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Worf is perfectly written in his scene. He is dying to be Riker's number one, but his honor won't allow him to jump over Geordi and so he defers. His brief enthusiasm sells his sacrifice and his sense of honor. When he gets the position anyway, it makes it so much better.
I loved his scene with Riker coming to Worf's quarters to ask him to join Riker, telling Worf all the downsides, and asking what's left: "Guile." "Join me!" "The honor is to serve!"
I think its awesome and i never realized it till now but the Tactical station is directly next to the Captains chair. i think thats a great idea. Anyone else agree????
@@mikeshriver4282 Designed that way for storytelling purposes for this particular episode or a reflection of more conflicts back when the ship came into service?
@@wcarnold yeah I knew it came out roughly around during the time of the Klingon war but yeah that does make sense that it was there because Starfleet was having to constantly handle the Klingons
@@Ferdish3 but realistically it would also make sense to have the same bridge layout and design for as many ships as possible so you can just move officers around without retraining them.
I really like how Riker asserts his command to Wesley making it clear he's not to be second guessed, but also recognizes that he's a kid and gives him a little encouragement.
@@Brees1986 Wes wasn't on the Enterprise in Season 6 ("Chain of Command," the two-parter in that season, was Jellico's only appearance in the series). Wes was still at the Academy. His actions in "Journey's End" the following season, screwing things up for Starfleet with the Native American colonists, most DEFINITELY warrant, and draw, a reprimand, more or less ending his Starfleet career - but he has much bigger explorations ahead with the extra-dimensional being The Traveler.
I've always loved the computer interfaces and general structural designs on this era of Federation ships. It's too bad they never did a show on one of them.
TMP also has a lot of really nice looking ships, videogame and fan designs included since there isn't much officially. Starfleet Command's Akula class might just be the only saucer + 1 nacelle each on top/bottom ship that actually looks good.
Fuckit set it on the hathaway herself. Show why they picked this old girl in a simulation that is supposed to approximate vs the Borg. Show that in her heyday with the right commander she could absolutely Sing.
Those shots of the Hathaway's systems coming back online at 2:13 are one of my favorite memories of the show. they always knew how to make you fall in love with the starships as well as the crews
Starfleet is a bit reckless to abandon a (mostly) functional starship to drift in a random system. Even though the Constellation class isn't a large or powerful vessel, it still seems like the kind of thing you wouldn't want pirates or mercenaries getting their hands on.
I've always wondered how many merc outfits there are in the Trek universe using retired or abandoned Starfleet (or Klingon Defense Force) starships that they've "acquired" and pieced back together. Both organizations seem rather...lackadaisical about the disposal of their old ships. I suspect the Romulan Star Empire is a bit more careful about their old gear. :-D
The reason Co RIKER is leaning in his chair is because in reality the man hurt his back some time before trying for the part on star trek. He was helping to move someone and hurt his back. Ever since rhen he leans in his seat. Also props up his leg onbrocks and other objects to help with the pain.
I've seen the reason for the Riker lean/manuever many times, but this is the first time someone mentioned it was because he was moving something, sounds like maybe he lifted with his back instead of his legs which you're not supposed to do.
I noticed something interesting at 1:22; the crewman in the back reacts to Riker saying "This is your captain." Looked like the smile of a crewman who knows Riker and is happy to hear that from him. If that was the case, seems like a really good attention to detail from a background extra.
i noticed that even as a child on tv. That was the first moment i got a feeling for how Riker was perceived by the crew, or how his character is laid out.
That scene has Westley standing in 2 different locations at once , he is seen on the left where the girl pulls the cover off the consol and behind Ryker with Jordie without showing him walking from place to place.
Yeah, but imagine being a lowly ensign, and having the Ships XO shoulder tap you and be "Yo, you joining me on the Hathaway?" Gotta be a nice feeeling.
I've always found the way Riker sat in chairs like the one on the Hathaway bridge and on the Klingon ship to be super awkward, and it was years after watching the show on TV when I learned about Frakes' chronic back problems. He has to mount chairs and sit like this because otherwise he's in excruciating pain. And he's such a fantastic theater actor, your brain only registers the weird things he does with chairs for a fraction of a second.
I like how firm Riker is with Westley at the end and then once his point is made, goes back and explains, without being condescending, as to what the true point of the exercise is as to boost his morale and to get him back in the game like a good coach would do during a football game with his team IE how one would deal with bad circumstances to overcome a challenge where you feel that you've been delt a bad hand with no way to win, where one would be tempted to surrender and give up just to get it over with. exactly the kind of thing one might be tempted to do with the borg, like how do you get an 80 year old ship to beat a ship like the enterprise? well outside of crash into its nacelle slightly, as maybe that's why when they did the TMP movies the engines were always off unless they were at warp lol
Hourly progress reports from all stations. You're gonna spend more time reading them than working. They're gonna spend more time writing them than working. Just trust your dudes, Riker. They'll tell you if they got a problem.
Seems like most companys today. Not meeting our goals ? Let puts more meetings in the schedule en delay work even more so even less gets done but we wil compensate with more meetings ofcourse
Riker needs to know the status of the ship as they examine/repair it so he can determine what he thinks the essentials that need to get up and running are. i doubt it would take any longer than a few seconds to look at something, determine it needs to be fixed, maybe estimate how long it would take to fix it, and note that down and move on to the next thing to look at. as for repairs, simply noting down "repaired X" probably wouldnt take more than a few seconds either. as for Riker, its _mostly_ going to be the only thing he is doing anyway at that point in time, he is the Captain after all and he has no reason to give out many if any commands at all right now, he needs to know this information so he can determine what needs to be repaired and in what order. in context of the episode, it is vital they make these repairs in a systematic and highly organized way because there are tons of things on the ship they shouldnt even bother with fixing but what should be bothered to be fixed ultimately should be up to Riker and his senior staff (in this case that's basically only Geordi, Worf definitely doesnt have the experience to make a judgement call like that in this situation, the only thing he can really do is advocate for the importance of getting tactical stations and systems up and running)
@@DoctorCVC Oh, okay. "Sensors, your hourly report." "Shit's still fucked, Captain. Working on it." "Shields, what you got?" "Yeah, the whole array is just... not here. There's nothing to fix and nothing to replace it with. We're not gonna have any shields. Reassign us somewhere else."
The set is priceless. I love the old circuit board next to riker that looks like it's from a pentium III PC from the 90s And how Geordi turns the lights on with a single button. I mean they didicated a button on their limited screen to the lights. How does the crew not turn all the lights out in engineering more often "shit sorry guys that was me...now which button was it again to turn the lights back on... Oh wait, that's the one that toggles the warp core on and off..."
@@lex4089 I still haven't watched lower decks but I like to imagine that's what it is... *clicks the warp button... "um, captain, we had people outside working on the ship" CUT TO funeral for the unnamed workers
@@tjwparso Nah, Lower Decks isn't that grim, they don't kill real Crewmen just for one joke. But there is some blood spilled on the Holodeck because an assistance program hasn't been properly debugged. This requires some, lets say creative thinking from the crew =)
"I want hourly progress reports" So, either one word reports, or no work at all getting done and just constant progress reports. "Hows it going in engineering?" "Engineering here.... shit... fuck.... god damnit" "Very good engineering.... very good."
"I'll show you a progress report!" Having to give hourly progress reports would annoy me, like, I'll let you know when I need something and I'll give an update when something actually noteworthy happens, until then let me work.
I used to have a team lead who was like that. At least three or four times a day, he'd message me just to ask what I was working on and what my progress had been since the last time we spoke. Absolutely drove me nuts, because I'd be in the middle of doing work and then need to stop so I could satisfy his need to micromanage. It constantly interrupted my flow. I'm sure in Star Trek they just have a ship computer and the progress reports automatically though. I certainly hope they don't have to write those reports manually...
If the Hathaway was fully recommissioned, it must be assumed she has up-to-date shields, weapons, a Warp 9 engine, and 24th century ship amenities like a holodeck.
@@MoniqueFromPlymouth they apparently were being used for search and rescue and other secondary roles. in the Dominion War they would have been retired by being used as shield ships for more important and costly ships.
Now if I remember correctly, Riker & Co. have never lost a single war game against the Enterprise, so I can only imagine the mothball crew at Starfleet going through all the stored ships each year saying "Which one should we give to Riker to command this year?" "Look at this old Constitution Class, USS Salem! La Forge would have a field day just trying to get the impulse engines to work!" "Nah, Riker already took down the Enterprise, the Yamato, and the Bismarck using one of those a couple years ago, and that Constitution Class was in her original configuration, too. How about this one, the Columbia? It's an NX Class. The warp drive still works but these puppies could only reach Warp 5 when they were new." "Please. As long as Riker has Lt. La Forge and Commander Worf by his side, the Enterprise wouldn't stand a chance, even against a ship with such a hilariously outdated warp drive. Ooo, here's a good one, USS Hathaway! A Constellation Class. I heard Captain Picard commanded one of these early in his career. The warp drive works, but I think this one's dry on anti matter, and most of the dilithium crystals are gone save for a few pieces. Other than that, she's still space worthy." "Perfect! If Riker and his crew want a real challenge this year, then let's give them a ship Picard knows better than anyone else in Starfleet and see them survive this time!"
Seeing the interior of the bridge, I can easily visualize the original Hathaway captain and his/her crew wearing the Star Trek II-VI red militaristic uniforms back in the day when this ship was in service.
@@Shadowkey392 they tried, yes. Antimatter is extremely powerful and dangerous. Is it reasonable that a student happens to have unregistered and unrestricted access to it?
@@Sage2000 the containment and access in 2364 was pretty much a routine thing by then. Similar to us having a shotgun round. Only dangerous if one was being extremely stupid.
@@ghostrider-be9ek well, I disagree in both accounts: 1- having antimatter is a good analogy for radioactive materials, extremely dangerous and could just explode in a containment failure. 2- having guns and bullets in a family is dangerous indeed as statistics show.
"We haven't got a prayer." "Would you like to transfer back to the Enterprise, Mr. Crusher?" "No, Sir! It's an honor to die by your side! Let's see if we can rig this thing to blow big enough to take the Enterprise with us."
@@reginaldshort8486 Worf: "perhaps today IS a good day to die! PREPARE FOR RAMMING SPEED!" Riker: "Belay that order, mr. worf. what's wrong with you!? this is a training exercise, not an invitation to sto'vo'khor!!!" Worf: >=( "oh all right. Humans are so...hesitant."
Geordi: "Captain riker, I'm going to need to transfer back to the enterprise to borrow my "dr Brahms" hologram to help me fix the hathaway. also i'm feeling aroused again." Riker: "jfc geordi....not again with this crap."
1:34 Weapon Control 0900 - "We're screwed." 1000 - "We're screwed." 1100 - "We're screwed." 1200 - "Dear God! Why is it on fire?!?" 1300 - "We're screwed, and down two people."
@@tjwparso Me either but I have this one recorded on VHS and watched it about 2 months ago and pointed out to my son when the name flashed after the intro.
Great clip. Always love to see a good power up sequence Though apparently a couple people in the comment section can't infer information from incomplete data. It's pretty obvious that the ship was towed into position for the exercise and not just left drifting there. We see mothball, storage, and scrapyards elsewhere in the series so they probably just grabbed the decommissioned _Hathaway_ from one of those. And they brought the ship there because it's implied to be out of the way so there shouldn't have been any interference during the test. You can apply the same logic to other ships we see where they don't explicitly call for a tow, salvage (1), etc since we do see those operations elsewhere and including that information could mess with the flow of the story. (1) e.g. We see the D's saucer in the process of being broken up in Generations, so it can be inferred that Starfleet or a contractor removed all the debris they could find and probably did some work to cover up the crash site.
I was surprised as a ship as old as the Hathaway is I'm surprised most of it's systems were still working even without antimatter and only dilithium fragments in the warp core.
Probably residual power in the systems. Even nowadays transformers can hold enough to charge a system for a few seconds. It wouldn't surprise me if power was buffered through a battery or transformer so what we see is the buffer draining while the system thinks about topping it up.
@@julianmhall There are two sources of power in Federation starships: the warp core (matter/antimatter reactor assembly) and the fusion reactors that service the impulse drives. I always surmised that the latter were being brought online to power primary ship systems.
This reminds me of when the navy did exercises where an old, loud, diesel sub went up against modern, quiet, nuclear fleet and won. Which is what Down Periscope was based on, despite that being a comedy.
I get the sense, when she was put together, they just put everything wherever. "Eh. Who cares? Just put a console over there. Why not? As long as it works. That thing? Yeah, okay. Right over there. It's upside down? Doesn't matter. It's space. Look, coffee machine? Now it's a power convoiter. Put it over there. Come on. We got six more of these ships to retrofit an' I ain't in the mood for semantics. Okay, that's good. Like a piece of art. Nah, just leave the tools. Okay, who's for lunch?"
Anyone else find it strange that Starfleet just leaves derelict and/or decommissioned ships orbiting planets or basically left intact on a planet(as in Generations). Why are they left so anyone can come and use them again instead of destroyed?
I suppose they could still use them one day if required, or maybe they had to abandon it in a rush and sending another ship was just low priority, or the Enterprise was there to take to planet/space station and used the opportunity to do this
The Enterprise D was salvaged off the surface. Its a process of weeks not something the crew would hang around for. More like Star Fleet Corps of Engineers. You will want cargo tugs. Repairing it to fly under antigravs from its own power or towed back up. If the shape and size prevent it. Cut it up 1st. Either way will take a while. As for the Hathaway, the ship I assume is parked in a ship yard. By the looks of her she was being stripped for compatible parts.
You know how we have started sinking decommissioned warships to encourage coral wreath growth along the coast? I wish it was like that. They would lay out an old Miranda class along on a cliffside for talarian hook spiders to nest in, that sort of thing.
@@miketemple876 nice thought, but a lot of people in the federation means a lot of jobs need creating to keep people occupied, people working to retrieve old ships and people running ship yards retrieving scrap material, that seams more likely to me
Most likely the Hathaway was towed from whichever planetary orbital depot she was mothballed at to Braslota II for this wargamme exercise. I would doubt she was just parked there and left derelict for years in an uninhabited system.
Star trek used to and still does have some amazing actresses that are also amazing looking can't say the same for modern-day star wars, lol. Phasma, Rey and Holdo just don't do it for me lol
@@homiedclown Indeed those Nacelles use designs inspired by the post tmp consitution class if im not mistaken? all Constellation class ships including the USS Hathaway use 2 pairs of the connies nacelles which have been retrofitted to 24th century standards.
Riker: "Nice job, Jordi. Now, what the possibilities for warp drive?" Jordi: "I do not know captain, I will be back to you, after I eat this pizza I just cooked"
The only ships of this class at the time in the 23 and 24th century at the time were those of the Constellation, which, as destroyers. Were technically more sophisticated and advanced than those of the refit-constitution, excelsior or the miranda class starships.
Indeed shich I bet Starfleet at the time of the 24th century actualy thought that Constellation classes were actualy so relaible they bought those post tmp refit ships out of retirement and bought them up to 24th century specs.
I mean, you'd expect the only constellation class ships in service at the time to indeed be constellation class. It doesn't really make sense for them to be any other class.
Just saw a review of this episode yesterday by Newbie Star Trek, and they seem to agree with my that the headcanon of this ship is the USS Anne Hathaway.
1:25, Wesley's grin at Riker's announcement. I don't know if it was scripted or not (it was in the unfocused part of the picture and probably not destined to appear anyway so probably not written as such) but it is still well in character.
“Geordi, just remember not to leave your hasperat in the microwave too long this time. We don’t want a repeat of the Beta Caranis IV Incident.” “Commander, I _said_ I was sorry for that.” “‘Sorry’ doesn’t get that stain out of their ambassador’s favourite shirt, Lieutenant.”
While it's a cool episode, they could have just linked two holodecks and ran simulations for the bridge crew (and engineering crews later) against each other and save the effort to repair a clearly derelict ship.
Two birds with on stone I guess, best case scenario they complete their game and that old ship is almost fully operational, they could have been tasked with sending it for repairs when they're done maybe
They could and, back at Starfleet Academy, they probably did. But hey, we've got this old junker just laying around and a few days for some fun... Why not...? :)
I wonder if people didn't make fun of Wil Wheaton as much as they did, would he have been able to pull off more amazing performances like he did in "Stand By Me?"
The difference was the writing. Wheaton is a perfectly good actor, but an actor can be limited by the material they get, and what Wheaton got was very limited. Among fandom there was a lot of criticism about _Wesley_ but not nearly as much directed at _Wil_ at the time. The general consensus was bemoaning the fact that the fine actor from _Stand By Me_ was getting wasted with such a crappy part. As demonstrated later by Jake Sisko and Nog, fans didn't have a problem with a kid being part of the main cast, they had a problem with a kid who was written poorly.
They might have decommissioned the hathaway but have not gone through her to remove parts to fix older ships we do that is the US Navy still particularly with ticonderoga class cruisers.
Ah, that pride with which Riker goes into this ship and sits in this chair. I know the IRL reason was to keep the cast together, but in-universe, Riker would have accepted his own command in an instant and it makes no sense that he kept denying promotions.
He enjoys being on the Enterprise and with the crew instead of a bunch of strangers. It's hard to leave a place where you're comfortable, even if someone is always trying to take over the ship. So I understand it happening once or twice, but I think there was a time where Starfleet actually needs captains, and then it would have made more in character for him to become a captain.
@@sarahberkner I mean....consider that everyone on the Enterprise was a stranger to Riker when he first came on board in Season 1 Episode 1. If he had had his own command, surely he would have become friends with his new crew too, maybe even hand-picking some people he knew from the past.
Riker: "Geordi, what about the warp drive?" " I don't know Commander - it looks pretty bad...I'm looking and apparently someone tried to microwave a shot glass of Everclear...along with that burnt blunt we found on the console, that pretty much tells the story."
Hm...that bridge looks a bit like my room currently - but then again: I am in the process of moving to a new place, so of course there's stuff all over the place...the detritus of several years living here ;)
I feel like every episode of TNG that had Wesley would have been significantly better if it had at least one "Shut Up Wesley" in it. Just like they did with South Park for years "oh my god, they killed Kenny"
With all the "re-fits" the old Enterprise got, it's hard to believe there's just a surplus of "old" ships in the bone-yards, with nothing better to do. Still... knowing how much restoring a muscle car can run, I guess rebuilding a starship might get a smidgeon "pricey!"
Don't forget that the Enterprise was the Federation flagship. So it would be higher up the priority list for refits. Likewise, ships like the Hathaway could skip a few refits due to being further down the list. I wouldn't be surprised if she took part in the war against the Dominion. With USS Defiant grade weapons and shields.
"But sir! We just found a dried-out, half-eaten chicken salad sandwich in the warp core!" "What type of bread, Mr. Crusher?" "Looks to be wheat-nut, sir. Oh, um ..." "Correct! That's your RATION the next two days, Wesley, if you don't stop whining."
I would love to see this episode with this cast on the TV series Star Trek Discovery back in the TV series sliders same Earth but Different Dimensions parallel worlds
Improvise, infiltrate, overcome, win. Picard and Kirk knew when the rules needed to be treated as "suggestions" and when to follow them strictly. Wes bluffed his way back into "enemy" territory, secured a critical component without them knowing, and exfiltrated the enemy camp. That is not cheating, that is finding a way to win.
Worf is perfectly written in his scene. He is dying to be Riker's number one, but his honor won't allow him to jump over Geordi and so he defers. His brief enthusiasm sells his sacrifice and his sense of honor. When he gets the position anyway, it makes it so much better.
I loved his scene with Riker coming to Worf's quarters to ask him to join Riker, telling Worf all the downsides, and asking what's left:
"Guile."
"Join me!"
"The honor is to serve!"
Plus Worf finally got a chair!
I think its awesome and i never realized it till now but the Tactical station is directly next to the Captains chair. i think thats a great idea. Anyone else agree????
@@mikeshriver4282 Designed that way for storytelling purposes for this particular episode or a reflection of more conflicts back when the ship came into service?
@@wcarnold yeah I knew it came out roughly around during the time of the Klingon war but yeah that does make sense that it was there because Starfleet was having to constantly handle the Klingons
"Commander, this looks familiar to me..."
"Yes, Worf - it's the Battle Bridge set"
As well as the bridge from Treks 1-5, USS Lantree bridge and Enterprise-C.
And the Stargazer
The price of the huge yet still limited budget for a TV series at that time...
@@Ferdish3 they call it "the budget bridge"
@@Ferdish3 but realistically it would also make sense to have the same bridge layout and design for as many ships as possible so you can just move officers around without retraining them.
I really like how Riker asserts his command to Wesley making it clear he's not to be second guessed, but also recognizes that he's a kid and gives him a little encouragement.
What Wesley should've said was, "Yeah, get me off this broken down POS."
Wesley should have been punished.
@@jonathandoelander6130 Throw him in the brig for insubordination!
The fact that Captain Jellico didn’t do that is one of his biggest failings.
@@Brees1986 Wes wasn't on the Enterprise in Season 6 ("Chain of Command," the two-parter in that season, was Jellico's only appearance in the series). Wes was still at the Academy.
His actions in "Journey's End" the following season, screwing things up for Starfleet with the Native American colonists, most DEFINITELY warrant, and draw, a reprimand, more or less ending his Starfleet career - but he has much bigger explorations ahead with the extra-dimensional being The Traveler.
Hourly progress reports - What have you been doing for the last hour? "Filling out another progress report, sir"
*Agile has entered the chat*
I've always loved the computer interfaces and general structural designs on this era of Federation ships. It's too bad they never did a show on one of them.
This is the kind of ship that ST: Lower Decks should have been done on.
TMP also has a lot of really nice looking ships, videogame and fan designs included since there isn't much officially.
Starfleet Command's Akula class might just be the only saucer + 1 nacelle each on top/bottom ship that actually looks good.
I would watch the shit out of a "Star Trek: The Lost Era" television series
@@Armageddon2077 YES PLS we need this.
Fuckit set it on the hathaway herself.
Show why they picked this old girl in a simulation that is supposed to approximate vs the Borg.
Show that in her heyday with the right commander she could absolutely Sing.
" Down Periscope " Star Trek Edition...
Do we have a more modern reference? I'm looking for something in the last 20 years.
K-19 The Widowmaker. 2002. 😆
Louie Louie, oh no
Me gotta go
Aye-yi-yi-yi, I said
Louie Louie, oh baby
Me gotta go!
Good analogy
I wonder If Riker have tattoo of
Starship on his........
Those shots of the Hathaway's systems coming back online at 2:13 are one of my favorite memories of the show. they always knew how to make you fall in love with the starships as well as the crews
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We finally get to see a constellation class engine room.
Starfleet is a bit reckless to abandon a (mostly) functional starship to drift in a random system. Even though the Constellation class isn't a large or powerful vessel, it still seems like the kind of thing you wouldn't want pirates or mercenaries getting their hands on.
I've always wondered how many merc outfits there are in the Trek universe using retired or abandoned Starfleet (or Klingon Defense Force) starships that they've "acquired" and pieced back together. Both organizations seem rather...lackadaisical about the disposal of their old ships.
I suspect the Romulan Star Empire is a bit more careful about their old gear. :-D
A lot of the script writing in those first two seasons just made no sense at all.
Maybe she was towed from a retirement yard to that system by a smaller ship and left for enterprise to fix up.
@@mattwho81 that’s a really good point.
I agree with @@mattwho81, that does seem like a more reasonable situation.
The reason Co RIKER is leaning in his chair is because in reality the man hurt his back some time before trying for the part on star trek. He was helping to move someone and hurt his back. Ever since rhen he leans in his seat. Also props up his leg onbrocks and other objects to help with the pain.
_'[...] a job moving furniture.'_
You can see the eeeever so slight wince of pain too in earlier scenes. You don't see it as much later if I recall right.
That's why he does the leg sling to sit down too
I've seen the reason for the Riker lean/manuever many times, but this is the first time someone mentioned it was because he was moving something, sounds like maybe he lifted with his back instead of his legs which you're not supposed to do.
I noticed something interesting at 1:22; the crewman in the back reacts to Riker saying "This is your captain." Looked like the smile of a crewman who knows Riker and is happy to hear that from him. If that was the case, seems like a really good attention to detail from a background extra.
That crewman in the back was Wesley Crusher.
And that crewman's name? Barack Obama.
i noticed that even as a child on tv. That was the first moment i got a feeling for how Riker was perceived by the crew, or how his character is laid out.
That scene has Westley standing in 2 different locations at once , he is seen on the left where the girl pulls the cover off the consol and behind Ryker with Jordie without showing him walking from place to place.
Yeah, but imagine being a lowly ensign, and having the Ships XO shoulder tap you and be "Yo, you joining me on the Hathaway?" Gotta be a nice feeeling.
"Should we tell the captain that the intercom does not work yet?" Nah lets let him have this one.
Cuz Riker would have gimmicked up a bullhorn and walked the corridors!
as if there was anyone there to hear it lol
I've always found the way Riker sat in chairs like the one on the Hathaway bridge and on the Klingon ship to be super awkward, and it was years after watching the show on TV when I learned about Frakes' chronic back problems. He has to mount chairs and sit like this because otherwise he's in excruciating pain. And he's such a fantastic theater actor, your brain only registers the weird things he does with chairs for a fraction of a second.
Kinda looks like he's instinctively considering swinging his leg over the arm to sit for a moment, then decides against it
it's the good episodes where the crew are allowed to shine.
I like how firm Riker is with Westley at the end and then once his point is made, goes back and explains, without being condescending, as to what the true point of the exercise is as to boost his morale and to get him back in the game like a good coach would do during a football game with his team
IE how one would deal with bad circumstances to overcome a challenge where you feel that you've been delt a bad hand with no way to win, where one would be tempted to surrender and give up just to get it over with.
exactly the kind of thing one might be tempted to do with the borg, like how do you get an 80 year old ship to beat a ship like the enterprise?
well outside of crash into its nacelle slightly, as maybe that's why when they did the TMP movies the engines were always off unless they were at warp lol
WoW! TNG lets Worf sit while working!
Hourly progress reports from all stations.
You're gonna spend more time reading them than working.
They're gonna spend more time writing them than working.
Just trust your dudes, Riker. They'll tell you if they got a problem.
Seems like most companys today. Not meeting our goals ? Let puts more meetings in the schedule en delay work even more so even less gets done but we wil compensate with more meetings ofcourse
Riker needs to know the status of the ship as they examine/repair it so he can determine what he thinks the essentials that need to get up and running are.
i doubt it would take any longer than a few seconds to look at something, determine it needs to be fixed, maybe estimate how long it would take to fix it, and note that down and move on to the next thing to look at.
as for repairs, simply noting down "repaired X" probably wouldnt take more than a few seconds either.
as for Riker, its _mostly_ going to be the only thing he is doing anyway at that point in time, he is the Captain after all and he has no reason to give out many if any commands at all right now, he needs to know this information so he can determine what needs to be repaired and in what order.
in context of the episode, it is vital they make these repairs in a systematic and highly organized way because there are tons of things on the ship they shouldnt even bother with fixing but what should be bothered to be fixed ultimately should be up to Riker and his senior staff (in this case that's basically only Geordi, Worf definitely doesnt have the experience to make a judgement call like that in this situation, the only thing he can really do is advocate for the importance of getting tactical stations and systems up and running)
In this context, I figured the reports were meant to be less full written reports and more short condensed messages or even verbal messages.
@@DoctorCVC Oh, okay.
"Sensors, your hourly report."
"Shit's still fucked, Captain. Working on it."
"Shields, what you got?"
"Yeah, the whole array is just... not here. There's nothing to fix and nothing to replace it with. We're not gonna have any shields. Reassign us somewhere else."
@@williambarnes5023 Lol, pretty much
To them that's like one of us getting a model-t Ford and trying to make it go
Against a Trans Am!
I would say more like a Chevy Corvair. The NX Class would be the model T of space. The Hathaway is still 2 generations down the road from a NX class.
We look for things. Things to make it go.
Saw one driving last weekend. Uncle owned one. They are unique to drive but if you understand it, you can drive it fine.
It's the Star Trek version of Vice Grip Garage lol.
The set is priceless. I love the old circuit board next to riker that looks like it's from a pentium III PC from the 90s
And how Geordi turns the lights on with a single button. I mean they didicated a button on their limited screen to the lights. How does the crew not turn all the lights out in engineering more often "shit sorry guys that was me...now which button was it again to turn the lights back on... Oh wait, that's the one that toggles the warp core on and off..."
All I can think of is Rick and Morty when Morty click the wrong switch th-cam.com/video/4U4iqaDJdZI/w-d-xo.html
@@tjwparso haha love Rick and morty.
@@lex4089 I still haven't watched lower decks but I like to imagine that's what it is...
*clicks the warp button... "um, captain, we had people outside working on the ship" CUT TO funeral for the unnamed workers
@@tjwparso not come across lower decks. Just watched the trailer though and it looks good!
@@tjwparso Nah, Lower Decks isn't that grim, they don't kill real Crewmen just for one joke. But there is some blood spilled on the Holodeck because an assistance program hasn't been properly debugged. This requires some, lets say creative thinking from the crew =)
"I hereby rename this ship the USS Lollipop"
Paul Rice would be jealous of her.
its a good ship
"I want hourly progress reports"
So, either one word reports, or no work at all getting done and just constant progress reports.
"Hows it going in engineering?"
"Engineering here.... shit... fuck.... god damnit"
"Very good engineering.... very good."
Eh. They'll just set it to auto update the bridge with a level 5 diagnostic every hour.
"I'll show you a progress report!" Having to give hourly progress reports would annoy me, like, I'll let you know when I need something and I'll give an update when something actually noteworthy happens, until then let me work.
I used to have a team lead who was like that. At least three or four times a day, he'd message me just to ask what I was working on and what my progress had been since the last time we spoke. Absolutely drove me nuts, because I'd be in the middle of doing work and then need to stop so I could satisfy his need to micromanage. It constantly interrupted my flow.
I'm sure in Star Trek they just have a ship computer and the progress reports automatically though. I certainly hope they don't have to write those reports manually...
Whats even worse is in star trek cannon this ship was fully recommissioned for active service after this…..sucks to be them.
I mean, presumably it was towed into a proper shipyard for an actual repair job....If not flown directly there since Geordi got the engines running.
If the Hathaway was fully recommissioned, it must be assumed she has up-to-date shields, weapons, a Warp 9 engine, and 24th century ship amenities like a holodeck.
@@MoniqueFromPlymouth they apparently were being used for search and rescue and other secondary roles. in the Dominion War they would have been retired by being used as shield ships for more important and costly ships.
It's an old ship but it doesn't use cannons
Now if I remember correctly, Riker & Co. have never lost a single war game against the Enterprise, so I can only imagine the mothball crew at Starfleet going through all the stored ships each year saying "Which one should we give to Riker to command this year?"
"Look at this old Constitution Class, USS Salem! La Forge would have a field day just trying to get the impulse engines to work!"
"Nah, Riker already took down the Enterprise, the Yamato, and the Bismarck using one of those a couple years ago, and that Constitution Class was in her original configuration, too. How about this one, the Columbia? It's an NX Class. The warp drive still works but these puppies could only reach Warp 5 when they were new."
"Please. As long as Riker has Lt. La Forge and Commander Worf by his side, the Enterprise wouldn't stand a chance, even against a ship with such a hilariously outdated warp drive. Ooo, here's a good one, USS Hathaway! A Constellation Class. I heard Captain Picard commanded one of these early in his career. The warp drive works, but I think this one's dry on anti matter, and most of the dilithium crystals are gone save for a few pieces. Other than that, she's still space worthy."
"Perfect! If Riker and his crew want a real challenge this year, then let's give them a ship Picard knows better than anyone else in Starfleet and see them survive this time!"
I love this headcanon.
Seeing the interior of the bridge, I can easily visualize the original Hathaway captain and his/her crew wearing the Star Trek II-VI red militaristic uniforms back in the day when this ship was in service.
hearing the old radio sound really takes me back. Same thing in the DS9 TOS time travel tribble episode.
Named after Jane Hathaway on Beverly Hillbillies. Even has a cement pond !
One of the few times Riker sits like a human being...instead of a Chad.
Back problems IRL. Why he leaned a lot.
@@Ozzy_2014 I know. He also kind of decided it was just part of his character after a while.
He had to wait for Geordi to remove the arms.
Well... the height of the captains chair was too much for even his tall legs...
How DARE YOU.
Excellent episode, except for one detail: the Wesley magically having antimatter. Cmon!
They explained that. He was doing a science experiment involving it.
@@Shadowkey392 they tried, yes. Antimatter is extremely powerful and dangerous. Is it reasonable that a student happens to have unregistered and unrestricted access to it?
@@Sage2000 when that student is also a pseudo member of Starfleet already...sure
@@Sage2000 the containment and access in 2364 was pretty much a routine thing by then. Similar to us having a shotgun round. Only dangerous if one was being extremely stupid.
@@ghostrider-be9ek well, I disagree in both accounts: 1- having antimatter is a good analogy for radioactive materials, extremely dangerous and could just explode in a containment failure. 2- having guns and bullets in a family is dangerous indeed as statistics show.
"We haven't got a prayer."
"Would you like to transfer back to the Enterprise, Mr. Crusher?"
"No, Sir! It's an honor to die by your side! Let's see if we can rig this thing to blow big enough to take the Enterprise with us."
WORF: That’s the spirit.
@@reginaldshort8486 Worf: "perhaps today IS a good day to die! PREPARE FOR RAMMING SPEED!"
Riker: "Belay that order, mr. worf. what's wrong with you!? this is a training exercise, not an invitation to sto'vo'khor!!!"
Worf: >=( "oh all right. Humans are so...hesitant."
@@hobomike6935 Worf was so badass he deserved his own show and ship.
Ah, yes, the USS Anne Hathaway.
USS Anne Hathaway is my wife
Riker: What do you think?
Geordi: We're screwed, Sir.
Wesley: I agree.
Riker: Shut up, Wesley.
Geordi: "Captain riker, I'm going to need to transfer back to the enterprise to borrow my "dr Brahms" hologram to help me fix the hathaway. also i'm feeling aroused again."
Riker: "jfc geordi....not again with this crap."
Poor Wesley, everyone loves that time when Picard told him to shut up but he had been completely right.
1:34 Weapon Control
0900 - "We're screwed."
1000 - "We're screwed."
1100 - "We're screwed."
1200 - "Dear God! Why is it on fire?!?"
1300 - "We're screwed, and down two people."
As I recall this episode was originally titled "War Games".
if so, I'm not sure when it would have been changed
@@tjwparso Me either but I have this one recorded on VHS and watched it about 2 months ago and pointed out to my son when the name flashed after the intro.
@@wdbldr67 *neither
@@ThanatoselNyx get a life
@@cincinatus90
TIL helping out another person means I need to get a life.
No thanks mine is already great, hope you find one for yourself.
The ship may be old, but she Hath a way about her...hathn't she.
I wonder if she was named for Mr Drysdale’s secretary
GROANS (hits like button anyway)
You hath made me laugh very much good sir
Great clip. Always love to see a good power up sequence
Though apparently a couple people in the comment section can't infer information from incomplete data.
It's pretty obvious that the ship was towed into position for the exercise and not just left drifting there. We see mothball, storage, and scrapyards elsewhere in the series so they probably just grabbed the decommissioned _Hathaway_ from one of those.
And they brought the ship there because it's implied to be out of the way so there shouldn't have been any interference during the test.
You can apply the same logic to other ships we see where they don't explicitly call for a tow, salvage (1), etc since we do see those operations elsewhere and including that information could mess with the flow of the story.
(1) e.g. We see the D's saucer in the process of being broken up in Generations, so it can be inferred that Starfleet or a contractor removed all the debris they could find and probably did some work to cover up the crash site.
I was surprised as a ship as old as the Hathaway is I'm surprised most of it's systems were still working even without antimatter and only dilithium fragments in the warp core.
Apparently they don't have planned obsolescence in the future.
Probably residual power in the systems. Even nowadays transformers can hold enough to charge a system for a few seconds. It wouldn't surprise me if power was buffered through a battery or transformer so what we see is the buffer draining while the system thinks about topping it up.
@@julianmhall There are two sources of power in Federation starships: the warp core (matter/antimatter reactor assembly) and the fusion reactors that service the impulse drives. I always surmised that the latter were being brought online to power primary ship systems.
This reminds me of when the navy did exercises where an old, loud, diesel sub went up against modern, quiet, nuclear fleet and won.
Which is what Down Periscope was based on, despite that being a comedy.
Wesley: "We haven't got a prayer."
Riker: "Shut up, Wesley."
2:25 The reaction chamber door is apparently held on with straight pins and a little vacuum pressure.
Good clips on your channel. From a show that is pure gold til this day.
1:17 nice use of the old star Trek comm sound effect there
"and for at least 800 years Riker would not k ow the pleasure of the captains chair!"
LMFAO!
I need to rewatch this episode
Geordi opens the crystal chamber, "Not good Commander. We have these fragments, and what looks like an over done cake in here."
"Would you like to transfer back to the Enterprise, ACTING Ensign Crusher?"
Riker..."Geordi, don't worry about Warp drive.....just get me a working holodeck".
I get the sense, when she was put together, they just put everything wherever. "Eh. Who cares? Just put a console over there. Why not? As long as it works. That thing? Yeah, okay. Right over there. It's upside down? Doesn't matter. It's space. Look, coffee machine? Now it's a power convoiter. Put it over there. Come on. We got six more of these ships to retrofit an' I ain't in the mood for semantics. Okay, that's good. Like a piece of art. Nah, just leave the tools. Okay, who's for lunch?"
2:05 That has to be the Defiant Engineering set.
This ship is every trainees wet dream.
Anyone else find it strange that Starfleet just leaves derelict and/or decommissioned ships orbiting planets or basically left intact on a planet(as in Generations). Why are they left so anyone can come and use them again instead of destroyed?
I suppose they could still use them one day if required, or maybe they had to abandon it in a rush and sending another ship was just low priority, or the Enterprise was there to take to planet/space station and used the opportunity to do this
The Enterprise D was salvaged off the surface. Its a process of weeks not something the crew would hang around for. More like Star Fleet Corps of Engineers. You will want cargo tugs. Repairing it to fly under antigravs from its own power or towed back up. If the shape and size prevent it. Cut it up 1st. Either way will take a while. As for the Hathaway, the ship I assume is parked in a ship yard. By the looks of her she was being stripped for compatible parts.
You know how we have started sinking decommissioned warships to encourage coral wreath growth along the coast? I wish it was like that. They would lay out an old Miranda class along on a cliffside for talarian hook spiders to nest in, that sort of thing.
@@miketemple876 nice thought, but a lot of people in the federation means a lot of jobs need creating to keep people occupied, people working to retrieve old ships and people running ship yards retrieving scrap material, that seams more likely to me
Most likely the Hathaway was towed from whichever planetary orbital depot she was mothballed at to Braslota II for this wargamme exercise. I would doubt she was just parked there and left derelict for years in an uninhabited system.
What is love? Baby don't hurt me, don't hurt me no more!
Everytime I click on one of these videos I end up watching the whole Episode.
That blonde crewman !!! 😍😍😍
Star trek used to and still does have some amazing actresses that are also amazing looking
can't say the same for modern-day star wars, lol. Phasma, Rey and Holdo just don't do it for me lol
Cue Riker and Wesley bending the ROE just a touch :)
I'm waiting for the USS Anne Hathaway
something something, ample nacelles.
I'd love to take a ride on it.
@@homiedclown Indeed those Nacelles use designs inspired by the post tmp consitution class if im not mistaken? all Constellation class ships including the USS Hathaway use 2 pairs of the connies nacelles which have been retrofitted to 24th century standards.
Anyone else coming back to watch old clips after the Picard finale?
Riker: "Nice job, Jordi. Now, what the possibilities for warp drive?"
Jordi: "I do not know captain, I will be back to you, after I eat this pizza I just cooked"
*echoing* "Shut up, Wesley..."
The only ships of this class at the time in the 23 and 24th century at the time were those of the Constellation, which, as destroyers. Were technically more sophisticated and advanced than those of the refit-constitution, excelsior or the miranda class starships.
Indeed shich I bet Starfleet at the time of the 24th century actualy thought that Constellation classes were actualy so relaible they bought those post tmp refit ships out of retirement and bought them up to 24th century specs.
I mean, you'd expect the only constellation class ships in service at the time to indeed be constellation class. It doesn't really make sense for them to be any other class.
That TOS bridge sound is lovely at 1:17
Dang - it was (is) an excellent challenge and everyone is contributing... nice episode...
So I be worried you can power up a warp drive that had its inspection hatch open a few second ago with a few button presses?
probably sealed with magnetic interlocks that had to be released
It's not the warp drive but the auxiliary power that comes on.
Looks like Worf is first officer of a derelict tv repair shop.
1:17 that whistle is q good ringtones for messengers.
Just saw a review of this episode yesterday by Newbie Star Trek, and they seem to agree with my that the headcanon of this ship is the USS Anne Hathaway.
Hourly progress reports?
What is this guy, a software development project manager?
Tonight on Starship Makeovers.
If only that was a real thing, hahaha
Wesley improvised and helped Capt. Riker win the simulation.
Jeez, even Picard's Stargazer was in better shape and that ship was on fire.
1:25, Wesley's grin at Riker's announcement. I don't know if it was scripted or not (it was in the unfocused part of the picture and probably not destined to appear anyway so probably not written as such) but it is still well in character.
“Where do I find it?”
Word: “Anywhere!”
“Geordi, just remember not to leave your hasperat in the microwave too long this time. We don’t want a repeat of the Beta Caranis IV Incident.”
“Commander, I _said_ I was sorry for that.”
“‘Sorry’ doesn’t get that stain out of their ambassador’s favourite shirt, Lieutenant.”
While it's a cool episode, they could have just linked two holodecks and ran simulations for the bridge crew (and engineering crews later) against each other and save the effort to repair a clearly derelict ship.
Two birds with on stone I guess, best case scenario they complete their game and that old ship is almost fully operational, they could have been tasked with sending it for repairs when they're done maybe
Good practice in refurbishing an old ship and like Riker said, Improvising.
They could and, back at Starfleet Academy, they probably did. But hey, we've got this old junker just laying around and a few days for some fun...
Why not...? :)
Doing exercises like this is how Starfleet engineers can turn rocks into replicators.
@@0utc4st1985 And shows how good the team Riker picked is.
Fuck this was a good episode
I love these, as they're all br versions.
0:35 I wonder if that was considered for the 'Worf gets denied' video.
I thought the same thing. Even when it's just an opinion, he is still told that he is wrong!
First time Mr Worf has a seat but it still not on the Enterprise.
Thank you for the Great video
I wonder if people didn't make fun of Wil Wheaton as much as they did, would he have been able to pull off more amazing performances like he did in "Stand By Me?"
The difference was the writing. Wheaton is a perfectly good actor, but an actor can be limited by the material they get, and what Wheaton got was very limited. Among fandom there was a lot of criticism about _Wesley_ but not nearly as much directed at _Wil_ at the time. The general consensus was bemoaning the fact that the fine actor from _Stand By Me_ was getting wasted with such a crappy part. As demonstrated later by Jake Sisko and Nog, fans didn't have a problem with a kid being part of the main cast, they had a problem with a kid who was written poorly.
They might have decommissioned the hathaway but have not gone through her to remove parts to fix older ships we do that is the US Navy still particularly with ticonderoga class cruisers.
Ah, that pride with which Riker goes into this ship and sits in this chair.
I know the IRL reason was to keep the cast together, but in-universe, Riker would have accepted his own command in an instant and it makes no sense that he kept denying promotions.
"Remember, enterprise: _Captain Riker's_ NEVER lost!"
one of my favorite lines in the season lol
He enjoys being on the Enterprise and with the crew instead of a bunch of strangers. It's hard to leave a place where you're comfortable, even if someone is always trying to take over the ship. So I understand it happening once or twice, but I think there was a time where Starfleet actually needs captains, and then it would have made more in character for him to become a captain.
@@sarahberkner I mean....consider that everyone on the Enterprise was a stranger to Riker when he first came on board in Season 1 Episode 1. If he had had his own command, surely he would have become friends with his new crew too, maybe even hand-picking some people he knew from the past.
Riker: "Geordi, what about the warp drive?"
" I don't know Commander - it looks pretty bad...I'm looking and apparently someone tried to microwave a shot glass of Everclear...along with that burnt blunt we found on the console, that pretty much tells the story."
0:34
I think Worf programmed the ship in "The Chronicles of Riddick"
"Angle of approach. . . . . Not good"
2:48 - "shut up Wes!"
Hm...that bridge looks a bit like my room currently - but then again: I am in the process of moving to a new place, so of course there's stuff all over the place...the detritus of several years living here ;)
Wesley should be the next captain of the starship enterprise
Riker: Kann ich jetzt auch mal Captain sein?
It's too bad the bridge set couldn't be reverted back to the Stargazer configuration from season 1...
So I assume that was Riker's version of "Shut up, Wesley"?
I feel like every episode of TNG that had Wesley would have been significantly better if it had at least one "Shut Up Wesley" in it.
Just like they did with South Park for years "oh my god, they killed Kenny"
With all the "re-fits" the old Enterprise got, it's hard to believe there's just a surplus of "old" ships in the bone-yards, with nothing better to do. Still... knowing how much restoring a muscle car can run, I guess rebuilding a starship might get a smidgeon "pricey!"
Don't forget that the Enterprise was the Federation flagship. So it would be higher up the priority list for refits. Likewise, ships like the Hathaway could skip a few refits due to being further down the list. I wouldn't be surprised if she took part in the war against the Dominion. With USS Defiant grade weapons and shields.
Looks good
"Hathaway"?
Nickname: Miss Jane
If it weren't for the show's plot armor, young Wesley Crusher would have been proven correct.
Space webs?
"But sir! We just found a dried-out, half-eaten chicken salad sandwich in the warp core!"
"What type of bread, Mr. Crusher?"
"Looks to be wheat-nut, sir. Oh, um ..."
"Correct! That's your RATION the next two days, Wesley, if you don't stop whining."
2:46. “Shut up, Wesley!”
I would love to see this episode with this cast on the TV series Star Trek Discovery back in the TV series sliders same Earth but Different Dimensions parallel worlds
And then Wes cheats.
Improvise, infiltrate, overcome, win.
Picard and Kirk knew when the rules needed to be treated as "suggestions" and when to follow them strictly.
Wes bluffed his way back into "enemy" territory, secured a critical component without them knowing, and exfiltrated the enemy camp.
That is not cheating, that is finding a way to win.
@@MrShadowpanther3 Still cheating. Star Fleet actually respects that, when it works. :)
@@MrShadowpanther3 it was cheating
No such thing as cheating in war, and that's what was being simulated in this exercise.
@@LordZontar Hmm, Captain Kirk. Yes there is cheating in exercises.
USS Hathaway, its dad liked the USS Amuro better.
(I'm joking)
I'd prefer the USS AZNABLE
I understood that reference ;)
"You shot a torpedo at me! Not even my father shot a torpedo at me!"
Funny enough, the name for the exercise was "Lovely Angel".....
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