That Samuro definitely earned his MVP title. He did a great job poking and delaying the enemy team, and getting some key kills at really important moments. I also felt really bad for Qira, that's not a fun match to have to play into for sure.
it's so deflating to lose a 30+ minute game, especially when you've been winning the whole time only to stagger deaths and blow it in the end. Glad that didn't happen for you Pally
This is why i stopped playing league of legends, 50+ minute games that are decided by whichever team has someone to throw first... Absolute nightmare of a game.
What an intense match! Everyone hung in there as long as they could. Amazing fight for both sides! ❤️ I'm glad to hear more HotS is coming down the line~
I think a good QOL improvement they could make for Zagara is that when taking the Nidus Network talent a Nidus automatically spawns in the fountain that can't be removed. Nothing big but would be nice.
What a tense game! Hope there's still going to be HotS content after the A - Z. I've been watching since Heroes was still in beta and would hate to see it go. :)
One detail you missed on corrosive saliva is that is affects both of your summon types. Your roaches deal percent damage health as well. I did not see you mention this in the video.
IDK why the baneling slow talent isn't picked more. Toss a baneling at an approaching enemy to dismount and slow them while you run away on creep. It adds so much more survivability.
Perhaps the greatest part of the nidus network is the fact that entering a worm is nearly the same as returning the base regarding health and mana regeneration. You can dip out, hop into a worm, regen and hop back into the fray.
"At the 28 minute mark, let me waste my sip for 500 hp of healing and it'll wear off by the time the team fight starts, so most of it is wasted." - The MFP strategy :D
A decent tip with Zagara is to pop out of your nydus at the spawn to insta-mount and hop back in before going where you want to go. Entering and exiting do not dismount but casting a nydus, even from within the nydus, does dismount.
they explained the disable-patch situation, they tought they could not deliver the patch in time so they disabled her until the patch, and then realized they could actually release the patch.
You've got to be dropping creep more regularly. Not only is it more vision as you state plus the movement speed it definitely would've saved you from more than one of those deaths.
Bile Drop is 100% a trap talent. Viscous Acid pays so many dividends when you're doing proper Zag kiting things, or working with any of the Executioner-style talents in mid to late game. To equalize the talent diversity without bringing her damage / etc out of line, just give creep tumors 50 armor. Ensures enough resources go to dealing with it that she can be more effective.
I'm 71-13-1 now following your builds. I was on the same map as this video with a similar comp and the result was similar albeit a shorter match. I really liked this build. I hadn't played Zagara in a long time but she's as enjoyable to play as ever and a good entry point to playing mages which I'm generally not very good at. It's a testament to how good this was that I actually won vs a chogall which I've always done terribly against.
@@flibbernodgets7018 the "-1" is Kelthuzzad. My way of playing these builds is since I don't get to make decisions about my talents I give myself up to 3 games with the build depending on how experienced I am with the character. Kelthuzzad was gonna be a 3 gamer because I don't play him much. The first game I played one of my better Kel'thuzzad games but lost for reasons I don't remember. The second game I won but played terribly. I didn't complete my trait quest despite it being a fairly long game and was outdamaged by our Anduin. I couldn't call that a win with how badly I played despite actually winning and the game I played well I lost despite playing well. So all I can do at this point is call it a draw.
That samuro added so much pressure. With the proper capitalization on taking camps it made it very difficult for the enemy team to figure out a game plan for victory. The most well placed spots for camps are on the opposite side of the team using nidus to make it so they keep having to send people over to deal with them.
@@Draeckon ...which is just slightly larger impact area. I think that better would be: "To be fair, you don't really pick that talent." The time between the ability cast and drop pod hit is so long that anyone can dodge it with plenty of time to spare. Also the impact damage starts at 140 which is pretty bad. If this talent immediate benefit would delay showing the landing spot to the enemies (or wouldn't show it to them at all) I might consider it a viable option. Until then Viscous Acid it is.
There used to be a trick with Zag in this map, you could poke the guardian mobs to pull them over, and put your summons down and snag the seed while the mini-war was going on. No clue if it still works
I don't know if you noticed, Pally, but your 16 talent also combos with your 1 and 4 talents, as well - Hunter-Killers AND Roachlings do percentage damage per attack with it
The reason for the pick rate is because it is targeted damage with sustain. Also, you can't block line of sight so it is very consistent. The heroic buffs are situational, like any heroic...mostly.
You need to be putting a cyst down behind your walls so when you are running back you can hit the backup creep to give you that defensive speed when needed.
And they kept doing it too... A roach drop did it near the end too, the pod looked like it hit giants and the roaches were just standing on the other side of the wall and the the hydralisk went over to hang out with them Hydralisk: Don't worry boss lady, We're gonna make sure the other side of the wall isn't coming for you.
My game as Zagara was a win, and lasted like half of your game. Our team was pretty oppressive with Xul, Imperius, Abathur, and Nazebo. Had blackheart bay, so I stayed at bottom til level 10.
I think the mana issue is just balance, if she wouldnt have mana issues she would be OP with relative low cooldowns and insane pushing capability, also her nidus ult nullifies the problem
I haven’t played hots in years, but zagara was my favorite character then. A little weird some of the changes that happend, but i might get back into it.👍
@@meesert i know what to expect mostly, i’ve been playing dota2 and smite over the years as well, and i sorta got burnt out, so im gonna come back to hots to see whats up.
@@meesert At this point, I've just turned allied chat off completely. My experience in the game immediately improved, when I didn't have to deal with people spewing vitriol in chat.
Right? I always see him having these crazy split push games where he's in every lane all the time, then I go play, and I put mine somewhere totally safe/hidden, and it's gone 3 seconds later. I still use it on big maps, and put it in even more safe spots to get from top to bottom, or just to heal up...but I can never get those aggressive ones.
Couldn't wait for the game to end :( These Hydralisks leaving just after killing one giant was too much. I have no words for this and I wish I didn't see it...
Just pisses me off as a former Zagara main that every other damn ability is able to clear her creep yet people like junkrat can throw shit that is clearly visible yet you cant do anything about it what so ever
34min game and quest not finished :D Edit; i do pretty much the same talent build everytime, large maps = nydus + mutalisk to get that splitpush going and small maps is maw and corrosive saliva
Rogue Legacy 1.0 has arrived and it has 2 new classes! Astromancer (mobility mage) and an amazing *PIRATE CLASS*. Trust me, you will forget that Ronin even exists once you try the pirate class. It's that much fun and thematic.
🥵🥵🥵....🥹🥹🥹...😭😭😭. Pally I know you don't know me, but I would like to thank you for the years of entertainment and insight. I'm going to miss your commentary. Be safe bro.
She is in need of a real rework not whatever lame attempt that gave her back in Zagpocalypse. Her talent tree is horrendous and she's virtually out shone by every other Macro Ranged Assassins. You want better PvP? Sylvanas. Better siege? Azmodan and Nazeebo. Her only saving grace is Corrosive Saliva at 16 and potentially global presence with Nydus.
30+ minutes? pff :) The longest game I had was actually on this very map. But, these were times when garden terror was pilotable just like dragon knight. Also, there were 6 specialists in that game, a couple squishy assassins and a couple healers. Aba got above 500k siege there...
Tbh I think this game shows how bad the roach quest talent is: a 30-minute game and Pally still didn't complete it. Is a 20% larger radius worth that talent? I'd argue no.
Erg. I hate the "talent diversity" argument. No. Some talents should be situational picks, useful for certain situations. And the rest can be playstyle modifiers. It doesn't need to be a near-even "diversity" of talents. Just because stealth reveal isn't picked in every game doesn't mean that it's right and proper to remove from a character that doesn't have any better source of it. And even just within playstyle modifiers... some playstyles are not fun to the majority of people, regardless of their power. That doesn't make one or the other inherently more powerful than the other.
That Samuro definitely earned his MVP title. He did a great job poking and delaying the enemy team, and getting some key kills at really important moments. I also felt really bad for Qira, that's not a fun match to have to play into for sure.
it's so deflating to lose a 30+ minute game, especially when you've been winning the whole time only to stagger deaths and blow it in the end. Glad that didn't happen for you Pally
This is why i stopped playing league of legends, 50+ minute games that are decided by whichever team has someone to throw first... Absolute nightmare of a game.
What an intense match! Everyone hung in there as long as they could. Amazing fight for both sides! ❤️ I'm glad to hear more HotS is coming down the line~
Eyyy can't believe me and my buddy nurfherder actually played in one of your games and I didn't even notice. GG man, love your videos.
I think a good QOL improvement they could make for Zagara is that when taking the Nidus Network talent a Nidus automatically spawns in the fountain that can't be removed. Nothing big but would be nice.
Oh man, I have been waiting forever for this one!
I haven’t played this game in forever, but oh man am I getting nostalgia from my old main
What a tense game! Hope there's still going to be HotS content after the A - Z. I've been watching since Heroes was still in beta and would hate to see it go. :)
One detail you missed on corrosive saliva is that is affects both of your summon types. Your roaches deal percent damage health as well. I did not see you mention this in the video.
IDK why the baneling slow talent isn't picked more. Toss a baneling at an approaching enemy to dismount and slow them while you run away on creep. It adds so much more survivability.
The technical term when people trade deaths one another it's "coffin swap" Pally 😂
Perhaps the greatest part of the nidus network is the fact that entering a worm is nearly the same as returning the base regarding health and mana regeneration. You can dip out, hop into a worm, regen and hop back into the fray.
'3 of us clumped for Azmo ball.' Pally, my guy, Azmo was still dead for 20ish seconds. Don't forget to glance at those death timers!
"At the 28 minute mark, let me waste my sip for 500 hp of healing and it'll wear off by the time the team fight starts, so most of it is wasted."
- The MFP strategy :D
Gonna miss this series. Love you Pally!
A decent tip with Zagara is to pop out of your nydus at the spawn to insta-mount and hop back in before going where you want to go. Entering and exiting do not dismount but casting a nydus, even from within the nydus, does dismount.
they explained the disable-patch situation, they tought they could not deliver the patch in time so they disabled her until the patch, and then realized they could actually release the patch.
You've got to be dropping creep more regularly. Not only is it more vision as you state plus the movement speed it definitely would've saved you from more than one of those deaths.
I find it hard because of long cooldown and the constantly having to replace them
Bile Drop is 100% a trap talent. Viscous Acid pays so many dividends when you're doing proper Zag kiting things, or working with any of the Executioner-style talents in mid to late game.
To equalize the talent diversity without bringing her damage / etc out of line, just give creep tumors 50 armor. Ensures enough resources go to dealing with it that she can be more effective.
I'm 71-13-1 now following your builds. I was on the same map as this video with a similar comp and the result was similar albeit a shorter match. I really liked this build. I hadn't played Zagara in a long time but she's as enjoyable to play as ever and a good entry point to playing mages which I'm generally not very good at. It's a testament to how good this was that I actually won vs a chogall which I've always done terribly against.
Sorry, haven't been following your journey but I'm curious, what was the -1 from? Did you tie? How??
@@flibbernodgets7018 the "-1" is Kelthuzzad. My way of playing these builds is since I don't get to make decisions about my talents I give myself up to 3 games with the build depending on how experienced I am with the character. Kelthuzzad was gonna be a 3 gamer because I don't play him much. The first game I played one of my better Kel'thuzzad games but lost for reasons I don't remember. The second game I won but played terribly. I didn't complete my trait quest despite it being a fairly long game and was outdamaged by our Anduin. I couldn't call that a win with how badly I played despite actually winning and the game I played well I lost despite playing well. So all I can do at this point is call it a draw.
That samuro added so much pressure. With the proper capitalization on taking camps it made it very difficult for the enemy team to figure out a game plan for victory. The most well placed spots for camps are on the opposite side of the team using nidus to make it so they keep having to send people over to deal with them.
Pally, Picks up hit 12 heroes with roach drop quest at the 8 min mark,
_Still isn't finished at the 41 min mark 🤦♂️__
To be fair, you don't really pick that talent for the completion reward in most games, it's for the immediate benefit it provides.
@@Draeckon ...which is just slightly larger impact area. I think that better would be: "To be fair, you don't really pick that talent."
The time between the ability cast and drop pod hit is so long that anyone can dodge it with plenty of time to spare. Also the impact damage starts at 140 which is pretty bad.
If this talent immediate benefit would delay showing the landing spot to the enemies (or wouldn't show it to them at all) I might consider it a viable option.
Until then Viscous Acid it is.
There used to be a trick with Zag in this map, you could poke the guardian mobs to pull them over, and put your summons down and snag the seed while the mini-war was going on. No clue if it still works
three more videos and we will have the culmination of pally's definitive A-Z. what a ride.
I don't know if you noticed, Pally, but your 16 talent also combos with your 1 and 4 talents, as well - Hunter-Killers AND Roachlings do percentage damage per attack with it
The number 1 rule to be good at Zagara is to remember your ABC's: Always Be Creepin
Like the Lonely Island song. Do The Creep
The reason for the pick rate is because it is targeted damage with sustain. Also, you can't block line of sight so it is very consistent.
The heroic buffs are situational, like any heroic...mostly.
Love your videos pally I’ve watched for 5 years
You need to be putting a cyst down behind your walls so when you are running back you can hit the backup creep to give you that defensive speed when needed.
Some fun changes to zagara could be banelings eventually deals DOT. Infestation drop could level to start dropping with a hydralisk, or more minions.
A 41 minute video. Oh boy something big has to happen
Can I get you to kill both Giants? Hydralisk:"best I can do is one."
And they kept doing it too...
A roach drop did it near the end too, the pod looked like it hit giants and the roaches were just standing on the other side of the wall and the the hydralisk went over to hang out with them
Hydralisk: Don't worry boss lady, We're gonna make sure the other side of the wall isn't coming for you.
I was wondering if placing creep tumours in brush could be used to counter dehaka and his brush-based stuff
My game as Zagara was a win, and lasted like half of your game. Our team was pretty oppressive with Xul, Imperius, Abathur, and Nazebo. Had blackheart bay, so I stayed at bottom til level 10.
for a five assassin clusterfuck that was a fantastic game
These two teams were brought to you by the letter A
lmfao "we'er good, we'er good, FUCK!"
I think the mana issue is just balance, if she wouldnt have mana issues she would be OP with relative low cooldowns and insane pushing capability, also her nidus ult nullifies the problem
I haven’t played hots in years, but zagara was my favorite character then. A little weird some of the changes that happend, but i might get back into it.👍
Its still a really good game, just dont expect friendly and perfect teammates all the time and you wont be dissapointed lol
@@meesert i know what to expect mostly, i’ve been playing dota2 and smite over the years as well, and i sorta got burnt out, so im gonna come back to hots to see whats up.
@@meesert At this point, I've just turned allied chat off completely. My experience in the game immediately improved, when I didn't have to deal with people spewing vitriol in chat.
41min HOTS video 👀 I knew it was going to be a good one!
I really like summoner charcters and creatures with multiple legs so Zagara is great
I walk on creep. I'm a weirdo. (not really, just a lyric)
(if stats need correcting, let me know)
2021 A-Z Stats - SPOILERS BELOW
W & L Record
Overall - 63 - 21
Ranged Assassins - 20 - 8
Melee Assassins - 7 - 2
Tank - 11 - 2
Bruiser - 14 - 2
Healer - 9 - 7
Support - 3 - 0
MVPs - 13 (honorable mention - Trik as Gall)
Abathur, Alarak, Anduin, Falstad (in defeat), Fenix, Greymane, Johanna, Junkrat, Kerrigan, Lili, Mephisto (in defeat), Orphea, Probius, Ragnaros, Tracer
Wins - Abathur, Alarak, Alexstrasza, Anduin, Anub'arak, Arthas, Azmodan, Blaze, Cassia, Cho, Deathwing, Deckard Cain, Dehaka, Diablo, D.va, E.T.C., Fenix, Garrosh, Gazlowe, Genji, Greymane, Hogger, Illidan, Imperius, Johanna, Junkrat, Kael'Thas, Kel'Thuzad, Kerrigan, Kharazim, Leoric, Lili, Lt. Morales, Lucio, Lunara, Maiev, Malthael, Medivh, Mei, Muradin, Murky, Nazeebo, Nova, Orphea, Probius, Ragnaros, Raynor, Samuro, Sgt. Hammer, Sonya, Stitches, Stukov, Sylvanas, The Lost Vikings, Thrall, Tracer, Tyrande, Valeera, Valla, Varian, Xul, Yrel, Zagura
Losses - Ana, Artanis, Auriel, Brightwing, Chen, Chromie, Falstad, Hanzo, Jaina, Li-Ming, Mal'ganis, Malfurion, Mephisto, Qhira, Rehgar, Rexxar, Tassadar, The Butcher, Tyrael, Uther, Whitemane
Maps W - L (audit required)
Cursed Hollow - 3 - 1
Braxxis Holdout - 6 - 2
Blackheart's Bay - 6 - 0
Infernal Shines - 9 - 2
Dragon Shire - 6 - 3
Garden Terror - 5 - 2
Hanamura Temple - 4 - 1
Sky Temple - 4 - 1
Battlefield of Eternity - 7 - 1
Volskya Foundry - 1 - 2
Towers of Doom - 4 - 1
Tomb of the Spider Queen - 4 - 2
Warhead Junction - 2 - 2
Alterac Pass - 3 - 0
5:17 oh hi Mark
strange pip sound in the back ground stoped 5 min in to the video. nice game beside that
every time I try to play Nydus Network they always get found and killed almost immediately, I've pretty much given up on it.
Right? I always see him having these crazy split push games where he's in every lane all the time, then I go play, and I put mine somewhere totally safe/hidden, and it's gone 3 seconds later. I still use it on big maps, and put it in even more safe spots to get from top to bottom, or just to heal up...but I can never get those aggressive ones.
A very entertaining match, well played to both teams!
This video gets recommended so much to me
Couldn't wait for the game to end :(
These Hydralisks leaving just after killing one giant was too much. I have no words for this and I wish I didn't see it...
starting to miss HOTS videos.... should we except for A - Z 2023??? :-) Great videos Pally
I love the way they change specialist into assasins. I mean it's not like azmo's W in a minion that deals 19dmg/sec...
Just pisses me off as a former Zagara main that every other damn ability is able to clear her creep yet people like junkrat can throw shit that is clearly visible yet you cant do anything about it what so ever
34min game and quest not finished :D
Edit; i do pretty much the same talent build everytime, large maps = nydus + mutalisk to get that splitpush going and small maps is maw and corrosive saliva
Legit my favorite character. Madly in love v.v
Main Zag.... CREEEEEEEEP! that should always be on cool down
I had a similar game in ragnaros. I was the frontline/initiation/burst. Terrible matchmaking.
Use envenomed spine on the camps. It's only 30 seconds.
Rogue Legacy 1.0 has arrived and it has 2 new classes!
Astromancer (mobility mage) and an amazing *PIRATE CLASS*.
Trust me, you will forget that Ronin even exists once you try the pirate class. It's that much fun and thematic.
🥵🥵🥵....🥹🥹🥹...😭😭😭.
Pally I know you don't know me, but I would like to thank you for the years of entertainment and insight. I'm going to miss your commentary. Be safe bro.
I'm also sorry for pigeonholing you into this niche.
What a game!
She is in need of a real rework not whatever lame attempt that gave her back in Zagpocalypse. Her talent tree is horrendous and she's virtually out shone by every other Macro Ranged Assassins. You want better PvP? Sylvanas. Better siege? Azmodan and Nazeebo. Her only saving grace is Corrosive Saliva at 16 and potentially global presence with Nydus.
Did Pally forget you can mount?
What a stomp! GG
This game was so pitched it actually gave me a little anxiety. XD
That was a good zag game!
ZAGARA FOREVER!!!!!!!!
Random comment for channel interaction.
30+ minutes? pff :) The longest game I had was actually on this very map. But, these were times when garden terror was pilotable just like dragon knight. Also, there were 6 specialists in that game, a couple squishy assassins and a couple healers. Aba got above 500k siege there...
great vid as always, hollow knight
A - Z part 86
Feed the Algo
Thnx pallyt
We are down to the letter Z, three to go boys ;-;
4* he still needs to do the other part of cho'ghall
I like dings, there no dings :(
That game would've been 10 minutes shorter if you'd used your creep!
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hype caster
The bug queen
Come on man, more HOTS content. Waiting 5 days between videos is killing me.
34:11 10 seconds later 34:21
Zigzag, my favourite lanebully.
there isnt hero she cant steal their lunch money and then showe in to the closet.
Positive comment
Tbh I think this game shows how bad the roach quest talent is: a 30-minute game and Pally still didn't complete it. Is a 20% larger radius worth that talent? I'd argue no.
good game
Erg. I hate the "talent diversity" argument. No. Some talents should be situational picks, useful for certain situations. And the rest can be playstyle modifiers. It doesn't need to be a near-even "diversity" of talents. Just because stealth reveal isn't picked in every game doesn't mean that it's right and proper to remove from a character that doesn't have any better source of it.
And even just within playstyle modifiers... some playstyles are not fun to the majority of people, regardless of their power. That doesn't make one or the other inherently more powerful than the other.
gg
damnnn
Creep, creep everywhere
It's almost completed