When he gets to 6:00, Dave really gives us the good stuff. I have a driving clinic of his on my PC, but never published it at his request - in this video he covers some of the things he taught us here in New Zealand, and so it is truly great to see this information finally available to the playing public. However, viewers need to skip to the 6:00-minute mark to avoid having to listen to... um... untrue things. I love Dave as a player, and respect his talent and ability immensely -- and Dave is the greatest teacher of disc golf of all time, but he does not understand aerodynamic lift, and everything leading up to the 6:00-minute mark should be ignored. The real reason domed discs have better glide is that the distance over the top surface is longer than for the same disc with a flat top, and thus the air must accelerate more in order to rejoin the air it separated from at the leading edge. More acceleration and faster air means lower pressure in the acceleration zone, and hence more lift. And because the Glide Ratio of a wing is the Lift divided by the Drag, increasing lift a lot, while only increasing frontal drag slightly results in a disc with greater glide. But there is a point at which the extra drag of a progressively taller dome will negate the advantage of a dome. A disc never deforms in flight as a disc never experiences a wing loading which could get close to warping the plastic, nor does lift generate enough force to warp a disc in any way, in flight. Wing Loading on a golf disc never gets much above 0.5 grams per square centimetre; the weight of a feather. Any force which has sufficient energy to warp a disc in flight will result in the disc staying the same shape, but performing extremely radical changes in the flight path.
Yeah, the physics he used to describe the disc flight seemed a little off to me, but I'm by no means a physics guy. I absolutely agree though that his insights into the biomechanics of the throw and general knowledge of disc golf is unparalleled.
I'm sorry but your explanation is also incorrect. You suggest that air separated at the leading edge must rejoin at the trailing edge. This is the most common misconception people have. It is true that more domey disc is getting more glide because it is generating more lift. From this video you can learn how wing actually works: th-cam.com/video/w78JT6azrZU/w-d-xo.html
Step around the disc is when I kinda went...well crap that seems like it would be smoother than trying throw my arm back like I do when I attempt to throw.
That's the reason I love this sport no matter how long you play no matter how good you are you can always learn more...and in this sport you aren't playing someone else you are playing yourself...the will to be better the desire to do good the commitment to the sport all come together and create a well rounded sport that is inexpensive and highly asccesable (in my state)...thank you so much David feldberg lots of repetition between this and one of your other videos but still a lot of good points
So much good info here. It could take you years to figure out all this stuff on your own. Headwind advice is spot on. Someone told me a long time ago to throw stable and throw hard into a headwind. (Most people will still tell you to do it) Listen to Dave! Throw smooth keep the nose flat and maybe stable up slightly but don't expect to get big D by overpowering an over stable disc it's not gonna happen. (At least in my experience)
This was my first season playing dolf (my own term). I think I saw this clinic in the first month I started playing and, yes, I think it helped - but I didn't have the context to use your info well. Now, watching it again (the second L), a lot more of Dave's wisdom means so much more. I only hope that I haven't ingrained many bad habits in these last few months that need to be undone. I think if I could get a few lessons with Dave, it would really click well because I think we both have the same mental images and learning styles. Here's to starting something new after 50. The energy level and strength may not be there anymore, but the enthusiasm for learning and living sure is.
Love Dave's clinics, gives a great perspective on the science behind shots. However, Dave does have a different pull thru than pros like lizotte, mcbeth, eagle etc on a basic straight/hyzer flip shot. He pulls through right below his belly button, whereas the big throwers pull through almost through their pec muscles. He also doesn't get his elbow bent to 90s degrees. Its almost like 60 or 55 degrees.
You are correct. Dave has a so called swedish style technique. Not so common these days. Most pros today pull their disc near their chest creating a power pocket to maximize distance. Although you can throw far with both techniques, I think the bent arm has an advantage distance wise.
Totally agree with all of this. Great advice! I recently figured "the line" thing out on my own from practice and watching pros in tournaments and this is a KEY aspect to golf.
Mr. Feldberg, when are you teaching a clinic in Charlotte, NC?!?!? Please dear lord come to Charlotte and teach! Went from throwing 7 days a week outside and now work and season only allow a couple days and it’s horrible. I would greatly love to have a quality learning experience on a couple of those days instead of struggling to maintain so many bad habits. Anyhoot, amazing tutorial video, pleasure to watch and listen. Awesome, thank you!
0:00 intro 2:17 L.E.V.E.L. 2:43 Learn 5:50 Evaluate 6:29 Verify 7:16 Execution 8:39 Learn 10:29 question 12:51 throw on one continuous line 19:14 footwork 21:47 keeping head in place 24:56 cheating the turn 27:03 tempo 31:39 question: how fast at heel drop 32:53 question: head position 34:07 stick with it!
"You will get much worse before you get better" That is a key piece to take away from all of this. I know my form isn't perfect and I am missing a few key parts but I have such a hard time stick to it since I feel like my release is horrible and I can feel the disc traveling further but felt clunky. Hoping when I play over the winter break to try out this when I am just throwing casually.
That pullover is awesome. I wish more of the cooler clothing you see the sponsored players wearing was made available to chumps like me. The real key to a better game is to have your pullover game on point like Dave
6:03 "figure out where it is you wanna go in the game" I know what I want to do in the game, I want to crush my opponents. See them driven before me. And hear the lamentations of their women.....that's all
Ive seen a good amount of Feldberg instructional videos showing how to throw off of the tee with the pull thru, which is standard teaching for a disc golf drive. Just watched actual video of him in a tournament a few years ago, and when he throws off the tee he doesnt pull thru. He brings his arm forward in an arc shape, like throwing a frisbee at the beach. Whats up with that? Did he used to pull thru and cant now b/c of an injury or something?
I find that high dome discs take more power to throw then low dome discs due to wind resistance so I use low dome disc for driving and fairway for a lower power thrower, notice I did not say a true flat topped disc as those have no glide at all, I use these as the more domed disc needs more power so it will be more over stable then a Low domed disc. I do use more of this throw that Dave talks about as I have looked at how the pros do these types of shots. Simon Lizotte is being one I have looked at most as he is a smaller male pro compared to the others and I am 100% sure I am even smaller then him.
At 24:00 Dave advises to keep your eyes down, near your release point. This obviously works for him... But, watch many other top pros in slow motion. Paul McBeth, who has excellent flexibility, frequently keeps his eyes on the target, down the fairway.
FYI, Dave did not finish any accredited Master's program. He was awarded a Master's-level accreditation from Lane Community College. Though this seems like splitting hairs, I don't believe that Dave has completed any defined graduate level program at an accredited university. It annoys me that he continuously says that he has an official Master's degree.
RTproductions Rollin twenties I often wonder about Kevin Durant or Lebron James ripping a disc because it seems that height and length of arms attributes to power or how far you can throw.
great content but a little production value goes a long way towards bringing legitimacy to the sport and your speaker. dave is one of the best when it comes to teaching and deserves better than a dimly lit basement.
The plan was to do it outside with a bunch of Latitude feather flags and a nice green golf course backdrop- but unfortunately rain/wind storms ruined that so we had to use this disc garage at the course as the backup. Definitely wish we could have had a nicer setting, but hopefully the content still speaks true. Thanks for your feedback!
Imo the best teacher of disc golf!!
Thanks Dave Feldberg
Best teacher in the game. Feldberg forever!
One of the most helpful talks on driving form I’ve listened to. Just developed a new respect for Dave. Really thoughtful guy.
When he gets to 6:00, Dave really gives us the good stuff. I have a driving clinic of his on my PC, but never published it at his request - in this video he covers some of the things he taught us here in New Zealand, and so it is truly great to see this information finally available to the playing public.
However, viewers need to skip to the 6:00-minute mark to avoid having to listen to... um... untrue things. I love Dave as a player, and respect his talent and ability immensely -- and Dave is the greatest teacher of disc golf of all time, but he does not understand aerodynamic lift, and everything leading up to the 6:00-minute mark should be ignored.
The real reason domed discs have better glide is that the distance over the top surface is longer than for the same disc with a flat top, and thus the air must accelerate more in order to rejoin the air it separated from at the leading edge. More acceleration and faster air means lower pressure in the acceleration zone, and hence more lift. And because the Glide Ratio of a wing is the Lift divided by the Drag, increasing lift a lot, while only increasing frontal drag slightly results in a disc with greater glide. But there is a point at which the extra drag of a progressively taller dome will negate the advantage of a dome.
A disc never deforms in flight as a disc never experiences a wing loading which could get close to warping the plastic, nor does lift generate enough force to warp a disc in any way, in flight. Wing Loading on a golf disc never gets much above 0.5 grams per square centimetre; the weight of a feather. Any force which has sufficient energy to warp a disc in flight will result in the disc staying the same shape, but performing extremely radical changes in the flight path.
Yeah, the physics he used to describe the disc flight seemed a little off to me, but I'm by no means a physics guy. I absolutely agree though that his insights into the biomechanics of the throw and general knowledge of disc golf is unparalleled.
I'm sorry but your explanation is also incorrect. You suggest that air separated at the leading edge must rejoin at the trailing edge. This is the most common misconception people have. It is true that more domey disc is getting more glide because it is generating more lift. From this video you can learn how wing actually works: th-cam.com/video/w78JT6azrZU/w-d-xo.html
why should the air "rejoin" at the end of the disc? (it doesn't)
Woah, 31:15 "step around the disc". That's a new one for me. I always reach back consciously and think that might be robbing me of power.
Step around the disc is when I kinda went...well crap that seems like it would be smoother than trying throw my arm back like I do when I attempt to throw.
I put this to the test and it has shaved a good 10 strokes off my game consistently. Thanks Dave🙏
That's the reason I love this sport no matter how long you play no matter how good you are you can always learn more...and in this sport you aren't playing someone else you are playing yourself...the will to be better the desire to do good the commitment to the sport all come together and create a well rounded sport that is inexpensive and highly asccesable (in my state)...thank you so much David feldberg lots of repetition between this and one of your other videos but still a lot of good points
I missed this clinic.. so sad.. so happy the video is out.. Nice to see you again Dave. Hope to see you in a few months at the Utah Open
So much good info here. It could take you years to figure out all this stuff on your own. Headwind advice is spot on. Someone told me a long time ago to throw stable and throw hard into a headwind. (Most people will still tell you to do it) Listen to Dave! Throw smooth keep the nose flat and maybe stable up slightly but don't expect to get big D by overpowering an over stable disc it's not gonna happen. (At least in my experience)
WOW this is packed with gold
Man this is a great clinic, by far one of the bests I have seen! Thanks for sharing this.
This clinic has improved my game more than anything prior. Great content.
Thanks Dave and Infinite Discs for this! One of the best videos on improving your game I've seen in a while...
This was my first season playing dolf (my own term). I think I saw this clinic in the first month I started playing and, yes, I think it helped - but I didn't have the context to use your info well. Now, watching it again (the second L), a lot more of Dave's wisdom means so much more. I only hope that I haven't ingrained many bad habits in these last few months that need to be undone. I think if I could get a few lessons with Dave, it would really click well because I think we both have the same mental images and learning styles. Here's to starting something new after 50. The energy level and strength may not be there anymore, but the enthusiasm for learning and living sure is.
You are a genius, Dave! I realized so many things I need to work on from this video. Thank you Dave and Infinite Discs!
Enormous amount of respect for Dave.
Love Dave's clinics, gives a great perspective on the science behind shots. However, Dave does have a different pull thru than pros like lizotte, mcbeth, eagle etc on a basic straight/hyzer flip shot. He pulls through right below his belly button, whereas the big throwers pull through almost through their pec muscles. He also doesn't get his elbow bent to 90s degrees. Its almost like 60 or 55 degrees.
You are correct. Dave has a so called swedish style technique. Not so common these days. Most pros today pull their disc near their chest creating a power pocket to maximize distance. Although you can throw far with both techniques, I think the bent arm has an advantage distance wise.
This is by far the best video I have seen (I think I have seen most) on this subject. Now the hard part....applying it!
Totally agree with all of this. Great advice! I recently figured "the line" thing out on my own from practice and watching pros in tournaments and this is a KEY aspect to golf.
Thanks a lot Dave and Infinite discs!
Excellent info. Thanks Dave and sponsors. I'm going to be LEVELing up! :-)
Wow this video completely changed my perception of the disc golf throw. I have a lot more practice to do now.
Mr. Feldberg, when are you teaching a clinic in Charlotte, NC?!?!?
Please dear lord come to Charlotte and teach! Went from throwing 7 days a week outside and now work and season only allow a couple days and it’s horrible. I would greatly love to have a quality learning experience on a couple of those days instead of struggling to maintain so many bad habits.
Anyhoot, amazing tutorial video, pleasure to watch and listen. Awesome, thank you!
The best disc golf clinic video. For sure. Thanks Dave and ID!
Good stuff right there...more to come I hope
Amazing inside on how to get better at disc golf. Great job!
0:00 intro
2:17 L.E.V.E.L.
2:43 Learn
5:50 Evaluate
6:29 Verify
7:16 Execution
8:39 Learn
10:29 question
12:51 throw on one continuous line
19:14 footwork
21:47 keeping head in place
24:56 cheating the turn
27:03 tempo
31:39 question: how fast at heel drop
32:53 question: head position
34:07 stick with it!
Disc golf
A lot of meat on this bone, Dave’s clinics are second to none
You gave me advice at Riverside park in Grand Rapids and it has worked great. Thanks Dave
Priceless information
So much wisdom, now I shall go apply it
Amazing thanks Dave and infinite discs
My shoes and I feel attacked lol looks like I have work to do. Thanks for putting this out Dave is the best
Really great video, thanks!
Really great video. Well explained and easy to understand!
Great teacher, thanks
You're a goldmine Dave
Great advice/clinic!!!!! thanks Dave!
Thank you Dave for sharing this amazing knowledge
Amazing Video! Can't wait to suck and get better
25:50 Gold.
Thanks
i think im pro now after hearing that lmao
Great advise for all levels
Feldberg has always been awesome. I wish I would meet a Michigan pro.
Zack Maestas he is technically a Michigan pro. Raised in Kalamazoo.
We've got some solid ones in Tim Barham, Geoff Bennett, and Ziggy Beriekoven
This guy is so smart!
"You will get much worse before you get better" That is a key piece to take away from all of this. I know my form isn't perfect and I am missing a few key parts but I have such a hard time stick to it since I feel like my release is horrible and I can feel the disc traveling further but felt clunky. Hoping when I play over the winter break to try out this when I am just throwing casually.
That pullover is awesome. I wish more of the cooler clothing you see the sponsored players wearing was made available to chumps like me. The real key to a better game is to have your pullover game on point like Dave
Randy Bates Sporting goods stores have all the cool pullovers.
6:03 "figure out where it is you wanna go in the game" I know what I want to do in the game, I want to crush my opponents. See them driven before me. And hear the lamentations of their women.....that's all
Macky D lmao.
...seek...
...Psycho
Feldy, what is good in life...
I'm sorry; you want full contact DG, that's down the hall on the left ...
you just blew my mind. haHA
Ive seen a good amount of Feldberg instructional videos showing how to throw off of the tee with the pull thru, which is standard teaching for a disc golf drive. Just watched actual video of him in a tournament a few years ago, and when he throws off the tee he doesnt pull thru. He brings his arm forward in an arc shape, like throwing a frisbee at the beach. Whats up with that? Did he used to pull thru and cant now b/c of an injury or something?
I find that high dome discs take more power to throw then low dome discs due to wind resistance so I use low dome disc for driving and fairway for a lower power thrower, notice I did not say a true flat topped disc as those have no glide at all, I use these as the more domed disc needs more power so it will be more over stable then a Low domed disc. I do use more of this throw that Dave talks about as I have looked at how the pros do these types of shots. Simon Lizotte is being one I have looked at most as he is a smaller male pro compared to the others and I am 100% sure I am even smaller then him.
At 24:00 Dave advises to keep your eyes down, near your release point. This obviously works for him...
But, watch many other top pros in slow motion. Paul McBeth, who has excellent flexibility, frequently keeps his eyes on the target, down the fairway.
when will the clinic come to Florida next?
Is there going to be a part 2 of this video?
Yea, Feld is the easiest instructor I've ever heard. I play with the 3 R's system. Feld 4 life \m/
1050-rated teacher! More vids please.
got any cool looking vibram discs? yellow and blues get top priority but im open to anything
Did he mention he has a master's degree?
FYI, Dave did not finish any accredited Master's program. He was awarded a Master's-level accreditation from Lane Community College. Though this seems like splitting hairs, I don't believe that Dave has completed any defined graduate level program at an accredited university. It annoys me that he continuously says that he has an official Master's degree.
I wonder how far Bruce Lee would of thrown a disc
RTproductions Rollin twenties I often wonder about Kevin Durant or Lebron James ripping a disc because it seems that height and length of arms attributes to power or how far you can throw.
+2643 turn +7826 fade
he snapped punches so i would say 320 without the years it takes to throw 330...😑
Toastface Grilla ya maybe a 1-inch throw.. be like water tho right
RTproductions Rollin twenties Lop Sao backfisted thumber
great content but a little production value goes a long way towards bringing legitimacy to the sport and your speaker. dave is one of the best when it comes to teaching and deserves better than a dimly lit basement.
The plan was to do it outside with a bunch of Latitude feather flags and a nice green golf course backdrop- but unfortunately rain/wind storms ruined that so we had to use this disc garage at the course as the backup. Definitely wish we could have had a nicer setting, but hopefully the content still speaks true. Thanks for your feedback!
Yo Feldberg you gonna copyright this one too?
The background noise is awful! It sounds like traffic noise. Terribly distracting.
He is wrong.. just follow through the angle u want to throw on
Had to stop watching when he tried to explain lift.
Then you missed some golden nuggets.