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- Will British-made 'Storm Shadow' missiles be allowed to be shot into Russian territory by Ukraine? Keir Starmer and Joe Biden are divided on the missile that Putin fears.
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GO DEEP, UKRAINE, GO DEEP!
Blessings, peace and luck from California to Ukraine. 🙏🙏☮🍀💛💙
During the Vietnam conflict, Russian "fishing boats" just off the island of Guam were sending information to Vietnam whenever the B52s were launched to enable Vietnam to ready their air defenses for them. Karma is a b..........!
So true
Vietnam was not using its weapons against the U.S. No missiles were targeting the heartland of the U.S. You need to take a course in reasoning as you are struggling quite seriously with your logic.
Thanks Luke.
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Tune in afterwards.
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China has told Putin NOT to use nuclear weapons under any circumstances. So what's the issue?
You really believe that?
@@s0ycapitan Xi Jinping privately and publicly warned Putin not to use tactical nukes in Ukraine.
That is probably true but not because China thinks nukes are bad or evil bit rather they do not think they are ready for a larger confrontation just yet
That would be the only reason
@@nicholasmaude6906 They wouldn't be using them in Ukraine.
It would be Faslane and Rammstein etc.
The issue is nuclear weapons. Anything could happen, and we are arsing around with nuclear weapons. That's kind of the issue.
But Russia would not fight a frontal war with NATO. Russia would go exclusively to cyberattacks and terror attacks. Considering the US has yet to label Russia a terror state, that approach might be quite effective for a little while.
Crimea is not Russia.
War without NATO is also worse for Russia !
❤Ukrainians ❤
Good to hear some sober analysis or the consequences of escalation. Far too many armchair generals thinking that such a scenario can be contained.
Meh. We all know what the caution is all about. Most people who don’t make the decisions don’t buy it.
One of the clearest explanations I've heard.
A war with NATO would be disastrous???????????
Really a war with ukraine ( a 3 to 10 day special military operation)
Give Ukraine everything they need to keep their skies empty of Russian aircraft and weapons. Russia will destroy itself given the time. It's more about keeping Ukraine safe until that happens. China will look to their own interests, and as Russia represents around 3% of their exports while the "West" represents more than 50%, it's rather easy to see which side they'd be forced to pic out of self preservation. It's all economics in the end.
You're not only an armchair general, you're an armchair expert in several domains. Congratulations. Perhaps you're correct and it'll all play out as you say. And perhaps nobody backs down and a nuclear weapons is used. I fancy the stakes are too high General Sir.
@@jojonesjojo8919 Hey, it's TH-cam. We're all armchair generals here. I happen this think this general is probably correct.
How deluded
@@jojonesjojo8919 Instead of attacking the person, attack the argument. Please elaborate on what you think I got so badly wrong in my assessment of the situation.
@@jojonesjojo8919 The whole war is down to the stupidity of one armchair general in the kremlin
Whatever. Putin won’t do anything. Gloves off, now.
Have you forgotten Syria when Russia defeated the alliance backed rebels?
thank you
Beijing-backed Quora recently posed the question of how badly would Russia beat NATO, something to that effect. It would be funny if it weren't so sad and dangerous.
"War with NATO would be disastrous for Pooty." You think? War with Ukraine has been disastrous for Pooty. War with NATO would be the END of Pooty.
Refering to your headline,
It could be 'disastrous' for London.
Maybe editing manager needs to review continuity. The interviewer was smirking while the interviewed chap was saying Russia was considering nuclear weapons use when Ukraine was taking land. It's a put together interview because of how sudden the sound cuts off rather than a flowing interview
Luke Jones is Workshop College and Mark Urban, King's College Wimbledon, both co-educational.
Storm Shadow was taken down by Russia defences about a month, i don't see any much game changer, they said the same for f16's
War with Russia would be disastrous for NATO, correction. NATO cannot even supply Ukraine and America wont come to Europe aid if a war breaks out there. Using Ukraine conflict as a comparison is ridiculous, a war between Russia and NATO countries would look differently entirely.
So it's ok for Russia to use their long range weapons. but no one can use them against them? am i missing something?
Its different imagine if Putin gave iran nuclear weapons and helped program them to hit the united states and nato and then iran launches the nukes and hits the united states and nato countries the united states and nato would probably hit russia with nukes first the for giving the nukes to iran then iran would be destroyed its the same thing here so putin would respond the same way we would in this situation its very dangerous!!
Well , you like to play Russian roulette? Good luck, but, eventually it fires... you know.
yes and putin is going to find out he went to far
This was posted as a new video at least twice. It can be quite annoying if you have already watched/listeded to in most cases/, the video, and find yourself listening to it again 🙄
War with Russia will indeed be disastrous for Putin but catastrophic for the Western nations.
Reference: Russia's SAMAT 2 Nuclear Rockets and S550 space bound Missile Defense Systems.
Waking up everyday as Putler is the worst scenario for Putler 🇺🇦🇬🇪🇪🇺🇮🇪
Pootin knows its over he has aged in a matter of days
Putin is St. GEORGE!
To everyone, Crimea is Ukraine. Not to Ukrainians. To everyone.
Let's be clear: Crimea is a part of Ukraine that is currently occupied by violent illegal immigrants from russia. That is the way that every serious person outside of russia understands the situation.
17.3 % of Ukranians declared themselves "Ethic Russians" but in Crimea that was 60% and only 24% declared themselves Ukranian. That is the pre-invasion reality and 77% of all people there speak Russian and any referendum there would be an uncertain outcome for Ukraine those are the facts.
@robertfrancis7767 dubious, but let's say that's true. A foreign country rolling tanks into the sovereign territory of another and then holding a nonsense referendum at gunpoint is not a valid way for that territory to declare independence (and then instantly get "annexed" by the terrorists that invaded).
Can England go and "protect" English speakers in the US? Can Spain just start annexing every country and territory that speaks Spanish? No. And they won't. Because they exist in the modern, civilized world. The rf does not.
Don't worry, though. Once the sick old tsar is gone, the rf will probably have a chance to rejoin the civilized world in 50-100 years. Until then, russia will slowly lose ground economically, demographically, technologically, politically, and in most other ways as compared to the rest of the world. The citizens of the rf, who aren't really citizens, will continue to subsist on whatever the regime can beg from China and North Korea. And potatoes. They can grow potatoes.
Tough generation coming for russia. Luckily for everyone, there aren't that many russian children being born to have to suffer what their idiot parents have done.
@robertfrancis7767 oh your account just joined a year ago! Welcome to TH-cam.
Can't believe they got you working on s Sunday. ;)
Mark Urban🤣
Toute contraire!
why is sims to e an exitment tu use British army personnel and weapons against Russia? Also a Russian retaliation against the UK not acceptable? so, we can hit them but they should not hit us back. Good argument right?
What could Russia do anyway
with more nukes than anyone on the planet?What do u think scooter?
Why is Times Radio only about Putin ? Can't you give us other news Putin, Putin all the time.
Losing the war ...end of him not russia.
10 minutes in and he still hasn't answered the question. We all know what a drone is and does , get on with it Already
More Times skewed reporting and edited comments.
A few facts, winning v losing, until hostilities are ended, the conflict is fluid, no one is winning, no one is losing. At the end, the victor is the side that lost less badly than the other side. Nuclear escalation is not even a credible consideration, that’s why deferents exist. Putin would drink bad tea or fall out of a window before that was ever an option. Not all Russians are daft. The best of what Russia ever had militarily is now gone and it seems it was never that good after all. Russia can’t defend its own borders and China is their biggest threat. The Eastern provinces have always been Chinese in their eyes and soon the map will be redrawn. NATO doesn’t need to do anything.
One point of order that is often misquoted and by this commentator, there is only one Rubicon, not several that can be crossed. It is of course a historical reference and the inference being it is the ‘last straw’
UK, the dog puppy of America😂 Western politics challenge the biggest nuclear power in the world 😂
The on going fantasy of Times Radio 😂
The resident troll yet again
I can only wonder what your Russian bot fantasies are. Do they pay you in carrots? Potatoes? Chocolate cakes? Free water park tickets?
Russia 1 tv promised all of Russia a victory in just three days. Ha ha 😂 🤣 😆 😄 😅
@Anthonythumb And this botski in botski fantasy land repeats the same thing
is like abc Australia
Interesting how often those with the least to fear are the most fearful. Hello Washington...
Almost made it to 2 mins, but nah...it's just silly!
Yes conventional war with NATO would be disastrous for Putler, but nuclear war would be disastrous for NATO.
What nuclear war? Please tell us more. Ha ha 😂 🤣 😆 😄 😅 😀
Please explain how nuclear war wouldn't also be disastrous for Russia.
how much money does stoltenberg make from the arms industry?
100 billion per day😂😂
@@eddyvaneden8017 No its more than that. I heard it was 18 Zillion per hour? Russian bots are so smart!
Do we have a Russian Internet conspiracy theory here? Ha ha 😂 🤣 😆 😄 😅
@@boink800 I am afraid to reply lest I fall out of a window!
I remember fresh young Mark Urban reporting from the Iraq - whilst embedded with the Desert Storm U.S. forces on Newsnight (1994 I think.)
Do we want Putin to wipe out democracy in Eastern Europe and integrate Ukraine into his empire?) And then for Xi Jinping to say: - "Ah ...Putin has beaten The weak timid West so now I can do the same (and I'll have a strong emboldened Russia as an ally to help me if I need help.") And then there's Iran too. 😊
From what I can see Ukraine are doing a fantastic job with the weapons they currently have. We British may as well save our tax-pounds and just leave them to it! 😆
Muppets talking about war 😂
They been saying that since 2012 😅 Russia is doing well, imagine if Russia was dealing with USA by itself they would tear a new hole for USA
Russia 1 tv promised millions of Russians it take only three days. Ha ha 😂 🤣 😆 😄 😅 😀
Russia won this smo. Ukraine has no population left. That’s the reality. The problem is not that’s Ukraine is lost. Nobody talks about the victims of the nato proxy war. It’s about the hegemony of the USA. A snowball effect. The losing party is Europe. GB especially because actually it’s poor has no resources and no production capacity.
China declared all Western countries as broke!
Russia 1 tv told millions of Russians it would all be over in three days. Ha ha 😂 🤣 😆 😄 😅
Do we have any good news today or is it just that Russian doom and gloom? Ha ha 😂 🤣 😆 😄 😅
@@boink800you think it’s funny. I don’t. 1 million dead. Terrible wounded. Destruction.
Smo started whit 40.000 soldiers and negotiating in Ankara. Then flew Boris in and rest is history. But you think different. It all started in 2022! Putler orc vlad.
Have a happy life boink800
Russia has lost much of its conventional fighting force and is economically and demographically sorley weakened for the forseeable future. Hence, it would only be a nuclear conflict which would be a global disaster where China if anyone would be the winner.
There is a certain amount of cowardis explicit in this man's explainatuion of the 'situation'. Cowardis always encourages abuse.
Try that again in English
@@HighFell I DO UNDERSTAND VERY WELL WHAT HE IS SAYING, I THINK KING NOT
Spelling, grammar and punctuation are important in English.
@@HighFell HA HA HA for a intelligent man it does not make any difference not all citizens of the kingdom are literate to a point of mastery , you are not intelligent so you have a problem to understand people
So war with Russia would cake for NATO. A journalist in a safe studio advocated for war. Maybe he thinks war would be limited to Russia.
Where is the evidence that Ukraine needs western help to handle western missiles? I think they can do it on their own.
Both missiles were used against Ukraine, cool
Vote for Harris/Walz to save NATO! 💙🇺🇸💙
What from?
Its unconscionable that the use of nukes can be discussed so flippantly
Daring R to use them
We are at the brink, this is insanity
Picture a meeting by USA, Russia and China conducting diplomacy.
Sorting out a positive future for the planet and everything on it
Imagine a channel like this one promoting it
Lol..nice try Vlad. You seem to forget that it's the object of your boy crush who keeps threatening to uses them. Everyone else is just calling his bluff
It is because nobody would ever use nukes quite simply. It is suicide. We have been on the brink since our very existence on this planet. Human beings are a virus.
Imagine a future in which Eastern Europe is not threatened by the last vestiges of the Golden Horde.
@@markalexander832 The sick minds that spawned the Tsars and other idiots have always had the Russian people treated like garbage. Nothing has changed.
This isn't 1939. No one is going to make a deal with the kremlin at the expense of Ukraine, or Poland, or anywhere else.
I think you two muppets are forgetting that everyone loses in a nuclear war.
Peace talks now!
Times Radio is just garbage!
Nonsense
war with NATO would be disastrous for europe … storm shadow would mean a nuclear war - russia has said this & why wouldn’t they ?
would russia sit back and allow their country to be destroyed by storm shadows ? my guess not.
They got reverse invaded by Ukraine and did nothing.
If we’re so afraid of a nuclear strike that we allow the nuclear threats of an invading, offensive force to dictate our ability to defend ourselves, we may as well give up everything we value now. There is no threat to Russia when they’re not attempting to conquer the sovereign territory of others.
He can go nuclear,but has to understand he then signs his own death warrant.so what does he achieve by it for himself.because don’t get it twisted,he’s all about himself lol
It would be a disaster for Russia. Period.
Russia will do what it always does when it's bluff is called. It'll just say storm shadow missiles won't change anything. Just as they did with tanks, ammo, and fighter jets.
These characters are either warmongering fools or warprofiteers.
Both shameful.
Peskov, is that you? 😂
@@rickywright1264 Yes Peskov directly.
Unfortunately fools do not listen to Peskov until its to late
Its called a 'discussion' about the war mongerer Pukin. Use some critical thinking before speaking. You sound rather naive. And that is quite shameful.
@@rickywright1264he’s just some Serbian putin fanboy
The storm shadow is very pretty weapon that must have been developed by the french.
How many tens of thousands of ukrainians must still die before you admit you were wrong.
Ivan, use a different account for once, give this one a rest 😂
@@rickywright1264 That nearly made sense.
You think Russia should annex Ukraine, then?
Did the little troll make many people angry today? Ha ha 😂 🤣 😆 😄 😅
@@boink800 if anger is haha then yes you are angry
Times radio WW3 enthusiasts channel. A literal death cult.
Glory to the brave people in ukraine fighting for freedom and democracy and independance...go home russia...you are not invited
Fake
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