Confronting The Most CONTROVERSIAL Warhammer Opinions!
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Popular opinion here, GW boxes should come with all the models thay you can take in an unit, having to buy multiple boxes to have a full unit is dumb.
Sorry that I ask but which recent boxes include incomplete units? O.O' ... I mean, sure I know 1 AoS box (a Stormcast one) which has an incomplete unit but I don't know any other products GW sells for which the units are incomplete. Unless you mean that currently although you are provided with a full unit, you lack the actual weapon options to kit out every model in the unit the way you want. If you mean that, YES ... 1000 times yes. If you mean actual incomplete units, as said I personally only know of that one Stormcast box which provides 3 miniatures for a unit with 5 models in it to be complete.
@@Morrodin182
I haven't bought Orks for a long time, and can't quote their codex, but I have heard people use them as an example.
Half the Boyz come with one weapon choice, half with another, with no duplication.
If the whole unit have to be armed the same, that means buying two boxes, to field one box worth of minis.
Complex monopose sculpts are also unhelpful. Older models would have weapons and gear separate, sometimes on separate sprues, and GW allowed purchases of those specific sprues.
Now, swapping a weapon is difficult, as that weapon comes as a piece with half a chestplate and waist.
A DW veteran unit of 10 guys would then need 10 marines, 5 bikes, 5 assault marines and 5 terminators. Means each box per squad will be £130 range if that was the case.
Mediocrity.
1. Billy Connolly - ‘drifting towards the beige’
2. Bill Hicks rants.
3. When I was renovating a flat all the professionals I spoke to were unanimous; magnolia. No prospective tenant/buyer expects anything else.
Cathay.
Round about the time an excellent book, 1421, about the neglected Chinese voyages of discovery was published, white Dwarf did an article focused on the revamped lizardmen/Slann. Written up as the diary of a Cathay courtier accompanying an expedition to the New World which fell foul of the indigenous Slann. And yes it did a good job on bugging up the Slann but all the time I was wondering, ok, is GW going to jump on the bandwagon and bring out armies of Cathay for Warhammer, and/or Warhammer Ancient Battles? And...zilch.
@@DukeDanseMacambre
That's not a fair example.
'Veterans' are effectively a skill upgrade, to multiple types of marine unit.
I wouldn't expect to see bikes, in a box of terminators.
But if I bought a box of bikers, I expect to see the options, to equip a veteran sergeant, icon bearer, vox operator, as a unit of typical marine bikers, with the additional gear that can turn them all into veteran bikers, that are listed in their current and previous codex.
I shouldn't have to buy a box of 'veteran bikers', to get a power weapon, or combi-bolter.
Similarly, any SM hero on bike should come with the options to build them as a chaplain, apothecary.
It reduces purchaser paralysis, and frees up space on the shelves.
Unpopular opinion:
The green 3d printing resin is tastier than the gray kind.
no no no no
See? Now THAT'S how you do an unpopular opinion. Discourse CLEARLY prefers the gray resin.
I'm waiting for Tide Pod-colored resin. It would be the tastiest of them all.
@@DiscourseMinis you fool mint green is the tastiest and freshest and is a good filament chaser
I can't afford the gray stuff. For whatever reason the mint green is cheaper, and it's all I know. Some day I might taste the sweet nectar enjoyed by the upper class.
If they did they would be considered "bought and paid for". Poor Discourse would be torn between her need for plastic and her desire to be honest.
Somewhere out there, there are people who don't know who General Melchett is, and suddenly heard Discord go 'Baaah' and now think she is losing the plot . . . These people sadly do not lead full lives. 😔
Pray for them
RIP Speckled Jim !
@@Duppyman695 we definitely did not eat this plump and delicous pigeon!
Yeah. My main gripe with archaism is the refusal to move beyond D6 and 2k points. If everything doubled in points, fine tuning at the lower end becomes so much better. D6 limits a lot of interactions as well.
Some of the reasons 40K 2e is still my Favorite!
@@garymcgregor5951 I wasn't around for 2e - what made it different
@@darko-man8549 It used the full range of "D&D Dice", for instance a heavy bolter's armour pen was d6+d4+5. Armour values were higher and there were different hit locations and facings, as well: a land raider had a hull AV of 22 for front, 20 for side/rear. The other locations were las cannon, and track. Las cannon arm pen was 3d6+9.
Also, figure costs were higher. A squad of 3-9 chaos marines, armed with only bolt pistol and frag, with power armour, were 25 points, bolt rifles were 3pts each, etc for other wpns depending on the squad you were making. And then you had to buy the aspiring chaos champion (sgt) and all of his equipment...
Some other differences (or not, I've not played 9th): You could only do one of the following for movement: Charge, move (and shoot where appropriate), or run. Much more realistic. Targeting was more real-world, too. Facings mattered. A squad could target multiple things.
Also, before the game, you each drew a mission card with primary and secondary objectives, but didn't show your opponent. I love this as, as often happens in real life, you don't know what your opponent is trying to do, so you have to deal with them, and still worry about your own orders. Theoretically, you could both achieve your missions.
The rulebook is on scribid, if you do that, other you should be able to find it elsewhere online. Feel free to ask more questions.
@@garymcgregor5951 i remember the armour profiles depending on vehicle direction. I do much prefer the "hidden agenda" of missions
There is no such thing as casual GW games. Someone will always WAAC it out even in casual games.
Also, the rules layers have gotten ridiculous. GW needs to learn from One Pages Rules...
Also, let's not deify Rick Priestley... the man was central to creating GW's bloodthirsty corporate culture. He's possibly the worst thing that's ever happened to any kind of tabletop gaming.
the thing with narrative play with warhammer is not the narrative, it's the warhammer, people that say that want to play warhammer in a narrative way. they'll probably don't accept another ip for this, because they like warhammer. the lore, the factions, the minis. something that is unfortunaly (sorf of, onepagerules is there to save us at leas) people tend to play 40k because they like the setting. and another game doesn't have that setting.
Yeah I agree with you there Robert, I think that the setting is the major component!
@@DiscourseMinis grimdark future has potential do solve this. but people tend to see OPR as a "fanmade" or as "proxy." and don't take it seriously. at least that's the issue i have here. having some progress, i admit. people are more accepting to grimdark future now because of the overly competitive 40k. but still it is a issue.
"I would be way happier if those BATTLE BAWKSESSSS..." that single line made my day, unintentionally I guess :D
My favourite wargame measuring devices are my pocket tapemesure I got at the hardware store. It's compact and has the same great quality of my full sized one I use for work for less then $10 CAD.
I gotta say, I bought a Warlord branded measuring tape to get free postage and thought it would be absolutely ridiculous (any measuring tape is the same surely) but it has actually been my most useful hobby purchase, it's the perfect size and doesn't zip back into the device as a default
@@DiscourseMinis at hardware stores that feature is called auto-lock. I can see why people would use it, but I'm so accustomed to the pull back I find auto-lock annoying.
@@DiscourseMinis Honestly I think Discourse is a Beautiful Woman .... she has the Female Christopher Reeves look to her .....
@@bryantherocker I think she's a goddess
@@johnhunter9646
You and Bobby will have to fight Kelsey Grammer, first.
(see historical vid)
Big issue with all these sponsored “reviews” (in reality ads) is that the biggest content creators in the community have been putting out identical content for some time now. Not great for the average TH-cam consumer. Why would I want to watch the same thing 5 or even 10 times. Let’s have some honest opinions people!
That ad segway was awesome 👌
The deadzone cube system is so freeing, it is so intuitive once you get beyond the inches.
Really pleased to see your channel growth and another ad... You build that brand... Though I do feel that when you finally move to your own place you do ads with your classic cheesy skits (similar to Erik from Internet Comment ettitiquite but with a warhammer twist)...
2:05 time stamp: oh, they playtest stuff, poorly and in-house. Back in the day when I used to send in articles for "The Journal", Jervis Johnson sent me a letter asking if I wanted to help them playtest BloodBowl. My response was along the lines of "hell yes, absolutely, send it!" but I never got a copy.
The biggest problem with the measure tape is when people get super critical about the distance like nope you moved 6.0625" that's to far then oh nope your guns range is 24" and target is 24. 0625"
I love how you spoke about deadzone, even fleetingly. Massive fan of cubes and cubes and cubes
Sponsored reviews can only be taken with a grain of salt like any other review, it is there to help sway your purchase either way. The secret formula for the music industry is what all the companies are trying to follow, blandness, Bo Burnham pretty much explained how to sell with the song "repeat stuff"
orifices says you.
new fear of snakes says I
I'm glad I stopped playing in 2008 after starting in 2004. I've saved so much money and frustration just collecting models that I like to paint and having my private fantasies of what playing a good sci-fi game is like.
Thankyou the teletubbie bit had me in stitches, I needed a good laugh!
Unpopular opinion:
People take tabletop games waay too seriously, remember back in the day with your friends at the school warhammer club, when your army size was judged by eye and the mission was to kill as many models as you could before the lunch bell rang? Those were fun days
Sorry power gamers but shut up about army lists
Some people do find it fun to go super competitive and play tonnes of 40k seriously. Why else do so many people go to tournaments and watch competitive youtubers. I respect your view about it and I agree that some people take it way too seriously, but the numbers and GW's profit margin don't lie.
@@randomfactguy6385 i understand the competitive side is part of the fun, thats the point of the game, but I'm talking about people who come up with lists that nuke other more relaxed players, i love playing against people with really "fluffy" armies, like an Imperial guard regiment thats a swamp of men, or a word bearer's army consisting of an unusually high amount of possessed or demons.
It shows the side where people have an idea and bring it to life, their army shows the person they are, its also why i love fully converted armies.
I'd personally blame GW for that. The hobby is so expensive now that people can't really afford to buy units to "test out" or make "fluffy" lists. People don't need to WIN but they like to do things, and If you spend $60-80 and 10+ hours on a single model/unit just to have it do absolutely nothing, that feels pretty shitty. I love my all Termie GK Army, but it pretty much sucks as a list.But I only have that list because I have my collection built up. I can't really begrudge someone just starting from getting the most efficient stuff to make sure they can atleast get out of T1/T2
@@the98themperoroftheholybri33 if you're a relaxed player, and you have the option of playing an experienced player with a meta list, then either don't play them if you don't want to get stomped or accept that you're probably going to lose and try and win anyway. People you bring fluffy lists aren't trying to win let's be honest.
School warhammer Club?... we had football and fighting and most of the time a mix of the two xp
Additional note to Rick Priestly leaving because GW wouldn't let him innovote (or, in his words "The creative team are no longer creative"): Andy Chambers left the company before the release of 40k 4th edition after submitting his draft and, essentially, being told that it was too different and that they just wanted 3rd edition rewritten with some tweaks. I haven't played it, but I'm told the Starship Troopers game he helped write after leaving GW was heavily based on his initial draft for 40k 4th edition.
The things like the Blackadder reference are what keeps me coming back
We NEED more of you in our lives !!!!!!
You should do a video about how GW binned all their external play testers. The testers can't comment because of their NDAs.
Sits back, and waits for the deluge of posts, on the theme 'I didn't know GW even HAD playtesters!'.
The bit about influencers being dependent upon free stuff, early, from GW is kind of true in the larger media space.
In the old days, companies hated the News because they would often publicize all the deeply scummy things those companies were doing. But then they invented a thing called a "Press Release", which allowed companies to tailor the news to their benefit. Journalists are lazy (if we're being uncharitable), and overworked and underfunded (if we are being charitable). It's just easier and less work to print the press releases the companies hand to you.
Until at this point, news media is functionally just the PR arm of Capital. "Access Journalism" is the name of the game.
In another example, video games journalism is similarly just an extension of the video game industry. If your review of the latest game isn't sufficiently glowing, or at least sufficiently uncritical, you can say bye to your access in the future. No access, no news. In a cutthroat competitive media environment like now, the goodwill of a company has outsized influence over one's survival.
Paul Foot, late doyen of Private Eye did not like the term ‘investigative journalist’. He asked, if a journalist is not investigating, what are they doing?
The snake thing killed me! Walking my dogs in the woods while laughing out loud like a lunatic. Also taking it to full-on creepy town with the mention of orifices was a bold choice and one that I’m here for 😂. Reminiscent of Mighty Boosh and their eels song 🤣
lots of interesting stuff in here. and some good points from you discourse! keep it up, all the best!
Much appreciated! :D
IMO Warcry and Kill Team 2.0 (the current version) do show that GW's present designers can put together really great and relatively streamlined games when they're allowed to start from scratch. Also, outside of GW, Kings of War demonstrates that old Warhammer fantasy had a great foundation that accumulated too much cruft and "but also" aspects - KoW keeps it simple and is a completely fantastic game.
I kind of suspect there's a holistic problem for GW with 40k and AoS, in that they want to profiteer off releasing new editions and army codexes very often. This creates a disincentive to sit down, start from scratch, and build a single game system that lasts and doesn't have to be tinkered with and FAQed every 90 days. What would be the point when you know you're just going to make a new edition in 20 months in order to sell everybody a replacement set of books?
I'd disagree with the Warcry and Kill Team perspectives - for me, Kill Team went too far in the 'simplification' process, and by essentially fixing it to pre-built squads just caters for the provision of a 'meta' and endless balance updates. Also, switching the measurement system to use symbols was just dumb - if they've have wanted to use a 'measuring device' system, then just follow what SW:Legion or OnePageRules do, because both of those systems work really well..
WarCry used to be a really great game - simple, straightforward rules, simple listbuilding (which still provides tonnes of room for variation) and no absolute 'meta' (the Adepticon winning warbands couldn't be any different from one another if they tried). In February the game was in the best shape I've ever seen a GW game, with lots of ways to play and entry points into the hobby all the way from under £50 all the way up to £150.
Then they invalidated the ToC '21 book within two months of releasing it by withdrawing virtually all of the Underworlds warbands from sale and started selling 'starter' warband boxes for £60 featuring unoptimized warbands. Right now, I'm looking at the July 10th announcements with dread, as I've a horrible feeling that WarCry 2.0 is on the horizon, featuring pre-built squads (invalidating a lot of current lists) and a £200 'starter' set...
@@TwinStripe I still think Warcry is amazing but you are correct from the business side of things.
The prices have gone up, Underworlds has gone down the U-Bend, and i also fear warcry's future is in potential danger.
However the current version is still a brilliant game, its simply a question of for how much longer will this last.
+1 for the Blackadder reference.
lolz that add spot was pretty great :D
As we say in french : « On ne mord pas la main qui nous nourrit ».
So much I could say, I’ll be brief and say casual play is so hard these days. So much book keeping , some armies are so swingy and the cost is the absolute coffin nail. Cost for casual players is a real big deal. If you aren’t hardcore invested you have no reason for paying these cut throat prices to GW. Price just isn’t a small issue these days.
The way you snook in the Nord VPN add is golden! You are awesome 😎
12:30 I wasn't ready for that shot
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One page rules is better the Warhammer 40k or age of sigmar.
"Time is the thief of joy" :D 😀
The mane reason I don't play any table top war games is price and shipping times. Expensive three weeks + shipping time, and a 40% duty just makes a already expensive hobby to much.
I watched The Chaos Space Marine video on Tabletop Tactics and I have to admit I did become interested to the point I had to remind myself just what that interest would lead to. I'd say I'm cured but I'm not as I still am interested. However I'm equally determined I'm not buying back into their bullshit. I'm not buying a codex to have to buy a dozen supplements just so I can play my army only to have the whole lot become landfill year after next if we're lucky.
I still remember 20+ years ago on I think it was 3rd edition, it really felt like the Imperium could've tipped to it's death at any second. There was a feel of true desperation everywhere.
Now, with Cawl pulling 10 million new and improved (because *obviously* he can improve massively on what the Emperor could do) Spare Marines (super-super snowflakes), there at least to me isn't nearly the same kind of desperation and "fight for survival".
That's one of the biggest reason why my interest in 40k has all but died.
The grimdark desperation was the biggest thing that drew me into 40k back in the middle - late 90s.
Just discovered you. Love your honesty and wacky accent.
I’m so happy a random angry Do-GW employee posted on a video that has a VPN sponsor
Do expand upon the "Snakes and orifices" thoughts please?
Great channel !
saying "mediocrity sells" is complaining that vanilla is the most sold flavor.
in fairness, Vanilla is NOT bland at all. Absolutely delicious :D
Yiu can play BattleTech on regular terrain, and with a measuring tape. Before we quit, that’s how we played it.
All rise for Judge Discourse! First YouPukers should get FREE things, how else could GW get them to say what GW want them to say and stop them from saying want GW don't want them to say. Second when Star Wars died a death I buried it's stinking corpse so deep, I didn't think it still existed! Third have you seen that Citadel Washes have shrunk.... In the wash?
the cost of paying GW to play is high, but now you can buy a resin 3d printer for the same cost as a box set of warhammer 40k and then 3d print an entire army mostly for free (the better 3d models cost a little bit and people should tip the artist if it's free just cuz it's nice imo, but it's still pennies compared to GW prices) the cost may be more by a little bit upfront but then when you take into account you can 3d print unlimited numbers of models for much much cheaper, 1liter of resin is like 25$, each regular mini is less then a dollar, and then you can also print minis that are unique, and then there is 3d printing all the terrain, but the issue with 3d printing is GW wont let you play at their stores (which is fine , who goes to a GW store anyways) and everyone who is a fan boy will judge you :(
Did the thumbnail on this change? I thought it said something about TH-camrs not getting Freebies and now it's about wargaming not being fun.
Cathay was teased in the very forst mentions of the old world with kislev, and gw and CA stated they worked together on the design of both together. So there is a good chance we will see Cathay, just probably not right away? Since they rolled back the dates to the time of the three emperors. Whichbkeepsnit certainly ventered in empire amd the reichland of the old world to start. However they did state all armies will be viable, and they did focus on the border princes area so....
Cathay and Kislov are available for Warmaster
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it!!
Unpopular opinion: the gamers need to spend time looking at games other then those produced by GW. GW games (not the fluff/minis) are really poorly designed and waaay behind the times. It's like watching people play Pacman yelling about how it's the BEST GAME EVA! while I'm over here playing something made in 2022 and wondering why those people are trying so hard not to live their decade.
Want some very cheap, mini agnostic suggestions? The Weald, Sludge, Nightwatch, Insurgent earth, Oathmark, Silver bayonet, Konflict 47, Warlords of Erewhon, Fantastic Battles, Battlespace, Song of blades and Heroes.
If you want to see rules writing at bleeding edge check out anything written by Richard Clark and Sam Mustafa. Yes, they do write historical rule sets but some how manage to be more intuitive, dynamic and innovative then most sci-fi/fantasy games.
Judge Discourse.
She is the law.
Warhammer is expensive. I like the Middle-Earth sbg and I find that as a beginner, battle companies is the best way to play. You don’t need a lot of miniatures depending on the faction you choose. For instance my first faction I’ve chosen is The Moria Goblins. All I need for the faction is one box of the normal goblins to start. Now as I advance I’ll need prowlers and black shield, but if you play with a group of people who aren’t super sticklers you can always just say “hey this guy her is a prowler and these two are black shield”. Keep it light, keep it fun, and just have a good time.
Hey, so, I've been watching your channel for a few months now. I thoroughly agree with much of what you say about GW. I stopped giving them money years ago myself. I have to say though, I enjoy more the videos where you talk about other games that are good. I really liked your video on One Page Rules, and I would be interested to see your take on other, non GW games, and maybe shed some light on them with your YT powers. Be well!
I always suggest people interested in WH that they try something like Battletech to start their hobby journey. You can join games with as few as one miniature, and there isn't any need for a whole library of codexes that change every couple years.
A lot of media has devolved into content. It's less important for it to be good than it is to have it be new, and have twats talk about it on social media until the next new content arrives to excite/upset/depress the audience and begin the cycle of twaterry all over again.
The spice. The spiiiiiiiice!
The spice must flow...
hey, can you give out those narrative-cooeprative-skirmsih games?
I would love to play those
I would like to see you do lore video or just talk about mantic games warpath universe please
What cooperative narrative based games would you suggest discourse??
5 Parsec is written as a solo play game, but does have rules for co-op play, it is called an adventure game because of how in depth the story telling is, it's a great game
As someone whose been very competitive in other genres, made enough money from one of those genres to not go hungry and been surrounded by some of the greatest examples of competitive communities. Wargaming is not competitive, It's only considered so by the absolute mad (and respectable) effort some people in a very specific part of wargamings community (competitive community) do to make it so and it's resulted in a very average community who are more built around casuals pretending to be competitive than actual competitive players.
Like in the other genres I've seen the skill level, mentality and capability of said wargaming competitive scene pretty much aligns with their casuals.
I'm not even going to get started on the horror show from an outside point of view that I had when I first started, which was the toxic TO's, the rampant cheating etc
The competitive mentality of the average competitive wargame player is too childish to be taken seriously, and their idea of competitive elevation is to look up a list or what another person finds strong, you take away the internet / word of mouth from the extreme high majority of these people and they will be lost at sea.
What annoys me is wargaming has such a magical experience that can't be capture anywhere other than dnd and yet only like 5 to 10% it's potential is seen/met and that's: Narrative play.
If even half the effort that the competitive wargaming community puts into trying to make it competitive was put into narrative, magical things would happen.
I'd rather see people show off their insane table terrain and talk about their incredible journey through some crusade or whatever narrative campaign then hear them bitch about how they have to shelve their OP army they bought last year because it's been nerfed and they are interested in a new army that seems fun, happens to be really strong, you know the one by the same developer for the same game that happened to coincidentally be released around the same time.
This is pervasive in video and card games, too. Mtg I'll pick a lot of people running "competitive" decks apart with my goofy homebrew shit because they play a copied deck the say someone told them to and flounder when they have to actually interact with the opponent instead of their cheese combo because they didn't get a perfect starting hand.
Yeah, most likely because the person pick the deck because it's strong in a meta, but they don't really know why or haven't got the capability to make full use of it. Also out of meta opponents will potentially have anti meta decks or decks that aren't taken into consideration by the net deck creator.
Real competitive players need the ability to make the deck without looking it up, understanding why it is and what it does and how to change it on the fly via sideboard or when the meta shifts.
In wargaming I can't tell you the amount of "serious competitive player" that complain because they can't remember stratagems or don't want to put in the time to research other factions etc
40k competitive play is an illusion, ten to twenty people in a tournament doesn't make a good enough environment, the games are too long for serious growth.
You'll never see sponsorships become standard in it, even tho this is an environment full of people that are kind of easy to make spend money, wargamers have spent so much and keep spending so much it's like...
Don't get me started on 40k pay to win. New box that has a new unreleased unit that give you a massive advantage and you want to bring four of them? 400£ right there, indomitus for example with those heavy support melta dudes. It's pathetic how anti competitive 40k is.
It’s clear no one paid royalties for the frickin’ slinky muzik. 🤣
The most narrative play-friendly version of 40K is the original version, played with a GM!
popular opinion 3D printed bits are no different from the old converted stuff.
As such GW should a allow a certain level of 3D printed stuff on the miniatures, even at tournaments.
Hey Judge Disk Wyatt get together with Arbiter Ian and finally bring justice to the universe.
yeah I should probably hit him up to collab on saving the galaxy :D
So if one is interested in a small scale, largely narrative (but PvP-style) miniatures game, what are the top recommendations? Kill Team Campaign?
Grim Dark Future from One Page Rules has their own KT/Necromunda version called Firefight which looks promising
I lived in Japan, and married a Japanese national. I always want more East Asian elements in my miniatures.
so here's that update it total there's a bout 6-8 horus heresy 2-player starter boxes in my area
10:18 This is _such_ an _important point_ Discourse has made: You* (Shillin' YT Content Creators) will be _much more_ inclined to claim a particular GW product has more favorable attributes & less drawbacks if you didn't have to work 6-12 hours at your job in order to *_PAY FOR IT_* ~&~ instead it was just dropped in your lap free of charge**......& GW of course knows this.
(** w/ a friendly reminder of the framed GW NDA hanging on your wall)
Depends on the TH-camr who gets it…
Yes! Come join the Emperor's Children. The best legion! So many fun directions you can go with allies like daemons of Slaanesh and Knights.
Warhammer is neither a game, nor a hobby - it is an elaborate mechanism to redistribute money from your pocket into the bank accounts of GW shareholders.
"the line of sight rules are very fiddly"
not in KoW or Firefight
NDA are an absolute curse on society. It is a machination that denies so many aspects of personal freedom and oversight.
in my opinion it's not "free stuff" the company is getting the reviewers subscribers, sometimes in the millions, thats millions of eyeballs who are into the thing your trying to sell, sending someone a item to review is nessessary or nobody would ever see the thing you want to sell. and no reviewer could afford to buy every random product they like. obviously there is shitty reviewers, and fake ones, people who put their integrity on the sidelines for some money, you know these people by how they review everything and never have much negative input, because if your not positive about everything a lot of companies wont send you anything to review because they know their product is rubbish
It's marketing, and cheap marketing at that. One model for them is pennies compared to the hundred of bucks a single positive review can bring.
There's an even simpler way to keep GW from knowing that you are googling Star Wars Legions. Don't do it on your work computer. How else would a GW manager even know what he is searching for on Google? I seriously doubt that GW is hacking his computer to track his searches. The only plausible way they could know what he is searching for is that he is doing it on their computers. GW saying that you can't spend your time researching a competing product while you are at work on their time and using their computer isn't even a little unreasonable.
Fantastic as always, thank you 😊
Calling AoS “bland” is so bizarre, I can’t even respond to it. It’s like someone saying they find charcoal too sweet when they chew it. Like, I understand what you’re saying in theory, but I’m confused as to how we got here.
Its just fantasy 40k? No regimented armies clashing together with flanking bonuses and tactical options. Heavy character focus and you just blob all your fighters onto objectives.
@@Remixersoloman I'm speaking more of art and lore, including the sculpts. As a game, I think its more fun and less tedious than 40K.
Agreed, the setting is crazy and in a good way in my opinion.
Remember reading a story of how there is a town that lives on the back of a giant god beast worm that's constantly moving, the streets and buildings change position as the muscles of the creature twists and turns. The guards wear armour made from its Chitin and use spears of Hair fibres from its back.
But apparently that's boring.......Apparently "Man/Elf/Dwarf with spear" is more interesting.
@@theDackjanielz I think Remixer Soloman is talking about the rules. Fair, if you don’t like any game that isn’t rank and flank.
I presumed that Discourse and the comment she’s responding to are talking about the setting, which is absurd. The lore for AoS is ridiculous and awesome.
I think a lot of the hate for AoS comes from the type of internet commenter who has “Nordic runes” tattooed on them and thinks 40K isn’t satire.
@@lctaylor6 lol oh yes.....Those people....The people who take 40k as a literal way of life......Genuinely disturbing thought.
As for WFB and AOS on the TT setting - i never understood why one had to destroy the other? Why cant WFB exist aswell even if it were in a limited fashion? Keep selling the 8th edition rulebook and big square movement trays for example.
They could of done a massive Cities of sigmar launch which remakes alot of the old models in modern form, both games benefit - Everyones happy!
I might not be hurt by the cost so much if more of the profits went to the FLGS but no they have to penny pinch while gw sells 10pence worth of plastic for £50
I mean how many YT'ers invited to the recent GW event and all got invited into the super secret even for the updated contrast paint showcase. And frnakly almost every video except for Miniac (Sorry miniac) was the same format, wording, and flow.
Oddly enough and much to my surprise when one expresses the opinion that GW prices are much too high said judgement is often countered with vehement protestations that in fact the contrary is actually true.
Often from trust fund kids, spending someone else's money.
Great job. I love the one you mentioned, say you like the game, but hate the pricing and the company and you get a horde of slavering ratsworkshopsimps shouting you down with the standard GW appologists.
Yeah, always good to take sponsored reviews with some salt and just assess them on facts !
Really nice video (so what my question got read out and that will somewhat bias my opinion). If you ever do the opposite video of "non- controversial" takes, can I pre-emptively suggest "Squigs are the one thing GW got absolutely 100% right" . No need to thank me.
I'd say Night goblins as a whole, I love those little guys
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Hello fellow ireland...er keep up the good work - good craic
Narrative game wise things like Forbidden Psalm and The Weald are pretty good! There are a few other more narrative games I wanna try that seem pretty interesting too. Mebbe even too many interesting games out there I wanna play (that aren’t GW or Star Wars games 😂).
My favorite thing ever:
“YOUR ENTIRE ARMY NEEDS OBSEC, AND HOW DID YOU EVEN SCORE ANY SECONDARIES?!”
-Everyone who doesn’t understand there are more the ONE way to win
RE: Blandness and my hot take
So much of what gamers think is great/deep/interesting/unique is just old rehashed nerd tropes (typically with unfunny humor injected in) that I frankly find worse than the toned down lore of a setting. The people that rail the hardest about how stuff isn't creative or isn't special are the same who think their Angry Marines army is something special for example. No thanks.
When I hear someone talk about how such and such is no longer interesting because it's been dumbed down for normies, I assume that person is a gatekeeper who's more interested in rehashed nerd bullshit until they prove otherwise.
HOW DARE YOU LIKE WHAT I DON'T LIKE, GATEKEEPER!
Or the ones complaining that 'GW got political', when asking the fan base to be polite to each other.
See also 'jumping on the woke bandwagon', for including female Guard, etc.
Warhammer and 40k were written by unapologetic anti-Thatcherites, to ridicule the religious-right pandering authoritarianism of the time.
Judge Discwyatt Earp...
Don't care what anyone says but i think AOS is a better setting than WFB was.
That setting was basically lord of the rings, which is fine except i'm more than "done" with lord of the rings.
Ever since this new universe GW has gone absolutely crazy on the creative front, they're finally free and i love what new weirdos and lore they keep designing.
In what way is wfb the same as lotr?
After my first year into wargames, I still have my first unpopular opinion: codex shouldn't exist, or at least all the codex should be available when a new edition is released! Waiting years to properly play your army in a game? Absurd!
I missed the original poll. Here's my unpopular opinion: Thousands of pages of rules, plus several new rules additions every week via warhammer-community is a deal breaker. Unpopular opinion number two: I lose interest after the first hour of a game, and im bored to death after the 3rd hour.
The new editions and rules majorly put me off.
I saved and saved. Bought the 7th rules ready to start collecting then 8th came out a month later.
Killed my interest tbh
Once again. Excellent stuff. I wonder how much plastic GW actually produce ? And the environmental impact act.
I don't play any of this stuff, because I am a poor. Even if I was not a poor, though, I haven't got friends or a personality people are willing to put up with in a social setting, so there's no point in playing. Even if that was not the case, I have no faith in my ability to win and I know I won't have a good time losing, so I have a shit time regardless of if I am winning or losing because the stress of it all makes me an irritable asshole that is incapable of finding fun in ANYTHING ANYMORE.
Honestly, I'm not sure why I'm here.
You are here because, at a specific point in time, your Mummy and Daddy loved each other in a very special way.
Skaven Skaven Skaven if i could i would play them in every Warhammer game
What do snakes do now they what ....lol
Disco as a woman and a fan, what do you think of gw saying ONLY men can be space marines? I think it is correct. Because of the genetic alterations done.
Nothing is worse or more annoying than someone at your LGS, who plays warhammer 40k, AoS, MtG, etc but complains about literally every function and piece of each game (while playing strong armies or decks).
Negativity is toxic in a community and needs to stay in the warp