The Last Sega Genesis Game - Frogger!?
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- How did the very last game on the US Genesis turn out? Let's take a look.
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Opening "Sega" jingle is from Astal for the Sega Saturn.
Ending Music during the credits is from Batman for the Sega Genesis.
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Episode Notes:
1. Captured on the Mega SG.
2. There was also a reboot released on various platforms like the PC and PS1. It was imply called Frogger, as well.
3. I truly believe to this day that most of 1998 and 1999 is when Sega truly lost the market and spelled its own doom. With no presence in the US console market, consumers abandoned Sega in droves. Out of sight and out of mind, Sony and Nintendo lapped up Sega fans by the millions in their absence.
4. NBA Live 98 was released almost a year before Frogger. The Genesis market really ended in 1997 for all intents and purposes.
5. Frogger for the Genesis was only released in the US.
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It always cracked me up that the frog couldn’t swim.
Haha🤣
Yah, just like in the TMNT Nes game, don't fall in the water! You're a turtle!
what about master assassin altair cant swim. can climb to clouds cant swim. maybe related to cats they climb good to not like water.
Grand Theft Frogger...WASTED!
I can't unsee it
This game always reminds me of that Seinfeld episode, where George was trying to preserve his high score by keeping the arcade plugged in with an extension cord while he crossed the road Frogger style lol
9:46 “I had been a Sega fan at this point for close to 20 years” in 1998. Sega Lord X has been there through it all. Truly lives up to the name.
He sounds so young for an 83 year old
just a reminder: Sega's first arcade game came out in 1966, the electromechanical Periscope
@@ChibiKamiPeriscope wasn’t Sega’s first arcade as it was designed by Namco + built by Sega
His full name is Sega Time Lord X
He probably meant ten years...
These kind of videos are always my favorite. Not just reviewing the game in correlation of what else was coming out. But the atmosphere and mindset of being a fan in that time.
Anyone can review a game. But not everyone can tell us what it was like being a true fan back then.
That's why SegalordX is the best! His voice captures the emotion of what he is reviewing. I love the fact that he's older than most of us and has a real great history with Sega consoles and many others. Love hearing his stories from those days as he tells them like an older brother, an Obiwan-Kenobi of the classic eras of gaming.
I hear that George Costanza bought this alongside a Genesis 3 right before going to jail for a year.
I heard George had a record score for that game
He had to carry the arcade cabinet across the street to the other shop without cutting the power.
@@Oysterblade84 i remember that episode. i loved how they brought the game to life by have George doge traffic like Frogger
That Seinfeld episode was also in 1998. Must have been the year of a Frogger resurgence.
I rather prefer having Frogger as the last game of a console than any FIFA or Just Dance!
Well said 👏🏻 👏🏻👏🏻
would have preferred sor4
@@maxeverdriveme too
Easy choice
Nah...
I didn’t realise that the Genesis had a few extra games released, the last UK PAL game for the Mega Drive was The Lost World: Jurassic Park!
Fun fact: in the film, Ian Malcolm’s daughter, Kelly, says that someone is boring because they “don’t even have SEGA”.
at that point I guess PlayStation was still too young a brand and not "cool" enough yet. I'd say that started in 1998
@@Nintenboy01 There's a great interview with one of the graphic designers who worked on segas advertising and he says that the idea they worked with for Sega was "Nintendo is the thing you have, the thing your friend has - but Sega? Sega is the thing your older brother has alongside his cool posters and black t-shirts". I always thought that made so much sense, they definitely nailed that vibe. Nintendo is for kids, this is the next level.
If you take into account writing, pre production, post production and the actual shooting of the film, that line as probably written in 95/96 and Sega definitely still had enough of their "cool older brother" branding intact at that point.
Actually the last PAL release for the Mega Drive was FIFA 98.
@@Adamtendo_player_1 Nooo, I really didn’t know that, that’s shattered my illusion. Thanks for the info!
Frogger should have been packaged with a few other arcade conversions, not just FROGGER by itself.
I actually have this copy along with the PS1 version of Frogger. The reason it has Hasbro's name on it was that during the mid to late 90s, Hasbro was dipping their toes in gaming with their own development team that didn't last called "Hasbro Interactive" with a few licensed kid-friendly titles, and Frogger at the time just so happened to be one of them along with a wave of other remakes such as Pong, Q*bert and later published the Dreamcast port of Daytona USA 2001.
I had the PS1 version too, I actually really liked it
I could be misremembering, but I think it was around 1998 that "retro" videogames from the early 80's were again coming back into vouge. I remember playing Dig Dug on PC around this time, and absolutely loving that. Releasing Frogger on the Genesis seems weird out of context, but I think that the idea was to get in on when people cared about retro games before maybe they wouldn't again.
Yes, I remember that gaming magazines were starting to have retrogaming sections, and that's how I became interested in gaming history
The late 90’s were a time of rapid development in video game emulation, which meant devs could write one program for multiple games, resulting in classic game compilations like Namco Museum and Atari Arcade Party. Both commercial and homebrew emulation made retro gaming more popular, which also resulted in a few ports (not emulated) like this one and Mr. Do! on the SNES.
I was eleven when this one came out. Used to rent it and Williams Arcade's Greatest Hits quite a bit. You might expect a kid that age to be thoroughly unimpressed by a 1981 arcade game that didn't exactly push the system to its limits, but even back then I seemed to have a certain fondness for gaming history.
Hey man I feel the same. Back in 98 my favorite game was Dig Dug.
I played the absoulte shitt out of the game on our familys windows 98 PC.
I didn't play the original arcade till this week when I went to the National Videogame Museum.
I was a newborn when this came out.
You gotta remember that this was when retrogaming first began and there were young adults who missed the unique gameplay of early 80s arcade titles. Yes graphics had to be hot during the 90s but that came that came at the expense of good gameplay. That's why there were classic arcade compilations like Namco Museum for the 32 bit systems.
I've played remade arcade games with improved graphics back in the 90s and while I enjoyed them back then, they just hadn't aged well unlike the original pixelated arcade sprites from the 80s.
It is crazy to see the difference between the first EA NBA game on the Genesis and the last one. It's like it's practically a different console
I never played NBA Live 98 on the Genesis but my cousins and I played the shit out of NBA Live 95...it was a really good basketball game.
It's crazy to see the jump between NBA Showdown 94 and NBA Live 95. They only came out 7 months apart. Live 95' looks next gen in comparison.
@@supersexysega Technically was in terms of game engine that they first used in Lakers vs Celtics. NBA Showdown was mostly a roster update to Bulls vs Blazers.
Sheee-yit! I had Frogger on ColecoVision! Heh, yah, that's how old I am! Heh!
I play Frogger on my Colecovision regularly. Good arcade port and an addictive game
I remember that being a solid version. I had trouble with the controller though, coming over from Atari.
@@josephbradshaw6985 i have an actual working Frogger cabinet. IIRC i think i paid 1500 for it
@@mattalan6618 hope the crt holds out
@@josephbradshaw6985 atari or genesis controllers work. I have the coleco super action controller which is not bad actually.
@@Koexistence13 it should seeing as i just replaced it
The end of this video ties in with Matt McMuscles recent "What Happened?" Saturn video I just watched. Love it when creators have this coincidental synergy. Great video!
I believe Matt even watches this channel sometimes too.
Good to know in the end, Genesis finally achieved *perfect arcade replication!* 😂 Thanks Lordster! SEEEEEEEEEGAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!
All I know is that Sega was made great by its North American division. While Japan knew how to make awesome games, it was overseas where they knew how to handle the company. They should have kept that way
I think it was Hasbro trying to maximize its Frooger license by puting it SOMEWHERE in the Sega and Nintendo ecosystems. But the contract with Sony probibited N64 and Saturn versions.
Also I think it was timed with the Seinfeld "Frogger episode". A bunch of Seinfeld fans wanted Frogger and the Genesis seemed to be the easiest way to get it out.
For some bizarre reason, I kinda like this port! It doesn't do anything spectacular. No additional features, no major alterations...it does NOTHING new. It knows what it wants to be and it achieves that perfectly, and it doesn't care about anything else. It's Frogger on the Sega Genesis.
For someone who played pretty much every Frogger port ever made (for some reason), this is actually the closest thing to the arcade original we ever got! Every port after this has changed the music, altered graphics, and everything in between. Yes, this stuff matters to me. Somebody has to complain about it, I guess.
And comparing this port to the SNES version...it was no contest. No music, ugly graphics, annoying sound effects...how could I accept that god-awful SNES port if I know that the Genesis port exists? And it hurts, since my retro home turf is the SNES since I first held a game controller. And the worst part?
Frogger was the last SNES game as well.
I love Frogger and love Sega Genesis!!
Donald Duck in Maui Mallard is Shadow Cold.
I would have liked a modern update with this, but honestly, looking at how the SNES updated graphics look, this is probably for the best.
Beautiful storytelling here. Such an symbolic final release. As you said, it's sort of a book end -- the Genesis ends as it began, with great/accurate arcade conversions. Yet what it told to gamers was that Sega's products couldn't compete with its contemporaries. It's hard to say as a Sega fan myself, but when you look at what was going on with Sega at the time, it's a miracle that the Dreamcast was such a great "final hurrah" for Sega in the console market.
Of course, their arcade presence and purview as publishers lived/lives on so many years later...thankfully!
It's strange to think that the last officially licensed game on both the Sega Genesis and Super Nintendo here in NA was Majesco and Morning Star's Frogger, both licensed from and piggybacking off of what Hasbro was doing with the hazard hopping frog on the PS1 and PC at the time, both essentially playing like the 1981 arcade original, and yet they each had wildly different presentations. What's funnier is that both versions are also slightly different for crediting the original arcade game: Sega on the Genesis, and Konami on the SNES (while Konami developed the game, Sega at least co-published the game in all regions and maintained partial copyright to it up to that point).
If Frogger ‘98’s box-art looks familiar, that’s because it just reuses the box-art from the PS1 reimagining of the game released a year prior.
It was physically the last on Genesis, aka mega drive but it didn't stop creator's to make awesome homebrew or same bootleg games to follow as well and still to this day after the success of genesis back in the 90s
This reminds me of when the NES died for me, I remember playing Wario's Woods, and felt a sense of sadness. Same with Sonic 3D Blast in 1997. To me, it felt like my childhood was ending, and sure enough, high school started in 1999. It saddens me to know everything I ever loved is gone, and at 37, I'm looking ahead wondering if there's anything left... and it doesn't look like it...
@Asphyxx Was feeling sentimental last night.
Nintendo’s is the last line and link to our childhood and what was and is great about gaming and if Nintendo dies then gaming dies for me and with Sega bowing out of the console market, it was the beginning of the end for gaming as we know it.
I prefer The Genesis version of Frogger since it is like the arcade, I think the snes version looks bad and it doesn't even have music like the Genesis.
You can keep praying and making offerings to the SEGA Lordz but they're not hearing you.
I would pick the SNES version which makes the Genesis version seem even more bare bones and lazy in comparison.
This has nothing to do with the episode but I noticed the intro was probably rendered for a ultra-wide screen and is squished when presented in a 16:9 display, it needs horizontal cropping so the CG will be presented properly.
Sega Lorne went pretty deep with the fate of Sega at the end there. End of an era.
We could at least get Alien Soldier. My favorite Sega Genesis by a large margin
Sega Genesis got sega too drunk, they lost their minds 😂😂
This. They got lost in the sauce and didn't know what to with their fame. Hate to see it.
They got comfortable selling old tech. They sold some potentially great games with terrible graphics. They really underestimated their customers and their competition.
@@technofeeliak as a Sega fan...we expect them to either completely miss the mark, resentfully* ignore the north American market or outright disrespect them American dollars that got them fat
friggin 32x man, I hate that add-ON
@@Jigsaw2383 I don't hate it, I think it could've worked with a totally new strategy. I like the Sega CD quite a lot though, there are really good games once you get past the fmv junk
A game that could easily have been made on the Master System, it even uses PSG audio only leaving the FM idle. The good thing about this game is that it can be easily changed to play in PAL format by changing the U to an E in the ROM header. By reversing the region lockout it blocks it in NTSC U.
Great video as always SegalordX and agree that this game is not what you'd expect to end the 16-bit Mega Drive/Genesis.
This was my first genesis game I bought
It is funny, looking back with the benefit of hindsight, you can really see where all the cracks were with the mismanagement at Sega.
Whether it was the complete abandonment of the Genesis. Or the domination that they allowed from PlayStation with Saturn in the US really falling on it’s face. What happened during the Dreamcast generation sadly shouldn’t have been a surprise but we didn’t know at the time what should’ve been obvious. The US and Japanese sides were at each other’s throats and we’re making everything much worse. Truly everything was doomed at a certain point.
@Benjamin Jagun
The problem is Sega Japan had given Sega of America too much power. I mean look at the power dynamic between Nintendo of America and the Japanese HQ.
They (NOA) basically have the power to promote products and translate said products that's pretty much it, essentially a PR arm.
Every single problem (with Sega) stems from the power dynamic that they created. Many of the worst decisions were made by the Western half of the company.
Which of course is not to say Japan is not to blame for plenty believe me there's more than enough to go around there. But I do think the infighting pretty much made it a losing battle.
Mike drop moment; gaming perfection.
I worked at Toys R Us as high school job in 97-98. We had TONS of copies of this. I did snag those 1998 Saturn games working there. Another crazy score was we got some copies of Shining Force Gamegear for only $5. We had at least a dozen of them at that price, surprised me because most of the 8/16 bit games we had at that time were horrible.
At least it has arcade quality graphics and sound! Seriously though this is a joke to end the hardware on!
That it pretty interesting. A pretty much near perfect port of Frogger. But the rival console had a remake of Frogger. Both have their merits but I strangely might go with the genesis since the original Frogger is too iconic
I bet this version of Frogger plays nice on the Gensis controls, Will have to see what it goes for! In the meantime Road Blasters on the Genesis always has me coming back for more!
Genesis Frogger: Unimpressive, yet essential.
I grew up with the Atari 2600 port and I had the weird SNES remake, but I honestly would've definitely preferred this over any of those.
Segaaa
Segway, to the next better thing.
Same thing happened with me, I was a real SEGA guy, but bought a PS1 in 1998. Which a traded in a few years later, when I thought the Dreamcast was so much better, but that is beside the point.
Thanks for the review! I too share the same nostalgia and similar Sega adventures when younger :)
This is an excellent port of arcade Frogger indeed. I remember when this came out along with SNES Frogger. I prefer Genesis Frogger.
The reason Sega genesis can pull off these amazing graphics because it has that motorola chip that can handle any graphics design thats what makes it so perfect then other Sega console
The Genesis launched about two years before the Super Nintendo. So it makes some sense that it would end sooner as well.
Wait...there was an NBL Live 98 for the Genesis?!
I think this version of Frogger is great, its the original in all its glory!
Hell the Saturn could've got a port of the ps1 version. Its crazy how the Genesis survived for sooo long like wow.
9:35 They could've also done more cartridge releases of games not released in the US. Alien Soldier, Golden Axe III, Pepenga Pengo, Pulseman, and Super Fantasy Zone are some examples. You could even expand it to localizations of third party games since Majesco handled everything Sega Genesis related during 1998 and 1999.
Yup. Sega could have done so much more. They had the games and partners to make it happen.
I like Frogger it's a classic arcade game. 😀👍🎮
You mentioned the sound that it seemed arcade perfect and I actually wondered if the original used a Z80 processor. Sure enough, it had 2 in the cabinet. Z80 was a popular chip in the late 70s early 80s so Sega used it for the SG/Master System. Genesis has 1 for the sound and to play MasterSystem games. Latter half of the 80s, arcades would upgrade to the Motorola 68000, which is the chip that the Genesis uses. You can kind of tell which consoles were initially meant to bring the arcade experience home, because they'd use similar chips to the hardware. Atari would also use the motorola series in later consoles (though they didn't use the Z80 on the originals. Wonder if they went with a cheaper chip to keep the cost of the console down).
Nintendo would never use those popular chips, instead opting for Ricoh. They really jumped ship from arcade development to just focusing on console development instead. I guess they figured with the popular NES, they could make way more money with licenses for cartridges and game sales than expensive cabinets. Smart move in hindsight.
Good review! It is a shame that most (if not all) Sega consoles kind of died with a whimper. It was never easy being a Sega fan. Though, when all cylinders were firing, Sega did release some amazing games!
The funny thing is, the PS1 did a full-on revamp of Frogger a year prior to this game. Most people had already moved onto 3D games with the PS1 and N64 even by '95/'96, so to even see a Genesis game release in '98 seems quite odd. It is amazing to see even new developers creating new Genesis games now as many gamers still enjoy classic style 16-bit games in this day and age! Many 16-bit classics have held up surprisingly well!
I just realized that the OG Frogger was in TATE mode...and also good on the Genesis for reproducing the original sound effects and music almost 100%!
Btw. I know Tate is vertical orientation. Atari messed that up with the 5200 and 2600 versions of Centipede, but not the 7800.
Isn't Tate a shortening of the word Rotate? Yet I heard people pronounce it as 2 syllables. Why is that?
@SegaLordX
here is a poem
Sega 3
It is early morning on a Saturday
and the scattering of people’s feet tickle the concrete underneath
like a multitude of ants tickle the ground when they leave their hills
Today we as a species busy our selves with our pair of societal granted respite days
wherein we laze and glare and cultivate our minds to opulent materialistic decay
I am eight and it is my turn to spend
but without a job or a lavish generous family member to spoil me
I had to count on luck
by the shadow of my father’s feet I followed him to the checkcashing store down the main road.
Underneath the flashy sign that attracts customers and right across from a bus stop I frequently
waited by
I found the face of a president on the ground.
Jackson!
Twenty dollars for an eight year old is like five hundred dollars for a grown up.
Just by sheerluck once again
after I returned home and noticed the Toy Store Ad that began
my video game journey.
Sega Genesis for twenty dollars?
Why I have twenty dollars!
you deserve sega saturn amok game.
I've been a long-time subscriber to your channel and I also really enjoy the content.
I never imagined this game would be the last game on my fav console!
The History behind sounds really interesting, thank you for sharing, as this seems a Love Letter from that Programmer.
I was driving on the highway last night in the rain and saw a frog hopping. Talk about this video being a coincidence!
Neat! Now you should review the Frogger prototype for the Game Gear.
Sega advertised the Genesis as "16-bit power - Arcade graphics & sound", and they were right, that port is perfect!
I went straight from Sega Genesis to Dreamcast and was even playing Sega Genesis in 1999 up until I got the Dreamcast for Christmas that year, though I did get my first computer for Christmas in 1997 and played Sonic games I haven't played before like Sonic CD and Sonic R in 1998.
Also in October 98 was released Duke Nukem 3D as a Brazil exclusive. My brother got me a copy when he was there with his school mates
Sonic extreme was also a letdown, I never finished, I remember my mom finally bought me an Snes and I had 2-3 years from 96-99 of full enjoyment, DK series, Killer Instinct, Mario RPG, and quite a few games I missed on Nintendo console like Batman Returns. Castlevania among others.
Did you played a Unrereleased Prototype of Somic Xtreme?
@@DigiPen92 I think they meant to say one of the other Sonic Saturn games, as the prototypes of Sonic Xtreme were not truly playable beyond certain points.
Haha Jesus I got confused, I meant sonic 3D blast, I was busy working late while writing this comment.
I keep thinking about how the Brazil market not only kept the Genesis alive at that time but the Master System. Given that information and how dominant the Genesis North American market was (I knew a lot of people who still couldn't afford a playstation or Saturn), they could have at minimum kept the sports and action games coming. Lost World proved you could still pull a lot from the Genesis. That said, Frogger with classic graphics but new modes would have rocked.
I remember this came out after the PS1 Frogger game (hence its box art), and I was so bummed it was just a bare-bones arcade port, and didn't have any of the imaginative levels or fantastic multiplayer modes that were in the PS1 Frogger, because 4-player Frogger was a frickin' HOOT
I remember walking through a Toys R Us sometime in 1998 and seeing a stack of Sega Saturn console boxes, countless, being cleared out for $20 brand new. I remember taking a look at it, realizing I hadn’t heard about the Saturn in quite a while anywhere, scoffing at Sega’s incompetence, and continuing in my way sparing no further brain power on that console. I wish I would’ve gotten one of those consoles and bought one. $20 was dirt cheap and even a kid like me had $20 to spare. Hindsight is 20/20 etc etc.
WOW, I had no idea the Genesis got a straight up Frogger conversion, and I'm guessing it was a full cost retail game. I love Frogger as much as the next guy, and it's probably a top 10 retro arcade game for me, but who was asking for this at the time? I can't imagine this sold many copies.
No one believes me when I praise this port. I love the fact that it's closest to the Arcade than some remake. The SNES version has new looks but has no music. The Genesis Version was the last port with the actual arcade music and sounds. Even the $400 arcade 1up doesn't have it. This is an excellent game
I played frogger as a kid on arcade cabinets so for me this is how it should be. Not interested in the SNES version in the least.
You could tell Nintendo was interested in extending the SNES life, while Sega only seemed to worry about the next generation of consoles.
I have a cocktail version of Frogger, played it so much that it needs new joysticks.
I was unaware that this version was available, I do have the gameboy color version of frogger, and it seems really similar to the genesis version
The Genesis launched in 1989 in NA, same year Seinfeld started... The Frogger episode of Seinfeld aired in April of 1998, during it's last season...
The mention of KB toys is how I know you're around the same age as me
In 98’ I was a sophomore/junior in high school so I was mainly playing PS1, Saturn or N64, last games I bought was MK3 and bloodlines on the Genesis since I moved on to newer consoles
I remember seeing this game in Toys R Us but it didn't catch my eye for more than a few seconds. I had moved on to the N64 in 97. Years later I finally played Frogger on the Genesis and I really liked it. Sure its nothing particularly special, but a solid arcade port nonetheless.
I hope sega lord x never goes away
Disappointed not that it wasn't a remake, but that it still didn't look like an exact copy.
As a Genesis (and proud 32X) owner by the time I was ready to go next gen Saturn was dying so I moved onto Sony. Grabbed a N64 a year later. I did grab a Dreamcast but it was dead less than a year after I bought it. It was a sad time to see Sega die like that.
So Sega started the Mega Drive/Gens with modern arcade ports(super Hang On, Altered Beast, Golden Axe) at the time and ends with old school Frogger arcade, at least its 99.9% arcade accurate (1%HUD, lives counter, score to the side rather than top/bottom)
Listening to SL talk about being a sega fan all I can think about is the sadness and dissatisfaction I feel playing current pso.
I am today years old when I found out that there was a Genesis Model 3. Btw I'm 41😅
A 32x version I always thought would have done this game quite well.
it could have been both: the console and cartridge capacity could have handled a "mega frogger" that had a remake or enhanced edition updated, with better graphics and sound, different game modes, a two player mode, extras, AND offer this as an "arcade mode" or "original mode" too.
Yeah, it's 2023 and my favorite game consoles are STILL the SEGA Genesis and Super Nintendo. There was just something about the 16-bit era and both consoles had such awesome exclusive games.
old systems.. especially popular ones never just die out. it was short cited thinking for compnies back then. they finally caught on during the playstation 2 i think haha
The Last Sega Genesis And Super Nintendo Game Frogger What A Life Span For Both Consoles Just Remember Genesis Does What NintenDon’t
Funny, Sega actually did the original Frogger machine. I remember the Atari cartridge having a Sega copyright.
My Frogger experience started on the Intellivision sometime around 1984. There was another great frog game at the time, Frog Bog.
It’s funny though I never knew there was a Frogger on the Genesis.
you buy frogger you get frogger. perfect transaction.
There was already so many good arcade ports of frogger already, this should have been enhanced graphically and the sound.
The whole point was to bring the arcade version to the home and not changing it by completely changing the graphics and game play. Maybe they could of made it have a classic mode and a Genesis Reboot mode or a super mode.
Since at that time that it came out I had alreday moved to Windows 95 I never knew new games for 16BIT systems until I saw Donkey Kong Controy 3 at Blockbutser. That was the only new game I reamber seeing for any 16 bit system after the 32 bit and 64 bit systems came out.
truly, this was the last Sega Genesis game ever released!
It is a bit baffling that the SNES get a remake while the Genesis got a straight port.
I remember this and the SNES version being very cheap and abundant at Toys R US in 98 , 99