Dark Souls 2 Critique
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 เม.ย. 2014
- After finding myself let down by Dark Souls 2 I wanted to talk about many of the problems I had with it. This is a critique, not a full review. Some positive details are omitted, for instance I like the health reduction when hollowed. That said, my overall feeling is one of overwhelming disappointment.
I've played through the game three times:
Knight, melee only, latter half in Company of Champions.
Hexer, no shield, participated in all covenants.
Dex, poison build, Company of Champions.
I feel this has given me a good overview of the different possible builds/covenants. I never record my first playthrough of a game so there's no footage of the Knight.
Apologies to everyone I killed as a Rat, for what it's worth I didn't enjoy it either. - เกม
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"King Vendrick should have just defended his kingdom by building more doorways"
dead
actually undead
So true....but...Giants exist. I don’t think doors will be too great...realistically at least. Dark souls wise though; yeah.
Noroi *hollow*
*YOU DIED*
i have humanity if you want
The Emerald Herald's speech every time you want to level up sheds new light on why Anastasia's tongue was cut out in DS1.
Bear, seek, seek, lest...
@Linda Niemkiewicz All the NPCs in DS1, 2, and 3 repeat themselves verbatim over and over once they run out of dialogue, with few exceptions in specific cases. That should be reworked
Shaffan Mustafa a journal in the inventory would sort that issue out. Essentially just for npc dialogue. Then the npcs could say everything once and then stop.
"Shut the fuck up! Do you know what shut the fuck up mean?!"
Honestly in DS3 firekeeper talks even more.
@Linda Niemkiewicz even better, deprecate the odds of even hearing dialogue depending on what's been cycles. maybe do it by having an array of ten random numbers, but once a number is chosen it can't be chosen again. So if there's 5 lines and 0 is no dialogue(this number can be repeated), it'd go something like 3, 0, 2, 1, 0, 0, 4, 0, 5, 0, and there it counts up to ten. After this, 5 is added to the max array size random number size, so it'd do it again but up to fifteen, and so on.
Now if only someone on TH-cam could make a video critiquing your critique so that a different TH-camr could critique their critique of you in a seven hour long series...
It's actually 10 hours long.
Luce Belmont I’ve now watched this and hbomber’s but I could not fucking handle how utterly excruciating it was to try to listen to the last guy (Mauler?) I spent maybe 15 minutes before realizing it was hopeless
MauLer’s response to HBomberguy is, despite being 9 hours, one of the best and most in-depth commentaries I’ve seen on any game. People constantly shit on it for being long, but if you actually watch more than five minutes of it you’ll realise it’s long because he goes through HBomb’s every point and explores using evidence. It takes ages to be that thorough. Honestly that response is very impressive, probably the best thing MauLer has made and I really respect him for taking the time.
Sadly, HBomb decided to be immature and kind of cowardly about it, desperately trying to make sure his fans didn’t take it seriously on Twitter. Sorry mate, your tactics didn’t work for all of us. He did this, despite claiming people making criticisms of him is a ‘good’ thing (he says this in his Bethesda video). I’ve never seen HBomb take criticism well. I used to be a big fan of him but this is one of a few things that’s slowly turned me away from the guy.
@@OQIF87NREU I could barely stand Hbomber smugness through that video, watching Mauler was 10x more bearable and entertaining.
D.C. Beckendorff if something Mauler made is the best anything you’ve ever heard I weep for you lmao
Crestfallen Warrior is a From Software Meme. They put him in every game since King's Field. So What you perceive as Crestfallen The Second is actually Crestfallen The Sixth
Is that why he's so... crestfallen?
Is Hawkwood Crestfallen the Seventh?
@@SorowFame I mean
Who would this character be in Bloodborne?
@@giannieditsvideos id say its old hunter yamamura from the dlc but i think he was just a easter egg for sekiro
"dark souls allowed you to wander into the catacombs or new londor at the start, and trusted you were smart enough to go somewhere else instead" lol brings back memories.
glaive120 i killed pinwheel and ingward before finding the burg on my first playthrough smh
When I arrived at Tomb of Giants the first time, it was a "fuck no"
Just another black & white mickey Mouse yeah i lost all my souls from pinwheel instantly and rage quit for a few days haha
@@dickheadrecs *Obligitory Git Gud*
Hopefully you did that once they patched the skeletons to give you souls, otherwise I'm so sorry dude
"upon arrival, we go into a shed and more old ladies laugh at us"
always gets me
Being in the year 2020 and hearing that "Dark Souls 2 released recently" made me feel old.
Demon's Souls was 11 years ago.
Man that was released 6 years ago. I'm turning hollow as we spea....
Elden Ring will be released 10 years from now.
sometimes i got to feel old even though its been couple months
hearing the tales of dark souls 2 in the post apocalyptic world of 2050 made me feel old.
Suspension of disbelief already hit me at majula when the blacksmith gave up on life because his tools were locked in a run down building. I walked over 3 steps and there's a massive gaping window that either he or I could easily climb through...
I can only imagine your reaction when you found out how the road to the castle was blocked off
I almost hollowed when I found out
and when you go to him, he says "bring me that key, chop chop" What is this, a video game designed for kids? why is he confident that this random person will be the one to bring him the key, does he know that we're the main character? Its these little things that degrade the overall experience
If I have to guess, they were probably trying to be humorous with that one.
@@cobaltundead i didnt go down the path to drangleic and i instead stood in that room trying to find out how to be teleported since i genuinely thought there couldnt be any way that a bunch of rocks would be the thing blocking me from this games anor londo equivalent, so i didnt think drangleic was down there.
The way they keep you from getting back to the first bonfire in the Lost Bastille is really gratingly stupid too.
Very nicely put together critique.
Rest easy, Biscuit
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I've never heard of the dude (just checked him up), but it's always sad to see someone go so early.
RIP
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In dark souls 2 the enemies look like theyre having more fun than you
Lmfao ur lion avatar. When you don't have a tooth pick so you use your tongue.
this comment is GOLD
"Instead of just climbing over the rubble, your character goes and kills four of the most powerful beings in existence"
Boy when I tell you that had me CRYING. I remember enjoying this review when it came out, but coming back to it is even better.
I must have missed this line, when was it
@@OtepRalloma 18:48
Thing in video game bad
@@graylyhen9490 yeah...
@@graylyhen9490 more, like, they easily could've done something with more flare and scope than just some rubble to motivate you to kill some of the most powerful badasses around. It's pretty bad, come on.
Me: what brightness do you play at?
Matthewmatosis: no
Lives on the sun
He really wanted the torch thing to work, didn’t he?
Tohab worked in bloodborne, did not in dark souls 2. Brightness aside
@RayneMoonfire You mean for bloodborne or dark souls 2?
@RayneMoonfire HAHHAHAH true true. DS2 devs prob back tracked on the torch mechanics hard at the last min
Bearer, seek, seek, lest
SO true :D
More like:
Be-se-se-le
Really love that chanting from the nexus keeper while emerald herald just not enough character development
Flashbacks of emerald waifu..
@@dahkteromar749 what are you guys talking about?
I think it was explained why Earthen Peak transitions to Iron Keep. I believe that was Willy Wonka's elevator the player stepped into
Pan Z or or or maybe it's cuz of the time breaking and reality breaking story
Lemmings-Gaming or maybe it's because the developers just didn't give a shit
Pan Z dude if they didn't give a shit they would have stop I mean this game almost went into development hell so chill and if the story explains a shit it's cool and my real problem with this game is that they put agility which controls how ur character moves behind a Stat screen and later on the game like dranlake castle too much enemies for those of us who don't use super ultra great swords that hit everything in its path and also if the story explains why it's like that it's okay
What the fucking fuck?
Pan Z I was giving multiple opinions in one comment
“Bro just level ADP”
@Daniel Keller Game does a horrible job of explaining how it works though
No amount of ADP will help you when the game goes A HIT IS A HIT when they aren't even close to grazing you
@@onion69420 what do you mean?
@@wuwei473 there are times when it's a clear miss but the game still registers a hit
@@onion69420 like in any soul game tbh.
This game has more ambushes and ganks than every other game ive played put together
Yeah I ganged by two NPC red phantom that throw lightning spears across bridge in those shitty graveyard area
The enemy placement and level design is awful in this game despite some are could be potentially so beautiful as example; the Dragon Shrine and Temple of Amanda could be optimised more
Play nioh
@MasterMoonfire Nooo yoU cAnT sAy that Dark Souls 2 iS gReAt ehm it has GrEaT PvP anD PowErsTanCing and ehm is orIginAl unlike DarK SoUlS 3
@MasterMoonfire I already did and it was really horrible st some points in the Game. So yeah Dark Souls 3 > Dark Souls 2
They should make an ultimate DLC for DS2 where you would finally get to fight that pile of rubble...
idk why this made me lol so much
With an improperly sized hitbox that's half as wide as the screen even though the sword itself will look like a thin piece of concrete veneer that's 6 inches wide.
But then a second pile of rubble comes
20 Large Humanoids weilding swords with hitboxes that are 20 miles wide and long. You need to use a shield, and you can only attack once every five minutes.
And then the pile of rubble pulls a Iudex Gundyr on you.
"a small pile of rubble blocks the way in a forest, so rather then climb over it... the character kills 4 of the most powerful beings in existence..."
LMAOO
Worse than Ride to Hell fence logic
@@numaisreginald3671 don't diss the best game ever made, Dark Souls 2 will never achieve that level of autism
@Linda Niemkiewicz killing 4 of the most powerful beings in existence to surpass rubble is a bit more than a nitpick
@Linda Niemkiewicz look up when you're in blighttown next time you play, it's still daytime. besides that, ash lake's setting is consistent when you see it in tomb of the giants, that's not just a "sky" i think. even if what you said was true, none of that is really comparable or relevant to what happens in ds2. this is a problem with ds2 so why are you bringing up ds1?
@Linda Niemkiewicz Looking at a model viewer for the game everything is interconnected, your making no sense. (And what do you mean they did not get doors right? If an enemy if literally standing next to your character you can't even open it, you don't even get invincibility frames opening it until late into the animation, this also applies to ladders. Dark Souls 1 doors were FAR from having this issue.)
I think my biggest criticism of the game is how unfair the fact that you can still get invaded while hollow, but can't summon while hollow is.
That's just DS2's modus operandi; be as unfair as possible.
@@CondemnedGuy That's true.
I love how Scholar of the First Sin doubled down on this by adding overleveled Red Phantom NPCs that invade you, even while hollow.
@@Pan_Z I know right? I mean, I feel like it was fair when in 1 that you couldn't be invaded while hollow, on top of not being able to summon. It felt consistent with the lore of the series.
@@Pan_Z Burning effigies doesn't even stop the NPC invaders either. There's no escaping Armorer Dennis and his OP sorceries.
For those who have been coming back and commenting recently, Matthew is taken a indefinite break from videos; he is currently developing a game.
Damn, fr? Good luck to him
@@0uttaS1TE yeah, all his patreon stuff is free if you want to keep up to date
Hope he does very well
I don't have Twitter so someone adding this underneath is super helpful.
And its name is Pagodamonium, uhh I mean Mushido.
I really want to know how the design meeting went for the Black Gulch.
''So after this area with these poison statues littered about we need a sweet area to lead up to the bossfight, anyone have any ideas?''
''How about we take those statues and put about 3 million of them all over the fucking place.''
''Amazing idea, add in some phantom spawn points, enemies that wall off your path and make some of those statues unreachable and it'll be perfect! Oh look at the clock! We've been working on this for about 5 minutes now, time to call it a day!''
+Casper Dar Agreed. I'd still take it over New Londo Ghosthouse any day and every day.
"And when the player destroys them, as soon as they die let's make all of them respawn!!"
"Yes!! That's the perfect fair challenge!"
Fuck this game.
+Casper Dar Yeah stopped playing at that point, i was like fuck it, and went onto completing 1 again
+Casper Dar i just ran past it all, it's pretty easy once you know the path and use lifegems accordingly
+Reathonax X If I'm having to run through an area because the area is just shit, then that's not a good sign for the rest of the game.
You know what shatters suspension of disbelief? That weird ass weightless walk/run animation.
+satellite964 Yeah! That bothered the fuck out of me when I went back to replay Dark Souls 2. The movement is just really fucking floaty.
Demon's Souls feels at least twice as floaty and no one says a word....
+Jonathan Straka Because it doesn't look like a jarring mess, it looks fantastical and strange. DaS 2 looks strange and uncomfortable.
+Jonathan Straka First game in the series, it'll get a few more passes. There's going to be kinks. Problems. You name it. 3rd game in the franchise? There's no excuse for that. Especially after the first Dark Souls fixing a lot of what was wrong with Demon Souls mechanically. DS2 somehow regressed.
it doesn't tho
The hit boxes tick me off the most when you clearly Dodge an attack and then your character teleported 2 ft and got hit and your left like 🙄
gotham hunters I hate the hitxboxes in dark souls 2
My absolute favorite is getting sucked into backstabs from another room.
Yep, happened a lot to me against Fume knight. Another glorious moment was when I saw that a chest was a mimic, I went behind it and started attacking it. The mimic then leaps forward (aka away from me) and I got teleported in front of it and got grabbed.
@@37metalgearsolid haha first time that happened to me I just shut my whole system down
This happens so much with the "grab" attacks
Man, after many years of discourse I came back to this and it's all still right on the money... and in some ways your critique was even being charitable.
Nick! :D
It's been a really refreshing rewatch recently with how often "Dark Souls 2" goes trending on Twitter from people calling it an "underrated masterpiece" and so forth. Nothing against people who enjoy it (I don't hate it myself), but it feels like one big gaslight, lol.
Calling it a gaslight feels incredibly right lmao. I used to fanboy the hell out of this game and rabidly defend it, but now I realise how stupid that was. Many fans of the game are way more vocal now and try to push some critiqued things as genius design and stuff.
@@derpi3438 Oh, absolutely. It's dumbfounding, for example, how often you'll see defenses of the illogical world design/harsh transitions between areas as being "intentionally dream-like to reflect the crumbling world of Drangleic". In reality, it's because the devs were under strict time constraints and were lacking key designers present for DS1/DeS. The idea of a distorted world is a great one, but there's no indication that the designers intended for the levels to reflect it - humans are the ones constantly alluded to as deteriorating, not the world itself. The Earthen Peak elevator is not some big-brain design, it's an elevator that was likely supposed to go down and not up (and into an area believed to originally belong beneath the fiery pit in Forest of Fallen Giants, no less).
On that note, what's most frustrating is how many fans "defend" the game by just... mocking the most-repeated criticisms. Making fun of people for bringing up the EP elevator, stuff like that. Because the more people say it, the more ridiculous a criticism it is, I guess? It's so weird.
There's nothing wrong with being okay with/ignoring these things as a fan of the game, but so many people feel the need to try and critically defend things instead of just accepting that they're flaws and not minding. I can understand wanting to fight back against the idea that DS2 is a downright terrible game (because it's not), but there's a very vocal portion of the community that seems more concerned with overhyping it than anything.
@@NoahRichard The phenomenon you touched on briefly where people repeatedly and wilfully mock valid criticism is one of my least favourite human behaviours in general. Basically what those people are doing is trying to create a stigma around mentioning said criticism. They know it's valid, and as a result they also know there is no way they can counter it in good faith. So instead what they're trying to do is disarm you intellectually by making you feel embarrassed to use it against them. It is extremely weaselly.
It's funny that even though he sounds nearly the same as in his other videos you can clearly hear that he has a kind of pissed off tone to his voice in this one.
+Arsch Dee His voice is far more stern than usual in this video, that's more than likely why.
Nah check Metal Gear Solid 4...
I had a go at him, because he was being far too negative.....
P K not really, he was pretty understanding with that game. He only sounded pissed when he talked about Johnny.
I'd sound like that too considering how shit of a game Dark Souls 2 is.
Very well thought out and valid points about the game. The lack of different enemy types really was quite annoying.
Try NG+
adding black phantoms of existing enemy types doesnt change the fact there is a lack of variety. i can only think of 3 new enemies added in NG+, and two of them are only in boss fights and the other is only in the things betwix.
oxis77gas Done NG+, was still not that hard. And the phantoms weren't unique, they were like phantoms of Demon's Souls in that the were existing enemies with more damage/health. In fact, DkS2 feels more like a sequel in terms of game mechanics and such to Demon's Souls than Dark Souls. And even then, I'd say Demon's Souls was better.
I watched hbomberguy's video before watching this and he makes you sound like a war criminal
Curious, whats your take now that you have seen both sides?
@@jackofnotrades4350 I still like Dark Souls 2, but now I respect Matt's opinion and now I'm taking every word of Hbomb with a grain of salt.
Especially the way he pokes fun at Matt for no reason other than to make him look like he knows nothing about Dark souls 2 is really infuriating.
@@sircallum Hbomb barely knows anything about the game himself. Didn't bother talking about adp and ignores so much lore. His video was rushed as hell. Mauler made a good response but be prepared it's long as hell.
@@thebuddah1253 mauler fucking massacred him lmao
On Miyazaki desiring immersion or atmosphere over difficulty for the sake of it, it baffles me how many people complain about bosses like Micolash or The Maiden Astraea or True King Allant or Gwyn being 'so easy its boring;'. I personally love those bosses and I feel as though they contribute to the overarching atmosphere immensely.
I'll use The Maiden Astraea as my primary example because that's probably my favourite boss battle in any game, ever. The art design of the arena tells a story, says without saying, and I know that's a core aspect of souls games in general but its especially apparent here. The music coupled with the running dialogue from both Astraea and Garl is immediately unsettling and eventually becomes self-disgust.
If you're the sort of player that exhausts NPC dialogue, you would know that a lot of people have been slandering the maiden... calling her impure, a traitor, a liar. This image of her which is entirely informed by biased and misinformed anecdotes is shattered almost immediately. Throughout the duration of the boss battle, the player is reckoning with the harsh reality that this former image of her is false, that this mission might be morally corrupt (if not morally ambiguous)- that this former cleric sacrificed her human form for the betterment of a rejected society... a selfless act which is twisted by a group of clerics who are taught to be selfless as well.
When she says 'take your precious demon's soul' and takes her life, I felt such a strong sense of guilt and disillusionment that has never been met by any other video game. THIS is what it means to make a game when you consider factors that aren't just 'it's hard'.
Your comment completely explains my love of the more novel bosses of demons souls, dark Souls, bloodborne, and sekiro. Criticising ds2 for this is also applicable to ds3 imo. Although I would still say 3 is a great game, just not a good souls game. Unlike what people say for 2.
@@Red-nl4lk I'd have to disagree with ds3 not being a good souls game. It is a blend of difficulty and challenge. Which is the core of the souls series.
@@turtlegrenade2757 personally I'd say it gets those elements right, but there are other bits that took it in a wrong direction. Stuff like world design, exploration, certain builds being nerfed without extreme stat and equipment investment, and the bosses. Not to say I dislike this game, I fucking love ds3. The level design, the art direction, certain bosses, the lore (for the most part). But there's a ton of things I'd criticize. And please understand that im a bit harsh on ds3 because I absolutely love fromsoftware and I just want them to be better.
@@Red-nl4lk ds3 was my first souls game so I kinda put it high up. But you do bring up the more outstanding issues with it. I kinda just forget about those issues when I play it lol because it's so fun for me. I think the one point I kinda disagree with is the exploration. It still has tons of the exploration from ds1 but it's held back by the linearity. But different strokes for different folks.
@@turtlegrenade2757 Hm. Yeah. There's still little branching paths like Arch dragon peak, irithyll dungeon, and cathedral of the deep. My biggest problem is the fact I never felt lost or wondering where I was. I appreciate that the team still took the effort to make the world still feel like it made sense for a fantasy setting, but that magic in previous games wondering where the hell you were just wasn't there for me. Also I know the generally accepted opinion is that the bosses are the best in the series but I might have to disagree. Still one of my faves though.
You've got to wonder what they were thinking when they mapped the area containing the Shrine of Winter.
I get the impression the Shrine of Winter would have worked a lot better as something along the lines of a checkpoint in the road, baring Castle Drangleic from the common people. That simple, it would at least somewhat rationalize why the player needs such an enormous amount of souls to pass, "The King's Magic Door says you're not worthy of entering Castle Drangleic, sorry. Come back when you have a stronger soul."
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But who in god's name made the genius decision to make the main road bared off by some easily surmountable rubble, and have the Shrine of Winter put on an *off path* instead?
Speaking frankly, it's about 3 different dimensions of design ineptitude.
If that archway hadn't collapse, or the player character arrived before it did so, the entire first half of the game leading up to that point would have been rendered *perfectly redundant.*
Taking into account a world which existed before the arch collapsed, why is there a Shrine on a hill near the road to the King's castle that opens only to those who have a powerful soul?
Looking back to the game at launch, before it became the warp point to Frozen Elleum Loyce, there was nothing precious hidden therein, and furthermore, if there ever was, why would a similar magic door not exist on the *other side* of the gazebo?
In a hypothetical situation in which there might in fact something worth hiding to the extent you'd place a door there that only opens to one with the strength of 1,000,000 souls OR the 4 souls of the Ancient Lords, why wouldn't you also put a similar door *on the other side?*
As opposed to an *open arch?* Not even a one way door that you could only open if you were on the inside?
And it only adds insult to injury when you consider the technical implications that somebody had to map all of this, to create both the initial ruined arch, the path snaking up through the hills, and the Shrine of Winter, and not have either idea pass through their heads; that not only would it not make a lick of sense in the context of the game, but also that it would save a lot of development time to simply remove the redundant path and road block and move the Shrine to the base of the hill where *it* could serve the role of the roadblock.
+Slug of Borg They've said in the designworks interview that most of the assets of the game were developed when they had other ideas in mind and they had to re-arrange everything because Namco pressured them.
It seems someone forgot about "Sealed by the Lord's Power"
"Without really knowing why..."
It's the philosophy for the dev team.
"This rotting cesspool of oldfolk and Degenerates" Is a perfect sum-up of the DS3 community.
Bless you both
@Linda Niemkiewicz Because that's the point of a hunter.
@Linda Niemkiewicz cause that's what hunter do. No further explantion needed.
@Linda Niemkiewicz Yeah that's fine. They are portrayed as a speck of dust in the cosmos of things.
Happy 10 year anniversary to this banger of a video. The influence is unmatched.
I'm glad someone finally pointed out the whole "enemy turns and faces you mid-attack". That always annoyed me about Dark Souls II, because, yeah, it pretty much just means that you can only really dodge backwards and then rush towards him as fast as possible in order to squeeze an attack in--rinse and repeat.
Actually, most of the bossess have too much reach to reliably do that. They basically made you focus on boosting your invincibility frames during a dodge roll to negate the heavy tracking and compounded that by making it extremely nebulous as to what exactly increases those frames. I got to level 104 thinking the game just had atrocious hit detection. Granted, the game DOES have janky as fuck hitboxes, but the lack of agility makes it all the more unmanagable. It makes you feel like some of the attacks are just designed to cheat you out of health to make the boss fight more difficult and with the agility mechanic I get the idea that was intentional.
@@blizzardregulus Yeah, without agility the game is significantly more frustrating, but the game also doesn't make it clear how dodges are affected by agility, which makes for an unfortunate experience for anyone who doesn't read the wiki. I played through the entire game without ever leveling my adaptability because I assumed it was similar to the resistance stat from DS1, which was entirely useless. Turns out, the most useless stat in DS1 is now the most vital in DS2. How was I supposed to know? On my second playthrough I leveled my adp right away and had a much more agreeable experience, but I still have a bitter taste in my mouth from that first playthrough. Plus, even with high adp, the hitbox issues are still enough to be infuriating at times.
@@jakeinator21 Everything you just said applied to Dark Souls 1, try to get someone to play the game without the wiki, NOTHING is explained.
@@thechugg4372 I played DS1 blind without the wiki for my first playthrough and it was still a manageable experience, despite the relative obscurity of its stats, because it doesn't place gameplay elements as vital as i-frames behind a stat value. Granted my experience with DS2's stats may have been different had I not played DS1 first, I may not have written ADP off as quickly were that the case. But the fact of the matter is I played DS1 blind and I loved it, and then a I played DS2 blind and I hated it. And lack of understanding of ADP was at the core of my distaste. And I'm not alone in that, I see new threads on the DS2 subreddit all the time from people saying they are frustrated that they take damage during rolls when it seems like they shouldn't. The fact is, DS1's obscurity simply doesn't have the same effect on the gameplay experience as the obscurity of ADP.
@@thechugg4372 I got the Claymore, felt nice and looked cool, saw Strength made it stronger, went Strength, beat the game no problem with a +15 Claymore. Literally nothing unclear there.
I still find it funny how most people who defend this game believe that those who criticize it think it's a bad game. By all means, it is still a great game, just the worst, or maybe a better term, weakest of the series. The Worst of the Best is still better than most
+Hunter Folyer Exactly. I agree with almost every criticism in the video, yet here I am playing the game and enjoying it.
+Hunter Folyer I know right, I don't enjoy Dark Souls 2, and would rather just play 1, but I don't think 2 is all that bad.
+Hunter Folyer I think it's a bad game. Not just bad for a Souls game, just plain bad.
+Son of Tiamat I'd have to disagree with you there. Dark Souls 2 is still a hell of a lot better than most of the usual drivel being released, even if it paled in comparison to the other games in the series.
K1llerTunes My thoughts exactly, it's not BAD, it's just not a good souls game.
As much as I love this game, I can't really disagree with anything you've said here
Which is a very good and healthy mindset. Alas, most people lack it.
Same
@Bazerker nah thats an objective flaw, pressing X/A 4 times to skip dialogue rather than having it play in the background is just time wasting on the player side.
Oh look DS3 has reverted back to how it was in Ds1 and Demon Souls, hmmm seems like Fromsoft agrees with Matthew's sentiment.
Geez what is it with most DS2 lovers hating anybody criticising their "Magnum Opus"
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Bazerker funny then that despite it being a nitpick. FromSoftware went out of their way to fix the dialogue so it runs in the background. Meaning it matter enough to be changed.
when dark souls 1 has bad design, it feels like an accident. when dark souls 2 has good design, it feels like an accident
Probably thats why Dark Souls 2 Scholar of The First Sin is hands down the best Dark Souls game in the franchise.
@@KapitanPazur1 gr8 b8 m8
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@@KapitanPazur1 You mean the game with an issue on screen literally at all times, with horrifyingly braindead design and no story?
Ok boss.
@@KapitanPazur1 Hell no, your telling me they re-release the game and they don't:
(And yes, this is going to be LONG, I am pissed off that they re-released it like this)
-Remove ADP and just give the player normal Estus drinking speed and normal I-frames on roll
-Make some new enemies instead of placing an undead horse in the kings castle for no reason
Not patching the changes in Scholar in the original because if you do that people have less of a reason to buy the re-release version.
-Falconer Run Cycle...I rest my case on that one...
-Giving more NPC's actual quest lines.
-Changing the Old Dragonslayers location and giving him a bigger role as a proper send off to Ornstein instead of.....A tiny building with an idiot that talks down to you with a single bonfire that is for the guy there then for Ornstein.
-Removing that bloody screen effect on bosses...Its literally just taking a texture off, a modder did it himself with little difficulty. Here is proof: www.nexusmods.com/darksouls2/mods/181
-Allowing you to move in 360 degree movement instead of like 8 directions...
-Making more tactical enemy placements instead of...Spambushes.
-Adding meaningful shortcuts.
-Giving you 5 estus to start but removing lifegems and most healing items except small things like Divine Blessings (Also being able to carry 1 divine blessing at a time not 99 of them)
I would go on but you guys might think I am desperate or something, so I'll leave it here.
I couldn't agree more with ya on the tracking and "sliding" enemies have.
The giant humanoid with big weapon doing arch attacks being overused argument is also spot on.
thanks for mentioning the sliding as the video didnt, having your 2nd/3rd swing miss enemies entirely because they have butter under their feet are frustrating as hell
And they have double down in Elden Ring.
@@illseeyaonthedarksideofthemoonthat they have lol.
Malenia hovers in the air for a few seconds and can spin 360 degrees in place before waterfowl dance.
Even regular enemies can change 180 degrees mid jump attack.
@@Thomas.c4647 The worst example in my opinion is Morgoth and his cane.
Without getting too hung up on the visuals, it's amazing how cheap DSII looks compared to Demons & DS1. I know it's probably a lighting issue, but the textures are so bland and washed-out.
it's not only the lighting that is responsible for this.
It's poorly textured, you can literally tell when textures are repeating themselves. Othes souls games had that too but only in areas you're not supposed to be in and so rarely that it's easy to miss. In DaS2 it just jumps straight into your Eyes in almost every level. Also there is less stuff lying around. Less furniture to break, less rubble. Some Rooms even are completely empty. Compare that to every souls ever where the envoriment was so detailed that you could imagine what was going on before you arrived. DaS2 lacks that completely. And the sad part is that the Alpha previews looked way more detailed, better textured, better ligthing and had way more detail in them.
I think that dark souls 1 is straight up the best looking game of all soulsborne games.
While obviously the objective graphical fidelity is better in dark souls 3 and arguably bloodborne, the way that dark souls 1 uses colors and contrasts in the world together with the very well succeeded artstyle and direction just make it so much better looking than any else of the games.
Also hopefully this clusterfuck of a comment is understandable, english isn't my native language.
Arguably Bloodborne?
The way the game plays with light is astonishing.
Not a single object in the game looks out of place.
I died several time because I was staring at the environment and didn't notice the danger.
It looks better than DS3 (besides smoldering on the MC - damn, that looks awesome).
When I played DS1 I actually disliked the way they used contrast and colors. For me it looks like bad, unfinished shaders, expecially on more 'shiny' objects.
That being said, DS2 lighting is a joke and looks so flat. Worst looking game in the series (sunshafts are the best though).
BlaQ
The retarded filters on bloodborne ruin the game's aesthetics for me right from the get go.
And the artstyle doesn't really click with me, it feels overly . . edgy.
BananaSopuli Yea, I guess filters might seem a bit too try-hard to some people.
I think the overabundance of bonfires and lack of shortcuts was a result of the new weapon degradation crap.
If the bonfires were as few and far between as they were in Dark Souls 1, it'd be impossible to make it through an area without your weapon breaking.
Victor Viridian Then what's the point of weapon degradation at all?
I hate my only decent weapon breaking on me as much as the next guy, but can't help but feel this is yet another missed opportunity. There could have been certain weapons with very low durability but some powerful special abilities or stats in general, allowing (but not forcing) some weapon variety in melee only builds without gimping yourself. As it is now you can just pick your favourite all-rounder and never have to worry once about durability unless you go rolling in that orange gunk, never even thinking about using something else because you'd have to invest a bunch of souls and materials into making it worth using.
NabsterHax
Right. Not to menton te fact that if they wanted the weapon degradation to be so important as a mechanic they should have made the road to the boss battle more easy to cheese. The way they made it looks like they WANTED us to fight our way to the boss over and over. I'm not upgrading 2 weapons just to have a spare sword.
NabsterHax this could simply be fixed without the bonfire "weapon fix", i think its stupid that a weapon can't survive a boss fight even if you don't use it before that specific fight (I'm talking about after the first play-through ... , in the first game run i didn't have problems at all). if the weapon didn't automatically fix herself wen you rest, and the durability would be extended to 2 or 3 times the original, having to fix it trough magic/items would make a a good option, the mechanic would be logic and not cheap
NabsterHax Add to that PC bug with 60fps that makes weapons degrade two times faster as the game was build around 30 fps. \o/ B-team for the win.
Tomasz Zakrzewski Add to that the fact that SoTFS didn't fix it. The only thing SoTFS did was up the graphics to unnoticable levels and kept adding more enemies as if that wasn't one of the core complaints of the fucking game.
SoTFS could've redeemed my faith in the B-Team but completely destroyed it instead.
What a well articulated video, hopefully a smug English man doesnt take your video out of context to make you look bad!
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@@neocell710look up “In Defense of Dark Souls 2”
i can see Miyazaki rolling his eyes watching DS2 gameplay
u f dumb
"Vendrick should have defended his kingdom by building more doorways" best analysis of dark souls 2 I have ever heard
I agree with every word of this video, the main part for me is how forgettable the game was, I spent over a year away from the original Dark Souls, and the game is burned into my brain, I can literally visualise the world and walk around it inside my head, I can remember exactly what enemies are where and what strategies I use to beat them, I can remember my characters armour from different points in the game, which weapons I was using for specific levels etc... I can remember every boss and I remember every bosses name and how I fought it/them, I can remember the name of every area/level.... Dark Souls 2 is a few months old, I completed it in a week and I can barely remember anything about it in detail!
But in the original, even after over a year away from it, I can really remember everything down to the tiniest detail without even having to look at the game. And I think that's because everything in the original felt meaningful, the game was so hard that you remembered where the enemies were, what strategies you use on them etc... You remembered the layout of the world, and upgrades/leveling up was extremely meaningful because of the difficulty thus you never forget.
I felt that Dark Souls 2 was a walk in the park in comparison, and because of this, leveling up and reinforcing my equipment was almost meaningless and totally forgettable, in Dark Souls 1, upon discovery of a treasure chest or an ember, I'd have a freaking orgasm almost, this is dulled in the sequel to the point of meaninglessness.
Just my two cents, I felt like what I was doing had no meaning, awesome video!
I can't believe how accurately you described how I feel... Glad I'm not the only one.
Yep, feel the same exact way.
Same feeling
yep same for me too the level was so well made twisting on itself i felt like it was real
same feeling
Well I'm not having a "freaking orgasm almost" whenever I find an item, but I am having a blast with DkS2. Different strokes.
the clumping of large enemies is honestly the worst thing for me about dark souls 2, simply frustrating.
@Linda Niemkiewicz The thing is, in 90% of the time those said groups are balanced and enemies can be easily fought. Undead burg and Undead parish's groups are consisted of REALLY weak enemies that can be dealt with in a matter of seconds, for example. In DS 2, on the other hand, you can be easily ambushed by a group of enemies which feel like they really were not designed to be fought in groups, which can cause a stunlock right to the state of death.
@@dorn7523 90% are balanced.. Like those giants guarding the ember in catacombs? Or 3 skele dogs who could 2 shot you and they were placed in a location with very little sight? How about bonewheels that wont stop inflicting damage unless they slide off you? How about copy pasted capra and taurus demon in demon ruins? How bout the pre patched dragon asses in lost izalith with boss like damage? Are those balanced? Also, about being ganked in any souls game.. Have you heard of a BOW, mate?
@@farlonmuentes6004 Have you also heard of 90% of giant enemies in Dark Souls 2, like those rats with mamoth giants in Doors of Pharos, or maybe you should visit fucking Heide's Tower in SoTFS after you kill Dragon Rider, when FOR NO FUCKING REASON AT ALL every knight awakens and starts killing you with INSTANT attacks and stunlocks, instant 180 degree pivots that SURPASS A FUCKING SHIELD and are supported by a giant knight at every turn as well? Or should I remind you of DLCs in general? Like Dragon Sanctum's dragon asses (Yes, they are also in "PERFECT" DS 2), Brume Tower's ridiculous placement of enemies which can deal up to 80% of your HP in a SINGLE SERIES OF 3 ATTACKS, while also being in numbers of 7 IN A SINGLE ROOM, while being supported by ranged enemies? OH I REMEMBER, how about super sanics in Crown of the Ivory King? Which can kill you in 4 seconds JUST BECAUSE YOU FUCKING STAND NEAR THEM.
About the bow point...I have never felt being forced to use a bow in Dark Souls 1, but Dark Souls 2 literally is built around bow, so if I want a pure melee, I can suck a dick? Way to give "Options", From Soft, nice.
Yeah, large groups of weak enemies is a very different beast from a group of large enemies, whose attack radius is huge and tends to interlock with their friends.
Oh, and THE FUCKING BELFRY GARGOYLES. There's not a single boss fight I hate as much as them right now.
I wonder why people are still getting mad at this video.
Literally in the beginning he said he doesn't think Ds2 is an outright bad game and even said that he would rather play it then most others that came out at the time. And even though he goes pretty hard on this game, I feel that any developer who worked on this game and would come back to watch this video only has useful insight to gain and nothing else. He isn't trying to tarnish anybody's reputation here. he is simply giving his thoughts ands opinions on a video game.
There's been a weird backlash against Dark Souls 2 criticism.
Because DaS2's """"enjoyers"""" genuinely believes themselves to be gigachads who can appreciate a single thread of gold in a pile of shite.
@@nigrum_angelum6655 Having beaten both the original and remix versions of DS2, there is so much good in these games that it is completely disregarding them as bad that reveals a lack of sense for design. FromSoft is not a perfect studio, Dark Souls 1 is half flaws, half qualities. Yet it is easy to see it's a masterstroke of a game still right? That's because you managed to understand it there and yet got filtered here. It's fine.
Most souls fans today would bounce off of Kingsfield hard for example, because it does many different things and its flaws can be very in your face. Yet those are revered titles in their own genre all the same. And you'd be a fool to claim them bad.
@@dopaminecloud that's a lot of words just to somehow say that I have a skill issue. The fact that I agree with Matthewmatosis in general regarding Dark Souls 2 vanilla, and to an extent MauLer' with his defense/review/critique of the SotFS should tell that I understand the game enough to recognize that it's still far too flawed when measured against the standard that was Dark Souls 1 and even the OG Demon's Souls, no?
@@nigrum_angelum6655 There is no skill issue when you can't see qualities. The ability to experience the good parts of a work is something nebulous, often more relying on your mood at the time of play than any past experience or capacity for discernment combined. I'd say measured against dark souls 1 that dark souls 2 is overall a lot more consistent yet highlights different qualities of the dungeon crawling experience. That is to say, many of the things it does are neither better nor worse, only different. All I can tell you is that dark souls 2 highlights elements that elevate it in parts above anything dark souls 1 managed to deliver in how it handles progressing through dungeons and as that is essentially the core gameplay if you aren't invested in the multiplayer or pattern-grinding of the few bosses that require it, it remains a truly fantastic action rpg.
I am only now playing through Demon's Souls so I can't comment on that though I can see the ways in which DS2 is much more like it than DS1 is.
It feels like the devs could afford to be frustrating in gameplay and design because they knew fans would defend it by saying "it's suppose to be hard"
Only when it's well designed and makes sense within context of the game can the "it's supposed to be hard" argument makes sense like in plenty of other valid games that do that well.
I think this game is good for people who are brand new to the franchise, or who may have played Dks here and there, then put it down. However, I honestly don't see how a person who has invested a lot of time into either, Des or Dks, can ignore the flaws in this game.
With me saying that, I'm sure some wise-guy will reply, "You act like Des and Dks were perfect." My response is, "no," I don't think they were perfect. I just think Dks 2 should have been "developed" from the solid foundation already established in the previous titles. I also expected for many of the mistakes from previous Souls games to not be repeated in Dks 2. I hope this will not be the last installment in the franchise. But I do wish, however, that lessons can be learned from the mistakes made in Dks 2.
I agree with you 100%. If there is a game for new souls players to get into it would be dark souls 2. But for the veteran souls players who played both Des and Dks extensively putting in hundreds or even thousands of hours this game is a real disappointment.
Don't try to label anyone who likes the game as someone who isn't familiar with the series. That's a low and invalid claim. Many people really enjoy Dark Souls II and they might have put a lot more time into Demon's and Dark Souls than you did. Don't think that just because you don't like it, anyone else familiar with the series also does not. I'm not saying Dark Souls 2 doesn't have flaws, but it did address a bunch of them regarding PvP.
Zevvion Thanks for the comment.
You are correct. Only people that have never played any souls game would take interest in this game. It really is a poorly designed game. The only people that I've seen that really enjoy the game are those whom subscribe to EpicNameBro.....the biggest sellout of them all.
Zevvion Did you pay any attention to my statement? Never once did I label "anyone who likes the game as someone who isn't familiar with the series." What I said was, " I honestly don't see how a person who has invested a lot of time into either, Des or Dks, CAN IGNORE THE FLAWS IN THIS GAME." As you can see, I never once said anything about the degree to which a person enjoys the game or not. My statement was about experienced players and ignoring flaws.
Soul of the mind, key to life's ether
Soul of the lost, withdrawn from its vessel
Let strength be granted, so the world might be mended
So the world...might be mended...
Nostalgia, cant wait for the remake!!
Bearer seek seek lest
@@edgarallanpwned6666 well... it came out
Wrong game
@@donatematchacookie 29:38
Holy moly, the DS2 fanboys are still crying to this day
this is a vid from 2014... it's 9 years old at time of writing
It's been *9 sodding years*
Just move on already jeez
I would agree with your point of fanboys seething 9 years later, but 9 years later and you're doing the same thing. Just from the opposing side. DS2 defenders vs DS2 rationalists are the same people, both annoying, just different view slightly
@@pentexsucks43 Disagree, I'm not down there in the kiddie pool writing 3000 word essays defending DS2
I came back to this vid while binge watching Matthewmatosis vids again and saw how many of the recent comments are still malding
the exploding knees outside the bonfire with the spell vendor in the lost bastille is one of the most stupid things i've seen in dark souls 2. what a ridiculous decision
+burningfajitasalt After dealing with that bs multiple times now, seeing other people bash that decision is almost therapeutic.
+burningfajitasalt
For me the most stupid thing i've seen in souls is The Black Gulch area, every part of it.
+Mondestrasz Hey, at least it ends quickly enough.
*****
The problem isn't that there are mummies, it's that you unlock a vendor that can easily be killed by the mummies. I'm pretty sure that spawning at that bonfire aggros them too, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
*****
They don't aggro? Huh fair enough I guess. Still though, did they really have to program Straid so near to the door? I was hoping that he'd just go to one corner of the cell after you revived him. Even if they're easy to deal with, they still shouldn't exist in the game. They only serve to fuck up a player's day. Especially since they do tons of damage, and its easy to forget about them. Straid isn't exactly someone I visited frequently, and I assume some people's experiences were similar.
Watching this video it's just baffling how much better Dark Souls 1 looks graphically. Is it just the lighting? Dark Soul 2 looks so drab aesthetically when shown beside the original.
Yeah, Dark Souls 1 definitely has better lighting effects than Dark Souls 2. It may not have better textures or render distances, but Dark Souls 1 overall still looks more realistic. It also has much more consistent art design too.
+Hark It's ridiculous, because Dark Souls 1 on my PS3 looks better than a maxed out Dark Souls 2 on my PC. Everything looks so bland. Objectively, the DS2 on PC versions would be the one with a higher resolution, more AA, better framerate etc., but none of these advantages are ever used properly. it just ends up as a bland graphical experience.
+Hark Look at SotFS. It's a whole lot better
+go fuck yourself Actualyl Dark Souls 1 has better textures than DS2. DS2 has probably the worst texture work of any game made by a "serious" company in the last 10 years. Earthen Peak still gives me shivers (bad shivers, not good ones :D )
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BubuSnow93
It's legit baffling how godawful that game looks -- like, from a design perspective I can understand it fumbling because Miyazaki was busy with Bloodborne, but they could have just used the DS1 engine whole cloth and had a better looking game.
I honestly don't understand why the Hunstman's Copse bonfire and shortcut is designed that way. A useless shortcut that goes from the new bonfire back to the previous bonfire. Who needs that when you already have fast travel? And then they have a perfect spot to put a ladder you can kick down so you can skip most enemies on the way to the boss fight, but nope, you have to run through/kill a bunch of gank enemies everytime you want to go to the boss arena.
Would've been a great map design if only they had removed the 2nd bonfire and add the ladder to the boss fight.
Matt says bonfire warping was probably added early in development, but I don't know if that's right. The Copse bonfires make way more sense if warping was added almost as an afterthought halfway through. Or maybe the level designers just forgot about warping while designing some areas.
Just seeing the enemies tracking like that while trying to get behind them still fills me with rage.. lol. Amazing review.
3 months after vid's release. Fanboys are still dishonest and simple minded as ever with no counter argument about the critique at all. At least, i saw true fans of the series i learned more about the games. Faith on humanity restored.
A true fan doesn't blindly defend what they love. A true fan should harshly critique what they love so developers can fix flaws in a patch or sequel
***** Like this video?
Dan S Exactly what i think, sir.
***** Indeed. I saw a lot of thing that i didn't know about the first games and even learned more about gameplay. :)
Why do I have to have a counter argument? I like Dark Souls 2. I'm not angry that he doesn't.
Look, the funny thing about critique is that its an eye of the beholder thing. It can be a valid point to one person, and not matter at all to another. I think this is one hell of a well thought out piece though, even if I disagree with most of it.
I'm waiting for your Critique of Dark Souls 3
+Mike the Man You mean that's how long it takes him to make quality content, whether he is positively destroying a game that deserves it (Dark Souls II) or praising a game that deserves it (Wonderful 101).
But still, 5 months is a little excessive.
He's not going to buy the game until either all of the DLC or its equivalent of Scholar of the First Sin is released.
Which, honestly, is the smartest way to go about things.
Especially considered how good DaS2's DLC is. I may not like the main game, but man, Yui saved that game with those DLC areas.
@Joshua As in the DLC was how the actual game was suppose to be, while the initial release we got was just sub-par. And calling it sub-par is me trying really hard to be nice. If you need dlc to make you game good you've failed, especially as a sequal.
+UchihaDualStorm
that's what I keep saying about destiny to the mass load sycophants on my friends list. after I spend 60 dollars on a shitty meat grinding simulator you will not endear me by saying I can play a slightly above average meat grinding simulator for 40 more dollars.
Paraphrase: "The reason these boss fights are hard is because they are so boring that you want to see if you can get another hit in thus risking death"... NAILED IT. That's what I keep thinking exactly. It happens in DS1 too on certain bosses, but in DS2 this is like a virtue for the whole game. There is no break. The enemies seem to have endless stamina while you have to struggle against your limitations. Completely unfair. Incredibly boring.
That's a nitpick. Maybe use less equipment and Cloranthy's ring for better stamina regen and stop being greedy. I don't wanna sound rude or annoyed, but it's that simple.
@@chaoticstarfish3401 More stamina doesn't help. You are right, it is a nitpick, so why are you commenting on it? And why do people get so defensive about a damn video game. I didn't even say I don't like the game!!! I just made a nitpick. You said it yourself. So why do you have to make something of it and get so damn defensive about this game. If there is anything is TRULY DO HATE about DS2 it is THIS type of problem, where the community is extremely defensive.
You do sound rude. You do sound annoyed. It is obviously an opinionated topic. If you start arguing with other people's opinions you are being rude and annoying. If you find yourself annoyed by other people's opinions about a game, you are rude and annoying.
@@BrendonArt Now you're the one sounding rude and annoyed. I know everyone has different opinions and I'm not trying to change that, I just said there are solutions to your problem. Sorry for the inconvenience.
@@chaoticstarfish3401 Sorry. I'm having a very bad ... year. I'm sure you can understand :( But I think it's silly to comment on comments sometimes. I was just venting. You are right. Hard work and smarter efforts will make the game easier. But sometimes that's not always what we want to hear.
The DLC bosses of DS2 are the only good bosses.
"Misrepresenting the product isn't an acceptable way to treat potential customers" is a statement that needs to be said a lot more often now after games like Final Fantasy 7 Remake and Hyrule Warriors: Age of Calamity that had their very *premises* misrepresented by their respective pre-release marketing.
I feel sorry for the uploader. Some of these comments in the comments section are outrageous.
***** wut?
***** I believe there has been a big misunderstanding on your part.
***** What my first comment was initially taking about was some of the rude and un-constructive criticism he was getting from select few, i.e. things like "lol shut the fuck up and enjoy the game".
***** your sad just so sad!
SageofToads
He made many good points, though. Ok, I disagree with a few points he made... but that certainly shouldn't put the other points down as well.
Which points made you feel " sorry" for him?
I know it's probably just your accent, but I loved it when you said "the gutter is the turd time this setting had been used in three games."
SuperSupermanX1999
* "The gutter is the _turd_ time this setting had been used in _tree_ games."
SuperSupermanX1999 One of my regular customers at work is Irish, and I enjoy every conversation we have due to that amazing accent. :)
Finally somebody gives Oscar the recognition he deserves.
THANK you.
Came from hbomberguys video and it’s crazy how many things he didn’t include.
Edit: well look at the cesspit I’ve created.
@bored weirdo He's basically the best
@@SinHurr the best at lying and purposefully ignore valid critisism because it wouldn't work with his narrative
@@SinHurr The best at filming his girlfriend being banged by numerous other men.
Because Hbomb is a fucking hack
That's his MO
I'm having a blast with DS2 and yet I think this was a fantastic critique; watched the whole thing. A lot of the stuff they did was lazy, though it is still a very fun game.
giant dad Hey now, there's nothing wrong with liking a game, even though it has flaws. And don't get me wrong, I'm not a big fan of this game either.
Im not happy that they jam packed it with like 10 useless bosses. I feel like the excuse they were on a time limit is bullshit seeing as they unnecessarily made the DSII map so huge and packed with useless space that was unneeded. But even with all that. DSII is a good game. They should NOT have done what they did. But I make my peace with it. As I have no plan to ever touch the title again.
aldia doesn't give you a soul
Hey its that dude from DBD. Hi
@@gael9181 dude, what was that for?
It's interesting going back to this video after playing Dark Souls 3 and realize they actually did do several of the proposed ideas throughout like the soul level/weapon level matchmaking and covenant items not requiring ring slots.
+Cionyl also removed poise, magic sucks, bosses are dudes in armor, not interconnected world as in ds1 hmmm alot better yeah lol
+PsyGnosiS it is much better than Dark Souls 2, just disliked the amount of bonfires they had and for some people such as Matthew, the lack of repercussion when switching covenants.
Sup Bryan I agree it's better than ds2 but still think this critique is bullshit, he should make critique video for DeS, DS1,(DS3) to be fair. All these games have flaws and still being awesome not only DS2.
I don't know about DaS3 but both DeS and DaS1 were a lot better than DaS2, which was really lacking in immersion, smart level design, enemy placement and specially item placement. These were all key factors that made the previous games as good and enjoyable as they were.
Just like Demon Souls and Dark Souls then. Recently played all the old souls game again, and they were much easier than I remembered.
Dark Souls 2 is kind of an example of flanderization. Focusing on the "git gud" aspect way too much while ignoring others.
Exactly this. I knew things were going to be bad once I saw the death counter in Majula. It was so completely unnecessary.
some games for you
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@@jacobsb374 aaaaaand you can go fuck yourself bud
@@devynmalu lmao only simps get all sensitive about that simple fact
Black Haze ohhhhh got em. nice job try harder next time
"the gutter is the turd time" you're damn right
The single most broken gameplay feature in the game is the ability to repair rings, Never once did i fear dying in DS2 due to being able to repair the Ring of Sacrifice
***** What? But if you die, doesn't it break and vanish like in Dark Souls? Hold on, I gotta check this......Oh god no. No. Really?? Just... ... ... wow. I never knew that. Thank god I didn't, I guess.
Dr Famine Yep, doesn't vanish, just repair that sucker, and whole game is pretty much broken.
***** Have you played Sotfs? The ring of sacrifice costs around 15K souls to repair now.
Lavos YT I haven't, but in base game it was a joke.
Lavos YT Does Scholar of the First Sin change the game in many positive ways?
I've seen some of the new enemy spawns, and pretty much "NOPED" immediately due to obvious emphasis on hard, frustrating fights, rather than interesting ones.
So the moral of the story is: Should there be another Souls game, PLEASE BRING MIYAZAKI BACK!!!!
I AGREE WITH U 100%'i sadly knew this would happen
Yeah, FromSoft just hornet ring bs'ed us and looked skyward afterwards.
It's 2021 and I had the chance to get Dark Souls Remastered; I really, really liked it, so I decided to play through Dark Souls 2. It wasn't long into that journey that I realized I wasn't having nearly as much fun, and that it felt... really different in ways I couldn't entirely put my finger on. I started to realize that a lot of areas felt cheap, with layers of difficulty not found in the first game, like having Poison, Petrify, multiple enemies, and something firing at me from ranged all at the same time. Playing through the first DLC, I remember thinking, "none of this area makes any logical sense! No one would have ever lived in a place like this!" The final drop down to the boss in that DLC cinched it for me, since it was just broken platforms and torn up staircases that if they where whole, they'd lead nowhere or into a wall for no reason; their whole purpose was to BE broken for you to use to go down to the boss.
That was the point I really started wanting answers. This video REALLY helped a lot in defining what I was feeling by exposing design elements. Talking about the enemy tracking helped a ton; it was something I couldn't put my finger on but was annoying the hell out of me on why enemies were feeling much cheaper this time around; some just don't run out of stamina and their hits are like heat-seeking missiles.
I wish I could give you TWO thumbs up on this video! Thank you very much for putting this together. It's been very cathartic and helpful to see that what I'm not alone and seeing which design choices helped feed that unease and resentment. I knew I could label a few of them, but watching this video gave me, "I coulda had a V8!" moment a bunch of times where I nearly yelled out, "Of course! That's it!!!" Great job, man! Thanks again!
46:22 "Without Miyazaki directing, this game may as well be fan fiction. The difference being some fan fiction writers would have the good sense not to bring back the spirit of every major boss from the last game"
Fast Forward to Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker, A.K.A. Fan Fiction: The Movie
Bruh moment
They all are fan fiction and a terrible one at that. Disney could've paid $100 quintillions, but when the movies are less competent and knowledgeable about lore and universe than some teenage fans in their fics, there is just no way to seriously see them as canon.
@@n.k.63 yeet
@@n.k.63 i saw an article thats states every single plot hole and lore change and the conclusion was that you literally can't have the new trilogy be cannon while the original trilogy is. You have to choose one , they do not work together.
True that. There were parts of the DS2 story that felt like a fan fic, but there were certain parts that were very good. The same can't be said about the new Star wars films unfortunately.
Dark Souls 1: Here's the Whip Knight. You fight him in a forest.
Dark Souls 2: Here's a whip. The item description says that this whip belonged to a very famous knight who has long been forgotten.
Dark Souls 3: Here's the Whip Knight, only this time he's called the Whip Warrior and he has different but still similar armour. You fight him in a snowy forest.
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@@iamnotinvolved1309 A whip is a rope that you hit someone with.
DS3 is the worst of the the entire franchise.
DS1 > Bloodborne > Demon Souls > DS2 > DS3
For PvP it's an easy....
DS2 > DS1 > Dogshit > Flaming Dogshit > Flaming Dogshit that fucking heals when you try to extinguish it > Bloodborne > DS3
nice bait
@azio91 True..true...
"Without MIyazaki directing this game may as well be fan fiction. The difference is some fan fiction writers would have the sense to not to bring back the spirit of every major boss from the last game" - Matthewmatosis
Yeah well look at what happened with ds3 lmao
@@seaman_de_man That they actually bothered to continue the story of 1?
@@StephanuSneed they didn't continue it they just haphazardly threw in many aspects of 1 and some of 2 and called it a day
@@seaman_de_man No. They continued the story of the Way of White, Lloyd and Gwyndolin, having Lloyd be rejected by the WoW and Gwyndolin take his role, while building a city for the descendants of the gods, only to then be vored by one of them.
They showed us what the legacy of Artorias became, with undeads devoid of purpose taking it up knowing full well they will end up like him.
They showed us the end of the race of demons, with Quelana finally going back home and getting slaughtered together with what remained of her family.
They showed us what became of Gwyn's childrens.
They showed us the logical conclusion of the chosen undead being able to link the fire, which is a kingdom forming with the purpose of continuously doing it, as Lothric does, and building institutions to do so, like the order of Fire Keepers we see in that game or the shrines.
And they showed us the logical end of a world where the flame is continuously being linked, that being a giant desert of ash.
They didn't "haphazardly threw in many aspects of 1 and some of 2 and called it a day", they developed the world to its logical conclusion, continuing and finalizing character arcs and plot threads from 1.
Which is what a sequel, especially the final one of the series, should do. Unless it's trying to do something unique like DS2 did, trying to tell a more personal story, which is why i can forgive the game for not trying to do what DS3 did. I'm just glad they brought by Miyazaki for the final installment.
Well, despite the third game retreading the same story again, I'm gonna be honest, what could Miyazaki have done in that world? I think he felt a little bit creatively pigeonholed by that game. I actually like the way ds3 has you killing the reincarnated forms of previous beings who have linked the fire before that refuse to do it again. Original? No, but still alright for what he could have done with dark souls 3. Ideally, you'd set each dark souls game in completely different settings with vastly different goals, but unfortunately that didn't happen...
Yeah I gotta say the red pulsing effect during Boss cutscenes has me head scratching
Its hilarious that the DS2 fanboys are still coping in the comments 9 years later
Ikr, like it's not a horrible game but some of these DS2 defenders will say that it's the best in the series
@@nikthedestroyalator6796it is
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@@zakariamoustatia3034 Lol
It’s the worst game objectively but it’s my personal favourite
I just realized that I never used the lock on feature in Dark Souls 2. And now I remember exactly why, it was a handicap against the frequent groups you'd run across all the damn time.
The first bit is so true. Dark Souls 1 was about learning and overcoming. Even the supposed "bullshit" tricks followed general principles and served to teach you something about the game. e.g. The first time you get chomped on by a mimic, sure it's new but a) you _have_ been taught to be suspicious of items and b) it's in an area where you've been forewarned about traps. Sure there are other cases of bullshit (clipping through walls, Bed of Chaos, Centipede Demon, camera bullshit...) but they feel like the design team made a mistake. Dark Souls 2 is very different: even in the first area it feels like the design team is _trying_ to make you fail.
Also, the structure and pacing of the experience is just awful. When you first arrive at Majula, you're basically told "go everywhere and eventually you'll find something important". Now I've read plenty of posts saying "that's intentional", "it's a mystery", "figure it out yourself" (and even "it's an allegory for life"). Being intentional doesn't make something good and none of these excuses fly because:
1) DS1 still achieved that sense of mystery and hopelessness while providing overarching goals (rings the bells => go through Sen's to Anor Londo => lord souls => kiln) and context for specific areas and bosses.
2) That's not an excuse for having no interest curve. Let's just compare Forest of Fallen Giants to Undead Burg/Parish. In DS1, you go through the area learning the mechanics, you've beaten the Taurus Demon so you're on a bit of a high, you head towards the church because that's obviously where the bell is then you hit your first major setback, the Gargoyles. A new player will probably die several times here but after upgrading your weapons or summoning allies, you beat them and are rewarded with a moment of calm and your first goal. It's been difficult but you feel like you've accomplished something. Now in DS2, you swiftly bend over the Last Giant, probably wander around trying to figure out where to go then hit a similar challenge in The Pursuer. And after you beat him you get... nothing. No goal, no change, no sense of why you did any of that. Given this is clearly meant to be the first area, it's a colossal let-down.
I really hate all the chest thumping about how "hard" Dark Souls was (as if beating any game makes you a more impressive person...) because it eclipses everything else that made that challenge engaging. In seems in DS2, the design team made the same mistake.
How is centipede demon bad? I see people complain a lot but if you just go to the right you have a reasonably large area to fight him away from the lava
@Linda Niemkiewicz Being told "you won't know why you're doing anything" isn't enough to create motivation. Like Matthew said in the video, this seems like the designers misunderstood how mystery was used (and how it wasn't) in the first game. And about the Pursuer, yes, you're transported to the Lost Bastille. But you have no idea what you're there for and, more importantly, you _still_ have no idea what you were doing in FoFG. The only reward you get is the very gamey feeling of beating a level (even the Drangleic set you're likely to miss if you use the nest straight away). You have no sense of accomplishing anything in the world until you kill the Lost Sinner and even then you don't know why this matters until you try going to Drangleic Castle.
I'm not saying every area needs to have an important goal. Transit areas are fine (DS1 had loads) but you need to know *why* you're transiting through them. For comparison, in DS1 you're told that the second bell is in Blighttown "far below" so descending through Lower Undead Burg and The Depths (with *very* deliberately chosen names) feels like making progress. Then you're told than Sen's is the way to Anor Londo. Even in the lategame, it makes sense that to find "the First of the Dead" you should go through the area with all the graves and skeletons and The Witch of Izalith has been associated with fire and demons since the opening cutscene (+ you'll hopefully remember the name "Chaos Witch Quelaag") so going through the Demon Ruins makes sense. The Four Kings you're told directly are in New Londo. The only arbitrary one is associating The Duke's Archives with Seath.
P.S. I don't think DS3 handled it terribly well either. The feeling I got arriving in Firelink Shrine was "you know how this shit works by now, get on with it". I haven't played Bloodborne but from what I've heard that approach is thematically relevant to that game + it makes sense in-universe because you're literally employed to hunt the monsters.
Robert R DS2 isn’t about mystery, it’s about the inevitable. I’m pretty sure this whole experience has gone several miles over your head if you agree with anything in this critique.
Trying to argue DS1 is anything other than hugely vague is laughable I mean the way you get to lower undead burg is about the least intuitive bit of level/quest design I’ve played in a game post 2006. I mean if anything, what you’re told at the start makes you think you can get to both bells from firelink shrine (which you can’t without the master key) And that’s just miles from the truth.
Basically what all these criticisms of DS2 come down to is; YOU don’t want to learn a new game and it’s mechanics. DS2 (with the dlc) has the best 2 bosses in any Soulsbourne game and the best level to boot.
Also the design decisions made in DS2 carry through, almost completely, to bloodbourne which is widely regarded among critics and the informed public as the game of the generation/decade so I find it bizarre anyone has this much negative to say about its immediate spiritual predecessor!?
@@fioredeutchmark Trying to analyse other commenters' mental states or motivations is dickish and stupid but in this case I'm happy to return fire. If you think the PLOT, not the lore, of Dark Souls 1 is "hugely vague", clearly you don't understand the difference and this video went over your head.
The main plot is a series of clearly expressed goals: immediately Oscar tells you to ring the Bell of Awakening. As soon as you arrive in Firelink, the crestfallen warrior tells you there are 2 bells, 1 in the church and 1 in Blighttown. After you do that, Frampt is waiting in Firelink and tells you to go through Sen's Fortress to Anor Londo. You then give the Lordvessel to Frampt (or Kaathe) who tells you who to kill for the 4 lord souls. Then you go back to the kiln to fight Gwyn and either kindle or snuff out the First Flame (which your respective serpent tells you to do). There's plenty of ambiguity in the *world* but not in the *player's goals* or what you're trying to achieve (note *trying* , not necessarily the outcome). _EDIT: I missed a bit of your comment so, to be fair, yes the path to lower undead burg is arbitrary and annoying. But as I said at the start, these sorts of things feel like mistakes or bad decisions in DS1 whereas in DS2 they feel intentional_
I haven't played Bloodborne so I can't comment on that but to say "the predecessor to a good game must be good" is idiotic. Exactly the same design principles and mechanics can be applied badly in one game and well in the next (Assassin's Creed 1=>2; Far Cry 2=>3; Just Cause 1=>2; ...)
@@fioredeutchmark "I’m pretty sure this whole experience has gone several miles over your head if you agree with anything in this critique."
Yeah, this is the sentence where you lost me, bud. It's fine if you wanna disagree with matthewmatosis, but pretending he doesn't have any valid opinions/facts/arguments/criticisms in this video, even if you think that Dark Souls 2 is the best in the series, is just plain ignorant.
Also, what design decisions exactly are you referring to that were brought over from DS2 to Bloodborne? I find this argument confusing since Bloodborne was more a spiritual successor to Demon's Souls than DS2, especially considering that Miyazaki wasn't even involved with DS2 because he was heading Bloodborne during the entirety of its development...
As a person who has put hundreds of hours into this game on my old 360 I can confidently say this is one of the best videos about the game. I love Dark Souls, Dark Souls 2, and 3 a lot but I agree with pretty much everything he says here. Despite everything he says I still run through this game every once in a while, which is a credit to how good FromSoft is at making games IMO. I wonder if he likes any of the DLC. Regardless, it's very refreshing to see such a honest review.
Seriously, Shrine of Winter is like Ride To Hell Retribution level in terms going out of your way to do something convoluted instead of doing the realistic thing.
"One of central themes of Dark Souls 2 is forgetting. It's ironic and quite sad that I've found the game itself to be very forgettable." Damn...
This video just opened my fucking eyes! You make some very good points about DS2, that I never really thought about ... so good job mate!
BUT: You have to admit, that DS2 - with all of your mentioned flaws - is still a very good game. Maybe it's not as great as DS1, but maybe that is too much to ask for. I mean ... how likely is it, that you create a masterpiece 3 times in a row?
I still enjoy DS2 very much, but your video has certainly helped me in figuring out, why I don't enjoy it as much as I enjoyed DS1.
So thank you ... and praise the sun :)
***** Yeah and if I HAD a ps4, I would be very excited :P
"BUT: You have to admit, that DS2 - with all of your mentioned flaws - is still a very good game."
Hey yeah! Oh wait, he fucking did.
gtabro1337 Hahaha Bethesda? You mean what: Morrowind -> Oblivion -> Skyrim? Morrowind was great, Oblivion sucked hard with booooooooring generic fantasy them and lame plot, and Skyrim was ok, but defienetly not a masterpiece. Arena and Daggerfall were buggy and random. There were much more games from them, like "Redgaurd" which was a platformer/action game I believe and that fpp dungegon crawler, but they were nice games, nothing more. Fallouts from Bethesda were weak. ONLY truly great game (except for Tribunal expansion which kinda fucked up with lore) they made was Morrowind. And not a single game from Rockstar is a masterpiece for me. GTA series is great, Max Payne 3 was awesome, but no masterpiece there.
Vfly3r
Gta series is meh.
I'm not a big fan too. I liked fourth one for dark, dramatic and realistic plot with really good and heavy moments. Fifth one was like... San Andreas with better graphics. Too much crazy shit going on. I mean I like crazy shit, but I didn't like it in GTA V. Maybe because I had expectanions for something much more like fourth one. But overall it is very importants series in history of games.
It is surreal watching this after watching the mauler series multiple times, I’m hearing familiar statements but in much less time
Because matthewmatosis is talking about a game while mauler was going in depth on a 1 and a half hour long video
Because Matthew is a much better writer
Mauler really did blow it out of proportion, there’s really no reason to do a 7 hour long dissection of a single guy’s video, however faulty and outlandish Hbomber’s arguments were it’s ridiculous to respond like that.
@@lightbrand_ To be fair it was one of his first dissections
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It takes seconds to spray shit all over a room and hours to clean it all up.
mauler sent me this way with his personal recomendation,
i see the long man was right about you
well done
Don bless the Longman.
@ValkyrieMoonfire Same with Bloodborne. I doubt they'll ever do a sequel to it, and for a good reason. Then again I did absolutely love DS3 so eh.
This video eventually lead me to MauLer and EFAP :)
This is word for word how I feel about Dark Souls II after putting 130+ hours into the game. I can't help but feel immense disappointment as I play the game, no matter how many different ways I play or how much I explore, I can't find myself enjoying the game like I did with Demon's Souls and Dark Souls.
It's a good game, just not a good Souls game, such a shame.
I remember, a while ago, singing praise and kudos to this, at the time, accurate and thorough critique of Dark Souls 2. Returning to this video, however, after replaying all the Souls games and having beat Bloodborne, leaves me with a great concern over the future of the series.
While I appreciate the videos genuine effort to analyze 2 through a Demon's Souls-centric methodology (something that is critically missing in many other assessments of 2's quality), I've come to the conclusion that this video is amounts to nothing more substantial than a nitpicky exercise in constructing erroneous double standards.
What an amazing summary you've crafted for Dark Souls 2's story: it's not like I couldn't do the same thing with Dark Soul's story.
You wake up in the Undead Asylum for some reason, get carried by a crow for some reason, ring bells for some reason, kill some bosses for some reason, and then kill an old dude for some reason.
See that? Anyone who's genuine about understanding Dark Soul's story that this is a deliberate obfuscation of Dark Soul's story. No one would describe the plot in this way unless they either 1) did not follow the simple rule of talking to NPCs to gather pieces of the story, or 2) need to conjure up justifications to partake in a harangue. Given your pedant nature--I haven't seen any video of yours that isn't over 20 minutes long--option 1 doesn't sound likely.
Why don't you direct your perspicacity towards Dark Souls's similar design flaws? I don't see you go on about why humanities, as a healing item, just as easily break the masterfully-crafted survival tension? I also don't recall you lambasting Demon's Souls swamp level as an example unfair, artificial difficulty, since you can't roll in the swamp, but enemies can run in it AND don't get poisoned by it. And really? Complaining that a little piece of rubble impedes our path in Dark Souls 2, when knee-high fences and other nonsensically placed architecture serving as blockades or pathways has always been a norm in the Souls series?
I could go on, but I don't want to fight pedantry with pedantry. Disappointed in Dark Souls 2? That's perfectly valid. But if you wish to elucidate on your disappointment, don't attempt to do it by juxtapose Dark Souls 2 with distorted versions of Dark Souls and Demon's Souls.
I write all this because I've also taken the time to read your text-based impression of Bloodborne, and I'm frankly surprised you thought that game was a good successor to the Souls series, when it commits all the sins you itemized in this critique and considerably more! I'm honestly under the impression that you, as well as a sad number of the Souls fanbase, will simply praise anything with Miyazaki's name on the director's role. That's the only explanation that accounts for your condescending dismissal of the development team of Dark Souls 2 as either 'not getting Miyazaki's artistic vision' (allow me the grace of paraphrasing) or trying too hard to stray from Miyazaki's style. Yui Tanimura takes inspiration from, and understands the spirit of, the same From Soft games that influenced Miyazaki, and their working relationship is one of mutual respect. That's something I don't see at all within the Souls fanbase, and videos like this, that assert, perhaps implicitly, that Miyazaki is somehow the main ingredient of the series's magic, only bolster the fanbase's ignorance.
I want a series that can innovate, take different paths, and ultimately feel unique every time. But if this cult-like sanctification of a single man as the focal point of the series continues, all that'll occur is the same shit that happened to Metal Gear Solid and the same shit that happened to Silent Hill: stagnancy. And that, I will say, will be the death of any series--no matter how good any of its iterations are individually.
JXZX1 I don't care what you say man. If you like Dark Souls 2, then play Dark souls 2. I, on the otherhand, know what I like and don't like. And I definitely don't like this pile of shit that they made and called a "Sequel".
JXZX1 No one's going to bother reading that
Serpentine Sure, that's all in your power. Opinions are good. Double standards in opinions, however, should be called out, and blatant distortions of the development team's competence should be argued against.
klumpos I don't quite care if no one reads it. I've responded to Matthew's critique with my own review of his video. Whether it affects anything or not (probably not) is all in the future.
JXZX1 For myself at least, I think the main disappointment in Dark Souls 2 comes from a couple of core decisions that, while they might seem small, really hampered my enjoyment over a long period of time.
The first would be the new animation system, something I noticed in the previews leading up to the game, but thought would grow on me over time, and after playing through the game around five times now it still bothers me. I believe this was From's first time using motion capture, or at least it was certainly their first time using it for the Souls series and it shows. A lot of the animations just look plain bad to me, they have this sort of slow, floaty characteristic to them that I can't quite place but that makes the attacks for so many of the weapons just not feel as impactful as in its brethren games.
Next would be the whole agility/adaptability system. I really don't know what possessed the development team to tie your invincibility frames and animation speed for certain tasks to a stat, but all it really serves to do is make the opening hours of the game feel a whole lot more unresponsive and sluggish than they would otherwise. Once you get agility up to around 100 the game actually feels pretty close to Dark Souls 1 in terms of control and speed, though I personally think it feels a bit slower still (which was annoying since I was already lamenting the slowdown DS1 had taken from Demon's Souls). But it leaves a bad impression during the first few hours of the game, which are pretty crucial for making first impressions. And some people might have never even put points into adaptability, which I feel could make pretty much anyone hate the game's controls.
There are also a number of minor changes that annoyed me, one being the changes to the parrying system. In Demon's Souls and Dark Souls you could riposte on the immediate frame after performing a parry. It felt really great to pull of and was accompanied by a satisfying sound effect. In Dark Souls 2 though you have to wait for the enemy to slowly fall onto their ass before finally being able to do a riposte, which is totally flaccid in comparison.
There's also the change to leveling up, being able to level instantly at bonfires was a great feature in Dark Souls 1, I was baffled when they removed it in the sequel, and remain even more shocked that you still have to rely on Pancake Face 3.0 to do it in Bloodborne. This is one of those things that just feels like a total and complete backstep for the series in every way, and I pray DS3 returns to letting you level up (and respawn enemies for that matter) at any bonfire.
Anyway, I did want to write a few more things, but I have to leave soon anyway. My main point I wanted to make was that while you do make some legitimate criticism of the points in this video, I don't think everyone who dislikes Dark Souls 2 in comparison to its predecessors is doing so because of some abnormal bias towards its creator. There are legitimate problems some might have with the new ways the sequel chose to handle certain design philosophies.
The gutter really is a turd time..
Only got brought here through Mauler’s response series to Hbomberguy. Must say I enjoyed this similar to Mauler’s, although the style is different.
Truly a great critique!
For every part I love in DkS2 there is something that irks me. This was a fantastic soliloquy of the issues that I have with this game. Great work.
Yeah that's pretty much the same way I feel about the game. And i do hope that you finish that guide Chris, I'm excited about it.
Couldn't have said it better myself.
This critique of Dark Souls II is without doubt the best critique written to date. It is focus on PvE mostly, by implementing more depth PvP critique, this critique would be nearly perfect and reference. Anyway, I wouldn’t expect such precise and time consuming work from relatively small TH-camr. Respect for this. But that kind of critique would have much bigger impact on Dark Souls community if it is made from big TH-cam Dark Souls uploader. Unfortunately big TH-camrs don’t care about quality but they rather work on quantity of their content. They just keep admiring the broken game as it is right now, rather than influencing their fans, change their point of view and push game developer/publisher in direction of making better Souls games.
"I also think people underestimate how important Oscar is to Dark Souls. He's the one who kicks off the events of the entire game"
Wow it's like he predicted hbomberguy's dumbass defense video
Lol
Or maybe Harris was, in part, responding to this very video...
Wow. Impressive.
Having had watched Hbomberguy's critique of Dark Souls 2 and sort of attempted to understand the experience of people who actually enjoy the game, I can say with absolute confidence that I'm completely content to never play this game again.
HBomb's video on DS2 is atrociously bad and he should be ashamed of it.
@@khaorix2667 it's still the best explanation to me for as to why anyone would enjoy DS 2
Khaorix
He has a few good points, such as the crowd control, but overall, yeah his video sucked ass.
Cynical Creep damn I kinda don’t remember asking
That's a shit video and I actually like Dark Souls 2.
The part of the video where you talk about the over lay for the boss intros is very funny to me. I've worked in games for 12 years and the decisions made by creative directors is often times perplexing. But they are given ultimate power and are never questioned. This is how things like this happen.
I'm surprised that people still think pulling the DmC card, "You shouldn't compare it to other games in the series, it's different!", is a valid shield against criticism. I think it's very necessary to compare Dark Souls 2 to previous entries in the series, especially considering that there is no other analogous series to compare/contrast the game to like this. Were it not called Dark Souls 2, I would completely agree that it shouldn't be compared to Demon's/Dark Souls, but once you don "Souls" onto your game's title, you are immediately burdened with the series legacy and past design decisions, whether you want them or not.
Anyways, very interesting critique. I'm glad someone finally made a thorough review of the game in the context of it being a Souls game and not just "video game 2014 yes it good unga bunga", I'm sure there's people who disagree though, and that's A-okay too.
Still waiting to see what's possible on the PC release in a few days, but I've lost most of my confidence in FromSoft's understanding of the PC platform. Ought to be interesting as the port gets picked apart, though.
The problem isn't him comparing. It's his hypocrisy. Example, his complaint for Royal Rat Authority even though fight is the same as Capra Demon in terms of the dynamics of the fight. Kill the small fry and the main bad becomes a joke. Not to mention the boss isn't even mandatory to beat the game start to finish.
Throne Watcher and Defender is DaS2's Ornstein and Smough. Only this time you don't have pillars to hide behind and abuse the stupid AI with. What does he do? Praise Ornstein and Smough (a fight full of nothing but stupid AI abuse via pillars) while complaining about Throne Watcher and Defender. The video is full of hypocrisy and makes it hard for me to respect his opinion even if he does bring up 1 good point after 15 pointless bullshit nitpicks.
If there was one thing Dark Souls 2 got right and did better than the first, it was the PvE. It's more engaging, intense, and feels threatening. Too many enemies in Dark Souls 1 were backstab fodder and it's mostly because their AI was terrible.
Bytesize Grizzly I think that's exactly the point, I've never spoken to anyone who thought Capra was a well designed boss fight. So why does an even worse rendition of it pop up in the sequel? Capra could have used mentioning in the video, but Capra's poorly designed fight has been beaten with a stick into an unidentifiable goo, it goes without saying at this point, I feel.
O&S had the "big, slow telegraphed guy and little, quick guy" setup with a surprise finale at the end. W&D had two small, quick, and aggressive enemies that were an endurance test for all the wrong reasons. O&S was doable in any myriad of ways (roll out of Ornstein's combo and attack Smough who is fairly squishy, or kite Smough out of range and kill Ornstein 1v1, just to name a few), while W&D were both too aggressive to reliably split them up; you simply have to keep backpedaling, rolling, and blocking for a minute until you can land a hit or two in between both of their combos, and then back again. Little skill required, not much brainwork, just an absurdly large amount of patience
And you are right, nitpicking is stupid unless it is used as an illustration of something larger and more serious, which I think this video hit square on the head.
Bytesize Grizzly A note: I don't think O&S is a 10/10 boss fight, I just feel that putting them beside W&D is a pretty flimsy comparison.
There are similarities between Stupid Sif Apparition and Capra Demon, but the idiotic punishment and tedium is much greater in Dark Souls 2. Capra Demon arguably hinges on surviving the first attack of the boss, either by having a good shield or rolling. This isn't a terribly exciting premise, and running up the stairs and falling down and hopefully not dying to the dogs can be trying, but it's often times a one-and-done affair provided you survive the initial strike.
Saying this is the same as a pack of toxin inflicting rats, including one giant poise breaking ripoff of Sif that can one shot you, is incredibly misguided. It's not bias, it's observation. Something Dark Souls 2 doesn't reward much. You know that that pack of rats will always be there, but the solution to killing them is hardly elegant nor will your frustrations be brief. The comparison makes Dark Souls 2 look bad because it is bad.
Bytesize Grizzly
Pillars don't help when most of O&S's attacks go right through them.
Nice to see you agree with my thoughts. I noticed very quickly that they were just throwing more mobs to make it harder. I've finished the game, but I just don't feel like going back to it because it was such a chore and I wasn't feeling accomplished after fights. I just felt lucky or tired from having to play so patiently.
"It's like the team behind Dark Souls 2 tried to mimic Demon Souls without even bothering to go back and play it."
That just about sums up the entirety of _Dark Souls 2_ , in my opinion. The entire game feels like it was made by people who heard about the _Souls_ franchise but never actually played either of the games.
It’s actually the team behind King’s Field making a King’s Field esque game rather than a Dark Souls one. Drawing comparisons to Demon Souls was already a dumb idea when the literal lead director of King’s Field was directing Ds2
@@monkeman5895 But Dark Souls 2 actually brings many mechanics back from Demon's Souls though?
Infinite farmable healing, HP reduction on death, main hub you teleport back to to level up, upgrade and purchase items that branches out into various dead ends, to name a few
@@filipmajewski8382 Don’t ask me, I’m not the moron saying Ds2 was made by people who haven’t played “either” dark souls games (there was only 1 game at that time wtf was OP smoking)
@@monkeman5895 He said „either of the Souls games” as in Demon’s Souls and Dark Souls. That makes 2, read OP’s comment again
@@filipmajewski8382 well OP is a moron then because these 2 games don’t even play exactly the same as each other. Most of the inspiration behind Ds2 came from King’s Field anyways
I think this is a really well-built critique. One of my favourites on TH-cam for sure. It manages to show how many problems DS 2 have, yet it is still not a bad game, just the least favourite in the series for many. I appreciate Matthew for showing all of the game's problems (or, at least very most of them), I am sure a lot of people can find something new in it, think about it, analyze, make some conclusions.
Dark Souls 2, as for me, is not a bad game, just the worst in the series. Sometimes I really like it. Sometimes, my eyes roll into the heaven on how cheaply some of the game's moments are made (seriously, who thought that placing one-shotting ogre in Aldia's keep behind the door that has NO indication whatsoever about danger is a good design?). And, if somebody would like to call me "Miyazaki's fanboy", I can totally call you as well "Tanimura's fanboy", because I can clearly see problems DS 1 have (ENTIRE Izalith etc.), yet it is my favourite in the series. All Souls-games have something unique and good about them, and I do agree on that, as well as all Souls-games have their problems. But it is sometimes just cringy to see somebody showing only game's problems, without showing good aspects. Can't we just enjoy Souls-games by our own ways? Can't some fanboys in Souls-community stop being smuggy elitists, calling other games of the series "Garbage" ? Like InfernoPlus, who can pretend to be a greater smug than HBomberGuy, calling people who like DS 3 "retards". Nowadays, it is really rare to see somebody who enjoy ALL Dark Souls games, or at least respects others' opinions. Which is shame, really.
Anyway, I do wish for Matt good time making other critiques, and I thank him for this one.
I see your opinion...
And will respectfully agree that all games have their upsides and downsides, and that some things are cheap (though the ogre does have a warning through the slats in the door and you can hear both that one and the second gotcha one breathing) but are ultimately able to be called. DS2 is the most methodical, and the gameplay is, quite truly, off-putting to many fans as it feels horrifically different from all the other ones. It's my favourite, but that's due to me having ragequit once, put it down, then come back and felt it click. It's like the Sekiro parrying; until it clicks, the game feels like shit.
@@TamaraBloodhoof I disagree with your point about the ogre being telegraphed. Sure, you can see it behind the door, but judging off the precedent the other games and DS2 itself set, you'd just expect the enemy to wind up an attack as you opened the door, rewarding you for seeing the enemy beforehand and being ready or rewarding you for reacting quickly. Instead, it basically punishes you for even trying to open the door.
@@twistedgwazi5727 I did not say it was telegraphed, I said that it had a warning. I had also mentioned that it was part of the few specific things that I consider cheap in the game and only mentioned some of the minor ways that one could see it coming, however that does not mean that I believe it is well telegraphed.
Occam's razor, all the games are bad ggs
It's unbelievable how flat and uncharismatic DS2 looks compared even to DeS. And I am playing the PC version. DS2 is a rushed mess like the useless torch mechanic proves. So many bad ideas in this game it's frustrating. Agility, rings protecting from death, horrible hit boxes, soul memory etc.
fkin casul
***** Thats an issue with lag, not hitboxes then.
pc version has even weirder lighting compared to console I swear it
but I think it looks pretty great after getting used to it. it's very clear cut and smooth, lacks all of the shitty blur techniques in other modern games
You can thank the 8 year old consoles for the "shitty torch mechanics".
The game was actually supposed to look like the first gameplay trailers (which were played on a powerful pc), but during the beta tests on consoles they found out that the machines couldn't handle the graphics and constantly dropped below 20 fps (sometimes it was "seconds per frame" even).
They had to make sacrifices with the graphics in order to make the game playable on consoles.
There is a mod flying around for the pc version that brings back the graphic filters used in the original gameplay trailers, it changes a lot of things including how the depth of field effect is rendered to bring back the dark and gloomy environments that you actually REALLY needed a torch to safely traverse.
***** The PS3 Demo had the orginal torch mechanics and lighting.
I'm pretty sure they removed it for gameplay reasons(being forced to limit your playstyle in all areas doesn't sound fun) but I can be wrong.
You really summarized everything that felt off about my two playthroughs. It just feels like a cheap imitation of what Miyazaki achieved.
The fact that you get an achievement called "welcome to dark souls" for your first death is very indicative of where their priorities lied. It's so smug.
u must be rlly bad at it, do u stream on twitch by any chance ?
@@AtreyusNinjaNo, he’s not bad at the game, the game is just bad at being good
@@korokleafgaming6863 werid, the best game in terms of replayability is a bad game, i see.
not mentioning the best pvp.
not mentioning the amazing ds3 map (single way).
not mentioning the best build system.
and the 4way roll of ds1 with 0 replayability because of no teleport until Anor londo.
i see.
@@AtreyusNinja Ds3 has the best Pvp. Not Ds2
Elden Ring has the best build diversity and build set up. Not Ds2
Ds1 and BB has the best world design and interconnected worlds. Not Ds2
BB and any game past Ds3 has omnidirectional movement. Ds2 does not
Elden Ring has the best upgrade system. Ds2 does not
Ds1, Ds3, Demon Souls and BB have better level design. Especially not Ds2
Any game is more replayable than Ds2. Because Ds2 is shit and I would rather play any other soulsborne game than play Ds2 over agin
@@korokleafgaming6863 ds3 have the best pvp, ok, we can stop here.
goodbye.
t's really too bad that the conversation around Dark Souls 2 got as acrimonious as it did. Even people that criticize it, like Matthew himself, acknowledge that it's a good game. Unfortunately there was probably no way for people to point out its flaws without seeming like they were totally dumping on it, especially to fans who didn't perceive the same issues. That led to a wildly disproportionate reaction on both sides, where people who had probably played it for hundreds of hours were calling it "trash," while the other side threw accusations about "elitism" and "nostalgia" and so on. Maybe the only effective way to explain what Ds2 was missing is to point to the Miyazaki titles, and just say "that's what it's missing!" Sometimes the only real response to a work of art is another work of art, and when you try to put into words, you end up inevitably overstating your point.
Yeh, pointing to other Fromsoft games such as for, example, Dark Souls 1 is a great way to see what 2 did wrong, what it lacked and why people didn't like it.
Unfortunately, some people don't understand that and just think that because you liked Dark Souls 1 you hated 2 because you expected it to be the same, which is not the case.
Yea no this game is just kind of shit.
I would definitely say it's a bad game. The issues with the controls and lock-on combined with constant spamming of enemies makes it really hard to enjoy. Combine that with ADP, bad level design, nonsensical world design, long aggro ranges, subpar animation etc, I got nothing but frustration from it. In my opinion it fails at nearly every aspect that made Dark Souls and Demon's Souls such great games. Maybe the DLC would change my mind, but I'd have to mod it heavily to fix the most egregious technical issues.
boo hoo
Hbomber guy response was so laughable and filled with personal attacks and lies that the response will always be disproportionate. Theres no arguing with idiots, only obliteration
Let me start off by saying this: Dark Souls 2 is nowhere near as bad as people say it is. It may not have the same deep lore as DS1, but it's still a great game on its own right. People are acting like DS2 is as bad of a sequel as Devil May Cry 2 or Resident Evil 6 when it's really not.
Don't act like Dark Souls 1 didn't have any cheap deaths. In fact, I'd say that the first fight with Seath the Scaleless is as cheap as it gets. You're given no warning that the fight is unwinnable before he kills you in 1-2 hits, and if you don't have a ring of sacrifice, all of your souls and humanity are completely gone. Also, Bed of Chaos: parts of the floor randomly collapse when you walk onto them with no warning, causing you to fall to your death.
Dark Souls 2 did a few things better than the sequel: there are more options in character customization, the combat is a little more refined, and it'll last you longer than the first game. The story in the base game doesn't have a lot going for it, but the crowns trilogy more than made up for that.
I can see why people would prefer Dark Souls 1 over Dark Souls 2, but calling it an embarrassment to the series is taking it too far.
***** I never got this, to be honest.
When I played through for the first time years ago, I came upon that section and recalled people mentioning how BS it was, though they didn't tell me why.
I tried blocking the massive arrows first, which clearly didn't work well and I retreated. Then I just sprinted through and made it, a tactic that has never failed me in each run.
That said, I've had the left knight shoot his arrow through a section of wall and knock me off while engaging the other, so...
@Majora's Mario: Regarding badly designed bosses in DaS1, no game is perfect and the director already apologized for these mistakes.
The issue is, that the team who worked on DaS2 didn't learn from this. Indeed, they seemed to embrace bad design in order to create difficulty. Basically, DaS1 had occasional cheap moments, while DaS2 seems to be built around them.
I don't think DaS2 is a bad game or sequel, though I do find it less fun overall due to these decisions.
Majora's Mario Dark Souls 1 has some of the most amazing clipping and collision detection I've played in a game. And by "amazing" I mean godawful.
That one ledge in The Great Hollow? The one by the first set of ladders where if you try to get back on the ledge no matter how fast you run or high you jump there is an inexplicable invisible wall blocking you? And only with dumb luck do you manage to get back on. Enemies that can damage or kill you with their weapons clipping through solid walls (unfortunately you the player don't get this "benefit")? Dead bodies that fall through the floor? (rats and the manta frogs are a couple of the most notorious for this). And though it's rare I can say _twice_ I died because _I_ fell through the floor. Both times it happened when an enemy successfully parried/riposted me and suddenly I was falling through infinity. Those stupid tiny ledges you have to run around (the one by the ladder leading to the Darkroot Garden, the aqueduct in Firelink Shrine where you find the corpse with the Ring of Sacrifice and that merchant who thought that would be a smashing location to sell wares for some reason). There's no reason to be precariously running sideways while running forward into a wall because of small ledges, it's not that they're difficult to get around, but they're really stupid and unnecessary. And the geometry of some walkways are highly questionable, whether a tree branch where you get stuck running in place, jumping and then falling to your doom, or that stupid sloping walkway in the Crystal Cave where you slide off near the end and need to make a running jump on the ledge to get your bearings. I have a feeling they put so much effort into the art design in some levels and forget to make some of the levels palatable, mechanics-wise
Some of the lore in DaS1 made no sense either. I wouldn't care so much about this but everyone raves about how well thought-out the lore is and how integrated it is into the gameplay when a lot of it is "because magic" or is just a big gaping hole. Why does a tiny remnant of a rusty prison shackle allow you better footing on water? Because magic? Why make Seath blind? I know they're trying to give his character as many reasons to have an inferiority complex as possible but if he's blind how the fuck is he able to read all those books and create crystal zombies, octopus people and an immortality crystal in the process? Are the books in Braille? Dragon Braille? They look like pretty ordinary books to me, I dunno. Add to the fact that neither a Slumbering Dragoncrest Ring nor a Hush spell makes a damn bit of difference when fighting him, as he can sense where you are no matter what, then the idea that he's blind I call bullshit on. He may be an albino, scaleless paraplegic, but he's definitely not fucking blind. The Painted World of Ariamis is also just a stupid idea for a level. It's a world in a painting. Is this Super Mario 64? And it's a snow level. Because we needed one. Bloated-headed toxic zombies, harpies, the phalanx from Demon's Souls, the enemies don't even make sense being in this world. I also love the touch of sleigh bells you can so faintly hear in the background. I was expecting "Jingle Bell Rock" to bust out any moment.
The camera also sucks and the lock-on system is busted (it is so particular with how much the enemy has to be in view with you, even if you're standing right in front of it, that it won't lock on unless you meet the demands of its million-dollar ransom note).
And now I'm nitpicking but since the fanboys think the game is so perfect when it's far from it, fuck it, this game needs nitpicking because who else is going to do it. Not the ragequitters, they have their own problems with the game. I'll also say the transitions between some areas can be jarring, in a bad way, in terms of lighting. From the Valley of the Drakes into Blighttown for instance, you can clearly see ahead of you but everything must go INSTA-dark the moment you step in even though there's a big shaft of light behind you because, well, we want you to know you're in big spoopy Blighttown. and the words "Blighttown" appearing on screen just aren't good enough to let you know that!
Now I haven't played the sequel so I don't know how many of these issues carry over but if it improves on ANY of these in any way then it's far from a failure. I'm really just illustrating how flawed the first Dark Souls was that people don't want to or can't acknowledge in any way. It's a divide between people who hate the difficulty and, worst of all, the "git gud scrub" fanboy MLG basement dwellers all of whom should be blindfolded and executed point blank on their knees for using 4chan terms like "git gud" in a serious, non-ironic fashion.
+Majora's Mario I'd say Dark Souls 2 is the best game since Dark Souls.
And that's kinda a massive issue.
+Majora's Mario I agree with this. There were plenty of good moments in DS2, and the DLC had some of the best level design in the series imo. It's no Dark Souls or Demons Souls PvE wise for sure, but it was still a lot of fun, and the PvP (minus the dumb matchmaking) in MUCH more fun in Dark Souls 2
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Can't agree there. Soul Memory kills what little PVP there is and the poise system is a mess in DS2.
This is the first review/critique that addressed some legitimate issues of Dark souls 2. Like many others, I was disappointed by DS2 (although I agree with the reviewer that DS2 is still a great game compared others on the market). However, I think many of the complaints were nitpicky and didn't address the core issues of DS2. I do appreciate some of the improvements in DS2 like the weapon upgrade options, dual wielding, and addition of hexes for necromancer/dark cleric roleplay
SuperLotus After watching more of the video I do think some of the complaints are petty and somewhat inconsistent. For example, undead burg is day/evening, but when you go through the tower with havel into darkroot garden it's night. And yet he makes this criticisms of DS2. On the whoe, this is still the best review I've seen so far.
SuperLotus I don't see how the addition of "dark cleric roleplay" is an improvement over Dark Souls.
...At all.
Alma Aleph Do you even RPG, bro?
SuperLotus I always felt that darkroot garden is dark because it's in a chasm type of area. It's much lower than other parts of the game so to me it seemed natural less light would make it down there. Meanwhile areas like the undead burg are realistically lit, but no day/night change whatsoever. And then there's the whole fake sun in anor londo. Even before I found out about the illusion thing I thought it seemed way too bright in that area compared to the rest of the game. Especially when you consider you can see the outer wall of anor londo from the lower city.
Also the whole tower leading from evening burg to nighttime garden doesn't seem as jarring to me as riding an elevator into an area you can't see from the outside, and then seeing the surrounding landscape you walked through represented as a hellish lava field.
DarthDondra I have plenty of complaints about DS2, but having Iron Keep obscured doesn't really bother me. On a side note, I think Darkroot garden/basin is my favorite area in Dark Souls. There are other very cool areas like Anor Londo and Ash Lake, but something about Darkroot garden I really like. The areas in DS2 didn't evoke the same kind of feelings although there were cool areas like Shrine of Amana and No-man's wharf.
I'm seeing a lot people still commenting that they disagree with the points that Matthew makes or that he's being overly negative, which is fine. But I think what a lot of them seem to forget is that this is a critique not a review and it's for the original 2014 version not SOTFS edition. At the time of release most of these criticism's were valid and a lot still are as SOTFS still suffers from the same core problems in my opinion.
This is such an interesting piece of media to me.
I definitely come from the side of enjoying DS2, but i will happily acknowledge the faults it has in it's design. And as someone who enjoys most of Hbombers content, his DS2 video definitely comes from a place of wanting to protect something he really enjoys, such as DS2(dont at me entirely on that, i haven't watched his video on it in ages).
However, here is what truly strikes me strange.
It's impressive how after almost a DECADE after its release, it continues to gain traction from both sides of the spectrum, to either bash DS2 or Harris, or to defend them to the grave(and I'll also mention that i haven't watched Maulers videos on the subject, as 10+ hours of critique are not exactly my thing).
I've scrolled through these comments now more than actually watching the video, and it shocks me how YEARS of bickering can be seen here, or even echo chambers of praise and spite. But it also shows how DS2 as a whole created such a large rift in the DS fanbase/community. And it's easier to see how this affliction happened now more than ever, as you can see its a stark contrast from DS3, where combat is faster, lighter, tighter, and a lil bit less ganky(and for those segments that are, the odds feel more evened out).
To end this rambling, allow me to leave off with my own critique of the game;
It's okay. It's combat is sluggish, heavy, and makes you feel like you have to use everything you have just to win a fight against a few small dogs. I myself have played it 3-4 times, each time finding myself playing it less and less. Granted, this is also because i was playing through the other two at the time as DS2 was my first experience into the series, but I digress. The games narrative is weak, its world disjointed and confusing, and the characters being almost entirely grey clay. For me, enjoyment came from imagining what it COULD'VE been had it been carefully crafted, with no issues in development whatsoever. However, thats not what we have here. DS3 was a game that chose to rectify that, by being a complete parallel opposite in every way possible, in its combat, in it's story, and more so, in it's world and characters. I always recommend people play all three, as you can see the series trying to find itself in balance after the first one.
In all truthful honesty, Elden Ring is the first true Dark Souls 2, as it expands heavily on what made DS1 so special, while taking the good of DS2 and 3 and cranking them up to 11 so that it could be an experience to remember.
I understand this comment is long as hell now, so i hope you'll forgive me for plaguing your screen with it.
Even if the last bit didn't really make much snese and didn't have much to do with it, i just wanted to share my fascination with this videos history, and how people continue to talk about a game that came out a lil over ten years ago.
Well said man. Don’t know if you read this but i definitely fall on a similar side of the issue, I adore this game but i will accept that there’s major flaws and that there isn’t a point defending them. To me, there’s something very charming about ds2, and the weird jank adds to it in a sense. The game is far from my favorite, but I do love it for what it is.