The 383 STROKER Kit Has Arrived... Does It Fit?!
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We're moving forward on the 383 stroker build and in this week's video we walk through the rough process of clearancing the block for the new rotating assembly!
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I would have measured one from the deck of the block, masked it out and done all cylinders the same, then checked. Continuatity
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Is that a Ford courier
It’s so good to see your dad working with you and vice versa. For those of us who didn’t have that, it sets the standard for what kids deserve.
My dad hated that I wasn’t interested in sports that he liked. So he never supported me in my passion for cars which meant I was alone in a one car garage putting my first engine together. With two 60watt drop lights and the door down to keep the snow out, I built that motor for myself and a little for my dad to show him that I don’t need him. If my dad couldn’t derail my love of cars nobody could. That was a hard but valuable lesson for a 13 year old with a full time job.
I never did one thing with my dad growing up. He was in prison so that definitely affected my childhood. I was a grown man when we met. Needless to say, it wasn't the same.
@@wallebo My dad just ignored me and stayed in the house.
@@wallebo That sucks, I’m sorry that’s how you met him.
@@HappyHarryHardon Thanks for your thoughtful reply. It's fine. Everything works out the way it was supposed to work out. I have no regrets.
😂😂The ketchup bottle/assembly lub fake out is comedy gold, those little touches are why y'all are so entertaining to watch
Yes had me scratching my head , thought it was some new engineering product .
Hienz super assy lube.
All I saw first was Heinz.. then I had to go back to see that did my eyes deceive me 😂😂 Had a laugh, awesome stuff. Love your content, you guys are the best ❤
I have personally seen a ball bearing being reassembled using Masterfoods brand tomato sauce to hold the balls in place. Needs must when the devil drives and all that. Thankfully it was a polymer bearing intended to run in seawater, so we didn't have to find out if tomato sauce is an effective lubricant.
Ah, the good Heinz assembly lube! 😂
you can never discount an older professionals attention to detail. this build is gonna rock
Please do an old school 383 build. I'd love to see that!
Ditto
I built my 383 back in 97 long before kit's and crates were available. Finding the right block casting was key to avoiding alot of headaches. Engines still in my 80 Firebird after all these years and runs great, so yes I would love to see you folks do an old school 383 build. Thank you for the great content guys.
Same same in 97 , the Vortec head was a new thing and u could buyem from GM assembled for 400 a pair , Edelbrock started making a carbed intake so thats the route i took with my 383 , the new powdered metal rods from GM as well , no need to clear the block but the cam was another matter with shaving down the shoulders on 4 rods.
That motor pulled so hard that ever since i've thought doing a 350 is pointless. Now im playing with a 383 crank in a 305 and ported swirl-port heads for my S10 , can it make 400 lbs torque and knock down 20+MPG ? should be interesting !
Huh, '97 was long before kits and crates were available? PAW was offering 377, 383, 385, 388, long blocks, short blocks and rotating assemblies back in the early '80's. Their catalog was about 2 inches thick and covered everything from Chevy 235 straight sixes to Desoto Hemis, to their Godzilla 514 inch Ford 460 stroker kits. There's no less than 9 different crate and kit suppliers in the random issue of Car Craft from the '80's that I just picked out of my pile, the original RHS, racing head service was a pioneer of the crate revolution ten years or more before '97. Super Shops was another mega catalog that offered the same stuff, they just came along later in the decade, I still have all those catalogs, I wish the prices were like that today, lol.
There were 383 kits way before 97 😂
400 crank, 350 block
@@paulmryglod4802 The 400 crank main journals have to be turned down. It's not a drop in.
Kevin Cameron (Cycle World) has impressed me with how floppy "rigid" parts can be at high revs. It's reassuring to see how much clearance you provide.
Link?
@@neodimium Sorry, I don't have a link. I used to read his articles in Cycle World (on paper!) - he's a master at clearly describing the engineering aspects of high performance engine development. I'm pretty sure his work can be found online.
do u have a link, cheers
(min effort possible here ) weird al
I'm glad you mentioned this. I've been looking for material on that very subject 👍
@@robertwest3093 Kevin Cameron is like no other and his descriptions about material behaviors inside high-strung motorcycle engines will bowl you over.
Okay guys, I’m 70 years old, first car 1968 and was a 1957 Chevy followed by 1967 mustang…. We had no computers or gaming systems but we had CARS and boy did we live for them! I heard and read about doing things you guys are doing to engines and dreamed one day…. Lol I think your son is right to let us see old school build as a result! Jus sayin’
Man, you guys' videos really make me miss my Dad. Your "cleaning guy" is so patient, yet knowledgeable, and so humble, and your relationship with him is wonderful to see. I love to see you both problem solving together. Cheers, guys. Keep up these great videos.
You guys have such a pleasant synergy. We need that in this backwards world.
I'm not a mechanic, but I like watching your channel because of the relationship you have with your dad. I too worked with my dad for many years in the electronics business, and over time I saw how his memory started to grow shorter. Eventually his disease overtook him and he wasn't able to remember anything anymore, and eventually passed away a few years ago. I watch your channel and I see my younger days with my dad. Not many people benefit from something their dad has passes down to them. Great work on the block and clearances. I can't wait to see the finished product. God Bless!
Heinz my favorite assembly lube......... really helps the burgers and dogs slide down the gullet, LOL! I bet the rubber no drip air seal really helps with the long thin stringers you get from a lot of assembly lubes.
"I put that sh*t on everything!" 🤣
@@Drmcclung It’s a floor wax AND a dessert topping! 😂
I love you guys. I love you sharing not just your knowledge and the projects you work on, but also your relationship. I miss working on projects with my dad. I hope you don't mind me living vicariously through your vids.
Hope you are able to get some video of the line bore and provide details on why it make a difference. I really enjoy watching this series and hope you do a future series using the 400 crank as well. Great work as always!
I started my working life as a ground engineer in the high end commercial aircraft industry and had inspectors crawling over everything I did, so I appreciate quality workmanship when I see it. These guys are the real deal on that.
Very informative. Always wondered how blocks were clearanced. Nice work.
Cool to see the clearance done. The cleaning guy might just be holding back on his knowledge. Love watching the two of you work together. Always enjoyed father son projects with my dad 😊
A comment under another video pointed out that that man must've forgotten more about engines that many have ever learnt and it stuck with me. Such a powerful saying
I had heard the term “clearance the block” and today, I have the definition. I am long past “the need to know” stage in life but I am learning with every video. Thank you.
383 strokers ive done required a notch milled at bottom center of each cylinder bore and a relief at the pan rail. Summit was carrying a dimpled replacement oil pan.
Thanks for another great video guys. I’ll say it again… I always learn from every video you post and it comes in handy with my ultra slow hemi build. I just want it to be perfect and a great high horse build. I even bring up things I see on your channel that my machinist hasn’t heard and now I’ve got him watching your channel. I think it’s the best channel out there. Truly. Keep it going guys. Can’t wait for the next one.
Also don’t forget when they do the align hone to torque a oil pump on the back cap it will distort the bore .0005
I grew up helping my dad build small blocks. I remember all the work in an old school stroker. Would be great to see you guys do that
Wow. Not a mechanic at all. But I grew up reading racing magazines and had seen the phrase 'bored and stroked' many, many times in print, as well as 'blueprinted.' Of course that was before the internet. In two videos, the two of you have illustrated precisely what they were talking about. Very interesting.
You two make a good team and your videos are exceptionally easy to understand, even for this non-mechanic. Will continue to follow this engine build. Thanks.
Also - your troll game is solid. The Heinz bottle of assembly lube is gonna send the sweaties into a frenzy! Lol.
Lol nah that’s real ketchup 😉
The old block bores looked like someone did a “Sandpaper Hone” … it was a wonder it ran as long as it did
Greetings from Pueblo. Love seeing you and your dad working together. It's a blessing to have that kind of relationship. The ketchup lube and "what?" jokes made me smile. 😊
Shops like this are rare. A truly vast amount of knowledge and skill setting you apart from other shops. I hear horror stories here in the u.k about shops and re-con engines not lasting. I hope you charge accordingly for such a dedicated and honest service 👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼👍🏼
Seeing you guys relieving the lower area of the piston bore is reassuring as turning over 6to7 thousand Rpms especially as time starts to wear on components that should give plenty of clearance and make a hell of a screamer without issues. God love ya both.
i always use silly putty to check crank clearance.
put an 1//8" layer of silly putty over the problem area, rotate the crank past the problem spot nice and slow, and then peel the putty out and check the scraped part for thickness to see the clearance. sometimes shows you something the feeler guage and line of sight cant
I have to echo some others' comments here: it's wonderful to watch and listen to the two of you working together. I was cooking my dinner, and your conversation in my ear was just perfectly relaxing.
06:00 Good suggestion. Cleaning guy happy! 😂👍
great video, making stroker crank fit sbc block is quite a project. one tip for checking cam lobe to con rod clearence is to use nylon tie which is usually .045 thick when rotating assembled shortblock, inserting between moving parts is easier than trying to use feeler gauges i've found. good luck with your project!
Everytime I see one of these videos I’m always thinking “I’m going to watch the next video right now!” Then I see there’s no 383 videos in recommended and realize it was posted 3 hours ago.
Great stuff! I can’t wait for next video!
Iam building a 1996 LT1 383 and this info is Gold.
9:55 witness mark on the bore of the die grinder touching. Was always taught to wait till bits stopped moving before exiting the cut. Like the "it's hot" tip, you only believe it after the first burn.
Old school.. I have seen one of these type builds in years. Go for it!
When I get a fresh block for a stroker, I set up a pair and check clearance and then make a grind on all the bottoms, rough cut if you will then recheck all of them. Most times it is fine but occasionally I have to touch up 1 or 2. It goes much faster than doing 1 or 2 at a time. Great video and thanks for taking the time to do it.
Always use ear plugs, as a 43 year old with bad tinnitus I can tell you its not fun. 20 seconds to put them in
I am the exact same age and have the same condition, however my problem came from riding in old fire trucks with open cabs and the siren inches from my head when I started out in my Fire/EMS career and have had tinnitus since I was 23 and it royally sucks.
Idk what causes it, but if i dont use earplugs at work my ears ring like crazy
Wore ear plugs / over ear ppe, got tinnitus from a window air conditioner ... Plus heavy bass from from my youth.
Fellow tinnitus sufferer. Absolutely wear ear plugs or ear muffs all the time. Even mowing.
Got mine from childhood concussions, have no idea what silence is. Fan, TV, music….are your best friend.
I appreciate all of the time, care and concern you Guys put into these projects! I hope your customers do ... and you can bill for all of those hours. True Craftsmanship!! ✌
I’m digging the hydraulic lift/OSB work bench. Seriously.
New shop still isn’t set up very permanent lol
that looks like some ‘redneck engineering’ , imo
Awesome 😎 video... Love the banter between father and son...Miss my Pops....He knew so much, as does yours...
It's a true custom block mod . now ! Old school is gold school ! Also the fact that us " old guys " still have a full head of hair is 👍✌ !
That is such a pita on a 400 crank I agree. Worth cutting up an old junk rod without piston so you can do both sides of each journal at the same time.
Nice ! I may sound crazy but the clearancing part is fun and relaxing to me , it’s kinda fun to get in there and make room for everything and try to make things look nice.
The Scat stroker Rods make clearancing easier I have found.
Nice to see you two working together.
Having the vaccuum really keeps the chips down.
Nice work guys.👍👍
Take care, Ed.
Another great update on this engine build.
I did this 1 time and the ARP rod bolts will hit the cam if it is a thumper. More grinding!! cool vid thx
I built my 383 in 1989. 400 turned down . 100 with the short 400 rods and 350 pistons.
Broadest torque curve I ever felt in any race engine I built or was a part of building beforehand. Absolutely loved that engine.
Great video brother!
Hello - You guys are GOLD, I was doing things like this in 1961.
Thank You
As someone who lives close enough to maybe be a customer I think dad’s hair is great!
Such a nice touch with the rotary files.....beautiful!!
Looking good guys! Cant wait to see more!
But what about the motor? 😂
I have been an ASE certified mechanic for 23 year. Experience and knowledge makes a professional. The books only gets one so far. Just like your dad talked about. Back in the day, alpt more work was involved to take cranks from other engines and make them fit other blocks. But that's just the way it is, and how it done. And you boys do it right!! Attention to details make the final product. A good product!
I love watching your videos! I usually do the bulk of clearancing on the mill then clean it up with the die grinder. Personally, I like to come back with a 120/220 cartridge roll and clean up all the stress risers and smooth out the casting around the bottom of the bore and the lifter valley and a light polish on the outside faces of the crank, get as much oil returning as possible for high rpm applications. Also, I like to use raised compression height piston so the zero deck leaves 5ish so if it gets rebuilt again switch to std piston still have 5 on the decks to clean up.
Nice work guys I have been doing these for years I use old bearings and have a crank I use and a rod and pistion
Im building a 71 c10 and plan to do this exact thing. Glad you guys are taking the time to make these videos.
You go dad! True Master of old school. Thank you, Aloha
2:17 - It's always eye opening for me to see power tools used to drive in engine bolts. Just shows me how narrow minded training can make you and how times change.
Yes, when I did engines years ago, I used a T bar first, then a torque wrench. The T bar is more sensitive than a power tool, and pretty quick.
It is just for mock up to check rod clearance, probably only 20ft/lb on those nuts. Way faster with a cordless, when it is apart and together 15 times while clearancing. They for sure use a torque wrench when actually assembling.
We still run our 383's every day here in metro Denver and they are very fast. The secret for STREET APPLICATION is 11 to 1 compression with aluminum heads and 91 oct. pump gas.
This is what doesn't work here with our thin air: Big cfm heads, big cams, big carbs. We know as we have tried all those combos. Our 383's actually outrun our 400 smallblocks.
My S10 383 outruns our cammed LS 6.0 S10. Its all about the combination of parts and the application.
Looks to be a good cruiser /play engine. I had a Pontiac 400 built, it took 3 months. The shop was swamped. To me the good shops are turning work away and or it takes a wile to get you engine done. I don't mind waiting on quality.....
Love the good natured friendly banter between father and son.
Was doing a long rod (5.7”)400 sbc build years ago. Was using a hydraulic roller cam and the top side of the rods were hitting the camshaft in just a couple places. Had to grind a small amount from the area on the the rod where the cap bolts would thread into. The next time I had it apart I upgraded to better pistons and rods and these rods were already designed to clear all areas on the engine. I believe they were eagle series 2 rods. That with sealed power forged pistons and eagle cast steal crank. All balanced, GMPP fast burn heads, comp cam 236, 244 @.050 550 lift 10.7-1 comp. Thing was a little screamer and was bulletproof. Outstanding combination.
Liked seeing the two post lift doing double duty as a layout table for parts. Great idea! I have folding tables that I always used.
That old school way of putting a .375 crank in a 4 inch bore block would be so awesome to see it done in real time
I built two 383's with Scat rotating assemblies and their stuff is top notch IMO. The attention to detail in clearancing is a PITA but a necessary evil. We contoured everything with a cartridge that we used a carbide on to avoid any problems. Both engines are still going strong years later and one even gets some nitrous now and then, the other is at just under 100k miles of camper towing. Your customers are very lucky to have such skilled and caring builders/machinists. I'm nowhere near the caliber you guys are at, but with the assistance of a machinist that I have to drive 2.5 hrs. to go to, I can build some good junk, lol.
Man I lucked out with this build. I have a block at the machine shop right now getting prepped for almost exactly this motor! A SCAT 383 vortec for my 97 k1500
Yes please do a old school 383 build. I would love that
Clearance Clarence. Awesome build.
You guys handle the comment machinists really well haha.. i'm always blown away at the amount of people that have probably never set foot in a garage that love to give you criticism and advice. Your dad makes a good point you don't have to do this kind of stuff to tractors unless it's a hot rod tractor… I think it's time for the Jim's automotive machine shop pulling team to be born.👍
I’ve built so many of these SBC 383 and stroker fords combinations when I was working in a machine shop. On a 9.5 deck SBF 393, 408, and 418 about 30 minutes of clearance grinding and done. So much more work when assembling a stroker SBC. I used to convince people into buying a Bow Tie or Dart block because of the extra shop hours $$$
In Canada we use mustard for assembly lube but to each their own!
Maple syrup is too expensive?
@@jonasthemoviePretty sure that’s in the crankcase 😅
Nice job ... just a word of caution. When you finish with the clearance cuts, do go back in with a whizzy wheel and dull the perpendicular edges ... there's no "knife edges" on machined metal ... ever (unless you want stress cracks to appear). Time consuming stuff but necessary. Look forward to more on this build.
Reminded me of trying to get an 1800 BMC B engine, bored out to 2.2 litres to accommodate all the new parts including a special crank, 50 years ago!
After the block comes back from the line hone, would you show us you measuring the main bearing bores for roundness & straightness?
You might try using a welding rod of .062" diameter to 'gauge' the clearances.
Just found your videos this morning and I'm hooked.
Camshaft lobe can get really close to con rods in these engines.They call them stumbling blocks for a reason. thanks for sharing.
Ran into that problem years ago with stock 5.7” rods. I think stroker kits now use short rod bolts to clear the cam lobes.
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Over the hill from you in Rifle Colorado.
In high school, ‘83 or ‘84, my buddies dad built a 383 for his truck.
I remember all the fuss about using a 400 crank in a 350 block. The 400 was externally balanced, so a 400 flywheel was required.
I got to drive it a time or 2.
Ran awesome !
Ohhh… & 202 fuelie heads
This is the kinda stuff I like to watch
Fit, Tolerances and clearances, great job!
03:11 That cleaning guy owns a broom with a long handle. 🤣👍 And he knows your Mama! Watch out! Always fun to watch.
Great build... Can't wait for next video... Thanks for step by step on the build.. this is cool
So so true waiting on other peoples timelines, im building a 331 ford stroker with a scat crank, just got my block back from machine had it 30 over and cam bearings and freeze plugs, this took forever! Now i gotta pass the crank kit and harmonic balancer and flywheel off to another shop and the waiting starts again
Old school vs modern kit 383 is a great idea! Tedious I'm sure, but probably a great video series.
I absolutely love and enjoy your dynamic and your videos. I greatly appreciate you guys always posting and showing the process. It’s extremely satisfying to watch Masters work.
I love this father son stuff, when my dad was still around if we worked together he was always right and I was wrong. My dad could never understand why I had change so many gearboxes in my car, he would bang on iv never broke a GB, little did he know me and my mates were doing burnouts, enjoy your dad while he’s still around, my dads been gone for over 15 years and still miss him to bits.
Yes please do that video! The old school ways. Im very curious
Well, what a great idea to make more bench space! Love this series thus far and looking forward to more. What a great team.
I love the idea of showing the old school way, sounds very cool
LOVE YOUR PATIENCE
Neat. Never actually watched someone notch a block for a 383.
Just ordered my mouse pad, already love it on the image alone
🔥 appreciate you!
Hey fellas. I haven't had time to watch many videos lately, but I figured I'd comment for some engagement. Keep it up. I can't wait to get caught up on my backlog.
Wish me and my dad could have worked together like you guys
9.5:1 CR would be a good safe target. 10:1 is very doable with those aluminum heads and the correct IVC event.
The Cleaning Guy has a Cobra automatic BLADE! He's ready to rumble!!!
The camera didnt pick it up but those carbide burr tools sure throw chips everywhere. I used one to open a transmission fork up a bit on an old tractor that was wanting to bind when you shifted the pto. Fixed that problem.
I'm a Ford guy but I've built 4 of these 383's for guys around my area (all Scat or Eagle) and I haven't found one yet that cleared with the rods in it.
Never take more than you need to and always a radius with no sharp corners. Yep I think your Dad may have done this before. I for one would like to see a video of the "old school way"...
He’s just done it the old school way.
Well yes I guess he did lol...@@sjv6598
2:10 Ketchup as assembly lube is HILARIOUS! 🥫