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- Despite the recent Minsk peace agreement, fighting is continuing in eastern Ukraine, with pro-Russia separatists (DNR) and Ukrainian forces engaging in combat around the town of Debaltseve, which was encircled by the DNR. The nearby town of Uglegorsk, which was captured by the rebels during their push towards Debaltseve last week, has been battered by artillery shelling, with the nearly deserted streets bearing the scars of fierce fighting.
VICE News crossed into the DNR-held territory of Uglegorsk on the eve of the February 15 ceasefire to speak with soldiers and residents about the prospect of a truce.
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Read: "Escape from Debaltseve: How One Convoy Made It Out of Ukraine's Besieged City" - bit.ly/1FoOcO9
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Lel, I feel sad for that Ukrainian soldier... He's burnt to fuck, fingers eviscerated, and the Proruse comes in and says he wants to kill him...
I was thinking the same thing.
But they haven't killed him. That Ukrainian soldier is unbelievably lucky that he was spared at all.
no kidding. you've been blown up and badly burned, and every now and then some crazy Russkie barges into your hospital room and berates you for a while. not to mention he shakes your hand and slaps the shit out of it. "thanks Ivan, that feels great on what's left of my hand."
WhyNotZoidberg
They could still kill him. He isnt safe.
xUnleadedx that's assuming they didn't punch that poor guy's ticket as soon as VICE News left the building. they probably kept him around just for the purpose of getting it on film.
He says "you killed 12 of my friends" but yet you probably killed 12 of his..are we ment to feel sorry for you? it's a 2 way street mate
But it's not like this rebel soldier and his comrades came to kill him. It is they who came to kill people on Donbas soil.
To be 2 way street the rebels should shell Kiev Lvov (Lviv) Ivano-Frankovsk (Ivano-Frankivsk) for a year. This is is quite a ¨one way street¨ !
alex2000 yea, but i didnt heard words like "defense", i herard "assault".
alex2000 exactly.
Erik3E sooo.... how about oddessa, maidan?? you are supporting the openly nazi battalions as well??
During WWII Soviet Union occupied my country and forcefully deported over 100,000 people to Siberia, many of whom were kids. Afterwards Soviets colonised my country with ethnic Russians.
As I now look at the events in Ukraine I notice, on many occasions, that the so called separatists are not only actively promoting, but embracing Soviet values and ideology. The re-emergence of Soviet idealism and Soviet imperialism in Russia and within Russian-speaking communities is extremely worrying to me.
How would Jews feel if Germans would start to re-embrace and re-invent national socialism?
Fighters in "Novorussia" are not freedom fighters, they do not fight for freedom or their families. How can they be freedom fighters when they embrace a regime that killed millions? Novorussia is a complete lie. We've seen novorussia in Transnistria, Balkan Wars, Chechnya and Georgia. When will you wake up?
Same happened in my country. Greetings From Latvia.
Same happened here in Czech. Although it was more forced labor and prisoners who did nothing wrong. Respect!
Greetings from Estonia, same happened here...my great grandparents were taken to Siberia by the Russians and that's where they died...
My family had to flee from Sudetenland becuse the russians would've slaughterd them otherwise.
I am Latvian and this exactly happened. Disgusting that we still have people like this in 21st century.
Wow these guys can offend soldiers, animals, an entire people in less than 5 minutes-
Poroshenko presented a peace plan right after he got elected. He unilaterally declared a ceasefire on June 20.
"Separatists" response? I seem to remember something about an Ukrainian helicopter getting shot down and all occupants getting killed, right after Borodai promised to abide by the ceasefire... but Poroshenko, the blood-thirthy exterminator of russians in east ukraine, extended the ceasefire for 3 more days, with many protesting the decision.
Funny thing is that his plan was remarkably similar to the one drawn up in Minsk later in September (and again to the one in February) - the thing that probably made a difference was that Putin now offered more than "some support" to it and Lavrov didn't call it an ultimatum. Everything that happened after the peace plan of Poroshenko is the fault of the "separatists".
Every soldier, every civilian, every "comrade" that died is YOUR FAULT, PRO-RUSSIANS.
Merely stating this - not looking for a discussion so that you idiots call me a nazi, fascist, jew, fuck, threaten to kill me and my family, etc (I had a lovely 1 hour tour of RT comment section after which I was banned, same on youtube comment section, not banned there though)
Don't forget the civilian airliner that was shot down, and the separatists bragged about it on the web. Then when they realized it was a commercial airliner they removed all of the comments made on social media. And wouldn't even let U.N observers into the crash site to do an analysis. The blood of those innocent people is on their hands.
snakeies66 if it could be proven by the west that the novorossia army was responsible for shooting down the airliner it would have been front page news on blast 24/7. Instead the story has quietly slipped off the radar of our (the west) mainstream media propaganda channels. Reason can only be that Ukraine shot it down either for false flag or because they thought it was Putins plane and western powers want the whole thing dropped now.
I'm sorry that this is happening to Ukraine and even more that we (EU/USA) aren't helping more. I don't understand why the Russians are doing this... It's 2015, not 1939, we should have leanred not to move borders by force.
Emcee Sick
Well the German intelligence did say the "separatists" shot down the aircraft. Not sure what proof they have (didn't check) but apparently they are reliable for pro-russians when they say that 50,000 people have died (but only reliable for them when it blames Ukraine, otherwise it is a tool of propaganda just like the OSCE, UN, HRW, Amnesty, etc when they also blame the separatists).
Emcee Sick
Russia are the ones that said MH17 was shot down by Ukraine because they thought it was Putin. I seem to remember a moscow airport guy stating that it was a lie because Putin's airplane hadn't entered Ukrainian airspace in months - not to mention I doubt Ukraine would have allowed Putin to enter their airspace. Also, that Su-25 Kremlin theory is plain stupidity.
So now can the trolls please shut up and stop saying "Vice is so bias they never show the opposite side of the conflict when the majority of these videos were from the were on that side of the conflict"
Most of these videos make me think vice has the hots for russia
Austin .S Please explain.
ElijahMFearon When Ukraine takes you you're detained. When Russia takes you you're kidnapped! Funny how only one word change can change an opinion!
Oh sorry right the 5 videos out of 94 means Vice news is not biased... right... how?
ElijahMFearon Are you fucking kidding me... www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&es_th=1&ie=UTF-8#q=ukraine%20journalist%20kidnapped&es_th=1
I feel so sorry about the poor ukrainian soldier
I don't. If my guess is right, he was in that tank when it got hit and hes still alive. Which makes him one very, very lucky man.
uegvdczuVF Whoever was in that tank has to be dead. It must have exploded.
I know! He looked so helpless and sad, and rightly so. I hope this conflict can end soon.
jcsv12345 We cant know for sure. He is a tank commander, you can tell he was wearing his tank headgear by the burn marks.
And despite popular belief, tanks don't usually explode the same moment they get hit. His injuries look consistent with someone who had to leave a burning tank.
Oh, well in that case....
Separatist: "You have killed 12 of my friends"...Oh, I wonder what happened to the friends of the ukranian prisioner....
some soldiers don't have respect for each other which is sad because they both should
SirVixIsVexed ya forgot to add the UA battalions
SirVixIsVexed bullshit, its the uaf and other nazi fucks who act like that. its clear to see.
SirVixIsVexed "not tortured"
I wouldnt be so sure about that one. Look at his fingers. Or how he shrugs when that lunatic is approaching him. Im not saying that they did torture them, but Im not sure that they didnt either...
John Lott because when people are defending the land they live on, they do it with the passion of a thousand suns. when people are paid and sometimes forced to fight for their countries army, and are lied to by their own commanders amongst other things, they loose faith somehow.
It's the rebel's fault that all of this happened in the first place. Why the fuck are they blaming Ukraine exactly? What legitimate reason did they have to revolt?
PANTSMONSTER66
Proof?
So because the official language in Ukraine is Ukrainian and not Russian, people decided they were going to get up in arms and cause thousands of deaths and destruction on a scale which would require decades of reparations? Sounds like a fantastic idea.
PANTSMONSTER66 Welcome to Russian propaganda 101, such a law never existed despite russian media reporting on it.
Besides the timing is wrong, seperatists taking territory in Donetsk and Luhansk started shortly after Yanukovych left office. The rest of his government was mostly still in power and would be until six months later during the Rada elections. Also, Poroshenko was just as democratically elected as Yanukovych about a month after Seperatism began.
A new government didn't exist to pass unfair laws when seperatism started. Lets just call it what it is, an attempted power grab by thugs in a destablized country.
PANTSMONSTER66 Declaring yourself a seperate country does kind of exclude you from the political process. You've engaged in a very different kind of political process.
A month is plenty of time to organize an election if you aren't American. Besides, even the Kremlin stated that that election was valid and representative.
The seperation referendums have a number of problems that Poroshenko's election does not. First off, they are unconstitutional. Under Ukrainian constitutional law a referendum can only be valid if the entire population gets to vote in the matter.
Now, one can argue that in those regions Ukrainian law does not apply, but then whose law does? Russia? Then that means they have already effectively annexed the territory and are holding the referendum after the fact.
This raises issues that you really cannot guarantee that the vote is representative because the entity holding it has a vested interest in maintaining it's political influence in the region.
Another thing to keep in mind is that for example the Crimean vote had two options, independence from Ukraine or annexation by Russia. It had no option to remain with Ukraine. Can that referendum truely be called representative?
PANTSMONSTER66
Which falls again into propaganda territory. After Yanukovych fled most of his government was still in power and would remain so until the Rada elections six months later.
That just isn't a coup.
They also attempted to hold votes in Donetsk, Luhansk but were prevented from doing so by the seperatists themselves. You cannot have it both ways.
3:08 ya you calmed down after you broke all his fingers...
As a fan of Vice news and it's reporting of the events not only in Ukraine, but around the world, I must say that i'm disappointed that they seem to be just as biased as RT on this matter. I am a Russian speaker who happens to live in the US. A lot of the translation they do from Russian is incredibly sensationalized.
For instance, towards the end of the video, When the subtitles show the DNR soldier saying, "I will be evil for the rest of my life", they used the literal google-translate translation of the word "Zloy" which in context means i will be extremely angry/ butthurt about what i've seen here over the last few months. Not evil. The man isn't turning into Sauron or Emperor Palpatine here... He's seen some of his best buddies die in the last few days and weeks, all he is saying is that he's going to be pretty salty about that and the Ukranian leadership's decisions for quite some time.
Thanks for your translation, though to me I got the meaning of what "evil" meant in this context.
You should translate for vice
Vice did a video before with mostly Ukrainian civilians and they all blamed the seperatists for shooting mortars and rockets into their homes. Depends on which side of the front you look I suppose.
Only if i get to get into the action myself lol EdiiXHD
I am glad I am not the only one who has noticed these mistranslations. While I am not fluent in Russian or Ukrainian, I know enough to hear and read mistakes, which is fabricating the news, not reporting it. Hm...
It's funny how they blame it all on Poroshenko when in fact he only reacted to a hotbed of armed disorder which any country would do. Rebel's ex-Army leader Strelkov, FSB officer, literally proclaimed that if it wasn't for him and his troops nothing would have happened as the actual separatists, quite few at the moment, would have been defeated within weeks. At the same time it's pretty explainable as the people shown in the video are obviously not right in the head, literally.
If my Russian fellow countrymen had a little more dignity and critical thinking in them, the bloodshed would have stopped months ago.
If Ukrainians "killed many civilians" why did more than a million of them run from DPR and LPR to Ukrainian-held territories and not to Russia? Also, who recently killed civilians shelling Mariupol and Kramatorsk where there were no military targets to hit?
In that case my ass is the United Nations. I rest my case.
Troll.
A single source for the bullshit that came out of your ass?
They did flee to Russia, in fact the majority of Ukrainian refugees fled to Russia.
I from Russia. Here are many ukrainians. Many of them go not only from Donbas, but and from other regions. I know personally 2. Many of them work here and send money to their families. Russian business work in Ukraine and ukrainian business work in Russia. This is civil war.
You hear Ukrainians talking smack about Putin, you hear Ukrainians talking smack about Poroshenko.
You hear Rebels talking smack about Poroshenko, but you never hear a single grunt about Putin.
Who's brainwashed?
*****
Nice joke m8.
1) Putin sends tons of aid to Donbass so DNR civilians do not complain about him,
2) Rebels actually are talking smack about Putin because he does not send military aid or Army to Donbass.
***** Meth was developed for use by soldiers in prolonged combat, big deal.
SteelyGlow Yet the Crimeans complain about not having access to water, food or medicine.
Chris Buckley and it reduces mental capacity, awareness (actual awareness not false jitters). meth is of the devil, truly an evil creation powered by demonic influence. created by pharmaceutical companies. the bible teaches against using Pharmacopeia. troops abusing meth are basically always defeated in battle by non-stimmed troops
Does that guy think that no one die on the Ukrainian side? Does he not realize there are plenty on the other side who won't be going home to their mothers or men who lost their friends? That's what happens when you are in a war, everyone loses.
nah, Ukraine side is using nazi zombie technology, their soldiers are nor dead nor alive... lol
Now sarcasm off, even if let´s say that there are no russian soldiers involved or there is just few hundreeds or thousands of them involved so they cannot be seen by everyone, there is still plenty of war machines which Ukraine never had. As much as Minsk pact is another proof of Russian involment in whole thing when they add up to list of weapons which are supposed to be pulled out of red line, weapons which was either introduced to Russian´s army arsenal just past few years ago or again they were never used before by UA army... but no there are no Russian Army there, there are just tourists with quite a lot of toys
Empathy is hard for some people. Generally, the pro-Russia people, most notably the ones in the fighting, lack certain empathy for their brothers.
The Russian said it himself. He's evil, but only because he thinks that Ukraine is the aggressor. He just doesn't understand that Russia is egging on pro-Russia private militias in order to conquer all of eastern Europe probably all the way up to Poland. That doesn't matter to him though because he thinks that that land is Russia's.
He thinks that the war is necessary and that it's only being prolonged because the Ukranians aren't surrendering. Ukraine knows that if they surrender, Russia wll keep moving forwards and bring 1940s Soviet law into practise in various regions.
@@sam5992 true words and look at the situation now,
@@sam5992 absolutely deluded
are they on drugs or why are all of those dnr guys shaking?
That's what I thought. The last DNR soldier looks high on gun powder !
coz of the bombing. This is what war does to people
Meth is a hell of a drug. :D
Probably hungry, don't get enough sleep, a little bit of shock.
First guy had no front teeth, could be a sign of heroin use. Met some ex heroin addicts around that age, look exactly like him.
These people take up arms and start a war and then they complain that their comrades die in the fighting? ...
***** They can't just declare themselves independent with force by arming themselves from a raided Ukrainian military base and not expect similar aggressive retaliation. That just shows how uncivilized those "novorussians" are, they don't deserve any kind of independence. Also their FSB leader "Strelkov" admitted that he was the one who started the war.
zavtra.ru/content/view/kto-tyi-strelok/
slon.ru/fast/russia/intervyu-strelkova-na-rossii-segodnya-podverglos-dvoynoy-tsenzure-1190377.xhtml
"The epithomy of simplicity"
yeah, if you knew how it was you probably would complain as well.
They aren't the best thinkers in the world, that's for sure.
Fantastic reporting from Vice as usual. Stay safe guys.
hey can u guys do a video about who actually shot down that plane in the separatist region?
There were tanks wrecks in the middle of this town.
It is funny how they say: How can You kill civilians????
Well, that is You who hide Your tanks next to them.
Remember Crimea? It wasn't the little green men that charged into police stations and knocked over fences, it was civilians. The little green men supervised from the back.
DNR guy who wants to remind us that Russians are 100% surely totally definitely not assisting him is so cranked out its not even funny.
SirVixIsVexed I wasn't there, but based on his behavior and the current drug issues Russia is experiencing my guess is that amphetamines were involved.
Based on my experience as a cop, I would also agree, not sure what poison they peddle over there, but that was a tweaker.
It's PTSD. These guys have friends dying, get bombed the hell out and have no sleep. They aren't 18 years old that just left high school thrown on the front to be killed or surrender. They have been fighting for ages for a valid cause.
Mr Rexeh The MLG Yeah, I've always thought wanting to slaughter people was a good cause.
You don't get the 18 year old thing? As in most of the Ukrainian army?
It's sad that young guys just out of school are being killed because of CIA agenda. It's fucking brothers killing brothers for fuck sake.
holy shit I feel bad for that guy. he is clearly a pow and scared shitless of the DNR soilder. They are probably torturing him for information.
his fingers are bandaged, maybe because the militants broke them to force him "cooperate"
It looks like he actually survived a explosion. Based on his face, and his fingers being injured. Something may have cooked off at about arms reach. And he certainly looks scared. Wish him the best.
pit nails he is now a hostage, terrorists use him for propaganda and for demoralisation ukrainian forces
I feel bad for your mother ever gaving birth to a creature like you. So sad :(
Jakatom you seem very angry and keep on making threats at other people you understand that this isn't russia and people are free to say what they want in the west we all believe that russia shot down a aircraft full of civilians and that they annexed Crimea and that they are arming and creating a bigger problem for the only reason that they wanted a port that doesn't freeze in winter and didn't want to lose the armament factory's that make aircraft and helicopter engines in the ukraine bottom line russia has already won but the only losers are the civilians
Those rebals seem a bit crazy to me while the ukrainian forces seem less crazy
Vodka
"There are no bandits here"
Says the bandit
He is not!
I felt bad for the Ukrainian tank operator.
Who the hell translates for you, Vice? The last few episodes of Russian Roulette had horrible Russian to English translations.
Could you give some examples? I'm not a Russian speaker and I'd like to know what they got wrong.
Radi0he4d1 thanks
Radi0he4d1 There are probably different dialects of the Ukrainian language in the place they live, so I wouldn't be surprise if that's the cause for its misinterpretations.....besides it basically has the same meaning...
Radi0he4d1 Just the right proof that showes this is a true propaganda machine.. Ty
DZIchannel12 Translating does not always work or come out in the right way. Most of these phrases were similar. But I guess you are right. Is= was and that definetly sounds like propaganda to me!
*HERE'S THE STORY FROM BOTH SIDES*
*ARE YOU STILL GONNA CRY ABOUT IT???*
A lot of these translations are shit. Despite what Google translator may say to the contrary, злой does not mean evil. At the end, when the separatist is saying he will be "злой" until the end of his life, he is not saying he will be "evil." It means he will be angry/mad/ill-tempered.
Thanks, this is clarifying
I think he meant to say that he will be sick (psychologically) for the rest of his life. It's wrong either way.
Yeah I hate how they simplify and rearrange the translation . It's a locked door for the ones who can't speak it, while having to rely on translator to give us the answers . Fuck they saying alot more then one sentence I can tell. And this goes to all the videos that are translated
Well this word can mean both "evil" or "angry".
Is this intentionally miss translated? I mean Vice has/had native speakers like Simon Ostrovsky working on this series...
VICE News Respect for your journalists. You guys really have the guts to get people out there, right in the middle of the danger zones. Anywhere, anytime. Thanks for your amazing reports.
Alright great coverage VICE, but really? A 4 min video? We're all over here with our dicks in our hands waiting for a new update on this crucial crisis and we get a 4 min video?
they had to edit out everything that was reasonable, that's why the video is so jumpy.
news.vice.com/article/i-had-it-pretty-easy-because-i-was-let-go-simon-ostrovsky-on-his-detention-in-sloviansk
Let's not forget that the last time Vice went to cover the pro-Russian side, those fuckers decided to detain their reporter. He wasn't the only journalist that they captured either.
*****
Yes, exactly! This is what I was talking about. I remembered this happened. Despite this, you see ignorant fucks in the comments of every video complaining about a lack of coverage for the pro-Russians.
***** Yeah, the DNR is so reasonable, with all the beating and threatening journalists who don't report a pro-DNR viewpoint. We all saw the recordings of the leader of the DNR threatening to imprison and murder journalists for reporting anything that made them look bad. It isn't propaganda or spin, it's a direct quote from them.
But I'd wager you never saw that on RT, or don't care. After all, why should a Russian give a shit about truth or rational thought?
The prisoner is clearly tortured. Fingers broken, face beaten (and seems like scalded with hot water?). Also the DNR soldier Kos seems to be under some drugs.
Definitely
They said he was a tank crewman. It pretty much looks like the kind of injuries you would expect if your tank got hit.
You can see that his face is only burned in the parts which are not covered by the tanker headgear.
Gotta love the guy saying 'there are no Russian solders here' while wearing a Russian patch on his military jacket.
He is fighting for russia but isnt
so what ? you can buy camouflage military jacket on amazon. russian military looking way different, im russian and i was there.
Flora camo and russian flag/patches were (are?) very common in Donbass. After all, locals are and see themselves as, simply russians.
That makes you Russian? My Reeboks make me British then I guess.
if i may recall correctly that old russian uniform
The Ukrainian soldier at the end is lucky that the vice cameras are there because if they were not present he would be surely beaten or tortured. Victory to Ukraine!!
He was tortured, look at his hands
@@hasbaraalways4410 and? both sides do this shit. Neither side is innocent.
Something felt a bit off from this dispatch unlike the others and not because its being filmed on the other side for once, but I feel that this dispatch was heavily constrained. For instance, these weren't really clips of interviews as the reporters weren't asking any questions, which is a first for vice news probably out of fear. Plus it was only like what 4 minutes? They were probably being told what to filmed in this dispatch imo, as this dispatch feels very disconnected and unreal, unlike their footage on the Ukrainian side in which they have the freedom to ask what they choose and film what they want.
That guy at 3:50 (the UA guy) just wants to go home and doesn't give two fucks it looks like. Pour guy.
Im sure hes scared shitless being there. Probably careful with what he says so he doesnt get chopped or step on the wrong toes.
Looks like he might of already been beaten to shit judging by his bleeding lips & cheeks, hell the Russian guy having a go at him could of been the one who broke his fingers (hence why he went to shake his hand and then tried to hide his hand under the blanket). Scumbag soldiers don't give a fuck about how PoWs are supposed to be treated, no ones gonna know how he received those injuries.
Ecselsiour your fuckin good
Irean While the rebel guy wants to do what exactly? He *is* home, and the only thing he can do is defend it. Besides, he obviously has PTSD and is being kept on meds (this was intentionally mistranslated). The UA guy had a choice: become a killer of his own people, go to jail or flee the country (as many Ukrainian draftees are doing). He made his choice and is lucky to still be alive, unlike many of those who made the same mistake of coming there.
Ecselsiour Or maybe he just escaped a burning tank? Just look a this face. The part where he had his helmet on is white, while his exposed face is completely red and burned. He is lucky to be alive, I'm sure all of his tank crew is dead.
Its sad things had to resort to all this. I pray for this situation to be sorted out asap. Love from Canada
man did this comment not age well.
russia can go choke on a bag of d*cks
Bad translation in the subtitles. At the end, the rebel soldier says he is "zloy" and that he will be "zloy" for the rest of his life because of the deaths of his 12 comrades. "Zloy" translates two ways - one way means evil, the other means angry or mad. The translator put it as "evil" so you have the rebel saying he's evil and that he's going to be evil for the rest of his life. He was really just saying that he's upset.
A really terrific series of news stories. It's amazing to me that a war is going on in Europe with such little coverage. Thank you VICE News!
They do seem a bit on the murderous side, those rebels. Not at all satisfied until they have slaughtered every Ukrainian like so many chickens.
You would think they'd consider the truce a Victory, as it is almost sure to give them their autonomy. But no. They can barely contain themselves trying to outdo ISIS in threatening with atrocities.
Ukrainian side, in the other dispatches by comparison, comes across as being saddened by the whole thing, more than anything else.
The opinion of 1 guy != thousands of people fighting against the repressive Ukrainian government.
Don't let the anti-Russia propaganda get to you.
x01B The shrill voices calling everybody nazis with no appearant knowledge of neither historic national socialism, nor disgruntled, racist neonazism are all pro-russians. There is no question in my mind now, after 8 months of strife in Ukraine - and before that the many, many instances of russian chicanery of Ukraine via gazprom - from where the most harmfull propaganda is coming from
I have no illusions as to western capitalistic imperialism, and I oppose it in Word, action and writing. But the "anti-russia"-propaganda you are telling me to stay clear comes from the mouth of a rebel leader, in this very video. He is wearing a blue hat if you have trouble seeing him. Also, take a good, hard and long look at the corpse lying in the ruins of a bombed house, also in this video. What kind of people would let it lie there for the dogs to eat - even casualy commenting on it with no regard to the horror of it.
Wake up, man. Put your love front and center and it will become petty clear that this conflict is only going one way. Mushroom clouds on the Horizon - now, who wants that?!? who, in their right minds?
WormholeJim a blue hat with the hammer and sickle on it. Make no mistake, these guys are motivated by the past. Like Putin himself, they want to restore "Russian greatness" as they saw during the Soviet heydays. Will someone tell these ignorant buffoons the wall fell 2 decades ago!?
My perspective is that this is what happens when communication breaks down. Both sides are truly convinced they are fighting for the right thing. They both believe they're the good guys.
A very unpopular opinion. As a Ukrainian I tried to push it but shut the hell up after people started calling me pro-Russian. That's the saddest part about this war.
VICE News crossed into the DNR-held territory of Uglegorsk on the eve of the February 15 ceasefire to speak with soldiers and residents about the prospect of a truce.
Watch: "Flying Drones with the Dnipro Battalion: Russian Roulette (Dispatch 93)" - bit.ly/17f4FWp
Great video!! Completely neutral!!
***** First troll...
Stop calling them rebels!
***** Second troll...
***** What should we call them?
That last scene was very intense with the wounded soldier.
2:41 he is literally wearing fatigues with the Russian flag on it and they they be like "nO wE dOnT hAVe tROoPs iN uKrAiNe"
Not a Russian flag bud
@@Aitvarasspecialiujuoperacijupa Who cares? They all Russians for them
I wonder where all these people now?
Alive? If yeah what’s the opinion now from them?
how to i turn that french warning off at the bottom?
What a striking difference between the interviews with the #Ukrainian soldiers and #Russia-backed militants. Let the whole world see the truth. Thanks for having the guts, VICE News
if the country will be splitted in two, western ukraine, backed by west will become something like south korea and eastern ukraine will become north korea - according their government the most democratic and happiest country in the worl:D
no dumbfuck, it will just become part of russia.
@@asimple Just curious when? Russia turns it into no-man land .
You got to give credit to Mr. Putin. Bringing so much hatred between two people with so much in common that it was hard to tell them apart, in the space of just a year, it's an astonishing accomplishment. And all because a brother wanted to marry the West, and the other didn't want that neither for him, nor his brother.
i had hoped the fella in the beginning was going to say, "don't cut out my words out of context" i was sadly not surprised
I love this channel. Really nice coverage on everything you people report. Thank you.
I feel bad for both sides...
The DNR and the Ukrainian forces both suffered losses.
This is the consequences the war when both sides can't settle their differences amicably in a civilized manner.
The part were he says "Be grateful that they're giving you medicine and allowing you to rest" is mistranslated. The dnr soldier actually said that he is grateful that his medication is working and his head has calmed down after seeing all the carnage
I don’t speak Russian, so you may be right, but his whole body language seemed to be wanting to tear that soldier apart
@@evilemuempire9550 that may be so but i do speak russian and i can confidently stand behind the actual translation
@@dan6625 Fair enough
Also he didn’t say it will make him “evil for life” he said “it will make me angry for life” - the word for angry and evil is similar, but when used in the context used by the soldier, it means angry. The translator they used was not very good…
@@artyparty_av it was intentional
Wow amazing dispatch guys!!
Wow. Interactions between two opposing soldiers. Vice News puts all other news organizations to shame.
not so sure... this video had some pretty vital errors in the translation. and going by previous videos they haven't exactly been very two-sided recently.
Glad too see some coverage from the other side. Honestly I think both sides are equally corrupt.
what are you even trying to say? Why don't you say it instead of posting insults?
Hope people have some discernment and don't believe the shit the last guy is saying. He is the voice of Russians... They now try to look like the good guys.
3-2-1: Russian paid trolls, get ready, respond my post with anger!
That guy talking with the blue beret, is Russian special forces. The beret badge is from a spetznas unit, and if you look on the truck behind him you can see a black bat which is also the symbol for that unit.
how does one turn a head into a ashtray?
And Big Support to Ukraine.Be safe and God with You.You don t loose this fight.
Что значит "Вы пришли на нашу землю?!" Как это украинские войска в Украине могут быть не на своей земле ?? Украинская армия просто ОБЯЗАНА осободить захваченные города от российских наемников и военных РФ (без шевронов как впрочем и в Крыму) В сказки о шахтерах какие поднялись против Украины поверить может только полный идиот или тот кому выгодно делать вид что в это верит. Кстати оружие,танки,патроны и.т.д шахтеры в шахтах откапывают или все таки Россия поставляет для того что б руками "ополченцев "отжать сухопутный коридор в Крым?
so informative and comprehensive video.
I know a girl who fights against the pro-russians and she lost her brother like...six months ago I think. Everything is a loss in a war, even winners have to pay a price in human lives and/or material
I bet u filmed more interviews but you only choosed to show 4 minutes of 2 angry Novorussia soldiers... Wow... Such good journalism
doesn't look like DNR have much military left
Wow, I think this is the most compelling video of the series thus far
"no Russian soliders"
meanwhile Simon's Investigation about active russian serviceman in debaltsevo 😉
The way people discuss and treat each other in these message boards is disgusting and so is nationalism for any corrupt country.
There's nationalism, which is fine and cellar dwellers on youtube which act in extremes due to not having gone outside in a while.
He says, there's no russian army, but have a russian military sign on his clothes. It's ridiculous, even call of duty has said that there's so much ultranationalists in Russia
That's a DPR flag. It has a black stripe instead of the white one (which is on the Russian flag)
They finally went and did a report on the dnr. And the response I get is what I was expecting
good reporting Vice.thank you
War will kill both sides...
What i dont get about the comment section of this serie is that every time an Pro-Russian person says something, he gets yelled at because its not true or they say shit like "how much does the kremlin pay you to write that ?". So why can pro-western people speak up about this subject and not get yelled at. Please, there are just stating there opinion.
Belive me i was trying many times, not just under VICE posts, but those people are completly delusional and primitive... which is quite typical for youtube anyway. There's no point discussing if Russia is involved or about a "nazi coup", it's just pointles.
Will we see anymore of the Soldier, after his this?
You cannot base your soldiers around civillians and attack from that position, then blame the other side when they return fire on your position inadvertently killing innocent people.
Oh wowie, 4 minutes of 2 DNR regulars, really evens the scales guys...
I appreciate the fact that Vice is finally doing a report from the separatist view, but seriously?
DNR seem lovely bunch :)
Your English Subtitiles are blocked out by your FRench Ones , nice one guys.
Now that's propaganda at its finest ,,,,that poor soldier was scared shitless
Long live Novorussia.
You are nazi
First
:D
Such civil, educated and reasonable people..........
Nice to see VICE showing both sides of the story.
1:30 WRONG TRANSLATION. HE SAID "Don't expect ot be spared, UKRY", not "UKRAINIANS".
He WAS NOT talking about ALL UKRAINIANS, he meant UKRAINIAN ARMY.
wow
Please work on translation I see a lot of comments about that
0:36 Ammo rack blown up probably, you wouldnt want to be in that tank when it got hit (probably artillery?)
He doesn't say "I will be evil" but "I will be bad", meaning feel bad, be in a bad state. What kind of a translation is this? Have you ever had somebody close killed. Amazing restrained from the DNR-guy.
Your translation is wonky. At 4:10 he was saying he would be "angry" for life, not "evil"... Might want to get your translator checked out. That's not a minor mistake.
I'd be scared af if I was that man in the hospital tho!
he should be
Honestly I dont understand anything about this war.. how did it start?
Who are the good guys? Why are they fighting? Why is the sky blue? Anybody?
The people of Ukraine protested against the corrupted dictatorship under Yanokovich.
Meanwhile , Russia invaded Crimea just like they did in Georgia ,Moldova and Chechniya except they deployed PMC"s to fight the ukranian army and didnt invade it officially
They translated some speeches uncorrectly and added sentenses which haven't been said
too short
Inside Rebel-Held Uglegorsk: Russian Roulette (Dispatch 94)
Vice reporters and crew members are so brave to go to both sides of the battle field to report what is happening on the other side. No other western news does anything like this. Thank you for bringing this information to us. I hope one day soon the fighting stops, but from these past reports I know that even if the two governments hug it out the people will still feel hate for each other. I do have a question. Was that solider in the bed being kept as a pow?
That guy at the end looked very, very scared. Why are they keeping him there?
I am so glad that the russians I have met in real life, even if they support the separatists, aren't like the ones in RT, youtube, etc.
They don't call you nazi for disagreeing with you and they don't think everything with the separatists is awesome and that they have done so much shit.
Is that last DNR guy on coke or something?
The threats, the way he talks, the gestures, the constant sniffing.
DNR and LNR-of a victory to you brothers
These comment sections always seem like a testament to the sheer confusion in this war
God, it almost looks like the war in the former SFRJ and I feel sorry for the wounded and the civilians.
And people say Vice are biased. Watch those same people preach their scripts and sing their praises now
please make the vlog about the presenter,crew and cameramen