SEGA PLAYSTATION !? - A Console Planned to DESTROY Nintendo! - Gaming History Documentary
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In today's video Lady Decade takes an in-depth look at the story of the Sega PlayStation. A joint console venture between Sega and Sony that would see the companies go their separate ways with Sony making their own console. Let us look at this joint plan to compete with Nintendo and how it all went wrong.
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You're Lady Decade, but you never said which decade
I still wish the Saturn lasted longer here in the U.S.
@@markjenniferwolkotte8221 I know right 🙃
@@markjenniferwolkotte8221 & in Europe 🇪🇺 😪😔
So on point with your video's, keep up the Good work.
Nintendo and Sega have something in common: They both created their worst enemy.
Sega's worst enemy wasnt Sony, Sega's worst Enemy was itself
@@somethingsomething9008 good point. If Sega listened to Thomas Kalinske, we would of had a Sega PlayStation 5.
Sony designed their contract with Nintendo to be rejected. Creating the 'Habsburg Ultimatum' Effect.
Nintendo, Sega, and Sony all have amazing entrances into gaming, but Sony, at the time, truly was a rebel who defied the industry leaders and the odds. You felt that too back then. Their dominance of the industry makes it such a compelling story too. I do wish they'd remember those humble beginnings more nowadays.
Yah they were the only newcomer to understand what makes a good console. 3DO, Jag and CDi had impressive aspects but missed one fact: people wanna play video games, and they wanna play good video games
The other thing that Sony did when they entered the video game market was look at the PC and computer gaming scenes, especially the European microcomputer scenes that post Amiga didn't really have anywhere to go other than consoles.
I think they picked up a fair few developers who had been working on the Amiga, saw PCs as far too small a market as there weren't really any PCs or Macs that would have been price equivalent to an A500 or A1200 and _really_ didn't want to be trapped working with Nintendo and Sega.
Sony were unique in that they, unlike Atari and 3DO, were both big enough to subsidise the console as a loss leader and either fund or buy up publishers and developers and they were open minded enough to make the Sony PlayStation easy and unrestrictive to develop for.
Sony were also unique in releasing kind of limited devkits to the general public with Net Yaroze. I don't think any console manufacturer has done that until Microsoft made it possible to put its latest XBOX consoles into Dev Mode.
Sony's first game was on the MSX
They would mean gaming would have to go back to a time where the developers enjoyed making games from their imagination and not because corporate want a certain type of game for profits
Another thing was spending a billion in marketing for the original PlayStation. Just to stick it to Nintendo. Success
Sega of Japan did a wonderful job of screwing things up at every turn.
Turn after turn
Didn't they always?
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Not always, no. They gave the reigns of Sega USA to Tom Kalinski and the ability to drop Altered Beast for Sonic The Hedgehog as the pack-in title for the Genesis. That decision alone brought Nintendo down hard for a very long time. They didn't climb out of the hole until Sega of Japan killed the Genesis giving Nintendo free reign as the only budget system on the market. You had the Sega Saturn at $400, the Sony PlayStation at $300, and the Snes at under 99 bucks.
@@Sinn0100 and then they embarrassingly mishandled the Saturn.
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Embarrassingly? No, no you're going far too easy on them. They took a company that was at dead last the previous generation and built an empire out of nothing. They made all the right moves, fought the good fight, had throngs of diehard fans (like me) only to piss it away on pure idiocy. Oh and the stupidity didn't stop at the launch of the Sega Saturn, oh no. They then fired Kalinski for Bernie "Not Our Future" Stollar who then shackled all game development for sports titles.
What's sad is in 1996 through mid 1997 the Sega Saturn started to make headway. Sega wasn't going to win the 5th generation but damnit they were making a huge comeback. They began releasing hit after hit with games like Virtua Fighter 2, Sega Rally, Fighting Vipers, Nights Into Dreams, Virtua Cop 1+2, Panzer Dragoon 2 Zwei, Panzer Dragoon Saga, Virtua On, Burning Rangers, and Dragon Force...it was a smorgasbord of gaming excellence. They even shut the critics down with some truly amazing, cutting edge 3d based games...and Stollar ender everything. I love Sega but they're the biggest pile of screw up's the industry has ever seen bar none.
I still love that the Playstation empire is the biggest and longest running revenge scheme in business history.
Yh Playstation is in first followed by Netflix. Two brands that just came in got revenge and continued to dominate till this day.
Lady Decade, there is a book I think you would really love that got a VERY limited publication via a kickstarter (unfortunately I don't know if it ever got a wider release) about 8 years ago called "Service Games - The Rise and Fall of SEGA" based on the old Eidolon's Inn website, but better organized and greatly expanded. For SEGA nerds it's basically a Bible, easily the most exhaustive and complete history of any gaming company ever documented in a single book. I mean... this book gets into tech specs of all the consoles and prototypes even. It covers everything from the pre-history of the company that set the stage for its founding on forward.
Is there a way to buy the book today? I'd pick it up ASAP.
@@samalton5837 I don't think it is in print, but after posting this message I checked ebay and there were a few copies there for around $20, I imagine if you use a used book search engine like alibris there will be more out there too. Note there are a few different editions and there were two kickstarters. The second kickstarter produced the "revised and expanded" version which is in color (where there are images) and has more content and tighter editing (still a bit sloppy in parts if we are being honest, but the book is a fan effort). This was the version I backed, it comes in both hardcover and softcover varieties. I hope you are able to secure a copy at a reasonable cost, it is a real treasure for SEGA nerds and video game historians.
@@samalton5837 Amazon has a Kindle version (which you can read in a web browser) for $7.99, and paperback for $19.99
I just finished the ebook a couple days ago, its a great read for Sega fans and pretty much any gaming fan interested in gaming history.
@@samalton5837 Amazon have it in paperback
A Sega PlayStation would of been amazing. It would of been 2 of my favorite game consoles into one.
I have a lot of nostalgia for the PSX. It was definitely the best platform of that gen. So many great titles in all genres!
Sega Playstation?! Now,this is something I would be interested in
Well just imagine if there was now the sega PS5 or the nintendo ps5 ,or what if the ps1 failed but the sega saturn or the N64 were a huge success,maybe we would have now a sega saturn 5 or a Nintendo entertainment system 5;,haha😁
@@johneygd I think if Nintendo or Sega actually made a PlayStation with Sony, and if it were a success, Sony would still have gone off on its own afterwards. Seeing how good they could make a CD system. They just probably wouldn't have called it PlayStation.
When I think of Yakuza 1 and 2 on PS2, it gives me strong vibes of what a Sega PlayStation game would look like.
I always felt this one move was the key turning point for Sega. If they had worked with Sony they would have dominated that generation of consoles. (Imagine Square's Final Fantasy 7 on a Sega console)
Lady! You look purple! Did you eat some forbidden candy from Willy Wonka?
SEGA and SIE are still tight to these days. When almost every third party abandoned PS3 including Namco (Bandai Namco) there was only SEGA who released their flagship titles on PS3. Virtua Fighter 5 was timed exclusive. More obscure titles like Valkyria Chronicles got moved from Xbox 360 to PS3 due to market shares in Japan.
SIE went to SEGA to peak interest for Virtua Fighter again after they lost exclusivity of Tekken since Tekken 6 because of the merger between Namco and Bandai. Virtua Fighter 5 Ultimate Showdown was going to release on PS4 as f2p model on PS Plus. SIE had a better idea how many downloads VF5US will get and it exceeded SEGA's expectations. 8 million downloads in one month was SIE dead on with their forecast. And that's what you call a partnership or even a relationship. Successful partnership leads to a relationship in the end.
I had a nostalgic overload just seeing those old retrogaming mags in Readly 🤯
I remember when gaming historian also did a video about 3mistakes made by sega and hearing that this was one of the mistakes sega of Japan had did and to think gaming industry would’ve been different!
i'm trying to imagine a world where all Saturn games that we got would be played on a Sega Sony Playstion and it would have been HEAVEN :)
I discovered your channel 2 days ago. I gotta say, I love your content.
I quickly subscribed after a few minutes into one video.
You will definitely grow quite a bit and will be big in no time.
Keep up the good work!:
Just waiting on a Sega Saturn mini. I just want to play the Saturn version of Castlevania Symphony of the Knight.
Can't wait for the Super SaturnStation video to come.
There's a story of how Lamborghini started making cars. Apparently the founder (forgot his name) told Enzo Ferrari his cars where great, but they had weak clutches. Ferrari then yelled he built tractors, and he knew nothing of sports cars. This kinda reminded me of that. I love businesses started out of spite.
Imagine a world without wipeout! As a HUGE SEGA fan I still look at wipeout as the only racing game that ever rivalled SEGA rally.
Are you 100% Sure you have not teamed up with Larry Bundy?
I love his shows 🎉
But, hhhhey!!! More like Namco Baadguy than Bandai.
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My fave console of all time is the Sega Master System.
Got my 3 plugs, my sandwich is devices is connected, got the 8 wires in, and now I can use my cd 32 now I can play night trap awww wtf is this crap and eject..
I never understood this talking point that sega of Japan didnt push for 3d games at first for the sega Saturn.. um sega was the pioneer of 3d games on the arcades.. they influenced all their competitors with virtual fighter and Daytona.. why the hell wouldnt they not want their home console to do the same?
My favorite new gaming channel! Nice video! 👏🏻
Two ways to look at it really, had the Super Nintendo Playstation came out it would have wiped the floor with the Mega CD and any other competing system at the time...and the irony is Sony ultimately didn't need to get into bed with Nintendo OR Sega they ended up knocking out both competitors with the PS-One....the kind of success the Saturn and the N64 could only DREAM of!
Keep up the good work lass and, as always, stay safe!
Great Stuff, as always!
I’m glad I found her channel. I’ve been going back through the backlogs and catching up!
These videos are so sadistic. Systems you'll never be able to play. One after another. Keep it coming.
Love the content ❤️❤️❤️
BUT don’t forget that in the sega CD abd sega saturn you can find some sony chips inside them(depending per model) but still it proves it’s potential.
Hi, another great vidéo 😀. But at 2:25, for a lot of vidéos from your channel when you talk face caméra, why the light is red ?
Two reasons
1. First to stand out more
2. To replicate the lighting of an old school Arcade.
You know what would be really awesome? If Nintendo and Sega worked together as one company called Nintega!
A Sonic and Crash Crossover would’ve been interesting. 🧐
Another wicked video, keep up the work lady!
Sony does seem to love their 'fuck you' price reveals. Glad to see it's been there from the very start.
1:25 When I read the name of the title before I watched the video, a record was scratched inside my head and went Full Metal Jacket! "What the hell is that!?"
Just imagine, for a moment, you & I are playing SEGA exclusives on a SEGA PlayStation 5, whike scratching our baffled heads at the idea of a Sony PlayStation. 😄
I think it was e3 1995, not 1994 as e3 didn't start until then
What game is that song from that starts at 10:05?? Been stuck on my mind all day
0:02 your voice reminds me of Lucy Longhurst from that Tv show back in late 90s "Cybernet"
I've been looking forward to this backstory being covered ty
"Mistakes were made..." Love the Modern Vintage Gamer vibe there!! And wow, a Sega PlayStation...that would've been pretty sick...possibly moreso than the Nintendo PlayStation. And to think that Sega of Japan dissed Sony AND Sega of America as hard as they did...it's no wonder that Sony pretty much destroyed them, they had a chip on their shoulder the size of that very first model PS3!! I mean, Sony had mad beef, and they weren't gonna rest until they won. (Of course, the Sony Playstation DID have the concession of the 2D performance being a little bit on the wonky side due to the very limited RAM with no way to expand it) And win Sony did...Sega's just another third-party publisher, and Nintendo has been lagging behind the technological times since the Nintendo 64 and its cartridge format.
I'm betting Sony were laughing when they saw that the Sega Dreamcast was using a custom GD-ROM format and though "hang on, can't we churn out DVD mechanisms for all of eternity?"
...not that it stopped them using custom formats for everything else!
Great content as always. I saw in another video you mentioned you were a mum of 2. Could you maybe think of doing a video on how to juggle gaming with responsibilities and finding time for it? Maybe certain genres or consoles (switch) lend themselves better towards players with tight schedules. I say this a father of 1, with and 2nd due in May. 👍
Wow! Nice vídeo! 😄👏🏻
sega has some great and creative gaming franchises, but the management in Japan in the 90s really put them in the sad state of the early 2000s. I really do wish the Sega/Sammy/Atlus company as a 3rd party developer a bright future.
you show some things, even me as huge Sega fan an collector have not seen !
At least Sega never had to work with Philips like Nintendo.
I wish at the end when she answered the fan questiom about her favorite game and console she said " as many of you may already know, i dont play games, theyre for losers". 😂 that would have been a hilarious turn no one saw coming.
Please do a video on the failed Sega-Bandai merger.
Well everything happens for a reason, I wouldn't change the past. I loved most of all the systems I played in my life time so far, from Atari 2600 to Nintendo Switch. Good video.
Just wanted to say brilliant selection of peak Sega music throughout this video. Absolutely sublime.
Hellooooo there Lady Decade ! Saw some of your videos already and just subscribed ! :-) One thing more. Have you getting thinner ? You look quite stunning ! ;-) Keep up the good work !
5:26 obviously trying to hold it together to get the shot done, how many takes got blown from cracking up laughing? 🤣
Crazy how After Sega became multiplatform It was their former rival Nintendo that had the best ports for their games and Sony with their worst (e.g. Sonic Heroes, 06)
I’d never heard of this before! Super interesting.
I remember the Nintendo Playstation as one of your last Uploads. I only knew about it from G4TV's Icons which was around at the time.
I wish Nintendo went through with the Playstation Idea because now there was XBOX since the sixth generation which ended up three Consoles in the war. But I have heard about plans about SEGA's Playstation years later.
In time I've been getting Playstations up to PS4 and PSVITA and the only Nintendo Systems I've currently have are Super Nintendo, Gameboy Advance SP, Nintendo DS and finally the first Edition Switch. I never got a 3DS (Though I wish I did), Switch Lite or OLED Version.
The readly link didn't work. Could be because i'm in Taiwan, but who knows? I wanted to read old editions of Super Play.
Hi Miss Decade, thank you for the content & I want to say please continue your channel! Kiss
It's both Nintendo's and SEGA's "fault" that Sony entered the console market but let's be fair, their entry was an amazing one.
I wouldn't call it their fault, if I want to team up with your company on a project, but I want all the royalties, and the licenses to the games, and I'm going to brand your controllers with my own name but I did nothing else to them, how would you feel? Sony just wanted to own Nintendo without doing any of the work.
@@daedalus547 Well, the Play Station was a joint venture of both companies, it was Nintendo to slip up at the contract table not to notice that they'd grant Sony all earnings generated with the expansion and games developed specifically for it.
The creator of the PS1 said he always wanted to do something with videogames as he saw his daughter playing Famicom back in the day.
It surely wouldn't have gone _that smoothly_ for Sony if Nintendo didn't partner with them after seeing what SEGA came up with.
Great video.
i just watched you rant video and loved it dont let any fucker put you down i think you videos are great i only found you channel a few months ago but i love all you content,,dont let the shits get to you x
FF7 - one of the greatest games ever. Deep history, varied gameplay and a hell of a good soundtrack!
That is the most strange and interesting alternate reality line. I think that partnership wouldn't last for more than two generations.
What always impressed me is how Sega of Japan could backfire thenselves that critically.
Still longer than one generation when Nintendo and Sony brought the PlayStation as a SNES add on.
In the end, both giants were responsble for that outcome either way.
Quickly becoming one of favorite gamming channels
Please do a video on the MSU-1 virtual chip as well, would be a good sequel video to this and the previous one :)
what was the outro music?
Nintendo Super Famicom is so legendary that it has two successors. A company successor in the Nintendo 64 and a spiritual successor in the Sony PlayStation.
I sense a pattern here. Is the next episode on the Microsoft Dreamcast 2?
Love your videos! You look lovely as usual!
send a hello to Brazil. I liked your video congratulations.
Love the wrestling references. It would be cool if you did wrestling videos the same way. Like stuff that almost happened
By around 2001, Sega cut down on producing software for Dreamcast and ventured out to more platforms via Crazy Taxi ports. The Sega-PlayStation partnership was a thing not only for the first few Yakuza video games and Virtua Fighter 4 on PS2, but also a series of classic Sega game re-releases on the same platform and a Sega Saturn controller for PlayStation 2. If retro-bit and Sega made reproduction Mega Drive and Sega Saturn controllers for their respective platforms, then I just hope one day the two make reproduction Sega Saturn controllers for PlayStation 2.
Don't forget Shinobi and Kunoichi were part of that partnership as well. In fact, SCEE localized Virtua Fighter 4 and Shinobi in PAL region and Jim Ryan was at the helm. I do think their 2nd party partnership with Namco took more marketing space and SEGA's titles were overlooked which didn't made SEGA so happy.
SIE lost Namco after they merged with Bandai in 2006. SCEE at the time lost partnership with SEGA as well. It was only SCEJ who made deals with SEGA of Japan. More specifically Yakuza games from Nagoshi.
By the end of the video all I could think of was GradeAUnderA lampooning parents that point at every console, calling it a Playstation... in retrospect it's kind of interesting that nearly everyone had a finger in a potential Playstation pie at some point!
I never heard of this console ever. The funny part is the title itself for the fact Sega not only destroyed itself but also Sony destoryed it too with the sale numbers of PS1 and PS2 sales.
If you didnt know the playstation would have been a sega console if it wasnt for sega of japan than you dont know your gaming history.
This was interesting 👏
Increíble historia , te felicito mucho por tus vídeos 👍 . Saludos desde colombia 🇨🇴
Nice plug there lady decade
I knew I heard rumors about the Sega and PlayStation maybe team up. Thank you for proving I'm not totally insane
I wonder what would of happened if Sega and Sony had joined forces,
Would Microsoft still of entered the gaming space and how would that of affected the market?
Would Nintendo continue competing in the console wars instead of carving out their own niche?
How would the Sega Sony relationship of lasted, would Sony eventually absorb Sega and drop the Sega branding?
I have so many questions, none of which are answerable without travelling to a parallel dimension.
everything would be different with sony pushing gaming forward for 25 years ( some would argue that ) but it's hard to say where gaming would be today and would there be a xbox I'm going to say no that's my opinion.
great video ,deffo didnt know about sega connection and btw great add integration didnt annoy me at all
Sony saw that sega had 50 add ons planned and that both america and Japan weren't eye and eye on anything and said screw it were out!
So this woman is telling me, if I sign up for readily, I don't have to hear her talk? Sign me up! 👍🤣
This story warms my heart 🏆
The funny thing about it is in 1994 the Sony PlayStation was just a Japanese video game system in the likes of the FM Towns Marty and Neo Geo 64. The systems out in 🇺🇸 or coming son was Atari Jaguar, Panasonic 3DO, Sega Saturn and Nintendo Project Reality AKA the future Nintendo Ultra 64.
Has anyone looked up what Sony wanted as their cut in these "shared" consoles? As in what Sony would make from releasing games on a potential Nintendo or Sega console?
Can you do a video on the Gameboy CD system next?
I knew about the Sega-Sony thing but I had not seen the console in the thumbnail...?
The PlayStation was my first console ever,my first game on the system was the Spider-Man 2000 game because my dad and uncle played it a lot when I was very little. My new number 1 favorite is FF7 and that was my also my very first Final Fantasy I have ever played,I love it more than Spider-Man 2000. 💯
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you are great thankyou
Agreed 🤗
What's the device in the thumbnail?
A prototype Sega Saturn.
@@LadyDecade Ah, cool.
@@LadyDecade Was that also backwards compatible with Sega Mega Drive/Genesis cartage games?
Cool Pokémon machine at the end. ⚡
it kind of reminds me of the time nintendo approached atari about partnering up with them to launch the NES in north america & atari said no & then years later sega approached atari with the genesis/mega drive & atari said no
Wouldn't it have been more likely for Sega to approach Atari to market the Master System?
Atari's star had pretty much fallen by the time the MegaDrive came about. Their arcade division was now Time Warner Interactive and their computer division was owned by Jack Tramiel and far more interested in the Atari ST and Falcon (and thus getting revenge on Commodore for taking the Amiga away from him)
@@GeoNeilUK it might have made more sense but its what happened but atari was a mess at the time & sega waited to launch the master system 4 months after the atari 7800 had been released
Without watching. The thumbnail has drawn me in. What a cool looking unit. 😳
Strange bedfellows indeed.
I might consider a subscription if you cover the m2
I did it back in the Summer!
Way back when Atari was going to pair with Nintendo to distribute the FamiCom in the states as the "Atari entertainment system". Atari backed out of the deal and Atari is a company failed.
Likewise Nintendo tried to pair with Sony, backed out and took a huge hit.
Sega then almost paired with Sony backed out & failed as a company.
I think the lesson here is if a company approaches a video game company with a potential working deal take it!
Nintendo would have taken a bigger hit if they stuck with the Sony deal. Goodbye autonomy and software royalties...
Sony did seem crazy possessive then.
They just failed with betamax video tapes and dvt digital audio tapes, and were compensating by buying up movie and music studios to completely control them and force them to utilize any future Sony tech.
"Mistakes were made..."
I have those same fanhome street fighter figurines
Man I would’ve liked a Sony Dreamcast 🙃