I've seen alot of this growing up in Phoenix. All of a sudden one day, there wasn't any distance between all of the suburbs anymore. These machines were at the forefront of it all.
These pans remind me of the machines I ran in the Army. A 4 wheel drive tractor center articulated steer and a bowl that did all the work. Tractors made by Cat or Clark and the bowls made by Euclid or Westinghouse/Letornio
Thank you! You've answered a question I've had. I've wondered why nobody does that. It's always seemed to me that would be faster but in all the videos I've seen on YT no one does. We don't have a lot of scraper action around here so I have to get my fix on YT.
Scrapers have the push bock on the back for either a dozer pushing or another scraper pushing. A 657G is a twin engine scraper with ECM controlled traction control for very limited wheel spin. This makes both engines work completely in tandem and are self loading.
Believe me, you work your nuts off in a pushcat if you know what you're doing. You're constantly reading the grade and making a plan of attack to keep all of the scrapers going where you need to cut. All shifting and forward/reverse and steering is done with the left hand, and the blade is run with the right, so at times it feels like you're doing kung-fu in there to keep up. The pushcat can also do a lot of fine-tuning with the scraper as it's loading. It's great fun.
When we used to double-push the pushers used to leapfrog, that is to say that the one behind got into reverse whilst the first one was finishing off the push as the scraper was raising its bowl. He then buttoned-up first and the other went behind him, and so it went on, alternating.
Many people are being critical of the need for the push cats. This is a VERY common practice in road building /earth moving. There are several factors that go in to the decision to use them, such as soil conditions, how much earth is being taken at a time, and equipment on job site.. My Dad and uncle were with the big road building companies during the heyday of road construction and spent many hours eating dirt in the cabless push cats of the day.
My dad operated a 660 in the 60's, I recall that scraper when heaped holding about 54 yards if memory serves. Looked like it took those 10's about 45 seconds to do it.
Well Samuel Arnold, with hard or compact dirt such as this, most scrapers have rubber tires and don't have the necessary traction it takes to fill them. That is why all scrapers have the huge rear push bumper, for dozer assistance. In soft or loamy dirt, they can easily self load.
enjoy watching these guys work together, throwing hand signals, i.e. get the hell outa here. Ran some pushcat back in the day, lots of "trainees", hated hole diggers, hard on the back
Man that would have been cool to see on vacation. The biggest pice of iron I seen was a 350 excavator and a 40 ton haul truck while I was in California. By the way Santa Barbra is beautiful.
When my dad served in the Air Force in a civil engineering unit back in the late 60's, he talks about how they took the top off of a mountain in Korea this way to make a spot for a radar site. They needed to build it fast and on a level spot, and that was the most efficient way they could do it. It looks like a waste of fuel, but actually it SAVES fuel load for load!
This must've been during the construction of that retention basin in the dunes between El Centro and Yuma about 3 or 4 years ago, huh? Those old 660's are frickin awesome! Too bad there weren't any 666's out there. I wish I could've caught some of that action.
No, Laughlin NV. This was the decommission of the Mohave Generation Station. Obamas EPA shut down this Coal Fire Plant. Part of the decommission was to shut down the water pumps that drew water from the Colorado River. This caused the project to use city tap water for the project which blew the budget $100000 worth of water bills per month over a year. Isn’t the government great! This decommission was devastating to the surrounding area to which it employed thousands of residents!
Do you want to burn coal, oil, and natural gas until there is absolutely no ozone layer left whatsoever? When will you realize that climate change is real? Do you want your kids and your grandkids to be able to breathe and to enjoy their lives. You just don’t get what is going to happen if we don’t fix this now. There are actually children born right now that will die due to climate change. The Pentagon has rated climate change as one of the highest threats to our country. You can not keep burning fossil fuels like nothing is wrong. Wake up!
I'm pretty sure these are the largest single bucket scrapers made no? There is a reason they needa little help, they are moving a ton of material, and these units are extremely fast, can do over 40mph so it's a easy way to level terrain fast. Nice to see some of these old girls still working. Sounds like they have been repowered though.
651s and up are built for a 700hp D10,D11N or 850hp D11R to pushload them because they have the power and weight to do it.One bulldozer doing the pushing of 2.One of these 520hp models looks like it would over its head trying to push a 660B alone
The other answer you got was a poor one at best, so I decided to give you another one. timetofly08 was right in the aspect that there is more fuel than air; but, when a diesel engine is under a load the only way to get more power is to burn more diesel fuel. When this happens the diesel burns, turns into a gas(which timetofly08 was correct in that not all the diesel burns), and rapidly expands. So the more diesel that is burning, the more power basically. So the engine pumps in more fuel.
Try loading 26 heaping cubic yards in dump trucks in under 30 seconds and having the ground be relatively flat using an excavator its the right application of machinery for this particular situation.
+Walter Casol if done right the scrapers are getting loaded in under 30 secounds. Scrapers normally haul more dirt per shift then their counter part. Dont normally need a spread cat cause they spread there own dirt
D10 CAT ! oooo I LIKE those ! I'd LOVE to drive one. that's one serious machine. all those need is a full cab with heat/AC and your ready for ANY work in comfort. yeah, I'd love to drive one.
too bad the back pusher doesn't pull over to push first then the front cat waits till unit goes by to hook up saving a bunch of reverse miles and also speeding up production.
judging by the looks of the ground after a cut they definitely need help pushing. the tens are keeping up nicely, good and steady loading what 60 yards per pan, 6-700 yards an hour. if I had a 40' cut I'm still partial to off road trucks and s big excavator. looks like a money maker of a job though ha.
You have to love google messing up the reply feature (don't they wreck everything they touch?) Anyhow, in response to those asking about why you would use cats to load a scraper I can tell you it is simple efficiency (especially in very dry soil- clay loads nicer.) The scraper could drive for a mile and fill the bowl to nearly full or go 500 feet taking a massive bite and fill the bowl to overflowing and head off to unload. Watch how deep the operator drops the bowl and how quickly it fills. Yes, CAT makes a twin engine machine that load itself with a degree of ease (even then often they work as a team and push / pull each other.) And you can self load a single engine machine if you are patient and have some degree of skill... but while you self load and fill the bowl for the first time, the guy loading with a push cat will be making his second round... Which is more efficient? (Especially if the pushcat is working with a dozen scrapers.)
Ralph had some of the nicest equipment in the business but he was a pick if you scratch one some of his operators carried a can of paint I have seen Ralph chase a operator down the haul road in his Cadillac because he had scratch his rig I always thought Ralph was a idiot..
Cat 660s and 666s are not push-pull loading capable. When more than two of the the 657, 637 and 627push-pull scrapers are hooked together tremendous stress is placed on each of the tractor frame's single and double hitch bracket castings, leading to premature casting failures.
![[MEGA MACHINES] CAT D10T & 631G Scraper Fleet, COS A355, Kolbsheim, France, 24.07.2019.](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/eoiSafMG-68/mqdefault.jpg)
I could watch this all day. No sun, no bugs, nobody chasing you away.....and no skipping school all day to watch.........
I've seen alot of this growing up in Phoenix. All of a sudden one day, there wasn't any distance between all of the suburbs anymore. These machines were at the forefront of it all.
Same for me growing up in the 1980s in Gaithersburg Maryland with a lot of new development and heavy equipment leading the way.
Super video. The 660s are colossal machines. Make the D10s look small in comparison. The operators make it look easy!
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These pans remind me of the machines I ran in the Army. A 4 wheel drive tractor center articulated steer and a bowl that did all the work. Tractors made by Cat or Clark and the bowls made by Euclid or Westinghouse/Letornio
Thank you! You've answered a question I've had. I've wondered why nobody does that. It's always seemed to me that would be faster but in all the videos I've seen on YT no one does. We don't have a lot of scraper action around here so I have to get my fix on YT.
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Such a cool videos. I'm the guy on the push Cat with the white T-shirt and no vest or hard hat. Such memories!.....
Scrapers have the push bock on the back for either a dozer pushing or another scraper pushing. A 657G is a twin engine scraper with ECM controlled traction control for very limited wheel spin. This makes both engines work completely in tandem and are self loading.
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Thanks d6r and Jimmy for the info. Never ran a D10 but did some pushing with D9Gs
Believe me, you work your nuts off in a pushcat if you know what you're doing. You're constantly reading the grade and making a plan of attack to keep all of the scrapers going where you need to cut. All shifting and forward/reverse and steering is done with the left hand, and the blade is run with the right, so at times it feels like you're doing kung-fu in there to keep up. The pushcat can also do a lot of fine-tuning with the scraper as it's loading. It's great fun.
When we used to double-push the pushers used to leapfrog, that is to say that the one behind got into reverse whilst the first one was finishing off the push as the scraper was raising its bowl. He then buttoned-up first and the other went behind him, and so it went on, alternating.
Many people are being critical of the need for the push cats. This is a VERY common practice in road building /earth moving. There are several factors that go in to the decision to use them, such as soil conditions, how much earth is being taken at a time, and equipment on job site.. My Dad and uncle were with the big road building companies during the heyday of road construction and spent many hours eating dirt in the cabless push cats of the day.
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Great vid, takes me back to my old D9G days tandem pushing 631Bs in Western Australia.
Really great stuff keep it coming.
My dad operated a 660 in the 60's, I recall that scraper when heaped holding about 54 yards if memory serves. Looked like it took those 10's about 45 seconds to do it.
Nice scraper, fantastic scrapers 660. Congratulations! More 660 scrapers videos!!!
wow, even the bulldozer pushing the scraper needs a push too 😂
Those 660s are very beautiful machines...
no balls though
Wow! D10 push cats!! 660s from the 1960s!!! Doesn't get much cooler!!
Definitely speeds up the process. Looks like you get a deeper cut, because you are able to lift the back of the scraper. Fills that baby right up
Well Samuel Arnold, with hard or compact dirt such as this, most scrapers have rubber tires and don't have the necessary traction it takes to fill them. That is why all scrapers have the huge rear push bumper, for dozer assistance. In soft or loamy dirt, they can easily self load.
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enjoy watching these guys work together, throwing hand signals, i.e. get the hell outa here. Ran some pushcat back in the day, lots of "trainees", hated hole diggers, hard on the back
must be some amazing forces on the cutting edge of that scraper..
Ah yes, gotta love an open cab! Noise and dust all day long. Fun!
Those old 660's have surely paid for themselves more than twice over, that's for sure.
Damm those operators are good 👍and smooth they don't waste time getting on the stinger
I enjoyed this video way more than i thought i would
Man that would have been cool to see on vacation. The biggest pice of iron I seen was a 350 excavator and a 40 ton haul truck while I was in California. By the way Santa Barbra is beautiful.
wow 660,s that take me back to my theiss day,s , the larges of them all they use to wheel stand and you were looking at the sky
Watched every second. Awesome!
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Deermeyer os absolutely correct.I've run scrapers,and not getting a full can,will result in getting sent home....
We double pushed 630B's (a baby 660) with a D8H-46A and a D7F to be able to load them in the sand of Palm Springs. A long time ago..
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When my dad served in the Air Force in a civil engineering unit back in the late 60's, he talks about how they took the top off of a mountain in Korea this way to make a spot for a radar site. They needed to build it fast and on a level spot, and that was the most efficient way they could do it. It looks like a waste of fuel, but actually it SAVES fuel load for load!
The guy in the sec dozer is smoking a joint lol
Monotonous well coordinated effort.
I love those old 660s.
This must've been during the construction of that retention basin in the dunes between El Centro and Yuma about 3 or 4 years ago, huh? Those old 660's are frickin awesome! Too bad there weren't any 666's out there. I wish I could've caught some of that action.
No, Laughlin NV. This was the decommission of the Mohave Generation Station. Obamas EPA shut down this Coal Fire Plant. Part of the decommission was to shut down the water pumps that drew water from the Colorado River. This caused the project to use city tap water for the project which blew the budget $100000 worth of water bills per month over a year. Isn’t the government great! This decommission was devastating to the surrounding area to which it employed thousands of residents!
@@heavyequipmentsavage Ooh, thanks for the info! Yeah, it's frustrating how near-sighted and punitive so called educated government twerps can be.
Do you want to burn coal, oil, and natural gas until there is absolutely no ozone layer left whatsoever? When will you realize that climate change is real? Do you want your kids and your grandkids to be able to breathe and to enjoy their lives. You just don’t get what is going to happen if we don’t fix this now. There are actually children born right now that will die due to climate change. The Pentagon has rated climate change as one of the highest threats to our country. You can not keep burning fossil fuels like nothing is wrong. Wake up!
I wouldn't think he would. "New" footage of these is a good thing. That means that they're still out there working in 2012, instead of being scrapped.
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I hope they are paying the mechanics good money to keep those old 60's running dang!
I'm pretty sure these are the largest single bucket scrapers made no? There is a reason they needa little help, they are moving a ton of material, and these units are extremely fast, can do over 40mph so it's a easy way to level terrain fast. Nice to see some of these old girls still working. Sounds like they have been repowered though.
airbats801 these scrapers are 100% original, no repowers
No repowers! Die in Nevada maybe? ACI's still going th-cam.com/video/pHSEQzP8ruk/w-d-xo.html Notice Side Broads!
dat teamwork, honored
Mitzel has some bad ass Cat Skinners
I ran for Ralph and Jaun my old man bossed for Mitzel, Fulton, Aci, Messa
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651s and up are built for a 700hp D10,D11N or 850hp D11R to pushload them because they have the power and weight to do it.One bulldozer doing the pushing of 2.One of these 520hp models looks like it would over its head trying to push a 660B alone
thats love the vid of the old girls , that took me back
How bout finding video of DD9 pushing 666 scrapers at Anaconda Mine in the 60"s. That would be awesome. Thanks for putting this up, it is great!
neat video! you don't see tandem d10's pushing 60's very often. at least I haven't.
CAT is by far the best, superior engineering and quality support
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Well said.
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The biggest one I every ran was 657E. Twin ( push pull ) oil patch
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Четкая работа. Просто приятно посмотреть.
Operators are well experienced
No dought, my dad was a cat operater. And he said in order to be good, u had to be gentle when pushing
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Those 660 scrapers owned by Mitzel look like they were well cared for. Better condition than ACI.
I LOVE the dozer operators sign language!
The other answer you got was a poor one at best, so I decided to give you another one. timetofly08 was right in the aspect that there is more fuel than air; but, when a diesel engine is under a load the only way to get more power is to burn more diesel fuel. When this happens the diesel burns, turns into a gas(which timetofly08 was correct in that not all the diesel burns), and rapidly expands. So the more diesel that is burning, the more power basically. So the engine pumps in more fuel.
they are removing material which would be lower grade. they are taking it to an area to unload to stockpile or to raise grade
Nice work.How old are these 660s?
Try loading 26 heaping cubic yards in dump trucks in under 30 seconds and having the ground be relatively flat using an excavator its the right application of machinery for this particular situation.
A very efficient process for moving massive material. I do a small sideline for rural property owners with the mini ex and sometimes a tracked dumper.
+Walter Casol if done right the scrapers are getting loaded in under 30 secounds. Scrapers normally haul more dirt per shift then their counter part. Dont normally need a spread cat cause they spread there own dirt
more like 54cu
The specs say that Cat 660B scraper can haul 54 yards heaping..... just fyi.
Pushing one each other for increase the traction and thus move more material easily
These tractors are very hard-working.
D10 CAT ! oooo I LIKE those !
I'd LOVE to drive one. that's one serious machine.
all those need is a full cab with heat/AC and your ready for ANY work in comfort.
yeah, I'd love to drive one.
I like this one digging and pushing.
Those 660's had 660 horsepower, a big V-8. Lot's of ponies here doing this loading of the scraper, somethings got to give a bit with 2 D-10's behind.
too bad the back pusher doesn't pull over to push first then the front cat waits till unit goes by to hook up saving a bunch of reverse miles and also speeding up production.
They used this method when they had 3 10’s pushing!
Красиво и слаженно!
Nice and big machines!
This is in laughlin about a week ago at the power plant ,we got like 8 weeks left out there
Makes me want to get back on scraper again...
M Hoff sitting on a scraper was a nightmare. They beat you to death. I much prefer sitting on the dozer myself. Scrapers were for the young kids.
Wow, there are a big number of scrapers in this building. What is this road?
man i wish we had jobs like that where i live lol looks fun
judging by the looks of the ground after a cut they definitely need help pushing. the tens are keeping up nicely, good and steady loading what 60 yards per pan, 6-700 yards an hour. if I had a 40' cut I'm still partial to off road trucks and s big excavator. looks like a money maker of a job though ha.
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I would think if Kenny got footage of 660B a few years ago he would not have held back, my guess is this is as recent as the last week or so.
Taking those D10s for a ride but every buddy dose it different...
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I'll also mention, the left hand runs three levers in the pushcat, and the scrapers have automatic transmissions.
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Narley good work fellars
I miss those days. I am 80 now.
Big scrapers 👍🇺🇸
You have to love google messing up the reply feature (don't they wreck everything they touch?) Anyhow, in response to those asking about why you would use cats to load a scraper I can tell you it is simple efficiency (especially in very dry soil- clay loads nicer.) The scraper could drive for a mile and fill the bowl to nearly full or go 500 feet taking a massive bite and fill the bowl to overflowing and head off to unload.
Watch how deep the operator drops the bowl and how quickly it fills. Yes, CAT makes a twin engine machine that load itself with a degree of ease (even then often they work as a team and push / pull each other.) And you can self load a single engine machine if you are patient and have some degree of skill... but while you self load and fill the bowl for the first time, the guy loading with a push cat will be making his second round... Which is more efficient? (Especially if the pushcat is working with a dozen scrapers.)
Excellent answer, to an uninformed questioner.
Ralph had some of the nicest equipment in the business but he was a pick if you scratch one some of his operators carried a can of paint I have seen Ralph chase a operator down the haul road in his Cadillac because he had scratch his rig I always thought Ralph was a idiot..
I would see Ralph show up to this site always after hours in his 2 door Cadillac. He never stayed long.
Where was this video taken? Looks like the Antelope Valley.
This may be a stupid question, but do they purposely design equipment with protruding hard points like that specifically for uses like this?
I'm new to this and i find it quite fascinating...but my question is: what are they suppose to be doing there?
Cat 660s and 666s are not push-pull loading capable. When more than two of the the 657, 637 and 627push-pull scrapers are hooked together tremendous stress is placed on each of the tractor frame's single and double hitch bracket castings, leading to premature casting failures.
The 660B was produced between 69-78..
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most awesome job in the world.
Wonder how many bodies they scoop up each year.
Cat is always impressive
I could look to this kind of video during hours!
These dozers are very hard-working.
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these guys are moving fast moving the earth ,in a day they change the landscape earn their pay get the most out of the machines..
I wonder how fast they would fill with D 11's pushing ?
not quite as good as 2 d10s but would still do a good job
Like watching a ballet! well done ,, outstanding!
I see the same thing.
The straw boss would be so proud of this crew he'd have a tough time finding a hat big enough to fit.
So, what is going to be built here that requires so much material to be moved?
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