People forget that when the MCU started they never thought they were going to have Spider-Man. When that changed, they had to find a way to insert him and it would make sense. Tony absolutely would’ve been the one to find him.
Yeah people forget that whole Sony/Marvel deal. They were in the middle of filming Civil War and they had to rush Spider-man in the movie just in time and they killed it. Could've they have waited and give him a proper movie? Sure but...it's FREAKING SPIDER-MAN lol.
I don’t think anyone forgot about I mean you can’t have the mcu with out Spider-Man we all knew he was going to be introduced eventually we just didn’t know when.
MCU Spidey's been cool with me since Civil War. Tom's movies got issues. So did Tobey's & Andrew's. Still love them. Maybe I'm more forgiving of the movies. Maybe I don't go into things ready to dislike them. Or maybe I'm just a big Spider-Man fan. And no version is my favorite. Each one's got something to offer
You're absolutely correct sir .. also, on a pure nostalgia basis i still lean towards Tobey's Spidey bcz that's the adaptation that introduced Spidey to me but looking back at all the adaptations I've went through..the most accurate one is probably Insomniac's Spidey.. just my opinion tho
I personally never understood why some people bash him for not being a "hardened" spiderman like Tobey's interpretation. I think people forget how young Peter is in these films, realistically a kid his age would still be very optimistic that he could balance out his superhero and normal life without any consequences.
I love how the three main villains ( Vulture , Mysterio and Green Goblin ) gradually set up Peter's journey into true spider man . Each one tested his responsibility in different ways . Also , I love how those villains respond to Peter's charachter and personality . Vulture sees Peter's morality and tries to reason with him. Mysterio sees Peter's morality and uses it for his own benefit Green Goblin sees Peters morality and turnes it against him
I love the MCU Spider-Man! I have never understood the hate that he gets. I have enjoyed all of his three solo films and I loved his dynamic with Tony Stark. To me, Tom Holland was the perfect choice for Spider-Man. I was so glad that they went for somebody very young for a change and was able to do his own stunts which was very refreshing. No Way Home is the best of Holland's trilogy for sure IMO, it may have flaws don't get me wrong but it was so good and such an enjoyable movie especially at the cinema. It was my favourite movie of 2021. I disagree with you about the music. I love Michael Giacchino's music for these movies and I love his theme. When I got out of seeing No Way Home, I was humming the theme as I was walking back to my car so it's memorable to me.
@@stewart296 A lot of it is just nitpicky stuff like Ned not using the sling ring to bring in more Spideys other than Tobey and Andrew and Venom not being in the final battle, no Kirsten Dunst or Emma Stone cameos or Daredevil not helping out Spidey to defeat the villains. I don't know people are always going to find something to complain about with this movie, I mean look at Vee Infuso's review of it recently.
@@stewart296 the only concrete one would be the dr strange spell and no way home juggling too many characters. Nothing really bad like no way home did it way better than Spider-Man 3 and tasm 2.
People give the movies crap about the connections to other MCU characters, while I get the reasonings for it but that's what separates this Spider-Man from the other two which I love. As a kid watching the Raimi movies (and many other Marvel and DC movies) I kind of hated how...empty the worlds felt to me. I love a big world with different superhero characters that can have connections with each other. Hell, Spider-man's first issue comic is a Fantastic Four crossover lmaoo.
MCU Spiderman is finally complete as it should be. He is on his own. I love this version the most and I believed that he is gonna prove himself, which he did with the ultimate sacrifice. Tobey was my introduction to spiderman, loved Andrew preformance and his special charm. Holands next trilogy is gonna be a banger. And please make TASM 3, guy deserves it.
Tom Holland is my fave spidey by quite a mile for me and I think it is because it is a dumb teenager learning to be spiderman. Cannot wait for his next trilogy (I am assuming there will be at this point).
I think it is impressive that this trilogy is one of the two good MCU trilogies alongside Captain America (all of the rest have at least 1 bad or below average movie) and personally I like Spider-Man's more than Cap's.
Sorry to anyone who doesn’t, but I love the MCU Spider-Man trilogy. I think Tom does some outstanding acting. He’s a talent, people forget he has a film history from when he was quite young and one thing for sure is that he has range. In NWH all the returning characters could have drowned him out, but it didn’t, throughout all the great performances Tom was phenomenal especially in his emotional delivery.
I love MCU Spiderman its in its own their can't be compared to others really completely different movies , but the homecoming trilogy is all about Peter and Spiderman accepting himself and being a better spider man , homecoming all about getting approval from iron man as a avenger accepts he ain't ready for that responsibility , far from home , in the shadow of iron man people wanting to replace iron man with him and being to scared Todo and pushs it off till he can't and becomes his own hero , then no way home is all about moving forward and meeting the other Spiderman and knowing how awesome he really is and can be and tryna be like them instead of someone else ,
Yeah I never got the hate around Zendaya as MJ either. Sure she's different but it seemed like it was done to differentiate from Tobeys movies more so than it was to cast any specific type of person. She did great. I do think if they bring her back it would be great if she had come out of her shell and was doing modeling or something and looking more like Zendaya looks irl since it would line up a bit more with the Mary Jane rendition of MJ but I liked what we got either way.
The argument that MCU Spidey is just Iron Man Jr is one I've never personally agreed with. Yeah, it's not wrong, he is definitely reliant on Stark tech to a degree, but apart from Far From Home, he doesn't really overuse it. The whole point of the Stark suit in Homecoming was that it was kind of overpowered, and in the end he was able to beat Vulture with his homemade suit amd his own skill. Far From Home does have him somewhat reliant on E.D.I.T.H and his upgraded suit in the climax, but it still never really bothered me. No Way Home definitely does a good job of establishing this MCU Spidey as his own hero. Another criticism was the lack of an origin story and no real mention of Uncle Ben. Until No Way Home, I agreed with this, but looking back, this whole trilogy can be seen as his origin story, with each film teaching him more about what it takes to be Spider-Man, starting with the whole "If you're nothing without this suit", and ending with the iconic "With great power", so you could see the usage of that line as what establishes this as his origin story I guess idk. TL;DR, Not Iron Man Jr, MCU Spider-Man good
Your presentation of your opinions is very professional. "Here's my opinion. I understand why you would think different" It shows that you understand its subjectivity and you don't present it as your opinion is the sole truth
One thing I like about Tom Holland's Spider-Man is that he actually wants to save people first and foremost and you can feel that in this trilogy more than the others I feel like, he doesn't let his villains die and makes actual sacrifices. People praise Spider-Man 2 til the cows come home but honestly I feel the movie is antithetical to what Spider-Man is about and shows him acting selfishly and having to learn to be Spider-Man TWICE and all over one girl (who isn't even that interesting imo) while Tom consistently puts things that matter to him behind to do the right thing. I also think Tom's trilogy has the best villains in the series.
I disagree with the part about him learning to be Spider-Man twice. Now I haven’t seen the Raimi movies in a while so I could be wrong about what I’m about to say. Spider-Man 1 was learning “with great power comes great responsibility” and Spider-Man 2 was learning about the repercussions of such responsibilities and how much you should sacrifice for said responsibilities. I personally see those as two different lessons and journeys. Yes Peter acts selfishly but that’s part of the story, that’s part of him learning to sacrifice what he wants. Which to me is quintessentially Spider-Man, he isn’t Spider-Man because it’s fun (though sometimes it is) or because it makes his life easier, he isn’t even Spider-Man because he WANTS to be, he’s Spider-Man because he HAS to be, no matter how selfish he WANTS to be he HAS to be Spider-Man.
@@critique0767 both things can be true. What you said is facts and I like how you described it. They are two different things in certain aspects. But some of that does kind of double as him learning to be spider man a second time. I mean he throws the whole suit away and literally stops being spiderman. And he has to be motivated later on from Mary Jane getting snatched up, and there was that speech may gave to him earlier about there being a hero in everyone. I mean you gotta give it to Tom on that one.. lost everything in the third movie and went straight to his new apartment. Made a new suit and immediately started spider manning again. We never saw tobey deal with anything crazy like that. He quit for less. There’s still aspects about tobeys trilogy that are better than toms but Tom got it in this scenario.
@@julian2238 Yeah that makes sense. I guess I was looking at “learning to be Spiderman” in a more literal sense than what was meant. Btw I wasn’t trying to discredit Toms Spider-Man or anything, just pointing out something I disagreed with. I think all incarnations of Spider-Man are valid and have something that connects them to different people.
Yeah but you always have someone who pushes Tom to make the sacrifice, In FFH nick fury basically forces him to go and fight the villains and he wasnt even gonna do it he was gonna let the others handle the job and he needs a break I get it but to make the protagonist not do anything until hes forced or encouraged to do so is very boring, I found FFH peter one of the most boring versions of the character, Hes grieving so he takes a trip where he doesnt have to be spider man and spend time with his friends but then villains appear and he just doesnt do anything until hes forced to involve himself by Nick and the others thats not peter parker. Again correct me if im wrong no one even mentions peter just disappearing for a few days on a school trip?? Like they couldve had him go through those problems and still step up to stop the villains.
@@DegenerateJay can’t believe they had originally planned Bruce Campbell planned as mysterio for Spider-Man 4, that would have been awesome like a foreshadowing of how he showed up in every Raimi Spider-Man movie. Although Sony releasing venom and morbius pretty much shows they have no way of launching a live action movie universe yet.
Do you know what annoys me people list J Jonah Jameson as evil when he is not he is simply a journalist who does not like Spider-Man. I have seen good to evil videos where he is ranked with the villains. At worst he is neutral but he is not he is a pretty good guy.
@@kingdomcomesuperman3669 Yes he is not evil even in the MCU he wants to take down who he thinks is a dangerous criminal and in Rami he has a solid base since Spider-Man did rob him (stealing his suit back). Remember he also stole that guys pizza so he is justified in the Rami universe and he thinks Spider-Man is a guy who got away with murder so he is justified there.
@@Piplupz01 That is the comics in every appearance of Jameson which these videos are placed on he is ranked with the villains. And from what I can gather Jameson was always legally in the right when he did by creating Scorpion not knowing he was crazy
I thought the-humor in homecoming was funny. but to be fair I thought the majority of mcu films were funny buts that's my type of humor. the witty banter stuff always has entraining vibes to it I like. granted humor is subjective so I understand, different strokes for different folks anyways I like toms spiderman I think the mcu version despite the fact of him not being poor,homemade suit, a lot of help with the tech stuff from stark, I think his personality was the closet to the comics and cartoon version.
As someone who had the privilege of growing up with all three Spider-Men, I absolutely adore all of these movies. They're not all the same and they all have their flaws, but they're entertaining in different ways but also very similar ways. I wish that people would just stop pissing on Tobey or Andrew or Tom. They're all great. It's great to have an opinion, but you don't need to be an asshole or blindly hate shit for no reason. It's not funny or cool.
The stupidest criticism is the cgi as every Spider-Man swinging and action scene has been cgi under every director. The only majorly practical effects in place of cgi superhero films are probably the batman movies.
Ill b honest jay u have made some good points abt both movies that opened my eyes 2 feel i judged them 2 hardly. Homecoming I already liked(despite having my own issues with) however FFH is a different story. Jake Gyllenhaal was fine my obly issues were the forced relationship between pete and mj it kinda came outta nowhere like u said she shoulda been introduced earlier. Aunt may was kinda a wast 4 me i wish she woulda played a bigger part in the movie. Lastly the web swinging scenes were not really memorable( imo) same with this peter he makes quite a few dumb choices, overall tho good review on both movies.
I think some of the people who have criticisms for these movies get automatically put into the 'hate these movies' categories when they really don't. Not all of us are toxic 'Raimi only' fans. Personally, I find Far From Home one of the most enjoyable MCU movies . . . and yet still find it a frustrating Spider-man movie. Outside of Mysterio, there just doesn't seem to be serious concern about source material, about who Peter in the comics is. It misses the context of the Spider-Man themes. And it redoes the development that Homecoming already handled quite well. So while I in no way think it's a bad movie, I just don't view it on par with SM 1&2, TASM, HC, NWH and ItSV as far as a Spidey film.
I always hated that some fans think that the MCU Spiderman is Iron boy jr. All because he has a good relationship with him, and he's nothing like his other incarnation before him, but you know what. Not all Spiderman should be like the 60's comics or Tobey Maguire. It's supposed to be different. Seriously. I'm sick of reading comments on TH-cam and other websites about some fans who don't like the MCU Spiderman because they don't like something new and different when it's so obvious. Because the whole superhero concept changed a lot as the years go by, it can't stay the same thing theirs always something different from any franchise, some could be good, and some can be bad. It all depends on the people who make it. It does make sense that this version of Spider-Man in that universe is a fan. Where superheroes already existed. So he is already a fan of the Avengers (specifically Iron Man when he saves his life in Iron Man 2), and he idolizes Tony Stark as a technological visionary. So, of course, he does not want to let him down after he came into his life not only being his mentor but also as a second father figure after his Uncle Ben passed away. I'm sure that is the same thing for anyone meeting their idols or working with them for the first time and trying not to screw it up. Plus, Spiderman has always looked up to other superheroes in other iterations. Also, in a way, Tony Stark is the perfect candidate to be the next Uncle Ben for Peter! I'm not saying that Tony Stark is the new Uncle Ben! Tony Stark will always be Tony Stark, and Uncle Ben will always be Uncle Ben. They are two wildly different characters. What I am trying to say is. That Tony fills the Uncle Ben role for MCU Peter. He's a role model and a second father figure to him. I think it's an intriguing spin to the usual story we already knew because we know Tony so well and add a lot to their relationship. Whether you like it or not. You have at least appreciated that they tried something new here. Besides, I would rather have Spiderman as the next Iron Man because it makes lots of sense for Tony Stark to pass the touch to Peter. After all, he knew Peter could be a better person and a hero than he will ever be than someone like Riri Williams, who showed up out of nowhere and stole the mantel from him because of Kevin Feige, the writer, and some toxic fans. Of all the people who have a connection to Tony Stark, they had to go with someone who has the littlest connection to him as his successor. If I were in charge of the company, I would go with someone like his best friend, his wife, his daughter, or his protege, any one of those people are a better hero and worthy successor than Riri would ever be. Who's nothing more than some petty thief who steals something that was never hers, to begin with, nor has she ever earned it, while also trying to seek attention, hog up the spotlight, and act like she is better than everyone, just like a spoiled brat. Honestly, Peter or Morgan should have been Iron Man's successor instead of someone like Riri. Honestly, do they have to put Iron Heart in the MCU? She is just a cheap knock-off, a woke token character, and a Mary Sue. In my opinion, she doesn't bring in anything in the MCU, other than the writers wanted more female characters, and just because she was in the comics, it doesn't mean they have to put her in the MCU. Also, the writers had some changes in their universe that were different from the comics. Rather than bringing in more random characters that have no connection to the Avengers, than being saved by one of them or wanting to be like them, just like Kate Bishops in Hawkeye, because she has no place in the MCU. Also, just like Kate Bishops, if anyone who deserves to become the next Iron Man is his daughter or his protégé Spider-Man. Not another random fangirl who wants to be their favorite hero. I mean, we already have Kate Bishops and Mrs. Marvel. I do not want to see another random fangirl who wants to be a hero. That has no connection to anything. Other than some lame excuse that she was in the comics. So they have to put her in the MCU. Also, I did some research about her. She's considered one of the most hated characters in the franchise.
Yeah homecoming liz would be underwhelming I guess cuz a teenage crush is usually quite anti climactic like how homecoming depicted it. Also yeah the school characters being silly and teen dramedy style kinda reinforces Pete’s disinterest in being a normal kid and wanting to be taken seriously as a superhero by tony stark.
Tom Holland's movies aren't really a trilogy, because you need the two Avengers movies and Civil War to understand more about him. The Holland movies sort of require you to watch other MCU movies.
i personally really really dislike the ending of no way home, but literally everyone else likes it :| spoil warning i really enjoy this mj and this peter but they did away with that relationship and ALL of the character development in 1 swoop and that bothers me so much, just when their relationship was starting to get cute and you want to root for them to stay together and use MJ for stakes then they take all of that and then some away, i really wanted to like this movie and i loved every bit of it even though the latter half had some GOOFY pacing but thats just the nail in the coffin that makes me kind of hate it. i dont know, they will probably find some way to bring them back together in the next movie but im going to judge this movie on its merit alone and i personally think the movie is good but the ending is really horrible, let me know what you think i would love to be convinced otherwise i want to like this movie so bad
I think the fact that the ending didn't suit to you reflects how heavy Peter's sacrifice is in the movie. Also it reflects real life choices where you have to make a decision in your life which you don't like but you know its for the greater good. This sacrifice also show Peter being selfless. I think thats one of the point of his character since in the comics when he decided to be a prick it cost him his uncle's life. It is also similar to his mentor's action which is Iron man's sacrifice, since in endgame his life is good he had a family and a simple lifestyle. Yet he sacrificed himself to do the right thing. Finally, this is his mess he had to take responsibility to what he did and this is the price. If the ending was all good and happy for the both of them i think it will undermine his sacrifice and the story itself. If you still dislike the movie its okay not everything will get liked and its not a bad thing for someone to dislike a movie except maybe to those who haven't touch grass.
The only thing I didn’t like about the Spider-Man MCU movies is that they always force other heroes into his films. I like it better when Spider-Man is solo in his stories. It’s similar to some of Superman’s movies. They always force Batman into it.
I personally liked it because it was a lot like those old Spiderman team up books like Spiderman/doctor strange. that's really different for a Spiderman movie. we've had like five solo Spiderman movies before this I'm glad the mcu gave people something a little different.
That is true not only that Tom technically doesn't even have his own enemies in homecoming and far from home he is fighting Tony's "Villains" guys that Tony pissed off or hurt and I really don't like that
I don't really get why people wanted Spidey in the MCU if they didn't want him interacting with and meeting other MCU heroes etc in his stories. At that point why not just keep him out of the MCU?
@@visionary1138 no no don’t misunderstand me. I do enjoy a brief visit from another hero. I’m not foaming at the mouth in anger about it lol 😆 . I just don’t like it when they have Spider-Man rely on other heroes too much. Iron Man didn’t get any help from any other heroes in his first movie. Same with the captain America and the hulk.
Second the original Spider-Man Comics Peter was a 16 kid so it’s not that he’s a kid it’s that Tom didn’t have his own footing in his other two movies and I’m glad no way home finally gave him that footing he needed at the end of the movie
@@visionary1138 Also the original Spider-Man comics were taking place in the early days of Marvel when characters were establishing themselves and crossovers weren't quite as common anyways. Now if you pick up any Spider-Man comic there's a good chance there's villains from someone else or other heroes showing up just like in the MCU since it's such a connected world.
@@visionary1138 by himself after homecoming the same thing pretty much happened again in far from only difference was a bigger treat which ended up being fake but if he found his footing he would’ve been on his own but in no way home he still didn’t understand for god sake he gave up being Spider-Man a lot of people compare ultimate comics to Tom but he’s noting like Tom he never gave up being Spider-Man to enjoy his teenage life people in his life left him cuz he didn’t want to stop being Spider-Man and even mj broke up with him in the ultimate comics cuz goblin almost killed her she was traumatized cuz ultimate goblin broke the bridge hell he did a lot of stuff on his own, hell ultimate Spider-Man hated help from other heroes most of the time cuz they didn’t understand the situation like how the ultimates jump green goblin trying to kill him after Harry and Peter wanted them to stop cuz they was using Harry
Main Comics Peter hasn't really been anything like Tom's though. He went through stuff a lot more frequently than Tom's, and they basically glossed over High school. Almost all of main Peter's stories are him in College/fresh out of college. In that way, Tobey's were pretty accurate. They went through high school quickly, and headed into College. In the end, Tom at the end of NWH is perfect. Just wished we had seen a Parker in the MCU like THAT from the beginning.
You’re the only person on the internet who has nearly the same opinion as me like, i like the team aspect i like tony stark in the movies and i like the villains, peter is a kid things like that
I love Spider Man, I enjoyed the Sam Raimi Spider Man series, I enjoyed the amazing spider man series, I absolutely adore the MCU Spider Man series which I consider it the best Spider Man movie trilogy and superhero trilogy ever in my personal opinion. I am so glad that Spidey joined the Marvel Cinematic Universe since 2015/2016, I was a 12 years old Kid when Captain America Civil War came out, the number one reason why I wanted to watch the movie so bad is because of spider man, my favorite childhood superhero character of all time. He was perfect. Homecoming, Far From Home and No Way Home are totally Spectacular in my opinion. The perfect coming of age superhero story. I am so glad that Marvel Studios and Sony have the balls to reinvent and modernizes Spider Man and his mythos while keeping the very spirit of what made Spider Man so lovable in the first place.
My issue with Holland's Spider-Man is that he worked better when he was with other MCU heroes, he had issues being his own man in his own movies. No Way Home at least got Spider-Man being the focal point right, whereas the first two movies were all about how every bad guy hates Tony Stark because they need to.
things i dislike about homecoming and far from home is that peter parker dosent feel like a 16 year old to me its closer to a 13 year old. and the acting and the energy these people have feels so not realistic, specially in FFH FFH feels like a disney channel film to me ( like a teen movie ) the humor the acting just everything about FFH i dislike. What i mean by that is that homecoming and FFH cant have any emotional Weight and depth, everytime they have a chance to crack a joke in they do. and the lack of consequences Peter gets in these movies also throws me off ( sry for my bad english, its not my primary language ) and in NHW he actually suffer the consequence of his actions and he is acting more like his age now and i really love that peter actually wanted to save the villians instead of just letting DS kill them that feels more like civil war peter parker to me and just overall like peter parker. But now they have basically reboot/fixed him kinda and im optimistic about whats going to happend next for the mcu spidey
The thing I didn't really like about these films are that Tom's peter/spider-man quips aren't that good. Tobey's quips were rare and when they did happen they were very cheesy, some people bring up meme lines or funny scenes from those films rather than intentional quips; an example is "you're trash Brock.", "My Back", "I missed the part where that's my problem". Andrew's quips felt the closest to Spider-Man but the world those films tried the build did sour it for me. Tom's quips range from shocked reaction, being too polite, or just being awkward; Civil War did him a little bit better but not enough in my opinion.
"I missed the part where that's my problem" is antithetical to Spider-Man as a character and only works as the origin of something that's more despicable than funny. I think Tom just doesn't get as many opportunities to quip as the stakes in his films are pretty high but that's true for all of them.
@@excalibur2772 I agree with you on the Tom argument but I mentioned that quote you brought up as an example of people making funny/meme moments from the Raimi movies count as quips when they weren't meant to be quips in the first place; another example of this is when Tobey is crying over uncle ben, it isn't meant to be funny but people meme it to death.
The music in the Homecoming movies were pretty mediocre until No Way Home. No Way Home is just filled with actual masterpieces of music and I think its second to the Avengers tracks. Captain America also has some good tracks in the first movie, Doctor Strange also has some great pieces, and The Guardians of the Galaxy movies are really smooth musically. But I do see your point. Great video btw.
The only criticism I had first was that he’s doesn’t feel friendly In the neighborhood enough because of the iron spider boy thing but it was still entertaining
Exactly what i was thinking. Like his this guy even read Ultimate Spider-man? The Amazing Spider-man movies feel more like Ultimate Spider-man comics, and the Raimi movies feel like 616 peter from the comics
Spider-Man Homecoming is kind of the perfect Spider-Man movie, I really liked the movie and how this is a Peter Parker that is young and eager to help out but also makes mistakes and learns from them, just like Tony Stark. My favourite moment from the movie is when we see Spider-Man as a friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man, I just adore that moment so much. Michael Keaton as the Vulture is great and I felt as though I could understand his motivation in hating the rich and how they step on the 1%. In a way, both Peter and Adrian are played as two characters of the same coin in which they aim to prove themselves, Adrian breaks the law and hurts people while Peter helps the people including his own enemies and I love that too. Plus, this movie, much like plenty of other movies, will prove why Keaton is always a badass while being 69 years old. I agree about the Peter and MJ relationship being rushed and a little unnatural, it felt weird how in Homecoming Peter and Liz become a couple and obviously doesn't work out too well, but in Far From Home Peter decides to suddenly want to be in a relationship with MJ. Say what you will but at least in Spider-Man 1 there were teases of Peter and MJ becoming a couple with the "will they won't they" type of deal, and it was a bit dragged out until the end of Spider-Man 2. In The Amazing Spider-Man 1, there's bits of the "will they won't they" between Peter and Gwen, but they decides later on the movie to put them together. I like Spider-Man Far From Home as well even the biggest flaw with the movie is that it wants to be an epilogue for Avengers Endgame and that's fine, but it does struggle with trying to be a Spider-Man sequel. Mysterio preying on the fears of Spider-Man is perfect for a character who creates illusions and Jake Gyllenhaal did a great job with this character and tying everything together with the Iron Man story was really well done in a movie that was about the legacy of Tony Stark and Peter dealing with that pressure of trying to be the next saviour of New York when all we wants to be is a friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man, which is a nice tie in to Spider-Man No Way Home. I love Tom Holland's Spider-Man and Zendaya's MJ and the chemistry they translate on screen, and honestly who the fuck cares if Zendaya doesn't look anything like Kirsten Dunst. As much as I adore the Sam Raimi Spider-Man Trilogy, at least this MJ doesn't always feel like a damsel in distress or incapable of defending themselves but not more capable than the main protagonist.
It really is written beautifully... don’t like the cgi suit. And watts still struggles with directing the swinging scenes. But writing and pacing???? It’s better than the first tobey movie easily and it contends with Spider-Man 2 imo. People just see tony and automatically think it’s trash like 😭😭😭 Peter made the webs. Made the eye technology. He had his own suit. And in the last act of the first 2 movies he gets it done himself his suit having AI is a bit OD. But maaaaaaann it really is a perfect Spider-Man movie like you said. Especially considering what universe he’s in and the fact that’s he’s 15
I personally disagree with the Iron Man stuff. Iron Man between 2015-2017 had some very inconsistent writing and it makes you question his relationship with a 15 year old boy as a protege of sorts. But for the most part homecoming is not a bad movie to me. Far From Home made me realize I was too harsh about Homecoming
I rewatched no way home a couple weeks ago! The movie was very annoying with it’s comedy. And things happen for the sake of comedy.. And then I realized I don’t like this move at all!
Not to mention it's like the MCU was useing the story's as metephors , homecoming Spiderman more of a sidekick to iron man on his own adventure , far from home about him moving on with out iron man and the MCU useing Spiderman as the main hero like iron man was the last 10 years , no way home was him taking up that mantel but doing it in a way that he really is Spiderman now finally able to have his normal adventures on his own , while respecting the original material original movies and MCU
I was just randomly thinking how hard no way home could hit without the background of Tobey and Andrew and instead two other spidermen. The best two that came to mind to me where the ps4 spiderman and the main universe 616 spiderman that could work to a degree
With No Way Home, I can easily say that the MCU trilogy of Spider-man movies is one of the best superhero trilogies out there. Right up there with Captain America's trilogy. While one can critique FFH in certain elements, it is very clear that this entire trilogy is a origin trilogy, meant to setup Peter Parker into what folks mainly associate Spider-man as. And for those who disagree with this storytelling, keep in mind the MCU does this with a lot of its characters. Look at Tony Stark? The character changed and evolved not just in his trilogy but all the MCU films he was in, culminating into Endgame and his sacrifice. Same thing with Peter Parker. A star-eyed kid who idolized the Avengers and wanted to join them for superficial reasons only to recognize what being a hero is and the responsibility it requires. To Finally, here in NWH where he must give up everything to save the people he loves but still shoulders on. And that's Spider-man in a nutshell. The Parker luck, but still Peter Parker continues on. It is a very balsy choice to go that way but NWH very much was the missing piece in a longer story.
You know...I didn't like the second Holland movie so much, but the first was GREAT. Despite their bizarre reinvention of MJ as a character the first movie was overall enjoyable. Stark being a guest star character was just icing on the cake for me in Homecoming. I'd go even further than Jay and say that the overall MCU wouldn't have been nearly or even half as good as it was with out RDJ/Stark to carry the franchise, which could be argued he did single handedly. But in Homecoming, he wasn't so overbearing that he overshadowed everything and take away from Peter's spotlight, despite what naysayers try to claim.
Strongly disagree, the action scenes that are supposed to capture the superhero of Spider-Man were absent. He didn’t even fight vulture on the ferry just played tug of war with him then flew away. Then Tom goes and battles shocker in a yard full of school buses and the fight basically ends right away when shocker gets webbed against a bus it was lame the action just isn’t there this movie should be called “Peter Parker: Homecoming”
I think most of the reasons people don’t like mcu spider man is that the villains don’t have a lot of interest or connections to Peter as much as they have a beef with tony. Makes them less interesting on screen than somebody like goblin
Which is a criticism that's probably worse than "no consequences". Most if not all of Peter's villains in the movies as well as comics start off as villains inspite of Spider-Man, not because of him. They then become connected to him the more their rivalries go on, exactly what happens in these movies. I can guarantee that if you switch Tony with Norman Osborn in the MCU Spider-Man movies, not a single person would EVER make that criticism. You know how I know this? Spectacular Spider-Man did the same thing. Villains in that show are villains because of Norman or themselves and situations around them, not Spider-Man. The only one that I remember that is a villain due to Spider-Man's actions is Venom.
I have no qualms about Toms spidey being different. I enjoy it. But to deny obvious writing flaws in them is dumb. They mention Uncle Ben died in Civil War, but we never see how that affects Peter years after he is gone. We are just supposed to assume he's moved on and forgotten about him. Again, nothing wrong with Tony being the father figure but they needed to show that Peter doesn't want Tony to control him because he had an Uncle raise him his whole life. This is where the New Batman got it right, you don't need origin stories but you can't ignore the people who have had an impact on your life. The new Batman shows through visual subtext that he isn't over their parents death without showing it. Also, Peter as a teenager is supposed to have problems. Teenagers lives aren't easy (Im sorry trying to say that Toms life needs to be happy and perfect is dumb). Peter goes to a private school but lives in the projects?? (Make that make sense). Aannnd we barely get enough of Aunt May. In the beginning of Far from Home, we get Aunt May accepting Peter but at the end of Homecoming she says wtf. Where is the scene where he has to convince her? And Im sorry Zendaya is mid not because of being black or being different but because their relationship is perfect. Again a 17 year old teenager would not have a perfect relationship with a girl because he is immature. If peter is supposed to be learning what it means to be Spiderman, aaaandd he doesn't want to Peter needs to be more needy in his romantic life. Because him being neeedy makes sense to his personality of running away from problems. Aand to show that the relationship has problems, you need Zendaya to struggle to set boundaries because she loves him but can't force him to be Spidey, BECAUSE TOM has to learn that on his own. That's what should have been showed. It just doesn't make sense that he can have a perfect love life if he is struggling to confront and accept that he is Spiderman.
Really long analysis, TL;DR I liked Homecoming but could've had less Stark, didn't like Far From Home, loved No Way Home. For me it started of pretty strong with Homecoming, still wasn't a fan of how much Tony was involved with Peter from mentor/father figure to being the influence of the villian making it feeling to me that he wasn't Spider-man but rather a sidekick in a sense. Still never been a fan of the MCU's Flash not feeling like a bully and like you said Liz and MJ relationship with knowledge of what comes later felt disjointed to this movie. Regardless still was a fan of Keaton's Vulture, his interactions with Peter, Peter's depiction as a teen with Ned, and Peter's conflict of when he should be Spider-man. Have many issues but still a strong movie. Next Far From Home is a movie I liked less the more as time passed. It once again focused a lot of Iron Man, which I get that he died but also once again this time the plot being who's essentially gonna be the next Iron Man and Mysterio tied heavily to Tony again. From the Mysterio reveal exposistion scene and how he was really unconvincing to "Nick Fury" about his plot after felt like the movie was handholding us through the plot which imo was unnecessary, and the jokes overall landed less for me in this than Homecoming. But there still were some highlights like they Mysterio scene imo still one of the best in the MCU, Ned was still entertaining, Peter himself growing his independence and trying to be better than Tony than following his shadow albeit with Tony's tech. Plus the ending reveal set up and J.K. Simmons coming back. Overall by this point I was considering just being done with MCU Spider-man. As for the MJ controversy, I understand the issues people had that she's almost nothing like Mary Jane yet goes by MJ but as her own new character I liked the portrayal. If they just never called her MJ it would've been better received. However, for No Way Home not only satisfied me nostalgia wise, but also sold me on Holland's Spider-man. (No Way Home Spoilers) Starting of with Dr Strange, I was concerned he'd become the mentor/father figure replacement for Tony but instead I love that despite his ignorance he stood for his morales and actually challenged Strange's plans. Carrying on with Peter's decision I loved seeing again Peter's compassion for the villians like Vulture but to a greater extent making an impact but ultimately leading Peter losing someone. Having to deal with him taking responsibility for it but ultimately carrying out the same objective he had in mind irrespective of the passing. Going into more detail of the passing I felt this was by far the best tragedy Holland's Spider-man dealt with since it covered Peter's quintessential characteristics, him blaming himself, using this a moment to fuel his actions by carrying out the what the person embarked to him, and his struggle of maintaining his morales after said event. Lastly for Holland's Spider-man I loved the ending imo really showing how far he'd grown not just from the beginning of the movie but of the trilogy standing up truly on his own for that matter for the betterment of those he cared for whilst still showing he hadn't abandoned either sides of his life. This was only what I loved from Holland's Spider-man but I also loved the bringing back of characters and how said actors portrayed them, the interactions between many of said characters, learning how some developed since we last saw them, through the movie and how they all felt they had good screen time despite how many of them returned.
People love Insomniac but shit on Tom. Btw Tom does have and uncle Ben. Literally the same shit insomniac Spider-Man does Tom did. Both Lost Ben, and May Live in a World with other heroes Don’t take pictures for the bugle Experienced the multiverse Advance tech Now Tom lost most of his tech, has no connections with the avengers, lives alone, is in college, and has the most comic accurate Spider-Man suit in a film. Explain why everyone loves insomniac but not Tom? They both did the same shit, Tom fixed it and insomniac doubled down with iron spider legs.
Love the character but his movie were ok Away felt like the character was drag along by other Character he never felt like he grew into his own character till The third movie
I think that the main problem for me with Toms films is they don’t feel special. They aren’t unique enough from the other MCU films so when you go back to watch them you keep feeling like you’ve seen it more times than you have. This is a problem I’ve personally been having which is I feel like you can’t judge the MCU films as films you have to judge them as MCU films. Nothing special and very Samy. I think TASM1 and Tobeys first 2 are better films than all three of them cause there are no films like it which can’t be said for Toms films
I actually agree 110%, all mcu movies have this forgettable tone like if an mcu movie was playing for free on my cable provider I don’t think I would watch it, but there are really only like two movies that feel decent being infinity war and endgame. The rest don’t have these stellar action scenes, soundtrack and camera work
If you like far from home you're not in the wrong everyone cares for spiderman everyone wants the character to do well. The thing is that everyone has different taste and opinions on what makes a good spiderman As someone who felt like I was in the wrong for years for liking the Tasm series and not really connecting with the mcu spiderman and I felt disconnected and in the wrong for not thinking Tom or Tobey was the best for 5 years. After hearing for years that Andrew was the worst people are finally realizing maybe they were to harsh on him
I have seen it and will review it in a few days. I was waiting till everyone had seen the movie and since we're pretty far out now I'm comfortable releasing my review very soon. Just took me a bit to get through the rest. I appreciate the patience and the interest!
I liked Homecoming okay, and thought how it fit a handful of villains in one movie is something few CBM have pulled off, which is good because I'm always arguing for the highest possible achivement. But then you have unecessary oversights like Peter's classmated all having 300 IQs, and he fell head over heels for Micheal Jackson in one scene. If Liz was Betty as per the original comics, it would have been a great choice, but she and Ned shouldn't be so important. Look at JJJ in the raimi films, he doesn't really affect the plot because he's goofy, but Ned does. And the throwaway girfriend would work if she was more or less in the background.
27:14 no you are not wrong. It is on individual taste to like or not like something. I may say that Spiderman 3 was much darker movie than Spiderman Far From Home. Emo Peter dance scenes are the best scenes of the entire movie and I do not give a famn if everyone else hate it. Again it is up to individual taste.
I don't like homecoming, way too boring and uneventful to me, Far from Home is a lil better to me but. No way home is my favorite, from the way Tom is, and finally the stakes and tone of this movie.
I was never a big fan of the mcu spiderman going into no way home. I didn't like homecoming at all and I was uninterested in far from home but no way home turned that around for me completely and Tom finally feels like spiderman to me
@@thecollinzboy I think that distinction goes to spider-man 3. There's a lot about that movie that just doesn't work, although I still enjoy watching it.
@@Iam123-i5j well can I ask how? If I grade that movie overall with regard to camera work, soundtrack, action scenes it performs on all fronts. After watching it I realized that everyone in that film had their own musical theme which was sandman, venom, black suit Spider-Man, normal Spider-Man, Harry hobgoblin, and emo Peter parker all had their own unique theme. If we’re now talking camera work the scene when black suit Spider-Man first gets his black suit and sees his reflection was epic, the church sequence when he gets rid of the symbiote to Eddie Brock I also admired the 2 great action sequences the one with Harry on the glider coming to Peter from his back and the underground sandman fight scene. I just feel to say Spider-Man 3 is the worst seems a bit harsh considering everything I just listed. Homecoming reason why I didn’t like it was because the action really wasn’t there like for me when he’s on the ferry he has a tug of war kind of deal when he tries webbing his gun they actually didn’t fight each other just tug of war idk
@@thecollinzboy There were moments in spider-man man 3 where the drama could've been settled with a simple conversation. Especially between Peter and MJ
My main complaint about Homecoming is that it's not a Spider-Man movie. It's an iron man movie with a Spider-Man paint job. I also love Iron Man 3, but I don't want a Spider-Man version of that. I want a Spider-Man story about Peter and his responsibilities to the people close to him and himself, not about how "he *can* do it without the suit!" Which doesn't even matter because Peter takes the iron spider suit in Infinity War anyway. Same issue with The Vulture, it's just the Iron Man 2 villain again. Someone Tony screwed is coming back to take him down with similar technology. It's done better than Iron Man 2, but again, the most interesting parts of this movie are about Tony, not Spider-Man. Peter himself is just a more irritating version of Tony in the first 2 Spider-Man movies, and I get part of his arc is he's supposed to gradually separate himself from that, but it makes his character utterly uninteresting for me to follow in these films. Plus everyone around him is just fine with him being Spider-Man. I hate how Aunt May just lets him do it and takes advantage of it like a creepy helicopter parent, and MJ and Ned think it's cool and help him. Where is the character conflict? Where's the drama? Where's the story? Again, Peter and his allies have little to none, and it all comes from Tony. I'm aware No Way Home fixes a lot of these problems and gives the trilogy a greater purpose, but that doesn't automatically mean the first 2 movies by themselves are better for it. I don't believe for a second No Way Home was the plan all along, I think it was listening to the criticism and backtracking, which I appreciate, but again doesn't make me like the dullness of Peter's story in the first 2 movies.
I'm still not a fan of Tony being a father figure to peter. They were painted as enemies in a lot of comics for a reason they're two different people and believe in two different ideology. While I like the mcu Tony Stark the mcu did a good job humanizing stark but I always felt like the relationship between Tony and Peter was undercooked and under developed and as a result I didn't like it at all
That's the thing though, the MCU versions of these characters were at very different points in their life. Instead of Mid-20's (like in Comics Civil War) Peter is mid teens and not fully developed as a person let alone a hero when we meet him. If we were taking Tobey's Peter and making him have Tony as a father figure I'd completely agree, but the Tom rendition of the character is more akin to Ultimate Spidey age wise but with the more respectful and reverent attitude of classic Spider-Man. I guess what I'm saying is that comics wise that makes complete sense but it seems like this Tony is a way better person both ideologically and morally than the comics one and this Peter is very different to. I think for the characters they are it makes sense.
I didn't enjoy Holland trilogy because it felt like it wasn't spider-man to me, too me spider-man is an asshole but in the fun way, he has called doc ock fat, vulture an old man who needs to stay in the nursing home. I enjoy that type of spider-man, now people don't have too agree with me that's fine. I enjoyed Andrew Garfield as spider-man he was a POS but he was funny so was Tobey. I don't hate tom Holland I guess I'm old now so maybe that's why I don't get thrill of this spider-man
The MCU Trilogy is good, but it ain’t as good as the Raimi Trilogy. I like how Iron Man filled in for Uncle Ben, especially because we’ve already seen Uncle Ben in two separate cinematic universes.
@@_NeoL I disagree I personally love Far From Home but Spider-Man 3 is worse than Far From Home since at least nothing was forced in Far From Home like Venom was in Spider-Man 3
Raimi films are ridiculously overrated imo , they have aged like milk and only 2 is all that good while 1 is okay but more of a comedy until the last few scenes which are quite good.
I’m just tired of all these high school Peter Parker’s. I feel like Spider-Man should be well… a man, not just a boy. College Peter from Spidey 2 or the PS4 game are 2 of the best stories we’ve had from the character, and I think part of that is due to him being a little more mature than being a little kid.
@@johncena2336 I know that but the concept of the character was to be a younger hero than the rest and this Spider-Man is now out of highschool himself
@@johncena2336 Also I don't think Spider-Man 2 is all that great bc the only thing hinging in that movie is his already poor relationship with Mary Jane and he abandons being Spider-Man for just that, even so far as to watch a mugging and do nothing. The villain in the film is a better character who winds up doing the right thing and sacrificing more himself. I do think the train scene ultimately makes up for that and then some but I don't see Spider-Man 2 as some pinnacle of what a Spider-Man story should be, I think FFH does a better job showing that same thematic story.
I've always had very mixed feelings about Tom Holland's Spider-Man because I absolutely hated how they turned Spidey of all characters into this weird very dependent surrogate son of Iron Man. It certainly didn't help that he was all teched out with Tony's shenanigans either... That being said I really enjoyed what they did with him in No Way Home. I love that he basically starts all over now and really only became Spider-Man at the very end.
I feel like you’re exaggerating how dependent he actually was. And I think saying he only became Spider-Man at the very end of no way home is wrong. Like why is he only Spider-Man now? Because he made another suit? He already made his own suit before tony found him and made him another one. Tom isn’t even the only peter Parker who didn’t make his own suit. Ultimate Spider-Man didn’t make his either. If you’re talking about him learning great power comes great responsibility. He tells may he already knows that. And he shows it in civil war when taking to Tony. And in homecoming when he decides to go after vulture and in far from home when he decides to stop mysterio or when he helps against the water elemental. It’s more of a reinforcement than a new lesson he had to learn
@@paigeh7892 Hey its fine if you don't agree with me but Tom Holland has easily been the least Spider-Man-like of the three live action versions. It always felt like he was playing second fiddle to all these other heroes. It was like he always needed some other established hero to lean on which simply isn't who Peter Parker is. Peter is someone who struggles a lot but always manages to come out on top... on his own. In No Way Home Peter finally has nothing which in turn gives him the ability to start over and become the Spidey we all know and love... and not a confused kid who got everything he wanted given to him by Tony Stark. I know you and others might enjoy this very different take on Peter Parker in the MCU but it really starts to fall apart if you compare him to previous live action versions as well as some comic iterations. On top of that MCU Peter is basically just a white Miles Morales with everything Marvel and Disney borrowed from that character. If you love this version tho, go ahead. Nothing wrong with that at all. I just think that MCU Peter has been the best in NWH thus far and I'm actually excited for his new trilogy, now that he has the potential to become the actual Spider-Man. PS: Sorry for the wall of text.
@@wolfbrigade8042 Yeah, I don't agree with a lot of your points. If you're willing to have a more in depth conversation I can (because I want to avoid a needless wall of text) but it is very clear that this trilogy was planned out. NWH wouldn't have been possible without FFH and Homecoming respectively. So if anything, NWH didn't fix Spider-man because there was no fixing. required The entire trilogy is an origin trilogy, fitting right in line with the MCU's style of storytelling with Tony Stark, Steve Rogers etc.
@@wolfbrigade8042 I don’t Actually care if you like this version of character or not. But the things you said about him are wrong. he does come out on top on his own. Or as on his own as any version of the character. And He doesn’t have everything handed to him. He stops vulture on his own and beats mysterio and goblin on his own. And he’s not a white miles morales, that’s ridiculous. The only thing they actually borow from miles is ganke. Everything else is from peter Parker. It’s just as flawed as calling miles morales a black peter Parker just because of the similarities they shared before the mcu.
If you hated homecoming because of all his stark tech then why don’t you hate no way home? He was using his iron spider suit against dock ock then used nano tech to subdue him, if anything no way home had him over reliant on gadgets just as bad as homecoming did
Very soon... I promise! Within the next few days here. My goal is Friday. These take a ton of editing, though the No Way Home one should be a bit... Less. Only because it's a longer video to dive into it more thoroughly but also there's really no film footage of the movie I can use transformatively out there other than some trailers etc.
I despise this trilogy. He felt like Spider-Man for 15 minutes in Homecoming then never again until No Way Home when he finally embodied the character. Worst representation of the core of the character we've had in live action. Also: He is NOTHING like Ultimate Spider-Man other than his age, NOTHING
Actually he's fairly similar in his age and his lack of knowing where to take his life along with the fact that he idolized the other Marvel heroes around him. Sure he doesn't swear and he's more respectful and less angry, so in those ways he's not, but it's pretty ridiculous to say they're "nothing" alike.
Dude he didn’t embody the character in no way home. All he did was use nano tech and iron spider against Otto then he acts unbelievably naive again and invites all the villains back to aunt mays apartment and she’s fine with it. He also messed up stranges spell too much in my opinion he just doesn’t come off as a smart peter Parker he’s too dumbed down and also G-rated
Btw pls don’t compare ultimate Spider-Man to Tom Holland Spider-Man they not the same just because they are kids doesn’t mean they are the same those two Spider-Mens are totally different I’m a big ultimate Spider-Man reader and Tom not like him they don’t even share elements other than they are kids
Saying this in 3 comments doesn't make it right. EDIT - I thought you were this other guy I read this from 3 times in here. My bad. I still disagree but just don't mind me
@@robbyk7070 I didn’t say the same thing in 3 comments most of them are different topics on Tom and comics so before you talk shit actually read the stuff I say
@@kingjoker8399 Bruh he literally said 5 minutes before you replied that he made a mistake but then you made the same mistake while criticizing him lmfao. Yikes
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People forget that when the MCU started they never thought they were going to have Spider-Man. When that changed, they had to find a way to insert him and it would make sense. Tony absolutely would’ve been the one to find him.
Yeah people forget that whole Sony/Marvel deal. They were in the middle of filming Civil War and they had to rush Spider-man in the movie just in time and they killed it. Could've they have waited and give him a proper movie? Sure but...it's FREAKING SPIDER-MAN lol.
I don’t think anyone forgot about I mean you can’t have the mcu with out Spider-Man we all knew he was going to be introduced eventually we just didn’t know when.
MCU Spidey's been cool with me since Civil War. Tom's movies got issues. So did Tobey's & Andrew's. Still love them. Maybe I'm more forgiving of the movies. Maybe I don't go into things ready to dislike them. Or maybe I'm just a big Spider-Man fan. And no version is my favorite. Each one's got something to offer
You're absolutely correct sir .. also, on a pure nostalgia basis i still lean towards Tobey's Spidey bcz that's the adaptation that introduced Spidey to me but looking back at all the adaptations I've went through..the most accurate one is probably Insomniac's Spidey.. just my opinion tho
I personally never understood why some people bash him for not being a "hardened" spiderman like Tobey's interpretation. I think people forget how young Peter is in these films, realistically a kid his age would still be very optimistic that he could balance out his superhero and normal life without any consequences.
Exactly he’s 17 now, they want him to just be suicidal atp
I love how the three main villains ( Vulture , Mysterio and Green Goblin ) gradually set up Peter's journey into true spider man . Each one tested his responsibility in different ways . Also , I love how those villains respond to Peter's charachter and personality .
Vulture sees Peter's morality and tries to reason with him.
Mysterio sees Peter's morality and uses it for his own benefit
Green Goblin sees Peters morality and turnes it against him
I've always loved MCU Spider-Man. My favourite live-action Spidey and I grew up with all 3 Spider-Men.
You’re a very captivating speaker and relatable person
I love the MCU Spider-Man! I have never understood the hate that he gets. I have enjoyed all of his three solo films and I loved his dynamic with Tony Stark. To me, Tom Holland was the perfect choice for Spider-Man. I was so glad that they went for somebody very young for a change and was able to do his own stunts which was very refreshing. No Way Home is the best of Holland's trilogy for sure IMO, it may have flaws don't get me wrong but it was so good and such an enjoyable movie especially at the cinema. It was my favourite movie of 2021. I disagree with you about the music. I love Michael Giacchino's music for these movies and I love his theme. When I got out of seeing No Way Home, I was humming the theme as I was walking back to my car so it's memorable to me.
genuinely curious what flaws does it have just asking
@@stewart296 A lot of it is just nitpicky stuff like Ned not using the sling ring to bring in more Spideys other than Tobey and Andrew and Venom not being in the final battle, no Kirsten Dunst or Emma Stone cameos or Daredevil not helping out Spidey to defeat the villains. I don't know people are always going to find something to complain about with this movie, I mean look at Vee Infuso's review of it recently.
@@stewart296 the only concrete one would be the dr strange spell and no way home juggling too many characters.
Nothing really bad like no way home did it way better than Spider-Man 3 and tasm 2.
And I would say the hi top films review of homecoming kinda started all the dumb hate for tony stark being a part of Spider-Man
People give the movies crap about the connections to other MCU characters, while I get the reasonings for it but that's what separates this Spider-Man from the other two which I love. As a kid watching the Raimi movies (and many other Marvel and DC movies) I kind of hated how...empty the worlds felt to me. I love a big world with different superhero characters that can have connections with each other. Hell, Spider-man's first issue comic is a Fantastic Four
crossover lmaoo.
MCU Spiderman is finally complete as it should be. He is on his own. I love this version the most and I believed that he is gonna prove himself, which he did with the ultimate sacrifice. Tobey was my introduction to spiderman, loved Andrew preformance and his special charm. Holands next trilogy is gonna be a banger. And please make TASM 3, guy deserves it.
Tom Holland is my fave spidey by quite a mile for me and I think it is because it is a dumb teenager learning to be spiderman. Cannot wait for his next trilogy (I am assuming there will be at this point).
I think it is impressive that this trilogy is one of the two good MCU trilogies alongside Captain America (all of the rest have at least 1 bad or below average movie) and personally I like Spider-Man's more than Cap's.
The last two captain America movies are like top five Mcu and you can only say one of that for spider man
@@rossjohnson2996 I personally like the Spider-Man ones more
@@mooliciousmaul6514 No all three Cap films are great even though 3 is basically an Avengers film
Sorry to anyone who doesn’t, but I love the MCU Spider-Man trilogy. I think Tom does some outstanding acting. He’s a talent, people forget he has a film history from when he was quite young and one thing for sure is that he has range. In NWH all the returning characters could have drowned him out, but it didn’t, throughout all the great performances Tom was phenomenal especially in his emotional delivery.
He’s one dimensional? He pretty much plays the same person in uncharted
@@thecollinzboy Dude 😂
@@LB-ih7hn have you watched uncharted? It feels like another Spider-Man movie except he doesn’t wear Spider-Man costume
I love MCU Spiderman its in its own their can't be compared to others really completely different movies , but the homecoming trilogy is all about Peter and Spiderman accepting himself and being a better spider man , homecoming all about getting approval from iron man as a avenger accepts he ain't ready for that responsibility , far from home , in the shadow of iron man people wanting to replace iron man with him and being to scared Todo and pushs it off till he can't and becomes his own hero , then no way home is all about moving forward and meeting the other Spiderman and knowing how awesome he really is and can be and tryna be like them instead of someone else ,
True fact Zendaya and Tom Holland are together in real life which would explain why they have such perfect chemistry
That chemistry showed with Andrew and Ema who also were together.
Yeah I never got the hate around Zendaya as MJ either. Sure she's different but it seemed like it was done to differentiate from Tobeys movies more so than it was to cast any specific type of person. She did great.
I do think if they bring her back it would be great if she had come out of her shell and was doing modeling or something and looking more like Zendaya looks irl since it would line up a bit more with the Mary Jane rendition of MJ but I liked what we got either way.
The argument that MCU Spidey is just Iron Man Jr is one I've never personally agreed with. Yeah, it's not wrong, he is definitely reliant on Stark tech to a degree, but apart from Far From Home, he doesn't really overuse it. The whole point of the Stark suit in Homecoming was that it was kind of overpowered, and in the end he was able to beat Vulture with his homemade suit amd his own skill. Far From Home does have him somewhat reliant on E.D.I.T.H and his upgraded suit in the climax, but it still never really bothered me. No Way Home definitely does a good job of establishing this MCU Spidey as his own hero. Another criticism was the lack of an origin story and no real mention of Uncle Ben. Until No Way Home, I agreed with this, but looking back, this whole trilogy can be seen as his origin story, with each film teaching him more about what it takes to be Spider-Man, starting with the whole "If you're nothing without this suit", and ending with the iconic "With great power", so you could see the usage of that line as what establishes this as his origin story I guess idk.
TL;DR, Not Iron Man Jr, MCU Spider-Man good
Your presentation of your opinions is very professional. "Here's my opinion. I understand why you would think different" It shows that you understand its subjectivity and you don't present it as your opinion is the sole truth
One thing I like about Tom Holland's Spider-Man is that he actually wants to save people first and foremost and you can feel that in this trilogy more than the others I feel like, he doesn't let his villains die and makes actual sacrifices. People praise Spider-Man 2 til the cows come home but honestly I feel the movie is antithetical to what Spider-Man is about and shows him acting selfishly and having to learn to be Spider-Man TWICE and all over one girl (who isn't even that interesting imo) while Tom consistently puts things that matter to him behind to do the right thing. I also think Tom's trilogy has the best villains in the series.
I disagree with the part about him learning to be Spider-Man twice. Now I haven’t seen the Raimi movies in a while so I could be wrong about what I’m about to say. Spider-Man 1 was learning “with great power comes great responsibility” and Spider-Man 2 was learning about the repercussions of such responsibilities and how much you should sacrifice for said responsibilities. I personally see those as two different lessons and journeys. Yes Peter acts selfishly but that’s part of the story, that’s part of him learning to sacrifice what he wants. Which to me is quintessentially Spider-Man, he isn’t Spider-Man because it’s fun (though sometimes it is) or because it makes his life easier, he isn’t even Spider-Man because he WANTS to be, he’s Spider-Man because he HAS to be, no matter how selfish he WANTS to be he HAS to be Spider-Man.
@@critique0767 both things can be true. What you said is facts and I like how you described it. They are two different things in certain aspects. But some of that does kind of double as him learning to be spider man a second time. I mean he throws the whole suit away and literally stops being spiderman. And he has to be motivated later on from Mary Jane getting snatched up, and there was that speech may gave to him earlier about there being a hero in everyone. I mean you gotta give it to Tom on that one.. lost everything in the third movie and went straight to his new apartment. Made a new suit and immediately started spider manning again. We never saw tobey deal with anything crazy like that. He quit for less. There’s still aspects about tobeys trilogy that are better than toms but Tom got it in this scenario.
@@julian2238 Yeah that makes sense. I guess I was looking at “learning to be Spiderman” in a more literal sense than what was meant. Btw I wasn’t trying to discredit Toms Spider-Man or anything, just pointing out something I disagreed with. I think all incarnations of Spider-Man are valid and have something that connects them to different people.
Yeah but you always have someone who pushes Tom to make the sacrifice, In FFH nick fury basically forces him to go and fight the villains and he wasnt even gonna do it he was gonna let the others handle the job and he needs a break I get it but to make the protagonist not do anything until hes forced or encouraged to do so is very boring, I found FFH peter one of the most boring versions of the character, Hes grieving so he takes a trip where he doesnt have to be spider man and spend time with his friends but then villains appear and he just doesnt do anything until hes forced to involve himself by Nick and the others thats not peter parker. Again correct me if im wrong no one even mentions peter just disappearing for a few days on a school trip?? Like they couldve had him go through those problems and still step up to stop the villains.
I love all three Spidermen!
Hopefully they"ll make a spiderman 4 with tobey maguire one day that'd be awesome!
I doubt it cause Tobey is a bit older now but I'm pretty sure he'll appear again
Or have him be in a Mayday Parker Spider-Girl movie
I'd love to see that and ASM 3 for sure tbh.
Nah
@@DegenerateJay can’t believe they had originally planned Bruce Campbell planned as mysterio for Spider-Man 4, that would have been awesome like a foreshadowing of how he showed up in every Raimi Spider-Man movie.
Although Sony releasing venom and morbius pretty much shows they have no way of launching a live action movie universe yet.
Do you know what annoys me people list J Jonah Jameson as evil when he is not he is simply a journalist who does not like Spider-Man. I have seen good to evil videos where he is ranked with the villains. At worst he is neutral but he is not he is a pretty good guy.
Especially the case if you're talking about the Toby McGuire trilogy since he never gave up Peter even in the face of potential death.
@@kingdomcomesuperman3669 Yes he is not evil even in the MCU he wants to take down who he thinks is a dangerous criminal and in Rami he has a solid base since Spider-Man did rob him (stealing his suit back). Remember he also stole that guys pizza so he is justified in the Rami universe and he thinks Spider-Man is a guy who got away with murder so he is justified there.
Comic Jameson tried to killed Spider-Man multiple times
@@Piplupz01 That is the comics in every appearance of Jameson which these videos are placed on he is ranked with the villains. And from what I can gather Jameson was always legally in the right when he did by creating Scorpion not knowing he was crazy
I thought the-humor in homecoming was funny. but to be fair I thought the majority of mcu films were funny buts that's my type of humor. the witty banter stuff always has entraining vibes to it I like. granted humor is subjective so I understand, different strokes for different folks
anyways I like toms spiderman I think the mcu version despite the fact of him not being poor,homemade suit, a lot of help with the tech stuff from stark, I think his personality was the closet to the comics and cartoon version.
As someone who had the privilege of growing up with all three Spider-Men, I absolutely adore all of these movies. They're not all the same and they all have their flaws, but they're entertaining in different ways but also very similar ways. I wish that people would just stop pissing on Tobey or Andrew or Tom. They're all great. It's great to have an opinion, but you don't need to be an asshole or blindly hate shit for no reason. It's not funny or cool.
The stupidest criticism is the cgi as every Spider-Man swinging and action scene has been cgi under every director. The only majorly practical effects in place of cgi superhero films are probably the batman movies.
Ill b honest jay u have made some good points abt both movies that opened my eyes 2 feel i judged them 2 hardly. Homecoming I already liked(despite having my own issues with) however FFH is a different story. Jake Gyllenhaal was fine my obly issues were the forced relationship between pete and mj it kinda came outta nowhere like u said she shoulda been introduced earlier. Aunt may was kinda a wast 4 me i wish she woulda played a bigger part in the movie. Lastly the web swinging scenes were not really memorable( imo) same with this peter he makes quite a few dumb choices, overall tho good review on both movies.
The cgi complaint doesn’t make sense as every Spider-Man movie used a digital double cgi model including that awesome web slinging scene of tasm 2.
I think some of the people who have criticisms for these movies get automatically put into the 'hate these movies' categories when they really don't. Not all of us are toxic 'Raimi only' fans.
Personally, I find Far From Home one of the most enjoyable MCU movies . . . and yet still find it a frustrating Spider-man movie. Outside of Mysterio, there just doesn't seem to be serious concern about source material, about who Peter in the comics is. It misses the context of the Spider-Man themes. And it redoes the development that Homecoming already handled quite well.
So while I in no way think it's a bad movie, I just don't view it on par with SM 1&2, TASM, HC, NWH and ItSV as far as a Spidey film.
Such an exciting series of movies. I think god really touched Tom Holland’s soul
I loved watching all 3 of these movies to be honest.
Far from home had terrible writing, homecoming had bad action scenes and nwh was okay
I always hated that some fans think that the MCU Spiderman is Iron boy jr. All because he has a good relationship with him, and he's nothing like his other incarnation before him, but you know what. Not all Spiderman should be like the 60's comics or Tobey Maguire. It's supposed to be different. Seriously. I'm sick of reading comments on TH-cam and other websites about some fans who don't like the MCU Spiderman because they don't like something new and different when it's so obvious. Because the whole superhero concept changed a lot as the years go by, it can't stay the same thing theirs always something different from any franchise, some could be good, and some can be bad. It all depends on the people who make it. It does make sense that this version of Spider-Man in that universe is a fan. Where superheroes already existed. So he is already a fan of the Avengers (specifically Iron Man when he saves his life in Iron Man 2), and he idolizes Tony Stark as a technological visionary. So, of course, he does not want to let him down after he came into his life not only being his mentor but also as a second father figure after his Uncle Ben passed away. I'm sure that is the same thing for anyone meeting their idols or working with them for the first time and trying not to screw it up. Plus, Spiderman has always looked up to other superheroes in other iterations. Also, in a way, Tony Stark is the perfect candidate to be the next Uncle Ben for Peter! I'm not saying that Tony Stark is the new Uncle Ben! Tony Stark will always be Tony Stark, and Uncle Ben will always be Uncle Ben. They are two wildly different characters. What I am trying to say is. That Tony fills the Uncle Ben role for MCU Peter. He's a role model and a second father figure to him. I think it's an intriguing spin to the usual story we already knew because we know Tony so well and add a lot to their relationship. Whether you like it or not. You have at least appreciated that they tried something new here.
Besides, I would rather have Spiderman as the next Iron Man because it makes lots of sense for Tony Stark to pass the touch to Peter. After all, he knew Peter could be a better person and a hero than he will ever be than someone like Riri Williams, who showed up out of nowhere and stole the mantel from him because of Kevin Feige, the writer, and some toxic fans. Of all the people who have a connection to Tony Stark, they had to go with someone who has the littlest connection to him as his successor. If I were in charge of the company, I would go with someone like his best friend, his wife, his daughter, or his protege, any one of those people are a better hero and worthy successor than Riri would ever be. Who's nothing more than some petty thief who steals something that was never hers, to begin with, nor has she ever earned it, while also trying to seek attention, hog up the spotlight, and act like she is better than everyone, just like a spoiled brat. Honestly, Peter or Morgan should have been Iron Man's successor instead of someone like Riri. Honestly, do they have to put Iron Heart in the MCU? She is just a cheap knock-off, a woke token character, and a Mary Sue. In my opinion, she doesn't bring in anything in the MCU, other than the writers wanted more female characters, and just because she was in the comics, it doesn't mean they have to put her in the MCU. Also, the writers had some changes in their universe that were different from the comics. Rather than bringing in more random characters that have no connection to the Avengers, than being saved by one of them or wanting to be like them, just like Kate Bishops in Hawkeye, because she has no place in the MCU. Also, just like Kate Bishops, if anyone who deserves to become the next Iron Man is his daughter or his protégé Spider-Man. Not another random fangirl who wants to be their favorite hero. I mean, we already have Kate Bishops and Mrs. Marvel. I do not want to see another random fangirl who wants to be a hero. That has no connection to anything. Other than some lame excuse that she was in the comics. So they have to put her in the MCU. Also, I did some research about her. She's considered one of the most hated characters in the franchise.
Yeah homecoming liz would be underwhelming I guess cuz a teenage crush is usually quite anti climactic like how homecoming depicted it.
Also yeah the school characters being silly and teen dramedy style kinda reinforces Pete’s disinterest in being a normal kid and wanting to be taken seriously as a superhero by tony stark.
I really loved this trilogy, even more than the Raimi one, though that’s partly to due with Spider-Man 3 not being that great
Tom Holland's movies aren't really a trilogy, because you need the two Avengers movies and Civil War to understand more about him. The Holland movies sort of require you to watch other MCU movies.
I love Spiderman 3. In all honesty its my favorite.
@@millabasset1710 i never saw civil war when i watched homecoming. Loved it anyway because i didnt feel like i missed anything
Wasn't the big fan of MCU Spider Man, but I'm glad No Way Home changed all that
I still feel there’s room for improvement it wasn’t the best Spider-Man movie
You like Iron Boy Jr, unlike Ultimate Spidey
i personally really really dislike the ending of no way home, but literally everyone else likes it :|
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i really enjoy this mj and this peter but they did away with that relationship and ALL of the character development in 1 swoop and that bothers me so much, just when their relationship was starting to get cute and you want to root for them to stay together and use MJ for stakes then they take all of that and then some away, i really wanted to like this movie and i loved every bit of it even though the latter half had some GOOFY pacing but thats just the nail in the coffin that makes me kind of hate it. i dont know, they will probably find some way to bring them back together in the next movie but im going to judge this movie on its merit alone and i personally think the movie is good but the ending is really horrible, let me know what you think i would love to be convinced otherwise i want to like this movie so bad
I think the fact that the ending didn't suit to you reflects how heavy Peter's sacrifice is in the movie. Also it reflects real life choices where you have to make a decision in your life which you don't like but you know its for the greater good. This sacrifice also show Peter being selfless. I think thats one of the point of his character since in the comics when he decided to be a prick it cost him his uncle's life. It is also similar to his mentor's action which is Iron man's sacrifice, since in endgame his life is good he had a family and a simple lifestyle. Yet he sacrificed himself to do the right thing. Finally, this is his mess he had to take responsibility to what he did and this is the price. If the ending was all good and happy for the both of them i think it will undermine his sacrifice and the story itself.
If you still dislike the movie its okay not everything will get liked and its not a bad thing for someone to dislike a movie except maybe to those who haven't touch grass.
The only thing I didn’t like about the Spider-Man MCU movies is that they always force other heroes into his films. I like it better when Spider-Man is solo in his stories. It’s similar to some of Superman’s movies. They always force Batman into it.
I personally liked it because it was a lot like those old Spiderman team up books like Spiderman/doctor strange. that's really different for a Spiderman movie. we've had like five solo Spiderman movies before this I'm glad the mcu gave people something a little different.
That is true not only that Tom technically doesn't even have his own enemies in homecoming and far from home he is fighting Tony's "Villains" guys that Tony pissed off or hurt and I really don't like that
@@thanosamazing72 yeah but at this point it feels way to repetitive
I don't really get why people wanted Spidey in the MCU if they didn't want him interacting with and meeting other MCU heroes etc in his stories. At that point why not just keep him out of the MCU?
@@visionary1138 no no don’t misunderstand me. I do enjoy a brief visit from another hero. I’m not foaming at the mouth in anger about it lol 😆 . I just don’t like it when they have Spider-Man rely on other heroes too much. Iron Man didn’t get any help from any other heroes in his first movie. Same with the captain America and the hulk.
Second the original Spider-Man Comics Peter was a 16 kid so it’s not that he’s a kid it’s that Tom didn’t have his own footing in his other two movies and I’m glad no way home finally gave him that footing he needed at the end of the movie
I thought he found that footing in Homecoming. The whole movie was about that.
@@visionary1138 Also the original Spider-Man comics were taking place in the early days of Marvel when characters were establishing themselves and crossovers weren't quite as common anyways. Now if you pick up any Spider-Man comic there's a good chance there's villains from someone else or other heroes showing up just like in the MCU since it's such a connected world.
@@visionary1138 by himself after homecoming the same thing pretty much happened again in far from only difference was a bigger treat which ended up being fake but if he found his footing he would’ve been on his own but in no way home he still didn’t understand for god sake he gave up being Spider-Man a lot of people compare ultimate comics to Tom but he’s noting like Tom he never gave up being Spider-Man to enjoy his teenage life people in his life left him cuz he didn’t want to stop being Spider-Man and even mj broke up with him in the ultimate comics cuz goblin almost killed her she was traumatized cuz ultimate goblin broke the bridge hell he did a lot of stuff on his own, hell ultimate Spider-Man hated help from other heroes most of the time cuz they didn’t understand the situation like how the ultimates jump green goblin trying to kill him after Harry and Peter wanted them to stop cuz they was using Harry
@@visionary1138 it’s just he found his own footing in no way home and I’m glad the other Spider-Men like Andrew and tobey teach him that
Main Comics Peter hasn't really been anything like Tom's though. He went through stuff a lot more frequently than Tom's, and they basically glossed over High school. Almost all of main Peter's stories are him in College/fresh out of college. In that way, Tobey's were pretty accurate. They went through high school quickly, and headed into College.
In the end, Tom at the end of NWH is perfect. Just wished we had seen a Parker in the MCU like THAT from the beginning.
You’re the only person on the internet who has nearly the same opinion as me like, i like the team aspect i like tony stark in the movies and i like the villains, peter is a kid things like that
I love Spider Man, I enjoyed the Sam Raimi Spider Man series, I enjoyed the amazing spider man series, I absolutely adore the MCU Spider Man series which I consider it the best Spider Man movie trilogy and superhero trilogy ever in my personal opinion. I am so glad that Spidey joined the Marvel Cinematic Universe since 2015/2016, I was a 12 years old Kid when Captain America Civil War came out, the number one reason why I wanted to watch the movie so bad is because of spider man, my favorite childhood superhero character of all time. He was perfect. Homecoming, Far From Home and No Way Home are totally Spectacular in my opinion. The perfect coming of age superhero story. I am so glad that Marvel Studios and Sony have the balls to reinvent and modernizes Spider Man and his mythos while keeping the
very spirit of what made Spider Man so lovable in the first place.
My issue with Holland's Spider-Man is that he worked better when he was with other MCU heroes, he had issues being his own man in his own movies. No Way Home at least got Spider-Man being the focal point right, whereas the first two movies were all about how every bad guy hates Tony Stark because they need to.
things i dislike about homecoming and far from home is that peter parker dosent feel like a 16 year old to me its closer to a 13 year old. and the acting and the energy these people have feels so not realistic, specially in FFH
FFH feels like a disney channel film to me ( like a teen movie ) the humor the acting just everything about FFH i dislike. What i mean by that is that homecoming and FFH cant have any emotional Weight and depth, everytime they have a chance to crack a joke in they do. and the lack of consequences Peter gets in these movies also throws me off
( sry for my bad english, its not my primary language )
and in NHW he actually suffer the consequence of his actions and he is acting more like his age now and i really love that peter actually wanted to save the villians instead of just letting DS kill them
that feels more like civil war peter parker to me and just overall like peter parker.
But now they have basically reboot/fixed him kinda and im optimistic about whats going to happend next for the mcu spidey
The thing I didn't really like about these films are that Tom's peter/spider-man quips aren't that good. Tobey's quips were rare and when they did happen they were very cheesy, some people bring up meme lines or funny scenes from those films rather than intentional quips; an example is "you're trash Brock.", "My Back", "I missed the part where that's my problem". Andrew's quips felt the closest to Spider-Man but the world those films tried the build did sour it for me. Tom's quips range from shocked reaction, being too polite, or just being awkward; Civil War did him a little bit better but not enough in my opinion.
"I missed the part where that's my problem" is antithetical to Spider-Man as a character and only works as the origin of something that's more despicable than funny. I think Tom just doesn't get as many opportunities to quip as the stakes in his films are pretty high but that's true for all of them.
@@excalibur2772 I agree with you on the Tom argument but I mentioned that quote you brought up as an example of people making funny/meme moments from the Raimi movies count as quips when they weren't meant to be quips in the first place; another example of this is when Tobey is crying over uncle ben, it isn't meant to be funny but people meme it to death.
@@goldenage1000 Ned saying he's looking at porn is funnier than anything from the Raimi films
@@excalibur2772 That's one of funniest scenes in all the Spider-Man movies.
The music in the Homecoming movies were pretty mediocre until No Way Home. No Way Home is just filled with actual masterpieces of music and I think its second to the Avengers tracks. Captain America also has some good tracks in the first movie, Doctor Strange also has some great pieces, and The Guardians of the Galaxy movies are really smooth musically. But I do see your point. Great video btw.
The only criticism I had first was that he’s doesn’t feel friendly In the neighborhood enough because of the iron spider boy thing but it was still entertaining
Tom was nothing like Ultimate Spider-Man outside of his looks. Ultimate Spider-Man was edgy like Andrew and had the mouth of a sailor.
Exactly what i was thinking. Like his this guy even read Ultimate Spider-man? The Amazing Spider-man movies feel more like Ultimate Spider-man comics, and the Raimi movies feel like 616 peter from the comics
Spider-Man Homecoming is kind of the perfect Spider-Man movie, I really liked the movie and how this is a Peter Parker that is young and eager to help out but also makes mistakes and learns from them, just like Tony Stark. My favourite moment from the movie is when we see Spider-Man as a friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man, I just adore that moment so much. Michael Keaton as the Vulture is great and I felt as though I could understand his motivation in hating the rich and how they step on the 1%. In a way, both Peter and Adrian are played as two characters of the same coin in which they aim to prove themselves, Adrian breaks the law and hurts people while Peter helps the people including his own enemies and I love that too. Plus, this movie, much like plenty of other movies, will prove why Keaton is always a badass while being 69 years old. I agree about the Peter and MJ relationship being rushed and a little unnatural, it felt weird how in Homecoming Peter and Liz become a couple and obviously doesn't work out too well, but in Far From Home Peter decides to suddenly want to be in a relationship with MJ. Say what you will but at least in Spider-Man 1 there were teases of Peter and MJ becoming a couple with the "will they won't they" type of deal, and it was a bit dragged out until the end of Spider-Man 2. In The Amazing Spider-Man 1, there's bits of the "will they won't they" between Peter and Gwen, but they decides later on the movie to put them together. I like Spider-Man Far From Home as well even the biggest flaw with the movie is that it wants to be an epilogue for Avengers Endgame and that's fine, but it does struggle with trying to be a Spider-Man sequel. Mysterio preying on the fears of Spider-Man is perfect for a character who creates illusions and Jake Gyllenhaal did a great job with this character and tying everything together with the Iron Man story was really well done in a movie that was about the legacy of Tony Stark and Peter dealing with that pressure of trying to be the next saviour of New York when all we wants to be is a friendly neighbourhood Spider-Man, which is a nice tie in to Spider-Man No Way Home. I love Tom Holland's Spider-Man and Zendaya's MJ and the chemistry they translate on screen, and honestly who the fuck cares if Zendaya doesn't look anything like Kirsten Dunst. As much as I adore the Sam Raimi Spider-Man Trilogy, at least this MJ doesn't always feel like a damsel in distress or incapable of defending themselves but not more capable than the main protagonist.
It really is written beautifully... don’t like the cgi suit. And watts still struggles with directing the swinging scenes. But writing and pacing???? It’s better than the first tobey movie easily and it contends with Spider-Man 2 imo. People just see tony and automatically think it’s trash like 😭😭😭 Peter made the webs. Made the eye technology. He had his own suit. And in the last act of the first 2 movies he gets it done himself his suit having AI is a bit OD. But maaaaaaann it really is a perfect Spider-Man movie like you said. Especially considering what universe he’s in and the fact that’s he’s 15
I personally disagree with the Iron Man stuff. Iron Man between 2015-2017 had some very inconsistent writing and it makes you question his relationship with a 15 year old boy as a protege of sorts. But for the most part homecoming is not a bad movie to me. Far From Home made me realize I was too harsh about Homecoming
I rewatched no way home a couple weeks ago! The movie was very annoying with it’s comedy. And things happen for the sake of comedy.. And then I realized I don’t like this move at all!
Not to mention it's like the MCU was useing the story's as metephors , homecoming Spiderman more of a sidekick to iron man on his own adventure , far from home about him moving on with out iron man and the MCU useing Spiderman as the main hero like iron man was the last 10 years , no way home was him taking up that mantel but doing it in a way that he really is Spiderman now finally able to have his normal adventures on his own , while respecting the original material original movies and MCU
I was just randomly thinking how hard no way home could hit without the background of Tobey and Andrew and instead two other spidermen. The best two that came to mind to me where the ps4 spiderman and the main universe 616 spiderman that could work to a degree
With No Way Home, I can easily say that the MCU trilogy of Spider-man movies is one of the best superhero trilogies out there. Right up there with Captain America's trilogy. While one can critique FFH in certain elements, it is very clear that this entire trilogy is a origin trilogy, meant to setup Peter Parker into what folks mainly associate Spider-man as. And for those who disagree with this storytelling, keep in mind the MCU does this with a lot of its characters. Look at Tony Stark? The character changed and evolved not just in his trilogy but all the MCU films he was in, culminating into Endgame and his sacrifice. Same thing with Peter Parker. A star-eyed kid who idolized the Avengers and wanted to join them for superficial reasons only to recognize what being a hero is and the responsibility it requires. To Finally, here in NWH where he must give up everything to save the people he loves but still shoulders on. And that's Spider-man in a nutshell. The Parker luck, but still Peter Parker continues on.
It is a very balsy choice to go that way but NWH very much was the missing piece in a longer story.
You know...I didn't like the second Holland movie so much, but the first was GREAT. Despite their bizarre reinvention of MJ as a character the first movie was overall enjoyable. Stark being a guest star character was just icing on the cake for me in Homecoming.
I'd go even further than Jay and say that the overall MCU wouldn't have been nearly or even half as good as it was with out RDJ/Stark to carry the franchise, which could be argued he did single handedly. But in Homecoming, he wasn't so overbearing that he overshadowed everything and take away from Peter's spotlight, despite what naysayers try to claim.
Strongly disagree, the action scenes that are supposed to capture the superhero of Spider-Man were absent. He didn’t even fight vulture on the ferry just played tug of war with him then flew away. Then Tom goes and battles shocker in a yard full of school buses and the fight basically ends right away when shocker gets webbed against a bus it was lame the action just isn’t there this movie should be called “Peter Parker: Homecoming”
@@thecollinzboy mcu fans when the film isn't full of over the top actions scenes and instead focuses on the character
I think most of the reasons people don’t like mcu spider man is that the villains don’t have a lot of interest or connections to Peter as much as they have a beef with tony. Makes them less interesting on screen than somebody like goblin
Which is a criticism that's probably worse than "no consequences". Most if not all of Peter's villains in the movies as well as comics start off as villains inspite of Spider-Man, not because of him. They then become connected to him the more their rivalries go on, exactly what happens in these movies. I can guarantee that if you switch Tony with Norman Osborn in the MCU Spider-Man movies, not a single person would EVER make that criticism. You know how I know this? Spectacular Spider-Man did the same thing. Villains in that show are villains because of Norman or themselves and situations around them, not Spider-Man. The only one that I remember that is a villain due to Spider-Man's actions is Venom.
I have no qualms about Toms spidey being different. I enjoy it. But to deny obvious writing flaws in them is dumb. They mention Uncle Ben died in Civil War, but we never see how that affects Peter years after he is gone. We are just supposed to assume he's moved on and forgotten about him. Again, nothing wrong with Tony being the father figure but they needed to show that Peter doesn't want Tony to control him because he had an Uncle raise him his whole life. This is where the New Batman got it right, you don't need origin stories but you can't ignore the people who have had an impact on your life. The new Batman shows through visual subtext that he isn't over their parents death without showing it. Also, Peter as a teenager is supposed to have problems. Teenagers lives aren't easy (Im sorry trying to say that Toms life needs to be happy and perfect is dumb). Peter goes to a private school but lives in the projects?? (Make that make sense). Aannnd we barely get enough of Aunt May. In the beginning of Far from Home, we get Aunt May accepting Peter but at the end of Homecoming she says wtf. Where is the scene where he has to convince her? And Im sorry Zendaya is mid not because of being black or being different but because their relationship is perfect. Again a 17 year old teenager would not have a perfect relationship with a girl because he is immature. If peter is supposed to be learning what it means to be Spiderman, aaaandd he doesn't want to Peter needs to be more needy in his romantic life. Because him being neeedy makes sense to his personality of running away from problems. Aand to show that the relationship has problems, you need Zendaya to struggle to set boundaries because she loves him but can't force him to be Spidey, BECAUSE TOM has to learn that on his own. That's what should have been showed. It just doesn't make sense that he can have a perfect love life if he is struggling to confront and accept that he is Spiderman.
Really long analysis, TL;DR I liked Homecoming but could've had less Stark, didn't like Far From Home, loved No Way Home.
For me it started of pretty strong with Homecoming, still wasn't a fan of how much Tony was involved with Peter from mentor/father figure to being the influence of the villian making it feeling to me that he wasn't Spider-man but rather a sidekick in a sense. Still never been a fan of the MCU's Flash not feeling like a bully and like you said Liz and MJ relationship with knowledge of what comes later felt disjointed to this movie. Regardless still was a fan of Keaton's Vulture, his interactions with Peter, Peter's depiction as a teen with Ned, and Peter's conflict of when he should be Spider-man. Have many issues but still a strong movie.
Next Far From Home is a movie I liked less the more as time passed. It once again focused a lot of Iron Man, which I get that he died but also once again this time the plot being who's essentially gonna be the next Iron Man and Mysterio tied heavily to Tony again. From the Mysterio reveal exposistion scene and how he was really unconvincing to "Nick Fury" about his plot after felt like the movie was handholding us through the plot which imo was unnecessary, and the jokes overall landed less for me in this than Homecoming. But there still were some highlights like they Mysterio scene imo still one of the best in the MCU, Ned was still entertaining, Peter himself growing his independence and trying to be better than Tony than following his shadow albeit with Tony's tech. Plus the ending reveal set up and J.K. Simmons coming back. Overall by this point I was considering just being done with MCU Spider-man.
As for the MJ controversy, I understand the issues people had that she's almost nothing like Mary Jane yet goes by MJ but as her own new character I liked the portrayal. If they just never called her MJ it would've been better received.
However, for No Way Home not only satisfied me nostalgia wise, but also sold me on Holland's Spider-man.
(No Way Home Spoilers)
Starting of with Dr Strange, I was concerned he'd become the mentor/father figure replacement for Tony but instead I love that despite his ignorance he stood for his morales and actually challenged Strange's plans.
Carrying on with Peter's decision I loved seeing again Peter's compassion for the villians like Vulture but to a greater extent making an impact but ultimately leading Peter losing someone. Having to deal with him taking responsibility for it but ultimately carrying out the same objective he had in mind irrespective of the passing.
Going into more detail of the passing I felt this was by far the best tragedy Holland's Spider-man dealt with since it covered Peter's quintessential characteristics, him blaming himself, using this a moment to fuel his actions by carrying out the what the person embarked to him, and his struggle of maintaining his morales after said event.
Lastly for Holland's Spider-man I loved the ending imo really showing how far he'd grown not just from the beginning of the movie but of the trilogy standing up truly on his own for that matter for the betterment of those he cared for whilst still showing he hadn't abandoned either sides of his life.
This was only what I loved from Holland's Spider-man but I also loved the bringing back of characters and how said actors portrayed them, the interactions between many of said characters, learning how some developed since we last saw them, through the movie and how they all felt they had good screen time despite how many of them returned.
People love Insomniac but shit on Tom.
Btw Tom does have and uncle Ben. Literally the same shit insomniac Spider-Man does Tom did.
Both Lost Ben, and May
Live in a World with other heroes
Don’t take pictures for the bugle
Experienced the multiverse
Advance tech
Now Tom lost most of his tech, has no connections with the avengers, lives alone, is in college, and has the most comic accurate Spider-Man suit in a film. Explain why everyone loves insomniac but not Tom? They both did the same shit, Tom fixed it and insomniac doubled down with iron spider legs.
Love the character but his movie were ok
Away felt like the character was drag along by other
Character he never felt like he grew into his own character till
The third movie
Tom Holland’s Spider-Man is my favorite hands down. I never really liked Tobey’s Spider-Man THAT MUCH.
I like how Jay explained that tokenization thing
Funny part about the hate on MCU M.J. is that this isn't even Mary Jane, this is Michelle Jones.
Added this to watch later, I’ll be back !
The vulture is one of my favorite movie villains!
I think that the main problem for me with Toms films is they don’t feel special. They aren’t unique enough from the other MCU films so when you go back to watch them you keep feeling like you’ve seen it more times than you have. This is a problem I’ve personally been having which is I feel like you can’t judge the MCU films as films you have to judge them as MCU films. Nothing special and very Samy. I think TASM1 and Tobeys first 2 are better films than all three of them cause there are no films like it which can’t be said for Toms films
I actually agree 110%, all mcu movies have this forgettable tone like if an mcu movie was playing for free on my cable provider I don’t think I would watch it, but there are really only like two movies that feel decent being infinity war and endgame. The rest don’t have these stellar action scenes, soundtrack and camera work
If you like far from home you're not in the wrong everyone cares for spiderman everyone wants the character to do well. The thing is that everyone has different taste and opinions on what makes a good spiderman As someone who felt like I was in the wrong for years for liking the Tasm series and not really connecting with the mcu spiderman and I felt disconnected and in the wrong for not thinking Tom or Tobey was the best for 5 years. After hearing for years that Andrew was the worst people are finally realizing maybe they were to harsh on him
I gotta disagree on the music I remember it pretty well and It's been a while since I've heard it.
are you gonna make a no way home trailer once you watch it?
I have seen it and will review it in a few days. I was waiting till everyone had seen the movie and since we're pretty far out now I'm comfortable releasing my review very soon. Just took me a bit to get through the rest. I appreciate the patience and the interest!
Thank you for making this video, I don’t feel crazy for loving these movies now
I liked Homecoming okay, and thought how it fit a handful of villains in one movie is something few CBM have pulled off, which is good because I'm always arguing for the highest possible achivement. But then you have unecessary oversights like Peter's classmated all having 300 IQs, and he fell head over heels for Micheal Jackson in one scene. If Liz was Betty as per the original comics, it would have been a great choice, but she and Ned shouldn't be so important. Look at JJJ in the raimi films, he doesn't really affect the plot because he's goofy, but Ned does. And the throwaway girfriend would work if she was more or less in the background.
27:14 no you are not wrong. It is on individual taste to like or not like something. I may say that Spiderman 3 was much darker movie than Spiderman Far From Home. Emo Peter dance scenes are the best scenes of the entire movie and I do not give a famn if everyone else hate it. Again it is up to individual taste.
I don't like homecoming, way too boring and uneventful to me, Far from Home is a lil better to me but. No way home is my favorite, from the way Tom is, and finally the stakes and tone of this movie.
Even without Iron Man popping up every other scene he still is NOTHING like Peter Parker
Say what you want about Tom Hollands spider man but at least it gave us hot aunt may.
I was never a big fan of the mcu spiderman going into no way home. I didn't like homecoming at all and I was uninterested in far from home but no way home turned that around for me completely and Tom finally feels like spiderman to me
Great video!
Homecoming is still the best MCU Spider-man movie
And the worst Spider-Man movie of all time in general
@@thecollinzboy I think that distinction goes to spider-man 3. There's a lot about that movie that just doesn't work, although I still enjoy watching it.
@@Iam123-i5j well can I ask how? If I grade that movie overall with regard to camera work, soundtrack, action scenes it performs on all fronts. After watching it I realized that everyone in that film had their own musical theme which was sandman, venom, black suit Spider-Man, normal Spider-Man, Harry hobgoblin, and emo Peter parker all had their own unique theme. If we’re now talking camera work the scene when black suit Spider-Man first gets his black suit and sees his reflection was epic, the church sequence when he gets rid of the symbiote to Eddie Brock I also admired the 2 great action sequences the one with Harry on the glider coming to Peter from his back and the underground sandman fight scene. I just feel to say Spider-Man 3 is the worst seems a bit harsh considering everything I just listed. Homecoming reason why I didn’t like it was because the action really wasn’t there like for me when he’s on the ferry he has a tug of war kind of deal when he tries webbing his gun they actually didn’t fight each other just tug of war idk
@@thecollinzboy There were moments in spider-man man 3 where the drama could've been settled with a simple conversation. Especially between Peter and MJ
I think why some people don’t like these movies is because they think his life’s to easy in comparison to other movies and the comics
It's a nightmare era
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My main complaint about Homecoming is that it's not a Spider-Man movie. It's an iron man movie with a Spider-Man paint job. I also love Iron Man 3, but I don't want a Spider-Man version of that. I want a Spider-Man story about Peter and his responsibilities to the people close to him and himself, not about how "he *can* do it without the suit!" Which doesn't even matter because Peter takes the iron spider suit in Infinity War anyway. Same issue with The Vulture, it's just the Iron Man 2 villain again. Someone Tony screwed is coming back to take him down with similar technology. It's done better than Iron Man 2, but again, the most interesting parts of this movie are about Tony, not Spider-Man.
Peter himself is just a more irritating version of Tony in the first 2 Spider-Man movies, and I get part of his arc is he's supposed to gradually separate himself from that, but it makes his character utterly uninteresting for me to follow in these films. Plus everyone around him is just fine with him being Spider-Man. I hate how Aunt May just lets him do it and takes advantage of it like a creepy helicopter parent, and MJ and Ned think it's cool and help him. Where is the character conflict? Where's the drama? Where's the story? Again, Peter and his allies have little to none, and it all comes from Tony.
I'm aware No Way Home fixes a lot of these problems and gives the trilogy a greater purpose, but that doesn't automatically mean the first 2 movies by themselves are better for it. I don't believe for a second No Way Home was the plan all along, I think it was listening to the criticism and backtracking, which I appreciate, but again doesn't make me like the dullness of Peter's story in the first 2 movies.
Peter is nothing like Iron Man in these movies
@@excalibur2772 That's part of the problem. Personality-wise he's a blank slate for the most part.
It only just started
I'm still not a fan of Tony being a father figure to peter. They were painted as enemies in a lot of comics for a reason they're two different people and believe in two different ideology. While I like the mcu Tony Stark the mcu did a good job humanizing stark but I always felt like the relationship between Tony and Peter was undercooked and under developed and as a result I didn't like it at all
That's the thing though, the MCU versions of these characters were at very different points in their life. Instead of Mid-20's (like in Comics Civil War) Peter is mid teens and not fully developed as a person let alone a hero when we meet him. If we were taking Tobey's Peter and making him have Tony as a father figure I'd completely agree, but the Tom rendition of the character is more akin to Ultimate Spidey age wise but with the more respectful and reverent attitude of classic Spider-Man.
I guess what I'm saying is that comics wise that makes complete sense but it seems like this Tony is a way better person both ideologically and morally than the comics one and this Peter is very different to. I think for the characters they are it makes sense.
I didn't enjoy Holland trilogy because it felt like it wasn't spider-man to me, too me spider-man is an asshole but in the fun way, he has called doc ock fat, vulture an old man who needs to stay in the nursing home. I enjoy that type of spider-man, now people don't have too agree with me that's fine. I enjoyed Andrew Garfield as spider-man he was a POS but he was funny so was Tobey. I don't hate tom Holland I guess I'm old now so maybe that's why I don't get thrill of this spider-man
personally I find Tom way funnier than Tobey but Spider-Man might be a bit harsh in his insults but he's always has been a big softy
@@excalibur2772 true
The MCU Trilogy is good, but it ain’t as good as the Raimi Trilogy. I like how Iron Man filled in for Uncle Ben, especially because we’ve already seen Uncle Ben in two separate cinematic universes.
Spider-Man 3 is not good and none of MCU ones are bad so I would give this the better ratting as a trilogy since it has 3 good to great films.
@@Lord-Emperor-Vader imo Far From Home is a really meh movie, not great, not good, just meh.
@@_NeoL I disagree I personally love Far From Home but Spider-Man 3 is worse than Far From Home since at least nothing was forced in Far From Home like Venom was in Spider-Man 3
Raimi films are ridiculously overrated imo , they have aged like milk and only 2 is all that good while 1 is okay but more of a comedy until the last few scenes which are quite good.
@@excalibur2772 Honestly I like 1 more than 2 I did not like 2 as a kid
When are you planning to do a review on NWH?
I’m just tired of all these high school Peter Parker’s. I feel like Spider-Man should be well… a man, not just a boy. College Peter from Spidey 2 or the PS4 game are 2 of the best stories we’ve had from the character, and I think part of that is due to him being a little more mature than being a little kid.
The point of Spider-Man is that he's the young buck in the universe, think about it, every other hero in the MCU right now are 30 or older.
@@excalibur2772 in the main series of comics, Spidey hasn’t been in high school since the 1960s. (Ultimate isn’t considered main series)
@@johncena2336 I know that but the concept of the character was to be a younger hero than the rest and this Spider-Man is now out of highschool himself
@@johncena2336 Also I don't think Spider-Man 2 is all that great bc the only thing hinging in that movie is his already poor relationship with Mary Jane and he abandons being Spider-Man for just that, even so far as to watch a mugging and do nothing. The villain in the film is a better character who winds up doing the right thing and sacrificing more himself. I do think the train scene ultimately makes up for that and then some but I don't see Spider-Man 2 as some pinnacle of what a Spider-Man story should be, I think FFH does a better job showing that same thematic story.
@@excalibur2772 in Spider-man 2, Peter loses his powers. Their is no way Peter could have stop that mugging without losing his life
I've always had very mixed feelings about Tom Holland's Spider-Man because I absolutely hated how they turned Spidey of all characters into this weird very dependent surrogate son of Iron Man. It certainly didn't help that he was all teched out with Tony's shenanigans either...
That being said I really enjoyed what they did with him in No Way Home. I love that he basically starts all over now and really only became Spider-Man at the very end.
I feel like you’re exaggerating how dependent he actually was. And I think saying he only became Spider-Man at the very end of no way home is wrong. Like why is he only Spider-Man now? Because he made another suit? He already made his own suit before tony found him and made him another one. Tom isn’t even the only peter Parker who didn’t make his own suit. Ultimate Spider-Man didn’t make his either. If you’re talking about him learning great power comes great responsibility. He tells may he already knows that. And he shows it in civil war when taking to Tony. And in homecoming when he decides to go after vulture and in far from home when he decides to stop mysterio or when he helps against the water elemental. It’s more of a reinforcement than a new lesson he had to learn
@@paigeh7892 Hey its fine if you don't agree with me but Tom Holland has easily been the least Spider-Man-like of the three live action versions. It always felt like he was playing second fiddle to all these other heroes. It was like he always needed some other established hero to lean on which simply isn't who Peter Parker is. Peter is someone who struggles a lot but always manages to come out on top... on his own.
In No Way Home Peter finally has nothing which in turn gives him the ability to start over and become the Spidey we all know and love... and not a confused kid who got everything he wanted given to him by Tony Stark.
I know you and others might enjoy this very different take on Peter Parker in the MCU but it really starts to fall apart if you compare him to previous live action versions as well as some comic iterations. On top of that MCU Peter is basically just a white Miles Morales with everything Marvel and Disney borrowed from that character.
If you love this version tho, go ahead. Nothing wrong with that at all. I just think that MCU Peter has been the best in NWH thus far and I'm actually excited for his new trilogy, now that he has the potential to become the actual Spider-Man.
PS: Sorry for the wall of text.
@@wolfbrigade8042 Yeah, I don't agree with a lot of your points. If you're willing to have a more in depth conversation I can (because I want to avoid a needless wall of text) but it is very clear that this trilogy was planned out. NWH wouldn't have been possible without FFH and Homecoming respectively.
So if anything, NWH didn't fix Spider-man because there was no fixing. required The entire trilogy is an origin trilogy, fitting right in line with the MCU's style of storytelling with Tony Stark, Steve Rogers etc.
@@wolfbrigade8042 I don’t Actually care if you like this version of character or not. But the things you said about him are wrong.
he does come out on top on his own. Or as on his own as any version of the character. And He doesn’t have everything handed to him.
He stops vulture on his own and beats mysterio and goblin on his own.
And he’s not a white miles morales, that’s ridiculous. The only thing they actually borow from miles is ganke. Everything else is from peter
Parker. It’s just as flawed as calling miles morales a black peter Parker just because of the similarities they shared before the mcu.
If you hated homecoming because of all his stark tech then why don’t you hate no way home? He was using his iron spider suit against dock ock then used nano tech to subdue him, if anything no way home had him over reliant on gadgets just as bad as homecoming did
GR8 VIDEO
Also thank you!
@@DegenerateJay i love the that you take the time to respond to comments even after hours have passed!!
WHEN WILL U REVIEW NO WAY HOME?
Very soon... I promise! Within the next few days here. My goal is Friday. These take a ton of editing, though the No Way Home one should be a bit... Less. Only because it's a longer video to dive into it more thoroughly but also there's really no film footage of the movie I can use transformatively out there other than some trailers etc.
@@DegenerateJay aight
Eagerly waiting!
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I despise this trilogy. He felt like Spider-Man for 15 minutes in Homecoming then never again until No Way Home when he finally embodied the character. Worst representation of the core of the character we've had in live action. Also: He is NOTHING like Ultimate Spider-Man other than his age, NOTHING
Actually he's fairly similar in his age and his lack of knowing where to take his life along with the fact that he idolized the other Marvel heroes around him. Sure he doesn't swear and he's more respectful and less angry, so in those ways he's not, but it's pretty ridiculous to say they're "nothing" alike.
Dude he didn’t embody the character in no way home. All he did was use nano tech and iron spider against Otto then he acts unbelievably naive again and invites all the villains back to aunt mays apartment and she’s fine with it. He also messed up stranges spell too much in my opinion he just doesn’t come off as a smart peter Parker he’s too dumbed down and also G-rated
So many excuses. Tom Holland's Spiderman is A Spiderman not THE Spiderman
Btw pls don’t compare ultimate Spider-Man to Tom Holland Spider-Man they not the same just because they are kids doesn’t mean they are the same those two Spider-Mens are totally different I’m a big ultimate Spider-Man reader and Tom not like him they don’t even share elements other than they are kids
Saying this in 3 comments doesn't make it right.
EDIT - I thought you were this other guy I read this from 3 times in here. My bad. I still disagree but just don't mind me
@@robbyk7070 I didn’t say the same thing in 3 comments most of them are different topics on Tom and comics so before you talk shit actually read the stuff I say
@@kingjoker8399 Bruh he literally said 5 minutes before you replied that he made a mistake but then you made the same mistake while criticizing him lmfao. Yikes
@@andyowski1515 I didn’t see him say he made a mistake if he did I apologize
@@robbyk7070 oh my apologies for going off man
I liked Homecoming didn’t like Far from Home and loved No way Home
I hated homecoming, hated far from home and thought no way home was okay
No way home is mid
"I am a hipster and I need attention"
This but for the Raimi trilogy
@@andyowski1515 it’s mid you have no taste
@@noahnbr2256 Bruh you're mid lol
@@anhonestrussian7056 great comeback