I completely relate to his expirience as a christian and the road to etheism. I was also a christian and belived in Jesus whole heartedly. I had my doubts but never entertained them and shoved them to the back of my mind. It wasn't until I read the whole bible and started looking at it crictically without making excuses for it and saw it for what it was saying rather than what I wanted it to say that I became an etheist. I'm so glad I opened my eyes and saw it for what it is. Now my life as an atheist is much more fulfilling because I see the beauty in truth and the poetry in science
Beauty in truth and poetry in science. Exactly. No need to try to find excuses or try to explain things that can't - yet - be explained. The beauty of truth.
I was able to ignore the horrible things God ordered because all the good lovely people in the Church were able to ignore these passages. So good now to be an atheist and not feel the need to ignore the bad crazy parts of the Bible.
I don't know how any christian can defend that action. A *good* god would have *softened* his heart so he'd just immediately go "you guys can all go, and you know what, here's plenty of food and wealth for the road, and a map so you guys don't wind up wandering in the desert for years. And I think while I'm at it I'll convert to your religion since I feel the grace of God upon me compelling me to do these things."
Sam SAmmy there is a scripture in revelation I believe thy says in end times god will put it in their hearts to turn on gods people. I’ll look it up and reference it with an edit Revelation 17:17 puts it in their hearts to turn on Babylon the great to accomplish his ends.
@@MegaChickenfish What's even worse... read the following and see the God of the Bible is an ass: What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it , “Why have you made me like this?” Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles? Romans 9:14-24 NKJV
As a 1O yr old I went to bible charismatic meetings. I was given "The gift of tongues" I kept it up for a couple of years. In retrospect I know I was making it up. Totally Bllshting every one there. I knew it was a lie but loved the attention. Hahahaha 😂.
47:45 The torture chamber analogy is pretty incredible and sums up the contradictory notion of God saving you from himself. "Good news! You don't have to go down to my basement anymore! Which is great, because it's really nasty down there. I tortured my son there instead and I'm not so angry anymore. Now come live with me and love me."
I think the way christians look at this is that they believe that we bring it on ourselves and it would be our fault if we went to hell, and they say that it is not god sending us there. Does this make sense to you?
@@anonymousjohnson976 if you ask them, really pin them down on it.. they will always say "I'm not the one sending you to hell. YOUR choice is doing it....." it's their escape clause to be morally degenerate...
Hell isn’t a torture chamber the bible makes it clear that people will be annihilated even Bart ehrman agrees with this. God is saving us from death not he’ll. he wants us to have eternal life not to cease to exist however it’s your choice.
This was great to hear. I also have a lot of sentimental memories from my 20 years as a believer, but I wouldn’t trade it for the peace of mind, lack of guilt, and clarity I have now.
Even after 15 years of being away from church, I still miss the warm welcome and the joy. Maybe it was fake. Maybe it was real. In any case, I miss it.
Thank you for the great talk. This reminds me of a pastor who came out of a cult based on Christianity in Korea. He said it took him months and months to get out of the cult even after he realized that he was following a false leader.
"Speaking in tongues" is one of the easiest religious claims to debunk. The entire POINT of the Holy Spirit giving it to the disciples in the first place was so that they could speak to anyone in any language, WITHOUT the need for a translator. If you go up to a person who has just "spoken in tongues" and ask them what "language" that they were speaking in, and ask for a word-for-word translation, their response is likely to be something along the lines of "Well, um. Er. I uh, umm...".
Seems like a lot of trouble the Holy Spirit is making for itself. Why not use telepathy? My mother tried speaking in tongues before she died. It didn't do anything.
@@JamesRichardWiley It's been a long time since I was a good little Catholic girl, but as I recall, "speaking in tongues" wasn't something that a person could just seek out through faith and prayer; it was supposed to be an unexpected, spontaneous thing. And it's been quite awhile since Catechism class, but I only recall one incident of it happening, in the entire Bible.
I'm a mechanic. Still occasionally get hurt after doing it for over 50 years. You should hear me speak in tongues then! Also, cannot always repeat it again afterwards! 🤦😁😁
I am not a strident Atheist . I am what I call a " Small A" atheist . There is so much more that defines me . Atheism is just describes one thing that does not define me . Still its always interesting to me to hear the stories of people who were yoked by religion in every aspect of their lives leaving their faith behind them .
Read the book "Don't Sleep There are Snakes". Not directly about religion but the author goes to the Amazon in the 1960's to "Save" the natives and translate the bible to their language. Very interesting. The author goes to the Amazon a Christian and comes out an agnostic.
I have a love / hate relationship with Dan Barker. I started to write a book a year and a half ago, angered by seeing Isis murdering people over their religion, angered by my neighbor who is a YEC. Then it started to hit me that just how many people in the world are delusional. I started to write, started to vent out all my frustrations of a non thinking world. I tried to show by reason things in all our daily lives that are just that, just bad luck or good luck. Tried to show Triblinka, Babi Yar or any of the atrocities of WWII that man can do to man. And I asked where was god then? Arguing with my neighbor ( YEC ) that the planet is 4.5 billion years old and showing the evidence, I loose in trying to convince him. Looking for evidence I listen to youtube, Seth Andrews The Thinking Atheist. I read Dr. Price's book and I read Dan Barker's book. Dan Barkers Book blew me completely out of the water with the Bible. Now I can't write, Dan has completely taken everything I wanted to tell the human race right out of me. I'm thinking I can't say it better than Dan. But I love Dan's information of the old testament. Dan's book should be required reading for every school kid, WORLD WIDE, IF THAT IS POSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The more I research, the more I'm finding how scary the delusional world is. I honestly believe this is a brain disorder. If a person is unable to reason, if a person is unable to compare and think, WE ARE ALL IN TROUBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. I don't see Isis ever being completely eradicated from the planet, unless we educate. I can see Christianity reverting back to the Inquisition days, all because we can't think. I want to say "heaven help us" but knowing that is not going to work, I get frustrated. It's all up to us people, the thinkers, god isn't going to help us.
What do you think of the world today? Of what happens in Europe nowadays? Are things going for better? People being more rational and reli*ion loosing it's frightening power? Does not seem to be so, unfortunately.
That's a big problem with Jehovah's Witnesses is that their friendships are ALL conditional. Decide you no longer believe...or have doubts...and you will lose all the friends you have...lose family member privileges and perhaps your job if you are an employee of another Witness.
I do a lot of charity work for the military due to my retirement, I met a chap who I thought was doing the same as me until he started his "Christian beliefs" babble . I tolerated it as long as I could until he realised it was not going to work with me and then the veneer of a caring gentleman dropped and he disappeared in the fog never to be heard of again . I learnt a lot about the religious that day .
My father's 3rd wife had lived a wild life, then tried to make up for it by becoming a Jehovah's Witness. They had 2 daughters together. She showed blatant favoritism to the older one. But when the older one decided to leave the religion, she disowned her.
This sister without Christ really enjoyed this discussion. How could such a book be marketed to Christians to get them to read it? No doubt it will be read by mostly non believers, not the ones that really need to read it.
Yes I would hate to lose a person that has done so much to enlighten people and challenge them to think logically about reality. And a brilliant mind that always helps me clear out the bullshit and replace it with logic and common sense
One of the best books l have read, long overdue, if you want a rapid critique of the bible this is it.The book is ideal for the budding atheist and gives a great lesson in gods character and moral stance.Tip ,just keep it near the front door giving instant referral for itinerant door knocking Christians .
I didn't know about that time Jesus took the OT out of context. We repeated that damned "love the lord your god with all your heart/soul/strength" thing *every GOD-DAMNED WEEK.* We sang it, and I'm pretty sure we said it during communion or some other ritual we repeated every single service. _Every freaking remotely redeemable thing that I thought there was to my church has just been shit on by reality._ I'm getting exhausted of this perpetual cycle of disappointment.
From the entrapment of Adam and Eve and the mass extermination of nearly every living thing on Earth to the self torture and crucifixion of his earthy body the Hebrew god Yahweh has left a trail of blood and ruined lives in his failed effort to force humanity to worship him and love him. What a heartbreaking story.
I think he should have out more emphasis on that wine drinking part when he came down to earth. Just tell us, "Drink and be merry - this is fermented grape juice that tastes good and makes people feel less shitty. Do this whenever in forgettance of me "
Even if this Abrahamic god of the Bible were real, I’d never worship him anyway. I’d rather be tortured for eternity than spend it glorifying a morally degenerate psychopath like this Yahweh that’s described in the “good” book…
Please do! I have heard that there are public schools in Florida that are teaching creationism and they are actually performing group prayers during class.
What I find interesting about the separation of Church and State is that their is no separation in the UK, yet the UK is more secular than the US. My local church was across the road from my school, and every Friday the school was marched over there for service, and all major school functions took place there. Yet religion was forgotten about as soon as we marched back out of the church door. Personally I believe it is the religiosity of the population that is more significant.
You are both great speakers! I really love what you do! Thank you! It is so nice not to think, I’m alone in an asylum of lunatics, there are two other rational people with me. 🥳
I would have never known of Dawkin's hospitalization if it were not for this. I wonder how that could be. I subscribe to so many science and atheist TH-camrs. It really bothers me. Thanks for sharing.
Yea and if you put his name in the Google search bar, there's an article titled "If I were Richard Dawkins I would count my blessings" and some religious nut writer is using what had happened to him to spread their bigotry.
great interview. the video version of this interview is great too. the only thing out-of-whack is the stop-motion of Dan's camera but this is a minimal distraction. looks like from the spacestation. Great book by Barker - I have my copy.
As one rabbi said... God created man and man returned the favor. The bible sounds more like how man thinks and behaves, not how an All Powerful Being would act or think. A perfect being would not NEED to be praised, obeyed, feared or unable to bear imperfection. Would a perfect being experience anger, hostility, jealousy, judgment and punishment? I don't think so but yet we are told constantly by the religious that we are imperfect for having the same feelings. Sigh. I do believe in Source/ Force/ Goodness/ Love but without all the bullshit.Believing in God doesn't make you GOOD and not believing in God doesn't make you BAD. If I've learned anything in my 63 yrs.it's that. If you need to be spiritually policed to be a good person.... you've learned nothing. Ok I'll get off my soap box lol :o)
@@cjtjets5941 Another famous rabbi also said... What you HATE don't do to another. While we don't all love the same things we do hate the same things. We hate to be stolen from, lied to, betrayed, demeaned, falsely accused, abused, terrorized,murdered etc so we already know what NOT to do to another... instinctively.
@Jonathan Hughes I was raised a Catholic, I was a born again Christian for 4 decades. Now I believe as do the Jews, so I have no faith in the NT which is the opposite of Judaism. G-d doesn't become a man and no man becomes G-d. Oh, and the devil? Show me one place in Torah/ Tanakh or even what you call the OT where Sa'tan did other than what G-d allowed? Angels don't have free will. They aren't good or bad. They are messengers and do as told. Christianity adapted to paganism. It's all pagans understood. Man/gods no problem, human sacrifice for favors or forgiveness, no problem. Virgin births, no problem. Three figure god heads, no problem. NO ONE knows ALL G-d IS. Judaism states what G-d is NOT and it makes a hell of a lot more sense than anything I ever heard as a Christian.
The Bible is recorded human thought. The god character the writers named Yahweh is a perfect description of a schizophrenic human primate with super powers who can do no wrong. Once you convince people that Yahweh is real you can use that belief to control them.
That analogy (and im someone who watches creepypastas and horror films) creeped me the fuck out! IT was well done.. I loved the show...and I can see how creeped and fucked up the story was.
My town puts up a nativity scene every year at Christmas, they also put up a Christmas tree. At night the nativity scene has 3 floodlights shining on it and the Christmas tree has no lights at all, not even on the tree. The nativity is right up next to the road, the Christmas tree is back off in a corner.
We can feel better for those women and kids of Jericho knowing that archeologists have looked over Jericho with a fine tooth comb numerous times and have found no destruction, and whatever walls there were didn't fall. In particular, nobody was living there at the time indicated in the OT.
I grew up in an old style Methodist church. Beautiful! I miss looking at all the beauties, the fresh flowers and the candles. That is all I miss. Never ever liked to listen to the preacher or teacher. I would purposely zone out. I thought the Christian religion was terribly awful and frightening since I was 5. I remember because of an incident. I am not an atheist but hate Abrahamic religions. I got reasons. I believe one should believe what they want but keep it to yourself unless you are discussing it in a larger conversation as philosophy. Never push anything on others and keep religion out of government and schools. Tax the hell out of them. It would pay the national debt.
Since I was around 16 years old, I had been seeking peace of mind. I was raised (loosely) christian. Went to church, nothing said about it at home. It is interesting that the christian religion speaks of the "peace of God" as a "gift that surpasses all understanding." Ironically, I had to give up christianity altogether to find that peace. I made a conscious decision to set christianity aside and search for the truth. I found it. And never went back. Then I went back and saw Yeshua of Nazareth in a completely different way. I understand what he was on about. And it has little to do with what most learn in church.
Even if god exists, it matters not because we can gather knowledge only by thinking about what our five sense discover for us. This proves we cannot ever know what god wants from and for us! We can only know what priests want from us [and never what "the holy books" want from us]; which is obedience, money, adulation....
If you'd know just what Eph 4:18, "We fix our eyes not on what is is seen, but what is unseen" and 5:7, "We live by faith and not by sight" say, you'd know that the two verses command believers to spurn, hate, and reject knowledge. The word "sight" means knowledge, but the scribes were cunning and lying enough to replace the words "our common human knowledge and facts" [by which we solely survived on this planet] with "wisdom" and which is foolishness in god's sight. While some wisdom may be foolish; ie, not correct; knowledge and facts are never foolishness but very important for our survival, well-being, happiness, co-operations, sharing, etc.
9:45 I'm disappointed that I never noticed that connection as an ex-lutheran. A book of the bible literally going "HAH, you want a personal relationship with god without fallible human intermediaries? NO, YOU GET A SMITING!" _Why the FUCK didn't we ever mention this?!_ (#734 or so, I swear I find a new reason to exclaim this every time the bible is recited....) edit: And it only gets better as the next group moves in "hey, why are you murdering thousands of your own people?" "HOW DARE YOU QUESTION MY METHODS YOU DIE TOO" *HOW THE FUCK DID THESE PEOPLE EVER CONVINCE ME THIS CHARACTER WAS "GOOD"?!*
Dan, Just got your book, can't put it down. Thanks for the work you've done to make this. Rita is right, believers won't read it, because we already know but it doe's give us ammo. Now with the recent Paris and Brussels incidents, we need TV documentaries education in schools. We need Nuclear power to educate the world or terrorism will go on for centuries.
Me too. As Carl Sagan so eloquently said: "The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.
The great thing about the Old testament and Moses not having any archaeological evidence is that all this bloodthirsty action actually never took place. It just serves as a fear Factor😊 for those who don't want to obey the person who thinks they are God. Jesus has hell instead of the bloodthirsty
Considering the amount of misogyny in the Bible, I do wish people would stop saying that a female slave is worth half a male slave counts as misogyny. Considering the work a slave would have to undertake, i.e. hard and brutal, the value was based on simple economics. Isn't the condoning of slavery enough to show God in a bad light in said passage? Additionally, in a culture where all men would likely have to bear arms to protect their families, women who would not be expected to, or also less capable, would be considered less than a man who was able to bear arms. Also stop calling biological ignorance misogyny. The exclusion of women from so many aspects of society, and treating as property, is enough misogyny. Too much of what we now call misogyny in the Bible was a cultural imperative for that society to survive. In today's world those practices are misogynistic. Not because they are inherently so, but because there is no requirement for those practices in today's culture. Women have gained equality in our culture as physical strength, and the requirement to bear arms has become less expected of a man and intellect has become more significant. The ignorance and barbarity displayed in the Bible is more than enough to ridicule holding it up as an example of how to live ones life.
there was NEVER a requirement for that. it was only seen as moral. are you also pro-slavery because it was required back then for distribution of blacks and Africans? we have progessed. we didn't just decide it was not required but it's immoral.
+Mario Pendic he is clearly saying that a female slave being valued less than a male slave was due to the amount of work they could do and its value and not misogyny. somehow you twisted his words to say he is pro slavery, when he condemned slavery in his comment.
L The Almighty Destroyer of Worlds and Bringer of Rectal Fissures except for the fact that females in Islam are worth less than a man. A slave is worth even less. women then were not seen as equal to men. And women were to obey the husband and husband could beat the wife with some restrictins. How in the hell is that not sexism?
L The Almighty Destroyer of Worlds and Bringer of Rectal Fissures it was. Thats like saying slavery in the south wasn't due to racism. Of course it was. And because of that racism, the people were productive.
I have heard Christians say (and I used to say this myself) "Jesus was a feminist and saw woman as equal" "Look at how he treated the women he came into contact with, he treated them with respect" (these are paraphrased) But if God is unchanging (as it says in the Bible) does that mean that god is still a misogynistic genocidal maniac that is okay with slavery? Cause the Old Testament god and New Testament god seem to be different. NT god seems to be trying a different tactic to get humans to love them (god).
I don't mind the ads for NatureBox. But, when salivating, I keep thinking it's a shame we don't have NatureBox in the UK. We can't check it out - despite hearing about it every week.
+Mal from London Hi Mal. You might be right.I was a Graze user for 2 years and the snacks Seth advertised were often different to the ones I got delivered.
When I was growing up, I grew up Baptist. One thing we could not do was play with our friends that were Catholic. But at school we would. So go figure we still got a place and we just ladies can come over our house. I just don’t. I never got that as a kid because in my eyes as a child, they were people they just went to a different church.
The guy doesn't say "You don't have to go down into my basement....". He says he knows a guy who has a basement with torture equiptment, and he put his son down there, and you don't have to go into HIS basement. And this guy is invisible and communicates with you psychically but you're not listening.
Dan's book is great, but he misses one important adjective that was left out of his book. GOD IS ALSO A MURDERER, A FIRST DEGREE MURDERER. Now get back to reading the bible, and I'll give you a clue just where to find this. Genesis!!
@@ellasmith6554 Ella, if a rapist gets someone pregnant...are they considered an author of life? But, at the same time...if the pregnant girl, who was raped, had an abortion...you would say she is committing murder. But your god cannot be a murderer for murdering every person on the planet, except for 8 people...and he is justified in doing so?
@@mrsmith735I think they’re trying to say that god can’t be a murderer because he created all of us, so he is allowed to do whatever he wants to us, including murder us, but it can’t be considered murder because he made us…I think I’m following their “logic”.
I was preaching and "winning souls" at 17. Played piano in church and for groups. Went to Biola University, a leading Christian liberal arts college {near Azusa Pacific.}. Bible major. Went on to be a youth pastor, street evangelist, worship leader. Still speak in tongues. {if I want}. I went to different Pentecostal churches, then more "charismatic" churches. LOLOL. My life paralleled Dan's.
+216trixie How do you speak in tongues? Is it a conscious action? Does your mind go blank and your emotions take over? Does the speech center of your brain go haywire and allow you to utter gibberish? PLEASE HELP ME UNDERSTAND! I am SO FRIGGIN CURIOUS, I've been raised around Pentecostal people my whole life, and have always been seriously weirded out by it, but never had the opportunity to ask a former christian about it! My Dad is a Pentecostal preacher and his whole body shakes when he speaks in tongues and it's just so BATSHIT CULTISHY CRAZY.
Cosmic Rogue After I was first "baptized in the holy spirit", maybe a year or two after I was saved, it took another six months or so before I started speaking in tongues. I must have spent that time subconsciously memorizing words others were doing in church, or my brain was coming up with it's own gibberish. One day, in prayer, I just started. I would sometimes get emotional, but not more than any other time praying or being in church. The very interesting thing is it's been about 25 years since I lost my faith. I can still speak in the same "language" if I want to. Proof there is no holy spirit I guess!...Don't feel anything. It's pretty silly. I never pull it out in front of anyone........Pentecostals are good at thriving on emotions.
216trixie Wow. Thanks for replying. I always wondered about the psychological implications- it is obviously a learned behavior. And the stress from needing to conform, of needing to prove your relationship with the "holy spirit", must push peoples brains into uttering this crazy false language. Fascinating, and also, slightly disturbing.
Rita, Yeah we'll read it but we all know someone who is a believer, so word will get around. Thanks to Seth and Dan for this ammo. I knew from just Numbers 31 that god was mean and evil, now I have nukes to use to educate people, boy still a tough road to travel to educate Islam.
I don't attack god. That would be as crazy as attacking Sauron or Voldemort. All fictional characters. I am attacking those fools who believe god is true.
Speaking as a woman with an interest in evolutionary biology, sociobiology and anthropology, attributing the historical gender roles of men and women to simply "male sexism" seems not only simplistic but also incredibly lazy.
+disastergirl888 I agree. Just as western cultures in the age of exploration dismissed foreign cultures as barbaric and having nothing to offer. So today's SJW culture is equally dismissive of the practices of past cultures because of their own ignorance, and yet simultaneously condemn western culture of its dismissive attitude to foreign cultures because we do not condone practices straight out of the Bible.
As a non Christian even l have to admit that bizarre events have happened. The Bible has lots of contradictions but l think there might be entities that roam about unseen and occasionally show themselves. I just can't make sense of it.
I find it astonishing that Bible believers just conveniently disregard the passages of the Bible that portray God as very unpleasant! It is called cherry picking ?
We are taught to wear "god glasses" so to speak, and we are taught that God can do no wrong. "God is good all the time, all the time god is good" is a phrase that is kind of said often and I feel brainwashes you in a sense to only see all that God does is good and moral (be it good or bad by our standards). I am not sure if this phrase is said in other church denominations. Also there are a lot of apologetics that are weaved into it. I am busy reading the Bible again and I can't believe I made excuses and accepted excuses for god. Also in sermons, the pastor/minister, select certain verses and speak on those verses. As far as I can remember I don't recall sermons based on the more brutal verses and stories. But there are a lot of fire and brim stone preachers out there.
@@amy_pieterse Amy Pieterse. You were given a brain to think with. You need to think for yourself and not just BELIEVE what is said from the pulpit. When I started to read the Bible ( Not with God Glasses ) I realised that the Bible was written by mortal authors, and all male authors, I might add. It's no wonder that the God of the Bible is distinctly of MALE gender. Get my point ?
@@richardwilliams473 - Correct, ... but you neglected to acknowledge what a pompous, egotistical, sadistic asshole the bible's god creature actually is. However, fear, guilt and denial of their own mortality causes 'blindness' to this reality and the ridiculous adherence to worship foolishly.
The Baptist church I grew up in South Dakota/Minnesota. We would do stuff with the Penecostal church in town because all the other churches were evil they didn’t have the true God true religion, so yeah I I totally get that. Stick it in time and shit. As I get out of that was crazy and even then I thought they were thinking it.
You can be an atheist and understand the meaning behind that "figure of speech" God. Zen Buddhism suspends judgement on the term while affirming the spritual foundation of the tangible, visible universe inside of us and out. We need not have "theism" mislead us or lead us away from the great I am of which we tangible, visible units are but a part.
+rob mieremet Tell that to the God you must be arguing for after he allowed to watch his son die so that you and I can live. Because even if it is a story anyone/thing that is willing to sacrifice themselves for others seems pretty loving. thanks for the comment though
+Supertracker007 //i am an atheist. antitheist if you will, so for me everithing about gods and profeths is unpleasant fiction. The fact that more that half the worlds population believes it is true does not make it true.wars have been and are fought over stupid books bij stupid people. That a son wants to die for a father is noble of course, but a omnipotent father who let his son die that way is a cruel maniak. Bye now.
+rob mieremet sure if you look at it in such a skewed way, but ultimately i see more philosophical reason for God than not purposely avoiding science because its God not something science can study
+Supertracker007 well, i think god didnt go to sceinceclass either hahaha. i love philosophy, but why GOD, jesus there is enough to think about next to religeon .
+Supertracker007 But his supposed interactions with our natural world can't be detected? If you can't even prove his existence philosophically or by any other means, how do you expect others to believe it?
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***** I'm sorry for not being clear. I wish you didn't need advertisers to make the ends meet and continue to produce your show for us. I also wish there were no religious people. Neither wish is remotely likely to be fulfilled. After that, you are quite correct. I was and continue to be perfectly happy with their product, and have nothing bad to say about them. PS. I wish the first time you responded to me had been over something less banal than advertisers, but I'll take a response from Seth Andrews over anything as the highlight of my day. ;)
+renegade4dio the first time that he responded to me, it was about him sounding incredibly narcissistic and self-absorbed. lol. but maybe its just his talent as speaker and experience as a radio host.
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I like the " torture chamber in the basement " analogy. Anyone who has an ability to think critically would not believe in any craps religion is preaching. I got out at a young age and would never go back.
If God is omnipotent and knows everything, why do Catholics confess their sins to a priest so he can tell God, and assure they're repentant? ;] So in reality, their god knows nothing of the affairs of humanity. Lies like that [he knows all] are absurd!
The Priests were "spies" . They wrote everything down and used it to persecute the honest folk. They used the "confessional" as "KGB"in training . True story !
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I completely relate to his expirience as a christian and the road to etheism. I was also a christian and belived in Jesus whole heartedly. I had my doubts but never entertained them and shoved them to the back of my mind. It wasn't until I read the whole bible and started looking at it crictically without making excuses for it and saw it for what it was saying rather than what I wanted it to say that I became an etheist. I'm so glad I opened my eyes and saw it for what it is. Now my life as an atheist is much more fulfilling because I see the beauty in truth and the poetry in science
So happy for you welcome back to reality
Me, I left the God thing because Women!!!
Beauty in truth and poetry in science. Exactly. No need to try to find excuses or try to explain things that can't - yet - be explained. The beauty of truth.
I absolutely LOVED the analogy of the "torture chamber in the basement". How can you NOT wrap your head around that comparison? 'Just brilliant.
I was able to ignore the horrible things God ordered because all the good lovely people in the Church were able to ignore these passages. So good now to be an atheist and not feel the need to ignore the bad crazy parts of the Bible.
It really is brilliant!
The whole "harden pharaos heart"- thing throws a big wrench into any free will argument.
I don't know how any christian can defend that action. A *good* god would have *softened* his heart so he'd just immediately go "you guys can all go, and you know what, here's plenty of food and wealth for the road, and a map so you guys don't wind up wandering in the desert for years. And I think while I'm at it I'll convert to your religion since I feel the grace of God upon me compelling me to do these things."
MegaChickenfish that would be a good change to start to fix that messed up book of fiction.
That one is a little hard to refute, cause some people say that it’s a translation error
Sam SAmmy there is a scripture in revelation I believe thy says in end times god will put it in their hearts to turn on gods people. I’ll look it up and reference it with an edit
Revelation 17:17 puts it in their hearts to turn on Babylon the great to accomplish his ends.
@@MegaChickenfish What's even worse... read the following and see the God of the Bible is an ass:
What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? Certainly not! For He says to Moses, “I will have mercy on whomever I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whomever I will have compassion.” So then it is not of him who wills, nor of him who runs, but of God who shows mercy. For the Scripture says to the Pharaoh, “For this very purpose I have raised you up, that I may show My power in you, and that My name may be declared in all the earth.” Therefore He has mercy on whom He wills, and whom He wills He hardens. You will say to me then, “Why does He still find fault? For who has resisted His will?” But indeed, O man, who are you to reply against God? Will the thing formed say to him who formed it , “Why have you made me like this?” Does not the potter have power over the clay, from the same lump to make one vessel for honor and another for dishonor? What if God, wanting to show His wrath and to make His power known, endured with much longsuffering the vessels of wrath prepared for destruction, and that He might make known the riches of His glory on the vessels of mercy, which He had prepared beforehand for glory, even us whom He called, not of the Jews only, but also of the Gentiles?
Romans 9:14-24 NKJV
As a 1O yr old I went to bible charismatic meetings. I was given "The gift of tongues" I kept it up for a couple of years. In retrospect I know I was making it up. Totally Bllshting every one there. I knew it was a lie but loved the attention. Hahahaha 😂.
47:45 The torture chamber analogy is pretty incredible and sums up the contradictory notion of God saving you from himself. "Good news! You don't have to go down to my basement anymore! Which is great, because it's really nasty down there. I tortured my son there instead and I'm not so angry anymore. Now come live with me and love me."
I think the way christians look at this is that they believe that we bring it on ourselves and it would be our fault if we went to hell, and they say that it is not god sending us there. Does this make sense to you?
@@anonymousjohnson976 if you ask them, really pin them down on it.. they will always say "I'm not the one sending you to hell. YOUR choice is doing it....." it's their escape clause to be morally degenerate...
Wonderful!
Hell isn’t a torture chamber the bible makes it clear that people will be annihilated even Bart ehrman agrees with this. God is saving us from death not he’ll. he wants us to have eternal life not to cease to exist however it’s your choice.
And when you hear it that way, it sounds sick as fuck.
This was great to hear. I also have a lot of sentimental memories from my 20 years as a believer, but I wouldn’t trade it for the peace of mind, lack of guilt, and clarity I have now.
Even after 15 years of being away from church, I still miss the warm welcome and the joy. Maybe it was fake. Maybe it was real. In any case, I miss it.
Thank you for the great talk. This reminds me of a pastor who came out of a cult based on Christianity in Korea. He said it took him months and months to get out of the cult even after he realized that he was following a false leader.
I'm glad that I'm an atheist.
You're glad to pretend?
For a lack of a better word.... amen to that. 😂👍
"Speaking in tongues" is one of the easiest religious claims to debunk. The entire POINT of the Holy Spirit giving it to the disciples in the first place was so that they could speak to anyone in any language, WITHOUT the need for a translator. If you go up to a person who has just "spoken in tongues" and ask them what "language" that they were speaking in, and ask for a word-for-word translation, their response is likely to be something along the lines of "Well, um. Er. I uh, umm...".
Totally understand. Read my comments 😃
Seems like a lot of trouble the Holy Spirit is making for itself. Why not use telepathy?
My mother tried speaking in tongues before she died.
It didn't do anything.
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It's been a long time since I was a good little Catholic girl, but as I recall, "speaking in tongues" wasn't something that a person could just seek out through faith and prayer; it was supposed to be an unexpected, spontaneous thing.
And it's been quite awhile since Catechism class, but I only recall one incident of it happening, in the entire Bible.
I'm a mechanic. Still occasionally get hurt after doing it for over 50 years. You should hear me speak in tongues then! Also, cannot always repeat it again afterwards! 🤦😁😁
I was once at a meeting. A guy started saying "Holler goller woller boller ". That was it, just repeated over and over. What is that supposed to mean?
I am not a strident Atheist . I am what I call a " Small A" atheist . There is so much more that defines me . Atheism is just describes one thing that does not define me . Still its always interesting to me to hear the stories of people who were yoked by religion in every aspect of their lives leaving their faith behind them .
Read the book "Don't Sleep There are Snakes". Not directly about religion but the author goes to the Amazon in the 1960's to "Save" the natives and translate the bible to their language. Very interesting. The author goes to the Amazon a Christian and comes out an agnostic.
Seth you have the best voice to listen to in radio, podcast, etc. Keep up the good work.👍
I have a love / hate relationship with Dan Barker. I started to write a book a year and a half ago, angered by seeing Isis murdering people over their religion, angered by my neighbor who is a YEC. Then it started to hit me that just how many people in the world are delusional. I started to write, started to vent out all my frustrations of a non thinking world. I tried to show by reason things in all our daily lives that are just that, just bad luck or good luck. Tried to show Triblinka, Babi Yar or any of the atrocities of WWII that man can do to man. And I asked where was god then? Arguing with my neighbor ( YEC ) that the planet is 4.5 billion years old and showing the evidence, I loose in trying to convince him. Looking for evidence I listen to youtube, Seth Andrews The Thinking Atheist. I read Dr. Price's book and I read Dan Barker's book. Dan Barkers Book blew me completely out of the water with the Bible. Now I can't write, Dan has completely taken everything I wanted to tell the human race right out of me. I'm thinking I can't say it better than Dan. But I love Dan's information of the old testament. Dan's book should be required reading for every school kid, WORLD WIDE, IF THAT IS POSSIBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The more I research, the more I'm finding how scary the delusional world is. I honestly believe this is a brain disorder. If a person is unable to reason, if a person is unable to compare and think, WE ARE ALL IN TROUBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. I don't see Isis ever being completely eradicated from the planet, unless we educate. I can see Christianity reverting back to the Inquisition days, all because we can't think. I want to say "heaven help us" but knowing that is not going to work, I get frustrated. It's all up to us people, the thinkers, god isn't going to help us.
What do you think of the world today? Of what happens in Europe nowadays? Are things going for better? People being more rational and reli*ion loosing it's frightening power? Does not seem to be so, unfortunately.
The analogy of the character inviting a passers-by into his house is excellent. I will use that.
That's a big problem with Jehovah's Witnesses is that their friendships are ALL conditional. Decide you no longer believe...or have doubts...and you will lose all the friends you have...lose family member privileges and perhaps your job if you are an employee of another Witness.
I do a lot of charity work for the military due to my retirement, I met a chap who I thought was doing the same as me until he started his "Christian beliefs" babble . I tolerated it as long as I could until he realised it was not going to work with me and then the veneer of a caring gentleman dropped and he disappeared in the fog never to be heard of again . I learnt a lot about the religious that day .
My father's 3rd wife had lived a wild life, then tried to make up for it by becoming a Jehovah's Witness. They had 2 daughters together. She showed blatant favoritism to the older one. But when the older one decided to leave the religion, she disowned her.
This sister without Christ really enjoyed this discussion. How could such a book be marketed to Christians to get them to read it? No doubt it will be read by mostly non believers, not the ones that really need to read it.
+Rita Brown lol. Very end of the talk he mentions "brothers without Christ". I see what you did!
Christians won't even read their own bible. Why would the lazies read a book that tells them that their god is no good.
Some will read it to counter it. A very few will begin to realize...
Some will read it to try to satisfy doubts.
Hoping Richard Dawkins makes a full recovery.
Yes I would hate to lose a person that has done so much to enlighten people and challenge them to think logically about reality. And a brilliant mind that always helps me clear out the bullshit and replace it with logic and common sense
I Hope after Hicken has gone thru and pass away, I hope he can communicate with us what is the beyond
14:33 Dan Barker starts here
42:58 Book discussion
47:24 Give me analogy of torture chamber
This is a fantastic interview!
I've read both God and The God Delusion in the past four years. Excellent reads.
One of the best books l have read, long overdue, if you want a rapid critique of the bible this is it.The book is ideal for the budding atheist and gives a great lesson in gods character and moral stance.Tip ,just keep it near the front door giving instant referral for itinerant door knocking Christians .
I didn't know about that time Jesus took the OT out of context. We repeated that damned "love the lord your god with all your heart/soul/strength" thing *every GOD-DAMNED WEEK.* We sang it, and I'm pretty sure we said it during communion or some other ritual we repeated every single service.
_Every freaking remotely redeemable thing that I thought there was to my church has just been shit on by reality._ I'm getting exhausted of this perpetual cycle of disappointment.
From the entrapment of Adam and Eve and the mass extermination of nearly every living thing on Earth
to the self torture and crucifixion of his earthy body
the Hebrew god Yahweh has left a trail of blood and ruined lives
in his failed effort to force humanity to worship him and love him.
What a heartbreaking story.
I think he should have out more emphasis on that wine drinking part when he came down to earth. Just tell us, "Drink and be merry - this is fermented grape juice that tastes good and makes people feel less shitty. Do this whenever in forgettance of me "
Even if this Abrahamic god of the Bible were real, I’d never worship him anyway.
I’d rather be tortured for eternity than spend it glorifying a morally degenerate psychopath like this Yahweh that’s described in the “good” book…
God sure would be the most unpleasant character if he existed.
He's just that.....a character
Dan barker's book as good as any I have ever read documenting this maniac God.
I am a teacher and if religion is implemented in the classroom I’ll have a picnic with the curriculum !
Please do! I have heard that there are public schools in Florida that are teaching creationism and they are actually performing group prayers during class.
That torture chamber in the basement analogy was spot on! I'm gonna be using that one. Great show, Seth!
I like the extortionist crime boss analogy with his protection racket on human souls....
Thank you. I came up with this analogy and Seth stole it off me
What I find interesting about the separation of Church and State is that their is no separation in the UK, yet the UK is more secular than the US. My local church was across the road from my school, and every Friday the school was marched over there for service, and all major school functions took place there. Yet religion was forgotten about as soon as we marched back out of the church door. Personally I believe it is the religiosity of the population that is more significant.
@Brian John Same here in Belgium.
I have the book and I love reading it.Way more fun to read than the Bible😁
Please lend and send it to me ...
You read bits of the Bible when reading the book, though....and the uglier parts, by the way.
You are both great speakers! I really love what you do! Thank you! It is so nice not to think, I’m alone in an asylum of lunatics, there are two other rational people with me. 🥳
I would have never known of Dawkin's hospitalization if it were not for this. I wonder how that could be. I subscribe to so many science and atheist TH-camrs. It really bothers me. Thanks for sharing.
Yea and if you put his name in the Google search bar, there's an article titled "If I were Richard Dawkins I would count my blessings" and some religious nut writer is using what had happened to him to spread their bigotry.
+Yuri L This doesn't surprise me. It sucks that we even have to take baby steps with our atheism while we see shit like that.
+Freeyourmind It was on This Week in Stupid.
+Yuri L Sadly,as he said it,the religious aren't the ones responsible for this.What happened with him is disgusting.
+E M That's where I heard. Which is a shame, because I feel like 3-4 years ago it would have been at least mentioned on a major news site.
great interview. the video version of this interview is great too. the only thing out-of-whack is the stop-motion of Dan's camera but this is a minimal distraction. looks like from the spacestation. Great book by Barker - I have my copy.
As one rabbi said... God created man and man returned the favor. The bible sounds more like how man thinks and behaves, not how an All Powerful Being would act or think. A perfect being would not NEED to be praised, obeyed, feared or unable to bear imperfection. Would a perfect being experience anger, hostility, jealousy, judgment and punishment? I don't think so but yet we are told constantly by the religious that we are imperfect for having the same feelings. Sigh. I do believe in Source/ Force/ Goodness/ Love but without all the bullshit.Believing in God doesn't make you GOOD and not believing in God doesn't make you BAD. If I've learned anything in my 63 yrs.it's that. If you need to be spiritually policed to be a good person.... you've learned nothing. Ok I'll get off my soap box lol :o)
No need to get off your soapbox. That all made perfect sense
AMEN lol
@@cjtjets5941 Another famous rabbi also said... What you HATE don't do to another. While we don't all love the same things we do hate the same things. We hate to be stolen from, lied to, betrayed, demeaned, falsely accused, abused, terrorized,murdered etc so we already know what NOT to do to another... instinctively.
@Jonathan Hughes I was raised a Catholic, I was a born again Christian for 4 decades. Now I believe as do the Jews, so I have no faith in the NT which is the opposite of Judaism. G-d doesn't become a man and no man becomes G-d. Oh, and the devil? Show me one place in Torah/ Tanakh or even what you call the OT where Sa'tan did other than what G-d allowed? Angels don't have free will. They aren't good or bad. They are messengers and do as told. Christianity adapted to paganism. It's all pagans understood. Man/gods no problem, human sacrifice for favors or forgiveness, no problem. Virgin births, no problem. Three figure god heads, no problem. NO ONE knows ALL G-d IS. Judaism states what G-d is NOT and it makes a hell of a lot more sense than anything I ever heard as a Christian.
The Bible is recorded human thought.
The god character the writers named Yahweh is a perfect description of a schizophrenic human primate with super powers
who can do no wrong.
Once you convince people that Yahweh is real you can use that belief to control them.
That analogy (and im someone who watches creepypastas and horror films) creeped me the fuck out! IT was well done.. I loved the show...and I can see how creeped and fucked up the story was.
We have to make religious people feel as though they need to apologize for being religious by making them ashamed to be religious
Just bought his book a day ago, now I just wait for it to arrive ❤
In the 'you don't have to go down to my basement' scenario, I wouldn't keep walking. I'd *run* to the nearest police station.
Another fantastic episode. Very much looking forward to reading Dan's book.
Preaching is like a drug. Having the complete attention of every one in the room. It's intoxicating.
My favorite preachers are The Hovinds, Ray Comfort, and Ken Ham.
Carefully chosen by Yahweh to deliver his holy words to Aron Rah.
Having the complete attention of everyone sounds like hell to me.
SPOT ON !
@@JamesRichardWiley HA HA
@@kellydalstok8900 ME TOO !
My town puts up a nativity scene every year at Christmas, they also put up a Christmas tree. At night the nativity scene has 3 floodlights shining on it and the Christmas tree has no lights at all, not even on the tree. The nativity is right up next to the road, the Christmas tree is back off in a corner.
We can feel better for those women and kids of Jericho knowing that archeologists have looked over Jericho with a fine tooth comb numerous times and have found no destruction, and whatever walls there were didn't fall. In particular, nobody was living there at the time indicated in the OT.
I grew up in an old style Methodist church. Beautiful! I miss looking at all the beauties, the fresh flowers and the candles. That is all I miss. Never ever liked to listen to the preacher or teacher. I would purposely zone out. I thought the Christian religion was terribly awful and frightening since I was 5. I remember because of an incident. I am not an atheist but hate Abrahamic religions. I got reasons. I believe one should believe what they want but keep it to yourself unless you are discussing it in a larger conversation as philosophy. Never push anything on others and keep religion out of government and schools. Tax the hell out of them. It would pay the national debt.
Since I was around 16 years old, I had been seeking peace of mind. I was raised (loosely) christian. Went to church, nothing said about it at home. It is interesting that the christian religion speaks of the "peace of God" as a "gift that surpasses all understanding." Ironically, I had to give up christianity altogether to find that peace. I made a conscious decision to set christianity aside and search for the truth. I found it. And never went back. Then I went back and saw Yeshua of Nazareth in a completely different way. I understand what he was on about. And it has little to do with what most learn in church.
This was fantastic.
Even if god exists, it matters not because we can gather knowledge only by thinking about what our five sense discover for us.
This proves we cannot ever know what god wants from and for us!
We can only know what priests want from us [and never what "the holy books" want from us]; which is obedience, money, adulation....
Haha! Love the analogy!
If you'd know just what Eph 4:18, "We fix our eyes not on what is is seen, but what is unseen" and 5:7, "We live by faith and not by sight" say, you'd know that the two verses command believers to spurn, hate, and reject knowledge.
The word "sight" means knowledge, but the scribes were cunning and lying enough to replace the words "our common human knowledge and facts" [by which we solely survived on this planet] with "wisdom" and which is foolishness in god's sight.
While some wisdom may be foolish; ie, not correct; knowledge and facts are never foolishness but very important for our survival, well-being, happiness, co-operations, sharing, etc.
9:45 I'm disappointed that I never noticed that connection as an ex-lutheran. A book of the bible literally going "HAH, you want a personal relationship with god without fallible human intermediaries? NO, YOU GET A SMITING!" _Why the FUCK didn't we ever mention this?!_ (#734 or so, I swear I find a new reason to exclaim this every time the bible is recited....)
edit: And it only gets better as the next group moves in "hey, why are you murdering thousands of your own people?" "HOW DARE YOU QUESTION MY METHODS YOU DIE TOO"
*HOW THE FUCK DID THESE PEOPLE EVER CONVINCE ME THIS CHARACTER WAS "GOOD"?!*
I Love Dan’s Work!!! 👍🏿👊🏽
Why? Could you give me 3 examples?
@@jessebryant9233 can you give us 3 reasons not to?
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So you're saying that, despite affirming Dan, you can't give me 3 reasons? I've only been waiting for... 3 years!
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@@jessebryant9233 the fact that you are trolling one is laughable.
Dan’s voice sounds so young ! I thought it was a young man talking at first
Dan, Just got your book, can't put it down. Thanks for the work you've done to make this. Rita is right, believers won't read it, because we already know but it doe's give us ammo. Now with the recent Paris and Brussels incidents, we need TV documentaries education in schools. We need Nuclear power to educate the world or terrorism will go on for centuries.
I'm made of stardust. Much better than a pissed off ghost. I'll take a monkey with a pleasant attitude over a pissed off Yahweh.
Me too. As Carl Sagan so eloquently said: "The nitrogen in our DNA, the calcium in our teeth, the iron in our blood, the carbon in our apple pies were made in the interiors of collapsing stars. We are made of starstuff.
The great thing about the Old testament and Moses not having any archaeological evidence is that all this bloodthirsty action actually never took place. It just serves as a fear Factor😊 for those who don't want to obey the person who thinks they are God. Jesus has hell instead of the bloodthirsty
great book
that Jeremiah verse13:22 grossed me out. God tells rape victims that it's their fault they were raped because of their iniquity.
You are dumb. That’s wasn’t referring to rape victims but is a metaphor to Jerusalem as a whole.
Fictional books tend to be filled with metaphors
Considering the amount of misogyny in the Bible, I do wish people would stop saying that a female slave is worth half a male slave counts as misogyny. Considering the work a slave would have to undertake, i.e. hard and brutal, the value was based on simple economics. Isn't the condoning of slavery enough to show God in a bad light in said passage?
Additionally, in a culture where all men would likely have to bear arms to protect their families, women who would not be expected to, or also less capable, would be considered less than a man who was able to bear arms. Also stop calling biological ignorance misogyny. The exclusion of women from so many aspects of society, and treating as property, is enough misogyny.
Too much of what we now call misogyny in the Bible was a cultural imperative for that society to survive. In today's world those practices are misogynistic. Not because they are inherently so, but because there is no requirement for those practices in today's culture.
Women have gained equality in our culture as physical strength, and the requirement to bear arms has become less expected of a man and intellect has become more significant. The ignorance and barbarity displayed in the Bible is more than enough to ridicule holding it up as an example of how to live ones life.
there was NEVER a requirement for that. it was only seen as moral.
are you also pro-slavery because it was required back then for distribution of blacks and Africans? we have progessed. we didn't just decide it was not required but it's immoral.
+Mario Pendic he is clearly saying that a female slave being valued less than a male slave was due to the amount of work they could do and its value and not misogyny. somehow you twisted his words to say he is pro slavery, when he condemned slavery in his comment.
L The Almighty Destroyer of Worlds and Bringer of Rectal Fissures except for the fact that females in Islam are worth less than a man. A slave is worth even less. women then were not seen as equal to men. And women were to obey the husband and husband could beat the wife with some restrictins. How in the hell is that not sexism?
Mario Pendic he wasn't saying that the bible isn't sexist, just that female slaves being worth less than male slaves wasn't due to sexism.
L The Almighty Destroyer of Worlds and Bringer of Rectal Fissures it was. Thats like saying slavery in the south wasn't due to racism. Of course it was. And because of that racism, the people were productive.
The Abrahamic god is like an abusive husband. Love and obey me or I will punish you.
EXCELLENT
Purpose in life is easy. Be good, correct wrong if you can. The rest you just make up as you go along.
I have heard Christians say (and I used to say this myself) "Jesus was a feminist and saw woman as equal"
"Look at how he treated the women he came into contact with, he treated them with respect" (these are paraphrased)
But if God is unchanging (as it says in the Bible) does that mean that god is still a misogynistic genocidal maniac that is okay with slavery?
Cause the Old Testament god and New Testament god seem to be different. NT god seems to be trying a different tactic to get humans to love them (god).
I don't mind the ads for NatureBox. But, when salivating, I keep thinking it's a shame we don't have NatureBox in the UK. We can't check it out - despite hearing about it every week.
Hi Mal
I think "Nature box" is branded as "Graze" in the UK.
Richard Savage I thought that was another company - as I saw a young lady do a comparison video on TH-cam of the two offerings.
+Mal from London Hi Mal. You might
be right.I was a Graze user for 2 years and the snacks Seth advertised were often different to the ones I got delivered.
Read "LETTERS FROM THE EARTH" by Mark Twain. It makes EVERYTHING so clear! LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
While their discussions are fascinating and worth listening to 42:00 seems to be when they start referring to the book itself.
U guys r appreciated. Thank u
Everyone appreciates those who tell them only what they wish to hear! [smh]
Hmmm…I had never heard the analogy of planning a vacation. Interesting perspective.
The most ficticious character in all unpleasantness
super clever! LOL
When I was growing up, I grew up Baptist. One thing we could not do was play with our friends that were Catholic. But at school we would. So go figure we still got a place and we just ladies can come over our house. I just don’t. I never got that as a kid because in my eyes as a child, they were people they just went to a different church.
The guy doesn't say "You don't have to go down into my basement....". He says he knows a guy who has a basement with torture equiptment, and he put his son down there, and you don't have to go into HIS basement. And this guy is invisible and communicates with you psychically but you're not listening.
Maybe God got real chill after becoming a dad. We all know you cant show your kid that you are a psychopath
Dan's book is great, but he misses one important adjective that was left out of his book. GOD IS ALSO A MURDERER, A FIRST DEGREE MURDERER. Now get back to reading the bible, and I'll give you a clue just where to find this. Genesis!!
He isn’t a murder if he is the author of life. Atheists annoy me so much
@@ellasmith6554 Did he not drown all the men, women and children? Ella you’ve got the wrong god.
@@ellasmith6554 Ella, if human beings who have different views than you bother you so much...why in the world would you troll their chats?
@@ellasmith6554 Ella, if a rapist gets someone pregnant...are they considered an author of life? But, at the same time...if the pregnant girl, who was raped, had an abortion...you would say she is committing murder. But your god cannot be a murderer for murdering every person on the planet, except for 8 people...and he is justified in doing so?
@@mrsmith735I think they’re trying to say that god can’t be a murderer because he created all of us, so he is allowed to do whatever he wants to us, including murder us, but it can’t be considered murder because he made us…I think I’m following their “logic”.
The craziest part of all this is that those extreme things never happened. Boogey-man scare myths. Morale tales for men.
I agree with Craig on the point "If it's fleeting then it has no value".
Sounds like in the Kórach story you definately didn't want to be one of god's "chosen people".
19:00 I felt the same way man
God scores 40 on Dr Robert
Hares phychopathy checklist. Its the maximum score.
How do you introduce this face of god to a christian country like the Philippines?
I was preaching and "winning souls" at 17. Played piano in church and for groups. Went to Biola University, a leading Christian liberal arts college {near Azusa Pacific.}. Bible major. Went on to be a youth pastor, street evangelist, worship leader. Still speak in tongues. {if I want}. I went to different Pentecostal churches, then more "charismatic" churches. LOLOL. My life paralleled Dan's.
+216trixie So are you an Atheist as well?
Old Man from Scene Twenty Four Yes. Back to atheism after about 12 years
+216trixie How do you speak in tongues? Is it a conscious action? Does your mind go blank and your emotions take over? Does the speech center of your brain go haywire and allow you to utter gibberish? PLEASE HELP ME UNDERSTAND! I am SO FRIGGIN CURIOUS, I've been raised around Pentecostal people my whole life, and have always been seriously weirded out by it, but never had the opportunity to ask a former christian about it! My Dad is a Pentecostal preacher and his whole body shakes when he speaks in tongues and it's just so BATSHIT CULTISHY CRAZY.
Cosmic Rogue After I was first "baptized in the holy spirit", maybe a year or two after I was saved, it took another six months or so before I started speaking in tongues. I must have spent that time subconsciously memorizing words others were doing in church, or my brain was coming up with it's own gibberish. One day, in prayer, I just started. I would sometimes get emotional, but not more than any other time praying or being in church. The very interesting thing is it's been about 25 years since I lost my faith. I can still speak in the same "language" if I want to. Proof there is no holy spirit I guess!...Don't feel anything. It's pretty silly. I never pull it out in front of anyone........Pentecostals are good at thriving on emotions.
216trixie Wow. Thanks for replying. I always wondered about the psychological implications- it is obviously a learned behavior. And the stress from needing to conform, of needing to prove your relationship with the "holy spirit", must push peoples brains into uttering this crazy false language. Fascinating, and also, slightly disturbing.
My two favourite athiest ❤
I didn't see ANNIE, but that's interesting music information.
Rita, Yeah we'll read it but we all know someone who is a believer, so word will get around. Thanks to Seth and Dan for this ammo. I knew from just Numbers 31 that god was mean and evil, now I have nukes to use to educate people, boy still a tough road to travel to educate Islam.
I can never understand why people who don't believe in god always attack him. If he doesn't exist why attack nothing.
I don't attack god. That would be as crazy as attacking Sauron or Voldemort. All fictional characters. I am attacking those fools who believe god is true.
I would agree
I graduate from Azusa Pacific University in 1990 with a degree in psychology
Speaking as a woman with an interest in evolutionary biology, sociobiology and anthropology, attributing the historical gender roles of men and women to simply "male sexism" seems not only simplistic but also incredibly lazy.
I thought so too...
Mr. Shives gave Seth some drugged kool-aid, damn it.
+disastergirl888
Of course God was a He. That's why everything is such a fucking mess.
+disastergirl888 I agree. Just as western cultures in the age of exploration dismissed foreign cultures as barbaric and having nothing to offer. So today's SJW culture is equally dismissive of the practices of past cultures because of their own ignorance, and yet simultaneously condemn western culture of its dismissive attitude to foreign cultures because we do not condone practices straight out of the Bible.
+disastergirl888 Thank you for saying so.
+5micky2 God is an "It".
As a non Christian even l have to admit that bizarre events have happened. The Bible has lots of contradictions but l think there might be entities that roam about unseen and occasionally show themselves. I just can't make sense of it.
I find it astonishing that Bible believers just conveniently disregard the passages of the Bible that portray God as very unpleasant! It is called cherry picking ?
We are taught to wear "god glasses" so to speak, and we are taught that God can do no wrong.
"God is good all the time, all the time god is good" is a phrase that is kind of said often and I feel brainwashes you in a sense to only see all that God does is good and moral (be it good or bad by our standards). I am not sure if this phrase is said in other church denominations.
Also there are a lot of apologetics that are weaved into it.
I am busy reading the Bible again and I can't believe I made excuses and accepted excuses for god.
Also in sermons, the pastor/minister, select certain verses and speak on those verses. As far as I can remember I don't recall sermons based on the more brutal verses and stories.
But there are a lot of fire and brim stone preachers out there.
@@amy_pieterse Amy Pieterse. You were given a brain to think with. You need to think for yourself and not just BELIEVE what is said from the pulpit. When I started to read the Bible ( Not with God Glasses ) I realised that the Bible was written by mortal authors, and all male authors, I might add. It's no wonder that the God of the Bible is distinctly of MALE gender. Get my point ?
@@richardwilliams473 I get your point. Reading the Bible made me an atheist.
@@richardwilliams473 - Correct, ... but you neglected to acknowledge what a pompous, egotistical, sadistic asshole the bible's god creature actually is. However, fear, guilt and denial of their own mortality causes 'blindness' to this reality and the ridiculous adherence to worship foolishly.
The Baptist church I grew up in South Dakota/Minnesota. We would do stuff with the Penecostal church in town because all the other churches were evil they didn’t have the true God true religion, so yeah I I totally get that. Stick it in time and shit. As I get out of that was crazy and even then I thought they were thinking it.
44:45 and yet I can't find any fault with Dawkins's list. If anything he was being far too nice. Regicidal and *omnicidal* should've been in there.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinion as long as they agree with me. Democracy at work.
I don't remember Hell in the Old Testament anywhere. I know there's a Hell in the Norse religion, she was the Goddess of the underworld.
I would agree, the destroyer
You can be an atheist and understand the meaning behind that "figure of speech" God. Zen Buddhism suspends judgement on the term while affirming the spritual foundation of the tangible, visible universe inside of us and out. We need not have "theism" mislead us or lead us away from the great I am of which we tangible, visible units are but a part.
Just because you have to leave a party eventually doesn't mean the party wasn't great.
in fact, christianity is horrible and hypocritical
God - The Most Unpleasant Character in All Fictionand Profeth Muhammed as1st runner up
+rob mieremet Tell that to the God you must be arguing for after he allowed to watch his son die so that you and I can live. Because even if it is a story anyone/thing that is willing to sacrifice themselves for others seems pretty loving. thanks for the comment though
+Supertracker007 //i am an atheist. antitheist if you will, so for me everithing about gods and profeths is unpleasant fiction. The fact that more that half the worlds population believes it is true does not make it true.wars have been and are fought over stupid books bij stupid people. That a son wants to die for a father is noble of course, but a omnipotent father who let his son die that way is a cruel maniak. Bye now.
+rob mieremet sure if you look at it in such a skewed way, but ultimately i see more philosophical reason for God than not
purposely avoiding science because its God not something science can study
+Supertracker007 well, i think god didnt go to sceinceclass either hahaha. i love philosophy, but why GOD, jesus there is enough to think about next to religeon
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+Supertracker007 But his supposed interactions with our natural world can't be detected? If you can't even prove his existence philosophically or by any other means, how do you expect others to believe it?
I wish you didn't have to support yourself shilling for NatureBox. However, I'm going to support you anyway by... shilling for NatureBox. I do not receive any consideration from NatureBox. I am a customer of NatureBox. My wife and I get 2 shipments a month. The snacks are often unusual, even strange, but everything has actually been surprisingly very delicious. Of all of the many dozens I have tried, only one did I dislike. The value factor isn't bad either, though it is more expensive than similar snacks purchased from "health food stores". It would be unfair to compare NatureBox value against the crappy snacks available from normal supermarkets.
+renegade4dio I'm not sure I understand. You heard about them. You use them. And while they're unusual, they're "surprisingly very delicious." You've only disliked one snack...ever. It's not a bad value. And you don't like their sponsorship of the show?
I've turned down more than a dozen other advertisers (and their money), because I felt they compromised the show, and/or I didn't feel like they were a good fit for me or the audience. But NatureBox has been something that I and my family have enjoyed, they weren't scared away by the "Atheist" in my show title, and they've helped me fund my work and pay a few bills.
There are a few quirks about them, as there are with almost any organization, but I just love 'em. Many thanks! -Seth
***** I'm sorry for not being clear. I wish you didn't need advertisers to make the ends meet and continue to produce your show for us. I also wish there were no religious people. Neither wish is remotely likely to be fulfilled. After that, you are quite correct. I was and continue to be perfectly happy with their product, and have nothing bad to say about them.
PS. I wish the first time you responded to me had been over something less banal than advertisers, but I'll take a response from Seth Andrews over anything as the highlight of my day. ;)
+renegade4dio I wish I could fucking eat Nature Box, they're still not in Europe. Cunts.
+renegade4dio the first time that he responded to me, it was about him sounding incredibly narcissistic and self-absorbed. lol.
but maybe its just his talent as speaker and experience as a radio host.
+renegade4dio Ah. Fair enough.
Reverse the looking glass. NatureBox and others are part of a single-sponsorship model for an hour-ish broadcast, meaning we're not stopping every 15 minutes to play a five-unit commercial break. Having the short promotion supports the show without derailing our conversations. Personally, I'm thankful that they're on-board.
All my best.
What should you expect from a volcano war god.
I like the " torture chamber in the basement " analogy. Anyone who has an ability to think critically would not believe in any craps religion is preaching. I got out at a young age and would never go back.
If God is omnipotent and knows everything, why do Catholics confess their sins to a priest so he can tell God, and assure they're repentant? ;] So in reality, their god knows nothing of the affairs of humanity. Lies like that [he knows all] are absurd!
The Priests were "spies" . They wrote everything down and used it to persecute the honest folk. They used the "confessional" as "KGB"in training . True story !
14:00 u r welcum
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