lmao this game literally takes you from "omg that monster Yorinobu killed his poor little frail old father he needs to DIE" to "wtf Saburo is literally the antichrist and unspeakably heinous no wonder his son undermined him at every possible turn"
There was a lot of stuff going on with the Arasaka family. You could run into a bunch of family members following the family line and a couple who abandoned it.
@@bokcoli At the beginning of the game when you are on the elevator to V's apartment he is on ziggy's show talking about how the secure your soul program is a lie and everyone is laughing at him.
*_I have found that people lie, most often deceiving themselves. Not so the dead... The dead are so very, very loud. And yet, lying is not in their nature._* *_It is so... Humbling - to listen to the dead speak._*
Saburo has a pretty good origin story. Highly nationalistic Japanese aviation pilot during WWII, who was injured during a mission but made an "impossible" landing, so despondent about not being able to participate in the defense of the Emperor that he almost committed suicide, but at that moment decided to devote his life to Empire by other means.
If you choose the devil ending. The next game if you’re gonna play as V, the plot would probably literally be Altered Carbon, Arasaka revives you in a new body and gives you a task to complete.
Doesn't Hanako carry his engram with her, anyway? Even if you defeat Arasaka, his engram likely still exists. Only problem would be him struggling to find a host due to V not working with their scientists to understand the process. Either way, he can still be a major future threat.
No. His engram was in Mikoshi and in all the endings except Devil the engrams there including his are absorbed into Alt and they leave with her & Johnny past the blackwall. It's spelled out that Alt is never coming back. So he's still alive, in a way but gone forever.
if you pick the other endings. Alt messes up Arasaka HQ kills Hanako (or Yorinobu sends mercs to secure power) so i bet his Engram is gone. Yorinobu probably nukes Mikoshi anyway
@@Jramssy I know this is several months overdue, but I just finished playing so I'll just say what Hanako said. Saburo had copies of his engram in *every* major arasaka building. Alt killed Mikoshi and Hanako died at some point during the whole mess, but that's it. Odds are there's still a box or three somewhere in the world or orbit with Saburo's name printed on it. That being said it's pretty unlikely Saburo will get his resurrection in those routes unless there's a corpo slave hanging around somewhere obsessed and crazy enough to plug him in after learning saburo's secret plan that let him "survive".
Funny I didn’t think Arasaka was so bad until I tried the Arasaka ending. Sure they were a big corrupt corporation but isn’t every other Corp inevitably a little corrupt to varying degrees. I thought Johnny was just looking for an enemy But damn all the creepy soul harvesting body swapping their family members and basically going for world domination is all kinds of fucked up. Plus what they do to Jackie if you send him to Viks?
Well Jackie’s mind was already half dead (hence Jackie acted like that in the ending) when arasaka swooped in. According to Trauma team they define death in multiple stages (source some lore video about Cyberpunk universe don’t remember which one) Jackie was pretty much in later stages arriving at perma death stage.
@@normaaliihminen722 yep. TraumaTeam have got 10 levels of 'dead' by the 2020's. Iirc, without some form of stabilization (meds or a first aid roll from a Choom) after the 180sec TT boasted arrival time (3mins) a character that was flatlined will be at DeatStage 6 when they get to them. Each stage is harder to revive you from, and takes longer for you to recover from. Once your Choom hits DeatStage 10..... Well, time to check you BodyBank or cash em in for spare parts....(grab your dice and roll up a new character, unless your GM has Highlanders in your house rules xD)
you just need to read the journal you find in saburo's AV in the heist to understand how much of a shithead he is "hellman is loyal, better keep him in a short leash like a dog" "westerners are barbarians" "I should just nuke night city to prevent the relic from falling into the wrong hands" "want to destroy a port city to avenge death of his fellow soldiers in the war" dude is a psycho
Well that's decided. I was going to go try this ending, but it's f horrible. You betray yourself, Johnny, your friends...panam hates your guts if you romanced her. Judy is very angry too. Misty is so heartbroken when she sees the arasaka car. I didn't know this dude was going to just come back. It truly is f up, especially when you know he totally just erased his son from existence.
ok, but consider this: this ending, no metter if pacifist run or not, has the third lowest death rate right behind "pacifist reaper" and suicide ending. In so-called "good" Star ending Alt fries the brains of almoust entire residents of Arasaka Tower and you lost a couple of nomads too. Rogue's Sun ending is even worse: this girl collapses a space station, fry brains of Arasaka employees and Rogue make a distraction bombing run before you attack, and you lose Rogue at the end. And after both endings, a massive corporate war against Militech is looming upon the Night City. Do you think this ending is bad? Think again...
@@secondaryfront there are fates worse than death, pal. Your mind being erased and your body recycled to host a rich guy's persona is something that I wouldn't make my worst enemy pass through
If you are poor and get robbed everyday by the politicians and wealthy corpos, the only thing you can do is hoping that they would die soon due to old age but when they can be born again into a younger body and live forever, that's a different thing.
@@user-xh7xb3op5v Nah, I don't think Hanako and/or Goro by themselves have enough firepower to storm Arasaka, which would be necessary to get Saburo's engram and to get to Yorinobu.
I noticed something when I was deciding with whom I work together in the end. I remembered Hellman in the Motel where he asked if Johnny is manipulating me and if the decisions I make are truly mine or Johnnys. From that point on I was always sceptical when Johnny showed up in a Situation where I had to decide what to do. Hellmans words kept ringing in my head and I wasn't sure if I listen to him, he is manipulating me or if it is the right thing to do. This got me to a point where every decision that involved Johnny turned into a headache. Just Brilliant!
Yea. Jettisoned that overrated character asap with Hanako’s offer for that reason among others. Hated how V killed Smasher and still called out to johnny when like, i always chose every mean dialogue option.
I had a bit of a different reaction, I started viewing Johnny as like another part of my character, instead of viewing him as a separate entity, cause Hellman kinda suggested we we're literally fusing together
Don't really see how that's the case. Even at his strongest at the end of the game, you can still go for Hanako's offer and he does nothing to stop you, even if that meant he dies and Arasaka lives. He doesn't even do anything to impede your progress. You were always responsible for your own actions, Johnny's just there for an opinion.
This report kinda implies too that Arasaka was just toying with V. They likely could have found a new host body to take the engram, but if they freed V of his/her dependency on Arasaka there is nothing stopping V from just continuing the pursuit to destroy Arasaka or even just being a high risk Merc who now has powerful friends in powerful places. Arasaka would much rather have V as an engram eternally bound to them. I get Yorinobu is Saburo's son, but still, the idea that they couldn't possibly find a single host for V just smells of bullshit. The only 2 endings I'd accept as "good" is any variation of the nomad ending where V lives out the rest of their life with their loved one and new family, or one where V never romances anyone, gets nothing but positive voicemails and stormed Arasaka by themself. In that ending Panam thanks V for getting her back on the right path, Judy thanks V for helping her escape Night City and talks about being free at last, River talks about helping arm people to fight the good fight, and Kerry just kinda stays Kerry I guess. Overall best ending outside the nomad
never trust a corp and remember you attempted a heist against them it will hurt their reputation if you walked out alive and possibly be a threat in the future speaking about the romance's I just wished they weren't tide to which ending you got I think that's severely limits the role playing in this game which already is limited to begin with
@@talananiyiyaya8912Isn't that the ending where everyone abandons V? So yeah, still sad. Also it doesn't help to be a condescending asshole in the YT comments section. Just saying.
well...the dude did strangle him after all...turn about is fair play? I mean, he tried to "Redeem" Yourinobu all the way up till his hands wrapped around his throat the SECOND time...bet when he woke up in virtual space, Saburo said "screw it, gave the kid all the chances hes going to get..."
This ending has great potential for the dlc's. Just imagine, Saburo could come back endless times until all people are dead. Although they said the chip needs a compatibility, V was able to somehow match Johnny's, so let's see..
@@odw1n307 ohhh interesting... so in the devil ending when they said they can't find a host for V they were actually lying... they simply didn't want to help V....
@@odw1n307 it's a corpo, what do they get for getting a new host for V? even Hanako has forgotten about V as said by Takemura. They know about the tech and they don't want to make a charity case on V.
@@gunshotslinger V would be a good thing to test on, before going live. That's the only corpo answer I can give you. Depending how easy and costly it is to upload his uhh ego?
That moment you realize that Saburo's engram actually isn't in Mikoshi in ALL endings, according to the Devil Ending. He's in a data drive carried by Hanako by all times. Pair that with Hanako's "mysterious" disappearance in the other 3 endings and you can pretty much guess that Saburo had something to do about it....
Hanako only died in the star ending the rest she disappeared except devil even her death feels like a lie yorinobu told because he had her at the house all that time probably trying to protect her considering her faction is dead
@@greenday9132 i mean that if you take the Devil ending into account, Hanako has a data drive of Saburo that she carries at all times. At the end of that ending, she kills her own brother and implants Saburo into him since the biochips only work on donors with matching or similar DNA to the engram. But here's the kicker: Hanako is also a possible donor. That means that Saburo could have forced Hanako to kill herself in one of the other endings and had Hellman or someone else implanted his engram into her dead body. And I'd assume that Saburo wouldn't want to reveal himself to Yorinobu as Hanako since he knows that Yori would hunt him down in his rage over the death of Hanako, so he probably went to space. Takemura obviously would be kept out of the know since he basically helped you, a terrorist, storm Arasaka HQ, thus making him untrustworthy as a bodyguard. I mean, he didn't even know that Saburo still had an engram of himself.
@@aweshetdima2157 a question does transferring an engram require DNA compatibility tho ? I feel that's a lie told to V because Johnny is able to take Vs body completely
and no1 ever saw that coming, right? i was actually surprised that this didn't happen way earlier in the story, was almost thinking it might never happen...
Yeah, unfortunately this tangent in terms of the game completely undermines the primary story for V. If the tech is 'that' advanced, there should be an option for V to 'procure' his or her own replacement body, and (obviously morally dubious at best) have his or her engram replace that of the replacement body's sentience. Or... easier still, sit on ice, let V's original body be completely subsumed by Johnny then pull Johnny's engram, and reinsert V's, since an exact genetic match obviously isn't required.
the reason this didn't happen in the game was because saburo didn't have access to his sons mind but when when you side with hanoko and get to her brother he pretty much just breaks down and surrenders himself to his sister allowing his body to be captured.
@@lokith1562 but that's what they do in the devil ending. You can choose to upload into mikoshi while they put your body in stasis until they can fix it. Of course tht means becoming the legal property of a sociopathic immortal body snatcher, but surely he'll keep his word right?
@@lokith1562 That is actually an option you can choose in the devil ending. Takemura offers you a choice to either return to night city with 6 months to live or allow them to make an engram of you and you will be put on the list with rich people to get a new body when it is available in return for helping Hanako. Also, I'm assuming it wasn't really possible to make an engram of just V when johnny and V were mixed together. If they tried to make the engram when they were mixed, I'm guessing it would have just been a copy of that exact moment and even if put into another body, johnny's consciousness would still continue to take it over.
What I've learned about the Devil ending is that, Hanako calls and is interested in V to work with her. That implies that if you accept the offer, they may hasten the operation of your health issue and get you back on the grid right away. The only thing I don't disagree with Arasaka's side is the Soulkiller, basically keeping the consciousness immortal even if your body physically dies. It's a world domination. That needs another nuke to take down Mikoshi into rubble. Also, bonus. Misty's tarot reading is always The Moon, because all endings are open ended. Meaning the current story ends for the moment, and it can be continued for future content.
He kept his arrogant son around who joined a gang to ruin business interest in the past to have a spare skin puppet for when his old body fails on him. Universe brain 9D chess champion.
After playing through the Devil ending, cooperating with Arasaka, it put a LOT of the game into perspective. At this point, I'm pretty sure that if Yorinobu isn't a straight up clone of Saburo, then he's definitely a genetically manipulated offspring. He doesn't just favor Saburo, he looks like a carbon copy of him. Saburo has probably been planning this event for most of his life.
Thats probably why he left him alone when Yorinobu was in his rebellious phase, and maybe Yorinobu knew or had a clue of Saburos plan about him and thats why he hated him
@@Hekk. If you side with Aldecaldos or you do suicide run into Arasaka HQ you made huge damage to Arasaka. And from what I remember Hanako dies during the staff meeting when Soburo is making an assassination attempt. So I doubt Arasaka wins in either ending.
@@treopl Six months late on saying this, but oh well! The only ending where it is said Hanako is a “Casualty” is when you and the Aldecados go into Arasaka HQ. During the Suicide Run and Johnny and Rogue run, Hanako is still alive and Yorinobu is now head of Arasaka HQ. He then shuts down anything dealing with “Secure your Soul” and Mikoshi. When you make a deal with the devil, the entire board, with the exception of Hanako and Michiko Arasaka are killed. Yorinobu even says to you that “what ever harm she was in was because of you.” I wonder though, does the Caged Bird leave The Cage like she said she would when her father passed away. Or would the new owner have her coin land on its edge?
ohhhh, that means Mikoshi worked... so if Mikoshi didn't work, then the corporation's stature would begin to collapse either way, things aren't looking great for the lone edgerunner
Remember when they comment on when he was going to commit suicide? I think you could argue from that point onward he was void of a soul or human empathy.
If you want to be specific. Your Consciousness is your soul. So by definition we all have one. Even after death the energy your consciousness consists of doesn't die as it's technically energy. Basically the first law of thermodynamics
Does the Cyberpunk world recognize the personhood of AI? Because that’s what this “reborn” Saburo is, an AI based on the live Saburo’s brain, placed on a chip and plugged into his son’s head. Personally I wouldn’t consider that “rebirth” so much as an cheap imitation, the same way a high-res scan and print out of a signed John Lennon album cover isn’t as valuable as an authentic signature.
You may irrationally feel that way. But if the copy is so good that you can't tell the difference they are the same, only your memories and attachments to events with the vintage one keeps you from recognizing that.
you are absolutely right doc. The Ingram/Secure your soul program is nothing more than a copy of your personality. You are dead when your body dies. (I think that the only true exception to that would perhaps be Rache Bartmoss? but i am not quite sure) What i think is not that he is a flesh puppet or something, with dead yorinobu being dead, but it's Yorinobu with Saburo's personality and memories, implanted by the Ingram. Y'see, the thing that where our soul is based on, the thing that can be defined as "us", is different than the thing that is controlling our emotions and memories. So much so, people return of commas or head-hitting and are the same people, but their personality changed. Hmm, i wonder yet. It wouldn't be quite bad if i could make an "me" as an ingram that would be taking care of my burial/dead body and would finish my stuff. Perhaps they would be aware that they're a copy. It's an "twin" situation, if you ask me. Same DNA, same carbon copy, but different experiences and thereby, different people.
This is worse than the suicide ending. Yorinobu is still free to ruin them but this is a very bleak future, where Saburo becomes god and he decides who lives and dies, only the wealthy will live forever and the poor are condemned to death.
Or what we get is essentially a Cyberpunk version of the game _Satellite Reign_ (a _Syndicate_ style TRPG where the world is controlled by a corporation that can chose who lives and dies, and the group that you work with wants to wrestle control of the network).
Odd, that I missed this vid till now. I've seen him blathering on in the background of the Devil ending before, but it's good to see up close, clearly, how Yorinobu has changed. Notice, he's had every scrap of Cyberware removed. Ive said befor that Saburo is one of the few people you meet in the game that has next to NO cyberware, and this just kinda backs up what I've been saying. Yori used to have neckware, dual chip slots on both sides of his head and I think some eyeware from the looks of it (from memory) The neckware could have just been decorative since it was silver and gold, a rare combination (most rich folks go just for gold I've noticed) but the chipslots and eyeware would not have been. He's even removed those fashion glasses that yori had and replaced them with his old glasses I think.....which makes me wonder if he's wearing them alone, or had his old eyeballs saved and replaced Yorinobu's cybereyes swapped out with them. (Not sure how he managed that, since his stinky old corpsicle is always still lying there on the Konpeki Plaza penhouse floor, even to this day of patch 1.61 DLSS3 lmao. Okay, I know.....in game lore wise, his personal doctors took his body and froze it probably. )
Saburo did actually have cyberware. His arm and eye were replaced because he lost his old ones in WW2. However, it's likely that you're right and Saburo replaced some of Yori's cyberware with cloned organic parts.
I honestly found this ending to be the most interesting, it demonstrates a lot of hypocrisy from the theocrats and religious organizations and the Militech influenced NUSA. There's certainly something to be said about ethical nature of how the technology is implemented and violation of human rights based on Arasaka owning each person as if they're property, but the argument of saying that they're "playing god" is not a foundation NUSA and the religious groups can stand on when they've been playing god and toying with peoples lives all their existence from their ivory towers built on 'Humble Oppression'. I don't believe the very nature of creating a method to bypass death as being evil, otherwise afterlife theories in general are build purely on evil in the same way as they're simply finding a way to provide life and cheat death. What makes the action evil is how the technology is handled, and if its handled responsibly then it could only be for the betterment of mankind, just like most technologies in the world that have brought us to this point. But I guess that also brings up the question of if the Technology is responsible for the person who used its action, is a hammer an evil item because one guy or group used them to cave peoples skulls in instead of building shelters? Is nuclear energy evil because it could and has wiped out thousands while its providing stable living for billions today? Do the few evil uses outweight the good? Alot of discussion could be had involving this entire scenario, but I don't think the tech on itself is evil, however it could be exploited by evil people for evil purposes, especially if Night City doesn't regulate it and caves to corporate control at the expense of the people who provide a steady income for Night City and the corps, the Average Joe and Jane.
"Alot of discussion could be had involving this entire scenario, but I don't think the tech on itself is evil, however it could be exploited by evil people for evil purposes." Arasaka is selling a place in Mikoshi only to the rich and powerful. In the news bits we hear that high-ranking government and corporate officials (same thing in the Cyberpunk world, really) have signed on. The Lizzy Wizzy quest has a Mikoshi rep talking with her manager. The only people getting into Mikoshi and enjoying eternal life are the ones that can afford the price tag. The others? Well, Arasaka has already Soulkilled a fair amount of netrunners, and Johnny suspects they're being used already. So, taking him at face value, if you prove you have skills before Arasaka comes for you, the best you can hope for is to become their attack dog. Second is how they create the engram: Soulkiller. As Johnny explains, Soulkiller kills you in the process of making the engram. So step one of immortality is suicide - or murder, depending on which side of the console you're on. Then you have the brainwashing. It's subtle, but confirmed in the game that the "souls" in Mikoshi can be reprogrammed - they are just programs after all. In the Lizzy Wizzy quest, the Mikoshi rep is asked if the engram can be altered to remove certain personality traits and he subtly implies it's possible. When talking to Johnny about Mikoshi, he outright confirms it in an optional dialogue. So for the rich and powerful, that means becoming more agreeable to Arasaka - because there's no way a megalomaniac like Saburo is letting competition eternally trip him up. For the common man who got in because Arasaka saw some value in them? Slavery. The netrunners they've already Soulkilled could cripple them on the net and V has the potential to defeat their top enforcer, Smasher, WITHOUT being a full 'borg conversion. If either party turned on Arasaka they could burn the company to the ground. There's no way they're getting out of Mikoshi without their loyalty ensured. Finally, you have the engram insertion. For this you need a compatible body. That means either taking the life of some shmuck like Saburo did to Yorinobu or cloning. Thing is, either way is murder as even a clone gains a personality through experiences in it's life until the day the engram is inserted. Even if you used it to save a terminally ill person, like V, you have to kill the person, find or create someone compatible, then murder of their personality to revive the person you were trying to save. So, congrats: you've saved an innocent life by taking an innocent life. From what we are told in-game, there is no beneficial use of this technology. The tech runs off murder, encourages brainwashing, and will perpetuate an eternal plutocracy enforced by an army of slaves. Every step in the process of this tech is designed to be exploited by evil people for evil purposes. As far as I am concerned, it IS straight up evil.
@@CastFromHitPoints While I agree with you on general but your argument falls apart when you assume they going to let clone/doll body have mind of it’s Own. Also those people signed the contract for Mikoshi it’s Not like the gun was pointing to the their head.
I find it evil because it allows powers of oppression to stay in power, no matter what happens to them. You could shoot Saburo on the street now and he. Could just pop right back out the next day. New body, new him. And there’s nothing you can do about it. So it’s refusing the very simple principle of human civilisation. That powers can, will, and should change over time. Maybe not principles, as those are up to the individual, but otherwise a single person should not live forever. It’s simply foul and against what nature intends. Ideas living forever, perhaps, but not people.
@Normaali Ihminen Well not really, concerning the lore of cyberpunk and soul killer, the constructs that were created from it and retained by Arasaka are tortured and interrogated to extract information. And obviously the forceful takeover of a host body from the relic. It really is just built for pure evil.
@@normaaliihminen722 but it is still a life, no? I would like to compare this with infants, humans who are "alive" within the mother's body, but had no time to be a person just yet. They are still an innocent life, which still had its whole life ahead of itself. But then you take that life away, to insert another into it. It would still be saving man, by killing man. For the contract, I would like to see it myself, but I do doubt that in it, it's written with black on white, that Saka is allowed to do such subtle personality changes while the person is an engram of themselves, and even if it did, it can still be seen as evil, since they would be actively changing a person without them knowing. I'd say that the tech is not evil, but the system how it is used, with Arasaka owning it, and being the only one having a say of it.
This is such an evil concept, not wanting to die so bad to the point you play God & create tech that uses you as a host & builds off of it; Alt says so in the blackwall. Its good to point out when you finish the monk gigs johnny wasnt there for any of it, v askes him about the experience or says something about it & johnny's response is "whay the fuck are you talking about". Another note i saw in a comment (credit to @silverbane8065) was how yorinobu's facial structure had changed, he swapped to saburo's glasses & removed his cyberware. As for yorinobu himself, he suffered v's fate & got hijacked. I wonder if yori & v (in johnny's ending) are still in there somewhere, or if theyre truly gone. This franchise is honesly one of the best to come out in recent times
My biggest fear throughout the game is if my words and choices have power and not some stat behind them. Like id to know if what happens is based on “you got 20 points on your relationship with Johnny, and 25 with Panam. Panam dies.” I hate that.
personally, I believe it's his ego. He couldn't bear to let his son reap all the rewards, fame and reputation of his efforts and go down in history as someone other than just a pawn.
Saburo Arasaka holds more power than any of his heir, makes no sense to fight a civil war or purge anyone that oppose Yorinobu while also having to reestablish your own reputation. It also serves as a power move to intimidate his rivals and further solidify the Arasaka brand.
He would have had to constantly struggle with the other branches of the Arasaka corporation, (those who opposed Yorinobu's rule). Something I believe Saburo would never have accepted. On the otherside, he couldn't care less what the rest of the world thought of his "resurrection". We're talking about a man who invested billions to extend his life expectancy.
So wish that CP2077 had another ending where you sided with Yorinobu who reveals that he knows his dad was going to try and come back and asks for your help to stop it and kill his own sister and destroy the other factions in Arasaka. This would be another 'devil' ending and u would need to also kill Takemura and Oda if you spared him.
Yeah a Yorinobu Ending were you destroy every faction around you then Arasaka all so Yorinobu can now build it up back from the ashes as the new overlord.
Supposedly, there has to be a DNA match or relation. The whole soul killer thing doesn't make sense. If Johnny can transfer to V's body even though their DNA doesn't match, then V should be able to transfer back to their own body and just reverse the DNA re-sequencing process. Of if not that, someone else's body should work just as well.
@@tek87 honestly I think the reason V and Johnny matched was because of the circumstances. Being shot, the relic being damaged at 86% before being put into your head, I think the fact that the brain is dependant on the chip is what allows Johnny to transfer. This is just a headcanon tho, not fact
@@tek87 I think it’s implied that V was lucky to even match with Johnny. Every medical and tech person V ask about the relic all said it shouldn’t make sense, so that makes me think V and Johnny working was just 1 in a million kinda thing.
The chip had nanites that rewrote V's DNA. I can't remember when it was said, but I think it was Viktor telling you when you first woke up. It was rewriting your DNA to make your body compatible for Johnny. Now maybe this chip being a prototype was the next step in the process allowing someone to possess an unrelated body, and the one Saburo was on required a family link. So chances are Saburo's next body hop might not require him to body jack a son. Personally, I don't get why Clones aren't used. The technology is there for it in CP2077, So Saburo could have his original body just cloned over and over with his memories transferred in so he always looks the same.
I don’t think saburo is not the main villain yet, there’s another enemy which is more dangerous than him.. Yes.. the one who able to control someone else
@Jay20431 In lore, the Arasaka corporation was divided into three factions, Taka (Hawk) of Yorinobu, seeking his own ends, Kiji (Green Pheasant) faction of Hanako, seeking to follow Saburo's vision, and Hato (Dove) faction, led by Michiko (Yorinobu and Hanako's niece) which is the liberal faction. All are powerful, Hanako has a freaking aircraft carrier at her disposal. It's almost certain that Hanako's faction, who was the one most fascinated by netrunning experiments, was responsible for day to day operations of Mikoshi, and Mikoshi isn't just a single location, but a logical network of facilities, many in orbit. Hanako applied soulkiller to Saburo's body in the aftermath of "The Heist", and hid this engram from Yorinobu and Michiko.
You side with Yorinobu in every other ending but arasaka one you fuck up arasaka and blow up mikoshi killing saburo and Yorinobu uses the chaos to kill Hanako and takes over the corporation in full.
In a weird way, every other ending is sort of siding with Yorinobu since he remains in power as the head of Arasaka and in one ending a news report states that Hanako died in the attack.
I don't see what's to like about a control freak, senile racist billionaire with an oversized ego. Hell, I even forgot the worst: a globalist warmonger.
Good thing this is only science fiction and realistically, as well as scientifically, impossible, because if it was....our society and we as species are quite literally screwed.
@@spakeschannel hmm yeah. but if mental disease can change people, why not some tech that already prepared by how much invasive chrome people already put on them?
You cant know that for sure. Too early to say, considering how fast technology grew since 1980's and things that werent possible in 1940's are possible right now - well, pretty much anything can happen in next 50-60 years. Ask your grandpa if he thought it will ever be possible to communicate with someone on the other side of the world in an instant
@@RoseDragoness I'm saying that on a logical basis, our brains don't function like hardware and our minds don't function as software. A computer program is written and set, where as our brains and minds are constantly changing, evolving, adapting, new neurons, new pathways are created all the time, so even if you somehow manage to copy a personality. it will be no different from a machine, an android. In short, consciousness cannot be turned into ones and zeroes because it doesn't function that way. At best, if we use science fiction and the idea that our reality is a simulation, the programming, coding required for creation of a mind is beyond our comprehension as whole, a human mind is too primitive to create a machine that can replicate a constantly changing biological organism, the level of understanding required for that is that of an omnipotent ''God'' entity, or a soemthing that can transcend reality.
I’m surprised that at this stage Saburo would kill his own son because, at this point, couldn’t Saburo just put Yorinubo as an engram into like a “Luxury Suite” in Mikoshi where he’s not tortured, preserving a “legacy”, and then when cloning tech, which in the lore it’s in trial phase at this point, gets perfected, there’s no longer a compatibility issue (if there is one at all), further cementing Saburo’s control on his family and the world
Yorinobu had been doing everything he could to ride Arasaka down like a bomb. Saburo intervened in such a manner as to immediately disarm the single greatest threat he saw to the company and put himself back in power.
@@GearheadPrime Right, I get that, but wouldn't he accomplish the same thing if he did what I was talking about? It would still take Yorinobu almost entirely out of the situation, but without sacrificing a piece of Saburo's Arasaka "Legacy"
@@GearheadPrime Never mind what I said. My only reading on Saburo's personality was the wiki page for cyberpunk 2077, where they describe him as "Proud, Honorable, and like the true Samurai Shogun he portrays, Power Hungry." Which I interpreted as "He's evil, but not so bad that he would wipe out a bloodline because they looked at him wrong." When in reality, that is exactly the shit he would do, only he would do it as a fucking AFTERTHOUGHT after dealing with the initial problem. He completely APPROVES and even SUGGESTS a majority of the fucked up shit Arasaka does, and practically used his first son, Kei Arasaka, as nothing more than a puppet.
It truly is a abomination, not only did he cheat the people of night city believing a better future post his death with his ressurection, he proceeds to Scapegoat his own son. And if you played corpo you know he already offed a lot of international regulators that dont get a 2nd shot at life, oh and JAckie died on the same die never got a 2nd chance too!
Its on the TV stations if you chose the corpo ending, you can hear it in the background while V is fiddling with that cheap knockoff rubix cube, or dealing with paperwork.
Saburo's Engram is as deluded, arrogant and hypocritical as deceased Saburo Arasaka himself. One, Saburo's dead. What controls Yorinobu's body is not the original consciousness, but digital copy without any continuity to the original. And that means it does not inherit any laws or properties from true Saburo Arasaka. Second thing is, Yorinobu was murdered. It's not about biological existence of his body, it's about continuity of his emotional, psychological and mental being, existence and consciousness which was eliminated, i.e. killed.
would there be an ending we didn't find where we befriend saburo ? I mean, path one gets to 10% if we come back as V, a hundred if in the secret we chose temperance. but the third never gets above 40/50. there should be an ending "johnny in the body for 6 months and V as an engramme. But we would need arasaka's tech and support. Maybe there is a way to get to mikoshi before the end and talk to saburo ?
Hey!! you can also leave Adam Smasher alive &’says he’ll come for you. Just maybe Smasher could go after me & maybe we meet Morgan along the way. Since this post been 5 month ago, new updates show rumors of seeing med tech In DLC, maybe they could revive Smasher?
@@babyfinesse_ Dont see the point tho, without a compatible body for the engram (good luck finding a dude with cyberpsychosis resistance and capacity to be chromed up to 98% of his body)
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yorinobu arasaka was actually a good guy in hindsight. he was going to take down the corporate world, literally everything Johnny wanted
lmao this game literally takes you from "omg that monster Yorinobu killed his poor little frail old father he needs to DIE" to "wtf Saburo is literally the antichrist and unspeakably heinous no wonder his son undermined him at every possible turn"
Yup. Screw Saburo and screw his widdle daddy's girl. Yorinobu kills his sister Hanako as well - good fucking riddance!
There was a lot of stuff going on with the Arasaka family. You could run into a bunch of family members following the family line and a couple who abandoned it.
Yorinobu is a spoiled child. Imagine your kid ruining your business and killing you because of your natural hunger for power.
No, he wanted to destroy Arasaka and in doing so would pave the way for another corporate war
That priest tried to warn us from the beginning, but we didn't listen. Feels somehow cyclical.
Wait what?
This game had so much little details
@@bokcoli I think he’s talking about the priest outside of Misty’s, he talked about how arasaka was trying to be immortal
@@bokcoli At the beginning of the game when you are on the elevator to V's apartment he is on ziggy's show talking about how the secure your soul program is a lie and everyone is laughing at him.
@@chloesimmons9364 yeah there’s a whole quest around him
Every person on NC: "Immortality?! Wait that's illegal!"
Saburo Arasaka Jr: "They hate us, cause they ain't us."
He ain't lyin'
common poor people's L
They hate us, cause they anus.
*_I have found that people lie, most often deceiving themselves. Not so the dead... The dead are so very, very loud. And yet, lying is not in their nature._*
*_It is so... Humbling - to listen to the dead speak._*
Man, Saburo ascended to supervillain status.
Implying he was never already at that point.
He was already there realistically.
I thought he already was.
Wouldn't he be Super-Devil at this point? Even most supervillains haven't successfully achieved what he has done.
Saburo has a pretty good origin story. Highly nationalistic Japanese aviation pilot during WWII, who was injured during a mission but made an "impossible" landing, so despondent about not being able to participate in the defense of the Emperor that he almost committed suicide, but at that moment decided to devote his life to Empire by other means.
That's the end of Cyberpunk and beginning of Altered Carbon.
Altered Carbon but not for everyone those f keep this tehcnology only for rich ppl
@@Patrox92 This is precisely true. Exactly. In Altered Carboon most people doesnt have enough money for new bodies so there is immortal Meths
If you choose the devil ending. The next game if you’re gonna play as V, the plot would probably literally be Altered Carbon, Arasaka revives you in a new body and gives you a task to complete.
The world will either bend or break to his will.
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@@Kazuliski thanks
@@madaxgaming6405 a scary future.
@@emmanuelmorris7653 nah, he's a solid guy loves his children.
Similar to Shakespeare's Henry V: "France will either bend to our all, or we will break it all to pieces."
Doesn't Hanako carry his engram with her, anyway? Even if you defeat Arasaka, his engram likely still exists. Only problem would be him struggling to find a host due to V not working with their scientists to understand the process. Either way, he can still be a major future threat.
No. His engram was in Mikoshi and in all the endings except Devil the engrams there including his are absorbed into Alt and they leave with her & Johnny past the blackwall. It's spelled out that Alt is never coming back. So he's still alive, in a way but gone forever.
@@Jramssy Here's hoping that Alt separete a personal hell for him.
@@Jramssy Damn, I didn't even think of that. Alt is fucking scary.
if you pick the other endings. Alt messes up Arasaka HQ kills Hanako (or Yorinobu sends mercs to secure power) so i bet his Engram is gone.
Yorinobu probably nukes Mikoshi anyway
@@Jramssy I know this is several months overdue, but I just finished playing so I'll just say what Hanako said.
Saburo had copies of his engram in *every* major arasaka building. Alt killed Mikoshi and Hanako died at some point during the whole mess, but that's it. Odds are there's still a box or three somewhere in the world or orbit with Saburo's name printed on it.
That being said it's pretty unlikely Saburo will get his resurrection in those routes unless there's a corpo slave hanging around somewhere obsessed and crazy enough to plug him in after learning saburo's secret plan that let him "survive".
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Army of vampires are coming from the skies.
Funny I didn’t think Arasaka was so bad until I tried the Arasaka ending. Sure they were a big corrupt corporation but isn’t every other Corp inevitably a little corrupt to varying degrees. I thought Johnny was just looking for an enemy
But damn all the creepy soul harvesting body swapping their family members and basically going for world domination is all kinds of fucked up. Plus what they do to Jackie if you send him to Viks?
What do you need to know about Jackie?
@@Kazuliski They kidnap his body and soul-killer him if you don't send his body to his family.
Well Jackie’s mind was already half dead (hence Jackie acted like that in the ending) when arasaka swooped in. According to Trauma team they define death in multiple stages (source some lore video about Cyberpunk universe don’t remember which one) Jackie was pretty much in later stages arriving at perma death stage.
@@normaaliihminen722 yep. TraumaTeam have got 10 levels of 'dead' by the 2020's. Iirc, without some form of stabilization (meds or a first aid roll from a Choom) after the 180sec TT boasted arrival time (3mins) a character that was flatlined will be at DeatStage 6 when they get to them.
Each stage is harder to revive you from, and takes longer for you to recover from.
Once your Choom hits DeatStage 10..... Well, time to check you BodyBank or cash em in for spare parts....(grab your dice and roll up a new character, unless your GM has Highlanders in your house rules xD)
you just need to read the journal you find in saburo's AV in the heist to understand how much of a shithead he is
"hellman is loyal, better keep him in a short leash like a dog"
"westerners are barbarians"
"I should just nuke night city to prevent the relic from falling into the wrong hands"
"want to destroy a port city to avenge death of his fellow soldiers in the war"
dude is a psycho
Well that's decided. I was going to go try this ending, but it's f horrible. You betray yourself, Johnny, your friends...panam hates your guts if you romanced her. Judy is very angry too. Misty is so heartbroken when she sees the arasaka car. I didn't know this dude was going to just come back. It truly is f up, especially when you know he totally just erased his son from existence.
Moral of the story is to never deal with the devil. It never ends well.
ok, but consider this: this ending, no metter if pacifist run or not, has the third lowest death rate right behind "pacifist reaper" and suicide ending. In so-called "good" Star ending Alt fries the brains of almoust entire residents of Arasaka Tower and you lost a couple of nomads too. Rogue's Sun ending is even worse: this girl collapses a space station, fry brains of Arasaka employees and Rogue make a distraction bombing run before you attack, and you lose Rogue at the end. And after both endings, a massive corporate war against Militech is looming upon the Night City. Do you think this ending is bad? Think again...
@@secondaryfront there are fates worse than death, pal. Your mind being erased and your body recycled to host a rich guy's persona is something that I wouldn't make my worst enemy pass through
@@secondaryfront And in The Sun ending you end up working for Mr Blue Eyes who quite clearly is altering the minds of the Perelez's.
@@enriquejoseantequerasanche6180 how about having your mind devoured by a god-like AI?
His genius is truly frightening. Long live the king...
Don’t fear the reaper intensifies
If you are poor and get robbed everyday by the politicians and wealthy corpos, the only thing you can do is hoping that they would die soon due to old age but when they can be born again into a younger body and live forever, that's a different thing.
Once they can cheat that well, it´s over, the populace will kill all of them.
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@@fulcrum6760 I don’t even know who that is lol
TECHNO-NECROMANCERS OF ALPHA CINTURI
This is in the Devil Ending
oh i was so confused for a second
This alone makes that ending arguably worse than the suicide ending. Certainly worse for the world.
@@JB-xl2jc the same probably would've happened after the suicide ending as well.
@@user-xh7xb3op5v Nah, I don't think Hanako and/or Goro by themselves have enough firepower to storm Arasaka, which would be necessary to get Saburo's engram and to get to Yorinobu.
@@user-xh7xb3op5v Nope. If you don't intervene Yorinobu fucks up Arasaka through and through.
I noticed something when I was deciding with whom I work together in the end. I remembered Hellman in the Motel where he asked if Johnny is manipulating me and if the decisions I make are truly mine or Johnnys. From that point on I was always sceptical when Johnny showed up in a Situation where I had to decide what to do. Hellmans words kept ringing in my head and I wasn't sure if I listen to him, he is manipulating me or if it is the right thing to do.
This got me to a point where every decision that involved Johnny turned into a headache.
Just Brilliant!
Yea. Jettisoned that overrated character asap with Hanako’s offer for that reason among others. Hated how V killed Smasher and still called out to johnny when like, i always chose every mean dialogue option.
I had a bit of a different reaction, I started viewing Johnny as like another part of my character, instead of viewing him as a separate entity, cause Hellman kinda suggested we we're literally fusing together
I was pretty much yes man to Johnny lol even when he's wrong
He's still right
Don't really see how that's the case.
Even at his strongest at the end of the game, you can still go for Hanako's offer and he does nothing to stop you, even if that meant he dies and Arasaka lives. He doesn't even do anything to impede your progress.
You were always responsible for your own actions, Johnny's just there for an opinion.
This report kinda implies too that Arasaka was just toying with V. They likely could have found a new host body to take the engram, but if they freed V of his/her dependency on Arasaka there is nothing stopping V from just continuing the pursuit to destroy Arasaka or even just being a high risk Merc who now has powerful friends in powerful places. Arasaka would much rather have V as an engram eternally bound to them. I get Yorinobu is Saburo's son, but still, the idea that they couldn't possibly find a single host for V just smells of bullshit. The only 2 endings I'd accept as "good" is any variation of the nomad ending where V lives out the rest of their life with their loved one and new family, or one where V never romances anyone, gets nothing but positive voicemails and stormed Arasaka by themself. In that ending Panam thanks V for getting her back on the right path, Judy thanks V for helping her escape Night City and talks about being free at last, River talks about helping arm people to fight the good fight, and Kerry just kinda stays Kerry I guess. Overall best ending outside the nomad
never trust a corp and remember you attempted a heist against them it will hurt their reputation if you walked out alive and possibly be a threat in the future
speaking about the romance's I just wished they weren't tide to which ending you got I think that's severely limits the role playing in this game which already is limited to begin with
the fact that they didnt just go cloning route makes no sense (both for saburo and V)
actually, you're wrong. The best ending is the one introduced in phantom liberty where you are cured from the engram. You are not very smart...
@@talananiyiyaya8912Isn't that the ending where everyone abandons V? So yeah, still sad. Also it doesn't help to be a condescending asshole in the YT comments section. Just saying.
Arasaka on these nuts and u just got cyberpunked
Jesus was reborn through his father, the devil was reborn through his son.
I have a total different view at yorinobu after the devil ending Saburo is just merciless, is own son man
well...the dude did strangle him after all...turn about is fair play?
I mean, he tried to "Redeem" Yourinobu all the way up till his hands wrapped around his throat the SECOND time...bet when he woke up in virtual space, Saburo said "screw it, gave the kid all the chances hes going to get..."
Nah, he deserved it
Well he did kill him..
In all fairness, his son did kill him so I'd say he owed him a body.
@@ianperry1002 Yorinobu did absolutely nothing wrong.
***V wants to know your location***
I truly don’t like the devil ending... but... at least I got the chance to flip off Saburo 😂
This ending has great potential for the dlc's. Just imagine, Saburo could come back endless times until all people are dead. Although they said the chip needs a compatibility, V was able to somehow match Johnny's, so let's see..
Thats the secret to the world. Everybody thinks he needs someone compatible. Actualy he doesnt
@@odw1n307
ohhh interesting... so in the devil ending when they said they can't find a host for V
they were actually lying... they simply didn't want to help V....
@@therearenoshortcuts9868 no. It's new tech. Nobody knows.
@@odw1n307 it's a corpo, what do they get for getting a new host for V? even Hanako has forgotten about V as said by Takemura. They know about the tech and they don't want to make a charity case on V.
@@gunshotslinger V would be a good thing to test on, before going live. That's the only corpo answer I can give you.
Depending how easy and costly it is to upload his uhh ego?
these gonks are just jealous they don't have enough eddies for the Relic.
They’re jealous because the relic is not available for the public.
People like the goldenkids in Europe don't want to share their stuff with the plebs.
The "chip my ass" sign xD
That moment you realize that Saburo's engram actually isn't in Mikoshi in ALL endings, according to the Devil Ending. He's in a data drive carried by Hanako by all times.
Pair that with Hanako's "mysterious" disappearance in the other 3 endings and you can pretty much guess that Saburo had something to do about it....
Hanako was killed in the other endings.
Hanako only died in the star ending the rest she disappeared except devil even her death feels like a lie yorinobu told because he had her at the house all that time probably trying to protect her considering her faction is dead
What do you mean he had something to do about it?
@@greenday9132 i mean that if you take the Devil ending into account, Hanako has a data drive of Saburo that she carries at all times. At the end of that ending, she kills her own brother and implants Saburo into him since the biochips only work on donors with matching or similar DNA to the engram.
But here's the kicker: Hanako is also a possible donor. That means that Saburo could have forced Hanako to kill herself in one of the other endings and had Hellman or someone else implanted his engram into her dead body. And I'd assume that Saburo wouldn't want to reveal himself to Yorinobu as Hanako since he knows that Yori would hunt him down in his rage over the death of Hanako, so he probably went to space.
Takemura obviously would be kept out of the know since he basically helped you, a terrorist, storm Arasaka HQ, thus making him untrustworthy as a bodyguard. I mean, he didn't even know that Saburo still had an engram of himself.
@@aweshetdima2157 a question does transferring an engram require DNA compatibility tho ? I feel that's a lie told to V
because Johnny is able to take Vs body completely
and no1 ever saw that coming, right?
i was actually surprised that this didn't happen way earlier in the story, was almost thinking it might never happen...
Yeah, unfortunately this tangent in terms of the game completely undermines the primary story for V. If the tech is 'that' advanced, there should be an option for V to 'procure' his or her own replacement body, and (obviously morally dubious at best) have his or her engram replace that of the replacement body's sentience. Or... easier still, sit on ice, let V's original body be completely subsumed by Johnny then pull Johnny's engram, and reinsert V's, since an exact genetic match obviously isn't required.
its kinda disappointing, we don't get a cybernetic god ending
yet...:]
the reason this didn't happen in the game was because saburo didn't have access to his sons mind but when when you side with hanoko and get to her brother he pretty much just breaks down and surrenders himself to his sister allowing his body to be captured.
@@lokith1562 but that's what they do in the devil ending. You can choose to upload into mikoshi while they put your body in stasis until they can fix it. Of course tht means becoming the legal property of a sociopathic immortal body snatcher, but surely he'll keep his word right?
@@lokith1562 That is actually an option you can choose in the devil ending.
Takemura offers you a choice to either return to night city with 6 months to live or allow them to make an engram of you and you will be put on the list with rich people to get a new body when it is available in return for helping Hanako. Also, I'm assuming it wasn't really possible to make an engram of just V when johnny and V were mixed together. If they tried to make the engram when they were mixed, I'm guessing it would have just been a copy of that exact moment and even if put into another body, johnny's consciousness would still continue to take it over.
What I've learned about the Devil ending is that, Hanako calls and is interested in V to work with her. That implies that if you accept the offer, they may hasten the operation of your health issue and get you back on the grid right away.
The only thing I don't disagree with Arasaka's side is the Soulkiller, basically keeping the consciousness immortal even if your body physically dies. It's a world domination. That needs another nuke to take down Mikoshi into rubble.
Also, bonus. Misty's tarot reading is always The Moon, because all endings are open ended. Meaning the current story ends for the moment, and it can be continued for future content.
Arasaka is like that pain in the ass which will almost never go away
No matter what you did, it was only a matter of time before this happened.
All hail our new Japanese overlord
Sounds like something Heihachi Mishima would do.
He kept his arrogant son around who joined a gang to ruin business interest in the past to have a spare skin puppet for when his old body fails on him. Universe brain 9D chess champion.
Cyberpunk 3077: Saburo is emperor of NSA
This is the worst ending for johnny seeing saburo becoming a literal god
After playing through the Devil ending, cooperating with Arasaka, it put a LOT of the game into perspective. At this point, I'm pretty sure that if Yorinobu isn't a straight up clone of Saburo, then he's definitely a genetically manipulated offspring. He doesn't just favor Saburo, he looks like a carbon copy of him. Saburo has probably been planning this event for most of his life.
Thats probably why he left him alone when Yorinobu was in his rebellious phase, and maybe Yorinobu knew or had a clue of Saburos plan about him and thats why he hated him
if you sided with arasaka, they won... there is no other way looking at it
They win either way...
@@Hekk. If you side with Aldecaldos or you do suicide run into Arasaka HQ you made huge damage to Arasaka. And from what I remember Hanako dies during the staff meeting when Soburo is making an assassination attempt. So I doubt Arasaka wins in either ending.
@@Hekk. they don’t win either way. I can tell you’ve never played all the endings.
@@mrpopo5097 I played all of them besides Arasaka's one :)
@@treopl Six months late on saying this, but oh well!
The only ending where it is said Hanako is a “Casualty” is when you and the Aldecados go into Arasaka HQ.
During the Suicide Run and Johnny and Rogue run, Hanako is still alive and Yorinobu is now head of Arasaka HQ. He then shuts down anything dealing with “Secure your Soul” and Mikoshi.
When you make a deal with the devil, the entire board, with the exception of Hanako and Michiko Arasaka are killed. Yorinobu even says to you that “what ever harm she was in was because of you.”
I wonder though, does the Caged Bird leave The Cage like she said she would when her father passed away. Or would the new owner have her coin land on its edge?
V in the lunar station watching all this: 🤕
Rosalind Myers looks different here lmao
& some people told this game endings changes nothing to the world LOL
Once again, gotta pay attention to the details.
It changed nothing.
@@odst123451 That's because you don't get to actualy play past the ending cutscene, it just reloads your last save before the final mission.
@@TheAkashicTraveller I know
@@TheAkashicTraveller That's probably what DLC's are for. The story for now was about V the rest comes later. Patience is a virtue.
Imagine a dlc with Saburo copying himself into a bunch of different peeps. Pulling agent Smith Manchurian candidate shit
He pulled a Ra's al ghul.
Does this only happen in "The Devil" ending?
Yes
Saboru resurrección? Yes, but the war is still coming.
ohhhh, that means Mikoshi worked... so if Mikoshi didn't work, then the corporation's stature would begin to collapse
either way, things aren't looking great for the lone edgerunner
@@Peter_Siri My guess is that this is what Saburo wanted to do all along.
@@notesscrotes4360 eventually using his son's body as a vessel
"unchecked vanity" says the priest with a golden cross installed on his forehead...
Saburo Is an old raggedy raisen of a man too afraid of death and accept his fate
Hiding under the guise of wanting to become a God Emperor
Engram or not.. Saburo doesnt have a soul
Maybe if this was 40k. In the real, cold world we live in. Neither do we.
Remember when they comment on when he was going to commit suicide? I think you could argue from that point onward he was void of a soul or human empathy.
But what's a soul?
@@itsJPhere A relic of a bygone age
If you want to be specific. Your Consciousness is your soul. So by definition we all have one. Even after death the energy your consciousness consists of doesn't die as it's technically energy. Basically the first law of thermodynamics
Does the Cyberpunk world recognize the personhood of AI? Because that’s what this “reborn” Saburo is, an AI based on the live Saburo’s brain, placed on a chip and plugged into his son’s head. Personally I wouldn’t consider that “rebirth” so much as an cheap imitation, the same way a high-res scan and print out of a signed John Lennon album cover isn’t as valuable as an authentic signature.
I think engrams are more than just AI?
You may irrationally feel that way. But if the copy is so good that you can't tell the difference they are the same, only your memories and attachments to events with the vintage one keeps you from recognizing that.
@@erlint Tell that to album cover collectors. 😂😉
you are absolutely right doc. The Ingram/Secure your soul program is nothing more than a copy of your personality. You are dead when your body dies. (I think that the only true exception to that would perhaps be Rache Bartmoss? but i am not quite sure) What i think is not that he is a flesh puppet or something, with dead yorinobu being dead, but it's Yorinobu with Saburo's personality and memories, implanted by the Ingram.
Y'see, the thing that where our soul is based on, the thing that can be defined as "us", is different than the thing that is controlling our emotions and memories. So much so, people return of commas or head-hitting and are the same people, but their personality changed.
Hmm, i wonder yet. It wouldn't be quite bad if i could make an "me" as an ingram that would be taking care of my burial/dead body and would finish my stuff. Perhaps they would be aware that they're a copy. It's an "twin" situation, if you ask me. Same DNA, same carbon copy, but different experiences and thereby, different people.
This is worse than the suicide ending. Yorinobu is still free to ruin them but this is a very bleak future, where Saburo becomes god and he decides who lives and dies, only the wealthy will live forever and the poor are condemned to death.
Well at least until some Rogue AI puts an end to all human life
Or what we get is essentially a Cyberpunk version of the game _Satellite Reign_ (a _Syndicate_ style TRPG where the world is controlled by a corporation that can chose who lives and dies, and the group that you work with wants to wrestle control of the network).
How a world where everyone is condemned to death is better than a world where at least some can live?
Any other ending and Alt makes Saburo's Engram into a snack.
Odd, that I missed this vid till now. I've seen him blathering on in the background of the Devil ending before, but it's good to see up close, clearly, how Yorinobu has changed.
Notice, he's had every scrap of Cyberware removed. Ive said befor that Saburo is one of the few people you meet in the game that has next to NO cyberware, and this just kinda backs up what I've been saying.
Yori used to have neckware, dual chip slots on both sides of his head and I think some eyeware from the looks of it (from memory)
The neckware could have just been decorative since it was silver and gold, a rare combination (most rich folks go just for gold I've noticed) but the chipslots and eyeware would not have been. He's even removed those fashion glasses that yori had and replaced them with his old glasses I think.....which makes me wonder if he's wearing them alone, or had his old eyeballs saved and replaced Yorinobu's cybereyes swapped out with them.
(Not sure how he managed that, since his stinky old corpsicle is always still lying there on the Konpeki Plaza penhouse floor, even to this day of patch 1.61 DLSS3 lmao. Okay, I know.....in game lore wise, his personal doctors took his body and froze it probably. )
Saburo did actually have cyberware. His arm and eye were replaced because he lost his old ones in WW2. However, it's likely that you're right and Saburo replaced some of Yori's cyberware with cloned organic parts.
I had a feelimg his face had changed, which is such a freaky concept. Good eye on him removing the cyberware.
Those animations. Is every NPC Italian? Is Night City actually Naples?
"Gray's not here anymore, he's in a better place..."
Let's see how many of you get the reference.
I honestly found this ending to be the most interesting, it demonstrates a lot of hypocrisy from the theocrats and religious organizations and the Militech influenced NUSA. There's certainly something to be said about ethical nature of how the technology is implemented and violation of human rights based on Arasaka owning each person as if they're property, but the argument of saying that they're "playing god" is not a foundation NUSA and the religious groups can stand on when they've been playing god and toying with peoples lives all their existence from their ivory towers built on 'Humble Oppression'.
I don't believe the very nature of creating a method to bypass death as being evil, otherwise afterlife theories in general are build purely on evil in the same way as they're simply finding a way to provide life and cheat death. What makes the action evil is how the technology is handled, and if its handled responsibly then it could only be for the betterment of mankind, just like most technologies in the world that have brought us to this point.
But I guess that also brings up the question of if the Technology is responsible for the person who used its action, is a hammer an evil item because one guy or group used them to cave peoples skulls in instead of building shelters? Is nuclear energy evil because it could and has wiped out thousands while its providing stable living for billions today? Do the few evil uses outweight the good?
Alot of discussion could be had involving this entire scenario, but I don't think the tech on itself is evil, however it could be exploited by evil people for evil purposes, especially if Night City doesn't regulate it and caves to corporate control at the expense of the people who provide a steady income for Night City and the corps, the Average Joe and Jane.
"Alot of discussion could be had involving this entire scenario, but I don't think the tech on itself is evil, however it could be exploited by evil people for evil purposes."
Arasaka is selling a place in Mikoshi only to the rich and powerful. In the news bits we hear that high-ranking government and corporate officials (same thing in the Cyberpunk world, really) have signed on. The Lizzy Wizzy quest has a Mikoshi rep talking with her manager. The only people getting into Mikoshi and enjoying eternal life are the ones that can afford the price tag. The others? Well, Arasaka has already Soulkilled a fair amount of netrunners, and Johnny suspects they're being used already. So, taking him at face value, if you prove you have skills before Arasaka comes for you, the best you can hope for is to become their attack dog.
Second is how they create the engram: Soulkiller. As Johnny explains, Soulkiller kills you in the process of making the engram. So step one of immortality is suicide - or murder, depending on which side of the console you're on.
Then you have the brainwashing. It's subtle, but confirmed in the game that the "souls" in Mikoshi can be reprogrammed - they are just programs after all. In the Lizzy Wizzy quest, the Mikoshi rep is asked if the engram can be altered to remove certain personality traits and he subtly implies it's possible. When talking to Johnny about Mikoshi, he outright confirms it in an optional dialogue. So for the rich and powerful, that means becoming more agreeable to Arasaka - because there's no way a megalomaniac like Saburo is letting competition eternally trip him up. For the common man who got in because Arasaka saw some value in them? Slavery. The netrunners they've already Soulkilled could cripple them on the net and V has the potential to defeat their top enforcer, Smasher, WITHOUT being a full 'borg conversion. If either party turned on Arasaka they could burn the company to the ground. There's no way they're getting out of Mikoshi without their loyalty ensured.
Finally, you have the engram insertion. For this you need a compatible body. That means either taking the life of some shmuck like Saburo did to Yorinobu or cloning. Thing is, either way is murder as even a clone gains a personality through experiences in it's life until the day the engram is inserted. Even if you used it to save a terminally ill person, like V, you have to kill the person, find or create someone compatible, then murder of their personality to revive the person you were trying to save. So, congrats: you've saved an innocent life by taking an innocent life.
From what we are told in-game, there is no beneficial use of this technology. The tech runs off murder, encourages brainwashing, and will perpetuate an eternal plutocracy enforced by an army of slaves. Every step in the process of this tech is designed to be exploited by evil people for evil purposes. As far as I am concerned, it IS straight up evil.
@@CastFromHitPoints While I agree with you on general but your argument falls apart when you assume they going to let clone/doll body have mind of it’s
Own. Also those people signed the contract for Mikoshi it’s
Not like the gun was pointing to the their head.
I find it evil because it allows powers of oppression to stay in power, no matter what happens to them. You could shoot Saburo on the street now and he. Could just pop right back out the next day. New body, new him. And there’s nothing you can do about it.
So it’s refusing the very simple principle of human civilisation. That powers can, will, and should change over time. Maybe not principles, as those are up to the individual, but otherwise a single person should not live forever. It’s simply foul and against what nature intends. Ideas living forever, perhaps, but not people.
@Normaali Ihminen Well not really, concerning the lore of cyberpunk and soul killer, the constructs that were created from it and retained by Arasaka are tortured and interrogated to extract information.
And obviously the forceful takeover of a host body from the relic.
It really is just built for pure evil.
@@normaaliihminen722 but it is still a life, no? I would like to compare this with infants, humans who are "alive" within the mother's body, but had no time to be a person just yet. They are still an innocent life, which still had its whole life ahead of itself.
But then you take that life away, to insert another into it. It would still be saving man, by killing man.
For the contract, I would like to see it myself, but I do doubt that in it, it's written with black on white, that Saka is allowed to do such subtle personality changes while the person is an engram of themselves, and even if it did, it can still be seen as evil, since they would be actively changing a person without them knowing.
I'd say that the tech is not evil, but the system how it is used, with Arasaka owning it, and being the only one having a say of it.
Played and finished the game 4 months did this ending 2 months ago and it left me shocked like HOLY FUCKING SHIT
This is such an evil concept, not wanting to die so bad to the point you play God & create tech that uses you as a host & builds off of it; Alt says so in the blackwall. Its good to point out when you finish the monk gigs johnny wasnt there for any of it, v askes him about the experience or says something about it & johnny's response is "whay the fuck are you talking about". Another note i saw in a comment (credit to @silverbane8065) was how yorinobu's facial structure had changed, he swapped to saburo's glasses & removed his cyberware. As for yorinobu himself, he suffered v's fate & got hijacked. I wonder if yori & v (in johnny's ending) are still in there somewhere, or if theyre truly gone. This franchise is honesly one of the best to come out in recent times
My biggest fear throughout the game is if my words and choices have power and not some stat behind them. Like id to know if what happens is based on “you got 20 points on your relationship with Johnny, and 25 with Panam. Panam dies.” I hate that.
Why even out yourself like that. Dude literally could have pretended to be his son while making all these moves and had no backlash. Makes no sense
he wanted to show everyone that he's so powerfull that not even death can stop him
Power move bruh
personally, I believe it's his ego. He couldn't bear to let his son reap all the rewards, fame and reputation of his efforts and go down in history as someone other than just a pawn.
Saburo Arasaka holds more power than any of his heir, makes no sense to fight a civil war or purge anyone that oppose Yorinobu while also having to reestablish your own reputation. It also serves as a power move to intimidate his rivals and further solidify the Arasaka brand.
He would have had to constantly struggle with the other branches of the Arasaka corporation, (those who opposed Yorinobu's rule). Something I believe Saburo would never have accepted. On the otherside, he couldn't care less what the rest of the world thought of his "resurrection". We're talking about a man who invested billions to extend his life expectancy.
Thumbnail guy looks like Tom Hanks to me, lol.
I”ll piss too if someone resurrects and doesnt share the secret 😂
This was actually something Yorinobu scoffed at towards Saburo, that he was insane if he thought he could keep that kind of tech for himself.
Saburo resurrecting into his son's body is some black mirror shit
My man stole my idea. But isn’t the magical space wizard I am.
So wish that CP2077 had another ending where you sided with Yorinobu who reveals that he knows his dad was going to try and come back and asks for your help to stop it and kill his own sister and destroy the other factions in Arasaka. This would be another 'devil' ending and u would need to also kill Takemura and Oda if you spared him.
Yeah a Yorinobu Ending were you destroy every faction around you then Arasaka all so Yorinobu can now build it up back from the ashes as the new overlord.
As I tot, if u have soulkiller, u can just tranfer your copy of memory and take over the body like how johnny did
Supposedly, there has to be a DNA match or relation. The whole soul killer thing doesn't make sense. If Johnny can transfer to V's body even though their DNA doesn't match, then V should be able to transfer back to their own body and just reverse the DNA re-sequencing process. Of if not that, someone else's body should work just as well.
@@tek87 honestly I think the reason V and Johnny matched was because of the circumstances. Being shot, the relic being damaged at 86% before being put into your head, I think the fact that the brain is dependant on the chip is what allows Johnny to transfer.
This is just a headcanon tho, not fact
@@tek87 I think it’s implied that V was lucky to even match with Johnny. Every medical and tech person V ask about the relic all said it shouldn’t make sense, so that makes me think V and Johnny working was just 1 in a million kinda thing.
The chip had nanites that rewrote V's DNA. I can't remember when it was said, but I think it was Viktor telling you when you first woke up. It was rewriting your DNA to make your body compatible for Johnny. Now maybe this chip being a prototype was the next step in the process allowing someone to possess an unrelated body, and the one Saburo was on required a family link. So chances are Saburo's next body hop might not require him to body jack a son.
Personally, I don't get why Clones aren't used. The technology is there for it in CP2077, So Saburo could have his original body just cloned over and over with his memories transferred in so he always looks the same.
I don’t think saburo is not the main villain yet, there’s another enemy which is more dangerous than him..
Yes.. the one who able to control someone else
Donald Lundee stay woke
Alt is most dangerous villain.
@Jay20431 In lore, the Arasaka corporation was divided into three factions, Taka (Hawk) of Yorinobu, seeking his own ends, Kiji (Green Pheasant) faction of Hanako, seeking to follow Saburo's vision, and Hato (Dove) faction, led by Michiko (Yorinobu and Hanako's niece) which is the liberal faction. All are powerful, Hanako has a freaking aircraft carrier at her disposal.
It's almost certain that Hanako's faction, who was the one most fascinated by netrunning experiments, was responsible for day to day operations of Mikoshi, and Mikoshi isn't just a single location, but a logical network of facilities, many in orbit. Hanako applied soulkiller to Saburo's body in the aftermath of "The Heist", and hid this engram from Yorinobu and Michiko.
0:30 says the dude with across in his forehead making it look like it’s supposed to be a mark of the beast.
Guess who's back!
Life is not for trade!!!!
Man, i just finish the ending the devil hir now
Sad there is no way to side with Yorinobu. Would have been a nice thing to see.
You side with Yorinobu in every other ending but arasaka one you fuck up arasaka and blow up mikoshi killing saburo and Yorinobu uses the chaos to kill Hanako and takes over the corporation in full.
In a weird way, every other ending is sort of siding with Yorinobu since he remains in power as the head of Arasaka and in one ending a news report states that Hanako died in the attack.
fully agree with Saburo speech (understand nothing)
Choom, I especially added subititles for this video
that's really messed up, they could have just created a clone and put the saburo's mind there but they sacrificed yorinobu instead
Literally thee worst ending (meaning lore wise) but honestly the ending I want to be cannon... Just because of the future possibilities
Yeah turning V as Adam Smasher 2.0 looks interesting choice. And V’s actual construct is trying to fight back against Arasaka’s V.
No V taking out Araska By themselves is the Canon ending to me.
i actually really like Saburo, i just wish the Corpo ending gave V a little better of an outcome.
What do you like ?
Probably 'cause he reminds him of his favorite anime character...
I don't see what's to like about a control freak, senile racist billionaire with an oversized ego. Hell, I even forgot the worst: a globalist warmonger.
Good thing this is only science fiction and realistically, as well as scientifically, impossible, because if it was....our society and we as species are quite literally screwed.
actually, who knows if it can or can't in the future. The theory is solid: rewrite the neurons pathway, rewrite the brain.
@@RoseDragoness You know that neuroplasticity is a huge factor, too, right?
@@spakeschannel hmm yeah. but if mental disease can change people, why not some tech that already prepared by how much invasive chrome people already put on them?
You cant know that for sure. Too early to say, considering how fast technology grew since 1980's and things that werent possible in 1940's are possible right now - well, pretty much anything can happen in next 50-60 years. Ask your grandpa if he thought it will ever be possible to communicate with someone on the other side of the world in an instant
@@RoseDragoness I'm saying that on a logical basis, our brains don't function like hardware and our minds don't function as software. A computer program is written and set, where as our brains and minds are constantly changing, evolving, adapting, new neurons, new pathways are created all the time, so even if you somehow manage to copy a personality. it will be no different from a machine, an android.
In short, consciousness cannot be turned into ones and zeroes because it doesn't function that way.
At best, if we use science fiction and the idea that our reality is a simulation, the programming, coding required for creation of a mind is beyond our comprehension as whole, a human mind is too primitive to create a machine that can replicate a constantly changing biological organism, the level of understanding required for that is that of an omnipotent ''God'' entity, or a soemthing that can transcend reality.
I’m surprised that at this stage Saburo would kill his own son because, at this point, couldn’t Saburo just put Yorinubo as an engram into like a “Luxury Suite” in Mikoshi where he’s not tortured, preserving a “legacy”, and then when cloning tech, which in the lore it’s in trial phase at this point, gets perfected, there’s no longer a compatibility issue (if there is one at all), further cementing Saburo’s control on his family and the world
Yorinobu had been doing everything he could to ride Arasaka down like a bomb. Saburo intervened in such a manner as to immediately disarm the single greatest threat he saw to the company and put himself back in power.
@@GearheadPrime Right, I get that, but wouldn't he accomplish the same thing if he did what I was talking about? It would still take Yorinobu almost entirely out of the situation, but without sacrificing a piece of Saburo's Arasaka "Legacy"
@@GearheadPrime Never mind what I said. My only reading on Saburo's personality was the wiki page for cyberpunk 2077, where they describe him as "Proud, Honorable, and like the true Samurai Shogun he portrays, Power Hungry." Which I interpreted as "He's evil, but not so bad that he would wipe out a bloodline because they looked at him wrong." When in reality, that is exactly the shit he would do, only he would do it as a fucking AFTERTHOUGHT after dealing with the initial problem. He completely APPROVES and even SUGGESTS a majority of the fucked up shit Arasaka does, and practically used his first son, Kei Arasaka, as nothing more than a puppet.
@@cadendains8106 Yep. and considering he casually mentions wanting to nuke NC? yeah, not a good person.
The best ending
It truly is a abomination, not only did he cheat the people of night city believing a better future post his death with his ressurection, he proceeds to Scapegoat his own son.
And if you played corpo you know he already offed a lot of international regulators that dont get a 2nd shot at life, oh and JAckie died on the same die never got a 2nd chance too!
8K 60 FPS.
someone should have tried the arasakas for crimes against humanity and nature
Damn. How did you find this
Its on the TV stations if you chose the corpo ending, you can hear it in the background while V is fiddling with that cheap knockoff rubix cube, or dealing with paperwork.
@@silverbane8065 thanks
I believe he ripped them from the games files using CP77Tools or something similar
Saburo Arasaka is one of the greatest leaders in history.
everytime i saw the thumbnail .. is just look like Tom Hanks screaming..
Saburo's Engram is as deluded, arrogant and hypocritical as deceased Saburo Arasaka himself. One, Saburo's dead. What controls Yorinobu's body is not the original consciousness, but digital copy without any continuity to the original. And that means it does not inherit any laws or properties from true Saburo Arasaka. Second thing is, Yorinobu was murdered. It's not about biological existence of his body, it's about continuity of his emotional, psychological and mental being, existence and consciousness which was eliminated, i.e. killed.
Saburo would probably say to that: They hate me cause they ain't me!
would there be an ending we didn't find where we befriend saburo ? I mean, path one gets to 10% if we come back as V, a hundred if in the secret we chose temperance. but the third never gets above 40/50. there should be an ending "johnny in the body for 6 months and V as an engramme. But we would need arasaka's tech and support. Maybe there is a way to get to mikoshi before the end and talk to saburo ?
Soiler alert this is the bad ending
Saburo doesn't need viagra anymore, he's ready to fuck the world AGAIN
Arasaka don't give af and so are the rest of them corpos... evil corpos. Take them all down! ✌😊
Did u rly think the mf emperor of Arasaka would go out that easily? CDPR has plans for him for the next Cyberpunk game.
Why does the animation look like it was made by a r34 artist in blender
wait, what is this from? is this actually a cut scene in the game?
This reminds me of The House of the Scorpion.
in this day people realized that Johnney was a noble rebellion hero who fought for the poor, the week and those who had no voices
What happened to yorinobu though? Is he a relic right now?
Unknown
Probably completely erased. That was the implication with what would happen with V.
PARAMETERS RECOGNIZED.
EXTERMINATE THE BLOODLINE.
Will I ever find out where you get these
Among the games' files, which are accessible on PC and aren't encrypted.
@@MrDarrylR He found out
Fuckin Arasaka..
"Best of luck girls, or as they say in Japan, [speaks Japanese]."
Hey!! you can also leave Adam Smasher alive &’says he’ll come for you. Just maybe Smasher could go after me & maybe we meet Morgan along the way. Since this post been 5 month ago, new updates show rumors of seeing med tech In DLC, maybe they could revive Smasher?
For all we know, he’s already been neatly packed away in an engram too
@@babyfinesse_ Dont see the point tho, without a compatible body for the engram (good luck finding a dude with cyberpsychosis resistance and capacity to be chromed up to 98% of his body)
I know Miletich is bad...in reality, there is no worst corporation....but this one, I truly dislike.....in all my playthroughs..................the canon ending for all my nomad and corp V is getting into MIkoshi alone. My nomad because it likes freedom and my Corp V, because it found freedom. and does not want o to subjugate. And yes, I saved Takemura, ...it is his decision to move on or kill himself.