Hello you legends. Access all episodes 10 hours earlier than TH-cam by Subscribing on Spotify - spoti.fi/2LSimPn. Here’s the timestamps: 00:00 Intro 02:50 Destiny’s Debate with Milo Yiannopoulos 13:03 Why Are Groups Falling In On Themselves? 19:43 Are Liberals Less Happy Than Conservatives? 30:17 The Problem with Too Much Freedom 39:30 How to Overcome Difficulty without Meaning 44:30 The Future of the Progressive Left 52:08 Will the Trad Movement Succeed? 1:06:00 What Young People Misunderstand About Happiness 1:13:20 The Gap Between Opinions & Actions 1:23:35 How Worried Should Creators Be About ChatGPT? 1:38:55 What’s Next for Destiny? 1:39:32 Where to Find Destiny
Wow Chris - a left leaning person! a face to face interview with them too! I'm genuinely shocked. More of this please. Your channel is way too right wing at times.
52:09 Everything Destiny said throughout this segment is 100% right on. I disagree with him on a lot of things, and he's more left-wing than I am, but dang it if he doesn't get this part exactly right. I wish more men on the right would understand this, instead of trying to take us back to 1950 or 1850. Women want real companionship, not just a paycheck. We're not going back to that. Some women might embrace "trad" but it's not the same thing as it was before, and on a society-wide level, we aren't going bsck. Move on. Evolve.
@@coleossal2544 thats the dumbest shit I heard in a while. Jesus. Does he look like an idiot? Yes. Does it matter? No. And no I never had blue hair, I am a heterosexual construction worker. 😂
I get the feeling that his name is as much as an attention gimmick as the blue hair he's had apparently recently. I've only listened to maybe two other convos with destiny and I ended up losing interest and stopping pretty early. He's got a vibe that generally turns me off.. probably bc i can't relate to liking either of our parties at this point. Just shows truly what a great interviewer Chris is bc I actually got sucked into the convo and gained some respect for destiny despite some strong disagreements.
@@fbinformant I'm in the same boat. There are a lot of things I disagree with him about, but the fact I was able to see a rational and calm discussion about subjects that I hold very strong opinions on was very refreshing. He made a lot of good points though I cannot say whether or not this is representative of his, for lack of a better term, catalog. I have heard of him before, but this is my first real exposure to him. One of his key points that I enjoyed was his line. About how so many? People. On either? Side are. So hell bent on tearing down current structures and institutions but have no idea what to replace them with. We cannot return to past status, and we cannot resume old morés... Certainly not if we wish to retain at least some semblance of liberty and freedom. I have found that there is a certain amount of hypocrisy to be found in both the left and right spectrums of american politics and culture. I can boil them both down in a extremely reductive way to say "We want the freedom for us to oppress you." Aside from gun rights on the right and abortion access on the left, I really can't see any unifying politics on either side. I suppose this is to be expected when you have an electorate of nearly three hundred million people. It hardly matters which political party is in power and either congress or 1600 Penn Ave, As I have seen since President Bush how the powers of the Office of the President have expanded and the actual rights of the average Citizen have been eroded and degraded, it really doesn't matter who is in office. Trying to unravel or foreign entanglements alone is a Sisyphean task because of over a century of overlapping treaties. This doesn't even hold a candle to the absolute blanket of alphabet agencies that have sprung up in the intervening time frame. At this point I almost wish the Goths would invade. Do you wanna know why the western empire was so hard to re establish? The local landowners were charging rents that were so much higher than what the gothic taxes were that simply put, the peasants preferred living under the Goths. On average, I have seen 1 trillion more debt each year and no one has any idea how to stop it. Rather than cut costs, they demand more taxes... At this point the United States deserves to burn for allowing this to happen.
@@fbinformant His name is back from when he was a starcraft pro. And his blue hair was a charity goal so he is just fulfilling a promise he made a long time ago.
Including him not taking accountability for saying Tate wonder be free on house arrest because he’s a flight risk but now that there’s still no evidence or charges and he’s on house arrest he’s claiming he’s always said to wait and see what happens he’s a slimey rat
I remember seeing Milo back in that 2016ish hayday where he was everywhere. For anyone who didn't see it, the best way I can possibly describe it is that it was like watching someone who was very versed in internet trollling doing a weirdly accurate, but conservative, pre-sobriety Russell Brand impression.
I dont think they given enough credit to Milo with how on point he was during the gamer gate / anti feminist era. I have yet to see a critique of Milo that draws the distinction with his current public image and how he was back then.
Despite the fact that Destiny's views are very far away from mine, I actually really enjoy listening to him talk. Unlike certain internet figures of the American Left like Vaush or Hasan, he seems to be an actually genuine person, who truly wants to engage with people's points. Which nowadays already makes him better than most. His idea of men having to "become more feminine" if they want to be more successful in the modern dating world was pretty interesting. I hadn't thought of that, but it does make some sense when you take into account the fact that things have drastically changed and that they are not going back to how they were. He's very left-wing (I don't really get how there are people on the Left who think that he's not, you'd have to be a Stalinist to think that a guy like Destiny isn't "left-wing enough"), but in a sobering way that makes me believe that he can talk to anyone and make something useful out of the conversation. Thanks for the video, Chris.
@@adammocklerif I want to save time, I pull the blue hair. If I want to chew the fat, I'll go into reasons why I disappeared. TH-cam comments aren't my collage essay homework.
Wow, a lot of the comments here are really negative. Thanks guys for getting together and having a good faith and healthy conversation. I remember 15 years ago being able to sit down with friends with different opinions and being able to talk like this. I'd definitely listen to Destiny again if he came on.
Fortunately. There are more positive comments. Personally, if I can't bear listening to someone because they have been spouting word salad and nothing of real substance, I'll just go to the comment section to see if the commenters have anything more interesting to say. If no, I'll just move on to another podcast that talk about real substance more. I tried listening to Destiny speak here, but too bad that all he has been saying for almost 20mins are just word salad and common sense stuffs. Perhaps Chris should try to play more devil's advocate to make him speak his mind more, also Christ should focus more on the idea than the people
@@shikyokira3065 what word salad are you talking about specifically? There's a difference between word salad and schizo-posting/going off on niche internet culture tangents. Word salad is what Jordan Peterson does, when he strings together dozens of long words, many of which are outside the vocabulary of the average person. Destiny was just speaking about internet culture in plain English, but was talking about obscure topics without giving proper context.
@@corruptpolitician3321 Destiny was using vague languages to the things he was talking about. For example, Milo. He talked about him being good in environment where trolling this and that. But without going into the details what makes him good in that environment, what ideas he had that made him popular. Destiny then went on about environment changes this and that. All these are stuffs without depth. We all know Milo did something, we know environment changes. If you have a half a brain and has been following the news for more than 2-5 years at least, you should know about most of these events. The problem with Destiny and what made it word salad is he wasn't focusing on the main substance (the ideas, the principles, and the values), instead he was dancing around this event and that event. Yeah, it might sound smart to only talk about factual events since they are hard to deny, but it only make you look shallow, weak and not interesting because you aren't putting your ideas out to be tested and pondered by like minded individuals. You could say its Chris' fault for not steering the conversation into the "right" direction since he is the interviewer here. And I would agree with you As for the Jordan Peterson thing, I know this is a bait so I will ignore it. Since he has nothing to do with what we are talking about, other than something you *feel* like he did
@@shikyokira3065 It sounds like we just have different definitions of word salad. Mine could be incorrect. My understanding of 'word salad' was that it was mainly referring to hyperfixation on minor semantics and the use of overly verbose and confusing/hard-to-follow language. An example would be if you look up 'Jordan Peterson word salad' by Karl emmrich. Outlining events and trends is still making an argument or at least describing a pattern that leads to his conclusions. Destiny didn't use any crazy words or really even say anything confusing... You're right that he didn't argue or back what he was saying very well but that doesn't make it word salad. It just makes it vague and weakly argued.
The whole idea of white liberal hate for themselves as a requirement for being a progressive, especially as a man, is the factor that pushed me away from left wing politics, I was already on the way out but it's so easy to sink into depression if everyone on your side hates you as a starting point because of your ethnic background. It's also starting to resemble some of the racial ideologies of the 20th century, which I want no part in.
I'm more on the left than Destiny but GOD is the state of the modern left frustrating. I want the kind "let's use technology to make people's lives easier and nature less wrecked" people back. The more science and philosophy oriented who can be actually critical towards their own in a philosophical way instead of this dumbass "you broke the woke code you BIGOT!" -shit. The woke stuff has many seeds of truth but goddamn is there a lot of shit on top of it too.
Same for me, namely the whole white guilt thing. The specific 'straw that broke the camel's back' for me though was complete strangers calling me an oppressor or coloniser and I'm like "I'm Scottish, who the fuck did I oppress or colonise?" 🤣 I find it impossible to have a genuine civil conversation with anyone who interacts this way.
@@MGShadow1989 because you can’t. Their tactic is specifically designed to divide and to destroy relationships. It’s evil. And you can tell because there’s nothing you can do to appease them to become ‘ok’. That’s the mark of a destructive tactic not a genuine desire to atone for the past
@@asparagusrealizer11 that’s what I tried to do, but it became clear class leftism isn’t viable. It’s moved on to mean racism against you based on your immutable characteristics you can’t change. And I preferred to live rather than die so I left the left. And had to rethink everything from first principles. For me, Catholicism became the alternative solution, an order based on the Church again modified to adapt to the changed conditions.
@@guuumby_1468 Not sure you understand how I think. It should be obvious you can't assume something so vague is wrong or what kind of value someone would extract from another person's perspective. To be clear I found him agitating at first, but gradually I started to see the value in his way of thinking. It is very different from my own and when I say I liked him it doesn't mean that I would copy him or adopt his combative nature. But I understand people like that and I actually appreciate the role they play in the greater dynamic. I'm sorry that makes you uncomfortable. I'll try to think more about my perspective until a random person on the internet approves ;)
As someone who leans right, I believe we need more people like Destiny on all sides, or rather we should support people like him. I like Ben Shapiro for similar reasons. They both have strong beliefs in their respective ideological and political fields and they express them. But they also go to great lengths to be ideologically consistent in many cases and despite aggressively debating, they always genuinely engage the other person with interest and curiosity. I think these guys have the potential to be great unifiers. On the other hand people like Hasan, TYT, Crowder, Charlie Kirk and those corners seem to instigate division. Listening to Destiny has showed me that I don't care that much about what someone else believes. I do care about how they express it and who they are willing to engage with. Unification doesn't mean that we need to all hold hands and jump into the rainbow. It just means we can like and respect someone who sees the world in a completely different light. And that is necessary, since we all have different experiences in life that will determine how me view the world.
Destiny got shit on from the left and right his whole career. He never did content and talks for just cloud or the money since he basically made Hasan and then he disagreed with him ideologically and now both are disliking each other since then.
@@jakobsrensen1684 who has destiny debated that has any actual knowledge of that of which they speak? I’ve only ever seen him talk to people like Tim pool or other leftists. No one with an actual coherent worldview that’s actually thought through these ideas.
@@mytruthslays1303 Oh....No I just meant that it would be adorable cuz they're both so petite. It would be like that hamster eating burritos bideo in 4d. He could get them coordinated regalia--accessories-- Heck, if he could get Rogan involved he could just kidnap them and do a whole Truman Show scenario. How precious it could be...
Making adjustments to systems to expand opportunities must be compatible with individual responsibility. We need both left and right. We just need to be honest when we try stuff and stop doing what doesn't work or causes more problems than it solves.
The problem is that once the left starts a policy to help people and it doesn’t work they never reverse it right away. It may be too difficult politically or they are simply opposed to changing the policy back. So you end up doing lots of damage before it eventually reverses (if ever).
Both sides have their positives and negatives, and we need to try to get the positives of both while addressing and dealing with the negatives of both. This sounds like a really obvious thing, but it doesn't seem like it's a thing in the public consciousness.
Yep. Absolutely love this stuff. I used to hate Destiny, but he's mellowed out and is more willing to listen to wtf people are saying, and the results are so much better this way.
@@fifiadan Destiny - radical left? Litherally half of his content is explaining why socialism is stupid, unavailable and leftists are champagne socialists. The left hates him more then they hate Hitler
I've found myself listening to Conservatives rather alot because the Left have gone nuts in general, but Destiny is good to listen to to balance out my world view and appreciate there is another side to the conversation. Great guest and discussion Chris!
@Mark Yuto hi, my point is I think it's likely I can get into a bit of an echo chamber listening to conservatives and I think Destiny is a good voice speaking for the liberal side.
@@Spade2351 "Male: 300 to 1,000 nanograms per deciliter (ng/dL) or 10 to 35 nanomoles per liter (nmol/L) Female: 15 to 70 ng/dL or 0.5 to 2.4 nmol/L." Depending on much you want to stab at this, ~300 estimate may still be too high, just sayin'.
breath of fresh air in the world of everyone has a podcast. set is dope framing and shot is dope, the back and forth angles on the speaker. great lighting.
it's so refreshing and restores a bit of hope for me. I don't want to be totally disenfranchised with progressive thought (as I have been for a few(several??) years now), Destiny helps me out of that and stops me from being intellectually lazy. You're right he's a great listener and communicator.
stoicism in the classical sense isn't the lack of emotion. It is about necessary and sufficient emotion not the over dramatization on any and all things. In common speak we would call it situational detachment. In the age of enlightenment it is about avoiding irrationalism.
I've been studying stoicism for almost 10 years and it really is the most misrepresented philosophy to ever exist, maybe aside from Nietzsche and nihilism
Just answering to the title alone: My gf is Liberal and “depressed” and on medication for it. I asked why she believes/feels she is and I was answered with “I’m just not happy all the time and I don’t know why, even on this medication I’m still not happy.” And that sparked a realization that some people believe they’re supposed to be happy every day or without negative thoughts throughout life. So I told her that I’m not happy every day and she asked why I’m not on meds, and it’s simple majority of the time my mood is neutral, some occasions I’m happy like a holidays, parties or gatherings. To shorten this comment, I think my and new generations think they’re supposed to be happy, not suffer, not to experience hardships or friction and they don’t know how to deal with it so they expect meds to fix it and when it doesn’t they feel worse.
It's really great seeing Destiny flourish and coming to other podcasts or channels and sharing what she's about. Thanks Chris Williamson for having our favorite woman on your show 8)
She really has so much potential outside of the stripping drama of clout goblins. I hope she will engage with this "centrist anti woke" bubble a lot more as it has so much more constructive potential for actual insights than redpill dummies, christian conservatives or the screeching end of the left. I really feel like the Heidt, old Peterson etc. style of pattern interacting with reasonable lefties is peak compromise of philosophy, clout and entertainment. Here can actually exist healing conversations for society. Would love to see Destiny with Chris and some of his more typical guest.
What an odd view of the trad position. To think that women, even "trad" women in previous generations had a defined role in where they never work out of the home, never had input into their marriage, never was an equal partner in their families.
Never had input? Never were equal? Nah that would imply they were not cherished above all to the married men of those long ago times. Maybe I misinterpret what your meaning is?
Yea the first things he mentions are abortion and birth control aren't going away. Now I don't keep up a lot with the "trad" movement too much so I could be ridiculously wrong but all I've seen is harkening back to a more traditional relationship structure
The part about the difference between being poor and being rich….I’m not what I consider to be “rich” but I’m better off than I’ve ever been, and I can relate to the panic of the snowballing of difficulty when one simple thing goes wrong. I experienced it so many times. Our problem as a society is mainly class related, but the self flagellating whyte rich “progressive” obsession is with race. It’s a cover for their guilt of being wealthy, they hate no only themselves, but the poor whytes who they’re terrified that they’ll become, if their financial situation changes dramatically.
"Our problem as a society is mainly class related" No it it not. Not even close. "Class" is just another bigoted leftist ideal. Used to create more division and hatred within society. Our main problem as a society, is mainly state based. The state has FAR to much power and control over society. This is what makes it hard for the "poor" to build their way up the social and economic hierarchy.
Having listened to this, it appears to me Destiny has grown up a lot in the past five or so years - this is entirely normal and to be expected. I hope he continues to grow.
1:11:20 That sounds reminiscent of Dialectical Behavioral Therapy. Marsha Linehan, the creator of DBT, defines 'dialectical' as a "synthesis or integration of opposites." The fundamental idea of DBT is that opposite truths can coexist and be harmonized. (Ie: I'm doing the best I can AND I want to be better). It aims to achieve a balance between empathy and acceptance while staying focused on changing problem behaviors.
Occasionally, you both have moments that articulate our moment in 2023 really well. Sending Respect & Love your way, thanks for being flashlights in the chaos
On men being emotionally vulnerable: Romance movies are women's porn. So when watching Hallmark channel movies watch how much the man has to be vulnerable... It isn't much, and if he was more vulnerable it feels like it would be a turnoff.
@@philiphudgens4726 Rather interesting way to describe him... Apt as much as I hate to admit it. I've heard his name before, but I never knew anything about him. I don't agree with him on everything, especially the Biden bit, but he did make a lot of good points.
I got hooked on him. First i thought we'd see eye to eye on many things, with time i saw the differences. But it doesn't matter, he builds his arguments well and it's entertaining to listen to, even when he doesn't change opinions
@@joeljuntunen2340 It's just nice to see someone who seems to have actually put more than two seconds of thought into a subject. Whether I agree with him or not is irrelevant. It's just refreshing to see.
I love that i get so many takes on things with this and other podcasts where i can get different perspectives and not feel attacked or talked down to. and i aquire a new youtube channel to watch nearly every day.
Millionaires are made in crash, so the more stocks drop, the more I buy, in the meanwhile I'm just focused on making better investments and earning more, apparently there are strategies to 3x gains in this present market cos I read of someone that pulled a profit of $350k within 2months, and it would really help if you could make a video covering these strategies.
The strategies are quite rigorous for the regular. As a matter of fact, they are mostly successfully carried out by pros who have had a great deal of skillset/knowledge to pull such trades off.
I agree, before the pandemic got real serious, I used to handle all my investment and I was pretty good at it, fast forward to post-pandemic and my-portfolio is steady in the red with profit rate down to the lowest, that's when I touched-base with a coach I saw featured on businessweek, who restructured my portfolio and over the last couple years, I've made over $850k from initially $210K
I’m new to all this, heard it's a good time to buy and basically I've just got cash sitting duck in the bank and I’d really love to put it to good use seeing how inflation is at an all time-high, who is this coach that guides you, mind I look them up
Thank you for this tip. it was easy to find your coach. Did my due diligence on him before engaging his services. He seems proficient considering him résumé.
This I disagree with his statement about traditionalism. I think a lot of that will bring us back to a sense of reality and people's self worth period. Abortion May not be going anywhere but I hope to God. It will be restricted far more than it is now.The number of babies that are murdered in North America is sickening and we worry about the number of people that get killed in wars when we oluntarily kill our own children. Medical assistance in dying. needs to be outlawed as well and we need to get back to respect for life. Governments need to stop feeding their citizens hard drugs and let that money be spent on rehabilitation.
His comment about how you don’t know if a guys cool until you see him interact with a woman is so true. I never talk about it but it’s something that I’ve just always unconsciously taken into account
On the talk about people caring more about words than actions, it made me think of the hogwarts legacy drama, like these people were everywhere saying that there is a trans genocide, and that by buying the game you were somehow causing it, so rather than do anything to actually help trans people, they just complained about the issue online. I've been seeing this more and more, people saying that they care about an issue, but they don't do anything past just saying they care, it's the liberal version of "thoughts and prayers".
Destiny should take his own advice and not say Jordan lost his mind in 2018 and maybe look at the other 99% of his content from the last 5 years. He might realize they agree on almost everything lol. I love both of them and that not bc i have split personality its bc i like consistency
Lowest u6 unemployment rate lowest u3 unemployment rate Highest gdp rate. Brought some inflation from 10 percent last year to 4.98 percent (at a time when the whole world is going through a systemic inflation spike) Revitalized the U.S. manufacturing sector ( chips act is the most notorious of them) Kick the crap out of China ( free balloons flew over the us under trump he did nothing) And a lot more.
Lowest u6 unemployment rate lowest u3 unemployment rate Highest gdp rate. Brought down inflation from 10 percent last year to 4.98 percent (at a time when the whole world is going through a systemic inflation spike) Revitalized the U.S. manufacturing sector ( chips act is the most notorious of them) Kick the crap out of China ( three balloons flew over the us under trump he did nothing) And a lot more.
Man, I don't know how I feel about Destiny these days. He's intelligent, he's quick, he correctly perceives a lot of things that most people don't and I agree with him 95% of the way there, but I just can't agree with a lot of his conclusions anymore.
Here’s the thing I’ve learned watching destiny. At the end of the day you need to build or be part of a community that activates you to take action. I think even destiny agrees with this, and his whole goal is to activate his community to take meaningful actions to build strong community and he’s in charge of his community.
destiny is spot on @21:06 - where he knows he talks about systems, and yet acts as an individual. he genuinely carries the synthesis within himself, and this is why he's interesting. he realizes that constantly blaming the system removes one's personal agency - and this sentiment is what ive heard among the anomalies (e.g. conservative minorities had said, 'i wont accept a victim mindset'). and this is the law of the wild, as old and as true as the sky. and the wolf who keeps it will prosper, but the wolf who breaks it will die! Like the wind that circles the tree trunk, this law runneth forward and back. The strength of the pack is the wolf, and the strength of the wolf is the pack. (Rudyard Kipling)
I really hope that there would be a debate between Ben Shapiro and Destiny. Two people who clearly love debating and overflowing with ideas and thoughts. Two people who have pretty strong conviction about their side of the ideological debate. Two people who at least even tries to understand the other side in some way shape or form. Two people who care about truth.
@@akhiltrc9708 not any non-conservatives that would actually challenge him in a meaningful way. Ben Shapiro is smart but when you see him talk to people who aren't 18 year old college kids or your most basic democrat or liberal, he does not show up the way he normally might.
@@jorgeenchilada He had Ana Kasparian, Matt Taibbi, Bill Maher, Bari Weiss, Russell Brand, Ezra Klein on. I think it is that the hyper liberals won’t platform themselves on his space, and not a matter of him not requesting them on for a debate. Is that last line an assumption, or is there a link to where I can see how he doesn’t appear as he normally might debating respectable liberals?
@@kirkvanallen5202 Bro, I don't care for football because of personal experience and the obvious consequences of it. But Madden is huge and Warren Sapp and others play it. Musk played computer games as a kid and he was picked on. Just because you play video games doesn't mean you have to be an anti-physical competition beta.
I've been on both sides. The left- no sex, no humour, no future. The right- wow, sex is so much simpler, there's laughter, family and employers like you. It's that simple.
Good team. It was interesting to hear Destiny mention the change in political behavior, I used to think he was sort of "meh" when he was debating Sargon back in the days, but these days I've actually started to like him, despite his some of his mad theories, and it's probably just because of his change in political behavior, like he said.
I'm not usually a fan of Destiny, don't really go to a stripper to hear about political philosophy and the like, but I gotta admit, this intro, that first minute, that's a solid opener. +1.
As someone who is overall more on the left than him I'm still so fucking desperate for reasonable philosophical leftists who don't view everything as a fucking tug of war where winning always comes before seeking truth. I'm sure they exists but the sphere of people with more clout is so fucking barren of them. This center/center right "academic kinda anti woke" bubble has a lot of potential for good but that won't be achieved if it's just the school of Heidt, Peterson and the likes talking with each others with no counterparts from the left joining them.
@@chandleranderson373 I would bet 100 bucks that he can make your points better than you could yourself. Destiny is usually very good in understanding and accurately representing his opponents views.
I mean connected have higher rates of childhood pregnancy, higher rates of obesity, higher rates of childhood poverty, higher rates of dropping out of highschool. But at least they don't live in cities. I think the answer is probably more complex than that.
@@johnschmidt1262 I actually looked that up and there's not much of a link between rural living and urban living. Or rather the difference is very minor. People in cities and rural areas report depression at similar rates, and suicide rates are also similar.
I disagree with Destiny on a lot of stuff. I agree with Destiny on a lot of stuff. I'm just consistently surprised at how he can give a nuanced and reasonable take one breath and then go completely off the rails in the next.
and you never considered that he might have been off the rails in the former, or you are off the rails in the latter? you already acknowledge that you disagree with him on a lot of stuff, how is it surprising then?
@@DerUnbekannte I am not so dumb as to think that I don't suffer from cognitive biases like everyone else, but that fact should not prevent me from calling out Destinies own biases in action. An example in this conversation is noting that women are becoming more masculine, so the proper thing is for men to become more feminine. The first part is determinable (though I disagree with the phrasing), but the second is a drastic leap of logic. It's kind of like saying oranges are round so that means apples should be more like bananas. It's something that sounds like it should make sense, but is actually baseless social constructivist gobbledygook.
It's strange but I find that I like Destiny way more depending on who he is talking to. When the atmosphere is neutral or friendly I actually tend to like his commentary. But whenever he talks to anyone from Twitch or he's ranting at the camera reacting to some TH-cam video I can't stand him lol. He's usually saying much the same thing but it's crazy how much of a difference tone makes with this guy.
Beautifully put together podcast my G. Top tier lighting and composition. Thoughtful editing. Lot's of love put into the overall production, which elevates the actual content. I'm a long time Destiny subscriber, so there's obviously lot's I disagree with being expressed in this community/chat but it's impolite walk into such a clean house with dirty shoes, so immo reserve my vehement opposition to some of the thoroughly unhinged commentary here, and focus on the positives. Will be subbing 👌🏽
Calling it now: When in the fullness of time it becomes abundantly clear that the Nick & Ye collab never actually ended, Destiny will not acknowledge how utterly wrong he was.
@@The1Liner A) Because I believe Nick, and B) for the past 6 years every single time a naysayer has made a pessimistic prediction or proclamation about Nick, he/she has been proven wrong.
@@BezoRazo yet... Ye is still just a crazy dude and he is being used for attention because he is famous and made himself a spectacle. Also it's hilarious to act like Nick has really accomplished anything to show he outperformed the doubters or whatever. He just stuck around spewing the same old bullshit and there's a bunch of fools out there that keep listening.
Remember guys, Destiny literally has said on record ‘Jordan Peterson only makes descriptive claims. He never makes normative claims’ In other words, Destiny thinks Jordan Peterson merely describes things and doesn’t offer any solutions or morals (shoulds and shouldn’ts) Let that sink in. So take his opinion with a massive grain of salt
Destiny can't interact maturely with someone he's denoted an enemy, though he's definitely not as bad as he was with this when Jordan Peterson became popular, it's still there.
@@stevenm732 he gives answers on things he has answers too, mostly practical advice on how individuals can improve their life and mental health. He gives less solutions to the complex social and political problems, which i don't see a problem with. They are hard problems and there are no clear solutions, I'd prefer he stay honest than delude himself into thinking he has all the answers
funny because destiny said if you are a guy above 20 and you have trouble talking to girls. You are screwed because you didn’t start talking to girls in high school. He says a bunch of stupid stuff like this.
I'd argue part of the fragility to stress is from increased competition and more options with higher standards. You have a larger range of options and it's harder to compete to a cozy state
@Dio Brando @Dio Brando sorry if I wasn't clear, im arguing that the decreased tolerance to stress or "fragility" towards stress is more than: Weakness of the youth Internet Addiction Different Ideology that brings in facility to stress Ect All of those things I do consider factors, but I feel some factors ignored, especially in this talk, are the higher living standards and increased competition from stronger liberalism, progressivism, and technology. People today, especially the young, have a high investment to compete for what is higher than traditionally socially excepted standard of living. They have to compete in markets boosted with greater and cheaper freedom of movement, wider spread and more instant communications, and more globally centralized corporate/economic/cultural/educational institutions. All of this culminates in an increased choice paralyzation and a greater stress to maintain the successes of the path they are already on. I'm arguing that the stress fragility is influenced and likely highly influenced by changes in the western world over the past generations. Yes the youth need to figure out ideologies and lifestyles that will help navigate the stress, but I feel it's a case of having to carry the cross. Its an ill you need to get better at but it's likely not going to go away cause you got better at it
@Dio Brando I mean sure, but it shows a bit of a lack of empathy or understanding when specifically talking about the problems of today and the kids these days. I'm not really dogging here though, just adding to the convo
I often find myself aligning with views that are currently considered conservative, even though in my home state I'm considered a liberal by the locals(I had a brief stint in Chicago where I was actually called alt-right). Two of my closest friends are people with polar opposite beliefs. One thinks California is doing everything right(guns should be banned in whole, etc), and the other one is a self described communist. We have our different views, but we still respect each other and our differing views. I'm sure to a certain extend we all just think that a subsection of each others views are faulty, but we know we've all put thought into why we feel what we feel is correct. We do snipe at each other every now and again, but I feel that it comes from the classic masculine 'trolling each other', akin to standard male bonding pre-2015. The thing which I think allows this to happen is that we all grew up together; we've had a long time to develop a respect for one another over a long time. These days, the social circles of people, I feel, are often boundaried by political lines. I can see the singular merits to my friend's beliefs, even if I disagree with them on the whole. This is what is missing from current year political debate. It's not "You make good points on X, but are lacking on reasoning for Y", it's become "You believe X, so you must also think that Y is true, and Z is just destructive to our current society."
This is a good conversation. I have trouble following Destiny because he talks really quickly and jumps around a lot. I like him, he seems really kind. I disagree with some of his ideas, but I’m glad he’s willing to talk openly. I personally think conservatives are happier because they tend to feel that they are personally responsible for becoming successful and rely less on others. You can only control yourself and you cannot control other people. If you feel empowered, you will be empowered. Also, conservatives tend to be religious more often. Having faith in a higher power gives you somewhere to turn when things in life are difficult, to help you overcome hard times.
I’d agree with progressives that there are wider systems that collectively advantage some over others unfairly but it’s not something you should be defined by. Recognizing injustice is good and you can advocate for change because of that but progressives bring it into their personal lives to an unhealthy extent. As an individual you are ultimately responsible for your outcomes.
H's definitely not kind, and he only talks to people from different bubbles to his, because he wants the notoriety and to grow his channel. He goes on different "arcs" because he gets bored with a particular plaything and wants something different to fill his content. He's a very intelligent guy no doubt, but I wouldn't say he's a good person particularly.
You mean conservative men rely less on others . Yet they expect the conservative women to rely completely and be submissive to their conservative husbands.
I just watched that debate and Milo is absolutely mimicing the oratory style of Christopher Hitchens. He was speaking nonsense, but it was almost persuasive in how he delivered it. I really don't know how anyone can take that guy serious at this point.
1:32:20 Moore's original law, transistors doubling every 1.5 years, broke a while ago. That happened when we had to swap to multi-core processors. Then it started being more 2 years, and total possible output instead of transistor count (fun fact, just like you can't use more than 10-20% of your brain at a time, you can't use all of a processor at a time, because it'll overheat immediately and die. It's called "Dark Silicon"). It's also starting to look like we're hitting the physical limits for real now. The smallest chips we have on market right now are 3 nm, but here's the fun fact: A silisium atom has the size of 0.2nm, meaning that if you have 2nm, you have 10 atoms. You have no idea how utterly insane this is, and I would not be surprised if we're hitting a point, or if we already hit it, where the failure rate in production is higher than the performance gain. Also, when the number of atoms shrink to this point, there's the problem of quantum mechanics coming into play. Tunnelling and other problems. Personally, I think 5 nm will be the standard for high performance (computers and smartphones), and 14 nm for cheaper circuitry. TL;DR: Moore's law is basically dying right now, we're seeing the plateau appearing. Transistor count is reaching its peak and it's probable that we won't produce much more powerful PC's than we have today, they'll just be a bit cheaper.
such a great conversation. but thoughts with the advent of chat gtp. i think it is finally time to step away from the internet. it has been beautiful growing up with it from and being such an essential part of my life during my teen years (15 years ago). so many good memories, but lately, especially the past 5 years something has drastically change with the culture of the internet. the nail in the coffin is going to be chat gtp. i just know this is a change that i don't want to be apart of. lucky my career exists exclusively offline so im grateful for that. and its great for you to have destiny on your podcast. i have heard him on other podcasts i follow. even though i do not agree with a lot of his views, i still appreciate his intelligence and good points. have more guests like him please! it makes for more dynamic and interesting conversations. good episode!
I really like Destiny and agree with most of what he says but I've realised what stops me liking him. It is his lack of a warrior code. I would not like him to back me up in a bar fight or have him in my platoon. This sounds misogynistic but I believe we trust people who understand battle and would follow those who have been in battle. If you don't understand combat you can never truly understand yourself...and in closing you could never understand the human spirit
I’m a conservative. However, I think Destiny does the best at arguing for the other side. He has the verbal IQ of Ben Shapiro. Watch him on 1.5 for your head to explode.
What I appreciate about Destiny is that he doesn't run away from debate, and is willing to engage in a discussion with pretty much anyone. You don't see much of that from the online left today so huge props for that.
I used to think the same until I started watching his content consistently he thinks guys like David Goggins, Jordan Peterson, Elon musk, Andrew Tate are corny yet he lets his wife sleep with other men. He lives very hedonistic lifestyle being a 24/7 gamer and sex addict but gets defensive when confronted about it, he also encourages people to have victim mindset.
This conversation is a perfect example of how the left and the right agree on the problems but disagree on the solutions. (I know left and right isn't a great descriptor)
I've seen this a lot. Unfortunately a lot of people out there just hit a wall and immediately jump to "taxes bad!" and "government only makes things worse!" so they might only offer solutions that end up being pure BS stuff, like "the invisible hand of the markets will regulate everything" (as if we've ever seen uncontrolled capitalism end without disaster) or "remove government involvement entirely". It's one thing if you're fixing bad legislation and regulations with new versions, but you're not "solving" anything by saying "get rid of it all!" as a knee-jerk response. Then you have dopes saying "Keep the government out of my Medicare!"
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Hello you legends. Access all episodes 10 hours earlier than TH-cam by Subscribing on Spotify - spoti.fi/2LSimPn. Here’s the timestamps:
00:00 Intro
02:50 Destiny’s Debate with Milo Yiannopoulos
13:03 Why Are Groups Falling In On Themselves?
19:43 Are Liberals Less Happy Than Conservatives?
30:17 The Problem with Too Much Freedom
39:30 How to Overcome Difficulty without Meaning
44:30 The Future of the Progressive Left
52:08 Will the Trad Movement Succeed?
1:06:00 What Young People Misunderstand About Happiness
1:13:20 The Gap Between Opinions & Actions
1:23:35 How Worried Should Creators Be About ChatGPT?
1:38:55 What’s Next for Destiny?
1:39:32 Where to Find Destiny
Wow Chris - a left leaning person! a face to face interview with them too! I'm genuinely shocked. More of this please. Your channel is way too right wing at times.
Destiny is a pedo APOLOGIST PLEASE STOP GIVING HIM a PLATFORM 😢😢😢
@@kratos.8151 Because liberals dunt want to talk ... 😂
Too much "like".. AGAIN
52:09 Everything Destiny said throughout this segment is 100% right on. I disagree with him on a lot of things, and he's more left-wing than I am, but dang it if he doesn't get this part exactly right. I wish more men on the right would understand this, instead of trying to take us back to 1950 or 1850. Women want real companionship, not just a paycheck. We're not going back to that. Some women might embrace "trad" but it's not the same thing as it was before, and on a society-wide level, we aren't going bsck. Move on. Evolve.
Good job bringing this brave woman on your podcast Chris
Yeah.. I can't watch a video if there's a guy with blue hair speaking. I'm not interested in any of what is said.
shes so brave. so stunning.
@@coleossal2544 So you would listen if he changed his hair color?
You guys are so repetitive and dull.
@@coleossal2544 thats the dumbest shit I heard in a while. Jesus. Does he look like an idiot? Yes. Does it matter? No.
And no I never had blue hair, I am a heterosexual construction worker. 😂
I appreciate how much respect respect and maturity Chris showed by not talking about how Destiny is a girl's name
I just am concerned about Destiny's Child. No hits in the hot 100?
@@jpslayermayor9293 you compounded my lol😂
I get the feeling that his name is as much as an attention gimmick as the blue hair he's had apparently recently. I've only listened to maybe two other convos with destiny and I ended up losing interest and stopping pretty early. He's got a vibe that generally turns me off.. probably bc i can't relate to liking either of our parties at this point. Just shows truly what a great interviewer Chris is bc I actually got sucked into the convo and gained some respect for destiny despite some strong disagreements.
@@fbinformant I'm in the same boat. There are a lot of things I disagree with him about, but the fact I was able to see a rational and calm discussion about subjects that I hold very strong opinions on was very refreshing. He made a lot of good points though I cannot say whether or not this is representative of his, for lack of a better term, catalog. I have heard of him before, but this is my first real exposure to him.
One of his key points that I enjoyed was his line. About how so many? People. On either? Side are. So hell bent on tearing down current structures and institutions but have no idea what to replace them with. We cannot return to past status, and we cannot resume old morés... Certainly not if we wish to retain at least some semblance of liberty and freedom. I have found that there is a certain amount of hypocrisy to be found in both the left and right spectrums of american politics and culture. I can boil them both down in a extremely reductive way to say "We want the freedom for us to oppress you." Aside from gun rights on the right and abortion access on the left, I really can't see any unifying politics on either side. I suppose this is to be expected when you have an electorate of nearly three hundred million people. It hardly matters which political party is in power and either congress or 1600 Penn Ave, As I have seen since President Bush how the powers of the Office of the President have expanded and the actual rights of the average Citizen have been eroded and degraded, it really doesn't matter who is in office. Trying to unravel or foreign entanglements alone is a Sisyphean task because of over a century of overlapping treaties. This doesn't even hold a candle to the absolute blanket of alphabet agencies that have sprung up in the intervening time frame.
At this point I almost wish the Goths would invade. Do you wanna know why the western empire was so hard to re establish? The local landowners were charging rents that were so much higher than what the gothic taxes were that simply put, the peasants preferred living under the Goths. On average, I have seen 1 trillion more debt each year and no one has any idea how to stop it. Rather than cut costs, they demand more taxes... At this point the United States deserves to burn for allowing this to happen.
@@fbinformant His name is back from when he was a starcraft pro. And his blue hair was a charity goal so he is just fulfilling a promise he made a long time ago.
If more progressives were as level headed as Destiny and more conservatives like Chris we’d be in a much better place right now
Destiny advocates for ethnic cleansing of white people and forcefully removing conservatives from American society.
He's anything but level headed.
@@Illumirage Are you a psyop? Why would you purposefully lie so obviously? All that does is make your side look unhinged and look like liars.
@@daviddavidson6278 projection
@@Illumirage Projection inane-0
@@hurkamur1 no
Love seeing Steven in a conversational atmosphere.
The thing about no one being able to take credit for anything anymore is so true
No one can also take responsibility for anything either. Nor is anyone allowed to defend themselves... What a sad and sorry state.
Including him not taking accountability for saying Tate wonder be free on house arrest because he’s a flight risk but now that there’s still no evidence or charges and he’s on house arrest he’s claiming he’s always said to wait and see what happens he’s a slimey rat
@@mycrazylife408 Some punctuation would be helpful.
@@mycrazylife408 he is a flight risk and his position has always been let’s wait and see stop having a hate boner for him it’s weird
because people dogpile on anything of merit and put it down.
I love listening to Destiny talk. I just wish I agreed with even 10% of the things he says.
he’s so intelligent but he has terrible judgement and reasoning sometimes I think he’s just being a contrarian
@@mycrazylife408 where do you disagree with him?
@Dalibansoldier The first thing that pops to mind is when he said he thinks Biden is doing a great job.
@@JamCooperyeah I was absolutely shocked when I heard that, first and last time I’ll ever hear anyone say that
@@JamCooper what did Destiny say specifically In support if Biden?
I remember seeing Milo back in that 2016ish hayday where he was everywhere. For anyone who didn't see it, the best way I can possibly describe it is that it was like watching someone who was very versed in internet trollling doing a weirdly accurate, but conservative, pre-sobriety Russell Brand impression.
Great description lol
I dont think they given enough credit to Milo with how on point he was during the gamer gate / anti feminist era. I have yet to see a critique of Milo that draws the distinction with his current public image and how he was back then.
He was the political 6ix9ine
Despite the fact that Destiny's views are very far away from mine, I actually really enjoy listening to him talk. Unlike certain internet figures of the American Left like Vaush or Hasan, he seems to be an actually genuine person, who truly wants to engage with people's points. Which nowadays already makes him better than most.
His idea of men having to "become more feminine" if they want to be more successful in the modern dating world was pretty interesting. I hadn't thought of that, but it does make some sense when you take into account the fact that things have drastically changed and that they are not going back to how they were.
He's very left-wing (I don't really get how there are people on the Left who think that he's not, you'd have to be a Stalinist to think that a guy like Destiny isn't "left-wing enough"), but in a sobering way that makes me believe that he can talk to anyone and make something useful out of the conversation. Thanks for the video, Chris.
Solid breakdown. A lot of people in the comments shut their brains off when they see blue hair, so nice to see some rational listeners too.
Very well said
the people who say hes not left enough are the purity spiral people.
@@adammocklerif I want to save time, I pull the blue hair. If I want to chew the fat, I'll go into reasons why I disappeared. TH-cam comments aren't my collage essay homework.
Him and his gal have an open relationship, so take what he says about relationships and women with a grain of salt
Wow, a lot of the comments here are really negative. Thanks guys for getting together and having a good faith and healthy conversation. I remember 15 years ago being able to sit down with friends with different opinions and being able to talk like this. I'd definitely listen to Destiny again if he came on.
Fortunately. There are more positive comments. Personally, if I can't bear listening to someone because they have been spouting word salad and nothing of real substance, I'll just go to the comment section to see if the commenters have anything more interesting to say. If no, I'll just move on to another podcast that talk about real substance more.
I tried listening to Destiny speak here, but too bad that all he has been saying for almost 20mins are just word salad and common sense stuffs. Perhaps Chris should try to play more devil's advocate to make him speak his mind more, also Christ should focus more on the idea than the people
@@shikyokira3065 what word salad are you talking about specifically? There's a difference between word salad and schizo-posting/going off on niche internet culture tangents.
Word salad is what Jordan Peterson does, when he strings together dozens of long words, many of which are outside the vocabulary of the average person.
Destiny was just speaking about internet culture in plain English, but was talking about obscure topics without giving proper context.
@@corruptpolitician3321 Destiny was using vague languages to the things he was talking about.
For example, Milo. He talked about him being good in environment where trolling this and that. But without going into the details what makes him good in that environment, what ideas he had that made him popular. Destiny then went on about environment changes this and that.
All these are stuffs without depth. We all know Milo did something, we know environment changes. If you have a half a brain and has been following the news for more than 2-5 years at least, you should know about most of these events.
The problem with Destiny and what made it word salad is he wasn't focusing on the main substance (the ideas, the principles, and the values), instead he was dancing around this event and that event. Yeah, it might sound smart to only talk about factual events since they are hard to deny, but it only make you look shallow, weak and not interesting because you aren't putting your ideas out to be tested and pondered by like minded individuals.
You could say its Chris' fault for not steering the conversation into the "right" direction since he is the interviewer here. And I would agree with you
As for the Jordan Peterson thing, I know this is a bait so I will ignore it. Since he has nothing to do with what we are talking about, other than something you *feel* like he did
@@shikyokira3065 It sounds like we just have different definitions of word salad. Mine could be incorrect.
My understanding of 'word salad' was that it was mainly referring to hyperfixation on minor semantics and the use of overly verbose and confusing/hard-to-follow language.
An example would be if you look up 'Jordan Peterson word salad' by Karl emmrich.
Outlining events and trends is still making an argument or at least describing a pattern that leads to his conclusions. Destiny didn't use any crazy words or really even say anything confusing... You're right that he didn't argue or back what he was saying very well but that doesn't make it word salad. It just makes it vague and weakly argued.
@@chrisc4507 nothing of intelligent to say?
I like how when ever anyone say's they're getting into the gym and trying the first first words out of Chris' mouth are encouragement.
Keep it up Notana
Came here to hate on destiny but he’s actually fairly reasonable.
Always has been
@@kingdodgearcane if by advocating for ethnic cleansing you mean reasonable then well....
@@SamiNami how delusional are you?
@@kingdodgearcane
🌎👨🚀🔫👨🚀
@@Illumirage
By "advocating" for ethnic cleansing you mean that he doesn't give a shit if white race might eventually gets erased through race mixing?
The whole idea of white liberal hate for themselves as a requirement for being a progressive, especially as a man, is the factor that pushed me away from left wing politics, I was already on the way out but it's so easy to sink into depression if everyone on your side hates you as a starting point because of your ethnic background.
It's also starting to resemble some of the racial ideologies of the 20th century, which I want no part in.
I'm more on the left than Destiny but GOD is the state of the modern left frustrating. I want the kind "let's use technology to make people's lives easier and nature less wrecked" people back. The more science and philosophy oriented who can be actually critical towards their own in a philosophical way instead of this dumbass "you broke the woke code you BIGOT!" -shit.
The woke stuff has many seeds of truth but goddamn is there a lot of shit on top of it too.
Same for me, namely the whole white guilt thing.
The specific 'straw that broke the camel's back' for me though was complete strangers calling me an oppressor or coloniser and I'm like "I'm Scottish, who the fuck did I oppress or colonise?" 🤣
I find it impossible to have a genuine civil conversation with anyone who interacts this way.
@@MGShadow1989 because you can’t. Their tactic is specifically designed to divide and to destroy relationships. It’s evil. And you can tell because there’s nothing you can do to appease them to become ‘ok’. That’s the mark of a destructive tactic not a genuine desire to atone for the past
@@asparagusrealizer11 that’s what I tried to do, but it became clear class leftism isn’t viable. It’s moved on to mean racism against you based on your immutable characteristics you can’t change. And I preferred to live rather than die so I left the left. And had to rethink everything from first principles. For me, Catholicism became the alternative solution, an order based on the Church again modified to adapt to the changed conditions.
Acknowledging reality doesn't require hating yourself. Who the fuck told you to do that?
Wasn’t familiar with Destiny before this but I loved his perspective. Definitely a free thinker.
Rethink your perspective, Chris. My god…
@@guuumby_1468 rethink your own perspective.
@@guuumby_1468 Not sure you understand how I think. It should be obvious you can't assume something so vague is wrong or what kind of value someone would extract from another person's perspective. To be clear I found him agitating at first, but gradually I started to see the value in his way of thinking. It is very different from my own and when I say I liked him it doesn't mean that I would copy him or adopt his combative nature. But I understand people like that and I actually appreciate the role they play in the greater dynamic.
I'm sorry that makes you uncomfortable. I'll try to think more about my perspective until a random person on the internet approves ;)
If you think that Destiny is a free thinker you are definitely wrong lmao
'Destiny isnt reflexively anti-establishment on absolutely everything so he isn't a free thinker.' - Every online loser, ever.
As someone who leans right, I believe we need more people like Destiny on all sides, or rather we should support people like him. I like Ben Shapiro for similar reasons. They both have strong beliefs in their respective ideological and political fields and they express them. But they also go to great lengths to be ideologically consistent in many cases and despite aggressively debating, they always genuinely engage the other person with interest and curiosity. I think these guys have the potential to be great unifiers.
On the other hand people like Hasan, TYT, Crowder, Charlie Kirk and those corners seem to instigate division.
Listening to Destiny has showed me that I don't care that much about what someone else believes. I do care about how they express it and who they are willing to engage with. Unification doesn't mean that we need to all hold hands and jump into the rainbow. It just means we can like and respect someone who sees the world in a completely different light. And that is necessary, since we all have different experiences in life that will determine how me view the world.
Peace was never an option. Centre always have been irrelevant
Destiny got shit on from the left and right his whole career. He never did content and talks for just cloud or the money since he basically made Hasan and then he disagreed with him ideologically and now both are disliking each other since then.
@@dr.livesey7595 U do know it's center who always decides which party holds the presidency haha
echo chambers are comfy
Please get Michael Malice and Destiny to sit down and talk. That would be beyond all notions of epic.
Yes please!
@@mytruthslays1303 destiny would leave him whimpering like a lil bitch !!!
@@jakobsrensen1684 who has destiny debated that has any actual knowledge of that of which they speak? I’ve only ever seen him talk to people like Tim pool or other leftists. No one with an actual coherent worldview that’s actually thought through these ideas.
@@mytruthslays1303 Oh....No I just meant that it would be adorable cuz they're both so petite. It would be like that hamster eating burritos bideo in 4d. He could get them coordinated regalia--accessories-- Heck, if he could get Rogan involved he could just kidnap them and do a whole Truman Show scenario. How precious it could be...
Ohhh, this would rule
Making adjustments to systems to expand opportunities must be compatible with individual responsibility. We need both left and right. We just need to be honest when we try stuff and stop doing what doesn't work or causes more problems than it solves.
The problem is that once the left starts a policy to help people and it doesn’t work they never reverse it right away. It may be too difficult politically or they are simply opposed to changing the policy back. So you end up doing lots of damage before it eventually reverses (if ever).
Exactly. You can't always blame the system
Both sides have their positives and negatives, and we need to try to get the positives of both while addressing and dealing with the negatives of both. This sounds like a really obvious thing, but it doesn't seem like it's a thing in the public consciousness.
Center left + center right = rational, emotionally healthy discourse. GO FIGURE! Great content.
Radical right + radical leftist (not liberal) >
this manchild is not center left...
@@wasdwasdedsf how is a he man child?
Yep. Absolutely love this stuff. I used to hate Destiny, but he's mellowed out and is more willing to listen to wtf people are saying, and the results are so much better this way.
@@fifiadan Destiny - radical left? Litherally half of his content is explaining why socialism is stupid, unavailable and leftists are champagne socialists. The left hates him more then they hate Hitler
I've found myself listening to Conservatives rather alot because the Left have gone nuts in general, but Destiny is good to listen to to balance out my world view and appreciate there is another side to the conversation. Great guest and discussion Chris!
You've been deceived? Balanced by what? This isn't money. 😂
@Mark Yuto hi, my point is I think it's likely I can get into a bit of an echo chamber listening to conservatives and I think Destiny is a good voice speaking for the liberal side.
I remember watching Destiny's Baneling analogy video for the first time some 10-ish years ago. Look where we are now. This is truly a wild timeline
So... consistently a great mind?
What's Baneling
bruh, his retard magnet and JIMMY NOOO videos were some of my favorite videos ever when I was a teenager lmao
Always great to see women on the podcast Chris! Keep it up! 🔥🔥🔥
What an original joke that we haven't heard 100 times before.
@@ChickFenwick free speech goes from all directions.
his natural T levels are ~300 sooo sounds about right
@@Spade2351 "Male: 300 to 1,000 nanograms per deciliter (ng/dL) or 10 to 35 nanomoles per liter (nmol/L) Female: 15 to 70 ng/dL or 0.5 to 2.4 nmol/L." Depending on much you want to stab at this, ~300 estimate may still be too high, just sayin'.
@@YummyFoodOnlyPlz Which means that I'm free to comment on your comment.
I appreciate the effort and dedication that clearly went into making this video. It shows in every frame.
breath of fresh air in the world of everyone has a podcast. set is dope framing and shot is dope, the back and forth angles on the speaker. great lighting.
Great conversation on some interesting and relevant topics. Showing that people need to be able to have uncomfortable talks.
I love how this guy can listen , receive and respond to Chris from an objective stance.
He is ONE great lefty.
Thanks guys.
🤣
Its an act ,,,, its not real
Unless he is debating and then he tries to railroad them.
Yes, he is very good at talking and listening in a conversation.
@@habitat2990 ??
it's so refreshing and restores a bit of hope for me. I don't want to be totally disenfranchised with progressive thought (as I have been for a few(several??) years now), Destiny helps me out of that and stops me from being intellectually lazy. You're right he's a great listener and communicator.
I would love to hear his three examples of why’ve thinks Biden Is doing a good job.
Exactly! I think he meant 'in clown world' 😄
Banks, Military Industrial Complex and College Administrators love the job Biden is doing.
being a destiny fan i believe it would be 1 covid relief 2 infrastructure bill 3 afghan
@@michael2713 He’d probably say Ukraine response as well. Honestly might even say that over Afghanistan
CHIPS Act, IRA, Marriage Equality written into law (as opposed to a flimsy court ruling that can be thrown out by the new ilk)
stoicism in the classical sense isn't the lack of emotion. It is about necessary and sufficient emotion not the over dramatization on any and all things. In common speak we would call it situational detachment. In the age of enlightenment it is about avoiding irrationalism.
I've been studying stoicism for almost 10 years and it really is the most misrepresented philosophy to ever exist, maybe aside from Nietzsche and nihilism
Just answering to the title alone: My gf is Liberal and “depressed” and on medication for it. I asked why she believes/feels she is and I was answered with “I’m just not happy all the time and I don’t know why, even on this medication I’m still not happy.” And that sparked a realization that some people believe they’re supposed to be happy every day or without negative thoughts throughout life. So I told her that I’m not happy every day and she asked why I’m not on meds, and it’s simple majority of the time my mood is neutral, some occasions I’m happy like a holidays, parties or gatherings. To shorten this comment, I think my and new generations think they’re supposed to be happy, not suffer, not to experience hardships or friction and they don’t know how to deal with it so they expect meds to fix it and when it doesn’t they feel worse.
100% and it usually stems from people never having someone prepare you for the real world.
Not only that but your lows and neutrals make your highs that much better
People forget that happiness is an extreme emotion. Most of the time life is neutral and there are moments of happiness and moments of sadness
@@ginger_jeezus exactly
I hope you've moved on to someone stable now. Or gotten her pregnant and have her stay home.
It's really great seeing Destiny flourish and coming to other podcasts or channels and sharing what she's about. Thanks Chris Williamson for having our favorite woman on your show 8)
❤
She really has so much potential outside of the stripping drama of clout goblins.
I hope she will engage with this "centrist anti woke" bubble a lot more as it has so much more constructive potential for actual insights than redpill dummies, christian conservatives or the screeching end of the left.
I really feel like the Heidt, old Peterson etc. style of pattern interacting with reasonable lefties is peak compromise of philosophy, clout and entertainment. Here can actually exist healing conversations for society. Would love to see Destiny with Chris and some of his more typical guest.
Most original comment of the day today
@@spencerantoniomarlen-starr3069 most original comeback of the day.
Funny thing about people saying Destiny talks too fast, I usually watch my videos on 1.25x speed but I listen to Destiny on regular speed 😂
What an odd view of the trad position. To think that women, even "trad" women in previous generations had a defined role in where they never work out of the home, never had input into their marriage, never was an equal partner in their families.
Never had input? Never were equal? Nah that would imply they were not cherished above all to the married men of those long ago times. Maybe I misinterpret what your meaning is?
Yea the first things he mentions are abortion and birth control aren't going away. Now I don't keep up a lot with the "trad" movement too much so I could be ridiculously wrong but all I've seen is harkening back to a more traditional relationship structure
Good talk; really enjoyed the section on opinions/actions and AI.
The part about the difference between being poor and being rich….I’m not what I consider to be “rich” but I’m better off than I’ve ever been, and I can relate to the panic of the snowballing of difficulty when one simple thing goes wrong. I experienced it so many times. Our problem as a society is mainly class related, but the self flagellating whyte rich “progressive” obsession is with race. It’s a cover for their guilt of being wealthy, they hate no only themselves, but the poor whytes who they’re terrified that they’ll become, if their financial situation changes dramatically.
Very lucid view of the situation... makes me wish I could save comments lol.
"Our problem as a society is mainly class related"
No it it not. Not even close. "Class" is just another bigoted leftist ideal. Used to create more division and hatred within society.
Our main problem as a society, is mainly state based. The state has FAR to much power and control over society. This is what makes it hard for the "poor" to build their way up the social and economic hierarchy.
@@ImWatchingYou69 Screenshots!
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No way! What a crossover. I watch you guys from two separate parts of my brain, this is so weird😂
I think this is their second episode together.
@@wolfmayner6274 He's interviewed most of my favorite people on YT so yeah I forgot about that. It feels way different now too idk
Having listened to this, it appears to me Destiny has grown up a lot in the past five or so years - this is entirely normal and to be expected. I hope he continues to grow.
Really because he looks 5'7.5 to me
@@c---R 🤣I giggled at that!
1:11:20 That sounds reminiscent of Dialectical Behavioral Therapy. Marsha Linehan, the creator of DBT, defines 'dialectical' as a "synthesis or integration of opposites."
The fundamental idea of DBT is that opposite truths can coexist and be harmonized. (Ie: I'm doing the best I can AND I want to be better). It aims to achieve a balance between empathy and acceptance while staying focused on changing problem behaviors.
Occasionally, you both have moments that articulate our moment in 2023 really well.
Sending Respect & Love your way, thanks for being flashlights in the chaos
Punchdrunk boxer is a perfect comparison when it comes to Milo and his current state of existence on the political landscape.
On men being emotionally vulnerable: Romance movies are women's porn. So when watching Hallmark channel movies watch how much the man has to be vulnerable... It isn't much, and if he was more vulnerable it feels like it would be a turnoff.
This is one of the reasons I appreciate you, Chris: You and your guests keep me guessing! Keep my mind open! Thank you!
Destiny is one of the only people I know of that I quite like, when I disagree with almost 100% of what he says. Ha ha
It's impossible to hate anyone that sounds a bit like a droll homosexual dwarf?
@@philiphudgens4726 Rather interesting way to describe him... Apt as much as I hate to admit it. I've heard his name before, but I never knew anything about him. I don't agree with him on everything, especially the Biden bit, but he did make a lot of good points.
I got hooked on him. First i thought we'd see eye to eye on many things, with time i saw the differences. But it doesn't matter, he builds his arguments well and it's entertaining to listen to, even when he doesn't change opinions
@@joeljuntunen2340 It's just nice to see someone who seems to have actually put more than two seconds of thought into a subject. Whether I agree with him or not is irrelevant. It's just refreshing to see.
Chris was so confused about the vacuum comment. "is that an euphemism?" hahahaha😂😂
I like this Destiny guy, he's very interesting
He's batsh..
Wants to ethnically cleanse white people and wants to forcefully remove all conservatives from the country.....
I love that i get so many takes on things with this and other podcasts where i can get different perspectives and not feel attacked or talked down to. and i aquire a new youtube channel to watch nearly every day.
Millionaires are made in crash, so the more stocks drop, the more I buy, in the meanwhile I'm just focused on making better investments and earning more, apparently there are strategies to 3x gains in this present market cos I read of someone that pulled a profit of $350k within 2months, and it would really help if you could make a video covering these strategies.
The strategies are quite rigorous for the regular. As a matter of fact, they are mostly successfully carried out by pros who have had a great deal of skillset/knowledge to pull such trades off.
I agree, before the pandemic got real serious, I used to handle all my investment and I was pretty good at it, fast forward to post-pandemic and my-portfolio is steady in the red with profit rate down to the lowest, that's when I touched-base with a coach I saw featured on businessweek, who restructured my portfolio and over the last couple years, I've made over $850k from initially $210K
I’m new to all this, heard it's a good time to buy and basically I've just got cash sitting duck in the bank and I’d really love to put it to good use seeing how inflation is at an all time-high, who is this coach that guides you, mind I look them up
"Jackson Sten Marsh." is the coach that guides me, you ca look him up on the web-site for further verification.
Thank you for this tip. it was easy to find your coach. Did my due diligence on him before engaging his services. He seems proficient considering him résumé.
This I disagree with his statement about traditionalism. I think a lot of that will bring us back to a sense of reality and people's self worth period. Abortion May not be going anywhere but I hope to God. It will be restricted far more than it is now.The number of babies that are murdered in North America is sickening and we worry about the number of people that get killed in wars when we oluntarily kill our own children. Medical assistance in dying. needs to be outlawed as well and we need to get back to respect for life. Governments need to stop feeding their citizens hard drugs and let that money be spent on rehabilitation.
His comment about how you don’t know if a guys cool until you see him interact with a woman is so true. I never talk about it but it’s something that I’ve just always unconsciously taken into account
And vice versa
On the talk about people caring more about words than actions, it made me think of the hogwarts legacy drama, like these people were everywhere saying that there is a trans genocide, and that by buying the game you were somehow causing it, so rather than do anything to actually help trans people, they just complained about the issue online.
I've been seeing this more and more, people saying that they care about an issue, but they don't do anything past just saying they care, it's the liberal version of "thoughts and prayers".
Destiny should take his own advice and not say Jordan lost his mind in 2018 and maybe look at the other 99% of his content from the last 5 years. He might realize they agree on almost everything lol. I love both of them and that not bc i have split personality its bc i like consistency
Yes!!
Nah, the dude went insane and never came back. Seeing his recent clips has been pure cringe. He has completely lost the plot.
Great conversation. Big fan of both you gents.
“I think Biden is doing a good job as President” what planet is this man living on?
Right, exactly.
That's one of his biggest copes. And that's saying something.
You didn't see how he "beat big pharma this year"?? By pharma having some of its most profitable years of all time?
Lowest u6 unemployment rate lowest u3 unemployment rate
Highest gdp rate.
Brought some inflation from 10 percent last year to 4.98 percent (at a time when the whole world is going through a systemic inflation spike)
Revitalized the U.S. manufacturing sector ( chips act is the most notorious of them)
Kick the crap out of China ( free balloons flew over the us under trump he did nothing)
And a lot more.
Lowest u6 unemployment rate lowest u3 unemployment rate
Highest gdp rate.
Brought down inflation from 10 percent last year to 4.98 percent (at a time when the whole world is going through a systemic inflation spike)
Revitalized the U.S. manufacturing sector ( chips act is the most notorious of them)
Kick the crap out of China ( three balloons flew over the us under trump he did nothing)
And a lot more.
Man, I don't know how I feel about Destiny these days. He's intelligent, he's quick, he correctly perceives a lot of things that most people don't and I agree with him 95% of the way there, but I just can't agree with a lot of his conclusions anymore.
That´s totally fair. Have YOU thought about the conclusions you would favor? And why?
Then watching destiny has already done you good.
can you gib examples? Im curious
@@0_oblivion_02 Watching basically anything else is a better use of his time. Destiny fans need to get out of that eco chamber sometimes.
@@alwaysright3943 Sure. "Don't fixate on one thing only! "
Gigabrain advice. You must be very intelligent. Or even better, a redpiller...
Here’s the thing I’ve learned watching destiny. At the end of the day you need to build or be part of a community that activates you to take action. I think even destiny agrees with this, and his whole goal is to activate his community to take meaningful actions to build strong community and he’s in charge of his community.
Such a great conversation. Thanks to you both.
I didn't even need to put this on 1.25 speed, but this is a great interview/conversation.
destiny is spot on @21:06 - where he knows he talks about systems, and yet acts as an individual. he genuinely carries the synthesis within himself, and this is why he's interesting. he realizes that constantly blaming the system removes one's personal agency - and this sentiment is what ive heard among the anomalies (e.g. conservative minorities had said, 'i wont accept a victim mindset').
and this is the law of the wild,
as old and as true as the sky.
and the wolf who keeps it will prosper,
but the wolf who breaks it will die!
Like the wind that circles the tree trunk,
this law runneth forward and back.
The strength of the pack is the wolf,
and the strength of the wolf is the pack.
(Rudyard Kipling)
I really hope that there would be a debate between Ben Shapiro and Destiny.
Two people who clearly love debating and overflowing with ideas and thoughts. Two people who have pretty strong conviction about their side of the ideological debate. Two people who at least even tries to understand the other side in some way shape or form. Two people who care about truth.
Benny only wants to dunk on college kids. He’s not at all interested in good faith debate. Lol
@@kalplays9922 I doubt it. He brings in a lot of non-conservative speakers on his Sunday specials.
@@akhiltrc9708 not any non-conservatives that would actually challenge him in a meaningful way. Ben Shapiro is smart but when you see him talk to people who aren't 18 year old college kids or your most basic democrat or liberal, he does not show up the way he normally might.
I'm pretty sure Ben said he won't debate him. Not sure why though.
@@jorgeenchilada He had Ana Kasparian, Matt Taibbi, Bill Maher, Bari Weiss, Russell Brand, Ezra Klein on. I think it is that the hyper liberals won’t platform themselves on his space, and not a matter of him not requesting them on for a debate. Is that last line an assumption, or is there a link to where I can see how he doesn’t appear as he normally might debating respectable liberals?
"I never played football or Basketball" I'm shocked I say, shocked!
He was too busy playing video games in preparation of being rich.
@@kirkvanallen5202 Bro, I don't care for football because of personal experience and the obvious consequences of it. But Madden is huge and Warren Sapp and others play it. Musk played computer games as a kid and he was picked on. Just because you play video games doesn't mean you have to be an anti-physical competition beta.
I've been on both sides.
The left- no sex, no humour, no future.
The right- wow, sex is so much simpler, there's laughter, family and employers like you.
It's that simple.
Based and retardpilled.
Take a look at incel forums, they’re all right wingers bro
@@gyytgy3330 I'm sure the left is known to be sexually degenerate..that implies alot of sex..
@@gyytgy3330 nah I think that's an oversimplification. I came from a small redneck town and I highly doubt anybody is on reddit in that town
Can someone link that article they were discussing? Thank you!
The food we’re eating and the prolonged social media usage is ruining us.
Gotta throw plastics leaking into us in there
Good team. It was interesting to hear Destiny mention the change in political behavior, I used to think he was sort of "meh" when he was debating Sargon back in the days, but these days I've actually started to like him, despite his some of his mad theories, and it's probably just because of his change in political behavior, like he said.
Great episode Chris; really enjoyed it.
Great conversation. Whats the issue with Wales?
I'm not usually a fan of Destiny, don't really go to a stripper to hear about political philosophy and the like, but I gotta admit, this intro, that first minute, that's a solid opener. +1.
Imagine a world in which all liberals were as reasonable as he in this conversation.
Most reasonable leftie.
As someone who is overall more on the left than him I'm still so fucking desperate for reasonable philosophical leftists who don't view everything as a fucking tug of war where winning always comes before seeking truth.
I'm sure they exists but the sphere of people with more clout is so fucking barren of them.
This center/center right "academic kinda anti woke" bubble has a lot of potential for good but that won't be achieved if it's just the school of Heidt, Peterson and the likes talking with each others with no counterparts from the left joining them.
Love Destiny in this context. He’s my political opposite but his clarity of thinking is top notch. A real pleasure to hear this.
This guy has zero clarity of thinking when attempting to describe the mindset of his political opposite.
@@chandleranderson373 I think he gets far closer than most on the left
@@chandleranderson373 U mean like comment?
@@IBoughtItMyself That’s not a very high bar to clear.
@@chandleranderson373 I would bet 100 bucks that he can make your points better than you could yourself. Destiny is usually very good in understanding and accurately representing his opponents views.
Simple:
Conservatives don't live in concrete cesspits.
All that open space and high rates of obesity
god i love living in the middle of nowhere. makes it a lot easier to rape my cousin and have more incest babies.
I mean connected have higher rates of childhood pregnancy, higher rates of obesity, higher rates of childhood poverty, higher rates of dropping out of highschool.
But at least they don't live in cities. I think the answer is probably more complex than that.
And yet research constantly shows people are much happier in rural communities. Happiness may not come from what we are told it should come from.
@@johnschmidt1262 I actually looked that up and there's not much of a link between rural living and urban living. Or rather the difference is very minor. People in cities and rural areas report depression at similar rates, and suicide rates are also similar.
I disagree with Destiny on a lot of stuff. I agree with Destiny on a lot of stuff. I'm just consistently surprised at how he can give a nuanced and reasonable take one breath and then go completely off the rails in the next.
and you never considered that he might have been off the rails in the former, or you are off the rails in the latter?
you already acknowledge that you disagree with him on a lot of stuff, how is it surprising then?
No need to suck destiny's D in the comments bro you're not underage he won't date you @derunkle
Perhaps your world view is evolving
Agreed he’ll say something like you should always take steps to limit your bias. Next minute he’s saying Biden is the best ever
@@DerUnbekannte I am not so dumb as to think that I don't suffer from cognitive biases like everyone else, but that fact should not prevent me from calling out Destinies own biases in action. An example in this conversation is noting that women are becoming more masculine, so the proper thing is for men to become more feminine. The first part is determinable (though I disagree with the phrasing), but the second is a drastic leap of logic. It's kind of like saying oranges are round so that means apples should be more like bananas. It's something that sounds like it should make sense, but is actually baseless social constructivist gobbledygook.
It's strange but I find that I like Destiny way more depending on who he is talking to. When the atmosphere is neutral or friendly I actually tend to like his commentary. But whenever he talks to anyone from Twitch or he's ranting at the camera reacting to some TH-cam video I can't stand him lol. He's usually saying much the same thing but it's crazy how much of a difference tone makes with this guy.
Beautifully put together podcast my G. Top tier lighting and composition. Thoughtful editing. Lot's of love put into the overall production, which elevates the actual content. I'm a long time Destiny subscriber, so there's obviously lot's I disagree with being expressed in this community/chat but it's impolite walk into such a clean house with dirty shoes, so immo reserve my vehement opposition to some of the thoroughly unhinged commentary here, and focus on the positives. Will be subbing 👌🏽
I’I’m not a Destiny fan, however I value conversion and appreciate his willingness to go on more conservative/moderate podcasts.
I’m not a fan of destiny, but I like him and appreciate his perspective. Chris is simply awesome. I’m a big fan
Whats the study theyre referencing at 27:00?
wow this was really good, Destiny is pretty good faith for someone on the solid left side of the fence
Calling it now: When in the fullness of time it becomes abundantly clear that the Nick & Ye collab never actually ended, Destiny will not acknowledge how utterly wrong he was.
I'm not saying you're wrong but how do you know the collab hasn't ended?
@@The1Liner A) Because I believe Nick, and B) for the past 6 years every single time a naysayer has made a pessimistic prediction or proclamation about Nick, he/she has been proven wrong.
@@BezoRazo fair
@@BezoRazo yet... Ye is still just a crazy dude and he is being used for attention because he is famous and made himself a spectacle.
Also it's hilarious to act like Nick has really accomplished anything to show he outperformed the doubters or whatever. He just stuck around spewing the same old bullshit and there's a bunch of fools out there that keep listening.
Not a cult
Regarding how the marketplace functioned in the past, I suggest Dr. Robert Briffault's "The Mothers."
Remember guys, Destiny literally has said on record
‘Jordan Peterson only makes descriptive claims. He never makes normative claims’
In other words, Destiny thinks Jordan Peterson merely describes things and doesn’t offer any solutions or morals (shoulds and shouldn’ts)
Let that sink in.
So take his opinion with a massive grain of salt
That’s exactly what JP does though. Don’t look to him for answers.
Destiny can't interact maturely with someone he's denoted an enemy, though he's definitely not as bad as he was with this when Jordan Peterson became popular, it's still there.
@@stevenm732 he gives answers on things he has answers too, mostly practical advice on how individuals can improve their life and mental health. He gives less solutions to the complex social and political problems, which i don't see a problem with. They are hard problems and there are no clear solutions, I'd prefer he stay honest than delude himself into thinking he has all the answers
@@queball685 exactly, there are no solutions, only tradeoffs.
Sowell
funny because destiny said if you are a guy above 20 and you have trouble talking to girls. You are screwed because you didn’t start talking to girls in high school. He says a bunch of stupid stuff like this.
Watch you both a lot, enjoyed the conversation!
Lol at the thumbnail. What a flattering shot y’all chose of Steven. 😂
Anyone have a link to the meme mentioned at 51:49?
Comment so someone can see. I looked for it on twitter and couldn't find anything
Ah shit i know the exact one but there’s no way I could dig out a link, it’s a couple years old
It’s essentially a bunch of tweets of communists saying they couldn’t buy a gun cuz if they did they would kill themselves with it
I enjoyed this alot. Thanks Chris and Destiny.
The only Biden shill left
Nope. Biden has a 40% approval rating right now. He's probably heading for reelection.
Fantastic episode. Great discussion!
This was an interesting discussion. Good job.
I'd argue part of the fragility to stress is from increased competition and more options with higher standards. You have a larger range of options and it's harder to compete to a cozy state
But what are you arguing? Those are descriptive statements.
@Dio Brando @Dio Brando sorry if I wasn't clear, im arguing that the decreased tolerance to stress or "fragility" towards stress is more than:
Weakness of the youth
Internet Addiction
Different Ideology that brings in facility to stress
Ect
All of those things I do consider factors, but I feel some factors ignored, especially in this talk, are the higher living standards and increased competition from stronger liberalism, progressivism, and technology.
People today, especially the young, have a high investment to compete for what is higher than traditionally socially excepted standard of living. They have to compete in markets boosted with greater and cheaper freedom of movement, wider spread and more instant communications, and more globally centralized corporate/economic/cultural/educational institutions. All of this culminates in an increased choice paralyzation and a greater stress to maintain the successes of the path they are already on.
I'm arguing that the stress fragility is influenced and likely highly influenced by changes in the western world over the past generations. Yes the youth need to figure out ideologies and lifestyles that will help navigate the stress, but I feel it's a case of having to carry the cross. Its an ill you need to get better at but it's likely not going to go away cause you got better at it
@@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756 Well sure, but most people say that without thinking of what kids are going through, or how they have fun
@Dio Brando I mean sure, but it shows a bit of a lack of empathy or understanding when specifically talking about the problems of today and the kids these days.
I'm not really dogging here though, just adding to the convo
@@assortmentofpillsbutneverb3756 Agreed. I was just wondering if you were wanting to advocate for anything.
I often find myself aligning with views that are currently considered conservative, even though in my home state I'm considered a liberal by the locals(I had a brief stint in Chicago where I was actually called alt-right). Two of my closest friends are people with polar opposite beliefs. One thinks California is doing everything right(guns should be banned in whole, etc), and the other one is a self described communist. We have our different views, but we still respect each other and our differing views. I'm sure to a certain extend we all just think that a subsection of each others views are faulty, but we know we've all put thought into why we feel what we feel is correct. We do snipe at each other every now and again, but I feel that it comes from the classic masculine 'trolling each other', akin to standard male bonding pre-2015.
The thing which I think allows this to happen is that we all grew up together; we've had a long time to develop a respect for one another over a long time. These days, the social circles of people, I feel, are often boundaried by political lines. I can see the singular merits to my friend's beliefs, even if I disagree with them on the whole. This is what is missing from current year political debate. It's not "You make good points on X, but are lacking on reasoning for Y", it's become "You believe X, so you must also think that Y is true, and Z is just destructive to our current society."
This is a good conversation. I have trouble following Destiny because he talks really quickly and jumps around a lot. I like him, he seems really kind. I disagree with some of his ideas, but I’m glad he’s willing to talk openly. I personally think conservatives are happier because they tend to feel that they are personally responsible for becoming successful and rely less on others. You can only control yourself and you cannot control other people. If you feel empowered, you will be empowered. Also, conservatives tend to be religious more often. Having faith in a higher power gives you somewhere to turn when things in life are difficult, to help you overcome hard times.
Faith is big.
God gives suffering meaning.
I’d agree with progressives that there are wider systems that collectively advantage some over others unfairly but it’s not something you should be defined by. Recognizing injustice is good and you can advocate for change because of that but progressives bring it into their personal lives to an unhealthy extent. As an individual you are ultimately responsible for your outcomes.
H's definitely not kind, and he only talks to people from different bubbles to his, because he wants the notoriety and to grow his channel. He goes on different "arcs" because he gets bored with a particular plaything and wants something different to fill his content. He's a very intelligent guy no doubt, but I wouldn't say he's a good person particularly.
You mean conservative men rely less on others . Yet they expect the conservative women to rely completely and be submissive to their conservative husbands.
Destiny is one of the few from the left I can listen to. Even though I disagree often, I feel that it's worth hearing his side.
I just watched that debate and Milo is absolutely mimicing the oratory style of Christopher Hitchens. He was speaking nonsense, but it was almost persuasive in how he delivered it. I really don't know how anyone can take that guy serious at this point.
1:32:20 Moore's original law, transistors doubling every 1.5 years, broke a while ago. That happened when we had to swap to multi-core processors. Then it started being more 2 years, and total possible output instead of transistor count (fun fact, just like you can't use more than 10-20% of your brain at a time, you can't use all of a processor at a time, because it'll overheat immediately and die. It's called "Dark Silicon"). It's also starting to look like we're hitting the physical limits for real now. The smallest chips we have on market right now are 3 nm, but here's the fun fact: A silisium atom has the size of 0.2nm, meaning that if you have 2nm, you have 10 atoms. You have no idea how utterly insane this is, and I would not be surprised if we're hitting a point, or if we already hit it, where the failure rate in production is higher than the performance gain. Also, when the number of atoms shrink to this point, there's the problem of quantum mechanics coming into play. Tunnelling and other problems. Personally, I think 5 nm will be the standard for high performance (computers and smartphones), and 14 nm for cheaper circuitry.
TL;DR: Moore's law is basically dying right now, we're seeing the plateau appearing. Transistor count is reaching its peak and it's probable that we won't produce much more powerful PC's than we have today, they'll just be a bit cheaper.
Good content, ending felt abrupt though
such a great conversation. but thoughts with the advent of chat gtp. i think it is finally time to step away from the internet. it has been beautiful growing up with it from and being such an essential part of my life during my teen years (15 years ago). so many good memories, but lately, especially the past 5 years something has drastically change with the culture of the internet. the nail in the coffin is going to be chat gtp. i just know this is a change that i don't want to be apart of. lucky my career exists exclusively offline so im grateful for that.
and its great for you to have destiny on your podcast. i have heard him on other podcasts i follow. even though i do not agree with a lot of his views, i still appreciate his intelligence and good points. have more guests like him please! it makes for more dynamic and interesting conversations.
good episode!
I really like Destiny and agree with most of what he says but I've realised what stops me liking him. It is his lack of a warrior code. I would not like him to back me up in a bar fight or have him in my platoon. This sounds misogynistic but I believe we trust people who understand battle and would follow those who have been in battle. If you don't understand combat you can never truly understand yourself...and in closing you could never understand the human spirit
Prove me wrong
Getting rid of abortion is not "trad", It's just consistent.
Great conversation. Thanks.
The answer to the title is very very simple. Taking too little responsibility.
Products of a nanny society.
Does Chris ever reference the papers he talks about? Are we supposed to just trust his interpretations or is it on his website somewhere?
Milo thinks he is Oscar Wilde and he's really just Dorian Gray.
Destiny has grown so much. He knows so much more now and genuinely thought about what he learned and now he is giving great genuine opinions.
Right. Bring references and reciepts.
I’m a conservative. However, I think Destiny does the best at arguing for the other side. He has the verbal IQ of Ben Shapiro. Watch him on 1.5 for your head to explode.
What I appreciate about Destiny is that he doesn't run away from debate, and is willing to engage in a discussion with pretty much anyone. You don't see much of that from the online left today so huge props for that.
I want him to debate Ben Shapiro, so it can sound like two machine guns firing at each other.
I used to think the same until I started watching his content consistently he thinks guys like David Goggins, Jordan Peterson, Elon musk, Andrew Tate are corny yet he lets his wife sleep with other men. He lives very hedonistic lifestyle being a 24/7 gamer and sex addict but gets defensive when confronted about it, he also encourages people to have victim mindset.
@@ChickFenwick Ben dont do debates, he only "destroys" college kids.
@@ChickFenwick and have Theo Von be the moderator to balance it out lol
This conversation is a perfect example of how the left and the right agree on the problems but disagree on the solutions. (I know left and right isn't a great descriptor)
I've seen this a lot. Unfortunately a lot of people out there just hit a wall and immediately jump to "taxes bad!" and "government only makes things worse!" so they might only offer solutions that end up being pure BS stuff, like "the invisible hand of the markets will regulate everything" (as if we've ever seen uncontrolled capitalism end without disaster) or "remove government involvement entirely". It's one thing if you're fixing bad legislation and regulations with new versions, but you're not "solving" anything by saying "get rid of it all!" as a knee-jerk response. Then you have dopes saying "Keep the government out of my Medicare!"