He had monetary motivation to be against the brothers and is thus not a reliable source of information since ulterior motives could be at play. He is also dead. Which makes me kinda sad. I wish he would have seen this and experienced the brothers' new court hearing on November 29. But then again, them getting out of prison would probably have caused him a heart attack anyway.
@@helenfong3339 Links and source to that claim? The brothers spent almost a million dollars of the inheritance in a wild spending spree, then the rest went to their legal bills.
@@A.M-b8t Milton Andersen, Kitty Menendez’s 90-year-old brother, said through an attorney that his nephews’ “cold-blooded actions shattered their family.” “Mr. Anderson believes that the reason that his nephews murdered Kitty and her husband was because of greed,” said Kathy Cady, Andersen’s attorney, adding that the brothers had learned that their father, Jose, was planning to take them out of the will. “He prefers that (the Menendez brothers) stay in prison because he believes that’s what justice requires,” Cady said. Milton Andersen is alive and well and loved his sister Kitty very much.
@@ritahorvath8207but if you read about the case then you would know that the cousin went right to the mother and let her know that Lyle had said he was being abused and the mother took him away and did nothing about it so you can only blame them so much
I agree with you completely. However as a child of severe abuse from a step mother, it’s way easier said than done. We all had to accept it because nobody was going to stop it. And if we tried to stop it we were abused even more. It wasn’t until I was an adult and could move away, that I was able to be free: but you are never really free from the chains of abuse mentality and emotionally. ❤️
You make it sound so easy. My HS friend was molested by her father. The mother did not believe her. Most likely her brothers didn't believe her. How is a child going to stop such abuse, 40 years ago?
I hear you ❤️🩹. My mother was extremely abusive. My father let her. I married a man who was horribly coercive abusive to me, 13 years almost to the day, he still harasses and obstructs in sneaky ways. His way in, the children. Our second child has additional needs, so ever at 18y, it’s not like she is raised. I never dated since. Maybe some day. I would never allow a man come into our home and interfer with our life. Indeed if I ever meet a man I consider dating, I would naturally pay attention to his relationship with his children. I know this sounds like man rant. I want to say clean that your father, luke mine threw us under the bus to an evil woman. We were just little kids and then vulnerable teenagers. And our fathers did this for their selfish reasons. Shame on them. That is the shame that got put on us. This family, the extended family, they have many demons.
@@firenze5555 The money motive never made sense. The prosecution literally had to withdraw it and change to another motive because the grand jury dismissed it as lacking evidence. Also, it makes no sense to kill someone for an inheritance if you think you're being cut out of the will ! You ain't getting nothing under those circumstances.
@@fortunecollector Their mom was abusing them, too. She kept nude pictures of her sons. She told them that she knew about their father abusing them. Kitty's siblings talked about how Kitty was abusive and they said that whenever they were at their house they tried to go see what was going on after hearing Erik screaming, but Kitty told them not to go down the hall. Kitty discovered that her husband had been having an eight year affair with a woman and she was angry and bitter and she took out her anger on their sons. Katie was not their mother. She was a monster just like her husband.
@@addisperez8205 That's nonsense. There was no such evidence that was deemed credible to be admitted to court. The poor mother must have been in despair to have two sociopathic sons who refused to get jobs and burgled neighbors' homes for money, money, money.
I told family members about my abuse and they said I was lying. It wasn’t nearly as bad as this and I was skewered for mentioning it. I understand about spending the money. When my dad died, I did the same thing, because I felt I had it coming. Free them now!
That is a good explanation of a possible mental state of the brothers for the spending spree. It was their salary of pain. They are also obviously mentally wrecked with what they endured and even more what they did to their parents. Spending money allows you a few minutes of distraction, of purpose.
Eu fugi de um homem abusivo e para isso peguei dinheiro dele. Ao chegar na minha cidade gastei o dinheiro fazendo coisas que nunca tinha feito, como por exemplo pagar um voo panorâmico no Rio de Janeiro. Também, paguei um táxi para passear comigo o dia inteiro nos pontos turísticos da cidade. Qualquer pessoa me julgaria por achar que eu estava ostentando com dinheiro alheio, é por muito tempo eu nunca pensei sobre isso. Mas agora passados tantos anos, sei exatamente o que eu estava sentindo e o que me motivou a gastar dinheiro como se não houvesse amanhã. Foi pelo fato de ter me libertado de um ser das trevas e estar livre celebrar a vida. Então, entendo pessoas que agem assim.
I am sorry this happened to you, I can only imagine how hopeless and lost you must have felt with no one believing you. It should not have been that way.
I had abusive parents and childhood and I was terrified of standing up for myself.. even in my mid 30's. And it was nothing compared to what these boys went through.
I had a very difficult childhood. Since I was 5 years old, I experienced abuse from a family member and the husband of the woman who took care of me. At 14 I started working and at 15 I distanced myself from everyone. I didn't kill anyone and I got ahead when I was only 15 years old. These brothers were now adults enough to leave home.
Yes I witnessed it with my father. He was abused as a kid. He was a big guy he was a weightlifter but he was a little scared boy when he was with his father. Mind is so strong.
These con artists were not SA! Some of you are clueless. Have these people take lie detector tests before you decide to hitch your wagons to these sociopaths!
@@helenfong3339 especially male victims! Society needs to stop treating men like THEY'RE the wuss for speaking out against bullying and SA. Men must be given the safe and supportive space to freely report that they've been abused.
You are not the judge & jury. Even the family wants them released. Why don’t you stop judging the brothers and have some compassion instead. Wouldn’t you want others to show you compassion? I have no doubt that you would.
This family needs be there for them when they are released. They also need good therapy. The damage throughout the extended family is severe. The behaviour of the therapist who disclosed confidentiality sourced material in the very privileged space, one could say sacred space of the therapy relationship to his girlfriend behaved in a way that was highly unethical. Also, regarding hid tape recording of the session, was this with the explicit consent of his client.? Was this therapist ever asked to give account to his professional regulating body? With regards to this information being in the public domain at the time, did any therapist bring this question to their professional regulating body?
Why? They killed their parents in cold blood. There is NO reason to free these people. Had they called police...and maybe moved out since they were both adults, ADULTS.... BUT no, they wanted to murder, collect any inheritance, blah blah blsh.
They were prisoners as children in their own home, suffering from relentless abuse, terror and exploitation. They’ve been in prison for the last 35 years for the killings they perpetrated as a result of that abuse. The sad thing is, they have both said that they felt both safer and more free in prison than they did growing up.They’ve been prisoners long enough. Let them live their final few years in the freedom they badly deserve.
I always believed them-watched the original trial. I remember being devastated during their testimonies about the sexual violence by Jose M. They never ever should have been in prison this long, if at all honestly.
@@elizabird6516 While on the one hand, we can’t condone people blowing unarmed and defenceless people away with shotguns, especially your own parents, unless it was done in immediate self defence, I do understand the circumstances that lead up to it. So, I think they should’ve been tried for manslaughter, not murder. They were way too harshly punished, considering. Also, they should have been mandated psychological counselling. That’s my take. I will say, that ant am early age, they should have been made aware, through the schools, that this kind of thing was completely wrong if you parents or anybody else does that, and there aren avenues you can go to, to get help. That just didn’t happen back then.
His aunt never changed she said it from the very beginning. Her daughter stayed with these people and was not allowed to go down the hallway when Lyle and Eric were in the room with Jose do you research man?
Then why didn't one relative intervene to save the children? Why didn't they speak up? Fear? I get that but children's abuse was painful and scary. Adults should've stood up then, not now. If you suspected it why didn't you call CPS? Don't say they wouldn't listen because they do and did. Fact is, it either didn't happen or you turned your head or you didn't really believe it. Man up and own it. All of you left the brothers to suffer for years ( if the abuse really happened ) We can't question the parents. They were murdered.
@marynywarriormomof1248 I get that the 51 witness were afraid. I get they weren't 100% positive. But if you SUSPECT abuse or SA, then speak up. It's then up to CPS or Police to investigate. But not one coach, teacher, neighbor or relative said anything. I get children not knowing what to do. But as adults, we don't just sit there. SPEAK UP! This could've been stopped and avoided. Murder didn't have to happen. The brothers didn't have to go through years of torture. The brothers didn't have to spend life in prison. But not one person spoke up. Not one called in their suspicion. Not one. Now they parade in front of the TV and try to ease their guilt. You 51 witness failed the brothers. The brothers may not have known who to tell, but the adults certainly did. If it wasn't true, that would've came out too. The brothers could've gotten long term therapy. There are no excuses big enough to excuse all the adults who just sat there silent. I'm sure the brothers would rather their parents gone to jail or gotten psychological help than to have murdered them. Either way, the brothers and their parents would've gotten help. It may never be known if SA happened or not. But for certain something was wrong. Something happened. All it took was for one witness to call in the suspicion. For certain if 51 witness called it in, the authorities would've listened. But abuse of children continues. SA continues throughout the world. Because still, few speak up.
The funniest thing of all is that nobody talked about SA until they were in prison. But before that they were spending their parents' money without any trauma.Even Lyle lived with his girlfriend Jaime in Alabama, if he suffered so much why did he return to his parents' house. Enough of so many lies from these manipulative brothers.
Especially back then when there was no internet to educate people about abuse and mental health. There was no support and victims felt completely isolated, families were raised to keep their secrets “or else”--it was an entirely different time-
I'm glad they are admitting it now but please people; if you ever suspect anything please report, help, speak up, etc. Do whatever it takes to stop it.
She has the opportunity here to do the right thing. It is a good day for her. She can connect with her integrity and her soul. By being videotaped in a public interview her support of the truth about her nephews will remain after her. Her sister, their mother, a complicated character to say the least and she may not be able to view their mother with any distance in terms of her role, responsibilities, position and personal choices as the mother of these two boys.
It's such a commonly documented response I don't think it can be considered anything but typical at this point. In fact, I wonder if psychologists/therapists use that kind of learned helplessness as a "tell" to determine if abuse claims are truthful.
Wrong. Being abused or not you can’t just murder two people yourself. They deserve prison time but not life. What you are saying is it’s ok to murder people in cold blood without punishment
it just sucks that in order for it to have been self defense they'd have to have attacked in the moment they were being abused. unfortunately since they weren't abusing in the moment of the murder, the law doesn't protect them.
@@user-rz3cr1zi4y What they needed was a micro-camera to actually record the abuse. They were not available to the public back in those days. Unless they actually recorded their own abuse there would still be people in the comments claiming they were lying. Even if they did, people would say they were colluding in their own abuse. There is no way to win, for an abused person, it is as if the world wants abusers to get away with it. It makes you wonder how many abusers there are out there. And then you take a look at the statistics, and you realise exactly why so many people in the comments are adamant that the brothers had no right to strike back against the torturers.
You need to base your perspective on the actual evidence and not a sensationalized TV series. Watch the 6+ hours of Lyle's cross examination. It is blood curdling how cold and calculating he is. He is also unbelievable and parts of his testimony are totally far fetched.
EXACTLY WHAT I SAID!! WHY DID THEY WAIT THIS LONG TO SAY ANYTHING? IF THEY KNEW ABOUT IT THEY CAN GET IN TROUBLE FOR EVEN KNOWING ABOUT THE ABUSE!! THEY ARE JUST AS GUILTY AS LYLE AND ERIC SAID THEIR PARENTS DID TO THEM...
@@KrystyneY READ AGAIN THEY SAID THEY SUSPECTED IT FROM THE BEGINING THEY KNEW ABOUT IT ALL ALONG!! THEY ARE GUILTY!! THEY SHOULD BE IN PRISON FOR THE FACT THEY KNEW ABOUT IT NOW THEY WANT TO COME OUT AND SAY IT???
I feel like the mom knew, let it happen to her children because because it was the only way for her to keep her husband. She was probably "jealous"of her own boys getting her husband's attention, leading her to being awful to them when her husband wasn't around. She probably grew numbed to her husband abusing their own children, leading her to do it too... How awful. No need of a new trial or sentencing. Just free them. I think we have heard enough.
Horrific parents. You cannot sugarcoat that. And I understand it's hard to admit to have psychpaths/sociopaths in your family. And I am not talking about the sons! Their family failed them. We as society failed them. It's time for divine justice, not the rotten justice system to decide whether they should be free or not.
You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to the other cheek also. Matthew 5:38 Thall shall not murder.
My mum knew !! But she would mentally abuse me because she was actually jelous my dad preferred me! F****d up times ...thank god these things are recognised now
I knew a girl who said the same thing, her mom knew and was jealous, and the dad would buy the daughter gifts too. I hope you are healing well from your situation.❤
@@susanohara1584murder is the choice of very desperate people, if the boys were tried today in California they would have gotten two consecutive 11 year sentences. Because the SA , abuse , all the evidence would be considered now.
They should be released also given a HUUUUGE amount of money... bc they should NOT been in prison at all. Or not this long time anyway! They needed help and understanding. Not prison! Hope the best for these brothers and that the remaining time of their lives will be wonderful/good! They MUST be realesed. ASAP. Yesterday.
When I saw the photo of Erik with his grandmother ( Jose’s mother) hugging and him and smiling at Erik’s wedding in prison it proved to me they should be released. We now have two grandmothers who support them. That says it all. This type of abuse starts in families so both grandparents knew because it probably happened in their homes too.
It's the status the father had ... and these boys must have felt dead inside.... there is also an emotional part of abuse where it is hard to detach from the paternal person that is supposed to protect you. They felt trapped. Time served. God forgave them. Free the Menedez!
If you knew they were being abused, shame on you for not reporting the abuse. The boys did a favor for society. These monsters are gone. Free these poor victims.
ERIK HAVE A COMPASSIONATE HEART FOR PATIENTS WHO ARE IN HOSPICE, LYLE IS DOING REALLY GOOD THINGS IN JAIL, PLEASE MAKE THEM TO BE FREE. FREEDOM FOR MELENDEZ BROTHERS
You knew in your gut but did absolutely nothing? You could of saved them😢 They should of never went to prison, going from prison from the home to another prison is not right. Set Them Free.
Back in the late 80s, what could they have done? Police would have told them that they cannot do anything unless they see the abuse happening and just suspicion and gut instinct and weird rules that Jose Menendez had was not enough for police to investigate. The boys were shamed and groomed into believing this was normal.
@@OneWayJesus777-x2n I will work with your statement of "some" but in general majority, that was not the case. Think about cases not reported and not fully reported, or watered-down reported, or falsely reported to cover up all actual perpetrators.
Parents were evil. They didnt deserve those two sons. Children were supposed to be loved cared protected nurtured but they did the exact opposite and pure evil. Prayers to Free the Menendez brothers😢
@@RadioRich100 They literally have a new court hearing on November 29 that could lead to a new trial or resentencing. If they are resentenced to manslaugther, they'd be out. Brace yourself, perhaps 🍪 ?
the sob abused them all. We all know abused ADULTS dont even "tell" .Kitty was abused then involved. And kids who have been raised in that environment ALL their lives - think its normal- until they have an awakening- and then they literally go insane. #FREETHEMENENDEZBROS!!
Everyone needs to complain to SNL to take down a spoof of these brothers online they did 30 years ago. Watch it for yourself on youtube coz it is AWFUL.......Families members at the time contacted SNL not to do a comedy skit on these boys but they did it anyway.
Why take it down? Why care what SNL thinks? Is it hurting the brothers feelings? Why should they or anyone else care what a shitty show like SNL says? I don't see a point in taking it down.
Because its atrocious . Put yourself in their shoes. Imagine you went through that hell and then were had to talk about it in detail even though it was that painful to talk about and then someone comes and takes the piss by making a parody of your suffering because they dont believe you.
@@satsumamoon Well, that sounds like life story with my family. I was abused sexually, physically, verbally, mentally, beaten, betrayed l, tormented and then laughed at and not taken seriously, was told I was too sensitive, called a bitch, monster, loser, etc. I cried about it for years until I got to the point where I realized why do I give a shit what people think. Neither should the menendez brothers give a fuck what people think. People will always talk. Just because this is taken down doesn't mean people still will not mock them. We cannot be so insecure that we care about the opinion of others, because others will always disapprove. You'll never have every ones love.
No one that really loves and respects their parents would do what they did! It's ridiculous to assume that they loved their money more than they loved them as a person. How many people are inconsolable when they lose a parent they love? How often do kids do what they did just for money? It's a phenomenon that doesn't exist. There would have to be a lot of hatred and anger for it to happen. Ninety nine percent of young people would go on a spending spree if they suddenly got a lot of money. Given the abuse they suffered they should be released. They have served enough time.
I agree! They went on a shopping spree because they were NEVER allowed to ever make a decision for themselves. It was also retail therapy. Both sons longed for their parents' love. TBH, I believe they had arrested development caused by Jose. A therapist said Lyle had the mind of a 10-year-old & Erik had the mind of an 8-year-old. The killings were NOT well planned out. They truly thought Jose was going to kill them! Jose is where he belongs. As far as Kitty, she was a sad excuse of a mother who enabled Jose.
I always think it was like being kidnapped by sadistic, pedophile people, but you live with your parents in your parents house. It is simply impossible to understand for a child.
@ritahorvath8207 Just because you cried over a Netflix series doesn't mean that 2 murderers should be released from prison. Abuse doesn't mean you get to kill.Even Lyle lived with his girlfriend Jaime in Alabama, if he suffered so much why did he return to his parents' house. Enough of so many lies from these manipulative brothers.
@@saltandpepperandmint Can you imagine freeing all the criminals and serial killers because they are traumatized from being abused or having a difficult childhood?
They were too intimidated by Jose, also, you have to keep in mind that many of their relatives were teenager/children at the time, like Andy and Diane. The later even tried to tell Kitty that Lyle had told her his dad and him had been touching each other "down there", but she dismissed it. Diane obviously couldn't have known that Kitty was enabeling the abuse.
@A.M-b8t if the boys were so distraught over abuse and decided to kill the parents.Why did they not come forwardto law?Enforcement to state why and then proceed to go on a shopping spree? Seems to me.These boys had an agenda
I don’t blame Joan for looking confused. Ask a question like a normal person. I realize she’s older than most, but she still seems sharp & has a wealth of knowledge about the family at that time.
There were so many barriers for victims of abuse and sexual abuse that the barriers often were just as cruel. Back in the 1980s, police could not turn anyone in unless they actually saw the abuse happening. I know that's completely ridiculous but that's the way it was back then. Even discussing sexual abuse was taboo. It was finally making some headway for female victims but male victims were very much not believed or were shamed and made to "toughen up''
@@cpcrn7036 I was actually studying law back then, and in the 1980s, societal views often dismissed the idea that boys could be victims of abuse, which did infact contribute to the disbelief around the Menendez brothers’ claims. HOWEVER, if their family had filed a police report during their childhood, it could have created an official record of abuse, potentially lending credibility to their later defense. Documented evidence would have shown a history of trauma, possibly altering how the legal system and public perceived their actions, as it would have established a pattern of mistreatment rather than relying on their testimony alone during the murder trial. While this case took place in 1993, had official reports been made, and there was records on these boys since childhood from the family during the 80’s it would have contributed to a manslaughter charge. They would’ve been out by now. They all said they knew since the boys were you g and not one of them did anything about it. There’s no excuse.
@@Trainfeastfast sure, I get that but there's that definite difference between academic formulaic knowledge and what should happen and there's the real world. There were so many facets to the boys' situation including the father being wealthy/powerful and divisions and fallout between these family members. There definitely is that deep wedge driven in there now.
I’m so confused about this case. All the relatives say they when they were at their house they’d hear noises coming from the room and it was known not to go down the hallway or even be on that floor. It just seems like people were ignoring obvious signs. These poor boys literally had no help from anyone. Feels like a nightmare where you need help but everyone in the dream acts like everything is normal and just walks by you
It was a different time back then, awareness of child abuse by parents was very low. And if you suspected something, the general jist was to be very hush hush about it, sad but true.
Because its too difficult to comprehend . Its a bit like seeing a fairy dancing in the moonlight. Youd doubt it after a few minutes and explain it away to yourself because such things dont exist. Its not possible that your family would do anything to serioisly damage their children, certainly nothing that depraved. Even if Jose was openly gay or even if the chldren were girls. So what would a straight man be doing in the bedroom? Disciplining the boys would be the first thought given all of that and given that it was the nineties where such things werent on peoples minds .
@@constancedenchy9801it's not fabricated, there is plenty corroborating evidence that the abuse took place. Even a third victim of Jose Menendez has come forward by now. This man was a pèdophile, wheter people want to accept it or not.
Put yourself back in those times. And in their situation. In all serious thought too; not just a quick reply to my comment. They told their cousins and nothing happened. Even the family didn’t want to believe it back then. In todays world, it’s easy to ask that….
Thank you for interviewing these women. This is very much needed esp, for the public to hear. Based on the fact that these people are family. (Extended family.)
There was a "culture" that existed since the early 1900's at least that you don't talk about what goes on in the family and the pretense is that everything is fine. I tried to learn about my grandmother's past but both of my grandmother's took secrets to their graves. It's sad the evil that goes on behind closed doors and the off chance someone has had enough, can't escape, and goes berserk, everyone is looking at them like THEY'RE insane.
I love lyles face and strength and love ! He’s a hero ! It’s heartbreaking to know what he went thru ! Such a cute lil boy , how could u hurt him like that ? Both of them ! Truly evil but the strength in Lyle to stand up to his monster was powerful! For the ❤of his lil brother ugh gets me every time ! ❤lyle n Erick praying for their release n good ending
FREE THE MENENDEZ BROTHERS! It speaks VOLUMES that both of their extended families on the mother and father's side corroborate the abuse and stand with Lyle and Erik!
I'm sure that in the 1980s (prior to Jose&Kitty's deaths) they couldn't wrap their heads around the idea of Jose & Kitty abusing Lyle and Eric that violently. It must be hard to see your sister/aunt/brother in law in that light when you come from a 'regular', financially comfortable family who were around so many rich and famous people. They probably saw Jose&Kitty as a very successful family who had it all. The idea of their two sons (&other boys Jose r@ped) being m0lested like that must have been too much to understand.
But most of their relatives did believe them already regarding the abuse back then. Especially their cousins who had lived in the Menendez home with them temporarily. Most of them were teenagers at the time though and thus really couldn't do much. Diane even tried by telling Kitty.
Firenze5555 Were you there? Are you a part of their family? Why are you judging them so harshly? Next, you’ll be quoting scriptures from the Bible and stating that you haven’t made any mistakes ever.
Yes, most relatives testified for the defense in court back then. You have to keep in mind that some of their relatives were still teenager or children themselves and couldn't do that much to help regarding the abuse, even though they tried, like Diane Vandermolen. Unfortunately, she told Kitty of all people and was dismissed.
@@nellym.6555And those "visits" in the jail, which take place through a glass screen and over a phone are supervised and recorded. If there was any proof of fabrication, it would have been presented at trial. There was no evidence, which is why the prosecution could only insinuate that it was fabricated.
Not only for acting, but also for screenplay. Their life story is more frightening than what most seasoned horror movie directors could come up with. Especially the details 💀.
@@glitzgarcia8281 They claimed sexual abuse when they were in prison, not before. They have to use any excuse to be released and since the mother and father cannot defend themselves, everyone is manipulated with lies.The cousin never mentioned anything about the abuse until 7 months after visiting the brothers in prison.
@@nellym.6555This is factually not true. There was corroborating evidence for the abuse way before the trials took place presented in court, like Donovan Goodreau's statement _on tape_ that Lyle had confessed the SA he and Erik suffered by their father to him in a chinese restaurant. Or the CP photos of Lyle and Erik the investigators found in the parents posession. Not to mention Erik's letter they found in Andy Cano's estate. Your claim doesn't withstand scrutiny. Nobody is "manipulated with lies", _you_ are manipulated by hate.
I wish I know the answer. Maybe the family who visit saw they argument as normal between parents and their kids. But when the family isn't in the room the environment changes.
I remember when this happened and I remember thinking did the abuse really happen and was convinced it really did I know what they did was wrong but they paid their price Ana that abuse sounds horrible I couldn't imagine but I always knew there was more going on cuz it was unusual Ana I could feel their pain when they testified years ago and I was very young then
I feel for The Menendez Brothers. I endured a horrible childhood, that they are going to spend the rest of their lives overcoming. Truthfully after listening 👂 to Kitty’s Family She May have turned a blind eye, I think she was a victim of Jose’s abuse too, and she wasn’t strong 💪 enough to leave him.
You got to understand the roadblocks in the late 80s. Police would have said that they can't make an arrest unless they see the abuse happening. Just ask Tracy Thurman. ''Gut levels'' didn't fly back then. Sexual abuse was finally making judicial headway with girls, but boys being silenced or glossed over.
I think, in their young minds, there were WAY more reasons to NOT share what was happening. Number 1 being, their father was SO powerful over them - they never ever thought they could escape his wrath. I believe they truly feared for their lives if they exposed him. 2) the shame and embarrassment of telling that this was something they had been participating in with their father - how humiliated, “dirty”, and disgusting they already felt, and then having to talk about it. Their father psychologically abused them so much that they had to be FORCED to tell about it to try to save their freedom, and it still didn’t work.
They did. Literally the majority of the relatives testified for the defense in court and corroborated the abuse. The second trial was rigged by the judge and the only reason the brothers got convicted eventually. The first trial, where all the evidence was allowed, ended in two hung juries.
RIGHT WHAT KIND OF RELATIVES KNOW WAY ABOUT THE ABUSE EVEN BEFORE THE PARENTS THEY SAID ABUSED THEM? NOW THEY COME OUT ACTING LIKE HEROS BS THEY ARE LYING!!!
@@A.M-b8t RIGGED? WHY DIDNT THE BOYS COME OUT AND SAY WHAT THE PARENTS DID TO THEM? EVEN WHEN THEY WERE ALIVE??? IF THEY HAD THEY WOULD NOT BE IN PRISON!! SOMETHING FISHY ABOUT THIS STORY
@@OneWayJesus777-x2n First of all, stop typing all in Capslock, that makes you sound like you're constantly screaming, which is not helping your point and even less your arguments... it also makes you come across as insane, just saying. To answer your question: Judge Stanley Weisberg literally had to forbid the abuse evidence from being presented in court in the second trial in order to get a conviction. This is highly concerning, to say the least, and simple corruption to put it bluntly. You cannot just exclude evidence that's significant for the motive in a crime case because you feel like it. That's not how this works and turns the justice system into a joke. The Menendez brothers never got a fair 2nd trial and even the _jurors_ got railroaded, because once they found out about the evidence _after_ the sentencing they expressed they'd never voted the way they did if they had known.
@@bythebayou5351 I'm not talking about during a trial though. I'm wondering if they ever called authorities in the moment when they suspected something bad was going on. Did they call immediately, as soon as they suspected something?
@@jenniferhansen3622they didn't. And if they really knew what the brothers went through it's actually pretty disgusting. And I'm talking about the adults like this aunt here, not the cousins that were kids at that time
@@jenniferhansen3622 The cousin never mentioned anything about the abuse until 7 months after visiting the brothers in prison.They claimed sexual abuse when they were in prison, not before. They have to use any excuse to be released and since the mother and father cannot defend themselves, everyone is manipulated with lies.
@@jenniferhansen3622It was a different time, they were afraid of the parents, they didn't think it was their place to interfere, and the adult relatives didn't know the extent of the abuse.
@@A.M-b8t the entire court system was screwed up, I can't believe the judge denied evidence...why ? Who was this judge......I hope those brothers sue for injustice........everyone in the prosecuting team.
I hope the public speaking out by these elder family members will bring healing to Eric and Lyle. These men have spent all their adult lives in prison. Prior to this they lived in a war zone. They are not equipped for life in the outside world. There will be intense media interest initially. What they beed is a consistent safe environment for many years to come. This is where their extended family are in position to do the right thing. Also be careful of therapists and their is a need for therapy and family support therapy, it is essential that this is provided. The behaviour of the therapist who disclosed confidential therapy details to his girlfriend is extremely serious and a violation of all professional ethics.
The mother always knows. They always say I didn't know anything was going on... bullshit. Disgrace. Someone still has to be held accountable for all this.
When the relatives of the parents believe their was abuse, you know those boys were telling the truth. They need to be free now.
Kitty Menendez's brother doesn't believe that the brothers were abused and that they were lazy and greedy and wanted the money all to themselves.
@@firenze5555 This is the same brother who fought for the inheritance.
He had monetary motivation to be against the brothers and is thus not a reliable source of information since ulterior motives could be at play.
He is also dead. Which makes me kinda sad. I wish he would have seen this and experienced the brothers' new court hearing on November 29. But then again, them getting out of prison would probably have caused him a heart attack anyway.
@@helenfong3339 Links and source to that claim? The brothers spent almost a million dollars of the inheritance in a wild spending spree, then the rest went to their legal bills.
@@A.M-b8t Milton Andersen, Kitty Menendez’s 90-year-old brother, said through an attorney that his nephews’ “cold-blooded actions shattered their family.” “Mr. Anderson believes that the reason that his nephews murdered Kitty and her husband was because of greed,” said Kathy Cady, Andersen’s attorney, adding that the brothers had learned that their father, Jose, was planning to take them out of the will. “He prefers that (the Menendez brothers) stay in prison because he believes that’s what justice requires,” Cady said. Milton Andersen is alive and well and loved his sister Kitty very much.
Amazingly, families on both sides support Lyle & Erik! I hope they get out of prison ASAP so, Joan can give them a big HUG.
@@ritahorvath8207 Who knows why. They didn't know the extent of the SA..
They have been given a chance in life now to do the right thing.
they are useless why they waited to watch these boys ruined. These relatives should be in jail
@@seyhanbinns5539 maybe they waited because it didn’t happen!
@@ritahorvath8207but if you read about the case then you would know that the cousin went right to the mother and let her know that Lyle had said he was being abused and the mother took him away and did nothing about it so you can only blame them so much
Healing begins when you stop allowing toxic family members to hurt you over and over again."
I agree with you completely. However as a child of severe abuse from a step mother, it’s way easier said than done. We all had to accept it because nobody was going to stop it. And if we tried to stop it we were abused even more. It wasn’t until I was an adult and could move away, that I was able to be free: but you are never really free from the chains of abuse mentality and emotionally. ❤️
You make it sound so easy. My HS friend was molested by her father. The mother did not believe her. Most likely her brothers didn't believe her. How is a child going to stop such abuse, 40 years ago?
Sure but you don't unilive them!!!
I hear you ❤️🩹. My mother was extremely abusive. My father let her.
I married a man who was horribly coercive abusive to me, 13 years almost to the day, he still harasses and obstructs in sneaky ways. His way in, the children. Our second child has additional needs, so ever at 18y, it’s not like she is raised. I never dated since. Maybe some day. I would never allow a man come into our home and interfer with our life. Indeed if I ever meet a man I consider dating, I would naturally pay attention to his relationship with his children. I know this sounds like man rant. I want to say clean that your father, luke mine threw us under the bus to an evil woman. We were just little kids and then vulnerable teenagers. And our fathers did this for their selfish reasons. Shame on them. That is the shame that got put on us.
This family, the extended family, they have many demons.
I need to say, almost 13 years to the day when he finally left our home, with me paying half his rent.
Free the Menéndez brothers. They’ve suffered enough.
No. They killed their mom.
@@fortunecollector Agreed. When the father threatened to cut the brothers off from the will, they both were murdered shortly afterwards for the money.
@@firenze5555 The money motive never made sense. The prosecution literally had to withdraw it and change to another motive because the grand jury dismissed it as lacking evidence. Also, it makes no sense to kill someone for an inheritance if you think you're being cut out of the will ! You ain't getting nothing under those circumstances.
@@fortunecollector Their mom was abusing them, too.
She kept nude pictures of her sons.
She told them that she knew about their father abusing them.
Kitty's siblings talked about how Kitty was abusive and they said that whenever they were at their house they tried to go see what was going on after hearing Erik screaming, but Kitty told them not to go down the hall.
Kitty discovered that her husband had been having an eight year affair with a woman and she was angry and bitter and she took out her anger on their sons.
Katie was not their mother. She was a monster just like her husband.
@@addisperez8205 That's nonsense. There was no such evidence that was deemed credible to be admitted to court. The poor mother must have been in despair to have two sociopathic sons who refused to get jobs and burgled neighbors' homes for money, money, money.
I told family members about my abuse and they said I was lying. It wasn’t nearly as bad as this and I was skewered for mentioning it. I understand about spending the money. When my dad died, I did the same thing, because I felt I had it coming. Free them now!
That is a good explanation of a possible mental state of the brothers for the spending spree. It was their salary of pain. They are also obviously mentally wrecked with what they endured and even more what they did to their parents. Spending money allows you a few minutes of distraction, of purpose.
Eu fugi de um homem abusivo e para isso peguei dinheiro dele. Ao chegar na minha cidade gastei o dinheiro fazendo coisas que nunca tinha feito, como por exemplo pagar um voo panorâmico no Rio de Janeiro. Também, paguei um táxi para passear comigo o dia inteiro nos pontos turísticos da cidade. Qualquer pessoa me julgaria por achar que eu estava ostentando com dinheiro alheio, é por muito tempo eu nunca pensei sobre isso. Mas agora passados tantos anos, sei exatamente o que eu estava sentindo e o que me motivou a gastar dinheiro como se não houvesse amanhã. Foi pelo fato de ter me libertado de um ser das trevas e estar livre celebrar a vida.
Então, entendo pessoas que agem assim.
I am sorry this happened to you, I can only imagine how hopeless and lost you must have felt with no one believing you. It should not have been that way.
@@A.M-b8t Thank you!🙏
I always understood the spending spree too. Part of it was the family valued money and goods. Part of it was relief and comfort.
Free the Menendez brothers. God bless this family.
I had abusive parents and childhood and I was terrified of standing up for myself.. even in my mid 30's. And it was nothing compared to what these boys went through.
I am sorry you had to go through that. I hope you know it wasn't your fault and that your feelings are valid.
Same here. My dad reminds me of the brothers dad minus the SA. Its so hard to let go and im terrified
I had a very difficult childhood. Since I was 5 years old, I experienced abuse from a family member and the husband of the woman who took care of me. At 14 I started working and at 15 I distanced myself from everyone. I didn't kill anyone and I got ahead when I was only 15 years old. These brothers were now adults enough to leave home.
Yes I witnessed it with my father. He was abused as a kid. He was a big guy he was a weightlifter but he was a little scared boy when he was with his father. Mind is so strong.
These con artists were not SA! Some of you are clueless. Have these people take lie detector tests before you decide to hitch your wagons to these sociopaths!
Times have changed. Sexual abuse should not be hidden.
The Menendez case & all the uproar may give SA'd victims the courage to come forward! This will be part of their legacy.
@@helenfong3339 Yeah, they were kind of the first who dragged that dark secret/topic into the limelight.
@@williamhartz8707 Lying about being sexually abused to beat a murder rap should not be tolerated.
@@helenfong3339 especially male victims! Society needs to stop treating men like THEY'RE the wuss for speaking out against bullying and SA. Men must be given the safe and supportive space to freely report that they've been abused.
@@supowell1 Yes, EVERYONE is lying lol.
Wise up
Bless Aunt Joan for staying strong. And Diane for remaining consistent with her testimony for 35 years.
Where was she during those alleged abuses? Yeah right. Liars.
I cannot believe this is even a question - they should be FREED.
No - they murdered TWO people. Double life sentence.
You are not the judge & jury. Even the family wants them released. Why don’t you stop judging the brothers and have some compassion instead. Wouldn’t you want others to show you compassion? I have no doubt that you would.
This family needs be there for them when they are released. They also need good therapy. The damage throughout the extended family is severe. The behaviour of the therapist who disclosed confidentiality sourced material in the very privileged space, one could say sacred space of the therapy relationship to his girlfriend behaved in a way that was highly unethical. Also, regarding hid tape recording of the session, was this with the explicit consent of his client.?
Was this therapist ever asked to give account to his professional regulating body? With regards to this information being in the public domain at the time, did any therapist bring this question to their professional regulating body?
@@firenze5555 Stop spamming the comment section! Get a life jfc
Why? They killed their parents in cold blood. There is NO reason to free these people.
Had they called police...and maybe moved out since they were both adults, ADULTS....
BUT no, they wanted to murder, collect any inheritance, blah blah blsh.
They were prisoners as children in their own home, suffering from relentless abuse, terror and exploitation. They’ve been in prison for the last 35 years for the killings they perpetrated as a result of that abuse. The sad thing is, they have both said that they felt both safer and more free in prison than they did growing up.They’ve been prisoners long enough. Let them live their final few years in the freedom they badly deserve.
Well said
they are in their early fifties, so I hope they have more than a few years! :)
They both look happier in prison than they did as “carefree” kids
I always believed them-watched the original trial. I remember being devastated during their testimonies about the sexual violence by Jose M. They never ever should have been in prison this long, if at all honestly.
@@elizabird6516 While on the one hand, we can’t condone people blowing unarmed and defenceless people away with shotguns, especially your own parents, unless it was done in immediate self defence, I do understand the circumstances that lead up to it. So, I think they should’ve been tried for manslaughter, not murder. They were way too harshly punished, considering. Also, they should have been mandated psychological counselling. That’s my take. I will say, that ant am early age, they should have been made aware, through the schools, that this kind of thing was completely wrong if you parents or anybody else does that, and there aren avenues you can go to, to get help. That just didn’t happen back then.
I really hope their aunt Joan can give them a hugs soon 🙏🏽🙏🏽
Free the Menendez brothers 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽
His aunt never changed she said it from the very beginning. Her daughter stayed with these people and was not allowed to go down the hallway when Lyle and Eric were in the room with Jose do you research man?
Then why didn't one relative intervene to save the children? Why didn't they speak up? Fear? I get that but children's abuse was painful and scary. Adults should've stood up then, not now. If you suspected it why didn't you call CPS? Don't say they wouldn't listen because they do and did. Fact is, it either didn't happen or you turned your head or you didn't really believe it. Man up and own it. All of you left the brothers to suffer for years ( if the abuse really happened ) We can't question the parents. They were murdered.
They didn’t know until after the fact, the kids that knew were just kids. They didn’t know what to do.
@marynywarriormomof1248 I get that the 51 witness were afraid. I get they weren't 100% positive. But if you SUSPECT abuse or SA, then speak up. It's then up to CPS or Police to investigate. But not one coach, teacher, neighbor or relative said anything. I get children not knowing what to do. But as adults, we don't just sit there. SPEAK UP! This could've been stopped and avoided. Murder didn't have to happen. The brothers didn't have to go through years of torture. The brothers didn't have to spend life in prison. But not one person spoke up. Not one called in their suspicion. Not one. Now they parade in front of the TV and try to ease their guilt. You 51 witness failed the brothers. The brothers may not have known who to tell, but the adults certainly did. If it wasn't true, that would've came out too. The brothers could've gotten long term therapy. There are no excuses big enough to excuse all the adults who just sat there silent. I'm sure the brothers would rather their parents gone to jail or gotten psychological help than to have murdered them. Either way, the brothers and their parents would've gotten help. It may never be known if SA happened or not. But for certain something was wrong. Something happened. All it took was for one witness to call in the suspicion. For certain if 51 witness called it in, the authorities would've listened. But abuse of children continues. SA continues throughout the world. Because still, few speak up.
@@gloriabridges527 I agree and I think that more than just the boys were afraid of Jose Menendez, which is why nobody spoke up, which is a crime
The funniest thing of all is that nobody talked about SA until they were in prison. But before that they were spending their parents' money without any trauma.Even Lyle lived with his girlfriend Jaime in Alabama, if he suffered so much why did he return to his parents' house. Enough of so many lies from these manipulative brothers.
No one can understand that type of horrible situation unless they are in their shoes!
Actually I can understand. Fear can make people do crazy things.
So true
@@lucyluzhuerta Who wants to be in the shoes of two sociopathic killers?
Many have been worse off than these brothers and did not commit such a horrible crime.
Especially back then when there was no internet to educate people about abuse and mental health. There was no support and victims felt completely isolated, families were raised to keep their secrets “or else”--it was an entirely different time-
I'm glad they are admitting it now but please people; if you ever suspect anything please report, help, speak up, etc. Do whatever it takes to stop it.
They admitted it on the stand in the first trial..
It must of been a really long day for their aunt who’s 93 ❤️
Much love to her!
She has the opportunity here to do the right thing. It is a good day for her. She can connect with her integrity and her soul. By being videotaped in a public interview her support of the truth about her nephews will remain after her. Her sister, their mother, a complicated character to say the least and she may not be able to view their mother with any distance in terms of her role, responsibilities, position and personal choices as the mother of these two boys.
the sad thing is that many abused people don't believe that leaving would be the end of it.
People don’t seem to get that. Of course it was a bad decision, abused people don’t always think clearly.
Abused people are terrified and most of the time they freeze instead of escaping 😢
@@isabelhunt7410 Say that again!!!! Freezing in the trauma.
It's such a commonly documented response I don't think it can be considered anything but typical at this point. In fact, I wonder if psychologists/therapists use that kind of learned helplessness as a "tell" to determine if abuse claims are truthful.
These men deserve to be freed. Should have never been put in jail to begin with.
Wrong. Being abused or not you can’t just murder two people yourself. They deserve prison time but not life. What you are saying is it’s ok to murder people in cold blood without punishment
@@brich6875 They were being tortured for years. They had chronic PTSD. That is mitigating circumstances.
it just sucks that in order for it to have been self defense they'd have to have attacked in the moment they were being abused. unfortunately since they weren't abusing in the moment of the murder, the law doesn't protect them.
@@user-rz3cr1zi4y What they needed was a micro-camera to actually record the abuse. They were not available to the public back in those days. Unless they actually recorded their own abuse there would still be people in the comments claiming they were lying. Even if they did, people would say they were colluding in their own abuse. There is no way to win, for an abused person, it is as if the world wants abusers to get away with it. It makes you wonder how many abusers there are out there. And then you take a look at the statistics, and you realise exactly why so many people in the comments are adamant that the brothers had no right to strike back against the torturers.
You need to base your perspective on the actual evidence and not a sensationalized TV series. Watch the 6+ hours of Lyle's cross examination. It is blood curdling how cold and calculating he is. He is also unbelievable and parts of his testimony are totally far fetched.
Times have changed. Sexual abuse should not be hidden and effects the victim’s mental health.
Those relatives should have helped those boys if they suspected abuse! Shame on them!
It's not like that. Until the trials none of the family pieced it together to know the horrors.
@@KrystyneY oh ok
EXACTLY WHAT I SAID!! WHY DID THEY WAIT THIS LONG TO SAY ANYTHING? IF THEY KNEW ABOUT IT THEY CAN GET IN TROUBLE FOR EVEN KNOWING ABOUT THE ABUSE!! THEY ARE JUST AS GUILTY AS LYLE AND ERIC SAID THEIR PARENTS DID TO THEM...
@@KrystyneY READ AGAIN THEY SAID THEY SUSPECTED IT FROM THE BEGINING THEY KNEW ABOUT IT ALL ALONG!! THEY ARE GUILTY!! THEY SHOULD BE IN PRISON FOR THE FACT THEY KNEW ABOUT IT NOW THEY WANT TO COME OUT AND SAY IT???
Why didn't they speak earlier, Omg😢
I feel like the mom knew, let it happen to her children because because it was the only way for her to keep her husband. She was probably "jealous"of her own boys getting her husband's attention, leading her to being awful to them when her husband wasn't around. She probably grew numbed to her husband abusing their own children, leading her to do it too... How awful.
No need of a new trial or sentencing. Just free them. I think we have heard enough.
She sexually abused them too.
Thats very common, the mother always accuses and blames the kid why her partner rapes her daughter.
Like blaming a 6 yr old kid for wearing a short ..
@@yiavang102 mother was perver too
The mother knew all along..
@@lucyjackson9408 And you know that how?
Joan is the hero for this family and they needed her.
Horrific parents. You cannot sugarcoat that. And I understand it's hard to admit to have psychpaths/sociopaths in your family. And I am not talking about the sons! Their family failed them. We as society failed them. It's time for divine justice, not the rotten justice system to decide whether they should be free or not.
FREE brothers Lyle and Erik.
Brazil❤you.
Long overdue justice needs to be served now and the sick people that robbed them of their life are the ones who belong in jail.
People dont want to speak up when its family but those are innocent children being hurt and would rather die than live in their circumstances.
I feel so bad for those boys
Lord, help them. Let them walk as free men. 🙏
At least they’re free from their parents and they know their parents cannot hurt anyone else anymore
You have heard that it was said, ‘Eye for eye, and tooth for tooth.’But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to the other cheek also. Matthew 5:38 Thall shall not murder.
My mum knew !! But she would mentally abuse me because she was actually jelous my dad preferred me! F****d up times ...thank god these things are recognised now
Lesley, it is good that you now know that and can say it. Abusive mothers, cruel mothers, it’s like the last taboo. Peace and health to you
I'm so sorry. I can't believe the things people do to their children😢
Did you murder her?
I knew a girl who said the same thing, her mom knew and was jealous, and the dad would buy the daughter gifts too. I hope you are healing well from your situation.❤
@@susanohara1584murder is the choice of very desperate people, if the boys were tried today in California they would have gotten two consecutive 11 year sentences. Because the SA , abuse , all the evidence would be considered now.
I think what the brothers endured caused them a “lifetime of trauma”
Free them
They should be released also given a HUUUUGE amount of money... bc they should NOT been in prison at all. Or not this long time anyway! They needed help and understanding. Not prison!
Hope the best for these brothers and that the remaining time of their lives will be wonderful/good!
They MUST be realesed. ASAP. Yesterday.
Honestly, I think going to prison and getting rehabilitated probably saved their lives after having years of abuse!
José was sick and Kitty was even more so, poor kids, both parents were abusive.
jose and kitty menendez should never have had children and I would not be too surprised if there are other victims of jose's
IS THERE IS A EX MENUDO BOY BAND MEMBER
There is actually! Jose was something like p diddy basically
There is! He abused kids in the Menudo band also. One of them, Roy, has come out and told about how Jose raped him multiple times, once in his house.
@@brownbunny577Yes Roy
@@Yabucoagirl YES HIM SORRY I COULDN'T THINK OF THE NAME AT THE TIME THANKS ..ALSO I THINK RICKY MARTIN TOO
FREE THE MENENDEZ BROTHERS
Free them please!!! They suffered enough!
When I saw the photo of Erik with his grandmother ( Jose’s mother) hugging and him and smiling at Erik’s wedding in prison it proved to me they should be released. We now have two grandmothers who support them. That says it all. This type of abuse starts in families so both grandparents knew because it probably happened in their homes too.
It's the status the father had ... and these boys must have felt dead inside.... there is also an emotional part of abuse where it is hard to detach from the paternal person that is supposed to protect you. They felt trapped. Time served. God forgave them. Free the Menedez!
Liberen a los hermanos 🤍🕊️🕯️💫🫶
If you knew they were being abused, shame on you for not reporting the abuse. The boys did a favor for society. These monsters are gone. Free these poor victims.
ERIK HAVE A COMPASSIONATE HEART FOR PATIENTS WHO ARE IN HOSPICE, LYLE IS DOING REALLY GOOD THINGS IN JAIL, PLEASE MAKE THEM TO BE FREE.
FREEDOM FOR MELENDEZ BROTHERS
Libertad para los hermanos
!!!!No mas abuso infantil a los niños!!!!!!!
You knew in your gut but did absolutely nothing? You could of saved them😢 They should of never went to prison, going from prison from the home to another prison is not right. Set Them Free.
Back in the late 80s, what could they have done? Police would have told them that they cannot do anything unless they see the abuse happening and just suspicion and gut instinct and weird rules that Jose Menendez had was not enough for police to investigate. The boys were shamed and groomed into believing this was normal.
@@cpcrn7036 BS I LIVE IN CA AND THERE WERE PEOPLE WHO GOT ACCUSED OF THIS TYPE OF ABUSE AND SOME ARE IN PRISON!!
@@OneWayJesus777-x2n I will work with your statement of "some" but in general majority, that was not the case. Think about cases not reported and not fully reported, or watered-down reported, or falsely reported to cover up all actual perpetrators.
@@OneWayJesus777-x2nbut this was the 80s and 90s different time
Parents were evil. They didnt deserve those two sons. Children were supposed to be loved cared protected nurtured but they did the exact opposite and pure evil. Prayers to Free the Menendez brothers😢
They will rot in jail for the rest of there lives.
@@RadioRich100 They literally have a new court hearing on November 29 that could lead to a new trial or resentencing. If they are resentenced to manslaugther, they'd be out. Brace yourself, perhaps 🍪 ?
@@A.M-b8tthat’s so exciting that it could be by Christmas!
Free them
the sob abused them all. We all know abused ADULTS dont even "tell" .Kitty was abused then involved. And kids who have been raised in that environment ALL their lives - think its normal- until they have an awakening- and then they literally go insane. #FREETHEMENENDEZBROS!!
LOL
That’s a shame the justice system failed them.
Everyone needs to complain to SNL to take down a spoof of these brothers online they did 30 years ago. Watch it for yourself on youtube coz it is AWFUL.......Families members at the time contacted SNL not to do a comedy skit on these boys but they did it anyway.
You think it should be taken down, but you're telling people to watch it??
@@MissJensk1😂 right
Why take it down? Why care what SNL thinks? Is it hurting the brothers feelings? Why should they or anyone else care what a shitty show like SNL says? I don't see a point in taking it down.
Because its atrocious . Put yourself in their shoes. Imagine you went through that hell and then were had to talk about it in detail even though it was that painful to talk about and then someone comes and takes the piss by making a parody of your suffering because they dont believe you.
@@satsumamoon Well, that sounds like life story with my family. I was abused sexually, physically, verbally, mentally, beaten, betrayed l, tormented and then laughed at and not taken seriously, was told I was too sensitive, called a bitch, monster, loser, etc. I cried about it for years until I got to the point where I realized why do I give a shit what people think. Neither should the menendez brothers give a fuck what people think. People will always talk. Just because this is taken down doesn't mean people still will not mock them. We cannot be so insecure that we care about the opinion of others, because others will always disapprove. You'll never have every ones love.
Free the menendez brothers!! Enough is enough!!
Freedom for the Erick and Lyle . They have been through enough pain.
No one that really loves and respects their parents would do what they did! It's ridiculous to assume that they loved their money more than they loved them as a person. How many people are inconsolable when they lose a parent they love? How often do kids do what they did just for money? It's a phenomenon that doesn't exist. There would have to be a lot of hatred and anger for it to happen. Ninety nine percent of young people would go on a spending spree if they suddenly got a lot of money. Given the abuse they suffered they should be released. They have served enough time.
I agree! They went on a shopping spree because they were NEVER allowed to ever make a decision for themselves. It was also retail therapy. Both sons longed for their parents' love. TBH, I believe they had arrested development caused by Jose. A therapist said Lyle had the mind of a 10-year-old & Erik had the mind of an 8-year-old. The killings were NOT well planned out. They truly thought Jose was going to kill them! Jose is where he belongs. As far as Kitty, she was a sad excuse of a mother who enabled Jose.
Two words: Stockholm Syndrome. THEY NEED A NEW TRIAL WITH ALL OF THE EVIDENCE AND ABUSER/VICTIM RESEARCH BROUGHT TO LIGHT💙
I always think it was like being kidnapped by sadistic, pedophile people, but you live with your parents in your parents house. It is simply impossible to understand for a child.
@ritahorvath8207 Just because you cried over a Netflix series doesn't mean that 2 murderers should be released from prison. Abuse doesn't mean you get to kill.Even Lyle lived with his girlfriend Jaime in Alabama, if he suffered so much why did he return to his parents' house. Enough of so many lies from these manipulative brothers.
@@nellym.6555 your comments are the same every time. You didn’t watch the trials did you?
@@nellym.6555careful, you’ll be put in a position where you would be forced to have more sympathy and understanding for abused children
@@saltandpepperandmint Can you imagine freeing all the criminals and serial killers because they are traumatized from being abused or having a difficult childhood?
If you suspected abuse why did you do NOTHING???????
Yes true, but I think they were all afraid of Jose.
Same with Nicole Brown Simpson's family. They witnessed OJ abusing Nicole but were just as afraid of OJ as Nicole was.
@@KChelseaVenusgrow up, he didn't murder anyone, unlike his sons
They were too intimidated by Jose, also, you have to keep in mind that many of their relatives were teenager/children at the time, like Andy and Diane. The later even tried to tell Kitty that Lyle had told her his dad and him had been touching each other "down there", but she dismissed it. Diane obviously couldn't have known that Kitty was enabeling the abuse.
@A.M-b8t if the boys were so distraught over abuse and decided to kill the parents.Why did they not come forwardto law?Enforcement to state why and then proceed to go on a shopping spree? Seems to me.These boys had an agenda
I always said they should of never been sent to jail it’s long over do set the free
FREE THEM NOW!!
Free them please 🥺
I don’t blame Joan for looking confused. Ask a question like a normal person. I realize she’s older than most, but she still seems sharp & has a wealth of knowledge about the family at that time.
If they knew, or even felt it and did nothing… that’s gross. This could’ve all been avoided.
There were so many barriers for victims of abuse and sexual abuse that the barriers often were just as cruel. Back in the 1980s, police could not turn anyone in unless they actually saw the abuse happening. I know that's completely ridiculous but that's the way it was back then. Even discussing sexual abuse was taboo. It was finally making some headway for female victims but male victims were very much not believed or were shamed and made to "toughen up''
@@cpcrn7036 I was actually studying law back then, and in the 1980s, societal views often dismissed the idea that boys could be victims of abuse, which did infact contribute to the disbelief around the Menendez brothers’ claims. HOWEVER, if their family had filed a police report during their childhood, it could have created an official record of abuse, potentially lending credibility to their later defense. Documented evidence would have shown a history of trauma, possibly altering how the legal system and public perceived their actions, as it would have established a pattern of mistreatment rather than relying on their testimony alone during the murder trial.
While this case took place in 1993, had official reports been made, and there was records on these boys since childhood from the family during the 80’s it would have contributed to a manslaughter charge. They would’ve been out by now.
They all said they knew since the boys were you g and not one of them did anything about it. There’s no excuse.
@@Trainfeastfast sure, I get that but there's that definite difference between academic formulaic knowledge and what should happen and there's the real world. There were so many facets to the boys' situation including the father being wealthy/powerful and divisions and fallout between these family members. There definitely is that deep wedge driven in there now.
@@cpcrn7036 I’m sorry but the court of law doesn’t work on “what should happen”.
@@Trainfeastfast well, yes, that was what I was saying!
The relatives knew about it?? And they did nothing to help the 2 brothers??? So they agreed what the parents did! That's a crime too.
They suspected it.
They didn't know
Set them free!! The trial was not fair and they totally ignored the abused those kids were suffered and the jury was awful! They have to be free.
They deserve to be free. Abuse on a level we can’t even comprehend 😢
I’m so confused about this case. All the relatives say they when they were at their house they’d hear noises coming from the room and it was known not to go down the hallway or even be on that floor. It just seems like people were ignoring obvious signs. These poor boys literally had no help from anyone. Feels like a nightmare where you need help but everyone in the dream acts like everything is normal and just walks by you
You hear a lot of times in abuse and someone knew even the mother…for some reason they don’t say anything
It was a different time back then, awareness of child abuse by parents was very low. And if you suspected something, the general jist was to be very hush hush about it, sad but true.
My question is why didnt they intervene?
Because its too difficult to comprehend . Its a bit like seeing a fairy dancing in the moonlight. Youd doubt it after a few minutes and explain it away to yourself because such things dont exist. Its not possible that your family would do anything to serioisly damage their children, certainly nothing that depraved. Even if Jose was openly gay or even if the chldren were girls. So what would a straight man be doing in the bedroom? Disciplining the boys would be the first thought given all of that and given that it was the nineties where such things werent on peoples minds .
Because they've been manipulated into believing there was SA. There wasn't. It was fabricated
@@constancedenchy9801it's not fabricated, there is plenty corroborating evidence that the abuse took place. Even a third victim of Jose Menendez has come forward by now. This man was a pèdophile, wheter people want to accept it or not.
Put yourself back in those times. And in their situation. In all serious thought too; not just a quick reply to my comment. They told their cousins and nothing happened. Even the family didn’t want to believe it back then. In todays world, it’s easy to ask that….
Thank you for interviewing these women. This is very much needed esp, for the public to hear. Based on the fact that these people are family. (Extended family.)
Children are told they will be killed, etc. if they tell. They are defenseless.
There was a "culture" that existed since the early 1900's at least that you don't talk about what goes on in the family and the pretense is that everything is fine. I tried to learn about my grandmother's past but both of my grandmother's took secrets to their graves. It's sad the evil that goes on behind closed doors and the off chance someone has had enough, can't escape, and goes berserk, everyone is looking at them like THEY'RE insane.
Back then if you didn’t know for sure if abuse was occurring then very few would speak up against child guardians/parents.
I love lyles face and strength and love ! He’s a hero ! It’s heartbreaking to know what he went thru ! Such a cute lil boy , how could u hurt him like that ? Both of them ! Truly evil but the strength in Lyle to stand up to his monster was powerful! For the ❤of his lil brother ugh gets me every time ! ❤lyle n Erick praying for their release n good ending
FREE THE MENENDEZ BROTHERS! It speaks VOLUMES that both of their extended families on the mother and father's side corroborate the abuse and stand with Lyle and Erik!
I'm sure that in the 1980s (prior to Jose&Kitty's deaths) they couldn't wrap their heads around the idea of Jose & Kitty abusing Lyle and Eric that violently. It must be hard to see your sister/aunt/brother in law in that light when you come from a 'regular', financially comfortable family who were around so many rich and famous people. They probably saw Jose&Kitty as a very successful family who had it all. The idea of their two sons (&other boys Jose r@ped) being m0lested like that must have been too much to understand.
You tell a lie often enough and you believe it's the truth.
But most of their relatives did believe them already regarding the abuse back then. Especially their cousins who had lived in the Menendez home with them temporarily. Most of them were teenagers at the time though and thus really couldn't do much. Diane even tried by telling Kitty.
@@firenze5555 Do You?
Firenze5555 Were you there? Are you a part of their family? Why are you judging them so harshly? Next, you’ll be quoting scriptures from the Bible and stating that you haven’t made any mistakes ever.
"And we did nothing against it."
All of you should of been brought up on charges of abuse....
Yes!!
😢😢DEBEN LIBERARLOS, LYLE Y ERIK MENÉNDEZ YA PAGARON DEMASIADO.....
Did these people speak up 30
Years ago???
The cousin never mentioned anything about the abuse until 7 months after visiting the brothers in prison.
Yes, most relatives testified for the defense in court back then. You have to keep in mind that some of their relatives were still teenager or children themselves and couldn't do that much to help regarding the abuse, even though they tried, like Diane Vandermolen. Unfortunately, she told Kitty of all people and was dismissed.
@@nellym.6555And those "visits" in the jail, which take place through a glass screen and over a phone are supervised and recorded. If there was any proof of fabrication, it would have been presented at trial. There was no evidence, which is why the prosecution could only insinuate that it was fabricated.
For all of you who think the brothers were putting on an act, then they deserve the Oscar!!!
Agree.
Not only for acting, but also for screenplay. Their life story is more frightening than what most seasoned horror movie directors could come up with. Especially the details 💀.
They knew, but did nothing.
Trump knew and did nothing.
How could they? Jose was very very powerful and even if they did.. no one would believe it.. even in the trial no one believed it
@@glitzgarcia8281 They claimed sexual abuse when they were in prison, not before. They have to use any excuse to be released and since the mother and father cannot defend themselves, everyone is manipulated with lies.The cousin never mentioned anything about the abuse until 7 months after visiting the brothers in prison.
@@nellym.6555This is factually not true. There was corroborating evidence for the abuse way before the trials took place presented in court, like Donovan Goodreau's statement _on tape_ that Lyle had confessed the SA he and Erik suffered by their father to him in a chinese restaurant. Or the CP photos of Lyle and Erik the investigators found in the parents posession. Not to mention Erik's letter they found in Andy Cano's estate. Your claim doesn't withstand scrutiny. Nobody is "manipulated with lies", _you_ are manipulated by hate.
@A.M-b8t Lyle proposed(Jaimie ex fiance) that she help his defense by suggesting that Jose Menendez had made sexual advances toward her.
Without evidence, its just words.....
Redemption for brother's ❤mercy Lord over the brother's
You'll never see another case where almost the entire family is on the suspects side. Very telling. Free the brothers! I want to hug them.
"From the very beginning". But they never took serious enough steps to stop it. I hope they harbor a lot of guilt.
Why did no one say anything when these boys were young?????
I wish I know the answer. Maybe the family who visit saw they argument as normal between parents and their kids. But when the family isn't in the room the environment changes.
It's easier said than done. The father was a wealthy and powerful man.
Someone should do a video on Jose Menendez because I see this all the time. That man was too fucking powerful to have been destroyed.
@@leedixon4228not as powerful as his sons, they murdered him
@@fayedunaway8his sons murdered him..
I remember when this happened and I remember thinking did the abuse really happen and was convinced it really did I know what they did was wrong but they paid their price Ana that abuse sounds horrible I couldn't imagine but I always knew there was more going on cuz it was unusual Ana I could feel their pain when they testified years ago and I was very young then
Things were different back then, family and spousal sexual abuse was kept behind doors and an embarrassment.
I feel for The Menendez Brothers. I endured a horrible childhood, that they are going to spend the rest of their lives overcoming. Truthfully after listening 👂 to Kitty’s Family She May have turned a blind eye, I think she was a victim of Jose’s abuse too, and she wasn’t strong 💪 enough to leave him.
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Yet more family members 'at a gut level' knew what was going on to these children, and did nothing.
You got to understand the roadblocks in the late 80s. Police would have said that they can't make an arrest unless they see the abuse happening. Just ask Tracy Thurman. ''Gut levels'' didn't fly back then. Sexual abuse was finally making judicial headway with girls, but boys being silenced or glossed over.
I think, in their young minds, there were WAY more reasons to NOT share what was happening. Number 1 being, their father was SO powerful over them - they never ever thought they could escape his wrath. I believe they truly feared for their lives if they exposed him.
2) the shame and embarrassment of telling that this was something they had been participating in with their father - how humiliated, “dirty”, and disgusting they already felt, and then having to talk about it.
Their father psychologically abused them so much that they had to be FORCED to tell about it to try to save their freedom, and it still didn’t work.
Free them. Free them. Free them.
Shame on the judge! How could he exclude the sexual abuse evidence in the second trial? Somebody ought to ask him about that now?
If they’ve been deemed no longer a danger to society, I think they’ve served their sentence.
Free the brothers!
They how come they didn’t speak up about it
The cousin never mentioned anything about the abuse until 7 months after visiting the brothers in prison.
They did. Literally the majority of the relatives testified for the defense in court and corroborated the abuse. The second trial was rigged by the judge and the only reason the brothers got convicted eventually. The first trial, where all the evidence was allowed, ended in two hung juries.
RIGHT WHAT KIND OF RELATIVES KNOW WAY ABOUT THE ABUSE EVEN BEFORE THE PARENTS THEY SAID ABUSED THEM? NOW THEY COME OUT ACTING LIKE HEROS BS THEY ARE LYING!!!
@@A.M-b8t RIGGED? WHY DIDNT THE BOYS COME OUT AND SAY WHAT THE PARENTS DID TO THEM? EVEN WHEN THEY WERE ALIVE??? IF THEY HAD THEY WOULD NOT BE IN PRISON!! SOMETHING FISHY ABOUT THIS STORY
@@OneWayJesus777-x2n First of all, stop typing all in Capslock, that makes you sound like you're constantly screaming, which is not helping your point and even less your arguments... it also makes you come across as insane, just saying.
To answer your question: Judge Stanley Weisberg literally had to forbid the abuse evidence from being presented in court in the second trial in order to get a conviction. This is highly concerning, to say the least, and simple corruption to put it bluntly. You cannot just exclude evidence that's significant for the motive in a crime case because you feel like it. That's not how this works and turns the justice system into a joke. The Menendez brothers never got a fair 2nd trial and even the _jurors_ got railroaded, because once they found out about the evidence _after_ the sentencing they expressed they'd never voted the way they did if they had known.
Why didn't they report this when the boys were young?
They did.
The judge in the second trial did not allow any testimony or evidence about the abuse, saying it was irrelevant.
@@bythebayou5351 I'm not talking about during a trial though. I'm wondering if they ever called authorities in the moment when they suspected something bad was going on. Did they call immediately, as soon as they suspected something?
@@jenniferhansen3622they didn't. And if they really knew what the brothers went through it's actually pretty disgusting. And I'm talking about the adults like this aunt here, not the cousins that were kids at that time
@@jenniferhansen3622 The cousin never mentioned anything about the abuse until 7 months after visiting the brothers in prison.They claimed sexual abuse when they were in prison, not before. They have to use any excuse to be released and since the mother and father cannot defend themselves, everyone is manipulated with lies.
@@jenniferhansen3622It was a different time, they were afraid of the parents, they didn't think it was their place to interfere, and the adult relatives didn't know the extent of the abuse.
Why didn't these relatives testify at the trial.....
They did, for the most part.
@@A.M-b8t the entire court system was screwed up, I can't believe the judge denied evidence...why ? Who was this judge......I hope those brothers sue for injustice........everyone in the prosecuting team.
Su abogada mostró pruebas,evidencias,testificar amigos y familia,aún así los condenaron sin escuchar,señor juez que diablos estaba viendo?
Sooo many years of Abuses 😢
Wait kitty abused the boys as well.
Yes
I hope the public speaking out by these elder family members will bring healing to Eric and Lyle. These men have spent all their adult lives in prison. Prior to this they lived in a war zone. They are not equipped for life in the outside world. There will be intense media interest initially. What they beed is a consistent safe environment for many years to come. This is where their extended family are in position to do the right thing.
Also be careful of therapists and their is a need for therapy and family support therapy, it is essential that this is provided. The behaviour of the therapist who disclosed confidential therapy details to his girlfriend is extremely serious and a violation of all professional ethics.
Is it me or does this man string words together that make the question hard to understand?
I'm glad truth is coming in light now.. Better late than never.. Supporting the brothers from India.. 🙏🙏
The mother always knows. They always say I didn't know anything was going on... bullshit. Disgrace. Someone still has to be held accountable for all this.
If you knew that they were abused as a child and you did nothing to save them may God have mercy on your soul