I'm not so sure about this HPI Ignition...
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 17 ต.ค. 2024
- I'm not so sure about this HPI Ignition...
Small update on the 250R and the HPI Ignition system that is currently on it. It kicks back pretty bad... it just doesn't seem right.
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What do you guys think? Is it the ignition? Or is it just my weak ass foot? 😂 Thank you for watching as always! 🤘
Michael Sabo bro not being a dick but it’s the ignition brother
Put stock one on it and it’ll kick over easy no kick back that’s from timing being off your smart you’ll get it right just don’t burn it up
It’s definitely the timing too sometimes you get lucky and it will start right up other times it takes a bit to figure out the bugs
@@robertwilson5754 100%
Mike- read my comment below about the woodruff key. Also, try putting the stock air box on as a test. Too much air at low idle speeds is the second thing to check according to my service manual
Love these back to back uploads on the 250r this bike has so much potential especially with the parts and labor you put into it
I went through the same deal you went through I have the older HPI ignition so it may be diffrent for you. Arlan said to set it 3mm BTDC and I set it up first time I was a little bit off I was 2.3BTDC I bought the dial indicator for timing and set it up perfectly make sure you tap the flywheel on before you tighten the nut. Tightening the nut will move the flywheel if it’s just set on there. There’s also a trick to kicking these 250r over get it to TDC then just barely mover the kicker you’ll feel it go barely past then one swift full kick no throttle. Got mine dialed in and it runs like a bat outta hell
Mike,
Before you do anything make sure that your woodruff key is still in the slot on the crank. I tightened down the flywheel on my cr500 w/o having the rubber motor lock up tool that goes where your spark plug is.
The woodruff key steel is softer than the crank by design, and your flywheel can be off quite a bit without you noticing it.
I have a 250r I just got and it’s got some prety bad kickback from what I’m hearing it’s the timing being outta wack or the Cdi box?
The timing being off causes some serious kickback. I would get that dialed in before you spend money on a cdi.
Carl Spehar ok great I’ll take a look at it thanks
This is great advice but the HPI setup I am running does not utilize the key; it is a taper fit and even states in the instructions not to use your key.
No problem. I would literally kick my cr500 until my foot was bruised and I was sweating. Got the timing fixed and GET IT AT TOP DEAD CENTER before you kick it.
The best way for me to explain this is to start with the kick starter up all the way move it down slowly. It will go down once very easily and that is when the piston is on the exhaust stroke. Let it go all the way back to the top and kick it down again slowly and you should hit the compression stroke. If it is anything like my CR 500 you’ll lift it up again and then move it down maybe from like 12 o’clock to 10 o’clock and you’ll feel it kind of ‘click’ at top dead center. Then let the kick starter all the to the top and with good timing it will go.
I know this is totally different but I had 2004 450r with hot cam and a 13.5 to 1 piston. An a aftermarket cdi box and that thing would put a baseball size knot on your leg if it kick back !! It was very hard to kick !! I had a 180 main jet not sure what pilot was . Anyway love the build !!! Can’t wait to see you figure it out
I know your pain, getting my Lt500r to start after it’s rebuild took forever. It’s still a bear, but I’ve found that kicking it with the ignition off 2 or 3 times builds up a charge in the capacitor and I get a couple good kicks out of it. When it kicks back though it kicks back HARD.
if your struggling to start it have you checked you haven’t got a bottom end full of fuel ? had a similar thing on my IT490 after a rebuild and 250 both had a weak spark, don’t know about your ignition but if it’s a sim spark try using a plug with a finer wire make sure crank. not full of fuel and maybe clean up the earths before you start ripping things off as powder coat causes bad grounds
Go with the 02-07 Cr ignition. I have a 431 puma and could not get the hpi to work. It would kick back so bad with motocross boots on that my foot would hurt for a week, no joke! I am not a little guy either. I tried setting timing several times and it would not work for me. Now I just roll the engine over to prime it and turn the key on and it fires right up every time. Mine was the older black box version. Good luck, hope this helps, Austin.
Hi. You have a great built. You need a lectron carb, this is by far the best mod on this quad.
Love the build man and love the update videos this channel has so much potential
Thank you for the feedback Jack Nothnagel, I appreciated you watching my video!
I have a kdx 220 that I had ignition trouble with. I chased it down starting from cdi then the ignition coil and still nothing. My last thing was the stator. It had super bad kick back with occasional back fires from the chamber. I changed the stator and it fired right up and actually sounded like a two stroke and not like a four stroke lol! Throw the stock ignition on it and leave it normal timing just to get it to run. Love the videos!!
What a bummer your so close, I have no experience with 250R ignition at all, but definitely sounds like timing issue with the kick back. I'm confident in one thing, you will figure it out. I'll.keep watching, can't wait.👍
Dude I feel your pain!!! I’m having electronics issues on my current build/project now and I literally just pulled ALL my wiring out and starting from the beginning again with new wire that hasn’t arrived yet. Although my build isn’t a 250R ; the electronics struggle is real my man!! Lol 😂 LOVE LOVE LOVE the way you put this bike together tho. The passion you have for this build is 100% evident! Perseverance will get you through dude 🤘🏼
Hey 250rs kick back your right it's all in knowing your quad. I get to tdc push the kicker 2 clicks down then bring the kicker up then kick it. Hope you figure out your ignition.
Wouldn't stress to much Mike can't be anything to big she started for a sec I'm shore you will figure it out soon 👍✌
Also if you run stock with the dynatek cdi it’s pretty mean and kick back isn’t as bad
Great work on the bike man cant wait to see it rip....love the frequent vids also 🔥👌
Hey Mike, does the HPI coil have a good ground? I see that mounted to the frame, did you expose the frame at coil mount? It may be fine if it has a separate ground wire. Good videos! -2stroke4life
You might need the air box and air filter on, that should help it idle!!
a bit time after... could you tell us what was the problem? becouse i would like to buy HPI but i have read many things and not all good about these system
Keep tweaking Michael you’ll get there buddy & it’s gonna be so worth it !!!!
Oh yeah 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
And try not to let any buddies have a go for a little while 💥🤣👌😂
lol... like matt?
I have a credit 500 with same set up splits centercases 5 times junk put stock back on never a issue
Did you set the timing at 2.9 degrees before top dead center ... that's where I have my hpi set and it will kickstart easy peasy on first kick ... and I have about 220lbs compression
Yes, I have a video showing me installing it to 2.9mm below TDC. If you used Arlans video to time yours and you have the HPI in his video; it's a different ignition.
@@MichaelSabo I used his video but my hpi is the new one ...the one on the video is older and the backing plate is different ... I have the same one you put on your quad . Maybe I just got lucky on mine ... but I am buying a complete motor city spark to go on my PV 363
Hey bro. I have two 250r quads and I have to use two different techniques for each quad start up.
One technique is I lean my quad over like a dirt bike until I see fuel drip out of my overflow line set it back on all four wheels then I give it one kick and she rips. On my other 250 I have to kick it with the front of my foot rather than my arch plus a quarter turn on throttle.
For some reason I find that using the front of my foot gives me a little more stroke in my throw.
I’m no expert but I have owned 25 different bikes or atvs in my life and I’ll watch my friends use their arch and struggle to start
Then I’ll come over and give it one clean kick with the front of my foot and it will fire up.
I would try checking the ohm readings off the Stator. Most of the time they will read good. If they do read good, it's best to do a peak voltage test. I've seen 3 stators go bad on 3 different brands of machines from failing the Peak Voltage test. To measure that, you need a really good multimeter with that function, or you can pickup an adapter for your multimeter off like Amazon. Good luck.
Love the back to back uploads 👍👍👍
just got off work. and i get to watch this. thanks for the sound clip i was mad last video since i didnt get to hear it lol
Ya that's crazy how you get the feel for your bike and other people try an try then you hope of her one kick weird how that works
Hope you get it running the way you want the 250r do kick back hard just don't hit your leg
When ever mike gets frustrated he has this “fuck it” look on his face 😂
Use the OEM ignition with a motor sparks city cdi box it’s cheaper than the CR ignition and way better
Whew I know your foot is sore as hell. Awesons vids bro thanks for the update 💪 💪
Thank you for watching bro!
Can't wait to see it run
OEM ignition, CR250, Motor City Spark. Those are the top dogs at the moment.
I'm a fan of the updated vids.
Is there any way to try the stock electronics, just to make sure it’s not an ignition issue
You have to find top dead center on that bike before you try to start the motor. Push down about 1 to 2 in the low-top Dance Center let the kick-start come back up and then kick it
Something with the flywheel flywheel key remember I told you about my ATC 250R Kickback so hard it was the flywheel key shattered
A few other people suggested this too but the HPI uses a taper fit; no key.
You’ll figure it out bro. It’s gonna be worth the wait to get it right in the end
You should try to start it when its off the stand so you can like stand amy where on the nerf bars and so its more stable
I threw a cr250 ignition on mine, and it starts first or second kick every time, and she hits.
250r is coming along great but I'm a fan of stock parts because I find they usually cause less headaches I like to do 1 aftermarket part at a time because if you have an issue you don't have to check every part anyways awesome vido
Make sure you are getting fuel. Then call Arlan again. He will talk your ear off and get it right.
I've never had that kind of issue I'm a 4 stroke guy my self but would love to own a 250r honda
You need a 2000 2001 cr250 ignition
Kx4 or a MEB coil
Lookin sick brother!!!!you'll get it figured out probably is really advanced..idk maybe try stock ignition
This bike is so badass.
Thank you bro! 🤘
Are you ready to start using NGK?
Knew someone was about to say something about that Bosch plug!
It would run better in my opinion with airbox and filter on... Could be a faulty spark plug aswell.
Someone skipped leg day 😂😂😂
Definitely an ignition issue. Mine was doing the same with an old CDI ( A bitch to start) Replaced with oem and was good to go.
Man that quad is looking real bad ass and Ive never seen any colour on a Honda TRX but you made up with dream plans on quads and can you try do some on trx450 4strokes
That’s a wicked machine
U need to have a sport quad meet. I’m from Long Island. I’m always looking for a good weekend with my son.
I'd love to get one of these together some day
Get the CR. I love mine
if you go 07 cr ignition everything is still available from honda...i have never heard bad about the cr ignition i have hear mixed reviews on HPI.
talk to arlen he will help you and the kick back and hard to kick is normal. im 160 lbs and i have to jump on the kickstarter to start it and its only a 269 with some head work and a port. and i was kneeling on the seat and kicked it over and it kicked back so hard i broke the seat pan and some stitches in my foot
Dude, even if it runs well once started, I don't think that's normal; especially now that I've put the OEM ignition on and it starts with regular shoes on now.
If it's a mx bike go with cr ignition. Totally worth the money!
Beautiful qaud hope you figure it out can’t wait to see it rip
I had an aftermarket ignition and it was dangerous to my legs so I ended up getting the oem off of eBay and it kicks over great even in slip on shoes
Buy the MED coil
Crf450 coil 2002 2008 with a new spark plug cap. Try that bud first.
You remember I had you do this on your last bike
I think when you went 2.9 degrees on the timing advance you went too far, try setting it to 2 degrees.
Definitely don’t kick that beast with sneakers on 🤘🏻
That's what I would do is put stock electronics on it & rule out aftermarket. & run the CR 250R JUST MY OPINION. sometimes bad electronics expeasly Aftermarket stuff can cost u motor probs. & the worst Migraine Headache in the universe. Wick On ✊
Very true man; I'd rather pay the money now for the expensive ignition than to blow my motor later.
Kick it with your purse man! Lol keep uploading the vids too.
also try to start without the tank cap ( open tank).
Honestly man I think the hard kick is normal bc their is a few other Chanel’s with 250 rs and they all kick hard as well but diff shouldn’t be dieing after start but I dunno just my opinion man am no expert by any means diff looks killer tho brother!!!
In my personal experience I have 2 310 250r my esr 310 kicks over easy it a 87 my 88 is a 310 with no porting and it's a bear to kick over I just had both dyno tuned by Stewart's sand sport and he told me my cdi was bad and had a weak spark if you take it to a place that dyno atvs they can tell you what's up but I bet money you have the same problem I do ... check the cdi bro
You will figure it out great so far 250r
With HPI it's not always the first big stripe on the indicator where it gives the juice
It's like l''''''''I'''''''I'''''''I
On mine it was the 2nd big stripe so better double check that
Any updates on the yz
i didn not know that hpi makes ignitions for something bigger than a moped😂 i got one on my puch super maxi
And check the float
Motor spark city if you can't get a cr250
Get rid of the bosch plug lol jk.
as far as the kick back and not cranking . id say ignition . send that shit back lol
Try putting you flywheel In the 1 o’clock position
10+ years of experience with HPI units....never trust the timing marks. Make your own and use a timing light.
that hpi ignition looks a lot like the pvl ignition which i used to have on a c/t 330 moter and it ran like shit, i put a 01 cr ignition on the same moter and woo hoo it was a rocket ,not saying thats your problem but that was my experience . I'm not a big fan of aftermarket ignitions for the 250r platform . just saying
Any news?
Yeah I have a 89 250r with a big bore 350 it's a bitch to start all big bore r hard to start with a lot of kick back even more with a fresh motor its normally for that
Just call BDTM and spend the money on there hybrid 04-07 CR set up. I just picked one up and it one starts on high comp 330. Your 250R deserves the best. It’s just more money. Lol
BDTM is a shady company I would not do any business with big dog toys Motorsport
Agreed stay away from bdt! Very bad people.
This thing is going to be mean. Can’t wait to see it going.
Yeah McFly those flux compasitors can be a real bitch but good luck. I was grocery store the other day a guy had one in the back of his truck so I waited for him to come out I asked him what the not for sale price was it was in better than poor condition and he said 6500.00 I laughed my ass off I told him 2500 cash on the spot he laughed then we both started laughing i gave him a beer out of the six pack I just bought i gave him my number told him to call me. we are going riding next week. and he watches your videos now since i told him about your YT channel.
Ricky stators aint no better
That is a distiming problem thats why he madre contraexplotions
if it kicks back, it means the timing is too early.
You could try some hotter sprk plugs
Its waaay simple ...prolly the easiest ignition to set up there is
dude for real in the past 2 months ive burn up 3 cdi boxs from dynatech . one i put on and it fried it idling after it cranked . the others i went out for about an hour . PUT THE OEM BACK ON lol if it fires up and runs great you know its the cheap aftermarket crap . im so sic of these aftermarket companies charging an arm and a leg for 250r parts and they dont even back the product up . id love to run oem ignition but the cheap ass ricky stator burned up my oem cdi . oh and by the way the oem stator puts out a huge spark compared the ricky stator . if i was you id keep it oem rather it be cr250 or trx250r oem is oem
Get the Nike plug
Micheal do you go tanning bro? lol
Can you do more vids
I’m telling ya, the Zeeltronic is the way to go, a bit pricey, but worth the money. I’m a huge two-smoker fan and I’m twice your age. When I started, they all had points and condenser, they were crap, then CDI came along, way better! One of the motorcycles I have is a Yamaha RZ 350, it’s the same engine as the Banshees, but with power valves. I put the Zeeltronic on it and it runs perfect! What is your current compression with a gauge? Have you measured your squish band? You can test it with a piece of solder, it’s soft enough to not do damage. I think your kicking against the power stroke because of retard.
you should try to kick start my sherco st 290 😂 you litterly have too jump on the kickstart
a weak spark boss you are a pretty big guy you should be able to kick start a dinosaur heart. Brother hit that thing like a piece of ass and shake it like a spoiled child and get it going meat.
Switch to stock setup,should solve your problem
Would you be interesting and selling it
If LED doesn't take it back then yes. I will probably offer it on instagram @michaelsabo350
Yo
Hpi is junk. Friend of mine has a led 430 puma with hpi it had same issues. He replaced with 2005 cr 250r ignition system problems all went away.