What is the Demiurge - Pt 1 - How the God Yahweh Became a Demon
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- While ancient philosophy disagreed on many things, there was broad agreement that the gods were good and the universe a beautiful, divinely made home. However, by the 2nd century CE a scandalous, renegade position emerged that argued that physical reality was created as a cosmic prison by a demonic Crafter - The Demiurge. Variously known as Ialdabaoth, Samael and Saklas, the malevolent Demiurge was one of the core components of what we know call "Gnosticism." But how did this shift happen, how did the Demiurge become evil. In this first episode in a series on the Demiurge, we explore the earliest movement in this direction: (1) the origins of the Demiurge in Plato and (2) How the Israelite god Yahweh came to be demonized and associated with the Egyptian demonic deity Seth in the anti-Judaic polemics of the ancient world. Future episodes will cover the rise of Marcion and this Theology and finally a comparison of the various manifestations of the Demiurge in Sethian and Valentinian literature. This episode is collaboration with scholar and friend @m.davidlitwa - check out his companion video and subscribe to his channel for deep dives on Gnosticism, Hermeticism, Ancient Mystery Religions and early Christianity .
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Hi! This may be slightly off topic of what you usually do, but could you possibly do a video or some videos on Pleiadians and their purpose here on Earth and in the Universe?
Maybe even some of their spiritual abilities or practices!😊
@@keithsarty3039 If you're talking about the star cluster, he's referred to them in some of his videos that touch on Hermetic and Hellenic belief. As the cluster has significance to a lot of cultures there are lots of perspectives on them, Great Plains and Eastern Woodlands indigenous groups like the Cherokee and Sioux in particular have very interesting oral traditions centered on Pleiades. If you're talking about the alien race, they're an invention of the New Age and do not have any historical basis besides what's retroactively ascribed by believers, so I doubt Dr. Sledge would touch on them
@@flexplodin PKD really had an amazing mind, in light of recent events I read his article “Naziism and the High Castle” and it brought immeasurable peace and insight
Watching this, I couldn't help but remember "George Costanza Theology".
George: God would never let me be successful. He'd kill me first. He'd never let me be happy.
Therapist: I thought you didn't believe in God.
George: I do for the bad things.
"These pretzels...are making me THIRSTY!"
"It's not a lie if you believe it. "
"IT'S NOT WHAT YOU THINK! I GOT IT FROM THE INSTITUTE!"
"Hope is killing me. My dream is to become hopeless. When you're hopeless, you don't care, and when you don't care, that indifference makes you attractive."
“THEY’RE KILLING INDEPENDENT GEORGE!!!” Also, “I WAS IN THE POOL!!!!”
i was absolutely NOT prepared for the emotional ton of bricks that was the line "nostalgia is basically a form of depression" right out the gate
Only if paired with an inability to stop ruminating on the nostalgia of the past! Nostalgia is an incredibly important part of life for elderly people as they age.
That’s someone strictly moving forward.
Right? I never heard anyone articulate this in such a casual way. I've never heard anyone articulate this AT ALL. It's so obvious! I had always known this because I notice people in my family that always rhapsodize about the past when their present lives were so miserable. Also, notice how popular culture sows nostalgia as a sentimental summoning of the past? Fetishizing the past, really.
@Sab_MJsMama Wait until you find out what the 80s did for capitalizing on nostalgia! One contender would be George Lucas if capitalism went to film school 👀
Yeah...that statement kinda messed me up and forced me to stop and reconsider how often I revisit games and movies from the past.
When I was a teenager, my grandma accidentally ate a marijuana-laced brownie, then kept screaming about "Gettin' demiurged." Later I learned that she was part of an esoteric reading group in South Carolina back in the 50s.
🤣🤣🤣
Devil's lettuce.
"Hey bro, wanna meet up and get demiurged later?"
Your grandma is more metal than the thumbnail
I live here and the idea of some red neck upstate women reading about le epic demiurge is making me laugh.
"When God gives you lemons, you FIND A NEW GOD."
_- Powerthirst 2, 2007_
That's a deep cut! 😂
Picnicface dying was the end of an era.
Or you become the God you're looking for. All external God's becomes pieces of 💩 in the end
Narffet has autism and after seeing that I’m afraid it might be contagious
⚜️ PSALM 82:6 & JOHN 10:34 JESUS said "YE ARE GODS"
The thumbnail is metal AF
Thanks to Zdzisław Beksiński
Genuinely thought this video was about a Meshuggah song cause of it
@@vernaltear that song kicks ass
@@TheEsotericaChannel Such an amazing artist. couldn't bear to watch "The last family" in a single seat. a really sad and tragic story
"Demonic Demiurge" is actually an awesome band name if it isn't already taken.
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Demiurge made them do it?
So sorry YT is giving you crap. Ppl can spew all the misinformation they like with no consequences, but then they come after somebody actually doing their due diligence because of a few seconds of piano music. Smh. Pull yourself together, YT 👏👏👏
Exactly why I checked the comments lol. Something about that intro tune is booth soothing and intriguing.
Hope YT won’t trouble you about it much longer
Strike your own video first
Some have use this trick
Don't you think it's time, Justin? Isn't it time? Time for a doom metal opening?
Justin is one of the few speakers I have listened to that always notifies the audience precisely when the conversation goes from fact to speculation. And he also provides reasonable reasons for why the speculation is necessary within the context. And then he takes it a step further and gives the audience an idea of to what degree that speculation can be relied upon.
Huge thanks for that. Educators of all types should be taking notes.
I absolutely love the early years of the Yahwish/Christian divide in the Early Classical period. The wrestling match between traditional polytheistic beliefs, proto-monotheism, and the earliest notes of modern monotheism produced some truly wild dogmas
Leading to so much chaos in the world too. “A house divided cannot stand” -Jesus Christ
@@silentservant_ Behold the Split level home
Jesus- GET BEHIND ME SATAN!
Sometimes your sarcasm, Dr. Sledge , is deep and wide.
"The Israelites live fine after this; nothing bad ever happens to them later."
Epicurean Saturnalia inverter.
The darkest of humor.
@Judystroyer98768 I keep asking for proof and people just get abusive and try to gas light.
Still a major lack of proof. All they got is propaganda and photos taken well after alleged events.
@@bigultrafunny9751Ever heard of banks? Pure evil.
😆😆 He is very dry and holds his attempt to convey unbiased mythological scholiast works that when he drops sarcasm in without any nod or wink, it cracks me up.
As soon as you mentioned Donkeys I immediately thought "oh my god this is how we get Alexamenos" and I am flabbergasted. Never would I have expected this video to cover a synchretization of Yahweh with Set, but to then lead from there to that being the origins of the Alexamenos graffiti is such a wild ride.
I guess it was not on purpose, but your way of writing "synchretization" is very meaningful example of two different words synchronized into one syncretic word.
@@arturhashmi6281 Huh. I've been spelling that word wrong for like, 4 years now and literally never noticed. My brain has always inserted the h, and I didn't even notice difference in this very comment until I googled.
@@Ezekiel_Allium it still makes sense. good day to you sir
@@Ezekiel_Alliumlife be like that cuz that damn donkey! 🤣
As a puntheist I now have a strong urge (if not demiurge) to design a headset branded "Donkey".
Nostalgia can be a form of depression. It's a wise observation. But as someone who regularly throws N64 Mario Kart parties, it can also be pure bliss.
"I'm not a romantic and I think nostalgia is basically a form of depression" Never heard of this guy before and no idea what he's about but with this first line I am so in
I love how learning Elder Scrolls lore (men vs eleves in their worship of Lorkhan) really helps understand the concept of a demiurge.
What a grand and intoxicating innocence
One of my favorite quasifictional mythologies. Kirkbride is a strange genius.
Haha, yeah, I had the thought that the Altmer seem pretty Gnostic too.
Dark Souls lore gave me a great framework to work with for alot of mythologies and systems. Lots of symbolism too.
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I've always felt like the Demiurge is like the natural conclusion to the question of "why do human beings suffer?", at least in my mind it makes more sense than "God has a plan for everyone".
I like the idea too. But I mean me personally I prefer the "God isn't perfect" theory as to why the universe is flawed. That combined with a bit of Deism makes a good bit of sense to me.
@@DMCS1917personally my belief of god is that we are just mere playthings to him like a video game character choosing the people he loves and hate as he likes but hey I’m a Buddhist which is a religion that doesn’t believe in a god but one self
@@vannchansenany10d32 🙌
Yeah it still presupposes the presence of a never-before-seen alien being though. If there is such a creature it needs to be destroyed
From the Catholic perspective, God gave us free will. Awful things happen because humans are imperfect and have free-will. Humans will choose poorly or choose to harm others. The other side of the coin would be humanity without free-will or in other words slaves to God. But God doesn’t want a humanity who worships Him because they have to but because they are willing to.
Thank you for another fascinating dive into the depths of early Christian and Gnostic theology, Dr. Sledge. Your exploration of the origins of the malevolent Demiurge and its connection to the demonization of Yahweh in Egyptian and Roman contexts was both enlightening and thought-provoking. It's incredible how religious and cultural factors intertwined to shape these theological concepts. I'm eagerly looking forward to your future episodes, which promise to shed even more light on this complex and intriguing topic. Keep up the excellent work!
Exactly my thoughts!
“huh, this looks like an interesting video”
“aaaaaand there goes my evenings for the next week”
great work!
Finally, I'm gonna figure out what this Demiurge guy is all about. Heard he's been beefing with me for eons.
Or Aeons! Hopefully this isn't too dumb of a joke
Fr, I can't wait for him to come catch these enlightened hands.
lol. All of us in the realm of chaos.
He’s gonna be taking a trip to demiurgent care
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I love the use of the Beksiński painting on the thumbnail. There is something very fitting about pairing his work with gnostic discussion.
Agree! My favorite painter of all time. If you havent already, you might be interested in finding his later computer art. Seeing what he as a painter made using the tools available is fascinating.
Thanks for the name of the artist. I just looked up some more of his stuff and WOW! I love it!
Only guy I have seen who can make a dispassionate and intellectual video about these subjects.
Eric Dubay recently uploaded a video on the subject. It's essentially a summarized introduction to Gnostic theology for the layman.
@@MuffSplitter Intellectual was a key word there.
Religion For Breakfast is also a good channel.
I think this has been one of the most direct and juicy lectures that you’ve delivered in terms of the modern landscape of religious social consciousness❤
Thank you for everything that you do.
The best channel about occultism
Bobby Hemmit is great as well.
The Bible shows us signs of the false God, but it’s hidden. This world was created in 6 days, “God” rested on the 7th. 6 is a number of imperfection, unfinished.
@macthomas8899 Do you mean this as in the Bible is showing us that the God in it is false?
@@macthomas8899 Bro Panic as well 🙏🏾
@@macthomas8899 what the hell? Isn't it a perfect number being even?
Love your choice for thumbnails as beksinski paintings which perfectly sets the tone for the video which is interesting and yet haunting
This is great. One thing about Set. You can always count on him popping up in all sorts of weird and unexpected places.
Set just showed up in the last episode of SG-1 I watched last night.
@@JaxAndree I remember that episode!
Electric universe, Saturn theory.
He is almost as unpredictable as Anubis
❤ playing your intro music in my head. it’s still there 🎶
Came here to say this. IP pirate can't take that from us.
@@joshgrillo2482 Neuralink: Hold my beer.
Some musically talented Esoterica wanted to record some theme music!
Those pirates are the reason why we can't have nice things😥
I sat singing de de de...I was alone but the dog and cats seemed to approve
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My limited personal time due to work/life balance doesn’t allow me to deep dive into the subject matter you cover in your videos as much as I used to enjoy doing. I appreciate this channel allowing me to absorb information while roped in the mundane such as driving or currently, folding laundry, it’s through you that I’m able to continue pursuit of my interests
Me too. It’s tough to balance the logistics and necessities of a daily life with one’s true intellectual passions. TH-cam helps!
Fantastic as always. Couldn't help but think of that one bronze statue that was originally Set in a typical Ba'al pose that was retrofitted to be Amon (ears removed, horns added, neat hat added) as you were talking of the different "applications" of Set.
seeing "pt 1" has made me very happy. My professor of history in community college told me that he was fascinated by the gnostic view and I've only touched on it a bit, thank you for making the content that you do.
"Mississippi Marcionites" sounds like an ill-advised college sports team mascot.
I appreciate the irony of the subject matter more than ever after being told that " _Nostalgia_ is a form of _depression_ " by someone who chooses a career teaching such a specialized topic of History. 😉
This channel is sincerely the best single source of ongoing esoteric instruction in human history . I appreciate your dedication, your content, and the community of amazing, curious and sophisticated people who congregate here to learn.
Cheers!
This video, among so many others of yours, Dr. Sledge, is a fantastic and fascinating analysis of this subject. I absolutely can not wait for more videos on this subject and just about every other subject you cover. I love your channel and intend to make a donation to your Patreon to help in your continuing work. Thank you so much for your scholarly insights and impeccably astute observations on all the material you cover.
An incredible history lesson. I've read about 'gnostic' beliefs before, but never even thought about how they might arise naturally from the religious and cultural climate of its time and place
ב''ה, Euro-Slavic and probably Greek/Levantine gnosticism is what thinkers got to once realizing e.g. the essence of C_____ianity is just anti-Semitic genocide, and that religion's prophets promised plague and war for it.
Some of the things you say are hilariously brilliant. Thank you for your educational entertainment.
"...nostalgia is basically a form of depression."
"When God gives you lemons, God must be evil."
"Like Elmo on MDMA."
"I'm going to get donkey-cancelled."
And that's just this video alone. Definitely joining your Patreon to help fund the new intro music. 👍
I'm stealing the shit out of that Elmo simile
😂
Holey Eternal Omnipresent Greetingz cuzinz 🌠 ✋️😎
So, listening to this reminds me a bit of the teachings my dad passed on to me. I've forgotten some of them (you don't use it, you lose it), but my sister got married to a religious scholar a few years back. I was hanging out at their house after the reception was long over, and the two of us got talking religion. I spoke with him about the things I believe and compared them to the things my dad believed. After explaining what I could recall of my dad's teachings, he responded, "Well, if your dad was teaching those things to the masses, he'd probably be tried as a heretic today."
The biggest thing being the identity of God, so to speak. We refer to God as the Father, but God is also all things, so must also be a Mother. For him, there were two "sides" or "faces" of God and you prayed to one or the other (or both), depending on what you sought. For lessons on love, kindness, and patience, you prayed to God the Mother. For lessons on strength, guidance, and perseverance, you prayed to God the Father. To limit God to just a man is to reduce His power as a God, to shape him in your own image instead of you being made in your own.
I can see a bit of why that might be a touch scandalous and could be construed as a blending of more pagan relgions with Christianity. He was only a second generation American, so he was raised around folks from the Old Country.
However, he was, in my eyes, the most ideal Christian known to humanity. He gave everything he could for others, asked for nothing in return, was not outwardly bigoted, loved and respected everyone he interacted with, and was only ever violent in defense of his family. Even then, it was a last resort. If what he believed is somehow heretical, then who is the heretic?
Putting this as a reply because it's supplemental but outside the initial scope.
I've witnessed some interesting things that my dad was able to do. Some might call them miracles. Some might call them magic. I see them more as a mere extension of his own faith. "Truly, I tell you: If you had faith as small as a mustard seed, you could say to this mountain, 'Move from here to there,' and it would move. Nothing would be impossible for you."
My two oldest sisters were abused as kids by their father. As a result of this, they began acting out for several years before spending time in an institution. Before that stay, the oldest of the two poisoned and killed a kitten in her bedroom. It had been dead long enough to have gone cold by the time we found it. Instead of getting angry and yelling at her for doing such a thing, he knelt down, gently held it in his hands, and prayed. In front of all of us, he prayed for several minutes straight, chanting the same prayer over and over again. Suddenly, the kitten was alive again and returned to its mother. Grew up just fine. She was scolded for what she did, and that may have been the sign that the two of them needed professional help.
A few years later, my birth mother, whose immune system is made of tissue paper and hope, caught the flu. This was confirmed by a visit to the hospital to get her the needed medication to help her through it. While she was resting in bed, my dad sat down next to her, held her left hand in his left, placed his right hand on her forehead, and prayed. A few minutes later, she felt fine. Went back to the hospital two days later, just to be sure, and, yeah, she was completely cured.
I would get these massive, chronic headaches every month. They felt like a combination of a sinus headache, a tension headache, and a migraine. With my eyes closed, I could FEEL it if someone walked into my bedroom as a huge spike in pain. Doctors checked everything they could think to and found nothing. They figured it was some sort of extreme migraine, but I didn't have enough of the signs to conclusively say so. After two years of having them every single month, I'm in the middle of having one again. Through my screams of pain, I hear my dad say to absolutely no one, "I think he's suffered enough." He gets out of his chair in his bedroom, walks into mine (which causes that spike in pain), and then sits down next to me. He places his hand on my forehead, hangs his head, and prays. First, he gives the Lord's Prayer, and then continues:
"I pray that you take this pain away from my son and place it onto me. I will carry his pain, O Lord, so that he may suffer no more." He then repeated this over and over for about five minutes until it suddenly... Stopped. The headache was gone and I haven't had one like it since. It's been twenty years since then.
I was a bit afraid many years back to share that story with people, not because I figured it too embarrassing or too far-fetched to tell in mixed company, but because I felt like talking about it would undo the work. It would break the spell, the protection placed upon me. I've told it many times now and that doesn't seem to be the case. He cured me of who knows what it may have been.
I'm not asking anyone to believe what I've said here, but he's not the only person I've known to be able to do something similar. I don't remember the man's first name, but he went by Mr. Bishop. A fitting surname, I suppose. He's the grandfather of the best friend of an ex girlfriend of mine, and we met at his granddaughter's going away party before she shipped off to join the Navy. We first just had regular small talk, then he asked me if I believed in ghosts. Told him I've seen a few, so we swapped ghost stories, and then we talked magic.
I didn't tell him the stories about my dad at first, as that's not usually one you share with someone you just met. Instead, he talked about the times he's saved the lives of a few family members through prayer. He's not bringing anyone back from the dead or anything, but simply praying that they stop bleeding. A nephew in a car accident, severed femoral artery. Hospital was too far away and the tourniquet wasn't working properly. EMT told the family to say goodbye, but he prayed and his nephew stopped bleeding.
Asked me to take his card and share it with my higher ups when I was in the military. All he wanted was to help. Said to me, "You know, when I was growing up here, many people said what I could do, whatever it may be, that it's evil. That it's something given by the devil. But how could something be evil if I only use it for good? How could that be wrong?"
My great, great Aunt also did one thing similar. I never met her, considering she passed away probably 80 years before I was even born, that adds up. My dad, though, told me about how his sister was dying. She was completely pale, couldn't keep food or water down. The doctor was just giving her pills, hoping something might help. After a while, he gave up and told the family to say their last goodbyes. Instead, my grandmother called her aunt. She lived just down the block, so was there shortly, and walked into the kitchen. In Polish, she asked my grandmother, "[Where is the girl?]"
She responds, "[In her bedroom, there.]"
"[Close the door behind me.]"
Thirty minutes later, the door opens and my dad's sister is at the kitchen table, color in her face, happily eating dinner as if nothing had happened. Despite being 6 years older than my dad and having a twin brother, she outlived all of them. Her twin brother passed in his early 50's when his heart suddenly stopped. Not a heart attack, just stopped while he was on his morning jog. My dad made it to 63, and that's old for his family. Had a heart attack brought on my stress, as he was desperately trying to find the bankruptcy paperwork that was due in a few hours, unaware that he had likely deleted them off of his computer. She made it to 86 years old having died peacefully in her sleep, still living in her childhood home.
Doc Sledge, I can't thank you enough for this series, given my obsession with the Demiurge and all things "Gnostic". Just the perfect time (maybe orchestrated by the Demiurge himself?) for me to come back to following your great channel.
And Jesus asked, "If there were no other gods... of whom would he be jealous?" If you have ears, use them to hear.
If you have eyes, use them to heye.
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Huh?
@@Yahwe666 the Old and New testament made clear their are other gods
@@charlesreid9337Yup, it sure does. BUT, it never describes them at the same level as Yahweh. They are subservient to Yahweh, Yahweh created them and when they rebelled, he judged them in Psalm 82. The Bible attributes certain characteristics to Yahweh alone and no other god's. Yahweh alone is the supreme God of all god's, this is what the Bible clearly indicates.
I never thought I would be studying religion daily. You are a great teacher. Thank you.
Bro read you Torah correctly
Can you summaries whats all this about so is God good? Or are we all being fool?
@@user-jj3te5yo4c the question I'm also asking. As a Christian, I must admit, I'm confused rn. And have Paul's warnings ringing in my ear
@@user-jj3te5yo4cprobably not good or bad as we conceive, and I’d say so if you believe or rely on the systems present here
@@user-jj3te5yo4c I think the whole thing is it’s up to us to decide
I’ve been following this channel for a while now. Things really started to link up for me here thank so much for this context.
First time I comment because i want to say what an fantastic video. It was an entire paradigm shift for me. I have meditated on the topic since it came out and I cant wait for p2.
Thank you for all your meticulously researched and highly produced video essays. It is the cherry on top of my workweeks each Friday. You are truly a godsend ❤
Just yesterday I decided I needed to dive into the concept of the demiurge, long neglected by me despite much study. I scoured TH-cam and nothing jumped out as suitable for starting a serious study (gathering some sources and getting some insights to help on the way) and BAM, just like magic, our guy is here with a dream come true!
I agree. This is the overview of the origins of the demiurge I wish I'd had 24 years ago when I started studying gnosticism (as a hobby) 20+ years ago. 😊
Your first mistake was immediately going to TH-cam for serious study haha
Damn Dr. Sledge starting the year off with non stop banger videos
The inversion of the beneficent God almost sounds like Zoroastrian leftovers lol very interesting video, top quality as always. The name Samael is giving me Silent Hill flashbacks 😂
I love this channel and Dr Sledge so much. I used to crave for TH-cam “explained” videos to be truly in depth and researched on such topics as Esoterica tackles. This channel makes my existence existential… thank you sir, top drawer, top drawer.
Eeeeey, it's the crossover we always need 😊
Keep up the exceptional work, Dr Sledge 👏⚒️
11:14 I expected to have a great time with this video, even if I already knew the basics of this subject well enough. I didn't expect this explanation of Timaeus to be so succinctly beautiful and illuminating.
Only discovered the channel a couple of months ago but have greatly enjoyed all the videos I’ve watched! Can’t wait to watch more!
Yahweh seems to be worshipped all over the world in different forms.
In the American south we worship him as y'allweh
@@TheEsotericaChannelBah dump tiss!
@@TheEsotericaChannel ... Oh that's terrible!
@@TheEsotericaChannel Bwahahahahaha good one! 🤣
Allah is also Demiurgos
I've never been more hyped to click on a video, and it's only part 1.... bro is cooking
I love your videos, they always command attention and are not for the casual listener. Keep up the excellent work.
What a Sunday! Only just found the channel and looking through the video backlog, I'm excited to have so many to go through. Anyway, here's a comment for the algorithm gods. May they find you still deserving of much more love and discovery.
Been waiting for you to cover this topic!!!!
Esoterica is one of the best treasures on you-tube! Thank You for your content and I hope people find enlightenment in knowledge as I have with you!
Esoterica is a true gift!
It’s total BS.
The concept of a Demiurge has fascinated me ever since I discovered what is may be. I'm enthusiastic that you're covering this not-well-known topic.
Doc is really droppin some Bangers of late!
"... I think that nostalgia is basically a form of depression..." That genuinely made me laugh out loud. It's so true though, nostalgia is overrated. The worst part is that, regardless of whether it's a longing for one's own past or an historical period, the era was almost never as good as one remembers/imagines it. I know there are points from my own life, like my early 20s, I sometimes catch myself thinking that I should've appreciated it more in the moment - which, don't get me wrong, is something we should always try to do - but then when I really think about it, maybe the reason I didn't enjoy it as much as I think my rose-tinted memory warrants is because I'm leaving out all the boring stuff, the shitty parts, and the insecurities of that period of my life. I'm much more grounded and secure in my own opinion of myself at 32 and had yet to encounter, like most people of that age, the key life lessons or cultivated the (dare I say) wisdom necessary to have appreciated it more "in the moment." Instead of focusing on that bitter-sweet vision of a past that probably never actually existed, all I can do is try to focus on the present and appreciate and take advantage of the ways in which I've grown since my younger years, knowing that I'll be tempted in another decade to over sentimentalize my current life.
Now that your Chopin is muted you should find some black metal band to let you use a sample
I vote Leviathan or Lurker Of Chalice!
Apocalypse Orchestra would do the theme justice I think
I'm a Muslim Israeli from Iraq, I appreciate your knowledge big brother, may god bless you and keep you safe from the evil of this world
Morning coffee tastes much better with your videos, thank you Dr. Sledge!
Also try butter, though. Allegedly it makes you bulletproof.
Oh man this episode was fantastic! I'm so excited to go down this journey with you!!
That music-less opening has triggered my rage. Frikkin YT
You and me both.
@@TheEsotericaChannel Know anyone who could play a version of it on electric guitar?
Is it a copyright problem or what?
@@mladendjukic1061 Look for the main comment from OP and community channel post on the topic. False copy strike, more or less.
@@Singe0255 Got it. Thanks
I was so stoked to see you started this series, learning the spiteful origions of the exodus and the demiurge has made my day for real lmfao
Hands down my favourite Esoterica video so far. Cannot wait for part 2! ❤
Very happy to see a video on this topic that I've been interested in for a while from an academic source like yourself!
I always saw later gnosticism as the only theologically sound 'offshoot' of christianity that logically explained the separation in personality and attitude between the god of the old and new testaments. It was very interesting to learn that the theory and idea predated jesus and many of the theories that come up when one does surface level research on the philosophy.
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I think this might be one of your best episodes yet!
I always put these videos on when I can’t sleep and end up waking up and fully paying attention. Esoterica is one of the rare professors that actually doesn’t put me to sleep.
Dr. Justin, you and Filip are my favorites. This presentation in particular was superlatively excellent. Todah.
I appreciate especially your wonderful sense of humor. I laughed throughout the whole blessed thing.
always a good day when esoterica uploads
As a Christian this idea never bothered me as it doesn’t replace the question of who/what God/source is. As the demiurge seemingly was building from pre existing clay.
Well the point of the gnostic demiurge is that he imprisons people's soul in matter so the supreme god becomes hidden and remote. IOW prayer won't work unless you either renounce the material world (including your body) or totally immerse yourself in its vileness and expose yourself to its filth (and do everything that god forbids to escape the world that way).
@@JerehmiaBoaz Greasing yourself up with sin so you can slip-and-slide back to the Pleroma is quite the visual
@@Lund.Jdemiurge trapped you in your physical body to be reincarnated and endlessly trapped in flesh...
@@theeccentrictripper3863🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
“Like Elmo on MDMA”
I just stumbled upon this video while looking for a way to pass time and I’m now hooked. I dont really know much about esoteric history, but this is looking like a great maze to get lost into. Thank you for your work!
A technical note--please move your on screen text UP the screen and out of the way of subtitles!! I keep having to turn the subs off to be able to read your notes at the bottom of the screen. I really enjoy your content, keep up the good work!
Won't have time to listen till later, but I just know you're gonna knock it outa the park, as you always do with the Gnostic dives.
Even without the intro music, it just plays in my head anyway.
Brilliant work! I finally ordered a tshirt from your shop! Love your delivery and well thought out presentation.
Thank you for finally referencing me, the hidden Schopenhaurian in the dark who watches your videos daily. It's good to feel appreciated.
The new theme song is so metal! Sorry TH-cam is failing you. Your content is sublime...
"I think therefore I am". My answer: " You better think again sunshine." Gotta love it. Keep going Justin! Get it!
Praise be! Everything in the universe is aspect of Elohim.
I'm of the belief that Descartes has it backwards.
It's not "I think therefore I am"
It's "I am, therefore I think"
I think therefore I think.
I play it safe therefore I play it safe.
Love the videos Justin, I will always keep coming back for your well laid out explanations, a suggestion that I think would make your videos preform a bit better with views though, please put a little bit of background music in there, maybe get your channel it's own little 30 second theme or something and have some calm royalty free music in the background, I think it would add a nice little something to an already great presentation 👍
Loved the New episode! Sorry about the music in your intro. Keep being amazing.
This is one of my all-time favorite discussions right here. Love this channel and its discussion on Gnosticism. Is God evil? That leads to debates and questions that many thinkers throughout history asked, and are still asked to this day. Did the Ancient Greeks see Zeus or Apollo as good when they are not raping mortal women or forcing tragic heroes to push a rock up a hill for all eternity? I have been asking myself those gnostic questions since I was a little kid growing up in the 90s. And thinking about it now with the 90s being the decade of Edge and Angst. I was exposed to a lot of Gnostic themes that asked those same questions in pop culture and the underground. Those questions and themes were found in a lot of heavy metal, industrial, and goth music that I was exposed to, and fell in love with heavy dark music. I listened to all genres of metal and dark music within that decade and within the first two years of the new millennium. Listening to records from Nine Inch Nails, Feilds of the Nephilim, had those gnostic themes in their songs. Even though Trent was likely singing about what he was going through at the time. Every Nine Inch Nails record, from Pretty Hate Machine, all the way up to With Teeth, played this story in my head telling about God being evil, and it made me deeply question how can we trust in the divine? Even though Trent was most likely writing about his issues at the time and used maybe gnostic language as a metaphor for his drug addiction at the time, it's just that is how every one of those songs spoke to me. Listening to darker music and various metal bands made that question grow louder as I got older. My favorite Slayer album of all time is God Hates Us All, if that title alone doesn't say Demiurge, then I don't know what is. It wasn't just music that made me ask those questions at a young age. Other mediums came to me as well. My favorite comic book reading in the '90s and early 2000s was Spawn, and I loved the HBO Cartoon as well, those mediums were heavily gnostic times two, where Todd Mcfarlene would lay out that both God and the Devil are equally evil, both are megalomaniacs, and both have malevolent intentions for humanity. Some of those themes were found in some of my favorite Video Game series such as the Silent Hill games, and my all-time favorite Video Game series Legacy of Kain, heavily gnostic-inspired there. And even Demiurgic Gnosticism can be found in popular Japanese manga and anime such as the Beserk series. As the decades go by, that question still lingers there and has gotten louder and louder in my subconscious. Gnosticism is not just found in music, video games, and some of my favorite horror literature written by writers such as Lovecraft, King, and Barker. It's also in Fantasy as well. Even though Tolkien was a devout Catholic, the gnostic philosophy of the Demiurge did have an effect on his writing. It has even been on the minds of many brilliant minds in the world of science. When Charles Darwin was exploring the Galapagos Islands while developing the groundwork for the theory of evolution. He would observe various species of insects whose whole reproductive life cycle is to find a living host to lay their eggs in, and that host dies a horrible death by being eaten alive from the inside out by hundreds of larvae. His observations of the immense cruelty found in nature made Darwin question the morality of a benevolent God. I also find it fascinating that the themes of Gnosticism with life being a prison and a demurge have some similarities with Buddhism with the Wheel of Samara. Where Buddhism, states reincarnation is a prison, and through the core teachings of Buddhism, one can find escape from the cycle of birth, death, and rebirth. And seeing those paintings of the Wheel of Samsara or Wheel of Rebirth which shows the wheel is held by a Yama Demon or lord of death who holds the wheel in full control does have some Demiurgic similarities, and since the discussion in one previous video about the discovery of Buddhists living in ancient Egypt was fascinating and made me wonder. Could some Buddhist beliefs have some effect on Gnostic Demiurgic philosophy in the same way Zoroastrianism had its effect on Judaism, Christianity, and Islam? The gnostic debate about the morality of a creator god has always fascinated me and inspired me to put in my fantasy stories and horror stories as well. It is a gold mine for creative writing, and I always think about Demiurgic Gnosticism when I go back to my favorite bible story about the Prophet Elisha, where a bunch of kids makes fun of Elisha's bald head, and Yahweh decides to punish the kid by having them getting mauled to death by she bears. Not only does it make God act malevolent in that story over something so childish, but it makes God petty, and insecure. I guess the creator was thinning on his crown and didn't want to be reminded through his glory boy and knew that rogain was not going to be invented until much later. God decides to teach a bunch of little kids a valuable lesson in making fun of male pattern baldness. Behind the pages of holy scripture, the foundations of a Demiurge are always closer than one notices and can give a storyteller a lot of material in horror, fantasy, and even science fiction. Love this episode, and can't wait for part two.
A good point. And since you've specified that you like writing and creating stories, which makes you "God"/Author of that fictional world, how it will play out? Will people in there suffer just like Miura's Berserk, or it will be a happily ever story from the get go?
My point with this is the fact that i do believe that God just wants to make a story for his own pleasure, which there is conflict, tragedy, comedy, horror, brutality and even moments of wholesomeness. So as a character i accept the my destination as everything "It is what it is" Since there is not a single mention of actual free will on the bible, but predestination is explained plenty of times by Paul in his letters.
By any chance, have you ever read any “Warhammer” or “Warhammer 40,000”? If not, it’s a fiction/video game franchise I think you might like…
You think too much and feel too little.
those bastards still messing with your intro music..proof of the demiurge
I haven’t studied these topics as well as you have, not even close but I really appreciate and respect that you can put everything together and intellectualize it in this form. For me it’s been more like intuitive revelation but I can tell you that what you’re talking about is exactly what I felt spiritually since I was a child. I’ve always known that as beautiful as nature can be, it’s also luring you to exist, everything in this realm has a wet, sensual, hypnotic type of energy that is always like; “stay here, keep coming back here”. We have become addicted to the illusion of “love” this place casts for us. What people call planets are actually luminaries and they are living conscious beings, more conscious than us in every way. I had this revelation in a dream, when you exit your body there’s many things that can shape shift and pretend to be something that they are not, it’s a spell or an illusion. But if you question their real intentions or true identities, if you wake up in that way inside of the dream, they take their real form and escape. Why do you think every religion teaches that questioning God is evil? Because it’s a many-faced demon pretending to be different gods but it is the same one and it collects the souls of those who give their belief to it. The souls it captures in each lifetime are collected once they exit their bodies, are washed from their previous life memories then re-inserted or re-incarnated into this giant farm. Not every soul is the same type of soul or comes from the same place, there are different celestial hierarchies. There are some people here that decided to come in knowing what this world is but they came in the hopes of rescuing their friends and families souls. Somehow these higher souls are able to keep their memories intact or fragmented and they come to awaken or remind us. These are what I personally like to call ‘ incarnated archangels’. Sorry I’m all over the place it’s just exciting for me to find something like this so I wanted to share a bit of what I remembered since I was little.
I think you might find some budhist ideas interesting as well, in case you haven't looked them up yet
@@user-sl6gn1ss8p I have studied and practiced Buddhism and I do feel they are the closest to the truth out of all religious/spiritual groups in a way but I feel it still holds a trap. We are tricked into thinking it’s out of our control, if there’s a “karmic debt” then we must come back until resolved. However all of those entities that are in “control” of these decisions are liars, I personally feel they are not good or evil but they don’t have our soul’s best interest at all, so in that way they are detrimental to my path. They want to convince us it’s out of our hands so that we easily submit and manifest their goals. They are parasites and they are energy feeders, we are like batteries to them and this world, they need us to keep coming back and idolize/worship/respect them in all of their different forms. I will kill all gods and leave this time around and I will do so by not placing my attention in anything that tries to stop me. I decided that I break all of my soul contracts with anything I’ve even known from this world so when I leave I’m not obeying or trusting anything, im carving my own path out of here.
This resonates with me! Especially if you genuinely want to help people in this domain
This is a very good summary of what I've come to learn in my almost 25 years of research into what this place actually is. I've learned many things, but the deception when we die is the most important piece of knowledge one could ever obtain. Ever since I was a very small child, I would always say "I want to go home". This is not our home, I'm not sure exactly where we come from? Perhaps we come from different realms as you say? But without a doubt, each of us carries the divine within us. When we're faced with this being presenting itself as God, or Jesus, or even passed on family members, we must question it and allow our inner divinity to show us the truth. Nothing can stand in our way if we do not consent. We will escape.
Man...like a lot of folks here, the thought that nostalgia is a form of depression never crossed my mind, but has haunted me since you uploaded this.
The human mind tends to take ideas and run with them (As we see here with the gnostics), but when we understand the core concept, all is revealed. The true philosophical concept of the one true God of this universe is all-encompassing, good and evil. Wrapped up into one. The consciousness of our universe embodies all aspects of the universe. Good, evil, light and dark. This is why we go through cycles. Night, day, life, death. You get the idea.
As a donkey I am absolutely here to donkey cancel you.
I can’t help but to conceptualize much of this as the Egyptians and the Jews dunking on each others’ God(s) via elaborate fanfics. It’s humorous but also fascinating. Humans have truly always been like this. Thank you for communicating all of this information in such a digestible way!
my headcanon is that everyone was just shitposting, but then people down the line took it seriously
Lol😅
Absolutely amazing. This was extremely enlightening. Great job. I seen dozens of your videos now and I am impressed every single time.
I failed at an attempt on my life and I met yahweh and I'm also his angriest child Yahweh is not demonic, at first he was pretty cruel and wrathful in the old testament but it's his universe and he can do as he wishes god bows to no one, however he sent himself down in corperal form to show forgiveness this dimension/universe can't contain his Almighty incomprehensible form because if he were to show himself it would be chaotic and it'll also ruin the purpose of free will and we'd automatically believe in him he finds it more enjoyable for us to find him ourselves, i used to be atheist but i saw him and im forever changed
hey, maybe its about time you make another attempt
@@judeironheart7252 no thank you, the April 8th eclipse proved my point, funny this 2 months prior 🤣
@m3thodikal What happened during the eclipse?
@@Ojgd539 a dragon like cloud formation was decapitated twice by the eclipse then at the end obliterated by a comet it did go dark but the comet illuminated the sky a little, the eclipse on its own was a beautiful sight however the comet just casually flying in with also Venus present was remarkable I wish i was recording i do however have images of everything but the comet
so in other words, a trickster god
This is so cool. I had thought the basic gnostic framework must have unfolded as a response to the problem of evil- since in some ways it seems like an elegant solution to that problem, but i had no idea of all these rich historical aspects.
Banging intro. Bold thesis. Like your work fella.
Hat up for your brilliant way of weaving the plasticity of concepts in order to substantialize the fabric of our world. Your work is great, insightful, enlightening, precious, and definitively dangerous. Thanks and rest assured you are supported in many ways.
Thanks doc.
The psychic horror of a chopinless universe
This puts Jesus riding into the city on a donky into a whole new light for me.
holy crap that never dawned on me, but I think you are onto something! Wow!
Or, and hear me out here, it was simply because donkeys were more common than horses in the Middle East, and it was just a simple description? I mean, if I was describing an event, I'd probably note a mode of transport even if it's a boring donkey. But maybe you are on to something, but I don't think that detail is supposed to go that deep.
@@knyazvals4824 Jesus riding on donkey is demonstration of humility and humbleness
Thank you for this deep dive into the origins of the gnostic Christian demiurge by way of Plato and Set! I've been longing for this to be explained to me for ages. I started reading gnostic lit and apocrypha 24 years ago (as a hobby, not as a college student/scholar) and I was mystified from the outset about who this evil creator god was amd where he came from. I'm so looking forward to the rest of your series on this topic.
This is the first video I watch on this channel and honestly I'm kinda enraptured about it, will watch more soon!
I'm amazed by the way you tell us the narratives.. I see how much you entertein yourself by all that knowledge that surrounds you.
I think we are all nostalgic no matter how small the memory is. It's a pure human experience and no one should ignore it.
Didn’t realize Plutarch was going to be involved in this episode! Love your videos!!
Funny thing about Demiurge is that they make such fantastic effects pedals. (i.e. Doomy(O))) ) Seriously, though, I always look forward to your content. Thank you for your hard work.
BRRRRRRRR DRONEEEE
Ahh man just the fact the pedal is called Demiurge tells me all I need to know, I want one!
It's a SunnO))) life clone, also. And is like $150-250 cheaper than an actual Sunn Life pedal. And it's cute.
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@@hessex1899 Couldve known there were doom fans in Esoterica comment sections lmao
Josh really showed them who’s boss. Riding on a donkey into Jerusalem on Palm Sunday.
So much better at a deeper level than the usual literally, eh?
The new testament authors took that from the book of Zachariah
They literally write "This is to fulfill what was written in the prophet Zechariah" @@Hastenforthedawm