Hero Me part cooling system - Modular, capable and super compatible
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Previously, I had invested quite a bit of time and effort into modifying a Creality Ender 5 to have an enclosed and actively heated chamber. The addition of the Bambu Lab X1C to my studio has made the Ender 5 redundant, however, so in this video I remove all of the heated enclosure parts, and fit the Hero Me gen 7 part cooling system.
If it feels like at some times I’m being vague, that’s on purpose. The documentation is thorough but not free, so I had to make sure not to make it redundant. I’d recommend anyone undertaking this upgrade, to pay for the detailed PDF guide at a minimum.
Hero Me on Printables: www.printables.com/model/39322
0:00 Introduction
Hero Me video: • Hero Me fan duct teste...
Hero Me gen 5 video: • Hero Me Gen 5: The ult...
0:45 Ender 5 modification history
Ender 5 review: • Creality Ender 5 revie...
Enclosure and heater: • Ender 5 enclosed lid a...
Linear rails: • Linear rails guide and...
Euclid probe: • Euclid probe: Light, r...
BTT Manta M4A board: • Testing the Pi substit...
1:40 Removing heated chamber parts
3:03 Original electronics case restoration
Manta M4P Ender 5 adaptor: www.printables.com/model/5262...
4:05 Hero Me Gen 7 downloads and documentation
Hero Me on Printables: www.printables.com/model/39322
3D Printing Nerd interview video: • 🌟 Epic 3D Printing Upg...
6:57 Part selection and printing
ABL flat mount remix by FeNi64: www.printables.com/model/3563...
8:04 Installation
11:19 Adjustments and calibration
12:18 Test print comparison
Part cooling torture test: www.printables.com/model/1801...
13:17 Evaluation
14:41 Conclusion
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I paid actual money in November 2022 for the instructions that
A) didn't explain all of the part selection I needed
B) weren't actually complete saying to refer to the old gen 6 instructions for some sections
C) Have left my printer unusable because after the assembly the wing for the ABL sensor prevents the carriage hitting the endstop. I can't even print a new wing (added in a later revision of the Gen 7) because of this
The customisability of Hero Me is a nice novelty but the docs don't deserve money as they're not fit for purpose.
Why wouldn't you manually trigger the endstop, print a solution, and get on with using your printer again?
@@ExodusFX because once the print finishes the carriage will attempt to return to x 0, meaning unless I'm watching it constantly it will crash
I am sorry you had a bad experince with the Hero Me back then. The documentation has been significantly rewritten and expanded since that time, in large part due to the great feedback from my partons. It is an ongoing improvement process, where I am continuing to improve it on s regulsr basis.
@@MediaMan3D I really would have liked to give this feedback to you and the community at the time. But all I wanted is the manual that I presumed (on good faith) would be accurate enough to be all I needed, and that's me speaking as someone who trains others on technical topics and provides IT support as a career.
Your ask is that I pay even *more* of my money to go to the higher Patreon tier which would give me the access to the community in which to give this feedback so essentially I would be paying you to make your product better, netting you more cash and everyone else in the community nothing?
Even better, it was €3.50 at the time for just the manual, now that's €5, and €10 for the discord "support" (I don't know what the support tier price was pre-price hike).
"It's very sad that many in the community are willing to pay $$$ for open source hardware, yet while all of the Hero Me Gen7.4 STLs (and beyond) are free, they will complain about paying $5 US for my docs and knowledge.": Complete Tivoization scenario but of Creative commons instead of the GPL, it's very disappointing as well because if I was at the stage of my 3D printing journey where I wanted an upgraded carriage system while Gen 4 or 5 were current, I likely would have been a contributor to the support effort as it still had the spirit of an open source project at the time: we're all in it to help each other.
Instead now it's pay more money to improve your project to make you more revenue. Nobody else in the community benefits but you, not a single soul.
Now that Hero Me only works if paid for, I consider a product rather than a project, and I judge it as such.
It's very flimsy to hide behind the excuse of "oh but it's still open source, you can get all the files for free": I can clone any number of random git repositories by that logic but with no instructions of what files in them do or which steps to take to compile or otherwise use the repo, all that I accomplished is downloading a disparate useless mess, and that's what Gen 6 and 7 have ended up as.
600+ parts that I can print if I wish, but that have no cohesion or context unless I pay money. If I print any given part in them but have no context of how it works within the wider design then I've just wasted plastic.
Really disappointing to see the hostile response to people in these comments who disagreed with your handling of this.
There was no reason to purge the docs for the older gens, you would have had much more goodwill if you said of Gen 6 and onwards "this is an upgrade but I worked harder to make it, it's not unreasonable to compensate me for my work unlike past versions". Getting rid of all the old docs shoots yourself in the foot, it makes it clear it's all about maximum profit.
"Linux OS is open source and free to download, but you pay RedHat for support and documentation." - this is an extremely prescient point. Red Hat locked formerly GPL open-source work behind a subscription recently and got absolutely fucking eviscerated by the community and customers for this. You're unintentionally more similar to Red Hat more than you think
A small tip, you can also put threaded inserts into your blower fans to save on space and a tiny bit of weight since you can now use shorter screws/bolts.
The mercury conversion for the ender 5 series seems like a good idea for those style of printers
I have the parts sitting in a box under my workbench waiting to build one myself. Can't wait.
Its really nice that Hero Me started to use heat inserts because man, gen4 was a royal pain with hexnuts in the worst places...
Gen 5 wasn't much better.
I agree. I did not enjoy the trapped nuts in Gen 5. Gen 7 is much easier to work on.
I used to run the hero me system on my old ender 3 pro and also printed it in PETG and after a few months the parts started experiencing creep and failing so I reprinted everything in abs and the stuff has been pretty solid since. It's a really good cooling system.
I was just about to print it in PETG. thanks for the tip
I've been using PETG on mine for ~3 years now with no issue. ymmv
I have the Hero Me Gen 7.3 on my highly modified Anet A6 i3 (looks more like an actual Prusa i3 now). This entire setup is the best thing I've ever done for mods. The bridging is insane! Prints are so much more improved with proper cooling. I subscribed to his Patreon during the build process. He made me a gantry within a few hours of my request for an i3 style printer with 8mm rods and then added it to the lineup of parts available. Top notch support from the creator on all STL platforms. I don't regret it one bit. I plan to do my other printer too in the near future.
You can see most of the parts being printed for my Hero Me 7.2 in this quick video towards the 55 second mark. Enjoy! th-cam.com/video/jFYuJjmL3u0/w-d-xo.html
I must have missed your chamber Ender 5 videos, so thanks for the reminder about those. I am running Cr-30, Ender5, and CR-10 Max, so I really really enjoy when you still talk about those printers. I made my own chamber for CR-10 Max, I run 37 degrees chamber temp (the steppers don't like anything higher), and I see no warping at those temperatures. My parts are not very high off the bed, but the chamber helps a lot with abs printing. I just use the large heated bed to keep the temperature in the chamber. I run the bed at 100C, then use an exhaust fan to swap outside air in and another fan to blow hot air out based on a temp controller. Some day I will review your heated mains chamber elements. I have not upgraded the part cooling fan on CR-10 Max yet, but I remember your old videos about Hero Me. I also will add the Biqu H2 hot end along with the PrinterMods xchange system. Those parts are sitting on my bench and ready to be added when I find time.
Much awaited sequel to gen 5
Been using Hero Me since Gen 4, and I love all the improvements in Gen 7. Yeah, it kind of sucks putting the docs behind Patreon, but I understand why Mediaman took that path. It's a huge project that isn't very intuitive to assemble, and providing support on a free product is a thankless job.
I improved my Anycubic Mega SE (basically a Mega Zero 2.0) by making my own curtain cooler. I took an unused 92mm Noctua fan, ordered a 24V to 12V converter, and designed my own curtain cooler, mounting to the back side of the x-gantry's 2020 extrusion. since the stock main board didn't have a free fan slot and I didn't want to mess with the cooling already present, I wired the whole thing up to a free pair of terminals on the PSU, with a "low noise adapter" (glorified potentiometer) between the converter and fan for control. It's very much manual, but it is what it is.
It actually works surprisingly well, considering it's an axial fan blowing through a duct. at lower speeds I can even turn off the loud stock cooler
The most amazing part is you owning a coat in Australia.
Middle of winter here. My studio seems to be the coldest part of the house too.
@@TeachingTech just messing around, love your content. 👌
I used the hero me 7 system on my anycubic kobra go, which is an ender 3 clone. I needed to modify several parts to get it to work, and I lost about 20mm of travel in X due to the ABL sensor hitting a part of the printer on the one side. I couldn't get my aftermarket creality hotend to mount to the hero me, so I mounted it to the original location with spacers. I used the lightweight dual 5015 fan mounts and neither side lines up with the hotend correctly. The documentation was good, not great, and I didn't like how many different pay tiers there are on patreon. Overall I think its a good system for someone willing and able to tinker. There was very little noticeable improvement over the stock assembly on my machine.
Having tried the Hero Me 6 (when there were only instructions for 5 via Patreon), I went with the Satsana.
Im not joking, I was just about to look up your older video on the hero me lol
I have tried several fan designs from thingiverse for my artillery sidewinder x2 modified with a E3d Hemera extruder. My experience is that the "spaceship" design is by far the best.
VzBot short duct is also nice, just have to have a Eva 2.3 fan mount
Also, always ALWAYS print two spare sets of the parts in case you break something. Then you have two spares and are much more likely to have a working machine. One spare can also break trying to get the printer running again, or you mess up the heat set inserts. I have at least two backup s at all times, it doesn't cost that much more and is a bunch of peace of mind. Especially if you have a single printer.
The hero me is definitely the best out there but I would highly recommend looking for a magnetic remix for easy quick access to your hotend for maintenance purposes it is a massive quality-of-life Improvement
You don't need magnets to make QoF improvements, just a better design. He really made stupid mounting system with so many unnecessary screws.
Great video, what metric hardware kit is that?
Nice! I fitted the Gen7 with dual 5015 blower fans to my 4 month old Ender 5 Pro about 2 months ago and it has been great with an Orbiter 2.0 extruder in direct drive. The improved cooling makes a surprisingly big difference, especially as I print faster and faster. I do think the dual fan setup starts to get a bit heavy though, I start getting occasional layer shifts at 1500 mm/s^2 acceleration, so it's definitely not for fast printing. I have to keep it at 1250 mm/s^2 for now and limit speed to 140mm/s.
You could also get better stepper motors.
I have the exact same setup with dual 5015 fans and Orbiter 2.0 and I was only getting layer shifts at around 4000-5000 acceleration so maybe your stepper motor drivers were set up too conservatively from factory? I wanted to print faster with klipper so I bumped the Vref on the Y stepper to 1.5V and on the X stepper to 1.4V and had no layer shifts at 10k acceleration (could probably go faster but I didnt see the point so I dont know the actual limit with this setup). On the Y stepper motor you can probably go higher on the Vref as it is bigger than the X one and was not getting hot at all but 1.4V on the X stepper is probably around the limit as the motor is getting pretty toasty. Nevertheless I printed some 3-4 hour models on these voltages and the X motor still works so it should be fine but you can always go lower if you're worried about frying the steppers.
@@smittzin7637 Thanks for that data! I have not started to use Klipper on my machines, so I have not done any speed performance testing; While the Hero Me was not designed to attack SpeedBenchy records, it works very well for me at 200mm/s. I have had people ask about acceleration limits with the Hero Me, now I can at least comment that I saw one data point that it is possible to run the Hero Me at 10K acceleration. Of course I will caveat that with YMMV.
@@DeadNoob451 That's fair. At that point I might as well start looking at the Mercury conversion though, it's something I want to do in the future. But I haven't looked at tuning the stepper motor current and voltages, that will also help. Haven't spent much time on my 3D printer in the last week.
@@smittzin7637 Thanks, I will look into it. I also though 1250 acceleration is quite low, most people recommend up to 3k, and I would like to push beyond that. I haven't made any changes to that, and I built my Marlin config based on the preset template for the Ender 5 Pro. So I definitely think there's some room for improvement.
Dammit I just finished installing the Manta 4 in the electronics case you designed for the Ender5!
Now you have two options :)
I found Hero Me just as starting point of having custom print head. All components are too tight and interdependant. Anytime you would like to switch something you need to get out feeder, then the whole carriage apart. No easy access. Also most parts are designed to have tiny walls that are too fragile for being screewed.
So I have started desighnin my own system for my needs. That takes time and efforts, but there are nothing worse than universal solutions.
Hi! I'm the real creator of the Hero Me, not Mediaman... I understand your point... The Hero fanducts was created a long time ago, when the ender 3 was "the top dog", and was created for the ender 3 and CR-series... Since then, 3D print has changed, evolved, the community has learned and designed better solutions! And we know that lighter is better, something that sadly mediaman never understood... It is about balance! 2 blowers was always unnecessary! But that's his main selling point... He's claiming he's the creator, but he don't even know the basics of printing, or the rules I based on my design. In 3D printing less is always better!
Bit late but 2 5015 fans aren't really enough in a lot of cases, not even when overvolting even with the best current duct and a ws7040 you can easily get into situations where pla doesn't cool enough. Abs has finally been beaten tho.
@@twanheijkoop6753 Sounds reasonable.
I switched all of my Hero Mes to the Satsana. I prefer it because the screws always get a little loose on the Hero Me and they are a bit finnicky to get the nuts in. The Satsana has been just as capable for my Creality machines, is one piece, and you only have to use the two stock screws to put it over the hotend.
Yep, if you are never going to change out your hotend or cooling or ABL, or upgrade to Direct Drive and/or Klipper, there are many simpler printhead systems out there, but not necessarily better cooling systems. (BTW, the Hero Me Gen7 does not use nuts, that is solved with threaded inserts, and if your really worried, thread-lock)
The Hero Me Gen7 is all about choice and personal preference. If you have been upgrading your 3D printer, you've made choices about what is important to you, Your choices are likely going to be different from everyone else. When choosing a hot-end, extruder, and ABL combo (not to mention fans and accelerometers), where are you going to find a printhead platform that will accommodate all your selected non-stock components (which could be a rare combo), for your specific 3D printer AND provides part cooling that gives you great print results. This is what the Hero Me Gen7 is all about!
Think of the Hero Me platform as Lego blocks for printheads, there are mounting parts for each component (hot-end, extruder, fans, ABLs, etc.) that stack and mount to a core Base. Component-specific mounting parts can be interchanged for another of the same type. So, should you change your component selection(s) in the future, you do not have to start over, you simply replace the single STL mount that is matched to the new component. There is no need to yet again go looking for a new set of mounting hardware that was not likely to have been designed to work with each other in the first place.
at the moment I have the gen 5 hero me fitted with MDD 1.2 and EZR extruder, using you modified bracket to the ear extruder. Is this still required as I'm getting a bit lost in finding the parts I need to print to achieve the v7
my past issues with the system being a sort of wonky mess that turned into a tilt lever and vibration accumulator for the print head due to its length. Even with PC/CF printed parts.
Silly off topic question. How do you get your STL's to show as images/icons in your explorer folders? I just get generic icons when I switch view to large icons. Thanks
Same question. Mine don't show up like that either. Default program for .stl's?
@teaching tech Me too please, those thumbnails are much easier
I can't remember the exact one I'm using, but searching for 'windows stl thumbnail' gives several examples. This one looks nicer than what I'm using now: papas-best.com/stlthumbnails_en
I use stl-thumb. Don't know if this works for other apps, but if you turn on the Preview Pane and change the default stl app to 3d Viewer, you'll also get a resizable, rotating 3D model in Windows Explorer that you can even manually manipulate. Downside is you can't double click an stl to open it in your slicer.
im kinda sad there is no compatibility with the microswiss ng revo .would love a moduler solution for it
I’ve been waiting for them to make one that works with the E3D original Hemera for such a long time. Looks like I still have to wait 😩
I don't think the current system will ever be compatible. The layout and size of each is too different. I remember reading in an FAQ that a separate system was in development.
Thanks for the reply! I think you’re right. I thought I read somewhere that they are hoping to have a redesign for the baseplate for integrated extruder hotends by summer this year but that’s almost come and gone. Hopefully they are able to figure something out because the amount of options for dual 5015’s on a Hemera that actually work well is unfortunate.
Keep up the great content! You’re my favorite 3D printing content creator and your videos have saved my prints/print quality countless times. Cheers!
@@PaintballTaco I am targeting Aug- Sept timeframe for Hero Me Gen7 based part cooling for Hemera and other integrated extruder/hotends.
@@MediaMan3D this is the best 3D printing news I’ve heard all year. I appreciate the time and effort you put into your system and I look forward to using it (hopefully) in the fall! Cheers!
@@MediaMan3D That’s great to hear! I’m looking forward to possibly getting a cooling setup for an LGX Shortcut Mosquito that has proven to be a pain to get a nice mount and cooling setup for. Thanks for your hard work.
I do have a question for you. Why the PrinterMods plate if you are not doing direct drive? I have the PMDD and have considered HeroMe in the past.
I think I will print this for my old anet e10
Anyone figure out the gen7 e3d v6 collar mount? It's either I'm missing something or the part is incomplete - all the other mounts can be mounted to base, but not the e3dv6 A or B mounts...
you had me in the first 3/4, dammit im not ready for firmware adjustments
I used your Ender 5 lid idea on my Ender 5 Plus and it works great. It’s not actively heated but I can print 3DXTech’s CF PA6, EzPC+CF, ASA, etc no problem with the use of VisionMiners Nano Polymer adhesive on the glass bed. Did you ever try this? I saw you were printing on tape? 🤨
Hey Mike, out of curiosity do 2 5015 fans offer more cooling than a single 24v 7530? I have the latter on my ratrig but still seem to have some issues cooling with what should be mild overhangs. Maybe it needs better ducts?
I haven't tested a 7530 personally. Going by Rat Rig upgrades on the EVA carriage, I think the 7530 mod is meant to be a step above twin 5015s. I would suggest looking at the rated CFM for each fan as a baseline, then comparing the duct deign,
@@TeachingTech Hm. If that's the case the cfm on a 5015 is 3.23 and the 7530 is 12.7. Maybe I'll see about modding a trihorn duct.
So my ender 3 v2 printhead cooling desided to explode.... You think I can resin print this?
Hi, I'm about to install Hero Me gen 7 in my ender 5 pro, but I was wondering if there's a need to compensate for the additional width added by the gantry adapter like changing bed size or something, could anyone point out if I have to do it and how it can be done?
Thanks in advance.
Anything I can do about the hero 7 cooling ducts hitting the front rail of my ender 5 when homing ?
anyone know where i can get the parts printed in a higher temp material? i printed them in PLA and painted them with thermal paint. im sure its okay for PLA prints but cant print anything higher temp
Check out the pdf on Printables for the Pro version on the way.
Was listening to this while I was walking the dogs and I kept stopping to see where the ice cream truck was….
I know a lot of people are complaining about price. And it’s $5 for directions in the US that’s less than a quarter pounder with cheese at McDonald’s.
I tried Hero Me Gen 5 and 6 and I found that the parts needed to assemble a full system is just too much. The fact that it's paid also takes away a whole bunch. I used it on an ender 3 and I found that the base for it is a major failure point. To change a hotend, you'll have to disassemble the whole thing. It's also awkward to put together and the cooling performance is not even close to what I had with the Blokhead on the same printer. Went back to blokhead because 4 screws I can have the whole thing off and ready to service. I also found that the heated inserts made the design worse, not better.
don't need a fan, never had to so far. i only print pla so that be why? but thanks for the video and all the work you do.
pla is the only filament that needs good partcooling..petg doesnt need much..and abs and up dont need at all..except bridging.
PDF instruction is finally good? Payed long time ago and i will never get good version.
Do a mercury conversion, it uses the same eva carriage from the ratrig.
About the herome
Loos cool, however i do think that throwing the files with no indications is a bit catchy but i can't complain either since its free
I looked into mercury but the sticking point was postage costs to Aus to mod a printer I'm most likely going to give away soon.
I hated the hero me system on my CR 10 Max. You had to disassemble the whole gantry if you wanted to get to heatbrake.
not with a magnet remix
That's why the hero me was designed to be mounted on top of the hotend, using only the screws the printer has...
Have you tried Igus Self Lubricating filaments?
No.
Are you the HERO for us? 😘
9:31 i made those hole in the version i was using lul
with the iron hehe
it is up to 4.0 how long ago did you record this?
Only just come out. I got the Patreon early access email at 5am this morning.
I build a hero me 4 my ender 3 👍
But now i have a Ender 7 and i can't find a mounting plate 4 it 😢
Can someone help me with it 🤔
While it is possible for me to create a Gantry Adapter for the Ender 7. That printer is too constrained for the Hero Me. For a typical dual 5015 Hero Me you would loose X/Y build space because the Hero Me wider and deeper than the stock setup.
@@MediaMan3D ok thanks for the explanation 🤗
Shame. I have an Ender 3 v2 Neo, and the hotend isn't supported it would seem.
hidden cameras behind the screen and in the bezel
Unfortunately I can't use it as it is incompatible with the 38mm wide hotends on the Creality Neo printers.
Yes, the Ender 3 Neo stock hotend is one of the very few hotends that the Hero Me does not support for exactly the reason you mention. The Ender 3 Neo (all the Creality Neo printers) are supported if that cheap hot-end is to be replaced. Large wavy cooling fins are added to bandaid a problem that should have been engineered properly in the first place. They have never controlled the air flow path from the fan to the heat sink. This is why you often see people add larger fans on the front of their printers trying to prevent heat creep.
I never used this because of patreon. Looks like there is another option now.
Dual part fans, like many things, are something I feel like should just be stock on 3D printers these days..
The hero me system and it’s creator damaged their reputation quite badly when they went went paid for the instructions. Not because they wanted to be compensated for their time, which is absolutely fair, but because up to and including the gen 5 the instructions were free, but then when he released the gen 6 he also removed the gen 5 instructions and made them paid too. Essentially taking something that was available for free and hiding it behind a paywall, presumably to push people to use the gen 6 instead or to get paid for something that was previously free. It was especially annoying for people that were using the gen 5 and went back to reprint parts or make changes and then they found they would have to pay for the instructions they already used and were previously free. There wouldn’t have been an issue if he kept the gen 5 exactly the same and free and just released the gen 6 as paid.
100 % true
Good people post pdf for new revisions on torrents and file sharing services for free
And now hes not supporting the project, maybe hes ill or something im glad I caught that before I paid 5 bucks for it.
He likely dedicated 100s of hours of his life to this project and was looking for a way to monetize it. A slight mistep in PR doesn't undo all his goodwill. A man's gotta eat 👍
@@roguepaul so what? It doesn't matter how much time he spent on it, he took something that was available for free and changed it to paid, that is just overall scummy behaviour. If he wants to make his new system paid then that is fine but as most people agree making his previously free system paid too is scummy.
@@conorstewart2214 How shall we make him pay for his crimes?
So, the hotend is screwed to a bracket that is screwed to fan base that is screwed to gantry adapter that is crewed to a metal plate. Don't like this solution at all, not to mention the paywall.
Better part cooling & extruder still keeps the Ender 5 competitive. With a probe & klipper it’s still one of my favorites… just not worth buying new 😂
Can someone please confirm MK10 style hotend and extruders like on Wanhao duplicator i3 v2.1 isnt supported?
The Wanhao Duplicator i3 v2.1 and Duplicator i3 Plus (I have two of these) are examples of integrated extruder/hotends (Wanhao was doing this 6+ years before the rest of the consumer 3D printing Mfgrs. I am sorry but integrated extruder/hotends including the Wanhao Duplicator i3 v2.1 (along with the Ender S1 Sprite, Micro Swiss NG, Titan Aero, BIQU H2, E3D Hemera, and the Bondtech LGX Shortcut), are not compatible with the current Hero Me design architecture (including Gen7).
They are all too large, too wide, to fit into a Hero Me Base. With the exception of the Wanhao Duplicator i3, the Hero Me was designed before these other integrated extruder/hotend combos were developed. To make a Hero Me fit these assemblies it would no longer be a Hero Me as it would not be compatible with any of the hundreds of parts from both my Master Suite and the over 650 remixes and add-ons created by the community. On a more positive note, I am working to develop specific (based upon Hero Me) part cooling ducts with ABL/ADXL345 mounts for these integrated extruders. I hope to have these available later this summer.
> active heated chamber
😬
I'm glad that's gone
me- waiting for v3se remixes
I have a gen 5 on my heavily modified ender 3v2. I'm planning on eventually designing a custom printhead for that machine, because as awesome as the Hero Me designs are they are less efficient than they could be as a fully integrated solution.
The major concerns in my case being the width of the printhead, as I want to mod this printer into an IDEX design eventually, and also how far the printhead sticks out from the rail when you have a linear rail mod.
As someone with a BMG X2 on a cr10s pro, do not mod your ender 3 into an idex. You will have virtually no x-axis printing volume left.
@@YourLordMobius You are correct for a normal Ender, but one of the mods I've done is a 400mm bed.
@@ianbruene1529 trust me man. As some one thats done the dual extruder route, just buy a sovol. Man i wished i did. Would have saved so much time
@@YourLordMobius Sounds even more important for me to do then as a learning experience!
Michael, Thank you very much for producing this great video about the Hero Me Gen7. Based upon the changes you needed to make for your setup, I will redesign the Euclid probe to be turned 90deg. I would suggest reprinting that test overhang STL, as the Gen7 part cooling ducts have be reshaped since Gen5 and will give you better results. Of course dual 5015 fans will give you the best results.
On July 14th, I posted Gen7 Release 4 to Printables, Thingiverse, Thangs, and Cults3D. This newest release has over 187 new STLs and 50 updated STLs, Gen7 Release 4 supports and additional 29 printers, 16 hotends, 8 extruders, and 6 ABL sensors.
For those who are ill-informed and commented as such, I did not steal Hero Me, as it is licensed as Creative Commons 4 which allows remixes. I have always given credit to the original designer of the Hero Me (Marcelino A. Mosquea S. aka kelokera on Thingiverse). In all my documentation I give him full credit for the creation of the original Hero Me design that he developed over 4 months (nearly 5 years ago) and is comprised of 12 STLs that support four 3D printers (CR-10, CR-10S, Ender 3, Ender 3 Pro), 1 hot-end, 3 fan ducts, and 3 ABL sensors, and was for Bowden setups only.
What I do take credit for are all my extensions and significant new design work (which is what I was referring to when I stated what was 'my idea' in the 3DPN interview). It is the over 610 NEW STLs with continuous development over the past 5 years that bring my Hero Me Gen7 Release 4 to now fully support over 115 3D printer models, both Bowden and Direct Drive versions, 47 hot-ends, 37 extruders, 35 part cooling setups, 20 ABLs, 14 accelerometers, 8 LED mounts, 4 endoscope mounts, and much more.
The closest descriptive comparison would be that I was inspired by what he designed. With only two exceptions, there is nothing in common between the original Hero Me and my Hero Me Gen7.4. Those two exceptions are #1. Part of the name, kept out of respect for the source from which mine was inspired. Had I changed the name, even more would complain that I had ripped him off. and #2. The position of the grooves for mounting part cooling ducts to the Base.
What few parts of his original work (8 STLs) that have the same specific function, mine have been redesigned from scratch beyond comparison. Only the core Base STL has any remote resemblance, but when you look at them for more than a few seconds you will see that they are totally different. Anyone can compare for themselves, simply search for Hero Me on Thingiverse and see the differences between the two projects.
It is also very sad that many in the community are willing to pay $$$ for open source hardware, yet while all of the Hero Me Gen7.4 STLs (and beyond) are free, they will complain about paying $5 US for my docs and knowledge, and then some go so far as to post and promote links to stolen copies of my documentation (as one person has posted in your comments below). That link is now subject to a DMCA takedown notice. BTW, there are thousands of 3D printer owners who have successfully upgraded their printers with never contacting me for docs or help, yet they post their positive comments afterwords.
Again, thank you very much for producing this video. There are tens of thousands who have upgraded their 3D printers with a Hero Me Gen Series printhead and are very satisfied with the results they get. I hope your video will inspire thousands more!
Well "my friend" maybe people blame you as a theft because YOU keep saying you created the hero me, that the modularity was your idea! That you're part of the development of the fanduct, etc... But this video just proves my point!!! Even with 1 fan is so heavy he had to lower the acceleration! Accept it, you lack of imagination! And lie every time a camera point at you! I design the Hero Me! Not you! the modularity was MY idea not yours, and next time try to remember my name, and is not Costa Rica, is Dominican Republic!!
@@amaurisstudio I do not keep saying that. I have no control over what Michael may have said in his video. I learned about this video after you did. He never contacted me about what he was creating or any of his script or content.
He printed all the parts in PETG, I do not recommend that at all. The hotend and extruder mounts should be in either PLA+ or ABS/ASA. The Hero Me Gen7 can use just one fan. It is not required to use two fans. There are many users of this printhead with just one fan.
I expanded the modularity from your few printers and hotends to hundreds of printers and components. I redesigned the Hero Me to make it possible to interchange hotends and extruders seamlessly, The base is very different from what you created, there isn't even 5% that may still be in common. I did that, you did not. It is that, which I refer to when I use the words 'my idea', and I said in several replies to you that I would make that extremely clear in any future writing, video, or interview.
Regarding the Hero Me Gen7 and high speed, high acceleration printing, a Hero Me Gen7 user wrote the following (edited for grammar):
“I fitted my 4-month-old Ender 5 Pro with the Gen7, dual 5015 blower fans, and Orbiter 2.0. I wanted to print faster with Klipper, so I bumped the Vref on the Y-axis stepper to 1.5V and the X-axis stepper to 1.4V. I had no layer shifts at 10k acceleration. I could probably go faster but I didn’t see the point, so I don’t know the actual limit with this setup. The Y-axis stepper motor Vref can probably go higher as it is a bigger motor and was not getting hot at all. 1.4V on the X-axis stepper motor is probably around the limit, as the motor was getting pretty toasty. Nevertheless, I printed some 3-4 hour models on these voltages and the X-axis motor still works so it should be fine but you can always go lower if you're worried about frying the steppers.”
And you have not been reading my messages to you. If you had you would know tha several times I have clearly stated how getting your name and country wrong happened. I sincerely apologized for that, and I also showed how I had your name and country correct in my documentation.
As antagonistic as your comments about me have been the past couple of weeks, and my replies, explaining how it occurred (getting your name and country wrong, the 'my idea' etc.) along with my apologies, I still would like to talk with you directly, please respond any of the direct messages I sent you via Printables or Messenger. If you would dare to give me 5 minutes of your time, I believe you will find that your time was not wasted.
@@MediaMan3D so you are telling me that everytime I have seen a video of you speaking and telling how you came with the idea I'm hearing wrong? Like when Joel ask you about it? When I made the editable files public so people do exactly what you're doing, how is that your idea? I even got comments deleted when I was trying to give my version, giving you the credit you deserve? What do you think I could get about it?? Do you think I want to share more designs or improvements after that?!
When you ask me on Facebook if I was already in the States, why didn't you ask me for help or any involvement in this project that has the name that I created? What do you think all this looks like?! And one more time! I don't want or need a penny out of this! It wasn't or is about money! I NEVER CHARGE A SINGLE PENNY for anything I shared! I want 3D print to improve! I don't ask for 5 bucks for instructions!!! I DON'T NEED THAT!! and it's OK if you do it, it's YOUR time, and you can put a price to it!!! But don't go around taking credit for the things others put time and effort!!
@@amaurisstudio I have already answered you several times about the interview with Joel, on how and why I made that mistake, apologizing to you for that error, showing you that I have your credits correct in my docs, and letting you know that I will be very clear to give you credit for the original design in any future event, video, interview, etc. If you have not seen these replies, I will be glad to point to where you can see them.
I've never made any reference that I enabled remixes. Your work, design, and the CC4 license you assigned to it enables that. I have said that the community has created several hundred remixes of my Hero Me Gen series remix, that work with the STLs I have created. Anyone creating other part cooling ducts might work with both your original and mine, because that is the only feature still has some common traits to both your original design and my remixes
Regarding comments getting deleted.. Other people must be messing with both you and me, as I have had several of my replies to you deleted over the past 10 days as well. I have never deleted (reported) your comments. I don't know why people would do this.
As for the name Hero Me, again, I believe If I had made a remix and named it completely different, even more people would come out and say that I ripped you off. In my opinion, a remix should reference the original in the name if it is doing a similar function. I am very appreciative of your making the Hero Me and sharing it.
Looking back, hindsight is always 20-20, I should have reached out to you. Trust me when I say, I now wish I had asked if you would would want to be involved back then.
I am not taking credit for your work. I do take credit for what I have done over the past five years creating hundreds of compatible STL parts for the remix work I have done from your original design. You have always been given credit in my docs and with the posts of my STLs in places like Printables, Thingiverse, etc.
I set up my Patreon page to earn back some revenue for the thousands of hours I have invested in both making other printers and components to be compatible and for the thousands of questions I was getting which was unmanageable and absurd that I was giving away hours everyday with no income from that effort. The money I am recieving is for the documentation and support I provide. I am not selling any Hero Me Gen series STLs.
You asked why I didn't reach out to you, well, I have been trying to reach you privately these past two weeks. Please read the message I sent to your account on Printables. I would like to talk with you.
My ender five's been running strong for a solid five years definitely the best printer creality has produced the only real issue is the Y movement system overtime the motor bracket can shift a little causing just enough torque on the two bars to create serious y access motor skips resulting in layer shifts just thought I would leave this here took me forever to figure it out hope it helps someone PS Ender 5 can be a klipper Beast ;)
Seems like system for folks that do not care about weight. So many plastic parts, inserts and screws
Regarding weight: A fully burdened Hero Me setup with direct drive and dual fans is only 87 grams of printed parts with mounting hardware. Add in all the printhead components, it can be as little as 329 grams ( and this weight is from a direct drive setup).
Should of left that build chamber. While it might not of gotten you into engineering materials, some modification likely would of done it. In addition to this the chamber is a big assistance to layer adhesion with even PETG. I print with my machine in a small closet and saw a big benefit with PETG & PLA
I hated the HEroMe, such a poorly thought out design in terms of putting it together, ensuring dual fan ducts are level and just being a pain. Much prefer the satsana, like the same performance but so much more thought when into how it goes together
Since I don’t know anything about that I’m just thinking out of the box 📦 I mean the ice 🧊 box 😮
What about using cold air flexible tube from an ice 🧊 box 📦 and the fan can be mounted on the ice box 😊
So, no only the so called creator not only steal from the original designer but also has lack of imagination to design a better version. With only one fan is enough to give sufficient part cooling for any ender machine that relies on wheels, having two just increase the stress and wear of the X carriage.
The designer said that he had gotten the original designer's permission and blessing before moving forward with the project.
That's no true, he just keep adding a secondary fan and more hardware where the original designer keep it simple with the existing hardware or reducing it.
@@triscious it's still kinda shitty to highjack some open source project to profiteer off of someone else's work while doing little to nothing to contribute to it.
I did not steal from him. The original HERO ME design is licensed as Creative Commons 4 which allows remixes. I have always credited him in the Printables description (and other STL libraries) and in all my documentation. I give him full credit for the creation of the original Hero ME design that he developed over 4 months (nearly 5 years ago) and is comprised of 12 STLs that support four 3D printers (CR-10, CR-10S, Ender 3, Ender 3 Pro), 1 hot-end, 3 fan ducts, and 3 ABL sensors, and was for Bowden setups only.
What I do take credit for are all my extensions and significant new design work (over 610 STLs with continuous development over the past 5 years) that bring my Hero Me Gen7 Release 4 to fully support over 115 3D printer models, both Bowden and Direct Drive versions, 47 hot-ends, 37 extruders, 35 part cooling setups, 20 ABLs, 14 accelerometers, 8 LED mounts, 4 endoscope mounts, and much more. The closest descriptive comparison would be that I was inspired by what he designed.
With only two exceptions, there is nothing in common between the original HERO ME and my Hero Me Gen7.4. Those two exceptions are #1. Part of the name (kept out of respect for the source from which mine was inspired) and #2. The position of the grooves for mounting part cooling ducts to the Base. Over 600 STLs are brand new. What few parts of his original work (8 STLs) that have the same specific function, mine have been recreated from scratch beyond comparison.
Only the core Base STL has any remote resemblance, but when you look at them for more than a few seconds you will see that they are totally different. Anyone can compare for themselves, simply search for Hero Me on Thingiverse and see the differences between the two projects.
As for the incomplete credit in the impromptu unrehearsed interview with Joel the 3D Printing Nerd. I apologized to him in the comments of the TH-cam video. Going forward, I will be sure to correctly credit his original work (as I have always done in my documentation) and make the distinction between his design and what I have created completely clear in all future interviews, presentations, documentation, etc.
@@DeadNoob451 Read the answer I gave to the person you were replying to. I did not hijack it. It is licensed as Creative Commons 4 wich allows remixes. The original design was 12 STLs, what I offer now is over 600 STLs along with documentation and videos. I have put thousands of hours into the Hero Me Gen7 project. So, do your homework before making unfounded claims.
No hemera support...
No bueno, sadly.
I am sorry but integrated extruder/hotends including the E3D Hemera (along with the Ender S1 Sprite, Micro Swiss NG, Titan Aero, BIQU H2, and the Bondtech LGX Shortcut), are not compatible with the current Hero Me design architecture (including Gen7.4).
They are all too large, too wide, to fit into a Hero Me Base. The Hero Me was designed before these other integrated extruder/hotend combos were developed. To make a Hero Me fit these assemblies it would no longer be a Hero Me as it would not be compatible with any of the hundreds of parts from both my Master Suite and the over 650 remixes and add-ons created by the community.
On a more positive note, I am working to develop specific part cooling ducts (based upon Hero Me) with ABL/ADXL345 mounts for these integrated extruders. I hope to have these available later this summer (Aug-Sept).
@MediaMan3D Thank you. I'm very excited to be able to use at least the excellent ducts from your ingenious designs.
I've used them some 2 years ago, but after migrating to Hemera have been desperate for something to come along...
thats so annoying that getting the parts is locked behind a pay wall
The parts are 100% free. The instructions are paywall.
All the Hero Me Gen7.4 parts (well over 600 STLs) are freely downloadable from Printables, Thangs, Thingiverse, and Cults3D.
Why use an outdated, stolen design that requires extra cost just to understand how to put it together, when you can just get a better carriage with better design and less weight and good documentation for free and use the saved money to get the parts to upgrade? The hero me made sense (not much) 5 years ago. Now it's just way outdated. Michael, you should make a video trying the Orbiter/Apogee carriage.
I did not steal from him. The original HERO ME design is licensed as Creative Commons 4 which allows remixes. I have always credited him in the Printables description (and other STL libraries) and in all my documentation. I give him full credit for the creation of the original Hero ME design that he developed over 4 months (nearly 5 years ago) and is comprised of 12 STLs that support four 3D printers (CR-10, CR-10S, Ender 3, Ender 3 Pro), 1 hot-end, 3 fan ducts, and 3 ABL sensors, and was for Bowden setups only.
What I do take credit for are all my extensions and significant new design work (over 610 STLs with continuous development over the past 5 years) that bring my Hero Me Gen7 Release 4 to fully support over 115 3D printer models, both Bowden and Direct Drive versions, 47 hot-ends, 37 extruders, 35 part cooling setups, 20 ABLs, 14 accelerometers, 8 LED mounts, 4 endoscope mounts, and much more. The closest descriptive comparison would be that I was inspired by what he designed.
Are there more current designs for a specific hotend/extruder/x carriage that have better performance, quite likely. But none have the broad modular compatibility (115 3D printer models, 47 hotends, 37 extruders, etc.) that the Hero Me provides to greatly improve part cooling over an stock setup. These are two completely different goal sets. The one you mention may be easier to assemble than the Hero Me, but I'd be glad to make a bet that the Orbiter/Apogee you has not been CFD tested for effective airflow for part cooling , and is limited to a tiny fraction of 3D printers and other components that can be used with it compared to where the Hero Me can be installed.
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"Hero Me" is such a garbage name....... that alone makes me not want to use it..... it dosnt even make sense, let alone sound good.
Also, the creator is a bit of a snob. He's fine letting you download the older generation parts for free (~200, the last time I saw), but if you want the better, newer generation parts or if you want to actually know what parts you need for your specific printer/extruder/hotend combination, you'll have to pay him.
@@ILEFTCAPS0N if u are good on something..why not earn some cash? hero me has been such a big thing so i can understand he wants some cash nowdays for all the hard work he/they have put into it..
@@ILEFTCAPS0N what's wrong with asking $8,50 for something that has likely hundreds of hours of work behind it? If you have enough money to upgrade a printer, you have also the money to pay the people who have designed those upgrades the marginal fee they ask.
A snob!? Wow, that's a new one for me. The Hero Me (even the Gen7 Release 4 posted on the 14th) is free (all 630+ STLs). The ZIP is organized in folders by component with subfolders for brands and types and the individual filenames are very descriptive.
Tens of thousand of 3D printer owner have downloaded and upgraded their printers with the Hero Me without ever contacting me until they post their pics and satisfied comments in one of the many STL libraries where I have it posted. If you know your 3D printer well enough, you do not need my docs to upgrade it with the Hero Me. It is like Linux, you can get that OS for free, but if you want support and documentation, you pay RedHat or some other vendor.
It's very sad that many in the community are willing to pay $$$ for open source hardware, yet while all of the Hero Me Gen7.4 STLs (and beyond) are free, they will complain about paying $5 US for my docs and knowledge.
@@MediaMan3Dexcellent comparison to Linux / Redhat.
You didn't have to release the files for free, but you did. Creating a "cherry on top" for people to optionally purchase makes sense to me.
Open source communities can be awesome, but there is definitely a beggar-chooser problem sometimes.
Are we really going back to 5 year old outdated mods?