Two big lessons here: 1. Stop pushing the next franchise component that’s over tired and nobody cares about. Reboots, sequels etc have gone too far 2. Maybe don’t invest an insane amount of money into your new films and start doing lower budget projects. Independent studios are leading the way here with quality content that isn’t an excessively bloated budget
What they need to do is return to stereotyped witting based on the core values of the market they are writing for. No one cares about women being strong and outpacing men in every category as a given. What people want to see is good action with a believable story that has some moral depth. Machiavelli wrote about those princes who obtained power from undeserved places as unstable and likely to be offed before they had a chance to sit in power. There is a reason for that. It's the same as lottery winners who go broke only a few years after the get wealthy. People are not stupid and know false stories when they see them. Human nature is well recorded and well known. Just stick to the basics and appeal to the right market not the market you perceive as being 'modern'
@@kylemenos I appreciated how you have a similar take to the vid's top comment but much more reasonable and less politicised. I agree with both the comments above.
@@kylemenos You're half right. We do love strong Women if they are portrayed correctly. Emily Blunt training Tom Cruise how to fight and then they shared screen time is the lastest best example of what people actually want in a strong Woman. Sarrah Conners in the Terminator movies. Ripley in the Alien movies, she fought along side Men and there was another Female equal in the group. Diversity, we want that too. Again, ONLY if it is done correctly. Independence Day. A Black Man, a Black Woman, a White Woman and two Jewish Men were the heros of this movie. Bat Man was played by a Native American for at least one movie. Val Kilmer. A Female James Bond is a better idea then you think. The TV Series has already happened. Sydney Bristow played by Jennifer Gardner in Alias, I am still waiting for a movie from it.
I kinda knew it was a crapshoot that BR2049 was gonna break even since it was way more expensive than a MCU or Star Wars movie, and is twice as long. So good luck getting that kind of audience in seats for a pretty niche franchise. Saw it premiere on my birthday in IMAX no less and it's my favorite movie ever. As long as Hollywood keeps giving Denis Villeneuve unlimited cash, I'm good.
@@andonemorething3713 John Carter that one Disney's biggest flop is not woke. On average he had more consecutive flops in the 80s than today, there was no "woke" there either. But since you idiots turned that word into a buzzword with no real meaning anymore.
It’s not just prequel, sequel, reboot and remake. It’s also being “lectured to,” “admonished” and having someone else’s “Political Viewpoint,” and their concepts of “Social Justice” crammed down our throats.
The reason a lot of these movies bomb, even if they make more than their budget back, is because of creative accounting. Movie studios will often hide or manipulate the true budget of a movie and its profits to make it qualify as a flop and thus avoid fulfilling profit-sharing agreements like taxes and royalties that would come out of a financial success. It’s ridiculous.
Accounting sleight-of-hand to reduce any royalties or profit-sharing agreements owing certainly occurs. An example I'll always remember is The Man Who Would Be King. Michael Caine took a percentage of profits instead of a salary to act in it and, despite wide spread critical and audience success, the movie reported "losing" money. But these box office bombs, on the other hand, are already well in the red. If anything movies like these will see their losses reduced by such fraudulent bookkeeping. P.S. If you haven't seen Michael Caine, Christopher Plummer, and Shaun Connery in The Man Who Would Be King, based on a Rudyard Kipling short story, and directed by John Houston, you should. A very good movie with beautiful cinematography. /smh
Never understood why John Carter flopped. It was a nice Movie IMO. First Place is fully deserved. Walked out of the Cinema after 20 Minutes. Disneys Downfall continues and everybody knows why.
John Carter flopped cause it cost 300 million just to produce so marketing would have their budget close to 450 million or even more. It was a good movie just couldn’t make back the money. This video just takes into account loss but doesn’t say how much money they made.
@@ibrakadabra9073 Everyone who had read Edgar Rice Burroughs “Warrior of Mars” (🙋🏻♂️) series definitely enjoyed John Carter. They took the first three novels of the series and turned it into a movie.
@@ignaciofuentes2642 Another Mars movie flopped just as they were about to kick off their marketing push (Mars Needs Moms, maybe? I don't remember which now) and the rumor is an executive wanted the "of Mars" part scrubbed from the original title "John Carter of Mars" because he didn't want it to be connected to the other. Another rumor was that some "market research" returned that the name was corny as in some "Killer Werewolves OF MARS!" vibes. Either way, the whole marketing campaign, the title art, the posters, everything was scrapped in order to be re-worked in a very abbreviated timeframe and the limits imposed by the studio really cramped what they could say or show.
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This needs looked into. I can’t believe these huge losses. How can a cartoon cost 200m in the first place. I’ve always heard this money launder angle,but this really brings it to life.
treasure planet's only mistake was it came out at the worst possible time. it had to close off a year that saw the debut of sam raimi's spiderman, the 2nd star wars prequel attack of the clones, the bourne identity, minority report, ice age, lord of the rings the two towers, harry potter and the chamber of secrets and it had the misfortune of being severely overshadowed by lilo and stitch.
Can I just say, I've never seen or heard of Babylon (56th) but Tobey Maguire in the bottom right all smiling while everyone else look all serious is amazing
When I learned that Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets was a box office failure due to its "incomprehensible and complex plot," I felt like a genius, born into a family of geniuses. Seriously? IS THIS a complex plot?
Yeah I loved Battleship. The plot was simplistic, but it was a visual feast and just all-around fun. Shame it came out around the same time as The Avengers, you really can't compete with that :/
How you gunna get people to understand the slow pace of mystery of noire in wartorn cyberpunk world when everyone is into instant gratification? “Clip over 2 mins, movie sucks” mentality. Really just a reflection of the world you live in, not a movie flop.
Elements of flop: 1. Sequels that didn't need to exist. 2. Overpaid actors and inflated budget. 3. Woke cringe. 4. Bad writing. 5. Release in the wrong era. The marvels had 5 out of 5; that's why it was such a disaster
The worst part of The Marvels is that, managed a little differently, it could have been all right. Maybe not earth-shattering, but good. The script alone had so many issues, though; and there was so little character development.
I would suggest to the creator of this video that they add the “year” of the film since some of these are remakes of great films that were NOT flops when they came out. West Side Story, originally made in 1961 was likely not a flop, and should never have been remade.
With all the "black" films coming out the last few years. Hollywood thought it would be generous of them to throw a bone to the Latin community with the West Side Story remake.
@@WillMuny Ok, a bit sad if you have to ask, but I can give you some hints, I can only say for myself, though. Titan A.E., Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within and Blade Runner 2049 are some of the best sci-fi movies Ive seen, The Wolfman, Cutthroat Island and Tenet are very good movies, each of them gives you something unique, and John Carter, The Matrix Resurrections, Terminator: Dark Fate, Sahara, The Mummy and 47 Ronin are quite ok, harmless to watch on a sunday afternoon. All of these should have grossed more imo, but oh well, as I said, not for everyone.
@trv actually The Little mermaid did flop. Disney spent 300 million on the film and movies need to make 2.5 times what they spent to get a profit. The little mermaid generated 600 million so they didn't make a profit.
A few of these are really good Treasure Planet, Blade Runner 2049, Hugo, The Man from U.N.C.L.E. Some are guilty pleasures like Sahara, Stealth, Speed Racer. Such a shame
I mean it's a loss in number, not percentage. They could be overbudgeting, but barely able to cover the cost just a bit. Hence why it's good but also not profit
@@elijahwilliams3728 $240m budget + $100-120m marketing = $340-360m + $190m cuts taken by theatres = $630-650m break even point approx $630-650m - $570m box office = $60-80m loss And that's with the numbers that we know and being generous. It lost far more than they want to admit.
I love how most of them are very recent, to show how big movie companies like Disney have a very different vision about movie production than their costumers. Movies aren't for mass production. Every single time they try it, they failed. There is no big franchises, big actors, big directors and big budgets that can save a objective bad movie. It never worked, it won't work now. Movies are art, not a product to quickly consume.
I think one of the problems with movies today is that the company thinks if they put millions and millions of dollars in a movie, it will bring people in to watch. Which is not always the case. Sometimes, it is not how much money you put in the movie, but the quality and the casting of the movie. I have seen many times that low-budget movies make hundreds of millions of dollars simply because it was a good quality movie.
I agree with the first half of your statement. However, it's not the quality of movies, but because there are so many movies coming out that they are eating into each other's profits. Average person goes 1-3 movies a year. You can release 100 great movies, but most people will only see 1-3.
Yeah, look at Easy Rider. Henry Fonda Told son Peter Fonda that it would be a flop. It ended up making more then all of Henry's movies combined . Also Blair Witch Project, and don't forget Deep Throat.
Makes me quite happy to see Ghostbusters (2016), Cats, Fantastic Four (2015), Transformers: The Last Knight, Dark Phoenix, Space Jam: A New Legacy, Terminator: Dark Fate, Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny, The Flash, and The Marvels on here 😂 But sad to see Blade Runner 2049 on here. That movie’s a masterpiece ❤️
I agree. I knew a few I liked weren't great movies or would win an Oscar but they were fun and entertaining. Didn't know they did THAT badly at the box office.
It’s not that these movies didn’t make a ton of money at theaters. The biggest reason they flopped is because they cost too much to make. If your movie generates $200 million but cost $300 million to make, you need to work on lowering your budget. You’re spending too much money paying big name actors and special effects.
Not to mention overspending on marketing. One or two of these seemed to be everywhere in the advertising market, as if the world was supposed to stop so people could go see a movie.
Never would expect The Lone Ranger to perform badly money wise despite how much I loved it. Depp's great acting and the train chase scene while Hans Zimmer's composition of the Overture Final playing was just incredible! It influenced my own sister who will probably for the rest of life call me "kemosabe" just for laughs hahah!
Personally, I think it was a little off in tone. Both for JD and AH. It was more Tonto's story. A lot of script are how can clowns and buffons end up heros. Sometimes it's charming and funny, and sometimes it's just off the mark. Wasn't there an mgm guy Thornburg (?), who did resorts where target audiences gave bad reactions to prerelease testing? Might want to do that if you can find another ... Thornburg.
I think - and correct me if I'm wrong - The Lone Ranger release is around when the Amber Heard allegations of abuse first hit Depp. I remember that a lot of people didn't want to go support the movie as they believed what are mostly proven lies now.
Keep in mind when you search up a movie's budget, it only shows how much money they spent making the movie but it doesn't show the marketing and distribution prices.
An animated movie can lose over $100 million due to high production and marketing costs combined with disappointing box office performance. If the film fails to attract a large audience or faces strong competition, it might not recover its investment. Shifts in audience preferences and the impact of streaming services can further contribute to these losses.
I am happy that there are so maany superhero films in this list. The producers will soon see that making good cinema is more important than maaking superhero films.
I still remember when Waterworld was considered the definition of a box office flop. Now it can't even crack the top 80. (Granted, I think it eventually made enough to get out of the red)
3:52 #30 was the bomb that put Carolco Pictures out of business. They produced the first three Rambo movies, Terminator 2, and Basic Instinct, but Cutthroat Island wiped them out.
2:50 The Alamo - Efren Ramirez (Pedro from Napoleon Dynamite) had the option to take part in The Alamo (2004) which had big stars in it. That could be a big break for him. This however would have a conflicting schedule with the then unknown indie film Napoleon Dynamite in where he also got a role. He still chose Napoleon Dynamite and he got let go by his manager because of that choice. Napoleon Dynamite with a budget of only 400k USD, profited more than 100x its original budget (46 million USD)
Seeing Bladerunner 2049 on here hurt, maybe it was just too advanced for its time? I feel like they nailed the whole Cyberpunk feel, the noir action and plot twists were really well done.
Valerian and the city of a thousand planets was a good movie. It just suffers from audiences weren't ready for it syndrome. The aliens and special effects were great. And the story overall wasn't awful. Definitely a movie I like to revisit.
I was very happy to see that the movie with Bree Larson topped the list. She became a self entitled Diva after a bit of success following the first Captain Marvel movie. After this train wreck her career took a huge nosedive.😊
Gotta give her credit for Room. She won an oscar for that role and it's a very good movie. Unfortunately the rest is history but I will always have a soft spot for that film. It proves she is a great actress... or atleast she was
Gotta give her credit for Room. She won an oscar for that role and it's a very good movie. Unfortunately the rest is history but I will always have a soft spot for that film. It proves she is a great actress... or atleast she was
Some of these definitely earned their losses, but there were some others that were actually at least decent films to watch. And of course, there were films like Tenet that only really got on here because of when it was released. I feel like that movie would have had more success if not for being released in the middle of a pandemic.
I remember when the movie 'Inchon' used to rank the top. That got pushed off the list. (Inflation might've been part of it). It's amazing how they can lose so much and yet make more movies. Most of us would ruin our lives if we lost less than 1 percent of what the lowest rank in that list did.
Could've made 40-50 fully creative, studio-uninvolved indie films for The Marvel's budget, which has a way higher chance of success, but whatever, their loss.
Something to mention: The budget for "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan" was much lower than that for "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" but "Star Trek II" was a much more entertaining movie. I think its because they focused more on telling a great story.
They might have been good - just for a smaller audience. I personally thought the DCEU Snyderverse was great, but I can see why the MCU before Endgame did better.
Bladerunner is a bit of a shame. Cinematography and set production is among the very I’ve seen in any modern film. Some scenes are just beautifully rendered.
What i don't get is how animated movies cost so much to lose so much in the first place, there's no actors with huge fees, live locations or sets or stunts etc.
big name actors get paid for voice work in animated movies so they still are a factor. the power bill for the massive number of computers to render the cgi makes the animation itself costly.
Blade Runner 2049 deserved way better. Man from u.n.c.l.e, King Arthur, Speed racer and Rise of the guardians were flawed but they are underrated decently entertaining movies.
When I was a kid in the 1950s old movies were syndicated on television under the title "Million Dollar Movie", which suggested a massive budget. Now...
Alright, I'll stand up as a target for ridicule. I liked Hugo a lot, I enjoyed John Carter, and I thought Mortal Engines was an avenue worth exploring. Let the arrows fly. ✌
They were still flops, losing vast amounts of money. Personally, I enjoyed Valerian, Speed Racer, Final Fantasy, Black Adam, Titan A.E., Cutthroat Island, Haunted Mansion, and The Marvels, but they were still flops.
I love the scene where they got him tied down and all those old guys in suits are like giving him a trial or something, then he turns into the wolfman and starts eating them ... and they can't get out 💀
There was also the issue of seemingly no advertising for it. The first I knew it was out was looking up the showtime of a different film, and it being on the list.
Yes. It's a shame. Mind you, it was a lot to get your head around. I saw it three times in the cinema, which is how long it took me to work out the time-lines.
I just watched it and thought it was TERRIBLE. The casting is AWFUL. No chemistry between the two, and Cara Delvigne is just genuinely unlikable. Perma resting bitch face. Not a feminine bone in her body
The title repelled me. WTF is "City of a Thousand Planets" supposed to mean? These morons made a mix of "L'Empire des mille planètes" and "La Cité des eaux mouvantes"
It should also be noted that some of these films were Bombs but later recouped there loses for instance Rise of the Guardians loses were likely overestmated+in only two years DVD sales ALONE made 200 million firmly placing it in the red(not even counting merch sales). Valerian/Battleship/Last Knight(Especially thanks to tax cuts and product placement)/Tenet/XXX/Solo apperently manadged to recoup its budget thanks to secondary revenue as well so in hindisght they were more of dissapointments rather then bonaifed fails.
I didn't know that Disney was a non-profit organisation 😮
They were once they started to try earning woke social credits
Lmaooooo
@@Heinskitz Disney use to make profits now they just donate money to employees 😂🤙
*A money laundering scheme
😂😂😂
It's not an accident that all these lazy remakes and re-boots were flops made within the last 10 years
Hollywood has fallen off, in a big way
I think a lot of these companies make trash movies on purpose, so they can have a massive tax write off.
the biggest successes of recent years are other sequels and reboots
@@destroyerzilla7634 It's all junk.
Lack of originality among "other" things.
Yeah that. Also the fact Hollywood is super WOKE
Joker 2 will be joining the list soon
I don't think it cost that much to make.
Neither movie is a "joker" movie but a look into mental disorder
@@giovannyc3886 Guess what almost every Batman villain has
@@TheGingiGamer 😮💨😮💨😮💨
Arthur Fleck dies The End
@@giovannyc3886 Marketing is where it lost a lot
@giovannyc3886 it actually costed $200 million just on production without taking into account the amount for advertising & splitting with theaters🥴
Two big lessons here:
1. Stop pushing the next franchise component that’s over tired and nobody cares about. Reboots, sequels etc have gone too far
2. Maybe don’t invest an insane amount of money into your new films and start doing lower budget projects. Independent studios are leading the way here with quality content that isn’t an excessively bloated budget
Hollywood has a massive problem managing budgets - it'll probably die before figuring that out.
What they need to do is return to stereotyped witting based on the core values of the market they are writing for. No one cares about women being strong and outpacing men in every category as a given. What people want to see is good action with a believable story that has some moral depth. Machiavelli wrote about those princes who obtained power from undeserved places as unstable and likely to be offed before they had a chance to sit in power. There is a reason for that. It's the same as lottery winners who go broke only a few years after the get wealthy. People are not stupid and know false stories when they see them. Human nature is well recorded and well known. Just stick to the basics and appeal to the right market not the market you perceive as being 'modern'
@@kylemenos I appreciated how you have a similar take to the vid's top comment but much more reasonable and less politicised.
I agree with both the comments above.
And don't use films as propaganda relays for the Woke ideology.
@@kylemenos You're half right. We do love strong Women if they are portrayed correctly. Emily Blunt training Tom Cruise how to fight and then they shared screen time is the lastest best example of what people actually want in a strong Woman. Sarrah Conners in the Terminator movies. Ripley in the Alien movies, she fought along side Men and there was another Female equal in the group. Diversity, we want that too. Again, ONLY if it is done correctly. Independence Day. A Black Man, a Black Woman, a White Woman and two Jewish Men were the heros of this movie. Bat Man was played by a Native American for at least one movie. Val Kilmer. A Female James Bond is a better idea then you think. The TV Series has already happened. Sydney Bristow played by Jennifer Gardner in Alias, I am still waiting for a movie from it.
_Blade Runner 2049_ and _Tenet_ surprised me. I guess they were that damn expensive to make.
Tenet should have been delayed- it got pushed out too soon after covid restrictions were lifted
I kinda knew it was a crapshoot that BR2049 was gonna break even since it was way more expensive than a MCU or Star Wars movie, and is twice as long. So good luck getting that kind of audience in seats for a pretty niche franchise.
Saw it premiere on my birthday in IMAX no less and it's my favorite movie ever. As long as Hollywood keeps giving Denis Villeneuve unlimited cash, I'm good.
Only good thing in Tenet is VFX. The movie itself sucks
@@drivko6393 real
Tenet was ambitious but the execution was pretty damn bad.
Well, Disney dominated the top of the charts….
Not surprising. Disney owns the damn world.
Trying to be "woke" and "progressive" is backfiring, thank God.
The flop charts
@@andonemorething3713 John Carter that one Disney's biggest flop is not woke.
On average he had more consecutive flops in the 80s than today, there was no "woke" there either.
But since you idiots turned that word into a buzzword with no real meaning anymore.
Disney also dominates the biggest hits
Yeaaah!!! Give it up for the Marvels! They’re number one!!!!
Number 1 of bad.
It will likely be surpassed by Snow White next year.
Even though it was number one…it is still a big steamy pile of number 2!
Yep, because Hollywood does not know how to write female characters anymore.
@@arcticphoenix2789 still better than battle shonen female characters that are just for fanservice
Prequel, sequel, reboot, remake. That's the problem.
Absence of originalty
No, the problem is that most people don't go to see original movies, so when a movie does hit, Hollywood milks that property dry until it fails.
And people with no business acting. There was a time when movies would flop and you never saw the actor/actress again for a very long time.
It’s not just prequel, sequel, reboot and remake. It’s also being “lectured to,” “admonished” and having someone else’s “Political Viewpoint,” and their concepts of “Social Justice” crammed down our throats.
@@williampaz2092 It's always been that way, the only difference is that you can feel better about yourself by whining.
The reason a lot of these movies bomb, even if they make more than their budget back, is because of creative accounting. Movie studios will often hide or manipulate the true budget of a movie and its profits to make it qualify as a flop and thus avoid fulfilling profit-sharing agreements like taxes and royalties that would come out of a financial success. It’s ridiculous.
Money laundering too
Accounting sleight-of-hand to reduce any royalties or profit-sharing agreements owing certainly occurs. An example I'll always remember is The Man Who Would Be King. Michael Caine took a percentage of profits instead of a salary to act in it and, despite wide spread critical and audience success, the movie reported "losing" money. But these box office bombs, on the other hand, are already well in the red. If anything movies like these will see their losses reduced by such fraudulent bookkeeping.
P.S. If you haven't seen Michael Caine, Christopher Plummer, and Shaun Connery in The Man Who Would Be King, based on a Rudyard Kipling short story, and directed by John Houston, you should. A very good movie with beautiful cinematography. /smh
only people in the industry know this
So “The Producers” wasn’t fiction?
True. The Lord of the Rings trilogy lost the money on paper to avoid paying anything to Tolkiens family. They got less than $10k and sued the studio.
Dwayne Johnson is in a lot of these
Never understood why John Carter flopped. It was a nice Movie IMO.
First Place is fully deserved. Walked out of the Cinema after 20 Minutes.
Disneys Downfall continues and everybody knows why.
John Carter flopped cause it cost 300 million just to produce so marketing would have their budget close to 450 million or even more. It was a good movie just couldn’t make back the money. This video just takes into account loss but doesn’t say how much money they made.
The title and marketing didn't help. Nobody knew what the heck the movie was about.
@@ibrakadabra9073 Everyone who had read Edgar Rice Burroughs “Warrior of Mars” (🙋🏻♂️) series definitely enjoyed John Carter. They took the first three novels of the series and turned it into a movie.
Where does all the money go I think there's some money laundering going on Or studios looking for a tax write off
@@ignaciofuentes2642 Another Mars movie flopped just as they were about to kick off their marketing push (Mars Needs Moms, maybe? I don't remember which now) and the rumor is an executive wanted the "of Mars" part scrubbed from the original title "John Carter of Mars" because he didn't want it to be connected to the other. Another rumor was that some "market research" returned that the name was corny as in some "Killer Werewolves OF MARS!" vibes. Either way, the whole marketing campaign, the title art, the posters, everything was scrapped in order to be re-worked in a very abbreviated timeframe and the limits imposed by the studio really cramped what they could say or show.
Treasure Planet was great.
Yea it was
I agree
That one... My boys... Is a movie that REALLY deserves a good live-action adaptation
Beautiful and astonishing effects movie!
its about flops, not if people liked or not, and it flopped
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But then I couldn't read comments as it plays.
Different hint: don't have sound on, watch on normal speed so you can actually process what's being shown
Wish this comment had been at the top lol
This needs looked into. I can’t believe these huge losses. How can a cartoon cost 200m in the first place. I’ve always heard this money launder angle,but this really brings it to life.
The past 15 years have been really rough on Hollywood
They may have pissed away billions of dollars but at least they owned us sexiest, racist, bigots that want good movies.
They are being punished for insulting their customers with crap.
@@markhorton8578 And also just straight up insulting their customers.
Sinbad, Treasure Planet and Rise of the Guardians were underappreciated during their release, now they're considered classics :3
I never even heard of Sinbad animated film.
like that you put rise of the Gurdians in there despite it being newer than the other two. All underrated films indeed.
treasure planet's only mistake was it came out at the worst possible time. it had to close off a year that saw the debut of sam raimi's spiderman, the 2nd star wars prequel attack of the clones, the bourne identity, minority report, ice age, lord of the rings the two towers, harry potter and the chamber of secrets and it had the misfortune of being severely overshadowed by lilo and stitch.
No love for Titan A.E.? I lived on that as a kid, great movie
Probably Ben Hur too
Personally I liked The man from UNCLE and Bladerunner 2049
And Sahara. Fun movies.
Bladerunner 2049 had fantastic performances.
It seems like Blade Runner movies are doomed to be cult Classics. They're making a THIRD, btw.
Wolfman was good too
"UNCLE" had a good 'lock' on the 1960's theme!
@@jwayk9750 "Sahara" had a more original plot than most films, today!
LeBron is use to flopping
Like this more, fellas.
And cheek slapping.
Just gonna put this out there, but Space Jam (1996)
$80 million budget
$230 million worldwide gross
@@RyanRussell-h6m Why does LeBron insist on challenging Michael Jordan’s legacy? Does he REALLY think that much of himself?
Flop king indeed.😂😂😂
Can I just say, I've never seen or heard of Babylon (56th) but Tobey Maguire in the bottom right all smiling while everyone else look all serious is amazing
I watched Babylon, I liked it. High cost to make I think.
When I learned that Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planets was a box office failure due to its "incomprehensible and complex plot," I felt like a genius, born into a family of geniuses. Seriously? IS THIS a complex plot?
Also they spent all that money on Rihanna to dance for one scene... and it's a stunt double dancing in that one scene.
Yeah, I liked it well enough. Better than a lot of the stuff on this list. Rihanna was a waste of money.
Rihanna was also in battleship….she’s a terrible actress.
I liked it.
People do not like to think, at all, these days
Some of these movies where actually good
💯💯💯💯
Yup, I'm suspect it got something to do with bad timing and marketing.
Yeah I loved Battleship. The plot was simplistic, but it was a visual feast and just all-around fun. Shame it came out around the same time as The Avengers, you really can't compete with that :/
The ones at the beginning of the list
Terrible marketing
Can't wait for Zeggy's Snow White!
Unless it goes straight to D+, I don't think it will be released anytime soon. Or at all. Hopefully.
Weird? Weird!😂
Her version of WEST SIDE STORY lost $100 million.
@@insertnamehere5809 The Shazam movie she was in lost $122 million.
It going to beat the Marvel's for sure either that or Captain America 4 aka Falcon movie.
Blade Runner 2049 was a *FLOP!????*
WTF 👀
How you gunna get people to understand the slow pace of mystery of noire in wartorn cyberpunk world when everyone is into instant gratification? “Clip over 2 mins, movie sucks” mentality. Really just a reflection of the world you live in, not a movie flop.
The original "Blade Runner" was considered a flop at the time of its release. Over time it grew in popularity and it was enough to get a sequel made.
Blade Runner 2049 is just great in my humble opinion
@@davidkatsmam It cost to much to make, so it lost money but it was not a bad film.
@ True. I really like that movie thou….
Elements of flop:
1. Sequels that didn't need to exist.
2. Overpaid actors and inflated budget.
3. Woke cringe.
4. Bad writing.
5. Release in the wrong era.
The marvels had 5 out of 5; that's why it was such a disaster
Plus Bad Marketing
The fact I even watched Moon Fall (just to see how bad it was), is something.
The worst part of The Marvels is that, managed a little differently, it could have been all right. Maybe not earth-shattering, but good. The script alone had so many issues, though; and there was so little character development.
1:37 That’s unfortunate for Treasure Planet, it’s actually a really good movie.
I feel like this one can’t be real. Imma research it myself
Ahreed
I came to say this. It’s probably the reason Disney never made another 2D film after that. It’s one of my all time favorites.
It's an absolute tragedy.
Fr I like to put it on for my children
I would suggest to the creator of this video that they add the “year” of the film since some of these are remakes of great films that were NOT flops when they came out. West Side Story, originally made in 1961 was likely not a flop, and should never have been remade.
With all the "black" films coming out the last few years. Hollywood thought it would be generous of them to throw a bone to the Latin community with the West Side Story remake.
The Mummy was on this list. I thought it was a box office hit was there a remake they are referring to?
@@jrclem79I think it’s the shitty Tom Cruise version that’s on here. The Brendan Frazer one was a big hit.
@@nickgodfrey1148100% correct. It's that trash ass, terrible Tom Cruise one 😂😂
@@KingGogh Yeah it was absolute shit. Probably a big blow to little Tom’s ego. 😁
I liked John carter
Jungle cruise and Valerian arent that bad, too
Virginia!
Rise of guardians was pretty good as well imho.
As did I. Of course I read all of the books and loved them.
John Carter needed to go Rated R and characters be a bit dirty
Some of these are really good movies, just not for wide audience.
Like which ones?
Treasure planet
Titan A.E. is a classic, in my opinion.
@@WillMuny Ok, a bit sad if you have to ask, but I can give you some hints, I can only say for myself, though. Titan A.E., Final Fantasy: The Spirits Within and Blade Runner 2049 are some of the best sci-fi movies Ive seen, The Wolfman, Cutthroat Island and Tenet are very good movies, each of them gives you something unique, and John Carter, The Matrix Resurrections, Terminator: Dark Fate, Sahara, The Mummy and 47 Ronin are quite ok, harmless to watch on a sunday afternoon. All of these should have grossed more imo, but oh well, as I said, not for everyone.
Blade Runner 2049 is gripping, thought-provoking and cinematic. A real immersion into dystopia. But it's just too slow. Shame.
People at Marvel/Disney said "A movie about The Marvels? Yeah! Let's put $237.000.000,00 at it. Will be tottaly worth it". This is just INSANE
They did put more, 237kk is a negative profit after launch and some money from feminist supporters team
Most of these movies deserve to be here, but there are a few underrated gems that deserved much better than they got.
With "Wonder Woman 84" taking place in the 80s, they really missed the trick having Diana taking part in a spandex leotard-wearing aerobics class.
Feminst hollywood would never
Lot of Disney fails, obviously.
and many great successes are always Disney
@@destroyerzilla7634Stop you are trying to make sense! 😊😉 Lots of agenda people here and they are all tired
Wokisney? i pray for tehir bankrupt.
When you realize Little Mermaid didn't flop....😂
@trv actually The Little mermaid did flop. Disney spent 300 million on the film and movies need to make 2.5 times what they spent to get a profit. The little mermaid generated 600 million so they didn't make a profit.
A few of these are really good Treasure Planet, Blade Runner 2049, Hugo, The Man from U.N.C.L.E. Some are guilty pleasures like Sahara, Stealth, Speed Racer. Such a shame
100%
Sinbad is also a decent one.
I mean it's a loss in number, not percentage. They could be overbudgeting, but barely able to cover the cost just a bit. Hence why it's good but also not profit
Those ALL sucked
Titan a.e was a good movie aswell, imo
The Postman and The Man from UNCLE are great films and it’s a shame they were ‘flops’ at the box office…😢
snow white will be number 1...they are estimated to lose close to 1 billion
Little Mermaid '23 lost over $100M. Why didn't that make the list?
They reached their diversity quota.
It only lost 5m
@@elijahwilliams3728
You're way off.
@@DaveMan1K I just looked it up... State your source then
@@elijahwilliams3728
$240m budget
+ $100-120m marketing
= $340-360m
+ $190m cuts taken by theatres
= $630-650m break even point approx
$630-650m - $570m box office
= $60-80m loss
And that's with the numbers that we know and being generous. It lost far more than they want to admit.
I love how most of them are very recent, to show how big movie companies like Disney have a very different vision about movie production than their costumers. Movies aren't for mass production. Every single time they try it, they failed. There is no big franchises, big actors, big directors and big budgets that can save a objective bad movie. It never worked, it won't work now. Movies are art, not a product to quickly consume.
The Man from U.N.C.L.E is a pretty good film
Some of these really surprised me, then I realized they were high budget reboots. Then it made sense.
I think one of the problems with movies today is that the company thinks if they put millions and millions of dollars in a movie, it will bring people in to watch. Which is not always the case. Sometimes, it is not how much money you put in the movie, but the quality and the casting of the movie. I have seen many times that low-budget movies make hundreds of millions of dollars simply because it was a good quality movie.
I agree with the first half of your statement. However, it's not the quality of movies, but because there are so many movies coming out that they are eating into each other's profits. Average person goes 1-3 movies a year. You can release 100 great movies, but most people will only see 1-3.
Yeah, look at Easy Rider. Henry Fonda Told son Peter Fonda that it would be a flop. It ended up making more then all of Henry's movies combined . Also Blair Witch Project, and don't forget Deep Throat.
But it is laughable at the amount of flops that were remakes.
Makes me quite happy to see Ghostbusters (2016), Cats, Fantastic Four (2015), Transformers: The Last Knight, Dark Phoenix, Space Jam: A New Legacy, Terminator: Dark Fate, Indiana Jones and the Dial of Destiny, The Flash, and The Marvels on here 😂
But sad to see Blade Runner 2049 on here. That movie’s a masterpiece ❤️
Marvels not so marvelous!
Ban woke!
@@piloto88ed if they keep going the way they are going, they'll go bankrupt before we get a chance to ban em.
i was expecting to see she hulk on here but i guess the cgi only cost 50 bucks so i could not lose much
@@adriankearney4850show, not a movie
I still remember Jay Leno’s “LoneRanger” joke: He took off his mask, looked at the camera and said “Who cares, no one’s watching anyway” 😄
Only good thing about watching some of those early to mid 2000s movies was memories of watching them with my grandfather.
Seeing _The Dial of Disney, The Flash_ and _The Marvels_ in the top 10 is so satisfying.
Blade runner 2049 flopping is criminal
Being box office flops doesn't mean they're actually bad movies. There's a few on this list that I actually like quite a bit.
I liked The Last Duel myself.
Treasure planet is an underrated masterpiece that deserves recognition.
I agree. I knew a few I liked weren't great movies or would win an Oscar but they were fun and entertaining. Didn't know they did THAT badly at the box office.
Stealth is better than it is. Nobody notices the computer's character arc.
Title doesn’t say anything about bad films.
It’s not that these movies didn’t make a ton of money at theaters. The biggest reason they flopped is because they cost too much to make. If your movie generates $200 million but cost $300 million to make, you need to work on lowering your budget. You’re spending too much money paying big name actors and special effects.
Hey, it costs a lot of money to indoctrinate an audience with Leftist propaganda!
Not to mention overspending on marketing. One or two of these seemed to be everywhere in the advertising market, as if the world was supposed to stop so people could go see a movie.
Well back in the day, a Big actor name is more than enough to sell tickets, but yeah, those days are long gone.
Never would expect The Lone Ranger to perform badly money wise despite how much I loved it. Depp's great acting and the train chase scene while Hans Zimmer's composition of the Overture Final playing was just incredible! It influenced my own sister who will probably for the rest of life call me "kemosabe" just for laughs hahah!
Personally, I think it was a little off in tone. Both for JD and AH. It was more Tonto's story.
A lot of script are how can clowns and buffons end up heros. Sometimes it's charming and funny, and sometimes it's just off the mark.
Wasn't there an mgm guy Thornburg (?), who did resorts where target audiences gave bad reactions to prerelease testing? Might want to do that if you can find another ... Thornburg.
I love The Lone Ranger too
I think - and correct me if I'm wrong - The Lone Ranger release is around when the Amber Heard allegations of abuse first hit Depp. I remember that a lot of people didn't want to go support the movie as they believed what are mostly proven lies now.
I find it mind boggling that you could lose $100 million and then some on an animated film. No actors, per se and no special effects. Truly amazing.
Keep in mind when you search up a movie's budget, it only shows how much money they spent making the movie but it doesn't show the marketing and distribution prices.
An animated movie can lose over $100 million due to high production and marketing costs combined with disappointing box office performance. If the film fails to attract a large audience or faces strong competition, it might not recover its investment. Shifts in audience preferences and the impact of streaming services can further contribute to these losses.
Titan A.E. had a budget of $75 million. Hard to understand how they could lose more than what they spent.
@@alross10That was the budget to produce it. Would that include marketing and distribution costs?
Paying hundreds, sometimes thousands of animators and artists is way more expensive than paying actors.
I will say it. The 2004 version of The Alamo is wildly underrated.
I love the Alamo movie
If you're old enough, like I am, you might remember the 1955 Alamo movie "The Last
Command", great last siege scene!
The 1959 Alamo with John Wayne is my all time favorite movie.
Right, very spectacular, and the battle scenes were realistic and brutal,but probabilly the production's costs were too big.
Billy Bob as Davey Crockett was very entertaining.
80s action movies and some 90s movies can never be matched
They can, by 60s and 70s western movies from Germany and Italy. 😎😎😎😎
@@renatoherren4217 yes they are also iconic. However current cgi superhero crap has destroyed cinema.
the 60s and 70s had the best films ever...
80s had the best horror movies
90s agree.
80s no
Noticing A LOT of these are Disney movies, remakes, adaptations, and DEI productions.
I am happy that there are so maany superhero films in this list. The producers will soon see that making good cinema is more important than maaking superhero films.
I still remember when Waterworld was considered the definition of a box office flop. Now it can't even crack the top 80. (Granted, I think it eventually made enough to get out of the red)
I thought exactly the same thing! Good heavens that movie was utter garbage 🤣
Waterworld made enough on home video and with TV sales to eventually become profitable
I liked waterworld 😊
I wonder if they adjusted this list for inflation though. That's forgotten so often when people talk about movie costs and losses
@@ald1144 I was hoping someone would mention this fact.
3:52 #30 was the bomb that put Carolco Pictures out of business. They produced the first three Rambo movies, Terminator 2, and Basic Instinct, but Cutthroat Island wiped them out.
I thought it was a porno with all the sexy pirate ladies at first….
2:50 The Alamo - Efren Ramirez (Pedro from Napoleon Dynamite) had the option to take part in The Alamo (2004) which had big stars in it. That could be a big break for him. This however would have a conflicting schedule with the then unknown indie film Napoleon Dynamite in where he also got a role. He still chose Napoleon Dynamite and he got let go by his manager because of that choice. Napoleon Dynamite with a budget of only 400k USD, profited more than 100x its original budget (46 million USD)
Seeing Bladerunner 2049 on here hurt, maybe it was just too advanced for its time? I feel like they nailed the whole Cyberpunk feel, the noir action and plot twists were really well done.
Valerian and the city of a thousand planets was a good movie. It just suffers from audiences weren't ready for it syndrome. The aliens and special effects were great. And the story overall wasn't awful. Definitely a movie I like to revisit.
Only issue is that the lead pair were miscast. They were just too wooden.
I was very happy to see that the movie with Bree Larson topped the list. She became a self entitled Diva after a bit of success following the first Captain Marvel movie. After this train wreck her career took a huge nosedive.😊
And mostly because her movie was promoted to have something KEY to what would be the next Avengers movie, wich spoiler, was a lie xD
Gotta give her credit for Room. She won an oscar for that role and it's a very good movie.
Unfortunately the rest is history but I will always have a soft spot for that film. It proves she is a great actress... or atleast she was
Gotta give her credit for Room. She won an oscar for that role and it's a very good movie.
Unfortunately the rest is history but I will always have a soft spot for that film. It proves she is a great actress... or atleast she was
No one cares
@GeneralJLC no shit, that's why her last movie flopped so hard.
So this means BATTLEFIELD EARTH was more financially successful than all of these. Scary.
💀
I think its budget was relatively low
@@Stephen-to7jx That's the key, but given the movie's infamy, it's still shocking.
I'm still amazed Pluto Nash has fallen so far down the list. It was not that long ago it was being touted as the biggest flop of all time.
Now, I liked ''John Carter'' and ''Battleship''.
There are some good movies on the list, but a fail at the box office at theatre. Nice on DVD.
Some of these movies I do like but I noticed the ones that did badly are the Woke ones.
You were the one who did
It doesn’t matter if you liked them! Jjking 😂
john carter yes
Some really good movies on the list. Surprising.
I can't believe The Marvels is on this list 😡
only once!
A few of these were films that I enjoyed. I think sometimes the problem is marketing, or perhaps just bad timing.
you forgot about the latest Star Wars flop
no star wars movie has been a flop
@@destroyerzilla7634 Solo?.
@@deadon4847 If only they added high-dollar miniseries to this list, huh?
Yeah the story abut the “ lesbian space witches “ is pretty funny … it was so awful 😞
@@destroyerzilla7634 They haven’t made a Star Wars movie since Solo, because Solo flopped so bad.
Some of these definitely earned their losses, but there were some others that were actually at least decent films to watch. And of course, there were films like Tenet that only really got on here because of when it was released. I feel like that movie would have had more success if not for being released in the middle of a pandemic.
That's the only movie that I watched in theatres during COVID and I absolutely enjoyed it ,moreso in IMAX. It is the 1st 4k Bluray that I owned.
Tenet is a fantastic movie. It is rare that you come out of a movie thinking that you must see it again to really understand some of the nuances.
I remember when the movie 'Inchon' used to rank the top. That got pushed off the list. (Inflation might've been part of it). It's amazing how they can lose so much and yet make more movies. Most of us would ruin our lives if we lost less than 1 percent of what the lowest rank in that list did.
All of these are very inaccurate. 3:40 Transformers: The Last Knight didn’t flop At all. It’s currently sitting at $605M box office.
Well done Disney !!
and many great successes are always Disney
@@destroyerzilla7634, not lately.
You have to keep in mind some of these movies premiered during the pandemic ( COVID) when we were not allowed to be present at the theaters.
Of the movies in the 10 top. Only jungle cruise (number 6) came out during covid.
Lone Ranger was a fun film, especially if you liked Pirates of the Caribbean.
Some of the animated movies on here aren't that bad, they were just too expensive or weren't marketed well.
The only thing that saved Madam Web and Morbius ending up on this list were their low budgets.
I think most of those "flops" happened because studios keep spending too much money on movies. Why not keep budgets low?
Because too many cast members, technical fields and directors demand too damned much money.
Union requirements are a big factor in production budgets.
Could've made 40-50 fully creative, studio-uninvolved indie films for The Marvel's budget, which has a way higher chance of success, but whatever, their loss.
Something to mention: The budget for "Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan" was much lower than that for "Star Trek: The Motion Picture" but "Star Trek II" was a much more entertaining movie. I think its because they focused more on telling a great story.
Tax evading. Modern movies are just like "modern art" but on a higher scale. At the end, they probably gain more than they lose.
I never thought that I would see the day when an Indiana Jones movie would be featured on a list like this.
I know, indiana jones and the STRONG INDEPENDENT HARPY was such a great film. How did it ever make this list?
Still a good movie yet. Not the quality of the trilogy of course, but really a worthy successor. Far better than 4.
@@rKhael53 Haven't seen it, never will. So, I'll take your word for it.
I regret seeing it, not for the movie, it wasn't so bad, but how all the protagonists had became OLD !😢
And yes, the female lead was AN harpy!
@@rKhael53
Same. I liked 1, 3 and 5 better than 2 and 4.
Megalopolis needs to be added to this list!
I predicted it was number one. I forgot that The Marvels existed.
Interesting video, there are a handful on here that i actually enjoyed so i was surprised at some of these!
They might have been good - just for a smaller audience. I personally thought the DCEU Snyderverse was great, but I can see why the MCU before Endgame did better.
Bladerunner is a bit of a shame. Cinematography and set production is among the very I’ve seen in any modern film. Some scenes are just beautifully rendered.
Regardless of Box Office returns some of these are actually good movies while others deserve to be flops.
Cats should have lost more, that movie was horrendous
Trailer alone was creepy
It was a catastrophe....
A crime against cats!
Well, cats don’t have any money so they couldn’t buy a ticket to see it 😅.
😂😂😂😂
What i don't get is how animated movies cost so much to lose so much in the first place, there's no actors with huge fees, live locations or sets or stunts etc.
big name actors get paid for voice work in animated movies so they still are a factor.
the power bill for the massive number of computers to render the cgi makes the animation itself costly.
Blade Runner 2049 deserved way better.
Man from u.n.c.l.e, King Arthur, Speed racer and Rise of the guardians were flawed but they are underrated decently entertaining movies.
I've only ever watched one of these -The Postman which I loved 😂😂😂
When I was a kid in the 1950s old movies were syndicated on television under the title "Million Dollar Movie", which suggested a massive budget. Now...
Alright, I'll stand up as a target for ridicule. I liked Hugo a lot, I enjoyed John Carter, and I thought Mortal Engines was an avenue worth exploring. Let the arrows fly. ✌
They were still flops, losing vast amounts of money. Personally, I enjoyed Valerian, Speed Racer, Final Fantasy, Black Adam, Titan A.E., Cutthroat Island, Haunted Mansion, and The Marvels, but they were still flops.
I agree I enjoy watching them, john Carter I was sad never got a sequel
@@LadyDeirdre True enough.
Blade Runner 2049 and Hugo i like them a Lot.
Both good movies
Wolfman was Awesom
It really was.....
Thought so too
I don't think it's a fantastic movie, but the unrated version of Wolfman is probably my favorite movie on this entire list.
I love the scene where they got him tied down and all those old guys in suits are like giving him a trial or something, then he turns into the wolfman and starts eating them ... and they can't get out 💀
I liked it a lot also.
Only USA result at cinemas or Worldwide?
Solo was a victim of the fans being fed up with Disney because of the sequel(s). Perfectly fine and fun movie
There was also the issue of seemingly no advertising for it. The first I knew it was out was looking up the showtime of a different film, and it being on the list.
TENET incurred a loss, due to Covid 19, Quarantine.
Yes. It's a shame. Mind you, it was a lot to get your head around. I saw it three times in the cinema, which is how long it took me to work out the time-lines.
@@lomax343 sounds like brilliance, how many movies do they get to triple their revenue from one person attending?
The Valerian movie is quite underrated.
It's a fantastic stoner movie and one of my favorites of THAT genre.
I just watched it and thought it was TERRIBLE. The casting is AWFUL. No chemistry between the two, and Cara Delvigne is just genuinely unlikable. Perma resting bitch face. Not a feminine bone in her body
I was interested when in released but never actually got myself out the door to see it.
The title repelled me.
WTF is "City of a Thousand Planets" supposed to mean?
These morons made a mix of "L'Empire des mille planètes" and "La Cité des eaux mouvantes"
@@nuwandalton It was AWFUL
Some of these made losses at the box office but were still great movies regardless
Love seeing Disney so many times on this list🤣
I am Beginning to Think that maybe most of this Money Goes Towards Advertising.
Some of these films will continue quietly earning money as channel-fillers on TVs all over the world
It should also be noted that some of these films were Bombs but later recouped there loses for instance Rise of the Guardians loses were likely overestmated+in only two years DVD sales ALONE made 200 million firmly placing it in the red(not even counting merch sales).
Valerian/Battleship/Last Knight(Especially thanks to tax cuts and product placement)/Tenet/XXX/Solo apperently manadged to recoup its budget thanks to secondary revenue as well so in hindisght they were more of dissapointments rather then bonaifed fails.
So satisfying to marvels as #1
Snow Brown is coming …
Snow White after the stars hysterical outburst post election will top this list. Or maybe delay the release after Harris wins in 2028.
Tenet and BR2049 were wonderful in muh opinion.......❤❤❤
So basically 80% of the movies made in the last 25 years.
10 years the mostly.
I thought The Postman was quite good, and the ending was really emotional.
Will Smith got an Oscar Nomination for Ali....I had no idea it lost money.
DEI nomination.....
@@alsmith7382 It was a pretty good acting job......not as good as Pursuit of Happiness but....
It didn’t.
@@hawk66100 it says here it did
You could have slapped me silly.