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I feel like Joyboy is a 3rd party in the Ancient Kingdom vs 20 Kingdom Alliance, just like how Luffy was third party to Whitebeard vs the Marines
That's what I was thinking. He'd probably be either from the Ancient Kingdom and rebelling or from an unaffiliated country that didn't join the 20 kingdoms in their fight (e.g Elbaf, Shandora, Zou, Wano) Notice a lot of other races on that list?
I agree a Pirate has no home, although he is from a nation of course.
All this no good ones or bad ones is a poor way of (or good one) of not actually showing us the flasback and war of the void century.
I see the vision
On that note I feel like he as a third party could have been used by imu in conquering the ancient kingdom
I don't know if it's been brought up elsewhere, but if the world has been slowly sinking since ancient times, it's a pretty good start to an explanation on why 700 years ago the WG started building Tequila Wolf.
Just like if the tides have been rising a millimeter a year it would take a long time but a sufficiently advanced civilization could be able to do the calculations on how long it takes
I am more and more convinced that “pirate” meant freedom to JoyBoy, just as Luffy interprets it. The likely fact that pirate was assigned to JoyBoy, rather than him taking the title himself, reminds me of Roger being called “Pirate King” by the world government rather than claiming it.
After seeing Odens story, I genuinely agree with you. Oden was technically a pirate but really just wanted to see the world.
I just rewatched episode 783 and it opens with the talk of the maffia guy to Sanji telling about the cartoon. And he speaks of a massive robot that was the hero of the navy, saying the navy is always right. Now i imagine the robot we have seen on Egghead was maybe forced to fight for the navy or worldgovernement!
Or if that story is talking about the ancient kingdom and the robot is working for them. Like doffy said pirates and justice has been changing all the time. Whoever wins is justice
I don't think the story will turn into the Ancient Kingdom being evil somehow and the 20 Kingdoms having some sort of actual good justification to destroy them. Not every villain in One Piece has followed the trope of "I actually had good reasons to do evil". Oda has shown us that, he doesn't show us the "sad backstory" as something that is meant to serve as a justification but more as to explain where these characters come from, even if the thing they're doing is absolutely and completely unjustified. Take for example Kaido, Big Mom and Doflamingo. Rather I want to think that it's more a "clash of ideals" rather than "actually the Ancient Kingdom were the bad guys and the World Govt. have been the good guys all this time". Also nuclear energy isn't as bad as it looks, it's probably one if not the best current source of energy we have right now, both in terms of potential and also in terms of the environment, the thing that is currently killing the environment isn't radioactive waste but carbon. But anyway, I don't think Oda wants to turn One Piece into some sort of poster enviromental campaign so we understand the dangers of nuclear energy or something like that, but rather than anything good in the world can be used for evil or nefarious purposes if someone really tries, it's not a coincidence that Vegapunk is a reference to Albert Einstein, even more when you consider that the "Mother Flame" is essentially One Piece's version of nuclear energy, where he wanted to use said energy for good but then people in power wanted said energy to be used for war, evil and control, you could even say that the Lulusia incident is pretty much a reference to the atomic bombs used in WW2, considering the Mother Flame is nuclear energy and said energy used, not for the betterment of society, instead as a weapon to exterminate a group of innocent people and I think thats the underlying message that is probably going to be presented, that the Ancient Kingdom was a civilization that were super technologically advanced and were developing new technologies to make the world a better place and then evil people wanted to take that technology, turn it to do evil and to use it as a means of control. I think what Vegapunk said is because he wants people to judge history by themselves, remember that Vegapunk was a close friend to Dragon and the revolutionaries. To me it makes no sense that the World Govt. would hide information that would help their cause, considering that they try their best to convince people that they're the good guys, so if the Ancient Kingdom were the "bad guys" and the World Govt. were actually doing "evil things for the good reasons", the Void Century wouldn't be a thing, everybody would be taught about what happened there and everybody would know that the World Govt. do what they do for good reasons, the fact that they not only hide the info, but also literally exterminate anyone who even dares to even know what happened, just tells you enough that it's obvious the Void Century doesn't put the World Govt. into a good light, instead it will unmask them as the "bad guys" the whole time, the only people that have been actively fighting the World Govt. are the Revolutionaries, everyone else loves and simps for the World Govt, it would make no sense that they would hide info that would bring even more peope to their side. Remember that they're not just hiding like technology-related stuff, they're literally hiding absolutely everything, even knowing the name of the Ancient Kingdom is punished with death.
I like how you brought up what Silvers Rayleigh said back then becuase after Vegapunk said he can't tell who was right or wrong it remind me of that Rayleigh scene...
I think Joyboy stole the Eternal Flame from the Ancient Kingdom and before he lossed the battle against the 20 kings and Imu, Joyboy hid the eternal flame at Raftel and that is the One Piece but the true nature of the Eternal Flame is to activate the ancient Weapons and destroy the Red Line so the seas can all come together, creating the All Blue, thus making the world in One Piece. Then Luffy can party with the world which is most likely his dream. Joyboy stealing the eternal flame could also be why he is considered a pirate because he probably stole it to prevent it getting into the wrong hands. This gets reinforced by Whitebeard saying that when the One Piece is found, there will be a huge war for it. Interestingly enough, the Eternal Flame is the catalyst for what Joyboy's world unification dream.
That is an interesting theory for sure
Great video. Ive seen people who think Imu is going to just going to be irredeemably evil, but I fully expect Imu to have one of the saddest and most complicated backstories in the series. Luffy reignites dreams in the people he defeats. I think that Imu's motivations were at one point good like you said.
I think its more likely that Imu and the 20 kingdoms wanted to use the Mother Flame to create weapons but the Ancient Kingdom didnt want to use the power source like that. Thus starting the war, and thus why Imu still to this day is using the weapon to erase islands(Enies Lobby, Lulusia). I also think the Ancient Kingdom likely are the ones who created the Devil Fruits and its possible the 20 Kingdoms were against that as well. Or possibly the Ancient Kingdom created the Devil Fruits in order to FIGHT the 20 Kingdoms but failed by being flooded/sunk into the sea.
PS: I think you're absolutely correct in your assessment of The Mother Flame and whatever Power Source the Ancient kingdom used being a non renewable fuel. Thus why Imu and the World Government needed Vegapunk to create it again because the original source likely raised the sea levels after its use and burned out afterward. Now that they have the Mother Flame the same will likely happen again and the sea will continue to rise and the Mother Flame too will burn out eventually.
PPS: I think an alternate view on Devil Fruit creation was that it was seen as just a quirky way to enhance human life/evolution. Why hire a maid when you could just eat the human human fruit and grow arms and clones to do work for you! What better way to refrigerate your food then the ice ice fruit? Talk about renewable resources, devil fruits are an extremely efficient way to power and produce many things. Enels fruit alone could power multiple cities all by itself.
I think Vegapunk was not refering to the WG of Imu when he said he could not judge the one who killed him. When I first read the chapter I thought it was a big brain move to place blaim away from the Strawhats, who the world thinks are holding Vegapunk hostage. But we now know the video was made a few days before they arrived, and he would not know if Kid or Law or Luffy would come to Egghead.
The WG's story is Vegapunk betrayed the world and is being judged so they don't have to frame anyone for his death.
So I think the message is for his friend Kizaru. Its a way to tell him even after his death Kizaru was not evil or a bad person for doing what he did.
Hearing that someone may have created devil fruits. Made me think of SMILEs. In that, what if devil fruits are defective making you unable to swim like SMILEs making you unable to stop laughing.
My guess is; the ancient power source, was an evolved application of haki & the voice of all things to "will" things into existence.
Spiral Energy.
@@WheatDos that's what im saying, "the energy of all things"
Imu as one of the 20 kingdoms ruler must have had his own island like Doflamingo had Dressrosa. What if he destroyed his own kingdom with the ancient weapon and blamed it on Joyboy to unite the 20 nations against him. His destroyed kingdom could be what is now Enies Lobby. Imagine the 20 kingdoms building a symbol of Justice i.e. Enies Lobby as a memento to what Joyboy supposedly destroyed. Lily could have later realised what Imu did and left.
7:17 Ivankov referred to Nerona Imu with the masculine version of "saint" (sei), and even if the current Imu was a different person, Cobra immediately drew the connection to the ancient king when meeting him face to face. Sounds pretty confirmed to me.
The organization MADS is a reference to the Mutually Assured Destruction acronym. Also, Joy Boy looks kind of like Jesus. I do believe Jesus was often portrayed with a woven wooden crown similar to a straw hat. Maybe Joyboy really wanted the power to help people but he was usurped or co-opted by the twenty kingdoms ( Western alliances). Notice how people who claim to have heavy Christian influences are often the exact opposite of what Jesus actually stood for. Also, Jesus/Joy Boy was likely executed for the sins of others he had no intention of causing issues but whoever IMU represents felt or convinced themselves they had the moral integrity to ensure the power didn't fall into the wrong hands.
Nuclear waste may be dangerous but there isnt a lot of it. Youd have to have a planet covered in reactors to make an untenable amount of waste. The limiting factor is not waste disposal.
Imu and Joyboy has probably the same relationship with Griffith and Guts along their Pirate crew
Joy boy wasn't necessarily the first pirate but the first one to be labeled as such
I really love you Joy Girl, you’re my favorite source for anything one piece , I used to watch other TH-camrs , but none compare to your videos . Don’t stop making them!
This was a great piece!
I thought Vegapunk said that to protect Luffy and the strawhats, just in case the world would see them as evil for killing him... Why plead to the world otherwise, you know? But the way you presented the situation makes so much sense!
That was my first thought too reading it. Vegapunk was doing PR for whoever the WG would frame for his death. Although latter hearing more people talk it is more likely Vegapunk was referring to Kizaru, who did in fact kill him. Vegapunk seems like the type of person who would not want his friend to suffer so he put that part of the message for him to hear.
@@PenguinSage Saying that to protect Kizaru makes even more sense!
Luffy wants the freedom for EVERYONE to follow their dreams. Same as joyboy I assume since he was the first pirate
Yes, his dream is to make everyones dreams come true, I agree
You're back I'm so happy
The shout-out of D Roger that there is a great treasure somewhere in the sea and so more people set sail, "rescued" these people from the rising sea level 🤔
Itd be crazy if at the last battle Imu ends up siding with Luffy against BB. Maybe Imu really did a genuinly wholesome reason for taking down the ancient kingdom but then went drunk with power amd foghting Luffy brongs her back to her senses and they fight against the pure evil that is BB
The ancient kingdom released a curse which makes motherhood extremely deadly.
Nice to see you again Joygirl, are you the second pirate? Also I like to think that the 20 rulers where the revolutionary army from the Void century but with power they got power hungry and imu is the only one left that still rulers the world
On the subject of A&Mu
We've heard A"to"Mu = Atom.
I've seen "Atlantis" & "Mu"
I had a One Piece brain fart in the shower this morning.
How about "Art" & "Music"?
If those are the missing ingredients to the true Eternal Flame, then is it possible that JoyBoy and the Ancient Kingdom just partied so hard the world started to sink underwater?
Edit: Second brain fart - Could the D. stand for "Dance"?
Im starting to think that the void century was a time when joyboy and his crew either toppled the world government or reduced their influence on the world for a hundred years - the first time it ever happened hence the moniker of "first pirate". In other words, the world government has always been around, it was only that century gap of the void century where they did not rule.
The void century is obviously a time period filled with war crimes and crimes against humanity by the WG, that's why it's been deleted from history books. There's no other reason why you'd wanna hide a certain time period.
You should talk about the most recent chapter that dumped a HUGE CHUNK of lore from more of Joyboy AND the Ancient Kingdom.
Wait.. what if the devil fruits are the *waste" from the ancient kingdom's energy source?
So pirate actually just means tryhard?
You’re back (:
This is my favorite video you've ever made.
Hi joygirl research on zero point energy - - - that's what vegapunk searching for unlimited energy on the giant robot. Nuclear is finite, zero point energy is infinite. It will be an exciting content for you
PS: WHYFILES has a better compilation of it.
1:21 isnt that roger?
What if the reason for the current sea levels is the existence of the devil fruit and part of the one piece is the reversal of this by destroying the fruits.
We're already given examples with Nolan about how people will call others liars even when they're not and then they're the ones seen as the criminals.
So this is what emo tried to do with Joy boy but emo wanted to erase Joy boy from history for no one remembered him.
Just wondering where tequila wolf is being built towards
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I think that Joyboy started with good intentions. He was Luffy ,but as people opposed him and he had to fight (remember he did this for 100 years) he became more like Blackbeard.
At the same time Imu, which at the beginning of the Century was probably similar to Koby, after 100 years of war devolved into a cold and manipulative person that would do everything in order to keep Order in the World.
As such the void Century becomes also a debate between Freedom and Anarchy.
And that in a World of Anarchy, everyone loses. So some sort of Order must exist.
I agree with the arlong sentiment but doffy is an evil character way before his circumstance
The world isnt sinking, the sea level is rising
I think they are sailors before. But the world government name them pirates.
*I didn't finish the video before commenting this.
I find this analysis interesting!
It's not a theory breaker but a small clarification: Fusion does not create long term nuclear waste like our current fission technology. Since they were so advanced and the power is likened to the sun which is powered by fusion we should assume that it's related to that. The most practical thing to fuse is hydrogen to helium, and hydrogen is not limitless but it might as well be. It's by far the most abundant element in the universe, including the air, the ocean, all organic matter etc.
More likely just the sheer amount of energy or its application might have been problematic.
Joy girl is Back!!!!!! 1 month too long 😭😭😭 welcome back
HEY HEY MY NAKAMA JOYGIRL DISSAPEARED FOR A MONTH WITH ODA
Am I remembering wrong cuz I don't think Vegapunk says anything about Imu there's no proof he knows about them, I believe he is saying sont judge the person because he knows the news and government would blame someone else like Luffy
The d stands for Dawn. Or Don.
How do we know this? Because Oda has dropped many hints. Listen to luffy's heartbeat if you want to know what the d stands for. He literally has it in the drum beat of his heart.
Don Do do ta
Something about how the background is constantly vibrating makes me feel sick
Oda is a pretty competent writer and I feel like there's a ton of research that's gone into One Piece. Uncovering amazing past technology isn't really a thing that happens, so I don't expect to see it in One Piece. There are things like Roman concrete, Greek fire, and the Antikythera mechanism with uncertain histories, though, that have modern analogs. I think the technology of the past will be revealed to have functioned like that in One Piece.
A nuclear energy analog is super messy, too, because nuclear fuel is treated and rendered inert before disposal. And all of the nuclear waste in the world is fractions of the pollution, waste, and harm from widespread energy sources from the smoke from coal to the resource extraction required (and violence) to make EVs. Bad-mouthing nuclear like that just wouldn't make sense for someone who appears to be so informed. And it's complicated. One Piece, for it's nuance, depth, and world-building is about a rubber boy, so over-engineering a solution that has to into aspects that then account for all the moving pieces feels like it misses the point.
I don't have a satisfactory theory yet, but I think it'll involve the moon as the other 5 missing moons are likely the 5 Elders (see the 5 spheres on the WG flag).
I think it'll involve Enel coming back.
I think it'll involve Sabo being revealed to be a traitor/turncoat (SABOtage).
I think it'll involve liberation as that theme is echoed in every arc and conflict.
I think the Devil Fruit are evil actually and, if they have will as suggested in the text, will need to be abandoned as if casting off chains because the will of Devil Fruit has characters bending towards bondage/captivity/oppression.
It would make the most sense to me if the Supreme Ruler was actually in captivity and probably on the moon - the same moon that influences the ocean to be hostile to fruit users.
I think the Supreme Elder is probably a good guy and the 20 kingdoms stopped the ancient kingdom because they were a liberating force in the world.
The ancient kingdom was probably messing up the bag for the rest of the world with some kind of turbo communism that would allow them to take care of everyone pretty easily.
If the world is going to sink, then there's probably something down there that'll keep the world from ending. We've already seen a Sun in the sea.
I don't know enough to fit it all together (I'm a spoiler-tolerant anime-only fan), but it's gotta be as simple as that. Simple. Oda's writing is so well done that it appears effortless. We're only going to be moving pieces around the proverbial board that we've already encountered. It's gonna look effortless. It's going to have been staring us in the face all along.
Oda usually likes to make his villains into hypocrites so if we take Saturn for example he likes to call people insects and experiment on them. So he probably once was a normal human and fought against human experimentation. And if we think this way then Imu who is now trying to actively destroy the world probably wanted to protect it. So what i think happened during the void century is that the Ancient Kingdom worked on a project to undo the red line which they inherited after some cataclysmic event maybe a polar shift. The project was in its final stage with Joyboy as the final piece of the project. However due to the length of the project modified humans like fishmen and lunarians were more and more seen as monsters by the 20 kingdoms. This combined with deeming the destruction of the redline as to risky the 20 kingdoms rebelled and overthrew the Ancient kingdom with help from within. Joyboy took to the sea to finish the project but never reached Laughtale.
You’re my mother flame❤️🔥
Devil Fruits is a Radiation LiNK to a Small part of eternal Energie - Eternal Flame witch is Souls with memories and Will - Dreams - Goals. PLZ let me explaine.
So devil fruits give a link to a Energie type, different radiation frequency for every will - Goal - Dream, and that energie source that exist is ever lasting. Cause of the 1st law of thermodynamics. So devil fruits creat a symbiosis relationship with the host and proved him with a fraction of the Eternal Flame.
E=mc2 That is why Vegapunk is after Einstein and that's why by using energie you can make anything in material world.
A fraction NOT only depending of the Memories of one Soul... BUT also of the Will - Dreams - Goals collectively. Like a Direct Democracy For example. If every soul Want - Wills the most to control Sand, the personl who eat the Sand devil fruit have the greatest potential.
In real life, we block Nuclear radiation with 2 ways mostly.
Big block of water... like Sea... and Concreate... Like Haki...
We can block particles with less energie with materials less dense than Concreate, like aluminium or steal and this is the other types of Haki. The lesser types.
That's why Sea and Haki blocking the link with Eternal Flame. Cause they block the radiation flow.
Before Joy Boy , every Soul's will was slave to The will of Eternal Flame or the Souls had no will at all. No hopes no dreams , nothing. There was NO life - Will - Dreams after death. That is why Joy Boy was the 1st pirate, The Sun God nika, the Christ etc. That is why Kuma is so strong. That's why Joy Boy is the manifestation of freedom. And that's why Imu is the representation of emptiness.
Joy boy is Joy and Imu is depression.
My prediction is that Imu is not bad in nature and Joy Boy will free him from his Darkness. He just try to make everything pointless like it was before. Imu is lost , with no purpose , no meaning in life. Joy boy will give him a purpose and together will Beat Black Beard who is the True Evil.
Luffy x Nami at the end GGWP :)
It state him because vega punk don't know who was going to to him and being it stated in the news paper luffy kidnapped Vega punk which mean the would at large may think luffy was the one who killed him that why he say I don't know him as if most of the world blame luffy and not the world government only very few would know luffy not responsible
But “he laughed” and Raftel = laught tale
The d stands for Dreamers sky dreamers 🫣
Joy girl or Joy boy I’m confused lol now the elephant 🐘 island knows what is going on, and differently made a deal . Dude is made for a flood of floods lol High-waters
So the final boss is probably man made climate change XD
Why did you stick your head onto a differently shaded body? Lol
Sakura is not Im-sama jejejeje
i think the den den mushi is inside the robot giant and that Imu or just Saturn himself will try mess up with the robot giant and the robot giant which is fueled by a mother flame will sacrifice himself by exploding and take saturn down along with a dramatic ending of him opening his eyes wide before the boom 💥. Now i think if Imu will tell to Saturn to sacrifice himself which would be hard thing for other gorosei to swallow it may trigger Ju peter even further to betray Imu, i saw beautiful theory of suggesting the gorosei were part of joyboy crew because Oda names usually the crew members with matching meanings like gold roger, silvers Rayleigh, scopper coban, then Kaido have jack, queen, king and doflamingo being the Joker, also dofi had i think his crew with similar name meaning? and Luffy crew having numeric meaning being Luffy being 56, 56 for gomu gomu etc. And then joyboy had his crew named after planets, and that Ju Peter liked joyboy and was waiting for revenge all these 800 years like how Denjiro being the opposite side of coin of him
Commenting on every Joygirl’s video until she reaches 100k subs
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You're very sweet for this theoretical analysis of the current phase of One Piece, where it stands hitherto.
"Didactic series...." I like that as a simple description of arguably the best anime/manga series of all time.
Indeed: what you say about centralized control, in light of carte blanche, has its amenities. Even if the wielder of such power is blinded by complacency.
What keeps me on edge about One Piece is Brook, my favorite StrawHat Pirate. His relationship with Hell is so much more vivacious and charming than Zoro's. Hopefully no one misconstrues my words and assumes I'm expressing shame on Zoro. Luffy is powerful, but when it comes to bestiality, Zoro is the most menacing of them all. He made the Mihawak Seraphim sweat a tear from the forehead. Enough said.
Yeah...One Piece is the s***. I'm going to have to make a rap album based on it one day.
Saturn looks scared at the presence of Mother Flame!
im femto knock off
IMU if they are female has a lot of woman scorned energy
Nope , vegapunk wants the gorosei to be the burden of world gvt, i dunno men
I’m sorry. No shade, but I’ve seen multiple people talk about how the Ancient Kingdom might not have been purely good because Joy Boy was a pirate.
I’m sorry but holy shit have yall paid like any attention to anything in the story? We know for fact that the WG likes to spin the narrative to benefit them. Obviously Joy Boy as his crew were good people but the WG labeled a pirate as something bad when he was most likely going around the world toppling corrupt leaders like Luffy does. But he lost in the end so the winners write the history…. That’s literally what Doflamingo’s famous speech I thought y’all understood since it’s quoted so much was all about.
Nahh you give IMU way too much credit, they all pure evil.
Very humble of you to post in the TH-cam comments, Oda. 😉
No, the ancient kingdom is not what you think and you'll never figure it out in the direction you're taking it. It's really simple
Prometheus=nika
The eternal power source= the flame stolen from heaven and given to men by prometheus
The Gorosei= the gods of olympia that punished Nika for giving the eternal flame to men because they don't think men are worthy
Vegapunk's mother flame= a flawed imitation of the eternal power source created by the hubris of man
The world government=the rule of the gods over man
When you understand those points then you can understand One Piece, otherwise you'll just run in circles.