Prophet 6 vs Rev 2 - Sequential Showdown (and why I own both)
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After owning both the Sequential Prophet 6 and the Prophet Rev2 for quite a while, I decided to answer a question I've gotten quite a few times: "why do you have two Dave Smith Polysynths?" I'm sure no one will have strong opinions about which synth they prefer....
0:00 - The Prophet 6 infatuation
1:15 - A new contender emerges?
3:36 - The Rev2 and why it's awesome
6:14 - The Prophet 6 sounds incredible
7:26 - Wonderful limitations
8:19 - Making space for massive synths
9:48 - Summary
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I’m only here for the lamp 🙂
Just going through all your old videos. Revisiting and I'm getting so much more which is indicative in the quality of your production. Finally, a video that explains to me on the difference between a Prophet-6 and Rev 2.
RIP Dave Smith
your delivery is impeccable, funny and informative
Just discovered your channel with this video and it's awesome. The immersive synths in the background (that are the ones that are tested so putting them in the background really puts them in a concrete musical situation, super smart), nice touch of humor, clarified and non biased/manichean point of view with a lot of details without being too heavy. Great job please keep going 🎹🎹🎹
Nice humor, great sound, quiet talks and thoughts about synths, confidence and lamps. What else could we want? Keep going! 🤘🏼
Very nice video and helpful for sorting out these synths and their pros and cons. Thank you!
Great job on this comparison! Prophet 6 is a beast of a synth, plenty of hotspots ... with wide sonic capabilities. Thanks!
That was a very good video about synths in general. I like how you mentioned the features of the synths and then reflect on it as opposed to comparing them directly.
you’re hilarious. thank you for sharing all this!! can’t wait to play around with these
Really great and entertaining breakdown!
you are the real deal man, loved how you did this video
Great comparison. I had the same journey as yours but went with the ob6. The rev2 I had originally planned to sell, but they complement each other so well it stayed too
Hey mate! First time I've seen you on u tube. I have to say I love the presentation and dry humour! Awesome. 👍👍👍
What a pleasure to watch a demo with real (and excellent) music made with the instruments concerned.
Awesome video mate, both are amazing
They both complement each other perfectly. It's less a question of one over the other, than rather a question of... money, I guess 😂. Btw. there is another great trick that the Rev2 has up its sleeves, especially the 16 voice version. You can turn it into an 8 voice binaural synth, just like the UDO Super 6, but with 2 more voices. Just use the same patch on both layers and dial in some subtle changes using LFO modulations. Now pan one layer left and the other right! It sounds unvelievably wide!
Greatly appreciated this vid! Also enjoying the humor 😬
The Rev-2 and the Prophet 08 is a synth that I love so much, this synth is special to me since I figured out that it appears on many of my favorites albums from many artists from different genres, Deadmau5 used one on his early albums and this synth is prominent on the album Amok from Atoms for peace's Tom Yorke project and has a distinctive tone, even if it has received critics from the fact that it has DCOs instead of VCOs, I think it's part of its sound.☕🎹🌲🌲🌲
I got my Rev2 a few years back and it has certainly earned its keep! And hardware synths are always just fun to mess around with...
Great video! Loved the thoughtful insights. I own both, I can’t pick a favorite. The rev2 is very fun to use especially when you work with the gated sequencer. And the p6 is simply very classy and creamy sounding, super easy to work with and fit in any song, effortless.
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perfect analysis! thanx!
Great breakdown
One of the best reviews one these keyboards. THANK you, valuable and technical insightsthat I needed.
Good stuff bro 😎 cheers on the great video! Funny as hell.
Wonderful video! 🙏🏽
You had me voting for the P6 @6:22 when the gut rattling quarter note bass sequence started. That resembles what I love about my Pro3. I do like the sound of your Rev2 as well, I would keep that if I were you too.
Thx again Jameson!
Love your charisma, thanks for the video
Great rundown and love your music!
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Great video, man! Subscribed 👍🏼
SUPER helpful. Thanks!
whoa, great music and review/comparison
One thing about the REV2 is that you can set it up to be binaural by setting the mod source for Layer A to DC -127 (Left) to Fixed Pan, set Layer B DC source 127 (Right) to Fixed Pan and then slightly vary one layer from another and get some cool stereo effects. Thanks to Peter Dyer who did a tutorial on this. You can also manipulate both layers at the same time per knob.
wonderful insight!
Thanks for the great video.
Rev 2 is an Amazing Synth, Great Video thank you for sharing.
cheers for the explanation
Great video and valuable insights. Thx
Love you channel
interesting perspectives......thanks for streaming/uploading
Thanks for watching!
Appreciate all your Virus vids! 😎👍🏼🙏🏼
thanks v much!
I've got both as well and agree with a lot of what you're saying. Got the Rev2 first, absolutely loved it so much I got the P6. The Rev2 is great for mods - you can almost get eurorack type modulations going. It's also multi-timbral, so I've enjoyed playing it with my live band when I need an extra synth. BUT, the P6 is just on a different level for sound (VCOs). Also, I have found that I really like a simple, no menu diving synth. As great as the Rev2 is, I'm considering selling it. I don't think I'll ever sell the P6.
came for the info about the synths and stayed for the gorgeous music!!!
Thanks!
I’m laughing so hard. Great vid. I agree with all your points. I have the ob6 from the same era.
Helpful vid. Thanks
Loved this vid. Perfect pacing and sense of humor. Would love to hear your thoughts on P6 vs P5/P10!
I would love to hear my thoughts on the Prophet 10 as well 😅
great comparison
I own both Prophet 10 and REV2, as well as OB6. It was a hard choice between OB 6 and P6, but in the end I liked the filter on the OB6 better. That said, REV 2 was no brainer, as I had P8 at one point and loved it. And even now, REV2 is complementing P10 very well. If P5/10 was never re-issued, I would probably get P6 too. and YES modulating cutoff with noise is my favourite thing to do too.
Had em both the REV2 is more musical to me. To me it feels more like an instrument. Sold the Prophet-6. No regrets.
I actually compared both a lot and in the end went for Rev 2 as well. P6 is a nice synth but imo it just sounds a bit different, not better and the price difference and fewer possibilities didn't make it worth it to me.
I have the Rev2 and it’s incredible. That together with my Ob6 gets me into some sonic territory that feels both terrifying and beautiful. Cannot recommend them enough. Good takeaways here.
Absolutely agree. The Rev2 pairs so well with one of the flagship Sequentials
Same, and I often layer them. They complement each other perfectly soundwise - and the Rev2 obscures occasional voice-stealing on the OB-6 and provides that extra keyboard octave. Perfect couple.
I have a P6 and an OB6 - but thinking of moving the P6 on for a Rev 2 - more voices, more options? I do have a Peak as well mind - so have that to factor in as well.
@@paulmapp8306 Imho, Peak sounds very digital, compared to (esp) the P6 … but even the Rev2, being a more ‘lightweight analog’ in terms of sound, makes the Peak sound obviously digital by contrast … which is fine, or not; just depending upon what you want …
@@kierenmoore3236 I did a/b peak and rev2 quite a lot before I bought peak. I felt they sounded almost identical at their core. I couldn't choose, took 6 months and then it was cost as I found a peak on offer. BUT that was my first proper symth since 93...which was digital (jd800). 4 years down the line, and a few analogues and more digital both through my hands and still on them... I'm having thoughts.
first watcher of your material - you have earned a new subscriber - very entertaining video.
I am fighting with myself on a few synths - the REV 2 and Take 5 are (2) of my choices...but I'm torn.
Thanks for sharing your knowledge with us.
Take care!
You can noise modulate the filter cutoff on the P6 by turning up the Random LFO to max speed. Great video!
That’s one way to do it!
Oh and on the topic of modulating cutoff with noise, I was so happy when I got Prophet 10 and heard how nice modulating the cuttoff, on both Rossum and Curtis CEM (pads with this mod on 2140 Rossum sound glorious).
Cheers for that, "But it takes over the mix!" - to - "That's what mixing IS."
I have watched this video a dozen of times. It's very nicely done. Like you, the Prophet 6 has grabbed my attention, but it's out of budget for now. I keep going back and forth, because I could sell my watch, and I'd be able to get both the Prophet 6 and the Rev-2, but unfortunately here in Denmark, we don't really have big stores for buying instruments anymore. I can't go and try one or see it in a store, so I can only experience it through TH-cam. Anyway, keep making these kind of videos! I enjoy the splash of comedy but also the technical aspect and the fact, that you really know, what you're talking about!
For now I'm keeping the watch, but it's really tempting to just sell the damn thing!
My dude. Don’t have that much money tied up in A WATCH. It’s crazy. Believe me …
This is the best video I have ever seen in terms of synths. Not only that, but the eye contact with us are phenomenal! Just absolutely love these kinds of videos!👍😀🥳
Now i am waiting for the video about your Lamp !!!!! 😂
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I have the hardest time to choose between Sequential synths. But Im leaning more and more to the Rev-2 to add to my Jupiter-X and Fantom
I also have both a Prophet 6 and a REV 2 and I agree with everything that was said in this video.
I would add this. Both synths have a *premium* fidelity to their sound - slightly moreso on the Prophet 6 likely due to its *voltage* controlled circuit design. The lowpass filter on the P6 sounds delicious. The high pass filter a bit boring but can easily be used to fit your patch into-the-mix. The P6 shines with patches that have a lot of dynamics especially when there is subtle sprinkling of *secret sauce* from the *poly mod* .
The P6 has fewer parameters but has an extraordinary wide sweet spot - meaning no matter what you do, any adjustment makes sounds great.
The REV2 w/16 voices is nothing like anything else on the market. 2 deeply programmable layers with modulatable DSP effects, a *premium* sound full of animation and dynamics. The REV2 is what I call a *programmer's* synth, a synth for *sound design* and a *problem solver* . There are so many well implemented designs on this synth for sound creation and despite its deep programmability its very easy to dig in. If the generous amount of modulations and *mod matrix* can't get you there, the modulation sequencer (gated sequencer) will.
On the Rev-2 :
Its not globa sync, but if you need a rythmic poly lfo. you can get all the LFOs in sync:
activte key sync. play all the voices at the same time, deactivate key sync.
now the lfos are in sync and you can create a rythmical swell. not perfect but can work sometimes.
You can easily play all voices at the same time by setting "Unison Mode" to 16 Voices, turning on unison, play one note and then turn off unison.
I became a Sequential Circuits fan back in the early 90s when I bought a Prophet 600 for $200. It was my first polysynth. I bought the Rev2 in 2016. The Rev2 is light years ahead of the Prophet 600. The sound of the 600 is very pure because there are no onboard effects. Otherwise the 600 sound is in no way superior to the Rev2. I know young musicians have a reverence for the older gear, but I prefer the advanced capabilities of modern analog synths.
Hahshshs good video mate!!
Informative and entertaining, thanks (still have no idea on what to purpose though :I)
Btw, really like the sounds and music showcased
My favorite music tube guy!
Absolutely love the sound design and the way you've produced this video.
I also have both the P6 and Rev2 for the exact same reasons, and went on the exact same journey as yourself!
Quick question. Where did you get that stand for the P6?
Thanks Eric! The stand is from 3D Waves
The Rev 2 has been my workhorse synth for 4 years, and I still love it. Sure, my GAS keeps murmuring “Get the P6, too!“, but I won‘t.
Sure, the P6 sounds more similar to the unaffordable P5/10, but you can circumvent some of the Rev 2‘s drawbacks:
1. DCOs: It‘s tedious and eats up some mod slots, but you can simulate that vintage behaviour by voice component modelling (see Creative Spiral‘s channel!). It makes it sound very similar to the P6.
2. Lack of bottom end: who says you should use a poly synth for bass lines? A mono synth will do perfectly.
Holy crap this guy makes good music. Outworldly
I think you have it right about the Rev2 it’s more like a choir and the P6 is a lead singer. I think the sound dominance is done by design focusing voltage to one oscillator with the P6. I have a Rev2 and I intend on getting a moog for that same reason you got the P6. I hear your Rev2 is no more which is a decision to each their own. I don’t think I would have.
Billy Bob sure loves his synths!
Thank you very much for the comparrison. I am thinking about an analog synth and I am not in a hurry, so I enjoy watching Videos like yours at the moment. Both synths seem to be great so I will see.
I saw Videos of the GS E7 from argentina and I really like the layot and the sound is amazing. Did you ever see or hear it?
Great vid, thanks for posting. That's a good way to put it - "heft"
I've had a rev2 for a few years now, I love it for most things but I do find just missing something when you just want something simple and rich with a bit of "heft" - doesn't have that guttural "umph" Some VCO synths have. But conversely, it does everything besides that super super well. I got it at the time since a few years ago it was drastically cheaper than the p6. Weirdly now it's more or less a similar price where I am. (4199 aud vs 4500 aud, depending where you get it.) Maybe one day they'll make a Rev3 with the same heft, would like to just have one synth, not two.
Like your humor, thanks for the review. Only thing is, Would like to hear the prophet 6 when you say on the end, "This is it". Like a little demo. Besides, thanks, very good review.
Great video and I do absolutely agree with you. You need both!
OK, for me it is the Rev2 and a Trigon-6, but the motivation is the same.
I love the Rev2 for being a great companion in nearly all tracks.
However there is one thing I don't like about the Rev2 and that is the way you chose your patches.
Where the Prophet-6 (or Trigon-6) gives you direct access to the programs, with the Rev2 you have to cycle through banks and programs. A bit annoying.
Even with this, I will not easily sell my Rev2. It just is too good.
I think getting the Rev2 first was wise. I own the Prophet 6 and am looking at the Rev 2 for it's modulation capabilities.
Good video. the prophet line has to be the most confusing synth line in history that probably makes the most people have little to no idea which one to buy, and wonder what they might be missing by not getting the other... Buy All many say. Most can't afford just one. Me included!
Brilliant and hilarious too!!!!
Thanks friend!
for me its down to the p6 or the ob6. i think the p6 sounds darker, warmer, and creamier, and some how tighter envelopes. i can really hear this apparent with arps and plucks. maybe its just the way the sem filter responds to envelopes on the ob which also sounds amazing. fizzy, in your face, ike its a relic from the early mid 80's or a forgotten john carpenter movie...
I think it mostly comes down to which filter you prefer. There’s absolutely not a wrong choice between the two 🙌
Selling my OB-6 for a P6, have owned a Rev2 once too. Quite excited.
@digital dirtbag I think they are pretty complementary. There is overlap but it's pretty easy to avoid and there seems to be plenty of sounds on each that the other can't do. The fizz on the OB6 SEM notch filter versus the insane things that are easily done with high resonance settings on the P6 for instance. Overall I find the P6 easier to program perhaps because the filters are separate.
Hi! Best video & very great sound 👌🏻What reverb have you used? Tnks
I was in the same situation some time ago and ended up owning the Rev2 and Prophet 5. Two seemingly same instruments but with completely different purposes in our music. The Rev2 is the workhorse while the Prophet 5 can give you that sparkle and candy to lift things up.
This are the same reasons I have a Rev2 and now a new Trigon 6 module. (BTW - I think the sonic diffs between the 2 synths is less about the VCO/DCOs than it is about the filter, which is different between rev2 and P6.)
I'm currently at the beginning of GAS 😁 I've decided to add a Dave Smith synthesiser and blowing my mind deciding which to pick. Rev 2, Pro 3, pro 5 or pro 6 or OB5 desktop or keyboard synthesiser 🤦🏼♂️🤯
I 100% agree on the P6 tone. i've had a P6 for several years now, and i recently bought a REV2. There's just nothing like the P6. if i ever had to sell my studio, the P6 would be the last piece to go. it's like wiping you ass with silk.
Great video! Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
What do you think about Novation Peak?
I’m taking it into account now😮
Had one for a bit and it’s really good. Nice to have wavetables unlike these analog synths, and it sounds great too.
I have a Rev2, but I like the P08 mojo.
Thanks for the great video. Are all sounds already included for the REV2 - I've seen there are more sounds on the Sequential page or are they all included automatically? For the installation you just have to download the latest driver first?
Glad to have stumbled upon this channel. Your aesthetic and sound just scratches that itch. Now to ask a better question. Which one first? Rev2 keyboard or P6 desktop LOL
Rev2-KB-16 ❤️
I agree on 98% I have Rev 2 and pollybrute and the prophet 6 is the best sounding without effects … pollybrute to me sounds like a vst sorry 😢
Make a patch turn off effects vst sounding ..But…. The pollybrute can express more with ribbon etc.. just subbed 🖐
Yeah, I just can’t love the Polybrute (or Matrixbrute) sound … though the laid out, push-button mod matrices/grids are very cool …
Have you ever tried to quantify the "meat" of the P6 versus the R2? As in, dial up the same sound with both and see if there really is more meat available on the P6? I wonder if maybe the types of controls and layout sort of lend themselves towards the meatier sounds but if some trial and error can achieve the same result on the Rev 2. In any case, there's so much to unpack when comparing two synths. Even something like the knob layout can be significant. It's a paint brush, and we learn to use it.
P6 is a great synth but REV2 is a powerhouse IMHO! an example is th-cam.com/video/_FfJ9aVe0Ys/w-d-xo.html ! I have REV2 16V and you can stack and pan across channels to give some amazing depth. Also Creative Spiral has some videos on using the Sequencer to do Voice detuning to give the vintage sound.. (it seems nuts but is really amazing) Only thing I would say is REV2 onboard Fx are its weakest point. I have a TI2 and can run the REV2 through it and its got Amazing Effects so its a bit of a match made in heaven... best digital synth ever built IMHO with a bloody big Analog synth. Cheers!
As he points out in the vid, the voltage controlled oscillators of the P6 are what lend it the meatier sound.
Exactly
How close is the sound on this to the original Prophet 5? I have an old rev 3 from 1980 and wondered whether it holds its own in the ‘beef’ department 😂
When you get a se, could you buy a summit and compare it to your prophets? Thanks! That’ll be a great show!!
Is it possible to make the rev 2 sound like the p6?
rip dave
hello! can a good soul explain to me what does "LFO's are not globally synced or no way to globally sync them" please if you can, explain me like If I were you're grandma
Any chance you uploading more Rev2 patch from scratch? 🙏🙏🙏🙏
As I learned from Matt Johnson, you can at least simulate a global vibrato ’LFO’ by using Flanger 2 with the mix set to 100% wet - also on the Rev2.
5:35 holy shit reminds me of the dying light soundtrack. Very nice:)
And, where did you get this lamp ?
10:39 haah.. the price has increased to $3,500 now. And the used market has caught up with that. No luck. Good thing we already have one.
May Yahweh bless you and thanks for the video