I'm new into synthesizers, your videos are veryinformative and I can hear clearly how rich the sound of the P5 is, but as a hobbyist at my gig level and budget,I think the DM12 is more suited for my needs. i really appreciate your work.
Love all your videos on the Deepmind. You've done it in such an informative way, and comparing it to other famous sounds that people can rally around is just so cool. Thanks for these. I've added them all to a playlist.
I love the Prophet 6. But; I think Behringer is on to something with the deepmind 12. Nice synth for the money. I would get the table top version and midi it to the P6. I heard that Behringer Model D is great as well. Analog with a vengeance!
I am really surprised that a lot of the time I prefer the sound of the Deepmind. I don't think I ever gave the Juno's a whole lot of consideration and have always viewed them as a very simple architecture. Thank you for sharing.
AAAAH - I cant choose... Made another shelf space for studio use only (live rig is full and does what I need - cant tell analogue from VA in a band mix usually anyway). So I have space for TWO modules... I have Peak and Virus Ti2 (and a Fantom 7 to drive them with its VA). Choices are Iridium (yeh VE - but with FM and sampling as well), Cobolt 8 (again another VA but sounds good), DM12, P6, OB6, Rev 2 9probably 8 voice but ??). I have no fully analogue gear so one will be DM/Rev2, P6, OB6 but cant decide if VCO is worth the extra cost over DCO. I could really use the control sequencer on the DM to give me things I dont have already..... and not sure DM12 plus Rev 2 is too similar. so could be DM12 plus Iridium - but then no VCO....... AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH
I downloaded your sample patches from this video and the Juno/DeepMind video. First thanks for those. They sound wonderful on the DM12. I also tried them out on the DeepMind 6 but noticed some (not all) don’t sound right at all. Can you think of a reason why that would be. These aren’t patches that are using up all 12 voices by any means. Thanks in advance.
For the money the Deepmind is a beast but the Prophet has so much character and a really lush sound. Actually do you prefer your OB6 or your Prophet6? Hoping to find a new Synth under the tree this year, we shall see!
Prophet 6 is a great all rounder and OB6 is more characterful. Sensibly I’d have the P6 if I could have only one... BUT the OB has a real charm. Can’t decide so have both!!
I’ve not played the DM for ages so can’t remember if you can properly detune the 2nd oscillator - as far as I recall it’s tuning is linked to the main osc like the sub in the 106. This makes it impossible to make most of the tones you can get from the P5 and P6.
I like your comparisons very well ! For me one of the best chanels on yt , respect ! I ask myself wich of analog poly synthesizers u (subjectiv) prefer soundwise ? Cheers
These videos where you can make a single present sound like another more expensive synth are cool...But make a WHOLE song with just a Prophet 6 then the same song with the Deepmind, and see how they sound.
Yeah… they would sound the same using the same patches but it gets interesting if you go into areas the other synth can’t reach. I’ve not really found a good way of demoing that yet, without it just being a list of stuff one can’t do. Having 2 VCOs on the P6 for example gives intervals, FM etc so I end up making a load of tones the DM can’t do… that is covered by saying it can’t do them and I’m not sure it adds much to demo those sounds as well. But maybe it does for some folks wondering what I’m talking about. I did some in a recent video (UBXA vs OBX8) - I’m trying to figure it out without going too deep.
The P6 has a real advantage over the DM12: two full fledge oscillators per voice, whereas the DM12 has only one oscillator plus a configurable sub per voice. Some patches can be made to sound very similar, as you've demonstrated here very well, but some patches on the P6 would be very hard to recreate on the DM12. Something as simple as 2 oscillators one octave apart and slightly detuned per voice. The DM12 can have 2 oscillators per voice in Unison-2 mode, but you cannot set their octaves separately. But otherwise, for a synth costing about a third of the price of a P6, the DM12 is a fantastic value for money and can sound bloody great when carefully programmed. Personally, I prefer the OB6 over the P6, but that's another story... Thanks for sharing !
Actually you can tune Unison voices in octaves using the Mod Matrix. Of course it would have been more convenient to have immediate access to two full oscillators, but there's very little you can't do on the DM with a bit of digging around the menus and mod matrix.
Does the prophet 6 pretty much always sound brighter than the DM12 or are there things you can do with the DM12 to get that nice bright and clean high end?
I’m tempted to sell all my synth gear and just get a DeepMind and the behringer 808 clone. I just can’t let go of my 1990s-born hatred of behringer as a maker of absolute garbage products.
They slowly took over the audio industry... Almost everyone buys parts from them. I work as a repair tech now and you will see the same parts, same exact model number, in monitor speakers that are like a $1000+ that behringer is selling for $300. Same thing with boards and everything. They still don't assemble to the highest standard, but their products are an insanely good deal now.
Prophet 6 is legendary. DM does a pretty good job sounding close for a good price. It can't do everything the P6 can, but versatile enough at the price.
Thank you for the comparison, the comments and video. The prophet has a thick, round resonating character but with some bite to it, whereas the OB is more thick and round and the DM is more biting. The Rev2 is a closer comparison to the DM imho, both being a bit more biting (but the rev2 having a more crystallized sound to it). Thats what I am gathering so far.
i had watched all 3 videos "DM Vs DSI prophet / ob", very INTERESTING videos... all 3 are very good synths in some ways, if you don't consider the price, it's difficult to choose one... That said, would have been nice, if possible, to compare the DM with the REV 2, as they're pretty close in their designs, parts, etc...Just sayin. cheers !
yeah don't mind... I'm a bit curious and wanted your opinion : As you had in hands 4 of the most in view analog poly synths : DM, REV2, P6 and OB 6, and, what i liked in your videos, you put into lights sonic differencies (or not) but never intend to say what's best... you're right, it's a matter of taste, use, price etc and it's very individual... the main difference between DM / REV 2 and P6 / OB6 is the circuitry. first are ICs and the two 6 voices "discrete", i own a voyager, sound so much intense... i love it. But price for discrete are insane (except BOOG, again !)... So do you think rev 2 is closer to the DM or closer to the OB6/P6, the osc, the filters, the vcas ? Tell me if you want, can, have time ! I repeat,very interesting videos, comparative vids are far better to choose... I loved the DM/VS 106 vid ! unbelievable !
Thanks - I’d put the Rev2 closer to the P6 and OB6 than the DM. It’s more flexible and hands on, and easier to match the sounds. The DM is great, but if I had the choice I’d go for the Rev2 - as with the P6 there’s a reason it’s more expensive and it’s a personal decision as to whether the additional cash is worth it or not. For me it is.
Thanks... Agreed. same for me. And rev 2 has more voices and a wider mod matrix (evolver, mopho, tetra... the dsi mod matrix is so great), sequence options etc... just sayin : next for you is the moog one ! :))) e-mail them, who knows ?
Definitely but bear in mind the P6 is 3.5x more expensive. I'm really torn between a P8 and DM due to budget and keep feeling that as I'm not a primarily a keys player and it'll be a studio instrument that the Behringer might be the way to go.
@@DanHillman I Know. I Did have a Prophet6 2 years ago, but returned it because I couldn't justify the price versus sound and functionality. Honestly I feel that it Should cost the same as the 8 voice rev2. And that one Should cost what the Dreadbox Abyss costed back when you could buy it.
nym053 yeah man sure. The sounds from all over the DSIs are incredible and you can definitely tell the difference but unless you’re gonna be using it every day to earn money I guess it’s not worth it. I’ve got a Moog Phatty which has great bass and lead but looking for a solid poly synth I can pick up and play. As a horn player primarily doing some library songwriting I’m not bringing in enough to justify P6 money. This seems great value but I know I’ll always pine for the DSI badge!
@@StarskyCarr Yeah they totally nailed the aesthetic - love the look. Also, I was just reading about the new "vintage" knob effect - wow does that sound amazing.
I can hear a slight sound quality difference with the Prophet-6 sounding a little better... That Behringer sounds insane for the money but I’ll still take the Prophet-6.
I'm new into synthesizers, your videos are veryinformative and I can hear clearly how rich the sound of the P5 is, but as a hobbyist at my gig level and budget,I think the DM12 is more suited for my needs. i really appreciate your work.
DM12 is clearly a very good deal.
I've had the DM since it came out, to this day, it's just as exciting and a huge go to due to its very ergonomic layout.
I love my prophet 6 desktop module... but if I were in the market for a polysynth you just convinced me to get a Deepmind 12!
Love all your videos on the Deepmind. You've done it in such an informative way, and comparing it to other famous sounds that people can rally around is just so cool. Thanks for these. I've added them all to a playlist.
Both synths are good, but I'm glad to have the DM and your comparison just confirm the good feelings I have with it
I love the Prophet 6. But; I think Behringer is on to something with the deepmind 12. Nice synth for the money. I would get the table top version and midi it to the P6. I heard that Behringer Model D is great as well. Analog with a vengeance!
Thanks for these videos. The comparisons are really interesting
I found your matching excellent here, great Video yet again. Many thanks.
Brilliant comparison. Love DSI but DM is such a good deal for 1/3 the price...
I am really surprised that a lot of the time I prefer the sound of the Deepmind. I don't think I ever gave the Juno's a whole lot of consideration and have always viewed them as a very simple architecture. Thank you for sharing.
Same here, that dirtier sound is better for me
let's hope Behringer comes out with a KB synth with a 5 octave 4 oscilators synth. That'd be rad. We know they can do it.
Really well done video. Thanks for making this.
5:30 Patch sounds like melody from Indian Wells - Night Drops track!!!
I'm getting the deep mind and I will get the pro one when it comes out. The best of both worlds for under a grand.
did the pro one come out, all i see is the desktop and dm12 and dm6
@@Master-Blaster-4x4 I think the op means the desktop Pro One clone from Behringer (branded "Pro-1").
It's hard to fault the Deepmind 12 when it sounds this good and costs 1/4 the price of the Prophet 6.
but the P6 so sexy.
still bought a DM tho lol
Thank you! Both are great.
Honestly, at least the deepmind is a reality for me to get and it sounds great to my ears. Would still love to get a prophet someday though.
Sold. Plus FADERS!!!
i need to know how the deepmind stacks against the polybrute
It doesn’t to be fair. Not saying either is better, but the PB has a unique approach the DM can’t achieve. I love both.
AAAAH - I cant choose... Made another shelf space for studio use only (live rig is full and does what I need - cant tell analogue from VA in a band mix usually anyway). So I have space for TWO modules... I have Peak and Virus Ti2 (and a Fantom 7 to drive them with its VA). Choices are Iridium (yeh VE - but with FM and sampling as well), Cobolt 8 (again another VA but sounds good), DM12, P6, OB6, Rev 2 9probably 8 voice but ??). I have no fully analogue gear so one will be DM/Rev2, P6, OB6 but cant decide if VCO is worth the extra cost over DCO. I could really use the control sequencer on the DM to give me things I dont have already..... and not sure DM12 plus Rev 2 is too similar. so could be DM12 plus Iridium - but then no VCO....... AAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH
get them all :)
@@StarskyCarr yeh..... and unusuallyits not cost thats stopping that, its space...
I downloaded your sample patches from this video and the Juno/DeepMind video. First thanks for those.
They sound wonderful on the DM12. I also tried them out on the DeepMind 6 but noticed some (not all) don’t sound right at all. Can you think of a reason why that would be. These aren’t patches that are using up all 12 voices by any means.
Thanks in advance.
Could you try to replicate the Prophet-5 Sync sound? Is it possible do to it?
No, you need 2 oscillators for that.
For the money the Deepmind is a beast but the Prophet has so much character and a really lush sound. Actually do you prefer your OB6 or your Prophet6? Hoping to find a new Synth under the tree this year, we shall see!
Prophet 6 is a great all rounder and OB6 is more characterful. Sensibly I’d have the P6 if I could have only one... BUT the OB has a real charm. Can’t decide so have both!!
@4:28 don't you mean the Prophet sounds phatter? I mean the Prophet sounds GOLDEN here.
cant fault you here- its very nice sounding
If the DM can do P6 then would you say it can get close to P5? I would love some P5 presets for the DM
I’ve not played the DM for ages so can’t remember if you can properly detune the 2nd oscillator - as far as I recall it’s tuning is linked to the main osc like the sub in the 106. This makes it impossible to make most of the tones you can get from the P5 and P6.
I like your comparisons very well ! For me one of the best chanels on yt , respect ! I ask myself wich of analog poly synthesizers u (subjectiv) prefer soundwise ? Cheers
These videos where you can make a single present sound like another more expensive synth are cool...But make a WHOLE song with just a Prophet 6 then the same song with the Deepmind, and see how they sound.
Yeah… they would sound the same using the same patches but it gets interesting if you go into areas the other synth can’t reach. I’ve not really found a good way of demoing that yet, without it just being a list of stuff one can’t do.
Having 2 VCOs on the P6 for example gives intervals, FM etc so I end up making a load of tones the DM can’t do… that is covered by saying it can’t do them and I’m not sure it adds much to demo those sounds as well. But maybe it does for some folks wondering what I’m talking about. I did some in a recent video (UBXA vs OBX8) - I’m trying to figure it out without going too deep.
Great video!!
The P6 has a real advantage over the DM12: two full fledge oscillators per voice, whereas the DM12 has only one oscillator plus a configurable sub per voice. Some patches can be made to sound very similar, as you've demonstrated here very well, but some patches on the P6 would be very hard to recreate on the DM12. Something as simple as 2 oscillators one octave apart and slightly detuned per voice. The DM12 can have 2 oscillators per voice in Unison-2 mode, but you cannot set their octaves separately. But otherwise, for a synth costing about a third of the price of a P6, the DM12 is a fantastic value for money and can sound bloody great when carefully programmed. Personally, I prefer the OB6 over the P6, but that's another story... Thanks for sharing !
Actually you can tune Unison voices in octaves using the Mod Matrix. Of course it would have been more convenient to have immediate access to two full oscillators, but there's very little you can't do on the DM with a bit of digging around the menus and mod matrix.
Unison Voices bro. Deep mind can do it
Is the patch you play at 4.30 also available in the patch bank by any chance?
Does the prophet 6 pretty much always sound brighter than the DM12 or are there things you can do with the DM12 to get that nice bright and clean high end?
Yeah pretty much tbh. Its part of the p6 sound. The Minimoog for example is brighter than the Voyager or the Sub37
For me D12 lost at 3:41, great machine though!
CAN YOU SHOW HOW YOU MADE THE DEEPMIND PATCH STARTING AT 6:22?
he uploaded the patches , see description for download
Wait. You can't adjust the arp gate on the P6?? Seriously??
No :)
in 20 years from now people wish they had bought the Deepmind 12 when it was still afordable.
I’m tempted to sell all my synth gear and just get a DeepMind and the behringer 808 clone. I just can’t let go of my 1990s-born hatred of behringer as a maker of absolute garbage products.
They slowly took over the audio industry... Almost everyone buys parts from them. I work as a repair tech now and you will see the same parts, same exact model number, in monitor speakers that are like a $1000+ that behringer is selling for $300. Same thing with boards and everything. They still don't assemble to the highest standard, but their products are an insanely good deal now.
Have you made any patches for repro 5?
Err.... probably. I might start putting some together for a few of the synths as I get asked for them quite a bit.
Prophet 6 is legendary. DM does a pretty good job sounding close for a good price. It can't do everything the P6 can, but versatile enough at the price.
Thank you for the comparison, the comments and video. The prophet has a thick, round resonating character but with some bite to it, whereas the OB is more thick and round and the DM is more biting. The Rev2 is a closer comparison to the DM imho, both being a bit more biting (but the rev2 having a more crystallized sound to it). Thats what I am gathering so far.
At last a video with NO talking !!!
Haha
U-HE REPRO 5 VS Prophet 6 comparisons please
Got some sounds ready for that plus the Arturia. Just finding the time to pull it all together :)
I had both synths and They are completely different live. I Sold DM12.
Yeah, live’s a different matter if you’re tweaking on the fly.
You definitely not an expert and you write shit. Both are subtractive polys . How different can subtractive syths get
Find a Korg Z1 and check this out since it’s totally digital and sounds super fat and can do modeling of multiple synthesis techniques
i had watched all 3 videos "DM Vs DSI prophet / ob", very INTERESTING videos... all 3 are very good synths in some ways, if you don't consider the price, it's difficult to choose one...
That said, would have been nice, if possible, to compare the DM with the REV 2, as they're pretty close in their designs, parts, etc...Just sayin.
cheers !
Thanks - yeah I know, but didn’t have them in the studio at the same time as I returned the Rev2 before I got the DM.
yeah don't mind...
I'm a bit curious and wanted your opinion :
As you had in hands 4 of the most in view analog poly synths : DM, REV2, P6 and OB 6, and, what i liked in your videos, you put into lights sonic differencies (or not) but never intend to say what's best... you're right, it's a matter of taste, use, price etc and it's very individual...
the main difference between DM / REV 2 and P6 / OB6 is the circuitry. first are ICs and the two 6 voices "discrete", i own a voyager, sound so much intense... i love it. But price for discrete are insane (except BOOG, again !)...
So do you think rev 2 is closer to the DM or closer to the OB6/P6, the osc, the filters, the vcas ?
Tell me if you want, can, have time !
I repeat,very interesting videos, comparative vids are far better to choose... I loved the DM/VS 106 vid ! unbelievable !
Thanks - I’d put the Rev2 closer to the P6 and OB6 than the DM. It’s more flexible and hands on, and easier to match the sounds. The DM is great, but if I had the choice I’d go for the Rev2 - as with the P6 there’s a reason it’s more expensive and it’s a personal decision as to whether the additional cash is worth it or not. For me it is.
Thanks... Agreed.
same for me. And rev 2 has more voices and a wider mod matrix (evolver, mopho, tetra... the dsi mod matrix is so great), sequence options etc...
just sayin : next for you is the moog one ! :)))
e-mail them, who knows ?
To me Prophet 6 sounded better all the way through. It has a better balance between clarity and roundness :)
Definitely but bear in mind the P6 is 3.5x more expensive. I'm really torn between a P8 and DM due to budget and keep feeling that as I'm not a primarily a keys player and it'll be a studio instrument that the Behringer might be the way to go.
@@DanHillman I Know. I Did have a Prophet6 2 years ago, but returned it because I couldn't justify the price versus sound and functionality. Honestly I feel that it Should cost the same as the 8 voice rev2. And that one Should cost what the Dreadbox Abyss costed back when you could buy it.
@@DanHillman though I know it's unrealistic for those companies.
nym053 yeah man sure. The sounds from all over the DSIs are incredible and you can definitely tell the difference but unless you’re gonna be using it every day to earn money I guess it’s not worth it. I’ve got a Moog Phatty which has great bass and lead but looking for a solid poly synth I can pick up and play. As a horn player primarily doing some library songwriting I’m not bringing in enough to justify P6 money. This seems great value but I know I’ll always pine for the DSI badge!
Aesthetically, the Prophet 6 wins by a mile - it's not even a contest. However, sonically? The Deepmind 6/12 can easily hold their own.
Sequential know how to make a synth look sexy!
@@StarskyCarr Yeah they totally nailed the aesthetic - love the look. Also, I was just reading about the new "vintage" knob effect - wow does that sound amazing.
I can hear a slight sound quality difference with the Prophet-6 sounding a little better...
That Behringer sounds insane for the money but I’ll still take the Prophet-6.
Sound DM12 like VST synth!
Virtual Synths for the win and $$$
The DM-12 sounds fatiguing. The Prophet sounds beautiful.
P6 would sit better in a mix. DM good for live work.