And yet, doing so turned that into a trope. Shrek did it better, poking fun at fairy tales, but now that EVERYONE wants to do it? It’s tired, boring and LAAAAAMMMMEEE. 😤👎👎👎👎👎🛑🛑🛑🛑🛑
It's less that Hans is a terrible twist villain; it's that he was so in-the-background compared to the duke that it felt like a heel-turn at 11:59pm. As a sociopathic villain, he works. But it feels wrong to call him a good twist villain. I'd say he's average in that regard.
It is surprising how little recognition you are getting for these videos. They are all really well written, good editing and audio, and great concepts. It feels like I'm watching a video from someone with millions of subs. I can see you going places man. Keep up the good work.
As a kid, I was able to pinpoint subconsciously that he had to be the bad guy in a show(because of Anna going on her bizarre crusade with a snowman guy and a guy with a moose and by that logic her main character team was pretty much filled) But watching this video makes me see how much of a decently written guy he is really
I enjoyed the twist at the time, but looking back on it, I would've preferred him as a good guy since the duke could've easily filled his villain role.
This is a great analysis of hans. I've never liked him as a twist villain but you bring up intriguing points I'd never considered before. Now feel like he had the makings of a really good twist villain with just some iffy execution
What doesn't make sense about him being a villain is the dock scene is the little smile he have while no one but the audience was there to see it. It makes no sense to do
Like everyone else parroting this same talking point for the last decade or so, just because _you_ haven't figured it out, doesn't mean there _isn't_ a reason. He literally explains it in the movie. When he first gets to Arendelle, he finds out that Elsa is frigid, and essentially a dead end, and he's wasted the trip. _Then_ he bumps into Anna and she's so -DTF- I mean, get married, that he's actually genuinely smiling because he can proceed with his plan after all. It's not for anyone's gain, except possibly his own? At least it's not for the audience, who is invisible to him... he's not Deadpool.
My daughter is obsessed with Frozen so I've watched it countless times. A little detail I noticed in the scene the chandelier falls on Elsa, is just before Hans pushes the crossbow away from Elsa he glances up at the chandelier and even as he pushed it away it looks like he was deliberately aiming it. My theory is that he intentionally did that to make it seem like he tried to save Elsa but kill her at the same time.
I think in a way the animation in his body language and his tone of voice were quite obvious signs that he was up to no good. I feel like they could've made those aspects a bit more subtle, although it's a movie mainly aimed at kids so that's probably why he's very expressive. They could also get away with that by saying that Hans was just copying Anna's energy, to make himself more approachable for her. That would explain why he would just jump into a musical segment with her right off the bat. It's simple but effective! Great vid! I didn't really think much about his role when I first watched the movie, this made me want to rewatch it.
He was just so much a background character, to the point it kind of feels like before the twist but after his whole inside story with Anna, they throw him into scenes because they forgot he existed and then they throw him in to be there, and to tell weasel Town to sod off
@@Wendy_O._Koopa 'foreshadowing' is giving the writers wayy too much credit lol 😭 it didn't make sense bc he had his chance to just let Elsa be killed, which was part of his plan, which didn't even make sense to begin with bc having both the sisters killed off (while telling the people him and Anna said their wedding vows as she was dying...??) wouldn't even make him ruler of the kingdom. the throne would have been passed on to some cousin of Elsa or something. at least if Anna survived he would have had some status, being married to the queen. but whatever, this movie was never that deep, Disney was just having their twist villain phase where they think a classic evil villain with a clear consistent motive and plan through and through is no longer good enough and they have to do it the 'smart' subversive way. jokes on them, now they've forgotten how to write a classic villain even if they're trying to.
Finally someone made a video about how good of a twist villian he realy is. I kid you not, there are a lot of people on the internet who claim he is a terrible villian (in the sense that he is badly written), and they put him in the same package as proffesor Calahan fro Big Hero 6 who actually was pretty trash.
11:20, a point against the Theory, i'm pretty sure at the end of the film, someone mentions how Han's will be punished once he returns home, so his status is atleast recognized as legitimate.
yeah, a royal's genealagy and title would be easy to check. they kept track of that stuff, so hans couldn't be a nobody that just dressed well to marry a queen. his title would come up at the wedding
It was all there, yes. It is detected when you no longer believe in Disney's "romantic" love. But, like you said, We let it go because we're already used to that narrative, and we know what to expect. My only complaint is in the reveal. He went from being a narcissist to a classic one dimensional villain, instead of keeping the mask on, like a narcissist would, even if he is more than revealed and catched on.
Is he a bad written villain? Yes, he is so badly written even little kids point it out. One look at a history book can explain why he makes no sense as a villain (the duke makes more sense in many ways), even if that was not the case his backstory will tell you why (his brothers would have confiscated the kingdom). But the biggest is that the one who wrote the script for frozen is a well known man hater. All you got to do is look at all of Jennifer lees works, they all follow the same pattern of women good, men bad or men stupid or both. This is especially shown in wish where she tried to make Magnifico the bad guy but instead made him the only one who is good while everybody else is selfish. (Also Hans originally was meant to be a good guy but Jennifer Lee and Disney changed it cause they wanted to make sure Elsa and Anna were pictured as the good guys…. When let’s face it, they are not… in fact they are easily some of the worst role models out there for little girls)
Exactly. Jennifer Lee was the Kathleen Kennedy of Disney Animation Studios. She cares more about pushing an agenda than telling a good story with likeable and memorable characters. She's not an artist at all. Instead, she's an activist masquerading as such. It's beyond baffling how Frozen & Frozen 2, both woke movies, managed to do so well worldwide, while the other ones that she had direct involvement on such as A Wrinkle in Time, Strange World, and Wish bombed and rightfully so. She had proven herself to be highly-incapable of making and writing high-quality films. Now she's directing Frozen 3 & Frozen 4 with the third movie coming out on Thanksgiving Day 2027. She'll continue to push feminist and misandrist propaganda in both future Frozen films just like she did with the last two.
i was thinking that one of the main reasons Hans chose to betray Anna when he did was because he knew he had no true love for her and would be found out regardless. Maybe he had a well thought out plan that was interrupted buy the events that took place in the movie and as he decided to go with the flow thinking success was closer, he ended up losing because the sheer luck that put him in the position of power was actually bad luck that led to him losing it all.
He wasn’t even originally meant to be a twist villain or even a villain in the first place. I guarantee it and if I’m wrong then they suck at their job. They just decided to make him one after 90% of the movie was written. He wanted both the princesses dead yet he saved Elsa from the crossbow bolt, tried to prevent her from becoming a monster by killing the duke’s henchmen. With Anna he went looking for Anna and Elsa after she didn’t return after a couple days after going after her sister.
Most of the facts about Hans manipulation are true, but you mixed up sociopathy with psychopathy most of the time. As a true psychopath Hans wouldn`t have bothered with trying to win over the people of Arendelle with the charity or treating Anna decently. Most of his displayed trait fit more in the narcissist/sociopath-category. Also some of your stuff, just shows, that you didn`t do much research into the era ( 1840 ! ) Frozen is set in. Arendelle is a Kingdom, not just some town with a seaside-view. The duke of weselton wears gloves. The father of Anna and Elsa wore gloves. It was part of the (military-inspired ) parade-uniform most men wore at that time. Arguing that sideburn wouldn`t have been the trend is also wrong. Beside Christof ( who was raised by trolls and not veryinclined following/caring about being fashionable ) , most male ( background ) characters in the story have them too! Narcissist are very concscious about trends, since it is an important part for their deceptive mask and using the Halo-effect, by primping themself to please the eyes of others. Hans being just a con-artist is a nice THEORY, but that is it. He wouldn`t have been able to enter the ball as a commoner and claiming to be a prince, since all the people there would have been educated to recognize their fellow noble peers or the royals of other countries. Especially for Anna and Elsa it would have been a very important part of their education, since it is also connected with searching marriage-partners later.
I feel like Hans should’ve been the antagonist, but not a villain. I feel that he should’ve kissed Anna, and the kiss doesn’t work so in order to save her and save Arendelle he decides to kill Elsa.
He has to have been telling the truth because, in the scene where he leaves on it to die, he is admitting to the truth about himself. Why would he keep up his act about having brothers then?
Feedback: I think in points. I am a logical thinker, so if you can give me three Things to do to write a good twist villain, that would be great. Love your vids!
What's all this "we missed it," business? I've been saying this since the movie came out. I knew he was marrying her to become prince since the minute he mentioned his 12 brothers. I figured the "twist" was gonna be him trying to kill Elsa, not Anna... but he _technically_ ended up doing both, so I was still right. Anyhow, thanks for finally making a video explaining most of the points of foreshadowing, it's too bad most people will ignore it, but at least it won't be your fault.
not necessarily either disney or dream works, but I would like you to look at Shogo Makishima from season 1 of Psycho-Pass. The dude is, probably the best written villain in anime
He's not a sociopath, he's a psychopath. Trevor Phillips is a sociopath. A psychopath is incapable of feeling any love or empathy. Sociopaths are able to feel love and empathy for at least a few people, albeit still quite capable of killing others easier than the average person. A psychopath is a lot better at blending in with society and passing themselves off as a normal person. A sociopath is more likely to act erratically and be noticed. Every time you've described a trait about sociopaths, they've actually fit psychopaths better. The Professional discusses the topic frequently in regards to Trevor Phillips, Claude, and Catalina. He has a degree in law enforcement and took at least one course in criminal psychology. Great video, though.
Prince Hans and Chelsea van Der zee could have been written a little better like Hans could have been a ally and Chelsea mother Narrissa could have been the villain instead of Chelsea!
I knew he was the bad written villain when he decided to engage with Anna the day they met.
Really? Disney hadn't really done twist villains up to that point. I thought they were like Prince Edward and Gisele.
Frozen released to subvert the usual tropes from Walt Disney.
And yet, doing so turned that into a trope. Shrek did it better, poking fun at fairy tales, but now that EVERYONE wants to do it? It’s tired, boring and LAAAAAMMMMEEE. 😤👎👎👎👎👎🛑🛑🛑🛑🛑
It's less that Hans is a terrible twist villain; it's that he was so in-the-background compared to the duke that it felt like a heel-turn at 11:59pm.
As a sociopathic villain, he works. But it feels wrong to call him a good twist villain. I'd say he's average in that regard.
Agree, he's a well written sociopath but not a well written villain
It is surprising how little recognition you are getting for these videos. They are all really well written, good editing and audio, and great concepts. It feels like I'm watching a video from someone with millions of subs. I can see you going places man. Keep up the good work.
I laughed so hard when Anna punched Hans into the water.
As a kid, I was able to pinpoint subconsciously that he had to be the bad guy in a show(because of Anna going on her bizarre crusade with a snowman guy and a guy with a moose and by that logic her main character team was pretty much filled)
But watching this video makes me see how much of a decently written guy he is really
I enjoyed the twist at the time, but looking back on it, I would've preferred him as a good guy since the duke could've easily filled his villain role.
Totally agree. First time I watched I thought the duke was the villain, was confused when it ended up being Hans
Precisely
This is a great analysis of hans. I've never liked him as a twist villain but you bring up intriguing points I'd never considered before. Now feel like he had the makings of a really good twist villain with just some iffy execution
What doesn't make sense about him being a villain is the dock scene is the little smile he have while no one but the audience was there to see it. It makes no sense to do
Like everyone else parroting this same talking point for the last decade or so, just because _you_ haven't figured it out, doesn't mean there _isn't_ a reason. He literally explains it in the movie. When he first gets to Arendelle, he finds out that Elsa is frigid, and essentially a dead end, and he's wasted the trip. _Then_ he bumps into Anna and she's so -DTF- I mean, get married, that he's actually genuinely smiling because he can proceed with his plan after all. It's not for anyone's gain, except possibly his own? At least it's not for the audience, who is invisible to him... he's not Deadpool.
My daughter is obsessed with Frozen so I've watched it countless times. A little detail I noticed in the scene the chandelier falls on Elsa, is just before Hans pushes the crossbow away from Elsa he glances up at the chandelier and even as he pushed it away it looks like he was deliberately aiming it. My theory is that he intentionally did that to make it seem like he tried to save Elsa but kill her at the same time.
I guess Anna had to... "Let Him Go." 😅
I think in a way the animation in his body language and his tone of voice were quite obvious signs that he was up to no good. I feel like they could've made those aspects a bit more subtle, although it's a movie mainly aimed at kids so that's probably why he's very expressive. They could also get away with that by saying that Hans was just copying Anna's energy, to make himself more approachable for her. That would explain why he would just jump into a musical segment with her right off the bat. It's simple but effective! Great vid! I didn't really think much about his role when I first watched the movie, this made me want to rewatch it.
He was just so much a background character, to the point it kind of feels like before the twist but after his whole inside story with Anna, they throw him into scenes because they forgot he existed and then they throw him in to be there, and to tell weasel Town to sod off
1:29 it' still a dumb twist because, it came out of nowhere.
Or, you somehow missed all the foreshadowing, and you're projecting.
@@Wendy_O._Koopa 'foreshadowing' is giving the writers wayy too much credit lol 😭 it didn't make sense bc he had his chance to just let Elsa be killed, which was part of his plan, which didn't even make sense to begin with bc having both the sisters killed off (while telling the people him and Anna said their wedding vows as she was dying...??) wouldn't even make him ruler of the kingdom. the throne would have been passed on to some cousin of Elsa or something. at least if Anna survived he would have had some status, being married to the queen.
but whatever, this movie was never that deep, Disney was just having their twist villain phase where they think a classic evil villain with a clear consistent motive and plan through and through is no longer good enough and they have to do it the 'smart' subversive way. jokes on them, now they've forgotten how to write a classic villain even if they're trying to.
Finally someone made a video about how good of a twist villian he realy is. I kid you not, there are a lot of people on the internet who claim he is a terrible villian (in the sense that he is badly written), and they put him in the same package as proffesor Calahan fro Big Hero 6 who actually was pretty trash.
I’m not the only one who thinks he’s a good villain!
He's not though. All he had to do was nothing and he rules as Anna's consort. He instead saves Elsa's life and puts his plan into motion after that.
Ngl, the twist has already been laid out by one detail: Han's sideburn. Those are atrocious...
11:20, a point against the Theory, i'm pretty sure at the end of the film, someone mentions how Han's will be punished once he returns home, so his status is atleast recognized as legitimate.
yeah, a royal's genealagy and title would be easy to check. they kept track of that stuff, so hans couldn't be a nobody that just dressed well to marry a queen. his title would come up at the wedding
I'm gonna again propose to review Marlin from Finding Nemo as one of the best fathers in the animation history.
It was all there, yes. It is detected when you no longer believe in Disney's "romantic" love. But, like you said, We let it go because we're already used to that narrative, and we know what to expect.
My only complaint is in the reveal. He went from being a narcissist to a classic one dimensional villain, instead of keeping the mask on, like a narcissist would, even if he is more than revealed and catched on.
Is he a bad written villain? Yes, he is so badly written even little kids point it out.
One look at a history book can explain why he makes no sense as a villain (the duke makes more sense in many ways), even if that was not the case his backstory will tell you why (his brothers would have confiscated the kingdom).
But the biggest is that the one who wrote the script for frozen is a well known man hater. All you got to do is look at all of Jennifer lees works, they all follow the same pattern of women good, men bad or men stupid or both. This is especially shown in wish where she tried to make Magnifico the bad guy but instead made him the only one who is good while everybody else is selfish. (Also Hans originally was meant to be a good guy but Jennifer Lee and Disney changed it cause they wanted to make sure Elsa and Anna were pictured as the good guys…. When let’s face it, they are not… in fact they are easily some of the worst role models out there for little girls)
Exactly. Jennifer Lee was the Kathleen Kennedy of Disney Animation Studios. She cares more about pushing an agenda than telling a good story with likeable and memorable characters. She's not an artist at all. Instead, she's an activist masquerading as such. It's beyond baffling how Frozen & Frozen 2, both woke movies, managed to do so well worldwide, while the other ones that she had direct involvement on such as A Wrinkle in Time, Strange World, and Wish bombed and rightfully so. She had proven herself to be highly-incapable of making and writing high-quality films. Now she's directing Frozen 3 & Frozen 4 with the third movie coming out on Thanksgiving Day 2027. She'll continue to push feminist and misandrist propaganda in both future Frozen films just like she did with the last two.
i was thinking that one of the main reasons Hans chose to betray Anna when he did was because he knew he had no true love for her and would be found out regardless. Maybe he had a well thought out plan that was interrupted buy the events that took place in the movie and as he decided to go with the flow thinking success was closer, he ended up losing because the sheer luck that put him in the position of power was actually bad luck that led to him losing it all.
He wasn’t even originally meant to be a twist villain or even a villain in the first place. I guarantee it and if I’m wrong then they suck at their job. They just decided to make him one after 90% of the movie was written. He wanted both the princesses dead yet he saved Elsa from the crossbow bolt, tried to prevent her from becoming a monster by killing the duke’s henchmen. With Anna he went looking for Anna and Elsa after she didn’t return after a couple days after going after her sister.
Maybe the problem was that we already knew that the princesses were going to save themselves, so it struck many of us as contrived. Unfair?
Most of the facts about Hans manipulation are true, but you mixed up sociopathy with psychopathy most of the time. As a true psychopath Hans wouldn`t have bothered with trying to win over the people of Arendelle with the charity or treating Anna decently. Most of his displayed trait fit more in the narcissist/sociopath-category.
Also some of your stuff, just shows, that you didn`t do much research into the era ( 1840 ! ) Frozen is set in. Arendelle is a Kingdom, not just some town with a seaside-view. The duke of weselton wears gloves. The father of Anna and Elsa wore gloves. It was part of the (military-inspired ) parade-uniform most men wore at that time. Arguing that sideburn wouldn`t have been the trend is also wrong. Beside Christof ( who was raised by trolls and not veryinclined following/caring about being fashionable ) , most male ( background ) characters in the story have them too!
Narcissist are very concscious about trends, since it is an important part for their deceptive mask and using the Halo-effect, by primping themself to please the eyes of others.
Hans being just a con-artist is a nice THEORY, but that is it. He wouldn`t have been able to enter the ball as a commoner and claiming to be a prince, since all the people there would have been educated to recognize their fellow noble peers or the royals of other countries. Especially for Anna and Elsa it would have been a very important part of their education, since it is also connected with searching marriage-partners later.
Keep doing the good work! 👍
The only reason he would do that is if he made himself believe his Lie of a backstory.
His backstory is probably true. The best deceptions are often based on truth.
I wouldn't call him perfectly written, he's got his fair share of mistakes. But he is effective enough but there are many better than him.
Can you do writings of other Disney Villains and what types they are?
I feel like Hans should’ve been the antagonist, but not a villain. I feel that he should’ve kissed Anna, and the kiss doesn’t work so in order to save her and save Arendelle he decides to kill Elsa.
My sister told me he was evil before we saw the movie, so there was no surprise for me.
He has to have been telling the truth because, in the scene where he leaves on it to die, he is admitting to the truth about himself. Why would he keep up his act about having brothers then?
he also sings over her in the love is an open door song and louder
Feedback: I think in points. I am a logical thinker, so if you can give me three Things to do to write a good twist villain, that would be great. Love your vids!
What's all this "we missed it," business? I've been saying this since the movie came out. I knew he was marrying her to become prince since the minute he mentioned his 12 brothers. I figured the "twist" was gonna be him trying to kill Elsa, not Anna... but he _technically_ ended up doing both, so I was still right. Anyhow, thanks for finally making a video explaining most of the points of foreshadowing, it's too bad most people will ignore it, but at least it won't be your fault.
Omg you did it 💗
Nope, it was a stupid twist.
Yeah, i feel like he was a decent twist villain, but not as good as King Candy
King Candy was the best twist villain
I forgot he existed for a while in the movie
not necessarily either disney or dream works, but I would like you to look at Shogo Makishima from season 1 of Psycho-Pass.
The dude is, probably the best written villain in anime
He's not a sociopath, he's a psychopath.
Trevor Phillips is a sociopath.
A psychopath is incapable of feeling any love or empathy. Sociopaths are able to feel love and empathy for at least a few people, albeit still quite capable of killing others easier than the average person. A psychopath is a lot better at blending in with society and passing themselves off as a normal person. A sociopath is more likely to act erratically and be noticed. Every time you've described a trait about sociopaths, they've actually fit psychopaths better.
The Professional discusses the topic frequently in regards to Trevor Phillips, Claude, and Catalina. He has a degree in law enforcement and took at least one course in criminal psychology.
Great video, though.
Actually, psychopaths are marked by outbursts of anger. Sociopaths can't FEEL emotion. They're frozen. Toon is right.
Just to clarify can you do turbo the Snail villain
I was about to ask if you should have waited to post this on April Fools' but then you got past the intro.😂
Prince Hans and Chelsea van Der zee could have been written a little better like Hans could have been a ally and Chelsea mother Narrissa could have been the villain instead of Chelsea!
PLEASE MAKE A VIDEO ABOUT THE BEST DISNEY PRINCESS HEROINE! 😊💖👑
Ew gross, Frozen came out in 2013. I don't believe that.
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