Is Yahweh a Terrorist? (with Dr. Joshua Bowen)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 ก.ย. 2022
- At the release of his new book on the Old Testament, Dr. Joshua Bowen joins us for a necessary conversation about the true nature of the biblical god.
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It frightens me that so many terrorists use religion as a reason for their murderous intent. It also serves to strengthen my atheism.
Same. It certainly makes it easier for theists, but at the same time I can't help but think the people that do this would find another way to justify there actions if religion wasn't such a low hanging fruit as a goto.
As a veteran of a sectarian war in Iraq, and someone that was garrisoned in 'Dixie', it's obvious to me that you're 'only' being rational. Religion can turn people into animals, or even worse.
@@americanadreaming Thank you for your service...from a brit who also served, but in much earlier conflicts...same part of the world though.
@@xXevilsmilesXx it's a lot easier to harm folk if you think it's what your perfect loving god wants...
Evil folk will do evil things, to get good folk to do such harm, simply add religion.
Amen. 😁
My own definition of "Terrorist" is someone that uses Terror/Fear to achieve their goals. Yahweh would definitely fit that definition no matter how much he/she/it "Loves Us."
You'd better love him,or else!
god loves you so much that he created he'll, just incase you don't love him back
@@robmorcette4894 Gasp! Why that’s downright psychotic. Good point.
Jup, I mean abusive parents are still abusive even if they "do it out of love". Intentions do count for something, but not much if the harm of the actions outweigh them so much.
It's an abusive relationships
"The use or threat of violence for religious or political reasons" is the simple definition I've always held to.
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One that uses fear, mass violence and genocide as the means of furthering ones cause, and indeed claims it is for the greater good of all, certainly seems to fit the criteria for being called a terrorist.
The Ancient Egyptian, Hindus, Chinese,Aztec etc understood the science of the universe and built their civilization around it.
The Romans, Christians ,Muslims, Communists etc understood the science of Mind Control and built their civilization around it
Billy Carson
4biddenknowledge.
Old testament and Quran are basically glorifying and deitised inferior thoughts and low actions
FEAR is the absence of love
FEAR God?
FEAR stress anxiety creates dark negative energy shaytan lives off dark negative energy energy vampire
God has comrades and claims only love
Shaytan has slaves and demand strict obedience
Rabindranath Tagore
Indian noble laureate
Or evil villain god
The problem is these people don't know what they're talkin about, look in the book every bit of the people God is commanding Israel to kill, they are all Nephilim in the English at calls them the Giants,
Apparently they are The Offspring of the angels from Genesis 3 15, every bit of the book is based on removing them
@@robertmitchell8630
And Elvis is alive and living in Colorado.
😂😂😂😂
If someone has an invisible friend named "Bob" or "John," that person is considered "crazy," but if a person has an invisible friend named "Jesus" or "God," it's perfectly normal.
And that’s why mental health is so messed up. If you hear god talking to you you’re either having an oral hallucination or you’re actually hearing god. How can a believer claim they know what’s really god’s voice in a person’s mind and which is mental illness or as some also claim the devil deceiving?
@@trishayamada807 that's not an indication that mental health is messed up. That's because religion is so mental. 🤣
@@ResearchThis that’s what I meant but you missed the point. Religion is harmful for mental health care. How can you teach people they can hear god’s voice and it’s normal but another person is called mentally ill for hearing god’s voice?
@@trishayamada807 I asked my mom this, about how you tell the difference between something caused by mental illness and something caused by supernatural forces (she's a nurse who works with brain injury patients and also went to an Assemblies of God church for a number of years). couldn't get a clear answer as I recall, and that's kind of scary
@@qwertydog9795 my mother was in psychiatry for 38 years and she’s religious. She would just say if it was good things it’s was god, bad things the devil. But they couldn’t say that to patients.
These passages in the bible are the ones that put the final nail in my faith. I was wavering and decided to read the bible cover to cover. These show up pretty early in the text, and I could not get past them.
It's amazing how many people start reading the Bible cover to cover in order to fix whatever issues they have with their faith, only to find their conscience screaming for them to just drop religion as a whole.
When you read the scriptures(kjv) You must "rightly divide" God's Word" Time past, Today, Ages to Come, The Fullness of Times. Secular and religious atheist(unbelievers) unanimously agree that Jesus Christ is a real historical person. The question is simple, was he a liar, or God Almighty. Take your pick. The only religion in the history of the world that God gave to a people was at Sanai. The law given to Moses, could not save or redeem the Hebrew nation, the law could not make them righteous. The "Law" was the knowledge of sin. The law revealed, how unrighteous they really were. The "law" was the administration of death. The wages of sin is death. The unbeliever or hyper atheist tend to be the most "self righteous" people. They blame God for all the evil that mankind does to one another. One thing the atheist can't explain away, "death" The wages of sin is death. Thats why we die physically. If you need a reminder, visit a graveyard. God's Holiness never changes, however who He reveals that Holiness too, and when He reveals that Holiness, does change. God his pouring out His free Grace, to a evil, greedy, religious, superstitious world, today. By faith alone in the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. Atheisism is a religious performance system, like Catholicism or Islam. Pure evil.
@@stephensdygert7600 Err, why should we do this? Why are you lecturing us on evil after Amos 3:6, Amos 9:4, Hosea 9, 1 Samuel 6:19, 2 Samuel 24 and Numbers 21:6?
And why design a suicidally prideful rebel angel, to begin with? HIS WAGES were not death - not even 'spiritual death'. He KEPT many powers, and could even REVISIT heaven - to give his fairly preposterous looking views about Job, which got taken utterly seriously.
That seems rather strange.
And were many major church leaders to be TRUSTED to interpret Leviticus 25:46, Exodus 21:20, Deuteronomy 21:13 and more, for all time - or not? Or at least, for centuries, to come. Nor was it ONLY Catholicism that fell drastically short in this area. There was also numerous wars, both feudal AND sectarian - almost constantly.
And widespread antisemitism too. See also Calvin.
And how does nature operate WITHOUT death, initially? Would reproduction have still happened, but also with no upper limit?
And sin still began in heaven - first. Arose almost INEXPLICABLY.
If Romans 1:18 is now going to be quoted, once more - despite how much it clashes with 1 Corinthians 2:14's implications, and the 'glass darkly' and 'labor pains' (NONE of which pagans would inherently KNOW before looking at visible nature, alone) then is it fair this verse be updated to show some of the ANGELIC perspective?
As the logic of it seemed to fail, with rather a lot of them, in the part of the nature they could see, with 'invisible qualities and attributes, clearly understood' that were possibly even fully VISIBLE to them?
And many of us do hope He changed - since say, Joshua 7:24, 1 Kings 14, and probably 2 Samuel 24, too.
70,000 dead - over a census? How alarming. I wonder where the Inquisition rated on a scale between that, and one man picking up sticks on Sabbath?
Does one get put on a 'attend to later' list, and another get on instant pager?
@@chrissonofpear1384 Your lost! You have a reprobate mind. The word "Accuser" is where the word "Satan" comes from. Your self righteousness blinds you. Your just as guilty before God as Ted Bundy, or Joseph Stalin ect.ect. All have sinned and come short of the glory of God. That includes you and I. Every religion in the history of the world is satanically inspired from baal worship. Example Catholicism is a mixture of a bastardized version of Judaism, mixed with paganism. jehovah witnesses are very similar to Islam, both Satanic. Mormonism is so bizarre it would take me to long to explain how evil it is. Gurantee if you read Paul's epistles, you'll understand what God is doing in this current, parenthetical, dispensation of Grace. Grace is eternal, unmerrited favor with God, by faith alone in the death, burial, and resurrection of the Lord Jesus Christ. Its a free gift. When Dr. James Dobson was witnessing the gospel of the grace of God to the infamous serial killer Ted Bundy the last week of his life, before he was executed. If Bundy "really" "believed" that Christ died for his sins. Bundy is in heaven today, two criminals on each a side of Christ dying on the cross. One believed, One didn't. God hates human pride.God resisteth the proud, gives grace unto the humble. The "wrath" of the law of Moses was paid for, and fulfilled by the Law giver, the Lord Jesus Christ. Can you dig it?
Welcome to reality!
A narcissistic psychopath is how I would describe this god. Having decided there was a humanoid god, the ancients based the characteristics of this god on the behavior of powerful men of the time. The kings and tribal rulers etc. who were most praised were those who conquered other peoples, brought back loot and slaves and demanded admiration and praise or else.
I've always thought that "God" acts just like a typical, terrible and privileged human being with a whole lot of personality disorders. That's how I know he was made up by human beings bc he's human himself. "Made in God's image" made me notice this even as a child!
People who leave Christianity find it difficult to explain how they overlooked the horrors in the old testament
In reality, the horrific parts are usually skipped over. If they are brought up, than they are played off, made to sound not as bad as they actually are, or are a part of gods divine wisdom.
Take a look at the supposed flood. Christians, instead of showing of the devastation the flood would actually create, they turn it into colorful children’s books and peppy little tunes.
@@darkeyez1630 lol to make gawd less evil
It's true. I'm struggling with this. It's like a mirror was held up, except this mirror showed me my shadow, the parts of myself I couldn't see or wasn't aware of.
@@io7625 yup
Exodus is where it really fell apart for me. God clearly orders them to kill all the men of every age, any woman who was not a virgin, and to take the remaining women as property. All I could think about is the horror of a child watching her loved ones murdered and being taken into captivity by the very people who murdered them. Are we to conclude they gladly become their wives? Psychotic.
Josh is exactly right. For Christians, inserting Yaweh adds a layer of special pleading. Populations from almost all oppressive regimes do the same. Justify why their guy gets a pass.
So just like the MAGA crowd with Donald Trump! Well, You can't throw a phony god in jail, but much to Trump's disadvantage, he's a human being, and a greatly defective one.
All my needs are met,I don't pray.if I did need something, I'd work at getting it, an entity can't be depended on to give me nuffin...except spellin skills.
Just a week ago or so there was a guy interviewing Trumpists.
Their guy got a pass on everything, any Dem? Lock them up.
It is all special pleading.
The Christian is given a pass while publicly insulting intelligence with suggestions progress is made with one foot in fantasyland. God help us they get elected like the Orange-Jesus.
@@homoerectus744 you are right in all cases except one, and that one entity is Logic, the one true God. You could not possibly reason properly or know work ethic from laziness (or order from chaos) without this one who makes x=x and who very realistically, logically, and actually makes us be us (providing logical consistency to all logical concepts).
The true Hashemite is the true Logician/Philosopher.
Many years ago, I gave up being in abusive relationships. Being in a religion - pretty much requires you to forever be in an abusive relationship. Pass!
It's like a relationship with Hannibal Lecter. So wise, intelligent, helpful and considerate until that moment...
Except Hannibal does his psycho hobby quickly with less suffering and his motives don't involve obedience and brainwash.
The gorefest genocide in the Bible is why I read it more as a sword and sorcery or grimdark fantasy novel.
Wonder if your actually right lol. Isn't God actually EVIL
These people are ignorant, the Bible's talking about the removal of the Giants in the Hebrew text they are referred to as the Nephilim.
When you read through Numbers Deuteronomy and Joshua every one of those people they are commanded to kill are all Nephilim, apparently in Genesis 3 15 the Angels rebelled against God and got themselves a bloodline which God placed war against
Dr. Joshua being awesome with his responses and Seth asking the right things. As always, thank you both for your excellent work.
This was an awesome conversation! Dr. Joshua Bowen is impressive. He called himself a super nerd or something like that & he may be, but he’s personable & able to express his thoughts in a way that some who might be considered nerds or geniuses struggle with. I enjoyed his opinions & insights very much. I already know I enjoy your thoughts & opinions, Seth, that’s a given (which is why I subbed your channel & watch often). Your chemistry with Dr. Joshua is very pleasant. I hope you do more conversations with him.👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
When you do not have god you take humans as God...
@@Mar-dk3mp are u talking about Jesus being human and other humans elevated him to God status?
Seth asks the questions that we want to ask. I know I'll learn something when I listen to his interviews.
15:54 This is such a great video. I always heard the argument that the Canaanites and the Amalekites were evil because they sacrificed their children. What kind of people would kill little babies? To combat this evil the Israelites then go out and kill the little babies of the Amalekites and the Canaanites. I never put those two points together until watching this video, which now makes it seem so obvious. I Thank both of you for this interview.
Another thing you need to understand is that the Israelites were hard core Canaanites themselves an demon worshipers too even more so than the he sourranding tribes which were their brother an cousins an yet they hate an hate it them to the point of extermination.
The entire religion revolves around a first born sacrifice. It's horror in plain sight.
Especially when Yhwh alledgly sacrificed his own son😂
Sounds just like what the MAGA cultists are saying about the Democrats.
@@germanboy14 yawhrh is fallen angel. Jesus came to paid a randsom for ud to give ux a life. Becsude yahweh is death.
So, if GOD is so ultimately powerful, why does HE depend on mere mortal humans to do his murdering?
Excellent point!
Well when you put it in the context that there was a pantheon of God's. Far more advanced, actually created us.... it's like playing battleship with each other. Entertainment. Control. Also delusional with power... and if you take the stories of ancient India. The gods did war in the skies.
@@skylersojka6742 OK, but if GOD(s) is/are so ultimately powerful, why does HE/THEY depend on mere mortal humans to do his murdering?
God chooses to use human beings.
He can take anyone's life whenever He wants, and considering the fact that everyone does God "takes your life" the same way He gives it.
There have been many times when God didn't use a human being but pronounced judgment on a human being instantly. That's just proof that He doesn't need to depend on mortal beings.
But He chooses to.
@@harveygosal God is lame, if it exists at all.
I love Dr. Bowen's perspective on the OT! This was an enlightening discussion.
Fascinating show! I've heard Dr. Bowen on other shows, but I enjoyed and identified with Seth's approach as an interviewer. Thank you!
I would love to hear the story of how Dr. Bowen (atheist) and his wife, Megan (Christian) reconcile their contradictory beliefs when it comes to raising their kids.
_That would be interesting._
She's not a real Christian took about two minutes of listening to her to understand she just calling herself Christian because the Anglo-Saxons religion, some of them claim they are descendants of Israel in the book is a heritage.
You can also see for Josh just don't know what he's talking about I don't care what kind of diplomacy has, the whole book is telling you the Angels rebelled against God and God uses the children of Israel to kill all of the Giants which are supposed to be the descendants of the Angels from Genesis 3 15.
When you go look at who Israel killing, they're all Giants specifically the 11 nations of the Canaanites are the Giants the land of Canaan is also called The Land of the Giants.
I honestly feel sorry for Josh he spent all that money and all that time and as a result move further from God and further from the truth
@@robertmcgee1771
The old _"no true Scotsman"_ fallacy.
They believe a "false corrupt version" of Christianity, not like the true version that you have.
With thousands of Christian denominations/versions, how can you possibly confirm that your interpretation is the true one ?
_God won't confirm, who got it right._
_Set Up For Failure ;_
Your God failed to spread his message, in a way, that did not cause great disagreement of interpretation among sincere believers.
_(Yet he knew this would happen)_
*Faith in Gods word =* _Faith in the words & writings of men._
*(that claim to speak for God)*
The same as all religions. lol
@@moodyrick8503 geez all you have to do is open the book, it's not something that's left up to interpretation.
It says very clearly over and over as they battle these people that these are the Nephilim English refers to as Giants.
Notice in their speech when they talk about the events neither one of these guys seem to have no understanding that these people were giants even though Josh also alluded to number 1333 which act Lee clearly says they are the Giants or Nephilim.
Numbers 13:33 KJV - And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
I think the reason why is because in Academia you don't read the text you read what Johnny said about the text and that's the criteria for learning, it's why so many people today even after they have their Bible scholars seems to be biblically ignorant to be quite honest
@@robertmcgee1771 What bubble do you live in ?
*Christians have vast disagreement over interpretation.*
_Thousands of denominations, all wrong._
*But not you.*
But you can't convince your fellow Christians that they are wrong.
_Very clear, smug arrogance._
Everyone pointing at each other, saying, no you're wrong, no you're wrong, ect, ect, ect.
What a mess.
Stay in your _"I can't be wrong bubble"._ LOL
*When did Jesus "confirm" who was right ?*
@@moodyrick8503 so let me start by saying I'm not Christian and secondly all you have to do is read the verse it tells you plainly the people of Canaan AKA Canaanites were the Nephilim AKA Giants right out of the gate,
Numbers 13 33And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
Deuteronomy 2:11 KJV - Which also were accounted giants, as the Anakims; but the Moabites call them Emims.
Deuteronomy 2:20 KJV - (That also was accounted a land of giants: giants dwelt therein in old time; and the Ammonites call them Zamzummims;
Deuteronomy 3:11 KJV - For only Og king of Bashan remained of the remnant of giants; behold, his bedstead was a bedstead of iron; is it not in Rabbath of the children of Ammon? nine cubits was the length thereof, and four cubits the breadth of it, after the cubit of a man.
Deuteronomy 3:13 KJV - And the rest of Gilead, and all Bashan, being the kingdom of Og, gave I unto the half tribe of Manasseh; all the region of Argob, with all Bashan, which was called the land of giants.
And this foolishness when did Jesus confirm, well he's the author and finisher of the book according to the Christian so the book has just confirmed their Quest was to remove the Giants AKA Nephilim
Well I know one thing he's most definitely a sadist. Seems to get off on the whole blood thing as well as smelling burnt things.
Listened to a little over half of this conversation on Spotify; now I'm in a spot where I can watch the rest on TH-cam, and give a like. 😁👍
Not only is the god character a made up story, it is an abusive character. Those who buy into this fiction are buying into an abusive relationship and not only 'loving' it, but promote it and encourage it to others. " My partner hits me because they love me" bulls**t.
As used in this chapter-
(1) the term “international terrorism” means activities that-
(A) involve violent acts or acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State, or that would be a criminal violation if committed within the jurisdiction of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended-
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily outside the territorial jurisdiction of the United States, or transcend national boundaries in terms of the means by which they are accomplished, the persons they appear intended to intimidate or coerce, or the locale in which their perpetrators operate or seek asylum...
...
(5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that-
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State
(B) appear to be intended-
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States...
- U.S. Code Title 18 Part 1 Chapter 113B § 2331
So even by US law, God/Yahweh/Jehovah/etc. would be classified as a terrorist.
So Andrew Seidel was right - Christian Nationalism is un-American.
all rule is ultimately by terror
@@joshridinger3407 Nope.
@@joshridinger3407 r/iam14andthisisdeep
*Mumbles something about the terrorist acts committed by certain US administrations against those they deemed other*
@@KaiHenningsen yes.
He is definitely a lot of what Richard Dawkins said he is.
Bought both books. Really enjoying them.
Wouldn't have wasted my money just looking at this interview they don't seem to be intelligent enough to realize the whole books talking about the killing of the Giants in the Hebrew text they are referred to as the Nephilim, it begins in Genesis 3:15 and continues going through.
PhD and still don't know Jack
Great interview! I could listen to Dr. Josh all day. He has the ability to make really complicated stories fascinating and easy to understand for lay people. (and he does a mean Kent Hovind - great sense of humour)
People say the greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the world he didn't exist. My thought is his (the devil) greatest trick was convincing others that he was god. To rule by hidden means is treachery.
This is the core understanding of Christian Gnosis and it isn’t mysticism.
Don't need the devil when we've got yahwh.. theyre one and the same. That is the greatest trick yaywey ever pulled, and ohh how we've paid for it
I love Dr Josh! Always a treat when he's in a video.
Great conversation. Thank you.
These "Yahweh defenders" need to explain how a fetus, or a 6 month old or 1 yr old or 2 yr old, ect, could possibly be considered "evil".
_Killed or sold into slavery, because of the actions of others._ (sometimes generations later)
*Preposterously immoral*
Great conversation! Thanks so much!
Another great conversation. Keep them coming Seth.
🤩 *Amazing episode!!* 🤩
"Extra Layer" in order to apologise for God's actions just does not cut it. God even had people carry out his evil actions. Yet they say? God loves us. And he has infinite mercy. How can anyone believe this stuff?
I certainly don't.
Just bought both of your books. Looking forward to reading them.
What a fantastic quest. Wonderful conversation. Really good questions, answers and follow ups. Thank you both! Very informal.
Geez people the book is about the removal of the Nephilim the English calls them the Giants, according to the Bible they are supposed to be the children of the angels from Genesis 3 15
Throughout the entire book they are commanded to kill the women the men and the children of the Nephilim races geez Josh is a nice fella but he wasted his money on that PhD
Just ordered volume 2. Have volume 1. Thanks guys.
Dr. Bowen is a scholar and, therefore careful with his language.
I love it when Seth has scholars on, Dr Du Mez (the author of “Jesus and John Wayne”) was awesome as well.
Enjoyed listening to this conversation!
Thank you gentlemen, that was great.
*Question;*
How did ancient people "confirm", that the words/laws they were told, came directly from God?
And exactly how do Christians today "confirm", that the bible was dictated directly, from god?
_Faith in the words & writings of men._
Love the beard, Seth and always love Dr Josh 👍☺️
That was great, thank you both.
Fascinating!! Thank you gentleman!!
As far as divine commanded genocide goes, one of the most egregious aspects is the real reason provided in the text. It was not for the poor children being burned as offerings, YAHWEH sits and watches children suffer all the time. The main reason is that they were being offered to a rival god. It boils down to a petty infighting between the local gods. We have no accepted historical records were YW dealt with the Chinese this way.
Hey guys, keep up the great work!😃
Albino u miss nice pic
Geez people the book is about the removal of the Nephilim the English calls them the Giants, according to the Bible they are supposed to be the children of the angels from Genesis 3 15
Throughout the entire book they are commanded to kill the women the men and the children of the Nephilim races geez Josh is a nice fella but he wasted his money on that PhD
You see your reply, folks like you are the reason why so many people run around telling falsehoods, you are telling them great work and you didn't even check behind them and neither one of them even had a clue what they were even talkin about
This is hands down the best podcast you’ve ever done.
Excellent work as always Seth. Dr. Josh is a treasure.
Geez people the book is about the removal of the Nephilim the English calls them the Giants, according to the Bible they are supposed to be the children of the angels from Genesis 3 15
Throughout the entire book they are commanded to kill the women the men and the children of the Nephilim races geez Josh is a nice fella but he wasted his money on that PhD
9:02 - "(Biblical slavery was) nothing like what we saw in the antebellum South"/"Not race based"
Slavery in the US wasn't bad because it was race-based, slavery in the US was bad because it was slavery.
Slavery in and of itself isn’t bad. There’s nothing wrong with enslaving violent criminals (like rapists, murderers, child molesters, kidnappers)
@@heckinbasedandinkpilledoct7459 ummm they already should be punished not enslaved
We have to remember God's mercy, because we don't see it anywhere.
The fact that you're alive is God's mercy and grace.
Only half way through so far, but really enjoying this wonderful discussion ✊
This is such a great episode:)
Excellent interview! Dr. Josh is such a good guest!
Both are in the know!
You people are so uninformed, you need to put dummies like this down and open your book, God is commanding Israel to kill the women to men and the children of the Giants apparently they are the children of the angels from Genesis 3 15 which God placed enmity or war against.
Throughout the entire book you can see they are commanded to only kill the Nephilim and the descendants of the Nephilim
@@deevine1818 truthfully those folks don't know their butt from a hole in the ground
Really enjoying Dr. Bowen doing the rounds.
I've been working through vol. 1 and listening to these interviews forces me to recall names, dates etc.
It's a nice informal way of reinforcing these things. I'm generally awful at recalling dates and names so anything that helps do that is awesome.
Got vol. 2 raring and ready to go once I finish with vol. 1 so I figure by the time I get done with that vol. 3 should be out ;P
Geez people the book is about the removal of the Nephilim the English calls them the Giants, according to the Bible they are supposed to be the children of the angels from Genesis 3 15
Throughout the entire book they are commanded to kill the women the men and the children of the Nephilim races geez Josh is a nice fella but he wasted his money on that PhD
@@robertmcgee1771 I know a couple books that might help you expand your critique.
It's good to see a show where Dr. Josh is able to speak as much!
Geez people the book is about the removal of the Nephilim the English calls them the Giants, according to the Bible they are supposed to be the children of the angels from Genesis 3 15
Throughout the entire book they are commanded to kill the women the men and the children of the Nephilim races geez Josh is a nice fella but he wasted his money on that PhD
Great Conversation
What I love most about the Christian god is that it is fictional and mythical. Could you imagine such an evil deity actually existing? Love that it’s made up.
I could do without it existing even in a fictional context.
Wonder if your actually right and worth it anymore to praise such a god. Megatron is LORD
Geez people the book is about the removal of the Nephilim the English calls them the Giants, according to the Bible they are supposed to be the children of the angels from Genesis 3 15
Throughout the entire book they are commanded to kill the women the men and the children of the Nephilim races geez Josh is a nice fella but he wasted his money on that PhD
I think it strange folks like you are not Believers and as I can see by your replies all of you are uneducated as a box of rocks and haven't even studied the subject before making that conclusion, just saying it's so transparent when I look at your remarks
Amen.
more and more it appears we are locked in a fight between "old versus new" and we certainly can learn from the old but our society doesnt work with old rules anymore.
I've listened to and/or engaged with so many apologists over the past couple of years, really just trying to understand something more about their religions (mostly some flavor of Christianity usually). Not one of them makes rational sense, and finding agreement among them on any single subject is all but impossible - each has their own "special" take. Collectively, they're the most ridiculous group of people on the planet. It would be hilarious if it was a Monty Python sketch.
Not really... Brian is the best Messiah!
Just me:
When you say, "... finding agreement amongst (Christians) on any single subject is all but impossible" --- l totally agree. BUT l would add that finding agreement amongst 100% of all people on ANY topic on 100% of the planet is 100% impossible !! That shows that we are ALL alike or unlike to some variable percentage in 100% of ALL creation !
When we are hurting so deeply that we can't find goodness in others, our only hope for healing is when we see and try to help others when they are hurting. Sometimes it takes only one very much needed hug or only a few kind words of of sincere affirmation that brings healing to the one in need ! And guess what ! Somehow, in some time, in some way the healing we need will come to us ! (I do realize there are those who are much more needy; but true, sincere love given WILL be returned !
(Which brings me to another very vital point: Sex is NOT love; but it is the gift that REAL love gives ! The greatest LIE that society has deceived us with is that "having sex" = "making love". )
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She meant single thing about their god... which has all the qualities of a person (personality, wants, and desires)... that means they should be able to describe him accurately and agree with each other on his qualities... they are talking about the same person. Of course, some might only see some of his personality, or ignore the parts they dislike (see parents who deny their child is a school yard bully for references on how people are described differently)...
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Sorry! This was my first txt and
meant it to be for Heather Lewis.
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I know... but YT shows replies to people if they are 1 or 2 comments above the new reply. I just thought I would take some time out of my life and respond.
Have a good day/night.
this is so good.
Apart from the really amusing content, this is one of the epic voices episodes...
Fantastic episode. Went back to listen to a few sections repeatedly. Dr. Josh never disappoints. A super intelligent dude who actually knows what he's talking about and knows how to deliver to a non-specialist crowd. And Seth, definitely the best host on the Internet. You ask precision questions...let the guest talk and make an entire point without constantly chirping in, and then you follow up with great insights. You should do a master class on podcasting.
Poor fella didn't have a clue what he was talking about the entire book is about the removal of the Nephilim, the English translation of the Bible calls them the Giants who apparently come from the angels, Genesis 3 15 tells you what is supposed to be the devil acquired himself a bloodline in his Rebellion with Adam and Eve lol these people don't have a clue
@@robertmcgee1771 Just curious what your PhD is in? I assume you've got the expertise to weigh in on this.
@@skepticalCoder when you look at what is being said from these people who are supposed to have phds, it shows you they wasted their money no..
Looking at the conversation you have to ask yourself with all this cooling why are do they not understand every time God commands Israel to kill everybody it's always referring to the Giants, why do you think they're ignoring that I mean it's right there plain as day..
Numbers 13:33 KJV - And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
@@robertmcgee1771 Ok, so I take it then that you do not, in fact, have a PhD in the field, nor can you read manuscripts in their original languages with full awareness of the historic and current sociocultural context. But please, continue to chirp away at how you know more than all the experts.
@@skepticalCoder I place the evidence how come you are so uneducated you couldn't tell the difference
You cant have Dr. Bowen on enough! Great conversation as usual Seth!
I feel sorry for you you might want to actually pick the book up and read it this is exactly why people repeat things that are not true just like we are watching the host and Josh do.
Look in the book God is commanding Israel to kill all of the Nephilim, in the English it's called the Giants lol they weren't just killing random people like terrorists they were removing a perverted creation according to the text
@@robertmcgee1771 I have read the fairy tale. It only gets worse every time I read it. Don't feel sorry for me, my religion isn't dying like yours is.
@@mikehoran6467 I'm not a Christian goofy I'm just pointing out these people are ignorant and now you've proven you're in the same boat with them, especially claiming you read the book LOL what a joke
If you actually read the book you would have known both of these gentlemen in the podcast are completely wrong and for some reason left out the important fact of exactly who is being targeted continually in the book
It would seem to me that in the minds of these ancient people, there was a deterrance componant contained within these various laws. Will a rapist think twice before trapping himself into a marriage with a woman and a family who hate him? Will a person think twice before swinging his fist knowing the damage he does may be visited upon him? Is there an inate psychological mechanism that would have been a significant regulator of people of that time and culture? The question that follows is: Would these in fact be effective deterrent? Do we have record of these laws being carried out?
The thing that comes to my mind however is the situation in which a frustrated incel decides to rape the hottest virgin in town because in his demented mind he will be garanteed the most beautiful woman as his wife for life. How could these laws have been exploited...as ALL laws eventually are.
Those rapists from biblical times are the same kind of men that stalk women today. They want a relationship with someone who rejects them, so they’ll go to great lengths to get what they want.
Geez people the book is about the removal of the Nephilim the English calls them the Giants, according to the Bible they are supposed to be the children of the angels from Genesis 3 15
Throughout the entire book they are commanded to kill the women the men and the children of the Nephilim races geez Josh is a nice fella but he wasted his money on that PhD
In the same way that the claimed words of the Jesus character were placed upon his lips decades later, the wants, desires, commands etc of Yahweh were just the wants & desires of the primitive desert men who - in a clever act of transference - conveniently placed them upon this imaginary god and claimed that these were his wants & desires.
Absolutely. All spelt out below.
"So for example, when we read carefully what Yahweh says in the book of Leviticus, namely that the Aaronids (the sons of Aaron only), are high priests contrary to the Levites, that they alone are Yahweh’s mediators and the Levites are reduced to mere ministers of the Aaronids, that only through sacrifice can one atone for sins and not confession as preached by the Levites, or more precisely the Levite’s Yahweh, etc., *it can be no coincidence that in these laws and commandments,* ***which are placed on the mouth of Yahweh,*** *that Yahweh himself is presented advocating and legitimating the very views and beliefs of the specific priestly guild writing the text, and, contrary to the views and beliefs of their rivals, the Levites and the Levite’s Yahweh!* We will examine this more closely when we get to the contradictions in these books. But in short, this was the function of ancient literature, and we are allowing these ancient texts to speak for themselves. *In this particular case, the Levites and Aaronids wrote specific texts that each advocated their religious beliefs, views, and their position as high priests* ***by writing these sentiments directly into the mouth of their god!***
But just studying the Bible alone, scientifically, affords us the occasion *to see that many of these so-called words of Yahweh are* ***actually the very words of the texts’ authors.*** When we see numerous texts employing this ancient literary technique, and moreover, ***presenting Yahweh as the spokesperson for their own views and agenda,*** *and* ***contrary*** *to Yahweh’s other words in other texts written by other authors employing the same technique,* how can one conclude otherwise.
In other words, when in the composite text that we now call the Bible we find: Yahweh declaring that only Aaronids can officiate as his priests and Yahweh declaring that all Levites can officiate as high priest; Yahweh declaring that sin is atoned through confession and Yahweh declaring that sin is only expiated through the sacrificial cult, no exceptions; Yahweh declaring that he gave laws and commandments at Sinai and Yahweh declaring that he only gave the Ten Commandments at Sinai; Yahweh commanding to exterminate all the Canaanites without pity and Yahweh declaring to tolerate them and live in their midst; Yahweh declaring that the wilderness generation were disloyal and rebellious and Yahweh declaring that they were a paradigm of loyalty and faith; Yahweh declaring that he may be offered sacrifices at any altar and Yahweh declaring that there is only one altar where sacrifices are to be offered up; Yahweh declaring that the people saw him at Sinai and Yahweh declaring that they only heard his voice; Yahweh declaring that circumcision is an eternal covenant and keeping the land depends on observing this very commandment and Yahweh declaring the Mosaic laws as the covenant and keeping the land is dependent on keeping these laws; Yahweh declaring that he dwells in the midst of the people and Yahweh declaring that he only resides in heaven; Yahweh commanding Passover to be celebrated by all at Jerusalem and Yahweh commanding it to be celebrated at each person’s home; Yahweh commanding that animals for consumption must be ritually sacrificed and Yahweh commanding that they don’t have to be sacrificed ritually, etc. ***one must conclude that Yahweh is being used by these authors, each with their own contrary views and beliefs as a spokesperson for each of these authors’ agendas.*** These are all the personal, and competing, views, theological beliefs, and religious systems of our biblical authors. And this is only the tip of the iceberg."
*"Studying the Bible"* - Dr Steven DiMattei
*"Contradictions in the Bible | Identified verse by verse and explained using the most up-to-date scholarly information about the Bible, its texts, and the men who wrote them"* -- by Dr. Steven DiMattei
Yahweh only existed in other words in the minds of the Priestly Class. He was a fictional character. He was used by the authors of the Old Testament FOR EACH OF THESE AUTHOR’S AGENDAS.
Even if the Canaanites sacrificed some of their children to Moloch, how is the solution to kill all of them INCLUDING THE CHILDREN?
That song always vaguely comes to mind when I see Josh; and this is due to his academic background.
I'm here to see Dr. Bowen's brother. And Dr. Josh Bowen is great.
First to leave a comment! Great guest and interview Seth! Have a great and secular day!!
I find it interesting (if typical) that Christians (and Muslims, and Jews) are all about their stolen Sumerian Wargod Yahweh, but oblivious to his parents (Ninhursag and Enki) as well as Biblically (the same for the Quran and Torah) illiterate where the language is concerned.
I think that it is one thing to believe in a Bronze Age deity from Sumerian mythology, but to be abjectly ignorant of that deity's parents, or the fact that Yahweh has parents is quite telling of the caliber of followers of this/these form/s of theism.
I get that this screws up their whole "one and only" and "omnipotence" and "creator of existence" thing, but still. If you are going to embrace a whitewashed version of a minor wargod from a pantheon of 223 gods and goddesses from Sumer, at least learn the history and include his folks in your prayers and superstitious nonsense.
I think according to critical scholarship, Yahweh's parents were the Canaanite gods El and Athirat (Asherah).
Look up:
*"Excerpt from “Yahweh and the Gods and Goddesses of Canaan” by John Day - Lehi's Library."*
*"The Most Heiser: Yahweh and Elyon in Psalm 82 and Deuteronomy 32 - Religion at the Margins"* based on the *majority scholarly consensus.*
(Written by Thom Stark who is a Christian)
*"Michael Heiser: A Unique Species? - Religion at the Margins"*
(A second response to Michael Heiser)
*"The Syncretization of Yahweh and El : reddit/AcademicBiblical"*
(For a good summary of all of the above articles)
Thoroughly enjoyed that segment. As an undergraduate in Archaeology major, Theology minor and religion studies, I can relate to this topic. Search and be mindful, discuss, deliberate, analyse and critique makes true sense of things. I believe it can strengthen your faith by looking at things from a different perspective. This should not detract you from your faith but allows you to reinterpret things and not discard it. As emphasized in that talk.
Top notch.
My grandfather referred to tabernacle as "robbernacle" 😂😂😂😂😂
I've always said that if you transplant the culture of 1000 BC wholesale into the 21st century, you get Afghanistan!
Or QMaga.
Have to agree with you. I know a guy who grew up in Afghanistan and his experience was brutal.
Just ordered both books.
I left the teaching of church when I was 15. The following poem and list of books replaced all that.
“Freedom”
Resonating,
In longer and longer
Patience intervals
The thought to be myself.
Emotions arise,
From the mish-mash forest
Of a thousand voices past,
Which our mind is still
Sorting out,
Or, just trying to get back.
We need to learn
To hear them at last,
For we haven’t yet figured
Their spin,
Much less who they are
Or where they’ve been,
The meaning of within--
Mother, father,
Pastor, brother.
To get a handle,
We need to place you away,
Inside our inner eye,
Ourselves as well,
And be very still;
To watch the play,
Or change the stage…
With a past-reaction update.
To find your strength,
To find your strength,
For the self-bestowed treasure
Projects through the gate--
Or, just cancel it,
And say good-bye.
And with much practice fit,
The forest will appear then,
Without you having to try.
This poem has an interesting benefit -- of showing people how to get control of their own inner thought processes, by separating (“projecting”) present-based awareness imaginatively outward, away from the tumult of our usual, scattered thought processes. And THEN, one’s suggestions have much greater focus and potency, for freeing oneself from limiting or negative thought patterns, attitudes, expectations. It points to our inherent INNER FREEDOM, irrespective of physical limitations.
Suggested Readings:
*“Seth Speaks”, and
“The Nature of Personal Reality”,
*“Dreams, ‘Evolution,’ and Value fulfillment, Vol. 1 & 2”
(Chapters 1 and 2 ESPECIALLY)
by Jane Roberts;
“Conversations With Seth, Vols. 1 & 2”,
by Susan Watkins; and,
*“Autobiography of a Yogi,” (to really UNDERSTAND the Bible) and
“Man’s Eternal Quest”
by Paramahansa Yogananda.
Most books are available in audio format on You Tube.
I've said when my favourite football team beats the opposing team, that my team "slaughtered" the other team.
Didn't Saul try to excuse himself by stating that he "saved Agag for the Lord", implying that he planned some human sacrifice?
This works with most ingroup vs outgroup notions.
Examples:
My kids misbehaved... Reasoning might encompass a punishment, but blame can easily be shift to influence of others. And when the neighbor kids misbehaved in the same fashion people can assert a higher degree of blame without excuses and even outright separation from the person.
Our country does X and we turn a blind eye, but another country does X and we are condemning and sanctioning said country.
I absolutely died when I heard Seth narrating Josh’s book on Audible 😬🤩
Tired of dissecting religious mythology, I recently decided to go straight to ancient DNA.
Goes something like this:
Neanderthal and Denisovan DNA are present in modern humans, so which of Adam and Eve's descendants were the Neanderthals and which were the Denisovans?
Speaking of the discussion of slavery. Let's think about King Solomon, the King who was bestowed Wisdom by the Creator of the Universe.
It didn't factor to the wisest Human who ever lived that Slavery is bad? Or was he wise enough to reason away slavery or something, cause that would be funny how worshippers of a Creator deity that supposed to be the be all end all of moral absolutism, would either not figure that out or dismiss it as the way things are or justify it as a necessity of their society.
In antiquity, south-eastern Canaan was a very important centre for copper smelting.
While it is likely that there existed a patron deity of metallurgy, the identity of the Canaanite god of smelting remains unknown.
Although some biblical writings suggest a south Canaanite origin of Yahweh, no details are provided concerning his worship prior to him becoming the god of Israel (Jacob).
This study explores whether Yahweh was formerly the Canaanite god of metallurgy.
The following observations corroborate this hypothesis:
(1) Yahweh was worshiped by the Edomites, and especially by the Kenites, a small tribe regarded as the Canaanite smelters;
(2) the Israelite cult of Yahweh was associated with copper and with a bronze serpent, a typical symbol of metallurgy;
(3) the melting of copper is considered in Exodus 4 as the specific sign of Yahweh;
(4) a parallel exists between Yahweh and the god of metallurgy worshiped in Egypt (Ptah), Mesopotamia (Ea/Enki) and Elam (Napir), all of them being a mysterious lonely deity;
(5) fighting the (other) gods is common to Yahwism and to ancient metallurgical traditions.
This data suggests that, before becoming publicly worshipped in Israel, Yahweh was formerly the god of the Canaanite guild of metallurgists.
Keywords
Cain, copper smelting, Yahweh, Edom, Kenite, origin of monotheism.
Love Dr. Bowen. Smart and handsome.
HELL👏🏻YES👏🏻JOSH!!!
In regard to Sampson, is there any archetecture,assumed so large with pillars so close together,wing span length of arms?
Well when you believe in supernatural bullcrap you could always say Sampson stretched his arm's like elastic.
I guess in the mind of Christian's super villain's exist in the case of Sampson.
And clouds are formed by god walking around kicking up ( ahem) dust.confssion: I heard it on Jeopardy.
Yes indeed, and I watched the full talk .
45:26 best thing I've heard all day
"Who presents this woman" is still subjection. She "presents" herself.
Go Steelers!
Got a Christian dating website ad on this video... perfect!
I was not even sleepy until I heard this guy talking...I need a nap
God said to Abraham, kill me a son. Abe said, c'mon, god, you must be puttin me on! God said no, Abe said what? God said, well you can do what you want but next time you see the coming Man you better run.
Where do you want this killing done?
God said "Do it out on highway 61"
Written by the son of Abe (Zimmerman)
There is a disturbing lack of (not)Kent Hovind in this video.
Oh goodie!
I want to see Dr Joshua doing Dr Dino again! Hahaha
I Did An Experiment With a Group of Student and I Instructed the Students to Change the Character’s Names Around., whenever You See the Name God or The Lord substitute it with Satan and the Devil, & Vice a Versa (And it was Obvious)
Wow. I love that you did that. We're so brainwashed, even if we're nonreligious, all Western schooling came from the church, and it's informed by this notion: one ruler who tells you what to do, and the evil ones we have to fight. Including the evil in ourselves, born wrong or not enough. We all have to work hard and fight, is the ethos that comes from that. And look where it's gotten us.
"Yahweh" started out as a volcano god, so yeah, pretty terrifying.
The right to question gives privilege to learn.
Josh, you had me at "Steelers slaughtered the ravens last night" lol