Great tutorial man !!!! I was stuck with my work flow for 3 days. I knew I did something wrong during the installation of the DeckLink Pro 8. I can’t wait to go home and do all this right.
I recently put the 8k Pro into a Sonnet Echo Express SE I Thunderbolt 3 enclosure, and it works like a dream! I highly reccomend this setup for anyone trying to do simple multicam live streams using apple computers
I'm so glad you pointed out the swapbetween inputs 2 & 3 on the Decklink 8k. I cannot undersatnd why the SDI connectors on the card go 1,3,2,4? If you try to open them as inputs in vMix in the order 1,2,3,4, it creates an error message. But open them as camera inputs in vMix in the order 1,3,2,4 and all is well. Bizarre.
I have just added this card to my vMix workstation to replace a different capture card. So far all seems to work, but will be soak tested thoroughly before heading out into the field!
I was wanting to know how you do instant replay. This explains the details of how you record 4 cameras and output 1 for replay. Great video and great information. Thanks.
Great video the one thing I have isues with my blackmagic design decklink sdi 4k exteme 12g is the audio it will not output on any of the channels and will not output on the fan out .
I found a bunch of these today at a recycling facility and decided to buy them all for $24 without knowing what they were because they looked expensive. (x4) Decklink 8K Pro, (x2) Decklink Duo 2, and (x1) Decklink Quad HDMI Recorder cards. Unfortunately 2 of the Decklink 8K Pros and the Decklink Quad HDMI Recorder card were damaged, but thanks to this video I was able to test the others and they surprisingly work. Had no idea they were so expensive!!! Will probably just resell them.
FYI @doug this will NOT do 2 outputs and alpha/key at the same time. This is directly from BMD. I wanted to change the use of mine and wasn't able to use it in that case. My current config is 2 outputs for Alpha Key (l3rd), 1 output for full screen graphics and 1 input. I was surprised when it works as an input in this configuration.
It's right on the box: "Built in high quality keying for overlay of RGBA graphics over video input, *or output of fill and key on dual SDI outputs*" You have to have software that will support it, like CasparCG.
yes you can, you have to choose sdi 1 inn/sdi 2 out instead of sdi 1&2 inn/sdi 3&4 out. Yes you get key/fill on both. It took me 1 year to figure it out.
@@djp_video I'm sorry I wasn't clear on what I'm saying. You CAN have 2 SDI conns for Alpha Key or 2 separate Alpha key outputs (4 conns all together) BUT you CANNOT have it setup as Alpha key (Key/Fill) and 2 separate outputs. You will only have 1 additional output. The last SDI conn can be for an input. I use this on ProPresenter 7 that has Alpha Key support.
I've found the blackmagic internal cards to be very finicky. I've tried their capture cards without success (a lot of issues). And I still own the mini monitor which just until recently always had a slight playback delay. The fix was to install the mini monitor in a CPU linked PCIe slot. After watching a video on PCIe slots I learned most of the PCIe slots on most motherboards are chipset linked PCIe slots. On my motherboard the only slots that were linked directly to the CPU were the two PCIe 16x slots. I'm not sure if installing the mini monitor in the PCIe 16x slot adjacent to my graphics card lowers the graphics card from 16x to 8x but I haven't noticed any slow downs and the mini monitor now works without delay. I don't know if doing the same with the capture card would have also resolved the issues? I also own Blackmagic's Hyperdeck studio which I love. Great device.
Did the Capture Video option disappeared from the Output tab in ATEM Switcher control?? V9.2 with UltraStudio Recorder on a Mac. The USR is visible and working in MediaExpress
one question, if i want to Record via Camera HDMI in 4K 60fps directly to my computer, what options i have? I just looking up some Decklink solutions I heard only Prores is possible to record directly when plugged in the HDMI on decklinks? I also want to monitor the recording on a Atomos and a Video Assist 12g via SDI is this possible if more than one monitor is not possible i can go from the Video Assist 12g to the Atomos as Loop right? i think the best for me will be the 4k Extreme 12G or maybe the DeckLink 8K Pro G2?
You mention at 7:02 that you can "capture on two (inputs) and do fill and key playback" at the same time, but I have not been able to get this to work. The only way I have found that key + fill is possible is to use the grouping function within the config software, but unlike the decklink duo cards, the only grouping option the 8K has is two groups of two ports. This works for key + fill, but as for the other input, it too is grouped. If you try to use both inputs while sending out key + fill, only one will work. The other is part of the "group," and just gives an error if you try to map it to another channel. I'd love to be shown otherwise, but I've been spending hours on this and don't see any other way to make it work. You can certainly mix/match tp taste if all ports are independent, but the only other options are to use the gang of four (8K mode) or two groups of two that you cannot separate in the software.
@@djp_video It's okay. it's logical to think that it would be possible since it was on previous cards. You just specifically mentioned it in the video, so I wanted to check. After leaving my comment, I saw some other ones describing the exact same thing. Unfortunately, I don't believe it is possible, at least with the current firmware.
the mini Monitor is 1080p30/1080i60 max. get the "4K" one, does 6G sdi Or get the declink mini, its a mini pcie card, does 3g sdi in and out at the same time, can be built in a laptop.
@@djp_video pcie gen 3 x1 has a bandwith of 986MB/s = 7.7gb/s you can put pcie x16 cards in x1 slots and x1 cards in x16 slots, only thing chaniging is the bandwith. Tb3 for example only allows for 4 times 8Gbs for pcie. So its like a pcie gen 3 x4 slot. But gpus, declink cards, ... run fine
I doubt these cards are Gen 3. Yes, I understand how all of that works. But good luck fitting an x4 card into an x1 slot. The edge connector is physically too long.
@@djp_video cou can cut the port open on the mainboard, some boards have open slots to fit longer cards. Declink quad HDMI: gen 3 x8 Declink 8K: pcie gen 3 x8 Declink 4K Extreme: gen 2 x8 Declink Studio 4K: gen 2 x4 Declink Quad 2: gen 2 x8 Declink Duo 2 /mini: gen 2 x4 Declink mini Recorder/Monitor 4K: gen 2 x2 Declink mini Monitor / Recorder: gen 1? x1 Declink Micro Recorder: gen 1 x1 Declink SDI Micro (1.5G SDI): gen 3 x1 (m.2)
Think we can put 2 of the 8k Pro Cards into 1 Sonnet Echo Express SEIIIe Thunderbolt 3 Edition (3-Slot PCIe Card Expansion Chassis)? I'd like to have a total of 8 in/out of our ProPresenter.
Good afternoon. Tell me please. task: live broadcasting at weddings, 3-4 cameras, Sony cameras 7s, 7III, 6500, we take the signal from them through the Blackmagic Micro Converter HDMI to SDI, and then it is better to start them on the ATEM SDI remote control or through the Blackmagic Design DeckLink 8K capture card ( or for example Duo 2) on a computer and from it to give a signal to the screen? Video stream 1920*1080, 25 frames
Thanks for your succint tech reviews. I have a question regarding blackmagic design pro studio 4k which I switched to a new cyberpower PC on windows 11. There's a resolution mismatch hence cannot use easyworship. My question is any idea of a device that can convert PC resolution for blackmagic to recognize?
Hi Doug. Thanks for covering these cards. Quick question - on the 8K are you able to configure a pair of BNC's as key/fill output and then have the other two configured as inputs ?
All four connections can be either inputs or outputs, so having two as outputs and two as inputs is no problem. In terms of whether two can be setup for fill/key, that’s determined by whatever software you use - whether it can output both fill and key simultaneously to two different outputs or not.
@@djp_video Thanks Doug. So when you group channel 1/2 as Fill/key pair outputs to BNC 1/2 you're still able to independently assign the other two channels/BNC's as inputs in the balackmagic setup software?
This guy does exactly what you’re needing to do… and it works exactly the same with the 8K Pro as with the Duo card: th-cam.com/video/b5pejU5YOXQ/w-d-xo.html
@@TheUnMarketingGroup I do not think this is possible, unfortunately. The choices for grouping in the config for the 8K card are not the same as the duo 2 card, and there is no "1 & 2" option while leaving the other two inputs freely assignable.
Help me please. I bought the decklink extreme 4k 12G, it only works on the first pci slot. I have to move the video card to the second pci slot and the capture card to the first pci slot. My motherboard is Asus x570 pro Atx, RTX 2060 Super video card. samsung evo 970 system hard drive and ssds for video files, 64GB ram and 850 Watts source.
Hi Doug, time is valuable and it may be me but I found this a bit repetitious regarding the ports and at the beginning slightly confusing regarding their capabilities. You did clarify that it was up to 4k in or out on each or 8k using all four in the end. I don't think a conducted tour of your server, interesting as it is, is particularly relevant to the subject, I think that needs to be a separate video. No doubt others will disagree! What would interest me very much is using DecLink cards to monitor HDR video using both HLG and PQ. BobUK.
To use a decklink card to monitor HDR, not all decklink cards are capable of supporting a color space wider than Rec709, and with the cards that do support it, you would still need a HDR capable monitor. Especially for the cards that only have SDI out, where if you want to connect to a monitor with HDMI inputs only you would need a SDI to HDMI converter that supports HDR metadata.
I haven't looked into the HDR workflow much. The 8K Pro supports it, and I have both monitors and cameras that will support HDR, but I've never fully produced a project in HDR from start to finish.
Hello, I'm late to the party but I have a question. Will this card capture the original audio (DTS, DD 5.1, AC3 5.1..etc...) or will it only capture\convert everything to Stereo? Thank you...
The DeckLink Mini Monitor can capture multi-channel audio if a decoded version is available on HDMI. It will not decode bitstream audio by itself. So the device it's connected to has to handle decoding to multi-channel if you want to be able to capture multi-channel. The video and audio also have to not be encrypted using HDCP.
Hi, can I use the deck link pro and let it serve as 4 additional video output? Say on the other end I have another black magic switcher that receives the input from the deck link pro? My use case is we are running propresenter program with multiple video output for different input to a BMD switcher
Yes, as long as ProPresenter can handle 4 outputs. The DeckLink 8K Pro would do that just fine. But if you're working in HD rather than 4K, the DeckLink Duo 2 will do the same thing for you. amzn.to/49ZltA9
That depends entirely on what you're doing. If it's just video playback, not so much. If you're trying to render 3D graphics in real time, most certainly yes. It's dependent on the software you're using and what you're doing with it.
Hello, excellent video, I have two questions, I do not have a powerful video card, and when playing videos in premiere in 4k it becomes slow, when having output through monitor link will I be able to visualize fluid? And if I add effects to the video, will I be able to see it fluidly? thanks for your answer
The DeckLink cards don't do anything to improve performance. They just add additional outputs/inputs to your computer. Your best bet for better performance is a faster video card (GPU), especially nVidia based cards. They're very expensive and really hard to come by right now, but there's very little else you can do to make things run faster without switching to proxy files.
Hi Doug...Nice explanation of the Declink 8K: pcie gen 3 x8 card. I have been trying to get Decklink duo 2 card for vmix but can't find one anywhere. I was wondering if the 8k card would work in a gen 3 x16 x4 slot as far as bandwidth is concerned. I don't have an x8 slot available. My 4 inputs would be 1080 only. Thanks for any advice you can give.
These work great in x16 slots. But I don't know if it would work in a x4 slot. The tech specs on the card indicate that it is an x8 device. I'm not sure if it would "slow down" for lower bandwidth video like 1080 vs UHD.
A blackmagic mini up down cross converter hd is connected to VU 100 tv through hdmi cable ,and the coverter takes sd-sdi input of 576i from a switcher's Aux out. But I usually experience an issue of the tv going blank suddenly and coming back on when the main power supply fails and power is driven from the battery of the online ups . Is it beacuse of the diffrence between sdi and hdmi interfaces ?? Or the difference between frame rate of the input video and the refersh rate of the tv .tv has 120 hz refresh rate. I hope you find me a solution for this
If it's cutting out when you're switching power sources, it's probably seeing a dip or spike in its input voltage. Try running it off of a battery pack temporarily to see if the problem goes away. If so, you could fix the problem with a capacitor or better quality power supply.
Love your videos.. i am planning to get one of 8k pro. Do you know if i connect the Decklink to an external Thunderbolt 4 enclosure can y share the capture card between a Pc and Macbook pro. Is this posible ???
Hi, I have two short questions: - Is it possible to mirror the input of one SDI connector to another without having to use any software for it? - Do I understand it right that you need to connect all 4 ports to capture 8k with 60fps?
The card doesn't support loop-through without any software. 8K does require the use of all four ports. Each port is 12Gb, and 8K requires 48Gb at 60fps.
Hi. Firstly thank you for the video. Just a small clarification, so when we say output , will I be able to use an SDI as an output similar to how the graphic card would give me an output via a DP port except here it is a sdi out? You now like would i be able to extend a screen like we usually do with the graphic card output ?
The outputs on this card are not general purpose outputs. You will not be able to show your desktop. It only works with software applications specifically made for it, like Adobe Premiere Pro/After Effects, DaVinci Resolve, or Final Cut Pro.
hi Doug.. what's your opinion on the decklink 8k for stability/reliability after using it for a few months ? any other stuff you like or dislike worth mentioning ?
It has worked well. The interface is a little confusing when trying to work in a mixed capture/playback situation, but once you figure it out everything works as designed.
It's this one ( www.newegg.com/black-istarusa-d-300-pfs/p/N82E16811165083?Item=N82E16811165083 ), but I don't love it. It works, but the layout is a little bit funky.
Hey Doug/all, Been trying to buy the decklink duo 2 but has been out of stock everywhere and we have been waiting for it to be dispatched for a while now...I've seen decklink duo 2 mini available and been trying to find more information on it but no one is really tslking about it What's the difference? Is it just the size? so can do the exact same thing?
They are different cards. Not only is the Mini smaller, and uses smaller DIN connectors rather than BNC, it is also limited to 1080i or 1080p30. It won't do 1080p50/60. I know it's more money, but you might consider the 8K Pro. It gives you twice as many inputs/outputs at 4 total rather than 2, and supports 4K at up to 60fps on all four connections. The Decklink Duo models are limited to HD-SDI (Mini) or 3G-SDI (Duo 2). You get a lot more card for your money with the 8K Pro.
Hi! I have a question regarding capture cards in conjunction with vmix. I'm an AV technician and I've always used video switchers. In a real-time event with a person talking on the stage to a large crowd and being filmed and the camera signal goes to the capture board / vmix and then sent a output to a screen in the same room will there be any delay? the question is do the capture cards take some time to process the signal or is it instantaneous/direct?
Yes, there will be a delay. The capture card adds at least a full frame of delay on ingest, the vMix software adds at least a full frame of delay processing the signal, and the output card adds about another half frame of delay on average. Software-based switchers like vMix typically add between 4-6 frames of delay, which is pretty visible. And that's on top of any delay added by the cameras and projector. Camcorder-style cameras usually add 1-3 frames of delay and the highest-end projectors add a frame or two. Lower-end equipment typically has longer delays. If you were, for example, using a Panasonic GH5 with vMix and a consumer projector, you're looking at somewhere upwards of a quarter second delay. For those of us that do IMAG like this, we usually avoid software switchers and go with hardware switchers like the ATEMs, which add less than a frame of delay from input to output, and then purchase cameras designed for live production. This gives us delays in the 3-5 frame range, which is visible if you look for it, but generally not noticeable to the untrained eye.
@@djp_video "purchase cameras designed for live production". We usually use Sony camcorders for live feed and streaming and the delay is very low. What camera are you referring that are designed for live production?
@@shem44 The cameras really made for live production are the ones that have full CCU chains available. But most camcorders can work really well if you don't need CCU functionality. What I meant by my comment is that cameras made for a film-style (cinema) workflow don't really work well for live production.
6K isn't a standard video format. It would have to be conformed to UHD, 4K, or 8K. But that only works for editing -- in terms of capture, the 6K Pro camera only outputs HD on its HDMI port.
It is capable of both capture and playback. Each of its four connections can either be used as an input or an output. Or, if someone needs 8K support, you link the four connections together as a single input or output.
I have this exact card in my vMix machine and I had issues with the card being unrecognisable in Windows without the power being connected. If it did find it, I would have signal issues in vMix. Not saying you will have the same issues but I hope that helps.
The power connector is not necessary for the card (AFAIK), I am running one in mine without it. But as Doug said, the manual doesn't say anything specific about it and you should ask BM support a confirmation.
@@djp_video I see. I have a full HD timeline (the raw clips are 4k though) and it was "cropped in" a lot and i cannot figure out where to change it. Going via hdmi on an full hd monitor.
You could in theory get an external Thunderbolt to PCIe enclosure, but you'd likely only be able to use three of the four connections on the 8K Pro due to the limited bandwidth from doing so. If you only need one input or output you should consider going with one of the UltraStudio products instead.
Great tutorial man !!!! I was stuck with my work flow for 3 days. I knew I did something wrong during the installation of the DeckLink Pro 8. I can’t wait to go home and do all this right.
I recently put the 8k Pro into a Sonnet Echo Express SE I Thunderbolt 3 enclosure, and it works like a dream! I highly reccomend this setup for anyone trying to do simple multicam live streams using apple computers
Is it work well with MacBook m1 air?) and do you know how i can do instant replay on mac from 4 cameras separately?)
Wonderful video, clear and precise as always. Thank you maestro!
I'm so glad you pointed out the swapbetween inputs 2 & 3 on the Decklink 8k. I cannot undersatnd why the SDI connectors on the card go 1,3,2,4? If you try to open them as inputs in vMix in the order 1,2,3,4, it creates an error message. But open them as camera inputs in vMix in the order 1,3,2,4 and all is well. Bizarre.
Excellent tour Sir. Your savvy with and passion for this tech comes across.
I have just added this card to my vMix workstation to replace a different capture card. So far all seems to work, but will be soak tested thoroughly before heading out into the field!
instructive as always...
I was wanting to know how you do instant replay. This explains the details of how you record 4 cameras and output 1 for replay. Great video and great information. Thanks.
I use vMix in combination with these cards for replay.
Great video the one thing I have isues with my blackmagic design decklink sdi 4k exteme 12g is the audio it will not output on any of the channels and will not output on the fan out .
I found a bunch of these today at a recycling facility and decided to buy them all for $24 without knowing what they were because they looked expensive. (x4) Decklink 8K Pro, (x2) Decklink Duo 2, and (x1) Decklink Quad HDMI Recorder cards. Unfortunately 2 of the Decklink 8K Pros and the Decklink Quad HDMI Recorder card were damaged, but thanks to this video I was able to test the others and they surprisingly work. Had no idea they were so expensive!!! Will probably just resell them.
That's quite a find!
Have you resold them?
@@danielmorrissey234 Not yet. Haven't gotten around to it.
Very good info... great card... Thanks Doug...!
Great video! Thanks!
Спасибо тебе мужик объяснил как работает карта захвата, в русском сегменте инструкций не нашел. А посмотрел твоё видео и стало всё понятно. Спасибо.
FYI @doug this will NOT do 2 outputs and alpha/key at the same time. This is directly from BMD. I wanted to change the use of mine and wasn't able to use it in that case. My current config is 2 outputs for Alpha Key (l3rd), 1 output for full screen graphics and 1 input. I was surprised when it works as an input in this configuration.
It's right on the box: "Built in high quality keying for overlay of RGBA graphics over video input, *or output of fill and key on dual SDI outputs*"
You have to have software that will support it, like CasparCG.
yes you can, you have to choose sdi 1 inn/sdi 2 out instead of sdi 1&2 inn/sdi 3&4 out. Yes you get key/fill on both. It took me 1 year to figure it out.
@@djp_video I'm sorry I wasn't clear on what I'm saying. You CAN have 2 SDI conns for Alpha Key or 2 separate Alpha key outputs (4 conns all together) BUT you CANNOT have it setup as Alpha key (Key/Fill) and 2 separate outputs. You will only have 1 additional output. The last SDI conn can be for an input. I use this on ProPresenter 7 that has Alpha Key support.
@@olenessaljosdal7506 See my replay to Doug above.
I've found the blackmagic internal cards to be very finicky. I've tried their capture cards without success (a lot of issues). And I still own the mini monitor which just until recently always had a slight playback delay. The fix was to install the mini monitor in a CPU linked PCIe slot. After watching a video on PCIe slots I learned most of the PCIe slots on most motherboards are chipset linked PCIe slots. On my motherboard the only slots that were linked directly to the CPU were the two PCIe 16x slots.
I'm not sure if installing the mini monitor in the PCIe 16x slot adjacent to my graphics card lowers the graphics card from 16x to 8x but I haven't noticed any slow downs and the mini monitor now works without delay. I don't know if doing the same with the capture card would have also resolved the issues?
I also own Blackmagic's Hyperdeck studio which I love. Great device.
THANKU BRO
Did the Capture Video option disappeared from the Output tab in ATEM Switcher control?? V9.2 with UltraStudio Recorder on a Mac. The USR is visible and working in MediaExpress
one question, if i want to Record via Camera HDMI in 4K 60fps directly to my computer, what options i have? I just looking up some Decklink solutions
I heard only Prores is possible to record directly when plugged in the HDMI on decklinks?
I also want to monitor the recording on a Atomos and a Video Assist 12g via SDI is this possible if more than one monitor is not possible i can go from the Video Assist 12g to the Atomos as Loop right?
i think the best for me will be the 4k Extreme 12G or maybe the DeckLink 8K Pro G2?
Top tier sir, thank you!
You mention at 7:02 that you can "capture on two (inputs) and do fill and key playback" at the same time, but I have not been able to get this to work. The only way I have found that key + fill is possible is to use the grouping function within the config software, but unlike the decklink duo cards, the only grouping option the 8K has is two groups of two ports. This works for key + fill, but as for the other input, it too is grouped. If you try to use both inputs while sending out key + fill, only one will work. The other is part of the "group," and just gives an error if you try to map it to another channel.
I'd love to be shown otherwise, but I've been spending hours on this and don't see any other way to make it work. You can certainly mix/match tp taste if all ports are independent, but the only other options are to use the gang of four (8K mode) or two groups of two that you cannot separate in the software.
I have to confess that I haven' tried that *exact* configuration so I can't confirm that it can be done.
@@djp_video It's okay. it's logical to think that it would be possible since it was on previous cards. You just specifically mentioned it in the video, so I wanted to check. After leaving my comment, I saw some other ones describing the exact same thing. Unfortunately, I don't believe it is possible, at least with the current firmware.
i HAVE WINDOW 10 But Blackmagic pcie studio is 16bit for recoring audio why? how can setup 24bit
the mini Monitor is 1080p30/1080i60 max. get the "4K" one, does 6G sdi
Or get the declink mini, its a mini pcie card, does 3g sdi in and out at the same time, can be built in a laptop.
I only have a 1x PCIE slot available. The 4K version requires a 4x slot.
@@djp_video pcie gen 3 x1 has a bandwith of 986MB/s = 7.7gb/s you can put pcie x16 cards in x1 slots and x1 cards in x16 slots, only thing chaniging is the bandwith.
Tb3 for example only allows for 4 times 8Gbs for pcie. So its like a pcie gen 3 x4 slot. But gpus, declink cards, ... run fine
I doubt these cards are Gen 3.
Yes, I understand how all of that works. But good luck fitting an x4 card into an x1 slot. The edge connector is physically too long.
@@djp_video cou can cut the port open on the mainboard, some boards have open slots to fit longer cards.
Declink quad HDMI: gen 3 x8
Declink 8K: pcie gen 3 x8
Declink 4K Extreme: gen 2 x8
Declink Studio 4K: gen 2 x4
Declink Quad 2: gen 2 x8
Declink Duo 2 /mini: gen 2 x4
Declink mini Recorder/Monitor 4K: gen 2 x2
Declink mini Monitor / Recorder: gen 1? x1
Declink Micro Recorder: gen 1 x1
Declink SDI Micro (1.5G SDI): gen 3 x1 (m.2)
nice video! and... nice knife at 4:48! wonder what's the model of it lol
It's just a Kobalt folding razor blade knife from Lowe's. Nothing special.
Very informative video, though it was a bit distracting having the camera focussed on the carpet, not the subject!
Gotta love Blackmagic Studio Camera auto focus.
This video is Top Notch.
Put PC specifications in description
Think we can put 2 of the 8k Pro Cards into 1 Sonnet Echo Express SEIIIe Thunderbolt 3 Edition (3-Slot PCIe Card Expansion Chassis)? I'd like to have a total of 8 in/out of our ProPresenter.
I don't think you'd have enough bandwidth to do all of that on a single Thunderbolt connection.
Good afternoon. Tell me please. task: live broadcasting at weddings, 3-4 cameras, Sony cameras 7s, 7III, 6500, we take the signal from them through the Blackmagic Micro Converter HDMI to SDI, and then it is better to start them on the ATEM SDI remote control or through the Blackmagic Design DeckLink 8K capture card ( or for example Duo 2) on a computer and from it to give a signal to the screen? Video stream 1920*1080, 25 frames
In my opinion, the ATEM SDI is the better solution. It's simpler, less expensive, and has far lower latency than going through a computer.
Thanks for your succint tech reviews. I have a question regarding blackmagic design pro studio 4k which I switched to a new cyberpower PC on windows 11. There's a resolution mismatch hence cannot use easyworship. My question is any idea of a device that can convert PC resolution for blackmagic to recognize?
Hi Doug. Thanks for covering these cards. Quick question - on the 8K are you able to configure a pair of BNC's as key/fill output and then have the other two configured as inputs ?
All four connections can be either inputs or outputs, so having two as outputs and two as inputs is no problem. In terms of whether two can be setup for fill/key, that’s determined by whatever software you use - whether it can output both fill and key simultaneously to two different outputs or not.
@@djp_video Thanks Doug. So when you group channel 1/2 as Fill/key pair outputs to BNC 1/2 you're still able to independently assign the other two channels/BNC's as inputs in the balackmagic setup software?
This guy does exactly what you’re needing to do… and it works exactly the same with the 8K Pro as with the Duo card: th-cam.com/video/b5pejU5YOXQ/w-d-xo.html
@@TheUnMarketingGroup I do not think this is possible, unfortunately. The choices for grouping in the config for the 8K card are not the same as the duo 2 card, and there is no "1 & 2" option while leaving the other two inputs freely assignable.
@@daltonrandall4348 Thank you. This is very confusing. I'd ideally love to have a key/fill output and have options for the remaining two connectors
Help me please. I bought the decklink extreme 4k 12G, it only works on the first pci slot.
I have to move the video card to the second pci slot and the capture card to the first pci slot.
My motherboard is Asus x570 pro Atx, RTX 2060 Super video card. samsung evo 970 system hard drive and ssds for video files, 64GB ram and 850 Watts source.
Hi Doug, time is valuable and it may be me but I found this a bit repetitious regarding the ports and at the beginning slightly confusing regarding their capabilities. You did clarify that it was up to 4k in or out on each or 8k using all four in the end. I don't think a conducted tour of your server, interesting as it is, is particularly relevant to the subject, I think that needs to be a separate video. No doubt others will disagree! What would interest me very much is using DecLink cards to monitor HDR video using both HLG and PQ. BobUK.
To use a decklink card to monitor HDR, not all decklink cards are capable of supporting a color space wider than Rec709, and with the cards that do support it, you would still need a HDR capable monitor. Especially for the cards that only have SDI out, where if you want to connect to a monitor with HDMI inputs only you would need a SDI to HDMI converter that supports HDR metadata.
I haven't looked into the HDR workflow much. The 8K Pro supports it, and I have both monitors and cameras that will support HDR, but I've never fully produced a project in HDR from start to finish.
Hey Doug! Thanks for the video. Very interesting indeed! Do you know if the Decklink 8K Pro PCI card will also accept a 3G/ 6G signal?
It does.
Blackmagic Design Decklink 8K Pro Cinema Capture Card ..can be install on Akitio Node Duowork without power? thank you
If you mean without internal power to the card, then yes it will work.
Hello, I'm late to the party but I have a question. Will this card capture the original audio (DTS, DD 5.1, AC3 5.1..etc...) or will it only capture\convert everything to Stereo? Thank you...
The DeckLink Mini Monitor can capture multi-channel audio if a decoded version is available on HDMI. It will not decode bitstream audio by itself. So the device it's connected to has to handle decoding to multi-channel if you want to be able to capture multi-channel. The video and audio also have to not be encrypted using HDCP.
@@djp_video Thank you for the feedback 🙏 Your help is greatly appreciated!
Hi, can I use the deck link pro and let it serve as 4 additional video output? Say on the other end I have another black magic switcher that receives the input from the deck link pro?
My use case is we are running propresenter program with multiple video output for different input to a BMD switcher
Yes, as long as ProPresenter can handle 4 outputs. The DeckLink 8K Pro would do that just fine. But if you're working in HD rather than 4K, the DeckLink Duo 2 will do the same thing for you. amzn.to/49ZltA9
@@djp_video thank you sir. One more question, do you need a powerful computer with dedicated GPU to be able to run the decklink?
That depends entirely on what you're doing. If it's just video playback, not so much. If you're trying to render 3D graphics in real time, most certainly yes. It's dependent on the software you're using and what you're doing with it.
@@djp_video Thank you very much for the response!
Hello, excellent video, I have two questions, I do not have a powerful video card, and when playing videos in premiere in 4k it becomes slow, when having output through monitor link will I be able to visualize fluid?
And if I add effects to the video, will I be able to see it fluidly? thanks for your answer
The DeckLink cards don't do anything to improve performance. They just add additional outputs/inputs to your computer.
Your best bet for better performance is a faster video card (GPU), especially nVidia based cards. They're very expensive and really hard to come by right now, but there's very little else you can do to make things run faster without switching to proxy files.
Hi Doug...Nice explanation of the Declink 8K: pcie gen 3 x8 card. I have been trying to get Decklink duo 2 card for vmix but can't find one anywhere. I was wondering if the 8k card would work in a gen 3 x16 x4 slot as far as bandwidth is concerned. I don't have an x8 slot available. My 4 inputs would be 1080 only. Thanks for any advice you can give.
These work great in x16 slots. But I don't know if it would work in a x4 slot. The tech specs on the card indicate that it is an x8 device. I'm not sure if it would "slow down" for lower bandwidth video like 1080 vs UHD.
@@djp_video Thanks for taking a look😊
Hello! Your pcie slot is a x8 ? I bought the decklink 8K pro but I just have 1 x4 pcie slot free..
Does 8k pro lag after more than 2-3 hours of use?
Nice video and thanks.
I haven’t noticed any. But I can’t guarantee that it doesn't exist.
A blackmagic mini up down cross converter hd is connected to VU 100 tv through hdmi cable ,and the coverter takes sd-sdi input of 576i from a switcher's Aux out. But I usually experience an issue of the tv going blank suddenly and coming back on when the main power supply fails and power is driven from the battery of the online ups .
Is it beacuse of the diffrence between sdi and hdmi interfaces ?? Or the difference between frame rate of the input video and the refersh rate of the tv .tv has 120 hz refresh rate.
I hope you find me a solution for this
If it's cutting out when you're switching power sources, it's probably seeing a dip or spike in its input voltage. Try running it off of a battery pack temporarily to see if the problem goes away. If so, you could fix the problem with a capacitor or better quality power supply.
Love your videos.. i am planning to get one of 8k pro. Do you know if i connect the Decklink to an external Thunderbolt 4 enclosure can y share the capture card between a Pc and Macbook pro. Is this posible ???
They can't be connected at the same time, but you could certainly switch between them.
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Hi, I have two short questions:
- Is it possible to mirror the input of one SDI connector to another without having to use any software for it?
- Do I understand it right that you need to connect all 4 ports to capture 8k with 60fps?
The card doesn't support loop-through without any software.
8K does require the use of all four ports. Each port is 12Gb, and 8K requires 48Gb at 60fps.
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Thank you very much, this really helps!
Hi
Will this plug into a Sonnet Breakaway Box 650?
It seems like it should.
Hi. Firstly thank you for the video. Just a small clarification, so when we say output , will I be able to use an SDI as an output similar to how the graphic card would give me an output via a DP port except here it is a sdi out? You now like would i be able to extend a screen like we usually do with the graphic card output ?
The outputs on this card are not general purpose outputs. You will not be able to show your desktop. It only works with software applications specifically made for it, like Adobe Premiere Pro/After Effects, DaVinci Resolve, or Final Cut Pro.
@@djp_video thank you so much for your response
hi Doug.. what's your opinion on the decklink 8k for stability/reliability after using it for a few months ? any other stuff you like or dislike worth mentioning ?
It has worked well. The interface is a little confusing when trying to work in a mixed capture/playback situation, but once you figure it out everything works as designed.
@@djp_video cool thanks.. one other thing, do you feel it's noisy ?
It isn't silent, but it also isn't loud.
@@djp_video ok thanks..
Would love to know which case you used for your rack mount computer. I am looking for one for my rack.
It's this one ( www.newegg.com/black-istarusa-d-300-pfs/p/N82E16811165083?Item=N82E16811165083 ), but I don't love it. It works, but the layout is a little bit funky.
Silverstone RM42-502
I know this is off topic but have you had any success with any of the blackmagic switchers handling/passing 4K HDR?
They will pass it just fine. But on most models it isn't flagged as HDR so you have to tell any display equipment that it's receiving an HDR signal.
@@djp_video thanks
Hey Doug/all, Been trying to buy the decklink duo 2 but has been out of stock everywhere and we have been waiting for it to be dispatched for a while now...I've seen decklink duo 2 mini available and been trying to find more information on it but no one is really tslking about it
What's the difference?
Is it just the size? so can do the exact same thing?
They are different cards. Not only is the Mini smaller, and uses smaller DIN connectors rather than BNC, it is also limited to 1080i or 1080p30. It won't do 1080p50/60.
I know it's more money, but you might consider the 8K Pro. It gives you twice as many inputs/outputs at 4 total rather than 2, and supports 4K at up to 60fps on all four connections. The Decklink Duo models are limited to HD-SDI (Mini) or 3G-SDI (Duo 2). You get a lot more card for your money with the 8K Pro.
Hi! I have a question regarding capture cards in conjunction with vmix. I'm an AV technician and I've always used video switchers.
In a real-time event with a person talking on the stage to a large crowd and being filmed and the camera signal goes to the capture board / vmix and then sent a output to a screen in the same room will there be any delay? the question is do the capture cards take some time to process the signal or is it instantaneous/direct?
Yes, there will be a delay. The capture card adds at least a full frame of delay on ingest, the vMix software adds at least a full frame of delay processing the signal, and the output card adds about another half frame of delay on average. Software-based switchers like vMix typically add between 4-6 frames of delay, which is pretty visible. And that's on top of any delay added by the cameras and projector. Camcorder-style cameras usually add 1-3 frames of delay and the highest-end projectors add a frame or two. Lower-end equipment typically has longer delays. If you were, for example, using a Panasonic GH5 with vMix and a consumer projector, you're looking at somewhere upwards of a quarter second delay.
For those of us that do IMAG like this, we usually avoid software switchers and go with hardware switchers like the ATEMs, which add less than a frame of delay from input to output, and then purchase cameras designed for live production. This gives us delays in the 3-5 frame range, which is visible if you look for it, but generally not noticeable to the untrained eye.
@@djp_video "purchase cameras designed for live production". We usually use Sony camcorders for live feed and streaming and the delay is very low. What camera are you referring that are designed for live production?
@@shem44 The cameras really made for live production are the ones that have full CCU chains available. But most camcorders can work really well if you don't need CCU functionality. What I meant by my comment is that cameras made for a film-style (cinema) workflow don't really work well for live production.
What if you're capturing 6K? with the Blackmagic 6K Pro? I don't find a decklink for 6K.
6K isn't a standard video format. It would have to be conformed to UHD, 4K, or 8K. But that only works for editing -- in terms of capture, the 6K Pro camera only outputs HD on its HDMI port.
@@djp_video -- now I'm really confused. The decklink is for feeding live camera directly into the computer, right?
It is capable of both capture and playback. Each of its four connections can either be used as an input or an output. Or, if someone needs 8K support, you link the four connections together as a single input or output.
I hear a 8k tornado inside.
HI, i can't connect the mini pro (YUV) to my RGB Eizo monitor. Anyone know a solution, converter? Can't find anything useful. Thanks!
Is there nothing in the menu for the monitor that you can change? YCrCb (commonly called YUV) is by far the most common type of signal for video.
@@djp_video unfortunately no. Seven different profiles but not that one. It's a ten year old monitor for graphic design. Thanks for your reply.
On the 8K: Do you really need to connect the 6pin connector or is just PCI enough?
I can't say. It's there so I connected it. I haven't tried running without it. And the manual doesn't say a word.
I have this exact card in my vMix machine and I had issues with the card being unrecognisable in Windows without the power being connected. If it did find it, I would have signal issues in vMix. Not saying you will have the same issues but I hope that helps.
The power connector is not necessary for the card (AFAIK), I am running one in mine without it. But as Doug said, the manual doesn't say anything specific about it and you should ask BM support a confirmation.
Can I use the mini monitor 4K on a full HD monitor too ?
If you're working with an HD source, or use the HDMI output rather than SDI, yes.
@@djp_video I see. I have a full HD timeline (the raw clips are 4k though) and it was "cropped in" a lot and i cannot figure out where to change it.
Going via hdmi on an full hd monitor.
What software are you using?
@@djp_video I figured it out. thank you very much for your helpfullness ! Cheers !
How do you use this with a MacBook??
You could in theory get an external Thunderbolt to PCIe enclosure, but you'd likely only be able to use three of the four connections on the 8K Pro due to the limited bandwidth from doing so.
If you only need one input or output you should consider going with one of the UltraStudio products instead.
@@djp_video I need three camera inputs. I just wonder why it says compatible with Mac.
It will work in a Mac Pro
Can I run 2 cards in a Windows system?
Yes, as long as you have available slots for the cards.
@@djp_video nice cause I’m running 8 cameras and I can run some outs for monitoring… also can I run a return audio up the sdi for camera man talkback?
Too bad useless pieces of gear to me as am a apple user. Would need that connectivity on my projects
These cards can be used in the Mac Pro.
Doug Johnson Productions yup but not on my mbp or imac (latest intel model)
@@TimoSund you can use an External thunderbold 3 pcie Express housing
I use an 8k pro with a MacBook pro in a thunderbolt 3 enclosure. Hence, works perfectly on a Mac.
Frederik Antenbrink ok new magc for me. Must take deep dve to tech section of local computershops.