@Uncle Carmine congratulations! You proved OPs point! If you're this oblivious I'd get your license revoked before you harm more people than the church itself.
@Uncle Carmine oh cool, gaslighting. Hey, if there is a good god in this world let me tell ya, he's got you in the boiler room of hell. I'll see you there.
@Uncle Carmine is this what they teach you in church? Whenever someone disagrees with you you should belittle them? Tell us again why we should ever convert to what you believe if this is what you Do? You're one seriously sad and pathetic person, I wish you the best but you have issues.
@@SPL0869 Exactly. The point is that we should avoid making blanket statements about complex social phenomena. Thus, it is an obfuscation of no small magnitude to imply, as I'm afraid you do, that a capacity for hatred is a prerequisite for being a Christian. Instead, when evaluating something like Christianity, we should be guided -- in this, as in so many other things-- by the wisdom of Oscar Wilde: "The truth is rarely pure and never simple." And let me take this opportunity to recommend an excellent book which proves the complexity of evaluation the role of religion in American history: Mark Noll, "The Civil War as a Theological Crisis". Regards.
A few years ago, I had to visit the food bank in a local church. Before handing out the food, the pastor addressed us and made it clear that they had no intention of preaching to us or trying to convert us because what was important was helping the community regardless of their religious beliefs or lack there of. Even before he he led a quick prayer,he made it clear that we didn’t have to pray if we didn’t want to. That came out of genuine human compassion and not religion.
I've also had to get food from a church food pantry. I had to sit through a 30 min sermon and give my personal information so they can send me shit in the mail. Your experience is NOT the norm. Most churches don't just help you. It's all transactional
Met loads of Pastors like that & if you came to our Church just to help others and deal:with food Bank stuff I would have no intention of trying to convert you or evangelise you. It’s who you are and what you do that matters not whether you believe in God or not. Frankly I’d rather know an Atheist in many cases than some people who say they are Christians. People are people in the end. How we live, how we love and what we do matters more than if we believe or not.
@1daddyDA I am atheist ❤ I live in a town of less than 300 people, and there are 2 churches here. We have elderly and disabled here, and I have yet to see either church help anyone outside thier congregation. I'm extra sad because I would love to help out with something like that and get to know my neighbors more.
@@cannabotany Yup. My furnace died and I am elderly. I called the local Catholic Church to see if they knew who could help me and the priest wouldn’t even take my call.
This is disturbing on so many levels. I’m a bisexual man. I’m a brother, son, a friend and uncle, a grandson and a US Veteran. But above all, I’m a good kind hearted pure and loving human being that would never hurt anybody. To listen to these people that filled with anger, and hate because somebody loves differently is nothing short of evil. But then again the god that they worship creates evil( Isaiah 45:7 KJV ) and is in fact a narcissistic sociopath himself, so this doesn’t surprise me, but it still hurts. And its sad that in 2022 people like this are molding young minds.
At some point,one of those hate preachers says that *they're* monsters (homosexuals) but to anyone listening it's obvious that those hate preachers are the ones who are monsters. Part of me wanted to snort at them, roll my eyes and say 'yeah, right', but another part of me is shocked that people with that much brain damage are allowed to be free in the streets.
*"...the god that they worship creates evil* (some versions say "CALAMITY" as if THAT's BETTER‽ Isaiah 45:7 KJV ) *and is, in fact a narcissistic sociopath himself..."* ‽‽ Mr. Neeson: I could NOT have said it *BETTER* myself! THANKS! US Army Vet. Med Inst. (1966-68) one of US Sec. State's McNamara's 100,000 Morons!! (I.Q.
@DrumWild *Here's THE 'answer'!!* GODLESS BLESSINGS Christian Believers have a built-in residual circular sinful nature that perpetually needs to be humble, repentant, and forgiven of SIN! (1 Jn 1:9)! But does this mean such Christians no longer sin? Are WE perfect? Of course, we are, *BUT, ONLY IN God's eyes* through *Christ's view of us by HIS blood and sacrifice God his Father MADE Him give for us.* Even the apostle, Paul, *still struggled* with sin. And; so, he convinced himself not to "see" any more of his sinful nature just as God didn't; Paul was justified -- just-as-if-he had not sinned --- by his Faith in God's Word! Did Paul still sin? Of course, he did. Was Paul perfect? No, ONLY Jesus IS perfect! OK, then, Paul considers himself saved whether he "SINS" or NOT! (Romans 7:15-19) A Follower-in-Christ still holds a sinful nature. But that sinful nature that *was* previously *reigning* no longer reigns. It only *remains(?)* . *And, now, the Holy Ghost (spirit) reigns,* and *enables* them to do *many good works.* And, the wonderful thing is that believers know that the sins they still commit have already been paid for by Jesus. This knowledge then spurs them on to do even more good works! *This proves they're a christian!* Instead of giving people the license to sin, *God's complete and total forgiveness frees them from fear* of condemnation /Hell and gives them the liberty to joyfully and eagerly do good. (WHILE ANY occurring “future” SIN is by accident and/or weakness!) IS THIS WHY MANY *CHRISTIANS SUFFER EXTREME COGNITIVE DISSONANCE;* AND, may Destroy THEMSELVES because they don't completely understand God's "insurance" of salvation? However, though, *remember,:* 1 Cor. 10:13(!); gives ALL of those who are *spirit filled* an indisputable way out of sinning *if* your *conscience is now working* to see it. *However,...* has this now become *THE new UNFORGIVABLE sin?!*
I'm hearing these preachers calling for the government to operate from religious text. Same thing we point out as wrong with Islamic countries. The mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance is wild.
It's the same thing THEY point out as wrong with Islamic countries - remember all the hysteria about Sharia Law? Now the agenda is you can't teach anything in school that might conflict with the right wing fundamentalist brainwashing I'm giving them at home.
They want an USghanistan - with christian Imams leading the country, with christian shariah law, with restrictions of the rights of women - and even with rifle-armed militias roaming the streets, like the taliban fighters with their AK-47s.
They’re doing the same thing the Romans did with their concept of mixing American nationalism with Christianity which consists of ideas of you can’t acknowledge any flaws the United States has, merging Christianity with state government, and any criticism of the Founding Fathers is off limits. On top of that, their worship of Donald Trump! The fact that they demand the absolute worship of the state and look at Donald Trump along with the founding fathers as if they’re these gods sort of reminds me of the Roman Imperial Cult!
I worked as a corrections officer. Inmates would adopt a religion that provided kosher food because it was of a better and more varied quality. They became Muslim because they could hide drugs in their copy of the Koran, knowing we couldn't touch the book. They made it work for them, just like the grifters making fortunes on the outside.
@@Rob-fc9wg it was considered holy and out of bounds, if you did they kicked up such a fuss, I suppose it was easier for those in charge to deem it out of bounds. If you did find drugs, you made a big fuss then relented and let them keep it, they thought you were a good guy and would return the favour, watch your back, provide Information. From our point of view depending on the drug it made them mellow, less aggressive. They were happy, we were happy, have a nice day 🙂
@@skullduggerysmiles8393 Tell them they lost their religious freedom after they violated other's freedoms. Any religious freedom they get in prison is a privelege or courtesy goodwill, not a right.
@@Ascend777I'm afraid that's not how it works, they are incarcerated as punishment, they aren't sentenced to punishment once inside. I found that having a little respect gained respect and everything worked more smoothly.
Well unfortunately that would violate the 1st ammendment. What we need to do is keep spreading the truth and waking people up from religious indoctrination & get them thinking for themselves & logically. Then people won't be gullible enough to fall for this dogma. It will take time, but it's the right way to do it.
When I was in boot camp in the Navy, I had an LPO that always said, " America is a free country" say or do anything you want, but stand by for the consequences.
The Satanist addressing the Idaho legislature missed a golden opportunity to answer "Is there any tenet with respect to blood/human sacrifice?" "No Representative, you're thinking of Christianity."
She would have been right, but she was being careful to not attack their beliefs. I respect the choice, but I kind of wish she'd have been more snarky.
The whole unironic participation in ritual cannibalism doesn't really dawn on you until you take the God goggles off and get out of it for a bit. But once it does dawn on you, it's impossible to unsee it.
EXACTLY!!! the entire christian mythology is founded on brutal, unnecessary human meat sacrifice and blood sacrifice magic. Not to mention the largest sects of Christianity indulge in ritualistic and symbolic cannibalism.
Another thing I don't understand is why Greg Locke had no problem appealing to the same off-the-wall fears that plagued Salem, Massachusetts in the autumn of '692. Even if it was because Locke was so vain and arrogant that he flies into a rage whenever anyone challenges his authority or does anything to keep him out of power. Megalomania describes Locke mildly.
It's not all Christians, there's growing pushback against these people, trust me... Most of the Christians I've personally met disavow these right wing "hate pastors" and hold the utmost contempt for them...
@@davidallamericananarchist9220 I think its deeper than that. The whole philosophy about BOTH Heaven and Hell is I think a bit of psycho. How could any "true" follower of Christ live a single day in heavenly paradise knowing a one of their fellow human beings must suffer an eternity of torment in Hell for, relatively speaking, trifling sins committed on earth. As someone raised Evangelical, for me to square that circle, and come to terms with that, was to understand the historical and political context in which those concepts arose in Medieval times. These tools were used by the "divine" kings and feudal "lords" to exert mind control over their peasants and serfs...by terrorizing them with the fear of eternal punishment for nonallegience to authority, and greed for an eternal reward for unquestioning service to authority...conveniently AFTER death of course. That fear and anticipated avarice (along with learned helplessness and ignorance) are I believe the fundamental part of the modern Christian mindset. Many are good people, and those feelings are understandably mixed with some shame and guilt...but this is then often misdirected back into a self affirming destructive cycle of powerlessness...and when the dam bursts from time to time... lashing out at people different than them.
Would love to see more collaborations between you two. You're both excellent thinkers and - dare I say it - when you work together, it's almost magically good!
I had a great retort while talking to a theist about perception. Theist: You’re just judging god from a human perspective. Me: I can ONLY judge god from a human perspective!
Perhaps what is most upsetting/concerning about these angry, lying charlatans is the presence of INNOCENT CHILDREN forced to listen to this evil garbage. It should concern all of us, as these children will one day be leaders in government, business, education, etc.
Why aren't Locke's and the Andersonite Baptists' sermons being looked at as acts of stochastic terrorism? Why haven't more people figured them out as the stochastic Al-Qaeda they practically are?
They are causing real social problems. I had a bus driver who used to preach to me every day on the bus,and showed favoritism to her fellow Christian passengers. I had to call her supervisor repeatedly. She told me to stop calling her supervisor! They are starting public open disputes, and they have been along time.
As a Transit Driver myself, I go out of my way to stop such open discussions on my route vehicle. It creates a captive audience that does not always agree with them. That and the fools who blindly follow the orange ogre as such a great president...
@@HappyGoLucky-tr8bo Yes, public transit. It went on for so long I became furious and called her supervisor screaming that you don't have to be a Christian to ride the bus- you can be Jewish, a Muslim, a Buddhist, an atheist, etc. This Christian Nationalist movement tries to take over public spaces anywhere and everywhere someone is willing to listen. Not to long ago in a public park a total stranger was bragging about how Israel had just attacked the Muslims- I told him, "you're ALL terrorists."
@@ivanivonovich9863 Thank you. Yes, that describes the situation exactly- a captive audience by the bus driver no less, who can't disagree without causing a public disturbance. I eventually bought head phones and tried to listen to the radio. It was a problem because I was taking the bus to work every day and using that time to plan my day and whatever else needed planning and there she was carrying on about nothing that would benefit me whatsoever. She really tried to pretend to be my friend- went to a Renaissance Fair with me and everything (which she said was "satanic") all so she could "convert" me and maintain her "leadership status in her church. Really sickening social problems.
What a wonderful discussion between these two gentlemen. I spent over 30 years in fundamentalist churches, but found more progressive loving churches, that follow Jesus' teaching. I so appreciate how you don't lump all Christians together. I'm APPALLED by some of these fundamentalists. So reminds me of Muslim jihadist. They're taking their people down a very dark road.
I am very much a theist but I could watch you two all day long. Faith is a very personal thing and does not belong in government. The hate in The Church is driving people of good conscience away in droves
Greg Locke is definitely the most hateful preacher I've ever seen. He should be arrested for threatening others. I love what the friendly atheist said about these Christian apologetics-that it's turned into a giant game of 'heads I win, tails you lose'.
It's disgusting, but at the same time fascinating. The church I grew up in was just as bigoted, hateful, and two faced, but they actually took great pains to try to appear at least surface level reasonable. And this was a pretty ugly group (church of christ) It's just amazing that the so called champions of love have completely tossed the mask.
@@blackc1479 The preacher at the church I grew up at was calm and laid back, it took me years to realize that a loving God wouldn't allow such evil to exist. I told some girl on Reddit (or whatever) that the Old Testament (especially) was 'love me or else!', like an abusive husband, and she was completely taken back. I had to explain more clearly what I meant- I never heard back but hopefully it started making her think.
@@starpenta yeah, dead on w that. Never thought of it in those terms, but it totally works. Might explain why the most poisonous fundies love the OT. Just fits that narrow, insecure hateful mindset.
This why the rest of the world rejects the version of religion the emanates from bible belt America. Thankfully the world is becoming secular and will be a better place for it.
As someone who (sadly) lives in the Buy-bull belt, I would be deeply appreciative if we could get a move-on with the growing secular thing. I'm embarrassed that I share a state with Greg Locke, and my particular neck of the woods is still deeply religious. I honestly don't know how many other atheists are around here, but I'm feeling pretty odd-man-out; I listen to Godless Engineer, Godless Granny, Scathing Atheist, Suris, Genetically Modified Skeptic, Aron Ra, and Seth here, just to remind myself that not all of us below the Manson-Nixon line are foaming at the mouth fundies like these hate preachers. Yeah, I know Aron and Drew are in Texas, and Seth is in Oklahoma, but it still carries over.
@@necrosunderground You have my sympathies, I live in England and I don't personally know of any evangelical christians. To some extent the Bible Belt fascinates me and would love to visit, I'm sure I would be horrified at the levels of indoctrination that it would appear they practice. From here it looks like their main goal is (as it's always has been) money and control of gullible people. As I said the world is becoming secular, pretty well most of Europe is, with a few exceptions like parts of Italy. I understand the part religion plays and here we are blessed with some wonderful church buildings and architecture but it shouldn't control peoples lives to the extent that they feel obligated to threaten others that don't toe the line. That's disgusting.
@@ramptonarsecandle I've said it elsewhere, but I stand by it: the area of the country where I live is absolutely beautiful, the people, not so much. I'd say it's equal parts control and keeping the money rolling in. These hate preachers are practically flaunting their tax exempt status while playing hopscotch with the line between church and state; they have a frightening amount of say in what gets taught in schools (I recommend watching some of Aron Ra's videos addressing text book selection in Texas). You see it in the way a substantial number of politicians are using their religious beliefs to shape policy. I know that there's been a noticable decline in church attendance, with a subsequent rise in people identifying as non religious and/or atheist, and a lot of these fundies don't get (or don't care) that their behavior is what's turning people off. But there are still enough of them that are perfectly happy with letting their bigotry flow, as long as they can cloak it in the guise of faith.
@@ramptonarsecandle : I wish we had these ranting hate-preachers in Britland. It would become a national sport to mass gatecrash their services dressed for a Rammstein concert. (btw: I used to know a Fred Arsecandle. Any relation?)
So, that guy had the audacity to openly lie to his audience, spreading hate to specific members of his community who did nothing wrong for absolutely no reason... This is a genuine horror show.
Let's stay vigilant, as these regressive throw-backs of centuries-gone-by attempt to brainwash kids and infiltrate all aspects of society. They are openly declaring war on all of free, secular society.
Guessing you're talking about Locke? If so, I was kinda surprised too, from a purely machivellian point of view (which I'm assuming he's using) He's using up a couple of his witch cards, but I guess he could always conjure up more. Plus he's opening himself up to their rebuttal, and other on the fence types to wonder if he's right. I figured he'd let the secret witches be, so he could still have that general leverage to use against the whole congregation. (Never mind the contradiction of "we all hate the witches, but I'm not going to tell you who they are"). Logic was never invited to that party.
Check out Telltale’s video on this. He goes into detail on the story. Doesn’t seem like the “witches” were great people either, but they definitely don’t deserve to be put in danger either.
There's nothing respectable about the Andersonite Baptists' idea of "hard preaching" if it involves getting people like me framed for crimes like date rape or kidnapping murder of a child. But then again, the Andersonite Baptists are probably the cowards who won't put their money where there mouth is, because they know they'd get pinched for knowingly filing a false police report if they tried to abuse the prosecutorial system's power which isn't even theirs.
So glad Hemant pointed out that exposing these guys is important. The scariest thing about them is that millions of mainstream Christians are like half a doctrinal shift away from being these guys and they don’t even know it. I listened to Shirley Roper-Phelps outline her theology, and it was fucking scary, because it was NO DIFFERENT from the theology I was raised with. And my dad wants to think he’s nothing like the Phelps family when he’s literally different from them only by degrees.
Gents, thank you for this awesome content. You guys are changing lives. History tells us that most of these pastors who are preaching hate against homosexual are wrestling with those tendencies themselves.
Yes, they're (the commentators here) heaping up judgment from God against themselves come Judgment Day. If only they loved God as much as they love the sound of their own voices.
In medieval England, there used to be something called the "neck verse": a Bible passage that, if you could quote it accurately, allowed a criminal to escape the hangman's noose. It's frightening to see it rearing its ugly head in the 21st century.
Very important video. Thank you for it. People like these need to be exposed more often. The scary thing is their congregations are taking these hateful teachings outside the church walls and applying them to their daily dealings with people and thinking it’s ok. 😑
"Woe unto those who call good evil and call evil good." (Isaiah 5:20) This world loves sin and hates righteousness. They call sin good and righteousness evil.
I live in Scotland. I have been to over 40 evangelical churches and the pastors are the friendliest loving people I have ever met. This is so removed from my experience of Church. And they make a big deal over Scotland being known as "the land of the book." I think our hate preachers must have emigrated to America in the 18th century or something.
I appreciate that you guys talked about the fact that these extremist believers want the negative attention from others on platforms like TH-cam. It's one of the most difficult issues we deal with. We want people to know that this kind of thinking exists, but we also know that by showing these extremists to others, they will gain some followers and get a little bit of sympathy for being "picked on."
It's very difficult to expose monsters like these preachers without showing what they are saying and doing, but we have to trust that any positive benefit they might receive from their message being share is far outweighed by the negative publicity they get. It may seem like they are benefiting from the exposure, but it will ultimately be their downfall as more and more good people see how they are and work against them.
Why do Christian, Jewish, and Muslim preachers preach hatred in the name of love? …I mean, mirrors, neighbors, and internet should have kept them in check. What went wrong with these haters?
I went to one of those steadfast protests before they moved. We were smiling and waving, most of the adults looked like they hated us, but some of the wives smiled and waved when nobody was looking. A lot of the kids looked like they wanted to run away from their families. It was honestly sad.
I talk to Christians a lot about the hate preachers within their religion, and what really bothers me as much as the hate spewed by these preachers is the utter silence from them when it comes to denouncing these horrible representations of Christianity. People don’t realize how fast these hate churches are growing. We have a major problem with Christian’s not keeping their own in check. The filth these pastors are preaching to children is shocking!
"Woe unto those who call good evil and evil good." (Isaiah 5:20) Sin is still sin no matter how many lies people tell themselves in order to justify their sin and justify staying stuck in it. "To know God is to hate evil." (Bible) God hates sin. There is no sin in Heaven where God is. "Do not marvel that I say you must be born again." (John 3:7) We must let go of sin and cling to Jesus Christ. If we refuse to do that there is no hope for us. Eternal damnation awaits every human who refuses to turn away from All sin. "For wide is the road and easy is the way that leads to destruction and many enter in. But narrow is the road and difficult is the way that leads to eternal life, and only a few find it." (Matthew 7:13-14)
It's difficult to cure this level of delusional hatred, but the only way I know to oppose it is by choosing to love, and respect, and communicate with people we disagree with. If we cannot recognize the humanity in people we do not understand, then we will lose the humanity within ourselves. These preachers are a prime example of that result. I hope you all have a wonderful day☺
I just want to say that you two gentlemen are fantastic. You’ve helped me become much more a critical thinker and get out of the religion that I used to be in. I just want to thank you
Oh Satan thank you for blinding me further from truth, for getting me one step closer to Hades. "The natural man can't understand spiritual things for they are nonsense to him." (Bible)
Seth Andrews and Hermant Mehta, Greetings from Oaxaca Mexico. Back in the Early 2000's in Catholic Chat we had several of these rather angry hateful sorts. When discussing 'love your enemies', I noticed that he qualified it so much that he was actually describing hatred rather than love. Just another drop in the Atheist bucket All the best, I love both your channels and 2 together Oo La La. JIM, Oaxaca
Believe me, you won’t miss a thing and will be better off for it. It’s like preachers have discovered the key to charlatan/scamming at its best. You don’t need to be a Bible scholar or have an education. You get protection from the GOP, regardless of what your scam is, and if your scam is registered, you pay no taxes! What a sweet deal they have.
Sometimes I wonder who's _really_ influencing who: did religion make them a bigot or are they using it as a cover for their bigotry, or what ratio of both? I remember when Jimmy and Thomas covered the Pulse Nightclub shooting in Florida several years ago, and those were some of the most vile preachers I've ever heard. What moderates really need to contemplate over is that there is no mechanism in religion of actually correcting this atrocious ideology; you're citing the same book with no actual fact to nail down, and clearly God isn't going to settle the argument himself.
In my experience it's a bit of both. If you consider how the Bible's commandments related to divorce and not remarrying after divorce, you can easily see signs of hypocrisy. They latch onto their pet offenses and rhe blood of Jesus covers everything they want it to. But you'll also meet people who don't seem to harbor any grudges against lgbt+ individuals but "the bible tells me so"
People gravitate to the parts of the Bible that most appeals to them. I highly doubt that someone like Locke was a kind "gentle soul" before he found religion.
Yeah, I don't think you can easily separate the two. And factor in that the more extreme your views are, the more you push them. So the very bigoted want everybody to be that way, and are willing to push with any tool available. And religion happens to be a very handy tool. As to self regulating, I wouldn't even know where to start on that. I guess the big paradox is that the more accepting Christians aren't exactly keen on crusading against those that they maybe don't agree with.
@@blackc1479 I suspect that moderates know on some level that there's no rational argument they can make against the extremists that doesn't also implicate their own brand to some degree. All they have are appeals to authority and emotion using the same source material.
Imagine how terrified the children of these preachers must be. To know that your parent would kill you for disobedience is horrifying. They must dismiss their own thoughts and quash any doubts just to survive.
I’d like to see a deeper conversation about the utility of highlighting preachers like this. I know when I was a believer, I’d see people point to Westboro Baptist Church, and it would cause me to roll my eyes, say “my preacher isn’t like that,” and become further entrenched in my belief system. On the other hand, these people do exist, and I don’t necessarily think they should be completely ignored. I believe there’s a balance to be had here, but we too rarely have the conversation about where that balance should be in the first place.
The balance was set forth by the founding fathers and the separation of church and state: "The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscoence be in any manner, or on any pretext, infringed." James Madison speech before Congress upon delivering the Bill of Rights. "Be it enacted by the General Assembly that no man shall be compelled to frequent or support ANY religious worship, place or ministry WHATSOEVER, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in their bodies or goods." Thomas Jefferson's The Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom. "The United States is in no sense founded on the Christian religion." John Adams Treaty of Tripoli. "Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that legislative powers of the government reach actions only, and not opinion, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation of church and state." Thomas Jefferson's Letter to Danbury Baptist Association, 1/1/1802.
"Woe be unto the pharisees. For they do not enter in, and they prevent others from entering in." (Jesus - Bible) That's what happened to you. Stop listening to them, and start listening to Jesus. "Seek the Lord while He may be found. Call upon Him while He is near." (Isaiah 55) "Draw near to God and He will draw near to you." (James - Bible)
It's interesting that the councilman that asked if Satanists believe in blood sacrifice prefaced it with admitting he had preconceived notions about satanism. I hope that self awareness was followed up on.
Even modern day theistic Satanists do not engage in blood sacrifice of humans. It's not seen as very useful . Nobody wants to end up in prison where you can't freely practice your faith to take some dross off the planet who, given time will do worse to the self. What comes around goes around. Just get out if the way! Stop enabling them.
When Seth mentions his worship pastor best friend, I flashed to a comment Hitch made at a FODI talk, paraphrased: "...what you're describing and praising, as far as I know justly, is precisely the extent that which he doesn't resemble really a religious person." The pastor must be a Humanist. ;)
The "Mission" Homeless Shelter where I live (NC) requires that participants living in the shelter attend a church (walking distance) on Sunday and bring back a form, given to them to take to church and have the form signed by the pastor or a deacon in order to continue to be a resident of the shelter ( they get a bed, showers, laundry, food, medical and " counseling ?" and I think set up with social services and other assistance. They do good work in the community but I don't understand how they get away with the religious requirement ?
Thinking Atheist and Friendly Atheist, Seth and Hemant! I know you don't want to be heroes. But please keep in mind, while nothing you do causes hate, it could be a random post from either of you that prevents some lost person from killing her/his children or self out of fear of Satan or what have you, because of their fear these preachers! You are very much heroes!👍🥰💖✌
25:09 preacher says -- "you're never welcome, go away. I just can't wait until you just go to Hell!"......is that Love or is that Love? Oh yeah, that is christian love.... What ever happened to "Judge NOT lest ye be judged"??? They only follow things they like. Hypocrisy if a side effect of belief in gods.
For me the video started with an ad of some "Evangelize Israel" ministry. Took me a while to realize that this was not intended to exemplify your point... 😅
I'm a Canadian and was raised in a secular home. My parents simply never mentioned god as my sister and I grew up (allegedly, in my case...). When we were old enough to be curious why some of our friends had to go to church every Sunday (or more often, some catholics pray 5 times a day, strange no one ever freaks out about that like they do the muslims...) and asked questions about religion, our parents basically said, and I'm paraphrasing liberally, but the meaning was there: "when you're old enough to warp your mind with booze, you can go see if you want to warp your mind with that stuff too..." So I'm as puzzled as those who know me as a radical atheist about why I'm obsessed, and that's the word for sure, with why christians, in particular because of geography, believe what they do? I watch Paulogia, Genetically Modified Skeptic, Bart D. Erhman's lectures, Telltale, Jimmy Snow aka Mr. Atheist, Gutsick Gibbon, the Atheist Experience (I would really love to shake Matt Dillahunty's hand!), Shannon Q, Aron Ra, Viced Rhino, and Rationality Rules. And I know I'm forgetting one or two. All this in a effort to understand why seemingly intelligent people argue that, as an example, sound vibration allows a 500-year-old man to move big logs to build a boat that could not possibly have been big enough to account for all the animals to survive a flood that could never have happened? It just fascinates me for reasons I can't pin down. Okay, sure, listening to Ken Ham or Kent Hovind espouse their beliefs with a straight face is good for a laugh. I gotta have something, as it's been so long since there was anything new from Monty Python. That accounts for some of it. And as a queer person, I'm interested in shows like this because hate-mongering crosses borders and knowledge is power. There is more fear when the enemy is unknown. My graduate degrees are in environmental science, which is heavy on biology, so watching Gutsick Gibbon and Aron Ra, among others, to shore up my understanding of evolution is interesting to me on it's own. But why do I care about the gospel of Paul and St. Thecla, as I learned about from Paulogia today? Or why Mormons believe crazy shit made up by a convicted conman? Or whether or not JWs kids can have friends in school? I can only conclude, as you lot already have, that I'm just kinda weird.
I seem to have the same obsession to understand why people believe (or disbelieve) the things they do. I like listening to both converts and deconverts testimonies of all different religions and non theisms. I made the mistake once of mentioning to my fundamentalist friend that there existed on TH-cam people who believe in flat earth, I was amazed that they even existed. Unfortunately he too was amazed but now he is a flat earther after watching the videos. It seems he thinks it's part of the proof of god. The conspiracy fits his beliefs I suppose, it somehow supports his preconceived claims. The same with the flood, their "evidences" adds a tangibility to their beliefs, as wacky as it gets. Even I tried out Mormonism, I was disillusioned from trying all the different Christian churches. The Mormons seemed nice folks and their beliefs were understandable for my religiously minded self. My main issue I couldn't get around their belief that tithing was required. Definitely all religion is a con game. But it's amazing so much of the world falls for it all.
@@elizabethwarman9028 Well, if it was so ground-breaking, why publish it as a populist book and not in scientific journals? Is it because real, respected geologists don't agree? I mean, maybe I'm wrong, maybe they did publish. Admittedly, I didn't look too closely and this is an assumption. I make that assumption because if it was published in a geophysics journal, it would have made all the papers as one of the greatest discoveries of that field, since it would be the one piece of verifiable truth in the whole bible! Well, aside from some occasionally accurate historical references. But even if it is true, so what? The bible clearly says the whole of the Earth was flooded, not just a small lowland area of it, does it not? So it doesn't really mean anything, scripturally, does it? And even it were enough to flood the whole Earth, what does that say about god, since the only people who had access to his teachings were in that small area? The First Nations of the Americas, the Chinese and other east Asians, the tribes of Europe, and all the rest were simply damned for not being born in the right place? That doesn't say much for the morality of the christian god. So, even if somehow his existence were proved, why would I worship such a monster? None of the brutal rulers of the 20th century, the rightly reviled Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and so on, killed as many people as that would have, yet god is somehow righteous and moral when he does? That makes no sense. Either killing is right or wrong, it's not relative to who does it, absent of any arguable justification such as self-defense. Those who support the death penalty at least have retribution and deterrence as an argument; but since god decided who got to receive his word and where souls were placed on the Earth, what argument does he have? He felt like it? That's about all I can come up with, so he's hardly worthy of reverence in my estimation, whether he's real or not...
"The mind of the flesh is death, sense and reason apart from the knowledge of God." (Romans 6) "Casting down arguments, reasonings, and every haughty thing that exalts itself against the true knowledge of God. Taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ." (2 Corinthians 10:3-5) Satan has been using the same trick since the beginning because it still works. "Hath God said?" (Genesis 3) There's the downfall. What you think, debate, believe, is what you become. People get talked into any and everything by what, by listening, watching, partaking, debating, etc. Christians believe Jesus, they believe God, they believe the Bible. We have every right to do that. And we will. If we don't we're not really Christians. "Come to Me as a little child (simple childlike faith) or you shall by no means enter the Kingdom of God." (Matthew 18)
Indeed! And more specifically: the Old Testament in multiple places states that drinking BLOOD is "abhorrent to Lord!" It's one of the big NO-NOs!!! Yet drinking blood becomes the centerpiece of Christianity's most important Rite? Something that is clearly said to be something the LORD abhors?? I guess "the LORD" changed his mind?
Thank God I was brought up with a modest religious upbringing, going to Catholic church once a week. Never had any Bible verses drilled into my head, never picketed in the streets, sermon was usually a message of peace and love. Stopped going when I was 13 when i critically evaluated it for myself and just stopped believing. Who knows how brainwashed and hateful I might have become if I had been brought up in one of the more extreme sects. The Catholic church has done pretty horrific things, especially here in Canada, so I'm not defending it. But at least I wasn't brainwashed by a goon like Anderson
Yeah I went to Catholic school. Got called a demon for being left handed and had it slammed constantly by penguins. And of course? There is what three of their degenerate priests did to me all night in the rectory.
@@jaggerjards7236 I don't care if you believe it or not. Your opinion is no matter to me. I went to catholic school in early 60's. Much different then than catholic schools are today.
It was a really interesting chat, mostly I catch Hemant doing his bible reading videos or on the FA podcast, so it's nice to see him relaxed and smiling.
Thanks to you & Hemant Mehta for keeping our attention on this pernicious issue. I really appreciate both of your efforts and hope we can find charitable solutions, soon.
Good to hear Mehta at least mention that these kinds of attitudes/preaching are not just limited to "bad white guys" but are probably equally present in hispanic/latino/Spanish-language "churches."
I read theories that prehistoric humans didn't recognise their own inner speech and attributed it to outside agency, hence animism arose as a precursor of religion. I suspect there are a significant number of modern humans who are similarly primitive in their cognition and often attribute voices in their heads to their chosen diety. I'm on the spectrum so I don't put anything past "normies", I'm just glad at least some of you are rational.
Hopefully at some point in your life you'll become desperate enough to call on God about something. And if and when He answers you the answer will be so profound you will know beyond any doubts that you did hear from God. People don't get it. God is Sovereign and is under no obligation to prove Himself to Humanity. People do the same thing to God that they do to people. Today people are guilty until proven innocent. And they want God to prove He's who He says He is. It's amazing how people want and expect others to believe everything they say, and they get mad when people accuse them of lieing. But they think God Himself doesn't have that kind of integrity. The Bible says that "God is incapable of lieing."
That's quite a handy tactic, to remove anyone from your organisation by just calling them a witch. Didnt i read about that happening in Salem Mass. --- What a creep, and shame on the audience for not calling him out on his crap.
28:10 "They are predators, they are bullies, they are forcing their ways on you so put them to death." As-fucking-if killing people is not hunting people down (like a predator), treating them like shit (like a bully) and using the fear of being killed is not forcing one's way onto someone... the cognitive dissonance is unreal. Edit: I only watched the first few seconds of that clip, holy shit it gets worse. This shit is why i left the faith, how can you "love thy neighbor" and "treat others the way you want to be treated" and say shit like this!?
The sins of people has nothing to do with who God is, or who Jesus is. God is pure, holy, perfect, sinless. So is Jesus. Forget about them and focus on Him. "Draw near to God and He will draw near to you." (James - Bible)
I am a person of faith. I appreciate you calling out the haters that stand in opposition to the true love of God. I think the only thing we disagree on is the existence of God, and I am more than fine with that. I respect your beliefs and I thank you for being respectful of mine. Keep up the good work!
"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and holding a cross." This quote has been around for awhile, but it's only been in the last few weeks that I've started thinking that it might be too late and that we are already there.
A lie is still a lie even if the whole world believes it's true. And truth is still true even if the whole world believes it's a lie. All sin is evil even if the whole world denies it. God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are Sovereign, Holy, perfect, flawless, and all that is pure. Therefore having all possession of all perfection, They alone can decree what sin is and is not. "Do not be deceived! For neither fornicators, nor adulterers, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor drunkards, nor murderers, nor swindlers, nor extortioners, nor idolaters, nor the covetous, these shall not inherit the Kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 6:9) Unbelievers are idolaters.
I love this guest of yours I watched his TH-cam clips on Genesis and Leviticus and when you hear the Bible read that way nobody should stay religious after that
@@Venator631 I don't know if I read comments on this I never got to speak or watch atheist speak until just recently when I retired for the longest time I really thought I was alone in the world and thought everybody was nuts so yeah tell me about it
_"Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?"_ Henry II ; Set the stage, ask the question & walk away. ('keeps the king's hands nice & clean of blood...)
We are told that the Buddha once said, 'Hatred is never appeased by hatred in this world. By non-hatred alone is hatred appeased. This is a law eternal'. (The Dhammapada) I sincerely hope that these people have ease in their lives, that they find happiness, they know kindness, they feel loved, they feel safe and they aquire wisdom. That way they will never hate 🙏☸️
Yeah I agree. If you look at the Bill of Rights in comparison to the Ten Commandments you'll find that the First Ammendment is the exact antithesis of the First Commandment
Those who oppose abortion say that life begins at fertilization. The reality is that what fertilization initiates is an evolution that in the first stages is a division and accumulation of cells (living cells are lost every day, ovules every month, like spermatozoa): at 24 hours the fertilized egg is a zygote, in 5 days several identical cells are formed forming a blastocyst; in the 2nd week the embryo is formed, at 3 weeks that embryo is the size of a grape seed, at 4 weeks the embryo is indistinguishable from the embryo of a piglet, at 11 weeks is when many miscarriages occur, the embryo develops into a fetus measuring 10 cm (the size of a lipstick) at 12 weeks. At what point can the product of fertilization be considered a human being or a person? What are the characteristics that make a human being? The ability to feel, to think, to be aware. A person is a social evolution, that at the end is capable of acquiring rights and contracting obligations, that is, capable of becoming subject, active or passive, of legal relations. So when can we say that the life of a human being begins, when one is a person. One is a person when one human being is separated from another, when there is an individuality: • At 22/24 weeks, when the central nervous system is neurobiologically mature. • At 26 weeks when you can already feel pain. • When the fetus can develop outside the womb at 28 weeks. • Or at birth. We have to keep in mind that legal abortion occurs in the 1st trimester or at 21 weeks maximum.
As a gay guy, I am surprised how many gay men are still part of these religions and practice the same apologetic approach: You are taking the anti gay texts out of context, Jesus didn't say anything about gay. As for the latter, why would you assume his silence means he approves it?
It's true, Jesus didn't say anything about homosexuals, but Jesus did talk against the rich people and these preachers remain quiet about it. Hypocrisy at its finest.
As a gay man as well, i kind of agree with Matt Dillahunty on this. No, i don't believe jesus (if he even existed) said anything directly about homosexuality (not that i would give a shit if he did). I like progressive, lgbt friendly christians, but they really have no biblical leg to stand on. The westboro babtist church are horrible, hateful fanatics, but their stance on homosexuality (at least male homosexuality) is biblically sound. You can twist that disgusting book any way you want, but it is clear on the subject. Mostly the old testement, but some in the new as well. If you consider yourself a christian and an ally of gay people, you are in conflict with your scripture. I would drop the hateful, fairytale bullshit all together. It's stance on homosexuality is only the tip of the disgusting, hateful iceberg.
I'm a hetero girl but I do stand by the idea that the Bible doesn't condemn homosexuality. The sin of Sodom is straight out described in Ezekiel 16:49 and it sounds more like it's describing today's version of Republican in terms of immigrants, in the ancient language of Aramaic there was no word for boy so when it says man sleeping with a young man' is abomination' (but so was eating shellfish and wearing clothing of mixed fibers), PLUS the fact that the Bible says nothing at all about women that like other women, and no negative anything from God about K. David and his 'friend' Jonathon's close relationship. And the fact that Jesus says nothing about being a homosexual but DOES repeatedly condemn divorce & fornication-sex before/outside marriage (so he wasn't shy about condemning sexual acts he thought were sinful). . . for these reasons, I have serious doubts as to how 'bad' it was seen, if at all. However, it shouldn't matter just bc our country was founded on not making laws based off any one religion. I just think Christians should be made more aware of the history of their religion, how many denominations there are, and how many Bible translations there are.
@Marvin Martian yeah, many have said that reading that disgusting book of fairytales, historical fiction and mythology lead them to atheism. Like i said, it's admirable that some decent christians try to ignore some things in their "holy book" and twist others, but they really are fooling themselves. Many gay men and lesbians themselves try the same gymnastics to justify their existence to other believers. Like you, i am not a believer and am beyond caring what others think of me. I am not at all interested in justifying my existence to others. I would not want to be any other way even if i could.
47th minute .... I like Seth's words about his neighbor A Christian Pastor. As an Ex-Christian. Seth has a good (and also Hemant Mehta as well) heart. I like the call for loving (in all its various forms) secular humanism.
The self-righteous hatred from these spewers is what I was raised on. It NEVER set right with me, and I left. Many of my ex-friends and family still believe this is just fine. Being told it's God who declares this makes it more diabolical because then it's a holy edict. We need more people like Seth and Hemant exposing this and helping people understand. When one learns this from the cradle, it seems normal. Critical thinking skills MUST be taught in our schools and cartoons!
The Right Wing Watch website has a number of video clips of Bullock that are simply beyond belief. And i personally think that he looks like Elvira Mistress of the Dark if she were to grow a beard.
Like cheating on his wife of 21 years until she filed for divorce, and then marrying his church secretary after denying they had been romantically involved?
Sir Bedevere: “What makes you think that she’s a witch” Peasant: “She’s a witch… She turned me into a newt!” Sir Bedevere: “A newt?” Peasant: “I got better.”
Another great video from you and Mr. Mehta! Hopefully we’ll see more collaborations by the two of you in the future. While watching our current crop of hateful fundie loons, I’m reminded a lot of Beneath the Planet of the Apes, where mutated telekinetic humans worship an ancient ICBM from a time before the nuclear catastrophe that led to the rise of the Apes. They exhibit a lot of the same characteristics of the characters in the film, warped belief system and all. I think these groups need exposure, like you’re doing. Nothing disinfects like sunlight. Keep up the good work, you’re doing a great service for humanity.
@@doneestoner9945 You’d have a greater chance of winning the lottery twice in two weeks than for the IRS to revoke these grifters’ tax-free status, unfortunately. It’s a scam that our government refuses to do anything about. The Scientologists used lawfare to get theirs. It’s a greater holy grail than the actual holy grail because it’s practically a license to print money.
Also religion in prison is more BS than regular religion. There are just as many non believers in prison as there are on the outside. This is from my own experience. The Difference is that almost everyone in prison chooses a religion because you get special meals, cookies and juice at church, singing and playing instruments 'basically a Christian rock band you get to perform in' and even movie night on a big screen. Even pagan groups get special meals and extra activities.
The irony of Christians accusing others of endorsing human sacrifice is astounding.
Don't forget about the Crusades, the Catholic Inquisition and Colonization (forced convertion to Christianity)
@@janejones8672 What I had in mind is that the entire religion revolves around a child sacrifice.
@@chrislister570 And cannibalism!
There's no Hate, like Christian "Love"
@Uncle Carmine congratulations! You proved OPs point! If you're this oblivious I'd get your license revoked before you harm more people than the church itself.
@Uncle Carmine oh cool, gaslighting. Hey, if there is a good god in this world let me tell ya, he's got you in the boiler room of hell. I'll see you there.
Yup!
@Uncle Carmine is this what they teach you in church? Whenever someone disagrees with you you should belittle them? Tell us again why we should ever convert to what you believe if this is what you Do? You're one seriously sad and pathetic person, I wish you the best but you have issues.
I’m proud to say that I’m raising my daughter with Christian love. When she doesn’t worship me, I burn her.
I simply don’t have enough hatred in me to be a Christian.
That's good !
ohh fuck #legend
You should remember that both the American abolitionist movement and the American civil rights movement were guided by fervent Christians. Regards.
@@markkozlowski3674 as were the slave traders and owners. Regards
@@SPL0869 Exactly. The point is that we should avoid making blanket statements about complex social phenomena. Thus, it is an obfuscation of no small magnitude to imply, as I'm afraid you do, that a capacity for hatred is a prerequisite for being a Christian. Instead, when evaluating something like Christianity, we should be guided -- in this, as in so many other things-- by the wisdom of Oscar Wilde: "The truth is rarely pure and never simple."
And let me take this opportunity to recommend an excellent book which proves the complexity of evaluation the role of religion in American history: Mark Noll, "The Civil War as a Theological Crisis". Regards.
A few years ago, I had to visit the food bank in a local church. Before handing out the food, the pastor addressed us and made it clear that they had no intention of preaching to us or trying to convert us because what was important was helping the community regardless of their religious beliefs or lack there of. Even before he he led a quick prayer,he made it clear that we didn’t have to pray if we didn’t want to. That came out of genuine human compassion and not religion.
I've also had to get food from a church food pantry. I had to sit through a 30 min sermon and give my personal information so they can send me shit in the mail. Your experience is NOT the norm. Most churches don't just help you. It's all transactional
Met loads of Pastors like that & if you came to our Church just to help others and deal:with food Bank stuff I would have no intention of trying to convert you or evangelise you. It’s who you are and what you do that matters not whether you believe in God or not.
Frankly I’d rather know an Atheist in many cases than some people who say they are Christians. People are people in the end. How we live, how we love and what we do matters more than if we believe or not.
Unfortunately,that’s very true.
@1daddyDA I am atheist ❤ I live in a town of less than 300 people, and there are 2 churches here. We have elderly and disabled here, and I have yet to see either church help anyone outside thier congregation. I'm extra sad because I would love to help out with something like that and get to know my neighbors more.
@@cannabotany Yup. My furnace died and I am elderly. I called the local Catholic Church to see if they knew who could help me and the priest wouldn’t even take my call.
This is disturbing on so many levels.
I’m a bisexual man. I’m a brother, son, a friend and uncle, a grandson and a US Veteran. But above all, I’m a good kind hearted pure and loving human being that would never hurt anybody. To listen to these people that filled with anger, and hate because somebody loves differently is nothing short of evil. But then again the god that they worship creates evil( Isaiah 45:7 KJV ) and is in fact a narcissistic sociopath himself, so this doesn’t surprise me, but it still hurts. And its sad that in 2022 people like this are molding young minds.
You don't "live differently" , you love. Thats all.
At some point,one of those hate preachers says that *they're* monsters (homosexuals) but to anyone listening it's obvious that those hate preachers are the ones who are monsters. Part of me wanted to snort at them, roll my eyes and say 'yeah, right', but another part of me is shocked that people with that much brain damage are allowed to be free in the streets.
@Marvin Martian This is an adult conversation please leave.
*"...the god that they worship creates evil* (some versions say "CALAMITY" as if THAT's BETTER‽ Isaiah 45:7 KJV ) *and is, in fact a narcissistic sociopath himself..."* ‽‽ Mr. Neeson: I could NOT have said it *BETTER* myself! THANKS!
US Army Vet. Med Inst. (1966-68) one of US Sec. State's McNamara's 100,000 Morons!! (I.Q.
@DrumWild *Here's THE 'answer'!!*
GODLESS BLESSINGS
Christian Believers have a built-in residual circular sinful nature that perpetually needs to be humble, repentant, and forgiven of SIN! (1 Jn 1:9)! But does this mean such Christians no longer sin? Are WE perfect? Of course, we are, *BUT, ONLY IN God's eyes* through *Christ's view of us by HIS blood and sacrifice God his Father MADE Him give for us.* Even the apostle, Paul, *still struggled* with sin. And; so, he convinced himself not to "see" any more of his sinful nature just as God didn't; Paul was justified -- just-as-if-he had not sinned --- by his Faith in God's Word! Did Paul still sin? Of course, he did. Was Paul perfect? No, ONLY Jesus IS perfect! OK, then, Paul considers himself saved whether he "SINS" or NOT! (Romans 7:15-19) A Follower-in-Christ still holds a sinful nature. But that sinful nature that *was* previously *reigning* no longer reigns. It only *remains(?)* . *And, now, the Holy Ghost (spirit) reigns,* and *enables* them to do *many good works.* And, the wonderful thing is that believers know that the sins they still commit have already been paid for by Jesus. This knowledge then spurs them on to do even more good works! *This proves they're a christian!* Instead of giving people the license to sin, *God's complete and total forgiveness frees them from fear* of condemnation /Hell and gives them the liberty to joyfully and eagerly do good. (WHILE ANY occurring “future” SIN is by accident and/or weakness!) IS THIS WHY MANY *CHRISTIANS SUFFER EXTREME COGNITIVE DISSONANCE;* AND, may Destroy THEMSELVES because they don't completely understand God's "insurance" of salvation? However, though, *remember,:* 1 Cor. 10:13(!); gives ALL of those who are *spirit filled* an indisputable way out of sinning *if* your *conscience is now working* to see it. *However,...* has this now become *THE new UNFORGIVABLE sin?!*
I'm hearing these preachers calling for the government to operate from religious text. Same thing we point out as wrong with Islamic countries. The mental gymnastics and cognitive dissonance is wild.
It's the same thing THEY point out as wrong with Islamic countries - remember all the hysteria about Sharia Law? Now the agenda is you can't teach anything in school that might conflict with the right wing fundamentalist brainwashing I'm giving them at home.
cognitive dissonance goes hand in hand with double standards. It's fine when they do it, but it's not fine when people outside their religion do it.
Hypocrisy is not an issue for them.
They want an USghanistan - with christian Imams leading the country, with christian shariah law, with restrictions of the rights of women -
and even with rifle-armed militias roaming the streets, like the taliban fighters with their AK-47s.
They’re doing the same thing the Romans did with their concept of mixing American nationalism with Christianity which consists of ideas of you can’t acknowledge any flaws the United States has, merging Christianity with state government, and any criticism of the Founding Fathers is off limits. On top of that, their worship of Donald Trump! The fact that they demand the absolute worship of the state and look at Donald Trump along with the founding fathers as if they’re these gods sort of reminds me of the Roman Imperial Cult!
I worked as a corrections officer. Inmates would adopt a religion that provided kosher food because it was of a better and more varied quality. They became Muslim because they could hide drugs in their copy of the Koran, knowing we couldn't touch the book. They made it work for them, just like the grifters making fortunes on the outside.
Why couldn't you touch their book?
@@Rob-fc9wg it was considered holy and out of bounds, if you did they kicked up such a fuss, I suppose it was easier for those in charge to deem it out of bounds. If you did find drugs, you made a big fuss then relented and let them keep it, they thought you were a good guy and would return the favour, watch your back, provide Information. From our point of view depending on the drug it made them mellow, less aggressive. They were happy, we were happy, have a nice day 🙂
I too was a CO - for ten yrs. I watched inmates convert to Islam, then to Judaism, then to Christianity, depending on a particular season's perks. :D
@@skullduggerysmiles8393 Tell them they lost their religious freedom after they violated other's freedoms. Any religious freedom they get in prison is a privelege or courtesy goodwill, not a right.
@@Ascend777I'm afraid that's not how it works, they are incarcerated as punishment, they aren't sentenced to punishment once inside. I found that having a little respect gained respect and everything worked more smoothly.
These hate preacher should be charged with hate speech and/or defamation .
Well unfortunately that would violate the 1st ammendment. What we need to do is keep spreading the truth and waking people up from religious indoctrination & get them thinking for themselves & logically. Then people won't be gullible enough to fall for this dogma. It will take time, but it's the right way to do it.
When I was in boot camp in the Navy, I had an LPO that always said, " America is a free country" say or do anything you want, but stand by for the consequences.
that's good, i like that. 👍
We all have that "free will"
The air force threw me in a naval psych ward for not wanting to date, marry, or have sex with anyone.
The Satanist addressing the Idaho legislature missed a golden opportunity to answer "Is there any tenet with respect to blood/human sacrifice?" "No Representative, you're thinking of Christianity."
That part
She would have been right, but she was being careful to not attack their beliefs. I respect the choice, but I kind of wish she'd have been more snarky.
The whole unironic participation in ritual cannibalism doesn't really dawn on you until you take the God goggles off and get out of it for a bit. But once it does dawn on you, it's impossible to unsee it.
EXACTLY!!! the entire christian mythology is founded on brutal, unnecessary human meat sacrifice and blood sacrifice magic. Not to mention the largest sects of Christianity indulge in ritualistic and symbolic cannibalism.
Yeah, she could have responded as a genuine question. "As in Christian blood sacrifices?"
"There is no hate like Christian love."
Another thing I don't understand is why Greg Locke had no problem appealing to the same off-the-wall fears that plagued Salem, Massachusetts in the autumn of '692. Even if it was because Locke was so vain and arrogant that he flies into a rage whenever anyone challenges his authority or does anything to keep him out of power. Megalomania describes Locke mildly.
Agreed
It's not all Christians, there's growing pushback against these people, trust me... Most of the Christians I've personally met disavow these right
wing "hate pastors" and hold the utmost contempt for them...
@@davidallamericananarchist9220 I think its deeper than that. The whole philosophy about BOTH Heaven and Hell is I think a bit of psycho. How could any "true" follower of Christ live a single day in heavenly paradise knowing a one of their fellow human beings must suffer an eternity of torment in Hell for, relatively speaking, trifling sins committed on earth. As someone raised Evangelical, for me to square that circle, and come to terms with that, was to understand the historical and political context in which those concepts arose in Medieval times. These tools were used by the "divine" kings and feudal "lords" to exert mind control over their peasants and serfs...by terrorizing them with the fear of eternal punishment for nonallegience to authority, and greed for an eternal reward for unquestioning service to authority...conveniently AFTER death of course. That fear and anticipated avarice (along with learned helplessness and ignorance) are I believe the fundamental part of the modern Christian mindset. Many are good people, and those feelings are understandably mixed with some shame and guilt...but this is then often misdirected back into a self affirming destructive cycle of powerlessness...and when the dam bursts from time to time... lashing out at people different than them.
@@davidallamericananarchist9220 for sure.
I’m a devout Christian and the fear and hate mongers are evil and have nothing to do with Christ.
Would love to see more collaborations between you two. You're both excellent thinkers and - dare I say it - when you work together, it's almost magically good!
Love them 💕both
Miraculous?
@@patchesohoulihan9396 🤣 that's the word!
Hemant and Seth were the 2 that helped me embrace my atheism. A huge thanks to those wonderful guys!
Yeah. New YT channel "The Friendly Thinking Atheist". Hemant and Seth ruminate on humanist topics.
I had a great retort while talking to a theist about perception.
Theist: You’re just judging god from a human perspective.
Me: I can ONLY judge god from a human perspective!
"No one can judge God." (Bible)
Nothing has spilled more blood than religion
Perhaps what is most upsetting/concerning about these angry, lying charlatans is the presence of INNOCENT CHILDREN forced to listen to this evil garbage. It should concern all of us, as these children will one day be leaders in government, business, education, etc.
And how many of those children will commit suicide because of hishateful BS and their parents?
For far too many, can’t put 2and 2 together, y, their interpretation of almost everything doesn’t jive with wot is
They have to get them young, before they can think for themselves, else the religion dies. Like cigarette companies.
Why aren't Locke's and the Andersonite Baptists' sermons being looked at as acts of stochastic terrorism? Why haven't more people figured them out as the stochastic Al-Qaeda they practically are?
Yep. That is how children grow up RACIST and MISOGYNISTIC. Indoctrinated by their pastors/parents.😒
These preachers are great examples as to why all churches should be taxed!
And also investigated by thr FBI for political sedition and radicalization.
They are causing real social problems. I had a bus driver who used to preach to me every day on the bus,and showed favoritism to her fellow Christian passengers. I had to call her supervisor repeatedly. She told me to stop calling her supervisor! They are starting public open disputes, and they have been along time.
Yes, those of us who are part of decent, free, secular society have to watch our backs against these malicious misanthropes.
Is this public transit?
As a Transit Driver myself, I go out of my way to stop such open discussions on my route vehicle. It creates a captive audience that does not always agree with them.
That and the fools who blindly follow the orange ogre as such a great president...
@@HappyGoLucky-tr8bo Yes, public transit. It went on for so long I became furious and called her supervisor screaming that you don't have to be a Christian to ride the bus- you can be Jewish, a Muslim, a Buddhist, an atheist, etc. This Christian Nationalist movement tries to take over public spaces anywhere and everywhere someone is willing to listen. Not to long ago in a public park a total stranger was bragging about how Israel had just attacked the Muslims- I told him, "you're ALL terrorists."
@@ivanivonovich9863 Thank you. Yes, that describes the situation exactly- a captive audience by the bus driver no less, who can't disagree without causing a public disturbance. I eventually bought head phones and tried to listen to the radio. It was a problem because I was taking the bus to work every day and using that time to plan my day and whatever else needed planning and there she was carrying on about nothing that would benefit me whatsoever. She really tried to pretend to be my friend- went to a Renaissance Fair with me and everything (which she said was "satanic") all so she could "convert" me and maintain her "leadership status in her church. Really sickening social problems.
Freedom of speech includes responsibility of speech. You are responsible for the words you say. There is a group of people who refuse to accept that.
I agree with you 1000% is after the bill has passed, are they going to take all these unwanted babies? Isn't that their belief?
These preachers are just bigots. There is no such thing as freedom of speech if there can be consequences. Its a oxymoron.
@@tomakafrankconlon3207 consequences aren't necessarily a negative. Most of us get it right and the consequences are good.
@@SilentEcho9194 Nonsensical response. Be free to say and do what you are told to say and do. ? Or are you just a troll or bot.
Yeah, sounds like compelled speech.
What a wonderful discussion between these two gentlemen. I spent over 30 years in fundamentalist churches, but found more progressive loving churches, that follow Jesus' teaching. I so appreciate how you don't lump all Christians together. I'm APPALLED by some of these fundamentalists. So reminds me of Muslim jihadist. They're taking their people down a very dark road.
I DO hope that you speak up whenever & wherever opportunity allows . . . . .
I am very much a theist but I could watch you two all day long. Faith is a very personal thing and does not belong in government. The hate in The Church is driving people of good conscience away in droves
Greg Locke is definitely the most hateful preacher I've ever seen. He should be arrested for threatening others.
I love what the friendly atheist said about these Christian apologetics-that it's turned into a giant game of 'heads I win, tails you lose'.
ngl, I 🤣whenever Locke or Anderson yell. They sound more clownish the louder they are.
Hes awful but I think Steven Anderson may be worse. Both are just crazy evil douchebags though.
It's disgusting, but at the same time fascinating. The church I grew up in was just as bigoted, hateful, and two faced, but they actually took great pains to try to appear at least surface level reasonable.
And this was a pretty ugly group (church of christ)
It's just amazing that the so called champions of love have completely tossed the mask.
@@blackc1479 The preacher at the church I grew up at was calm and laid back, it took me years to realize that a loving God wouldn't allow such evil to exist. I told some girl on Reddit (or whatever) that the Old Testament (especially) was 'love me or else!', like an abusive husband, and she was completely taken back. I had to explain more clearly what I meant- I never heard back but hopefully it started making her think.
@@starpenta yeah, dead on w that. Never thought of it in those terms, but it totally works. Might explain why the most poisonous fundies love the OT. Just fits that narrow, insecure hateful mindset.
This why the rest of the world rejects the version of religion the emanates from bible belt America. Thankfully the world is becoming secular and will be a better place for it.
Agree totally, secularism is a rapidly growing sector in the US right now.
As someone who (sadly) lives in the Buy-bull belt, I would be deeply appreciative if we could get a move-on with the growing secular thing. I'm embarrassed that I share a state with Greg Locke, and my particular neck of the woods is still deeply religious. I honestly don't know how many other atheists are around here, but I'm feeling pretty odd-man-out; I listen to Godless Engineer, Godless Granny, Scathing Atheist, Suris, Genetically Modified Skeptic, Aron Ra, and Seth here, just to remind myself that not all of us below the Manson-Nixon line are foaming at the mouth fundies like these hate preachers. Yeah, I know Aron and Drew are in Texas, and Seth is in Oklahoma, but it still carries over.
@@necrosunderground You have my sympathies, I live in England and I don't personally know of any evangelical christians. To some extent the Bible Belt fascinates me and would love to visit, I'm sure I would be horrified at the levels of indoctrination that it would appear they practice. From here it looks like their main goal is (as it's always has been) money and control of gullible people.
As I said the world is becoming secular, pretty well most of Europe is, with a few exceptions like parts of Italy. I understand the part religion plays and here we are blessed with some wonderful church buildings and architecture but it shouldn't control peoples lives to the extent that they feel obligated to threaten others that don't toe the line. That's disgusting.
@@ramptonarsecandle I've said it elsewhere, but I stand by it: the area of the country where I live is absolutely beautiful, the people, not so much.
I'd say it's equal parts control and keeping the money rolling in. These hate preachers are practically flaunting their tax exempt status while playing hopscotch with the line between church and state; they have a frightening amount of say in what gets taught in schools (I recommend watching some of Aron Ra's videos addressing text book selection in Texas). You see it in the way a substantial number of politicians are using their religious beliefs to shape policy. I know that there's been a noticable decline in church attendance, with a subsequent rise in people identifying as non religious and/or atheist, and a lot of these fundies don't get (or don't care) that their behavior is what's turning people off. But there are still enough of them that are perfectly happy with letting their bigotry flow, as long as they can cloak it in the guise of faith.
@@ramptonarsecandle : I wish we had these ranting hate-preachers in Britland. It would become a national sport to mass gatecrash their services dressed for a Rammstein concert. (btw: I used to know a Fred Arsecandle. Any relation?)
So, that guy had the audacity to openly lie to his audience, spreading hate to specific members of his community who did nothing wrong for absolutely no reason...
This is a genuine horror show.
These people are playing a game of "I'm stupider than you" for attention.
Let's stay vigilant, as these regressive throw-backs of centuries-gone-by attempt to brainwash kids and infiltrate all aspects of society. They are openly declaring war on all of free, secular society.
Guessing you're talking about Locke?
If so, I was kinda surprised too, from a purely machivellian point of view (which I'm assuming he's using)
He's using up a couple of his witch cards, but I guess he could always conjure up more. Plus he's opening himself up to their rebuttal, and other on the fence types to wonder if he's right.
I figured he'd let the secret witches be, so he could still have that general leverage to use against the whole congregation. (Never mind the contradiction of "we all hate the witches, but I'm not going to tell you who they are"). Logic was never invited to that party.
Check out Telltale’s video on this. He goes into detail on the story. Doesn’t seem like the “witches” were great people either, but they definitely don’t deserve to be put in danger either.
There's nothing respectable about the Andersonite Baptists' idea of "hard preaching" if it involves getting people like me framed for crimes like date rape or kidnapping murder of a child. But then again, the Andersonite Baptists are probably the cowards who won't put their money where there mouth is, because they know they'd get pinched for knowingly filing a false police report if they tried to abuse the prosecutorial system's power which isn't even theirs.
So glad Hemant pointed out that exposing these guys is important. The scariest thing about them is that millions of mainstream Christians are like half a doctrinal shift away from being these guys and they don’t even know it. I listened to Shirley Roper-Phelps outline her theology, and it was fucking scary, because it was NO DIFFERENT from the theology I was raised with. And my dad wants to think he’s nothing like the Phelps family when he’s literally different from them only by degrees.
Loosing 3 kids in one accident. I cannot begin to fathom that pain.
*Losing
lose = opposite of win/gain/find
loose = opposite of "tight" (and is pronounced differently)
Gents, thank you for this awesome content. You guys are changing lives. History tells us that most of these pastors who are preaching hate against homosexual are wrestling with those tendencies themselves.
i could not agree more
Ted Haggard pops to mind!
Yes, they're (the commentators here) heaping up judgment from God against themselves come Judgment Day. If only they loved God as much as they love the sound of their own voices.
This is extremely disturbing. I cannot believe what I just heard here. Thank you, Seth, for this video.
In medieval England, there used to be something called the "neck verse": a Bible passage that, if you could quote it accurately, allowed a criminal to escape the hangman's noose. It's frightening to see it rearing its ugly head in the 21st century.
Very important video. Thank you for it. People like these need to be exposed more often. The scary thing is their congregations are taking these hateful teachings outside the church walls and applying them to their daily dealings with people and thinking it’s ok. 😑
"Woe unto those who call good evil and call evil good." (Isaiah 5:20) This world loves sin and hates righteousness. They call sin good and righteousness evil.
I live in Scotland. I have been to over 40 evangelical churches and the pastors are the friendliest loving people I have ever met. This is so removed from my experience of Church. And they make a big deal over Scotland being known as "the land of the book." I think our hate preachers must have emigrated to America in the 18th century or something.
Thank you so much for exposing these psychopaths.
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I appreciate that you guys talked about the fact that these extremist believers want the negative attention from others on platforms like TH-cam.
It's one of the most difficult issues we deal with. We want people to know that this kind of thinking exists, but we also know that by showing these extremists to others, they will gain some followers and get a little bit of sympathy for being "picked on."
It's very difficult to expose monsters like these preachers without showing what they are saying and doing, but we have to trust that any positive benefit they might receive from their message being share is far outweighed by the negative publicity they get. It may seem like they are benefiting from the exposure, but it will ultimately be their downfall as more and more good people see how they are and work against them.
4far too many of many, can’t put 2 and 2 together, cause their interpretation of almost anything is at odds with everything that is or was
Great convo. Hemant is a really good communicator. The flow of this conversation was so good. Thanks for the upload.
Why do Christian, Jewish, and Muslim preachers preach hatred in the name of love?
…I mean, mirrors, neighbors, and internet should have kept them in check. What went wrong with these haters?
I went to one of those steadfast protests before they moved. We were smiling and waving, most of the adults looked like they hated us, but some of the wives smiled and waved when nobody was looking. A lot of the kids looked like they wanted to run away from their families. It was honestly sad.
One drop of ink pollutes the whole pitcher. Corruption and lasciviousness is polluting the earth.
I talk to Christians a lot about the hate preachers within their religion, and what really bothers me as much as the hate spewed by these preachers is the utter silence from them when it comes to denouncing these horrible representations of Christianity. People don’t realize how fast these hate churches are growing. We have a major problem with Christian’s not keeping their own in check. The filth these pastors are preaching to children is shocking!
Oh there are denouncements but its not as juicy to report and does not make the news
I know *I* denounce them.
They're automatic response is always, "well they aren't REAL Christians 🙄
guess protecting the children falls flat after you watch these kinds of videos.
"Woe unto those who call good evil and evil good." (Isaiah 5:20) Sin is still sin no matter how many lies people tell themselves in order to justify their sin and justify staying stuck in it. "To know God is to hate evil." (Bible) God hates sin. There is no sin in Heaven where God is. "Do not marvel that I say you must be born again." (John 3:7) We must let go of sin and cling to Jesus Christ. If we refuse to do that there is no hope for us. Eternal damnation awaits every human who refuses to turn away from All sin. "For wide is the road and easy is the way that leads to destruction and many enter in. But narrow is the road and difficult is the way that leads to eternal life, and only a few find it." (Matthew 7:13-14)
It's difficult to cure this level of delusional hatred, but the only way I know to oppose it is by choosing to love, and respect, and communicate with people we disagree with. If we cannot recognize the humanity in people we do not understand, then we will lose the humanity within ourselves. These preachers are a prime example of that result.
I hope you all have a wonderful day☺
I just want to say that you two gentlemen are fantastic. You’ve helped me become much more a critical thinker and get out of the religion that I used to be in. I just want to thank you
Good for you !
I love these collabs to
Oh Satan thank you for blinding me further from truth, for getting me one step closer to Hades. "The natural man can't understand spiritual things for they are nonsense to him." (Bible)
And they wonder why people are leaving the church
Seth Andrews and Hermant Mehta, Greetings from Oaxaca Mexico. Back in the Early 2000's in Catholic Chat we had several of these rather angry hateful sorts. When discussing 'love your enemies', I noticed that he qualified it so much that he was actually describing hatred rather than love. Just another drop in the Atheist bucket All the best, I love both your channels and 2 together Oo La La. JIM, Oaxaca
I used to be a Christian, but living in America opened my mind to the falsehood of Christianity. I am not going to church ever again.
Believe me, you won’t miss a thing and will be better off for it. It’s like preachers have discovered the key to charlatan/scamming at its best. You don’t need to be a Bible scholar or have an education. You get protection from the GOP, regardless of what your scam is, and if your scam is registered, you pay no taxes! What a sweet deal they have.
So many of these people are so diconnected from reality. It is so offensve, and so dangerous.
Sometimes I wonder who's _really_ influencing who: did religion make them a bigot or are they using it as a cover for their bigotry, or what ratio of both? I remember when Jimmy and Thomas covered the Pulse Nightclub shooting in Florida several years ago, and those were some of the most vile preachers I've ever heard. What moderates really need to contemplate over is that there is no mechanism in religion of actually correcting this atrocious ideology; you're citing the same book with no actual fact to nail down, and clearly God isn't going to settle the argument himself.
In my experience it's a bit of both. If you consider how the Bible's commandments related to divorce and not remarrying after divorce, you can easily see signs of hypocrisy. They latch onto their pet offenses and rhe blood of Jesus covers everything they want it to.
But you'll also meet people who don't seem to harbor any grudges against lgbt+ individuals but "the bible tells me so"
People gravitate to the parts of the Bible that most appeals to them. I highly doubt that someone like Locke was a kind "gentle soul" before he found religion.
Yeah, I don't think you can easily separate the two. And factor in that the more extreme your views are, the more you push them. So the very bigoted want everybody to be that way, and are willing to push with any tool available. And religion happens to be a very handy tool.
As to self regulating, I wouldn't even know where to start on that.
I guess the big paradox is that the more accepting Christians aren't exactly keen on crusading against those that they maybe don't agree with.
@@wayneconner2394 There's also the whole nature vs nurture debate; wouldn't surprise me if someone else was hammering the brimstone into him as a kid.
@@blackc1479 I suspect that moderates know on some level that there's no rational argument they can make against the extremists that doesn't also implicate their own brand to some degree. All they have are appeals to authority and emotion using the same source material.
free speech comes with responsibilities and consequences, and no one is entitled to an audience.
Imagine how terrified the children of these preachers must be. To know that your parent would kill you for disobedience is horrifying. They must dismiss their own thoughts and quash any doubts just to survive.
@28:10 "They're predators, they're bullies, they're imposing their will on people.."
Said unironically with a straight face
Inciting hatred needs to be punishable by a prison term - sickening.
Agreed.
I’d like to see a deeper conversation about the utility of highlighting preachers like this. I know when I was a believer, I’d see people point to Westboro Baptist Church, and it would cause me to roll my eyes, say “my preacher isn’t like that,” and become further entrenched in my belief system.
On the other hand, these people do exist, and I don’t necessarily think they should be completely ignored.
I believe there’s a balance to be had here, but we too rarely have the conversation about where that balance should be in the first place.
The balance was set forth by the founding fathers and the separation of church and state:
"The civil rights of none shall be abridged on account of religious belief or worship, nor shall any national religion be established, nor shall the full and equal rights of conscoence be in any manner, or on any pretext, infringed." James Madison speech before Congress upon delivering the Bill of Rights.
"Be it enacted by the General Assembly that no man shall be compelled to frequent or support ANY religious worship, place or ministry WHATSOEVER, nor shall be enforced, restrained, molested, or burthened in their bodies or goods." Thomas Jefferson's The Virginia Statute for Religious Freedom.
"The United States is in no sense founded on the Christian religion." John Adams Treaty of Tripoli.
"Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and god, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that legislative powers of the government reach actions only, and not opinion, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should "make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof," thus building a wall of separation of church and state." Thomas Jefferson's Letter to Danbury Baptist Association, 1/1/1802.
"Woe be unto the pharisees. For they do not enter in, and they prevent others from entering in." (Jesus - Bible)
That's what happened to you. Stop listening to them, and start listening to Jesus. "Seek the Lord while He may be found. Call upon Him while He is near." (Isaiah 55) "Draw near to God and He will draw near to you." (James - Bible)
It's interesting that the councilman that asked if Satanists believe in blood sacrifice prefaced it with admitting he had preconceived notions about satanism. I hope that self awareness was followed up on.
Even modern day theistic Satanists do not engage in blood sacrifice of humans. It's not seen as very useful . Nobody wants to end up in prison where you can't freely practice your faith to take some dross off the planet who, given time will do worse to the self. What comes around goes around. Just get out if the way! Stop enabling them.
Christianity is literally built on a blood sacrifice: the crucifixion of Jesus Christ.
Lol my immediate thought was
Umm didn’t Jesus literally shed his blood in sacrifice for you?
(According to theology.)
@@OhAbsinthian So the satanist should have said "of course not, we aren't Christians"
@@RayKosby Lol true
When Seth mentions his worship pastor best friend, I flashed to a comment Hitch made at a FODI talk, paraphrased: "...what you're describing and praising, as far as I know justly, is precisely the extent that which he doesn't resemble really a religious person."
The pastor must be a Humanist. ;)
The "Mission" Homeless Shelter where I live (NC) requires that participants living in the shelter attend a church (walking distance) on Sunday and bring back a form, given to them to take to church and have the form signed by the pastor or a deacon in order to continue to be a resident of the shelter ( they get a bed, showers, laundry, food, medical and " counseling ?" and I think set up with social services and other assistance. They do good work in the community but I don't understand how they get away with the religious requirement ?
Don’t the “named” / “outed” people have a legal case of slander & endangerment against that monstrous preacher?
They are no angels themselves they have spouted a lot of hate as well
Thinking Atheist and Friendly Atheist, Seth and Hemant! I know you don't want to be heroes. But please keep in mind, while nothing you do causes hate, it could be a random post from either of you that prevents some lost person from killing her/his children or self out of fear of Satan or what have you, because of their fear these preachers! You are very much heroes!👍🥰💖✌
Many thanks for this valuable and fair-minded discussion.
Much appreciated.
25:09 preacher says -- "you're never welcome, go away. I just can't wait until you just go to Hell!"......is that Love or is that Love? Oh yeah, that is christian love.... What ever happened to "Judge NOT lest ye be judged"??? They only follow things they like. Hypocrisy if a side effect of belief in gods.
For me the video started with an ad of some "Evangelize Israel" ministry. Took me a while to realize that this was not intended to exemplify your point... 😅
I'm a Canadian and was raised in a secular home. My parents simply never mentioned god as my sister and I grew up (allegedly, in my case...). When we were old enough to be curious why some of our friends had to go to church every Sunday (or more often, some catholics pray 5 times a day, strange no one ever freaks out about that like they do the muslims...) and asked questions about religion, our parents basically said, and I'm paraphrasing liberally, but the meaning was there: "when you're old enough to warp your mind with booze, you can go see if you want to warp your mind with that stuff too..."
So I'm as puzzled as those who know me as a radical atheist about why I'm obsessed, and that's the word for sure, with why christians, in particular because of geography, believe what they do? I watch Paulogia, Genetically Modified Skeptic, Bart D. Erhman's lectures, Telltale, Jimmy Snow aka Mr. Atheist, Gutsick Gibbon, the Atheist Experience (I would really love to shake Matt Dillahunty's hand!), Shannon Q, Aron Ra, Viced Rhino, and Rationality Rules. And I know I'm forgetting one or two. All this in a effort to understand why seemingly intelligent people argue that, as an example, sound vibration allows a 500-year-old man to move big logs to build a boat that could not possibly have been big enough to account for all the animals to survive a flood that could never have happened? It just fascinates me for reasons I can't pin down.
Okay, sure, listening to Ken Ham or Kent Hovind espouse their beliefs with a straight face is good for a laugh. I gotta have something, as it's been so long since there was anything new from Monty Python. That accounts for some of it. And as a queer person, I'm interested in shows like this because hate-mongering crosses borders and knowledge is power. There is more fear when the enemy is unknown. My graduate degrees are in environmental science, which is heavy on biology, so watching Gutsick Gibbon and Aron Ra, among others, to shore up my understanding of evolution is interesting to me on it's own. But why do I care about the gospel of Paul and St. Thecla, as I learned about from Paulogia today? Or why Mormons believe crazy shit made up by a convicted conman? Or whether or not JWs kids can have friends in school? I can only conclude, as you lot already have, that I'm just kinda weird.
I seem to have the same obsession to understand why people believe (or disbelieve) the things they do. I like listening to both converts and deconverts testimonies of all different religions and non theisms. I made the mistake once of mentioning to my fundamentalist friend that there existed on TH-cam people who believe in flat earth, I was amazed that they even existed. Unfortunately he too was amazed but now he is a flat earther after watching the videos. It seems he thinks it's part of the proof of god. The conspiracy fits his beliefs I suppose, it somehow supports his preconceived claims. The same with the flood, their "evidences" adds a tangibility to their beliefs, as wacky as it gets. Even I tried out Mormonism, I was disillusioned from trying all the different Christian churches. The Mormons seemed nice folks and their beliefs were understandable for my religiously minded self. My main issue I couldn't get around their belief that tithing was required. Definitely all religion is a con game. But it's amazing so much of the world falls for it all.
Read the book Noah's Flood by William Ryan and Walter Pitman. A scientific look at what really happened.
Excellent, educational book.
@@elizabethwarman9028 Well, if it was so ground-breaking, why publish it as a populist book and not in scientific journals? Is it because real, respected geologists don't agree? I mean, maybe I'm wrong, maybe they did publish. Admittedly, I didn't look too closely and this is an assumption. I make that assumption because if it was published in a geophysics journal, it would have made all the papers as one of the greatest discoveries of that field, since it would be the one piece of verifiable truth in the whole bible! Well, aside from some occasionally accurate historical references. But even if it is true, so what? The bible clearly says the whole of the Earth was flooded, not just a small lowland area of it, does it not? So it doesn't really mean anything, scripturally, does it? And even it were enough to flood the whole Earth, what does that say about god, since the only people who had access to his teachings were in that small area? The First Nations of the Americas, the Chinese and other east Asians, the tribes of Europe, and all the rest were simply damned for not being born in the right place? That doesn't say much for the morality of the christian god. So, even if somehow his existence were proved, why would I worship such a monster? None of the brutal rulers of the 20th century, the rightly reviled Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot and so on, killed as many people as that would have, yet god is somehow righteous and moral when he does? That makes no sense. Either killing is right or wrong, it's not relative to who does it, absent of any arguable justification such as self-defense. Those who support the death penalty at least have retribution and deterrence as an argument; but since god decided who got to receive his word and where souls were placed on the Earth, what argument does he have? He felt like it? That's about all I can come up with, so he's hardly worthy of reverence in my estimation, whether he's real or not...
"The mind of the flesh is death, sense and reason apart from the knowledge of God." (Romans 6) "Casting down arguments, reasonings, and every haughty thing that exalts itself against the true knowledge of God. Taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ." (2 Corinthians 10:3-5) Satan has been using the same trick since the beginning because it still works. "Hath God said?" (Genesis 3) There's the downfall. What you think, debate, believe, is what you become. People get talked into any and everything by what, by listening, watching, partaking, debating, etc. Christians believe Jesus, they believe God, they believe the Bible. We have every right to do that. And we will. If we don't we're not really Christians. "Come to Me as a little child (simple childlike faith) or you shall by no means enter the Kingdom of God." (Matthew 18)
It’s a shame that it took such a tragic accident, for the school to change its bus route.
I live in central Indiana and from what I can remember it was the intersection the was not safe and it wasn't changed
until after that accident.
Should have prayed harder
Not only are these preachers filthy, hate filled, stochastic terrorists, they're also cowards. They lack the courage of their own conviction
Agreed. They are evil.
Christians: blood sacrifice is bad!
Also Christians: Jesus was the only one that could be a blood sacrifice to wash away our sins
Indeed! And more specifically: the Old Testament in multiple places states that drinking BLOOD is "abhorrent to Lord!" It's one of the big NO-NOs!!!
Yet drinking blood becomes the centerpiece of Christianity's most important Rite? Something that is clearly said to be something the LORD abhors??
I guess "the LORD" changed his mind?
@@britaom3299 yeah, the Lord who is "steady and unchanging" (actual lyrics in a Christian song)
Finally someone pointed it out.
Thanks for exposing these nutcases, there are lots more causing damages to humanity.
You're right. They're called gangsters, pimps, pornographers, traffickers, terrorists, abortionists, murderers, rappers, the list goes on and on.
Thank God I was brought up with a modest religious upbringing, going to Catholic church once a week. Never had any Bible verses drilled into my head, never picketed in the streets, sermon was usually a message of peace and love. Stopped going when I was 13 when i critically evaluated it for myself and just stopped believing.
Who knows how brainwashed and hateful I might have become if I had been brought up in one of the more extreme sects. The Catholic church has done pretty horrific things, especially here in Canada, so I'm not defending it. But at least I wasn't brainwashed by a goon like Anderson
Weird to say thank god when you do not believe.
@@gabbylind3865 thank Dawkins. Since we're all atheists and we all worship him
@@neilbeaton9498 haha.
Awesome.
Darwin and Socrates also.
Yeah I went to Catholic school. Got called a demon for being left handed and had it slammed constantly by penguins. And of course? There is what three of their degenerate priests did to me all night in the rectory.
@@jaggerjards7236 I don't care if you believe it or not. Your opinion is no matter to me. I went to catholic school in early 60's. Much different then than catholic schools are today.
It was a really interesting chat, mostly I catch Hemant doing his bible reading videos or on the FA podcast, so it's nice to see him relaxed and smiling.
He does have a beautiful smile.
Thanks to you & Hemant Mehta for keeping our attention on this pernicious issue. I really appreciate both of your efforts and hope we can find charitable solutions, soon.
Good to hear Mehta at least mention that these kinds of attitudes/preaching are not just limited to "bad white guys" but are probably equally present in hispanic/latino/Spanish-language "churches."
A great pairing if I ever seen one. Hemant and Seth.
I read theories that prehistoric humans didn't recognise their own inner speech and attributed it to outside agency, hence animism arose as a precursor of religion. I suspect there are a significant number of modern humans who are similarly primitive in their cognition and often attribute voices in their heads to their chosen diety. I'm on the spectrum so I don't put anything past "normies", I'm just glad at least some of you are rational.
I'm with you bro I've got like 6 personality disorders bring the crazy I'll be fine .
What you are describing is called schizophrenia. There is medication for that.
Hopefully at some point in your life you'll become desperate enough to call on God about something. And if and when He answers you the answer will be so profound you will know beyond any doubts that you did hear from God. People don't get it. God is Sovereign and is under no obligation to prove Himself to Humanity. People do the same thing to God that they do to people. Today people are guilty until proven innocent. And they want God to prove He's who He says He is. It's amazing how people want and expect others to believe everything they say, and they get mad when people accuse them of lieing. But they think God Himself doesn't have that kind of integrity. The Bible says that "God is incapable of lieing."
@@explorergt8640 The bible akso says that bats are birds.. that is not a lie?
I'm not sure your 'anyone who doesn't agree with me is crazy and primitive' argument is too different from that of these hate preachers
That's quite a handy tactic, to remove anyone from your organisation by just calling them a witch. Didnt i read about that happening in Salem Mass. --- What a creep, and shame on the audience for not calling him out on his crap.
28:10 "They are predators, they are bullies, they are forcing their ways on you so put them to death." As-fucking-if killing people is not hunting people down (like a predator), treating them like shit (like a bully) and using the fear of being killed is not forcing one's way onto someone... the cognitive dissonance is unreal.
Edit: I only watched the first few seconds of that clip, holy shit it gets worse. This shit is why i left the faith, how can you "love thy neighbor" and "treat others the way you want to be treated" and say shit like this!?
The sins of people has nothing to do with who God is, or who Jesus is. God is pure, holy, perfect, sinless. So is Jesus. Forget about them and focus on Him. "Draw near to God and He will draw near to you." (James - Bible)
I am a person of faith. I appreciate you calling out the haters that stand in opposition to the true love of God. I think the only thing we disagree on is the existence of God, and I am more than fine with that. I respect your beliefs and I thank you for being respectful of mine. Keep up the good work!
Great having the Thinking Atheist and the Friendly Atheist on at the same time.
It was really good to hear these two very bright and deeply kind men discuss this topic.
The guy getting shut down so fast for bringing up blood sacrifice surprised me and also gave me so much hope for humanity
Pretending to drink Christ's blood in church is ok though. They are the worst hypocrites on the planet, like all religious terrorists.
Christianity did not rise on the quality of its message of love, but on the quantity of hate and violence against others.
well said 👍
"When fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and holding a cross." This quote has been around for awhile, but it's only been in the last few weeks that I've started thinking that it might be too late and that we are already there.
i think that was Sinclair Lewis.
A lie is still a lie even if the whole world believes it's true. And truth is still true even if the whole world believes it's a lie. All sin is evil even if the whole world denies it. God, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit are Sovereign, Holy, perfect, flawless, and all that is pure. Therefore having all possession of all perfection, They alone can decree what sin is and is not. "Do not be deceived! For neither fornicators, nor adulterers, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor drunkards, nor murderers, nor swindlers, nor extortioners, nor idolaters, nor the covetous, these shall not inherit the Kingdom of God." (1 Corinthians 6:9) Unbelievers are idolaters.
28:11 is a good example for what's called "projection", mr. Preacherman.
I heard "The Transformed Wife" and I seriously thought it was about a trans woman who got married. 🏳️🌈
I love this guest of yours I watched his TH-cam clips on Genesis and Leviticus and when you hear the Bible read that way nobody should stay religious after that
have you focused on the comments on those videos they attract the worst of the crazed fundies.
@@Venator631 I don't know if I read comments on this I never got to speak or watch atheist speak until just recently when I retired for the longest time I really thought I was alone in the world and thought everybody was nuts so yeah tell me about it
_"Will no one rid me of this meddlesome priest?"_ Henry II ;
Set the stage, ask the question & walk away.
('keeps the king's hands nice & clean of blood...)
We are told that the Buddha once said, 'Hatred is never appeased by hatred in this world. By non-hatred alone is hatred appeased. This is a law eternal'.
(The Dhammapada)
I sincerely hope that these people have ease in their lives, that they find happiness, they know kindness, they feel loved, they feel safe and they aquire wisdom. That way they will never hate 🙏☸️
Yeah I agree. If you look at the Bill of Rights in comparison to the Ten Commandments you'll find that the First Ammendment is the exact antithesis of the First Commandment
Those who oppose abortion say that life begins at fertilization. The reality is that what fertilization initiates is an evolution that in the first stages is a division and accumulation of cells (living cells are lost every day, ovules every month, like spermatozoa): at 24 hours the fertilized egg is a zygote, in 5 days several identical cells are formed forming a blastocyst; in the 2nd week the embryo is formed, at 3 weeks that embryo is the size of a grape seed, at 4 weeks the embryo is indistinguishable from the embryo of a piglet, at 11 weeks is when many miscarriages occur, the embryo develops into a fetus measuring 10 cm (the size of a lipstick) at 12 weeks.
At what point can the product of fertilization be considered a human being or a person? What are the characteristics that make a human being? The ability to feel, to think, to be aware. A person is a social evolution, that at the end is capable of acquiring rights and contracting obligations, that is, capable of becoming subject, active or passive, of legal relations.
So when can we say that the life of a human being begins, when one is a person. One is a person when one human being is separated from another, when there is an individuality:
• At 22/24 weeks, when the central nervous system is neurobiologically mature.
• At 26 weeks when you can already feel pain.
• When the fetus can develop outside the womb at 28 weeks.
• Or at birth.
We have to keep in mind that legal abortion occurs in the 1st trimester or at 21 weeks maximum.
As a gay guy, I am surprised how many gay men are still part of these religions and practice the same apologetic approach: You are taking the anti gay texts out of context, Jesus didn't say anything about gay. As for the latter, why would you assume his silence means he approves it?
It's true, Jesus didn't say anything about homosexuals, but Jesus did talk against the rich people and these preachers remain quiet about it. Hypocrisy at its finest.
As a gay man as well, i kind of agree with Matt Dillahunty on this. No, i don't believe jesus (if he even existed) said anything directly about homosexuality (not that i would give a shit if he did). I like progressive, lgbt friendly christians, but they really have no biblical leg to stand on. The westboro babtist church are horrible, hateful fanatics, but their stance on homosexuality (at least male homosexuality) is biblically sound. You can twist that disgusting book any way you want, but it is clear on the subject. Mostly the old testement, but some in the new as well. If you consider yourself a christian and an ally of gay people, you are in conflict with your scripture. I would drop the hateful, fairytale bullshit all together. It's stance on homosexuality is only the tip of the disgusting, hateful iceberg.
I'm a hetero girl but I do stand by the idea that the Bible doesn't condemn homosexuality. The sin of Sodom is straight out described in Ezekiel 16:49 and it sounds more like it's describing today's version of Republican in terms of immigrants, in the ancient language of Aramaic there was no word for boy so when it says man sleeping with a young man' is abomination' (but so was eating shellfish and wearing clothing of mixed fibers), PLUS the fact that the Bible says nothing at all about women that like other women, and no negative anything from God about K. David and his 'friend' Jonathon's close relationship. And the fact that Jesus says nothing about being a homosexual but DOES repeatedly condemn divorce & fornication-sex before/outside marriage (so he wasn't shy about condemning sexual acts he thought were sinful). . . for these reasons, I have serious doubts as to how 'bad' it was seen, if at all. However, it shouldn't matter just bc our country was founded on not making laws based off any one religion. I just think Christians should be made more aware of the history of their religion, how many denominations there are, and how many Bible translations there are.
@Marvin Martian yeah, many have said that reading that disgusting book of fairytales, historical fiction and mythology lead them to atheism. Like i said, it's admirable that some decent christians try to ignore some things in their "holy book" and twist others, but they really are fooling themselves. Many gay men and lesbians themselves try the same gymnastics to justify their existence to other believers. Like you, i am not a believer and am beyond caring what others think of me. I am not at all interested in justifying my existence to others. I would not want to be any other way even if i could.
@Marvin Martian by the way, congratulations on beating cancer. I can't imagine how much strength that must have taken. 💋
53:57 everytime i hear apologetics like this from christians it always Feels the same as listen to a friend who is trapped in a abusive Relationship.
47th minute .... I like Seth's words about his neighbor A Christian Pastor. As an Ex-Christian. Seth has a good (and also Hemant Mehta as well) heart. I like the call for loving (in all its various forms) secular humanism.
It says in the Bible that God is love, but hey, another contradiction 🤷🏽♂️
The self-righteous hatred from these spewers is what I was raised on. It NEVER set right with me, and I left. Many of my ex-friends and family still believe this is just fine. Being told it's God who declares this makes it more diabolical because then it's a holy edict. We need more people like Seth and Hemant exposing this and helping people understand. When one learns this from the cradle, it seems normal. Critical thinking skills MUST be taught in our schools and cartoons!
Thanks for another interesting & informative presentation
Robin Bullock was never the same after he failed to get a call-back for his 'Sons of Anarchy' audition.
The Right Wing Watch website has a number of video clips of Bullock that are simply beyond belief. And i personally think that he looks like Elvira Mistress of the Dark if she were to grow a beard.
Thank you guys for all you do, from simply pointing out fallacies to protecting us from these dangerous "preachers."
They say that narcissists are often drawn to the clergy, and the likes of Greg Locke and Steven Anderson are prime examples.
Blood sacrifice? Isn’t that essentially what communion symbolizes?
Whenever someone asks why I’m an atheist, I always just point to pastors like these…
They are doing a great job of creating more atheists.
Indeed. I just cant be on the side of those nuts.
You don’t need any reason to be an atheist
Without getting myself in trouble, I say nothing about others religion or mine. I am an atheist.
Yes. Or you can also point to the horrific crap in the bible. Any religion whose book endorses slavery, genocide and revenge killings is one to avoid.
Someone as consumed by anger as Locke is must have bad deeds.
Like cheating on his wife of 21 years until she filed for divorce, and then marrying his church secretary after denying they had been romantically involved?
Locke is a psycho who is going to murder someone one day for his psychotic religious beliefs.
He’s a psychopath, period. In slightly modified psychological language, he himself is possessed and is a sociopathic narcissist.
Sir Bedevere: “What makes you think that she’s a witch”
Peasant: “She’s a witch… She turned me into a newt!”
Sir Bedevere: “A newt?”
Peasant: “I got better.”
That lady should have gotten 10 years for each kid, served consecutively...
Another great video from you and Mr. Mehta! Hopefully we’ll see more collaborations by the two of you in the future. While watching our current crop of hateful fundie loons, I’m reminded a lot of Beneath the Planet of the Apes, where mutated telekinetic humans worship an ancient ICBM from a time before the nuclear catastrophe that led to the rise of the Apes. They exhibit a lot of the same characteristics of the characters in the film, warped belief system and all.
I think these groups need exposure, like you’re doing. Nothing disinfects like sunlight. Keep up the good work, you’re doing a great service for humanity.
We should definitely work on their tax exempt status. Their not paying any taxes when these Talibangelicals are filthy rich is just wrong.
@@doneestoner9945 You’d have a greater chance of winning the lottery twice in two weeks than for the IRS to revoke these grifters’ tax-free status, unfortunately. It’s a scam that our government refuses to do anything about. The Scientologists used lawfare to get theirs. It’s a greater holy grail than the actual holy grail because it’s practically a license to print money.
Also religion in prison is more BS than regular religion. There are just as many non believers in prison as there are on the outside.
This is from my own experience. The Difference is that almost everyone in prison chooses a religion because you get special meals, cookies and juice at church, singing and playing instruments 'basically a Christian rock band you get to perform in' and even movie night on a big screen.
Even pagan groups get special meals and extra activities.
When even a tiny church harasses people a lot, they'll be known.
Freedom of religion is perfectly fine. I just really wish our legal system would respond to, "But it's my religious beliefs," with, "So what?"
There is more humanity and empathy and compassion from this channel and Hemant's than in all of those highlighted preachers and politicians.