Thank you for including Pontiac. While the block was mid sized, the displacement was equal to the others. Probably the most flexible V8 engine ever built. 287 through 455. Thank you for this great video!
Nice to finally see a video with a guy who knows what he's talking about, isn't it? Pontiac did have "large journal" blocks (421, 428, 455), but no, no "big block".
Robert, my 68' 400 camed up with 75cc heads runs like a son of a bitch in my trans am! something about those old Pontiac 400's. coolest sounding engines I thought as well
These are some of the best examples of the baddest big blocks . Love seeing these and I always learn something from these videos. Thanks for keeping these fine muscle cars alive and sharing them with us
bought an LS-6 454 crate motor in 71. dropped it into my 66 SS chevelle. left the 396 emblems on(oops) paid $795 for that monster. won a few street races now & again.
Greatest engine of all time. Undisputed, not arguable, the king, unbeatable, greatest jaw dropper that changed everything. Chrysler 426 hemi. Nothing even comes close
Cool episode. My favorite "big block" is the 427 in the '67 Vette with aluminum heads and three 2 barrels right from the factory. Also the all aluminum 427 found in a hand full of '69 Copo Camaros was real cool too.
pontiac should have put the ram air 4 induction system on the 428 engine. I did it in the early 80's and dropped it in a 1970 firebird. that car ran 12.21 through the quarter with 3.08 gears and slicks. the good old days.
Wow nice, Good information, I can't wait till you go over with the small blocks, the 289,327,350,340 ect , Thank you I really enjoyed this from Joey in Honolulu ,Hawaii , Aloha 😎
@@steventronnes7300 Hell Yeah ! Ford's Best Small Block Period, underated at 330 HP That Strength of the Boss Block and those Monster Cleveland Closed Chamber 4 Barrel Heads was an absolute High Winding Beast !!! Ran a Cleveland Engine in my Fox Body for a while, Now has a 521 Stroked 460. Always got a place in my Heart for those Cleveland's. But the Torque of the BBF is hard to Beat. One things for sure, There Will ALWAYS be a FORD under my hood. No LS,s Allowed !!!
@@norristammislideshowmulgre877 I had a '69 Charger with a 383 and given its displacement, it was a dog. My brother had a '70 or '71 (can't remember), Charger with a 400 and it was a dog too.
@@norristammislideshowmulgre877 true, the 383 was built for low end torque, high revving. It was the smallest if Chrysler's B Series Block engines, 383-440, and ALL parts were interchangable with deception of anything that would be affected by the deck height. UK stock cam out of a hemi and slide right into a 383 or 440 and it would fit!
Talked to a guy today having a 440. Rebuilt for a 69 dart. He claimed the cost was $12,000 and will put out 700+ Hp. Times have changed, well the cost anyway. Thanks for you Friday episodes. Awesome end to the week.
Those are all some wonderful engines and cars . I have a 71 LS6 Corvette engine in my machine shop right now to rebuild . It came out of a white convertible . It has been sitting for about 30 years . Had a tough time getting some of the pistons out of it . But we will make it as close to new again as we possibly can . This car will eventually be for sale by my customer .
What an amazing video! Every car in the collection is always interesting. I would love to give up my job working on cars and be a part of the crew they must have behind the scenes.
Big thanks Kevin for including us Pontiac people with that stellar Ram Air lV GTO. The big block / small block debate on Pontiac engines continues to make the purists crazy but big power is the ticket here.
THIS was an awesome episode. Great info and I loved seeing my fav engine the buick 455. Id like to request an 87 buick GNX if the Brothers collection has one!
@musclecaroftheweek can y'all pretty pretty pretty please do a spotlight episode on the Ford 427 Cammer engine? Ya know, history, development, stats and whatnot? I think it'd be a very popular video in my honest and completely biased opinion lol.
I'd LOVE to see it !!! and the Tunnel Port too for that matter.. all from the 427 FE vintage.... Ford did some bitchen stuff, and the 427 STILL is one of the greatest motors making great HP numbers today....
These videos are like a good bedtime story. Thanks! On another note, @ 5:50 you stated the Buick 455 had an over-square design, which was "unusual for big block engines." As I recall, the majority of BB engines had over-square engines! The only engines I can think of that did not were the Olds BB engines?! Furthermore, all of the BBs that made the biggest impact were over-square?!
And I guess the Pontiacs...by a small margin. But the list of over-square BBs includes: All Chryslers, Chevys, Fords, Buicks, Cadillacs, and even the larger AMCs!
Sometimes people forget the biggest, a 500CI Cadillac 375 hp a a ton of torque and a top speed of about 120 MPH, and I loved how my Caddy handled!!!! 2022
Hey Kevin, if you get comments from viewers that don't know what a big block is, they shouldn't be watching car videos. Also need the 440 six pack, unique engine
Glad you tossed the 400 RAM AiR IV, that engine was impressive to say the least and made well over the listed 370hp claimed by the factory. In fact most made over 400HP
Hmm,giddyup giddyup giddyup 409!!! Figured y'all would start there,or the 392 Hemi then the Pontiac 421,then 427 ferd next 413 Mopar or Max wedge 426,the Olds 430 wild cat over to the 396-427 Chevy,then of course the venerable Hemi,Pontiacs highly ignored hi horsepower 428,then y'all got the rest-ish,except the 440 and that's almost a wrap. Can't forget the early 20th century British Merlin big block either!!! Lmao!!! Then that's a whole fun new kettle of fish to open with those semi high winding shmall blockz,ja! Veddy inderresdink I love to zee 72nd shmall blockz!!! Lol! Thanks again y'all!!!
Except for GM's Buick/Oldsmobile/Pontiac engines and the Hemi engines, a "big block" traces its roots to a medium duty truck gas engine. Eventually adapted for passenger cars.
do a show on exotic small blocks 327 - 289 - experimental buick and other development engines under 350 ci ! older or early special 283 - even indy small block ford ! = so thanks for the great show and keep em coming !
big block vs small block had a lot to do with deck height and bore spacing...which is why you can have a 427 small block Windsor and a 332 big block FE...the displacement doesn't necessarily correlate big vs small. The GMC V6 is what I would consider a big block when you look at the bore spacing, but in displacement it isn't all that 'big'.Big blocks are impressive and surely wouldn't kick it out of my garage, but a high winding small block in front of a 4 speed is prob my fav...I luv the sound of my 408 stroker Cleveland at hi rpm thru the gears...a 'small' block putting out 'big' block c.i.
great video alright... but theres also short-blocks, long-blocks, y-blocks, tall-blocks, raised blocks and truck blocks, theres reinforced blocks, high-nickel content blocks, diesel blocks and 4-bolt main blocks, cast iron and aluminum blocks...then theres bare-blocks and cracked blocks and blocks with a rod thru the side, the kings are the supercharged diesel pull-tractors that..."THROW" entire blocks... and of course theres always holleys metering blocks etc etc etc. drive em too fast around the po-po, you,ll be in a cell-block, but the day always seems to come when either they put em up on blocks or its the auction block.
You are correct sir Pontiac did have smaller displacement engines but I'm referring to a different engine family which is 301 to 455 block design, thanks again for your reply have a great day😳
@@deanwilliams867 The 287-428 all use the same size block. The 455 has a tall deck. Anyway I'm done with this channel after they started supporting the nation behind 9/11
Unless you are a hard-core fanboy, how could you possibly not admire every one of these cars? I am no longer a brand loyalist and have great respect for what every American car maker did to bring a smile to our face back in the golden age of muscle cars.
I love em all, but I always wondered WHY a Hemi with TWO fours made 425 HP, and a LS6 with ONE four made more at 450??? And then you look at the Buick GS Stage One with one 4 barrel that would stay with both of them with comfort. If I could go back and buy the ULTIMATE Muscle Car...I would say I would buy a 1970 Buick GS Stage One. You could literally take it on vacation in a long haul with comfort, and keep up with OR beat most of the top dogs in that era. I have never even owned one, but the Buick seems to me to be hands down, no comparison, the top winner...massive torque, horsepower, with a very nice ride and comfort.
Bob Silver - Buick issue was the front cover mounted oil pump. Had to pull oil from the rear sump pan and you couldn't make the pump bigger for more oil flow.
Great episode, folks! We often see a Sublime '70 Challenger when you're inside the Brothers' hangar - any chance you could do a feature on it? Thanks! :@D
I really don't know what the deal is, but back about 1981, I bought a '71 Buick Riviera in excellent condition, with a 455, FACTORY POSI-TRACTION REAR END, and duel exhaust. The factory sticker was still inside the glovebox door to show those added options. I was just a kid, about 18, and my dad & a couple uncles who were good mechanics & hot rodders, swore that motor had a hotter cam in it, because it had a wicked "lope" at idle, and ran way too good to be "factory stock". I'm not kidding, you could leave it in "Drive" running about 25/30 mph, then suddenly mash the gas pedal only 2/3rd's of the way down, and it would light the tires up. ( Ya had to be running at least 35 mph to keep it from spinning, no joke. ) You could literally coax the automatic transmission into each gear by easing up on the gas pedal, even into final drive, all while still burning the tires. Yet I always see everyone else with big blocks & automatic transmissions having to "power brake" the damned things from a standing start, just to get it to burn rubber. I kept refusing to race this other guy with a '68 Firebird with 400 and 4-speed from a standing start. I knew I would just sit and spin while he would've walked away. But finally, I talked him into a rolling start at 40 mph. I had witnesses to this, I immediately started gapping the piss out of him, to the point he was a good 6 car lengths behind me. It was late at night and I began lifting on the throttle, because I thought he had already "given up & let off his throttle".........but suddenly I saw his headlights jump........he had just banged 4th gear full bore and coming fast, and I had slowed quite a bit. I mashed it to the floor, he nearly caught me, and I gapped his ass again..........so bad in fact, he never even met up with us at the agree'd location.......I kept pulling away until he was out of sight. Tried to get him to repeat a rolling race a week later in front of a whole crowd, and he refused. I believe my dad & uncles were right, somebody built that 455 somehow. I know these motors were torque monsters, but my giant sled ran too damned fast to be SO heavy.........and still be "factory stock". Talk about a sleeper............
Most big blocks were over square. That includes all of the Chevy BB, all the performance MOPARS, all the Fords. Displacement is key to both HP and torque. However displacement and bore largely effects HP where displacement and stroke mainly effects torque. As an example take a 5L engine like the 302 4" bore 3" stroke ideal ratio for making HP, reverse it you still have a 302 but with a 3" bore and 4" stroke you will make big torque for it's size but the HP will be low. Due mainly to limitation in transmissions, not many gears, torque was king in during the muscle car era. Power bands were fairly narrow and the trans couldn't keep the engine near peak power. As result torque matter a lot more than it does in a modern car today with regards to acceleration. Today with 7+ gears common place keeping an engine within 2000 rpm of peak power isn't a problem. In most modern cars when shifting at red line you will stay well past the point where torque has rolled over. Acceleration is always about HP, but we tend to focus on the peaks when it's the average HP between shifts that matters. While a torque monsters may not make great HP like the Buick, it's still making decent hp down low so the average power is about the same as the LS6 between shifts which negates the advantages of the more peaky LS6.
I think a segment on small blocks such as 340 6 pak , 302 Z28 , boss 351 and don't forget to set the record straight with AMCs 290 thru 401 block engines.
So I buy this '69 Delta 88 w/a 455. I take the breather off, and there's a 2 barrel carb on the damn thing!!! I didn't even know they put 2 barrels on those things!! Looked kinda lonely, sitting there in the middle of an intake manifold on top of a big block. Like it was in a desert.
I was lucky enough to grow up in the 70s & own many of the great muscle cars before prices really skyrocketed. I had quite a few big blocks including a 440 6 ack Challenger. Hemi Cuda, 428 Shelby but in all honesty the nastiest one was my 69 L-88 Corvette, it really shouldn't have been released for street use as this was really a thinly disguised race car.Interestingly enough my buddy had a Ram Air IV GTO as well & it was one incredible running car, I would love to buy a Judge with that beauty of an engine, of coarse I would let Butler Performance work their magic on it first.
I'm a big block guy for sure, but nowadays it really helps to have over 500cubes to be competitive racing. Obviously it wouldn't be stock , but a good percentage of cars raced are not factory, whether it be on the street or track.
Someone isn't giving the Boss 429 credit where credit is due. In 1969 Hot Rod, Motor Trend and Car Craft magazines wrote extended reviews of the Boss 429. In the back of these publications were compiled performance specs for all of Americas top performance cars. The Boss 429 was extensively tested in the 1/4 mile and was the fastest American production car in 1969 and 1970. I took the following information directly from Motor Trends 1969 review. ..just keeping it real! www.motortrend.ca/en/news/ford-mustang-boss-302-429-351 Ford built the first 279 Boss 429s with what Ford called the S-code engine, equipped with a Cobra Jet hydraulic camshaft and NASCAR-grade forged connecting rods, and rated at 375 hp. Later T-code engines used mechanical camshafts and were rated with 25 more ponies. While the rev limiter, smallish carburetor, and restrictive factory exhaust did nothing for output, removing or replacing them brought power to frightening levels. Dyno tests on stock street Boss 429s deliver a consistent 500-plus hp. This wasn’t a beginner’s car. www.hotrod.com/articles/1969-ford-mustang-boss-429/ (performance spec) Specifications Engine 428.8-cu-in/7027cc OHV V-8, 1×4-bbl Holley carburetor Power and torque (SAE gross) 375 hp @ 5200 rpm, 450 lb-ft @ 3400 rpm Drivetrain 4-speed manual,(Top Loader) RWD Brakes front solid disc, rear: drum Suspension front: control arms, coil springs, anti-roll bar; rear, live axle, leaf springs Dimensions L: 187.4 in, W: 71.7 in, H: 51.5 in Weight 3400 lb Performance 0-60 mph: 5.3 sec, quarter mile: 12.3 sec @ 112 mph, 60-0 mph
Not many people know that about the boss9. Most of the time if you try to explain it to em they start screaming "mY hEMi iS BEtTeR tHaN YouR fORd!" Lol.
Benevolent Protector - Your statement seems to be disingenuous & highly suspect considering that numerous other road test articles show much different results. You leave out that the results you show are for a RACE prepared car -- NOT out of the box factory stock or even a factory "ringer" that the factory "super tuned" before letting the magazines try them. You quote "Motor Trend, April 1970, test car engine blueprinted, suspension/tire setup for B/Stock drag racing" for your performance numbers without quoting the article. It was common to get a 1/2 sec out of a good strip suspension tuning vs stock street set up. 10" street groove M&H Racemasters screwed to the rims at 14# pressure was a world of difference than the factory F60-15 Polyglas at 30#. I was highly disappointed when I got my 70 Boss9 and a couple of years later it was a very easy choice to sell the Boss9 and keep my 69 CJ fb - The 69 CJ 3.98 crank was a far superior street machine than the Boss9 could hope for without a lot of $. Boss9 has the same hood factor as my 67 GT500 - open the hood and wow.... but that was when they were parked. Re- ringing the heads was fun - not, but interesting. Real street Boss9 from the factory were far from the "best" performers on the various magazine road tests. Even a Torino Cobra ran as fast as a Boss9. Hemis in various bodies and BB Vettes had many better performances in road tests. Nickey Camaros were in the mid-high 11s and Tasca CJ 11.6..... but they were race cars in "street" trim much like the car for the results you show. 69 Yenko Camaro 13.5... HiPerformance Cars and Super Street Cars magazines showed the Boss9 @ 13.6 Hemis are made for top end breathing... 100+ mph and they came on very strong but that's not where street muscle is at. My 70 Boss9 was one of the finest cars I ever drove over 100 mph. Not just power but overall handling performance at speed. Wish I could put into words the variances between Boss9 CJ, Shelbys BB Vettes, GTO, AMX, SS Chevelles, Super Bee, Fairlanes, Chargers, Daytona, Cudas, Runners, GS -- they were MY business in the 1960s. Buy sell trade - guys with big eyes then payments too big or family issues they needed to get out of. I saved them, made $ for myself and they were more fun than selling farm equipment.
@@10susan10 I understand the difference between production cars and hyped up race cars like those sold by Shelby and Yenco but I'm not referring to those. I was 15 years old, a freshman in high school in 1969 and I read all the car magazines. I also lived 3 miles from Fremont drags strip and I spent as much time there as was possible over those years. I was witness to the performance of all these different production cars since I was 8 years old. The process between the mfg's and the magazine editors was simple, the mfg's made their production cars available and the respective writers -many of whom were racers themselves- would extensively test the cars and publish the results. This was the case for all the cars, not just Ford. Perhaps your not aware that the Boss 429 "is" actually the same 1968 428 CJ 385 series block ...only with huge Hemi Heads and were specifically built to race the Nascar series and just like the hyped up Dodge Hemi and GM big blocks, those race engines were relaxed for public sale to comply with federal emission laws and insurance mandates. I simply read the published articles and their list of top runners for those years ..which correlated with the results I saw at the dragstrip. Sorry if those published results looks like a personal attack on your favorite brand.
I really miss the ( REAL MUSCLE ) Cars from the 60s to the early 70s, those were the days. My Dad loved big V8/ 4 speed cars, so I grew up being obsessed with the rumble and tire smoke. 75% of the guys I grew up with knew the difference between big block and small block...whatever badge it carried. It was a whole different time back then tho. I see a lot of the young kids today bolting plastic wings to the trunk lid, throwing a fart can muffler on their cars, then redlining their 4 cylinder around like they just left the set of the fast and ferocious. I guess they're trying to hot rod what's available, but makes me chuckle a bit.
@@kevinkendall3122 thank you, I've heard all kinds of wrong info, like one is aluminum the other is cast iron, one is a racing engine, one is a street engine, someone says one thing, then someone else says the reverse of what the first guy says.
Ro Jo - Actually the Windsor was built at the Windsor, Ontario CA plant and the Cleveland was made at the Cleveland, OH plant to start. Windsor valve covers have 6 bolts. Cleveland 8 bolts. Windsor fuel pump has horizontal bolts and the Cleveland vertical bolts. Windsor 351W is 25" wide Cleveland is 25.5" width Windsor 351W is 29" long Cleveland is 29.5" long Windsor 351W is 29" high Cleveland is 29.5" high Cleveland weighs 25# more than a Windsor. Windsor deck height is 9.4" Cleveland is 9.2" Windsor is considered in the small block family of 221 to 302 CID. Cleveland is NOT a big block but part of the 335 family . Ford big blocks are all 27"+ wide and over 30" tall.
When the 429 Cobra Jet came out it one the Winston Cup Championship and I don't even need to mention the great one the 427 side Oiler Ford first on race day fast on race day and last but certainly not least ferocious on race day no damn two bit junk Chevroleshit will leave my good friends the Mopar guys for another day but for now it's the blue oval all the way
@@nickefgen9219 good afternoon Nic I had a 67 with a straight 6 in it it had some get up and go after that I had the 5. 0 very good after that I got a brand new 4. 6 very disappointed so now I'm waiting to hit the lottery and I can guarantee you you could guess which one it's going to be thanks for getting back to me buddy were a Dying Breed so we got to keep up the good fight take care my friend
thanks, mine has six in it I've swapped it over from a 3speed to 4 speed and also swapped the six rear and front 4lug hub's out for the v-8 stuff so I can make it a nice driver no trailer Queen here
i recall reading long ago that the Boss 429 motor was so big that in order to do some routine maintenance you had to pull the engine to get access. true or false ?
Yes and how about the Chevy 409, 427, and the Ford 406, and 390, there are so many big block engines that in their time were the awesome engines of that day. The old Mopar 440, 426 cross ram and the 413 were some really bad ass engines also. Myself I don't think I would have done such a video like this because it's really so far from being inclusive of so many different engines from the days of old that it just doesn't justify such a large number of engines that were just as famous as those that are included in this video. Sure, they are great engines but so were all of the rest of the ones that were left out.
L88 had cast iron block, aluminium heads and intake. The all aluminum 427 was the ZL1, put in the Camaro. That was what the factory did. What dealers and individuals accomplished......... But here is the important thing to remember about the Corvette; Zora Arkus Duntov liked the power of the Big Block but not the weight. Under power, a small block gave a 50-50 weight distribution. The L88 with aluminium heads would do the same 50-50 at speed. My thoughts are the ZL1 would not due to being too light. But the part about the L88 is well known. The L88 and the ZL1 were derivatives from the McClaren and Chapparal programs. I have little knowledge of anything special that was left out of the L88/ZL1 versions other than they played with stretching the cubic inches to 495 and 510. They are mentioned in the old Power book but no info about how to produce such a thing at that time. Enter John Lingenfelter in about 1986. A cast iron 496 in his 3+3 tow vehicle that made mountains of torque on regular pump gas. At that time, it was quite miraculous.
At 6500? Not as much as a cammer ;) I guarantee that lol. But in all seriousness the Hemi was one hell of a motor. I wouldn't be suprised if it hit close to 500 with minor adjustments
Even back in the day, there were folks who thought that the difference between big and small blocks was the displacement. Thanks for pointing out that there is no big block Pontiac; it's just a Pontiac, although there was a low deck 301 V8. It's not the technical feature of the muscle car are that gets mangled. and at my age, the tendency to tear my hair out over the frustration that creates is not a good idea. It's going to get worse as those those of us who actually remember those times are getting older.
I know huh, 425 was a bulit proof motor if i remember right it had 10-1 or 11-1 compression with ultra high compression pistons out of the factory my 67 olds delmont would roast the tires.
Thanks for the memories! My big blocks were 455 Olds in a 70 Cutlass SX and a 440 Dodge in the Coronet.
Every single car in that collection is stunning. This is one of my favorite TH-cam channels.
Thank you for including Pontiac. While the block was mid sized, the displacement was equal to the others. Probably the most flexible V8 engine ever built. 287 through 455. Thank you for this great video!
Pontiac 400 was one of my favorites to build ,lots of power to be made with one.
Nice to finally see a video with a guy who knows what he's talking about, isn't it? Pontiac did have "large journal" blocks (421, 428, 455), but no, no "big block".
Though the Pontiac Ram Air IV 400 is cited in this video, I think the 1973-74 Pontiac Super Duty 455 engine deserves a honorable mention.
@@SuperBLACKGP yes, yes I would have to agree.
Robert, my 68' 400 camed up with 75cc heads runs like a son of a bitch in my trans am! something about those old Pontiac 400's. coolest sounding engines I thought as well
These are some of the best examples of the baddest big blocks . Love seeing these and I always learn something from these videos. Thanks for keeping these fine muscle cars alive and sharing them with us
bought an LS-6 454 crate motor in 71. dropped it into my 66 SS chevelle. left the 396 emblems on(oops)
paid $795 for that monster. won a few street races now & again.
Greatest engine of all time. Undisputed, not arguable, the king, unbeatable, greatest jaw dropper that changed everything. Chrysler 426 hemi. Nothing even comes close
Awesome video... but I need some 440 Mopar! Underappreciated as a redlight champ and for having the sweetest rumble ever to come off an assembly line!
Cool episode. My favorite "big block" is the 427 in the '67 Vette with aluminum heads and three 2 barrels right from the factory. Also the all aluminum 427 found in a hand full of '69 Copo Camaros was real cool too.
The 440 wedge was the workhorse big block for Mopar. Thousands of these engines dominated the streets. Hemi engines were rare on the street.
All very well explained and defined indeed. Great presentation as always, very enjoyable!!!
I love the way this guy narrates the show. Great narrator...great knowledge and great cars👌👌👌👌👍👍👍👍👍👍
Thanks for the sunshine!
pontiac should have put the ram air 4 induction system on the 428 engine. I did it in the early 80's and dropped it in a 1970 firebird. that car ran 12.21 through the quarter with 3.08 gears and slicks. the good old days.
That's badass especially with 3.08 gears,wow!
Pontiac power babyyyy
Wow nice, Good information, I can't wait till you go over with the small blocks, the 289,327,350,340 ect , Thank you I really enjoyed this from Joey in Honolulu ,Hawaii , Aloha 😎
The buick 455 stage 1 is by far my favorite of the late 60s early 70s big blocks
Mine Also
I'm excited for the small block episode, you guys gotta have a dodge 340 in there
Def have the 340 six pack. It was a monster
@@stripervince1 hell even the standard 340 was super fast and light for its time, it blew most of the GM 350s out of the water
BOSS 351
@Stealth Customs Corporation Thats totally true 390s and 401s were bad ass and under rated
@@steventronnes7300 Hell Yeah ! Ford's Best Small Block Period, underated at 330 HP That Strength of the Boss Block and those Monster Cleveland Closed Chamber 4 Barrel Heads was an absolute High Winding Beast !!! Ran a Cleveland Engine in my Fox Body for a while, Now has a 521 Stroked 460. Always got a place in my Heart for those Cleveland's. But the Torque of the BBF is hard to Beat. One things for sure, There Will ALWAYS be a FORD under my hood. No LS,s Allowed !!!
Thanks Kevin..for displaying that beautiful Vette..wow.
Was surprised that Chevy’s 427 didn’t get mentioned or the Dodge 440 six pack. Hard to find the time for everything isn’t it?
@Motersickle Bum .....and the 383 and 400.
Fords 427 Cammer deserves a spot in here for sure. But if he included every big block engine and their variants it'd be an hour+ long video
@Motersickle Bum .my 1970 Plymouth Satellite had a factory 383 complete numbers matching car. 100% original. It would fry thr tires and was no slouch.
@@norristammislideshowmulgre877 I had a '69 Charger with a 383 and given its displacement, it was a dog. My brother had a '70 or '71 (can't remember), Charger with a 400 and it was a dog too.
@@norristammislideshowmulgre877 true, the 383 was built for low end torque, high revving. It was the smallest if Chrysler's B Series Block engines, 383-440, and ALL parts were interchangable with deception of anything that would be affected by the deck height. UK stock cam out of a hemi and slide right into a 383 or 440 and it would fit!
No mention of Olds?
As an owner of a 1970 302 Boss. I would love to see a small block episode!
Talked to a guy today having a 440. Rebuilt for a 69 dart. He claimed the cost was $12,000 and will put out 700+ Hp. Times have changed, well the cost anyway. Thanks for you Friday episodes. Awesome end to the week.
I have a 440 cid for sale.
Just comment if you need it.
Special deal for 440 cid + 727 trans. + Dana 60.
We definitely need a legendary small block episode!!!!!!
Boss 429, great pick!😁👍🛠️ And 426 Street Hemi and LS6 454!!😁👍🛠️And 427 medium riser/side oiler!👍😁🛠️
Super Duty Pontiac 455. Enough said.
Hi Kevin, Outstanding commentary and descriptions of the different engines. I learned today too. Well done, Lou
Great vid! A similar one w/ small blocks would be welcomed too, Kevin!
I Do Really Really LOVE This "Iron & Steel Explanations" Videos. Thank You MCW.
Big Blocks were fabulous Keven, you guys made My day!
Those are all some wonderful engines and cars . I have a 71 LS6 Corvette engine in my machine shop right now to rebuild . It came out of a white convertible . It has been sitting for about 30 years . Had a tough time getting some of the pistons out of it . But we will make it as close to new again as we possibly can . This car will eventually be for sale by my customer .
If it isn't committed drop an LS in it. Better design and more power for less $. Lots of drop in kits available.
Great show - just the right length. And great information, e. g., side oiler was concisely explained.
What an amazing video! Every car in the collection is always interesting. I would love to give up my job working on cars and be a part of the crew they must have behind the scenes.
Big thanks Kevin for including us Pontiac people with that stellar Ram Air lV GTO.
The big block / small block debate on Pontiac engines continues to make the purists crazy but big power is the ticket here.
the Pontiac 400 left quite a few people in the dust, my 400 runs like a raped ape!
Thanks for the walk down memory lane! I loved my Chevelle till a friend wrapped it around a semi.
I'd bet you don't let anyone drive your car now, huh?
I understand your pain my friend totaled my 75 Chevelle ,after I just put a fully rebuild 454 in. I miss that Car.
THIS was an awesome episode. Great info and I loved seeing my fav engine the buick 455.
Id like to request an 87 buick GNX if the Brothers collection has one!
Definitely would be great to see best small block, best straight 6 motors and best “less common” motors mostly from the 55-69 era
Like fords 312 in a nice 57 T-Bird Conv.
Like a Studebaker golden hawk.. 289 v8 with supercharger
@musclecaroftheweek can y'all pretty pretty pretty please do a spotlight episode on the Ford 427 Cammer engine? Ya know, history, development, stats and whatnot? I think it'd be a very popular video in my honest and completely biased opinion lol.
@@jacktsmith9408 I know the story, but there people out there who don't, and if they truly have 110 in their veins they'll wanna know
Yes please Kevin. 427 SOHC episode.
I'd LOVE to see it !!! and the Tunnel Port too for that matter.. all from the 427 FE vintage.... Ford did some bitchen stuff, and the 427 STILL is one of the greatest motors making great HP numbers today....
These videos are like a good bedtime story. Thanks! On another note, @ 5:50 you stated the Buick 455 had an over-square design, which was "unusual for big block engines." As I recall, the majority of BB engines had over-square engines! The only engines I can think of that did not were the Olds BB engines?! Furthermore, all of the BBs that made the biggest impact were over-square?!
And I guess the Pontiacs...by a small margin. But the list of over-square BBs includes: All Chryslers, Chevys, Fords, Buicks, Cadillacs, and even the larger AMCs!
I was thinking the same thing. There’s actually a lot of bad info in this video
Great episode! Yes, please do a show on small blocks.
This was a good video and great information all great looking cars.
This collection is not complete without mentioning aw30 455 Oldsmobile motor I consider this a work in progress 💪
Sometimes people forget the biggest, a 500CI Cadillac 375 hp a a ton of torque and a top speed of about 120 MPH, and I loved how my Caddy handled!!!! 2022
When that Gold corvette went by I think you could feel the power through the screen
Hey Kevin, if you get comments from viewers that don't know what a big block is, they shouldn't be watching car videos. Also need the 440 six pack, unique engine
Glad you tossed the 400 RAM AiR IV, that engine was impressive to say the least and made well over the listed 370hp claimed by the factory. In fact most made over 400HP
Very nicely done
Hmm,giddyup giddyup giddyup 409!!! Figured y'all would start there,or the 392 Hemi then the Pontiac 421,then 427 ferd next 413 Mopar or Max wedge 426,the Olds 430 wild cat over to the 396-427 Chevy,then of course the venerable Hemi,Pontiacs highly ignored hi horsepower 428,then y'all got the rest-ish,except the 440 and that's almost a wrap. Can't forget the early 20th century British Merlin big block either!!! Lmao!!! Then that's a whole fun new kettle of fish to open with those semi high winding shmall blockz,ja! Veddy inderresdink I love to zee 72nd shmall blockz!!! Lol! Thanks again y'all!!!
Except for GM's Buick/Oldsmobile/Pontiac engines and the Hemi engines, a "big block" traces its roots to a medium duty truck gas engine. Eventually adapted for passenger cars.
do a show on exotic small blocks 327 - 289 - experimental buick and other development engines under 350 ci ! older or early special 283 - even indy small block ford ! = so thanks for the great show and keep em coming !
Needs more olds 455 and mopar 440!
big block vs small block had a lot to do with deck height and bore spacing...which is why you can have a 427 small block Windsor and a 332 big block FE...the displacement doesn't necessarily correlate big vs small. The GMC V6 is what I would consider a big block when you look at the bore spacing, but in displacement it isn't all that 'big'.Big blocks are impressive and surely wouldn't kick it out of my garage, but a high winding small block in front of a 4 speed is prob my fav...I luv the sound of my 408 stroker Cleveland at hi rpm thru the gears...a 'small' block putting out 'big' block c.i.
great video alright... but theres also short-blocks, long-blocks, y-blocks, tall-blocks, raised blocks and truck blocks, theres reinforced blocks, high-nickel content blocks, diesel blocks and 4-bolt main blocks, cast iron and aluminum blocks...then theres bare-blocks and cracked blocks and blocks with a rod thru the side, the kings are the supercharged diesel pull-tractors that..."THROW" entire blocks... and of course theres always holleys metering blocks etc etc etc. drive em too fast around the po-po, you,ll be in a cell-block, but the day always seems to come when either they put em up on blocks or its the auction block.
FYI Pontiac block's range from 301 to 455 .
Actually 287-455.
You are correct sir Pontiac did have smaller displacement engines but I'm referring to a different engine family which is 301 to 455 block design, thanks again for your reply have a great day😳
@@deanwilliams867 The 287-428 all use the same size block. The 455 has a tall deck.
Anyway I'm done with this channel after they started supporting the nation behind 9/11
Unless you are a hard-core fanboy, how could you possibly not admire every one of these cars? I am no longer a brand loyalist and have great respect for what every American car maker did to bring a smile to our face back in the golden age of muscle cars.
I love em all, but I always wondered WHY a Hemi with TWO fours made 425 HP, and a LS6 with ONE four made more at 450??? And then you look at the Buick GS Stage One with one 4 barrel that would stay with both of them with comfort. If I could go back and buy the ULTIMATE Muscle Car...I would say I would buy a 1970 Buick GS Stage One. You could literally take it on vacation in a long haul with comfort, and keep up with OR beat most of the top dogs in that era. I have never even owned one, but the Buick seems to me to be hands down, no comparison, the top winner...massive torque, horsepower, with a very nice ride and comfort.
Bob Silver - Buick issue was the front cover mounted oil pump. Had to pull oil from the rear sump pan and you couldn't make the pump bigger for more oil flow.
Great episode, folks! We often see a Sublime '70 Challenger when you're inside the Brothers' hangar - any chance you could do a feature on it? Thanks! :@D
I thought for sure you were gonna show the ZL1 427 but still an informative episode.
I really don't know what the deal is, but back about 1981, I bought a '71 Buick Riviera in excellent condition, with a 455, FACTORY POSI-TRACTION REAR END, and duel exhaust. The factory sticker was still inside the glovebox door to show those added options. I was just a kid, about 18, and my dad & a couple uncles who were good mechanics & hot rodders, swore that motor had a hotter cam in it, because it had a wicked "lope" at idle, and ran way too good to be "factory stock". I'm not kidding, you could leave it in "Drive" running about 25/30 mph, then suddenly mash the gas pedal only 2/3rd's of the way down, and it would light the tires up. ( Ya had to be running at least 35 mph to keep it from spinning, no joke. ) You could literally coax the automatic transmission into each gear by easing up on the gas pedal, even into final drive, all while still burning the tires. Yet I always see everyone else with big blocks & automatic transmissions having to "power brake" the damned things from a standing start, just to get it to burn rubber. I kept refusing to race this other guy with a '68 Firebird with 400 and 4-speed from a standing start. I knew I would just sit and spin while he would've walked away. But finally, I talked him into a rolling start at 40 mph. I had witnesses to this, I immediately started gapping the piss out of him, to the point he was a good 6 car lengths behind me. It was late at night and I began lifting on the throttle, because I thought he had already "given up & let off his throttle".........but suddenly I saw his headlights jump........he had just banged 4th gear full bore and coming fast, and I had slowed quite a bit. I mashed it to the floor, he nearly caught me, and I gapped his ass again..........so bad in fact, he never even met up with us at the agree'd location.......I kept pulling away until he was out of sight. Tried to get him to repeat a rolling race a week later in front of a whole crowd, and he refused. I believe my dad & uncles were right, somebody built that 455 somehow. I know these motors were torque monsters, but my giant sled ran too damned fast to be SO heavy.........and still be "factory stock". Talk about a sleeper............
The 440 Mopar should have been mentioned. But oh well.
Awesome channel
Most big blocks were over square. That includes all of the Chevy BB, all the performance MOPARS, all the Fords.
Displacement is key to both HP and torque. However displacement and bore largely effects HP where displacement and stroke mainly effects torque.
As an example take a 5L engine like the 302 4" bore 3" stroke ideal ratio for making HP, reverse it you still have a 302 but with a 3" bore and 4" stroke you will make big torque for it's size but the HP will be low. Due mainly to limitation in transmissions, not many gears, torque was king in during the muscle car era. Power bands were fairly narrow and the trans couldn't keep the engine near peak power. As result torque matter a lot more than it does in a modern car today with regards to acceleration. Today with 7+ gears common place keeping an engine within 2000 rpm of peak power isn't a problem. In most modern cars when shifting at red line you will stay well past the point where torque has rolled over.
Acceleration is always about HP, but we tend to focus on the peaks when it's the average HP between shifts that matters. While a torque monsters may not make great HP like the Buick, it's still making decent hp down low so the average power is about the same as the LS6 between shifts which negates the advantages of the more peaky LS6.
Very interesting. So much so that I screenshot it so I can read it again later. 👍👍
I think a segment on small blocks such as 340 6 pak , 302 Z28 , boss 351 and don't forget to set the record straight with AMCs 290 thru 401 block engines.
A hemi charger was a monster on the street and on the track
Why no mention of the Pontiac SD455?
Pontiac did not have small/big blocks per say pretty much all were externally the same size.
A great story!
So I buy this '69 Delta 88 w/a 455. I take the breather off, and there's a 2 barrel carb on the damn thing!!! I didn't even know they put 2 barrels on those things!! Looked kinda lonely, sitting there in the middle of an intake manifold on top of a big block. Like it was in a desert.
Lot of great engines and cars. Ah of course there is also the L88.
Thanks
You should do an episode of underappreciated big blocks and how they are the budget man's go to that isn't a small block.
Yes plese a small block episode would be very nice
I was lucky enough to grow up in the 70s & own many of the great muscle cars before prices really skyrocketed. I had quite a few big blocks including a 440 6 ack Challenger. Hemi Cuda, 428 Shelby but in all honesty the nastiest one was my 69 L-88 Corvette, it really shouldn't have been released for street use as this was really a thinly disguised race car.Interestingly enough my buddy had a Ram Air IV GTO as well & it was one incredible running car, I would love to buy a Judge with that beauty of an engine, of coarse I would let Butler Performance work their magic on it first.
RamAir IV 400 is a cool small block....where's the Pontiac 455 Super Duty?
neither was either , Pontiac's were most the same size, so there's no Big Block designation for them.
Hope you guys will remember to include the AMC motors in the next engine profiles ( like the ones that were used in persuit vehicles)
Best episode ever.
I'm a big block guy for sure, but nowadays it really helps to have over 500cubes to be competitive racing. Obviously it wouldn't be stock , but a good percentage of cars raced are not factory, whether it be on the street or track.
Someone isn't giving the Boss 429 credit where credit is due. In 1969 Hot Rod, Motor Trend and Car Craft magazines wrote extended reviews of the Boss 429. In the back of these publications were compiled performance specs for all of Americas top performance cars. The Boss 429 was extensively tested in the 1/4 mile and was the fastest American production car in 1969 and 1970.
I took the following information directly from Motor Trends 1969 review. ..just keeping it real!
www.motortrend.ca/en/news/ford-mustang-boss-302-429-351
Ford built the first 279 Boss 429s with what Ford called the S-code engine, equipped with a Cobra Jet hydraulic camshaft and NASCAR-grade forged connecting rods, and rated at 375 hp. Later T-code engines used mechanical camshafts and were rated with 25 more ponies. While the rev limiter, smallish carburetor, and restrictive factory exhaust did nothing for output, removing or replacing them brought power to frightening levels. Dyno tests on stock street Boss 429s deliver a consistent 500-plus hp. This wasn’t a beginner’s car.
www.hotrod.com/articles/1969-ford-mustang-boss-429/ (performance spec)
Specifications
Engine 428.8-cu-in/7027cc OHV V-8, 1×4-bbl Holley carburetor
Power and torque (SAE gross) 375 hp @ 5200 rpm, 450 lb-ft @ 3400 rpm
Drivetrain 4-speed manual,(Top Loader) RWD
Brakes front solid disc, rear: drum
Suspension front: control arms, coil springs, anti-roll bar; rear, live axle, leaf springs
Dimensions L: 187.4 in, W: 71.7 in, H: 51.5 in
Weight 3400 lb
Performance 0-60 mph: 5.3 sec, quarter mile: 12.3 sec @ 112 mph, 60-0 mph
Not many people know that about the boss9. Most of the time if you try to explain it to em they start screaming "mY hEMi iS BEtTeR tHaN YouR fORd!" Lol.
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- Your statement seems to be disingenuous & highly suspect considering that numerous other road test articles show much different results. You leave out that the results you show are for a RACE prepared car -- NOT out of the box factory stock or even a factory "ringer" that the factory "super tuned" before letting the magazines try them. You quote "Motor Trend, April 1970, test car engine blueprinted, suspension/tire setup for B/Stock drag racing" for your performance numbers without quoting the article. It was common to get a 1/2 sec out of a good strip suspension tuning vs stock street set up. 10" street groove M&H Racemasters screwed to the rims at 14# pressure was a world of difference than the factory F60-15 Polyglas at 30#. I was highly disappointed when I got my 70 Boss9 and a couple of years later it was a very easy choice to sell the Boss9 and keep my 69 CJ fb - The 69 CJ 3.98 crank was a far superior street machine than the Boss9 could hope for without a lot of $. Boss9 has the same hood factor as my 67 GT500 - open the hood and wow.... but that was when they were parked. Re- ringing the heads was fun - not, but interesting.
Real street Boss9 from the factory were far from the "best" performers on the various magazine road tests. Even a Torino Cobra ran as fast as a Boss9. Hemis in various bodies and BB Vettes had many better performances in road tests. Nickey Camaros were in the mid-high 11s and Tasca CJ 11.6..... but they were race cars in "street" trim much like the car for the results you show. 69 Yenko Camaro 13.5... HiPerformance Cars and Super Street Cars magazines showed the Boss9 @ 13.6
Hemis are made for top end breathing... 100+ mph and they came on very strong but that's not where street muscle is at. My 70 Boss9 was one of the finest cars I ever drove over 100 mph. Not just power but overall handling performance at speed. Wish I could put into words the variances between Boss9 CJ, Shelbys BB Vettes, GTO, AMX, SS Chevelles, Super Bee, Fairlanes, Chargers, Daytona, Cudas, Runners, GS -- they were MY business in the 1960s. Buy sell trade - guys with big eyes then payments too big or family issues they needed to get out of. I saved them, made $ for myself and they were more fun than selling farm equipment.
@@10susan10 Wrong answer quiz kid...
@@BobbyOfEarth Keep trying but the facts ARE facts. Numerous articles stated dramatic differences for real stock not race built cars.
@@10susan10 I understand the difference between production cars and hyped up race cars like those sold by Shelby and Yenco but I'm not referring to those. I was 15 years old, a freshman in high school in 1969 and I read all the car magazines. I also lived 3 miles from Fremont drags strip and I spent as much time there as was possible over those years. I was witness to the performance of all these different production cars since I was 8 years old. The process between the mfg's and the magazine editors was simple, the mfg's made their production cars available and the respective writers -many of whom were racers themselves- would extensively test the cars and publish the results. This was the case for all the cars, not just Ford. Perhaps your not aware that the Boss 429 "is" actually the same 1968 428 CJ 385 series block ...only with huge Hemi Heads and were specifically built to race the Nascar series and just like the hyped up Dodge Hemi and GM big blocks, those race engines were relaxed for public sale to comply with federal emission laws and insurance mandates. I simply read the published articles and their list of top runners for those years ..which correlated with the results I saw at the dragstrip. Sorry if those published results looks like a personal attack on your favorite brand.
I really miss the
( REAL MUSCLE ) Cars from the 60s to the early 70s, those were the days. My Dad loved big V8/ 4 speed cars, so I grew up being obsessed with the rumble and tire smoke. 75% of the guys I grew up with knew the difference between big block and small block...whatever badge it carried. It was a whole different time back then tho. I see a lot of the young kids today bolting plastic wings to the trunk lid, throwing a fart can muffler on their cars, then redlining their 4 cylinder around like they just left the set of the fast and ferocious. I guess they're trying to hot rod what's available, but makes me chuckle a bit.
Pontiac SD 455 and H.O 455 any questions.
What is the difference between a Windsor and a Cleveland?
Windsor is a small block,Cleveland a big block
@@kevinkendall3122 thank you, I've heard all kinds of wrong info, like one is aluminum the other is cast iron, one is a racing engine, one is a street engine, someone says one thing, then someone else says the reverse of what the first guy says.
Ro Jo - Actually the Windsor was built at the Windsor, Ontario CA plant and the Cleveland was made at the Cleveland, OH plant to start.
Windsor valve covers have 6 bolts. Cleveland 8 bolts. Windsor fuel pump has horizontal bolts and the Cleveland vertical bolts.
Windsor 351W is 25" wide Cleveland is 25.5" width
Windsor 351W is 29" long Cleveland is 29.5" long
Windsor 351W is 29" high Cleveland is 29.5" high
Cleveland weighs 25# more than a Windsor.
Windsor deck height is 9.4" Cleveland is 9.2"
Windsor is considered in the small block family of 221 to 302 CID. Cleveland is NOT a big block but part of the 335 family .
Ford big blocks are all 27"+ wide and over 30" tall.
@@10susan10 That was a great explanation.
Cleveland is a big-block my ass. Not in this or any other reality. Also, Clevelands had canted-valve heads. Windsors had inline valves
You missed the 427 doc ford monster
Know you love the GSX Kevin but you showed a GS, danged beautiful one too, but only a GS. :)
Hey! You tossed the small block for the Pontiac fans, how ‘bout we Briggs & Stratton fans?
you mean briggs and scrap iron
I always believed BUICK engines were neither big or small block, same as OLDSMOBILE
An Olds big block was actually a high deck block that accommodated longer strokes.
Gracias por la explicación.
Was AMC's 390 considered a Big Block ?
No.
@@wysetech2000 thx.
Was GMC's 305 V6 a big block, because they sure drink gas like one.
When the 429 Cobra Jet came out it one the Winston Cup Championship and I don't even need to mention the great one the 427 side Oiler Ford first on race day fast on race day and last but certainly not least ferocious on race day no damn two bit junk Chevroleshit will leave my good friends the Mopar guys for another day but for now it's the blue oval all the way
Joseph Taverna gotta love those Ford's I've got a 1967 mustang
@@nickefgen9219 good afternoon Nic I had a 67 with a straight 6 in it it had some get up and go after that I had the 5. 0 very good after that I got a brand new 4. 6 very disappointed so now I'm waiting to hit the lottery and I can guarantee you you could guess which one it's going to be thanks for getting back to me buddy were a Dying Breed so we got to keep up the good fight take care my friend
thanks, mine has six in it I've swapped it over from a 3speed to 4 speed and also swapped the six rear and front 4lug hub's out for the v-8 stuff so I can make it a nice driver no trailer Queen here
Hands down, take the 427 side Oiler Ford over all
i recall reading long ago that the Boss 429 motor was so big that in order to do some routine maintenance you had to pull the engine to get access. true or false ?
Is the 69 Pontiac GTO the only GTO with special components?
Yes and how about the Chevy 409, 427, and the Ford 406, and 390, there are so many big block engines that in their time were the awesome engines of that day. The old Mopar 440, 426 cross ram and the 413 were some really bad ass engines also. Myself I don't think I would have done such a video like this because it's really so far from being inclusive of so many different engines from the days of old that it just doesn't justify such a large number of engines that were just as famous as those that are included in this video. Sure, they are great engines but so were all of the rest of the ones that were left out.
A couple other big block engines you forgot: Pontiac's 421 Super Duty, the Dodge 440 Six Pack, and Chevy's 502 Rat.
The 502 was never installed in any Chevy.
Do a video on Small Blocks and then one on some forgotten V8"s
Yes like the 1964 Studebaker 289 v8 with a supercharger....
@@yeseniakrueger1863 hell ya talk a bulletproof engine 17 head bolts gear driven cam studebaker went out with a bang
Wasn't there a Corvette with a all aluminum 427cu bb
L88 had cast iron block, aluminium heads and intake. The all aluminum 427 was the ZL1, put in the Camaro. That was what the factory did. What dealers and individuals accomplished......... But here is the important thing to remember about the Corvette; Zora Arkus Duntov liked the power of the Big Block but not the weight. Under power, a small block gave a 50-50 weight distribution. The L88 with aluminium heads would do the same 50-50 at speed. My thoughts are the ZL1 would not due to being too light. But the part about the L88 is well known. The L88 and the ZL1 were derivatives from the McClaren and Chapparal programs. I have little knowledge of anything special that was left out of the L88/ZL1 versions other than they played with stretching the cubic inches to 495 and 510. They are mentioned in the old Power book but no info about how to produce such a thing at that time. Enter John Lingenfelter in about 1986. A cast iron 496 in his 3+3 tow vehicle that made mountains of torque on regular pump gas. At that time, it was quite miraculous.
@@thegreenerthemeaner I'm no chevy guy but what about the Winter's 454? That's a narly engine for sure
Camaro, there were 2 ZL1 Corvette's made.
@@thegreenerthemeaner The ZL1 weighs the same as a small block Chevy with an aluminum intake, 550lbs.
@@GlassTopRX7 I was always under the impression the L88 weighed what the small block did. The ZL1 was lighter, but not by much.
The Hemi did make 425hp but only at 5000 rpm. What did it make at 6500 rpm? Car manufacturers were slick back in those days.
At 6500? Not as much as a cammer ;) I guarantee that lol. But in all seriousness the Hemi was one hell of a motor. I wouldn't be suprised if it hit close to 500 with minor adjustments
Brenton Kurth I wasn’t saying the hemi is my favorite just making a point. Pretty sure the cammer was in the 600 range :)
Nicks Garage on youtube dynoed a very close to stock Hemi on one of their vids. It didnt get to 500. Between 450 and 475 if i remember.
Even back in the day, there were folks who thought that the difference between big and small blocks was the displacement. Thanks for pointing out that there is no big block Pontiac; it's just a Pontiac, although there was a low deck 301 V8. It's not the technical feature of the muscle car are that gets mangled. and at my age, the tendency to tear my hair out over the frustration that creates is not a good idea. It's going to get worse as those those of us who actually remember those times are getting older.
The ZL1 Camaro had more horsepower than all those vehicles listed 427 all aluminum claimed 450 horse but we all know it was more like 550
Sorry Kevin but Over square is common in Big Blocks. The 429 Ford is way oversquare.
Damn, no Olds love?!
I know huh, 425 was a bulit proof motor if i remember right it had 10-1 or 11-1 compression with ultra high compression pistons out of the factory my 67 olds delmont would roast the tires.
Always wonder what Pontiac really could've done without GM pulling the reigns on DeLorean at every turn
Seems they run out of cars. Not complaining tho