The Only Jedi Master Who Could've Stopped Darth Sidious - Jorus C'baoth Explained
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The Non-Canon Expert describes the secret plan of Jedi Master Jorus C'baoth to establish a separate, fully sufficient Jedi Order of his own within the Unknown Regions of the galaxy to help bolster the numbers of the Order and help defend the Galactic Republic during the coming, inevitable dark times. Further, he explains why the plan had a greater chance of stopping Darth Sidious than the plan of Sifo-Dyas involving the Clone Army upon Kamino.
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What do you all think? If Jorus C’baoth’s plan was able to produce at least one generation of Jedi, say, with a few dozen members, could they have stopped Darth Sidious and turned the tide against the Galactic Empire?
I’ll just mention that I’ve recently read Outbound Flight again for the second time and a full review will be coming this week. I hope that you all enjoy today’s video!
C'baoth? Sounds like a Great Old One to me!
Star Wars Reading Club I think so.
They might have been able to defeat Darth Sidious, but would that have been a good thing? Jorus clearly believed in Jedi superiority and wanted to have them rule the galaxy instead of an elected body because he thought they were superior to normal beings. Palpatine gained power because he convinced everyone the Jedi were about to take over. For this, he gained support for wiping the Jedi out and justified his tyrannical rule. If an army of Jedi came out of nowhere to overthrow the galaxy's "savior" and establish a Jedi dictatorship, maybe the Empire would gain more popular support and the few hundred Jedi would have the entire galaxy turn against them.
great video!
Wasn't this story declared heretical by the Mouse?
3:15 You said that the project was backed by both the senate AND chancellor palpatine. Why did you use his name twice?
Ethan James lol nice
I am the senate.....
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@@pingaspearce9403 "Not Yet"
"The only Jedi master who could have stopped Darth Sidious"
Zeus?
Of course a god is the safest option
169th
Force Zeus
Isn't Zeus like, the Divine representation of STD?
"Yeah, Zeus! As in the father of Apollo, Mount Olympus, dont fuck with me or Ill shove a lighting bolt up your ass, ZEUS! You got a problem with that!?"
- Jedi Master Windu
From the sounds of things, even if Jorus had succeeded in escaping to unknown space, building up his army, and returning, his beliefs about power and having the right to rule over others would have brought him dangerously close to the dark side. A man like that, in the power vacuum following the hypothetical defeat of the empire, with a loyal army of trained force-sensitives behind him, and no remaining Jedi order left to check him? I could easily see him becoming unknowingly corrupted over time, and in the end, embodying the very Sith empire he set out to overthrow.
Gale New Snoke theory.
Yessssss
Palpatine had a soft spot for Jorus, he was his representative on the Jedi Council before Anakin. Palpatine created a clone of Jorus which was completely dictatorial and evil! Your absolutely right that's how it would have turned out!
Gale Yeahhhh, but what about Yoda, Obi-Wan and the other Jedi that escaped Order 66. C’boath would surely submit his power to that of the Grandmaster and/or a Jedi Council Member.
He actually turned to the dark side before he was killed.
In a world of Disney-era SW films, this channel is a sanctuary.
I know Disney ruined sw
They could have kept Legends and just tweaked the Canon a little...fucking hell Disney.
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Mandolirian is pretty good
This channel does Canon stuff as well and SW isn’t dead.
Sounds like the Army of Light from Bane's time.
Jorus was a wizard from Middle Earth before he was a Jedi. His name was Gandalf.
Elementary deduction and observation that Jarvis is/was Gandof it is. Thanks. Happy new year.
Don't forget his brief stint training Harry Potter
No he came from Mt.Olympus he was *Zeus*
Guys, you're ALL right; Gandalf is a Maiar - a demigod who incarnates into a human-form in order to "meddle" with the affairs of human beings and help resolve conflict.
So in a sense, across all of space and time, be it 20th Century UK, Ancient Greece, Middle Earth, or even a Galaxy Far-Far Away, Gandalf could potentially incarnate himself in a new form, to be a watchful and mindful protector of the people.
Hell even when Gandalf DOES die, he just reincarnates in a new form, stronger than ever. So even as he died as Jorus, he could still come back in a new form.
He could have been an incarnate of Gandalf. After killing the Balrog, Gandalf died too and when he did, he strayed from time which was like millions of years in the spirit dimension. So then his soul was born into Jorus, and when Jorus died, Gandalf returned to Middle Earth as Gandalf the White ;)
Didn’t Mace Windu technically stop him? If Skywalkwer has not interfered.
No technically about it, Mace beat Palpatine in record time
Palpatine was pretending
Yes but Skywalker interference was Palpatine work of turning him to the Dark Side so we can consider that he is a weapon of Palpatine and that technically Palpatine won.
No I was faking the revenge of the sith novel says as much
They actually fought pretty much exactly equally, as if buying for time, until Anakin walks in and see Palpy get scoomed on. Except Palpy was pretending and let it happen.
*Thank the Force!* That was close...
Emperor Palpatine
Aren't you dead
Imposter!!
Emperor Palpatine "A shame"
Supreme leader Snoke Too late, Darth Vader did...
Your wills will be done, my lords.
If the Jedi had pulled a "First Order" and went along with Jorus they'd have ran right over the Empire. Jedi trained as soldiers and fighter/bomber pilots.. only the most elite imperial forces would've matched them but only in large numbers. Even Palatine wouldn't have been able to take on an entire army at once by himself and from every direction. He'd actually have had a reason to run and fight from the shadows then.
Robert Agu That's why he did what he did: Defeated the republic from within. He knew that throughout history, wars against the Jedi never went in the siths favor, except for one occasion which doesn't spring to mind.
Mortechai true unless you count some the games and comics maybe where it's happened more than once. Dunno so much the comics by the games for sure. ESPECIALLY the old republic ones supposedly
The empire wouldn't have existed as we know it if this had happened. The clone army never would have been utilized by the Republic. Also, the jedi already were trained as soldiers and were very skilled pilots so that wouldn't have changed. Palpatine would have had to use a different strategy to get rid of the jedi, which would probably involve using upgraded versions of droids and force sensitive individuals like Ventress and Dooku (who probably wouldn't have died so quickly) or others who could kill jedi like Jango Fett and Grievous. I think he'd still kill them all eventually and take control of the galaxy no matter what
The jedi order during clone wars was exactly this. Palpatine crushed them.
Two words
FORCE
STORM
He was to crazy to do that
not everyone can have the high ground, he had to get creative...
You're thinking of his clone, Joruus C'Baoth.
He had to; was scared of the upcoming sand .
Hello there
Someone else was too crazy to train the Chosen One. The Council even sensed the boy was dangerous. Why can't you?
7:30 "Jorus C'baoth, STOP Force choking Thrawn RIGHT NOW!" 😄 Great video! I don't want to comment too much since we have a review for Outbound Flight coming up, but I really loved seeing you post this! Thank you for all the work you do and have a great day! 😃
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LOL!!! I had never heard of Jorus C'baoth until I read the Grand Admiral Thrawn trilogy. Thanks for some insight into his character.
actually mace windu DID beat sidious in his prime, but he didn't finish him off. Also, Yoda could potentially beat sidious, but I don't think Yoda really cares.
yoda actually had the upper hand on palpatine until he was forced down the room of the senate and palpatines reinforcements arrived forcing yoda to escape instead of pursuing the fight
Cody L Yoda knew darkness was coming. Ultimately the force instructed him to not resist. It’s in one of the clone wars episodes. So Yoda only mentioned something wasn’t right probably hoping another would discover the plan and fight it. I also recall he spoke with Qui Gon Gin who also called Yoda our in being blinded and not willing to listen. Further informing him he can’t divulge the plan in the force and that Yoda had to seek it himself.
At this point is when Yoda learned from the Force the answer. It’s either screen play or Yoda resisting the plan in the rise of Palpatine. Yoda ultimately tried to do something. I also think when Force Beings wanted Anakin to take over the job. To which he declined, ultimately started this descent into the Sith plan.
Force Father made several comments that shadowed his concern. Apparently though Force Father couldn’t intervene and likely the Force Sister (light) and Force Brother (dark) small fights were the balance. Except the Force Brother was growing in power and Anakin was clearly highly blessed with the Force due to manipulation before he was born.
So in short in the high tier realm of the Force, Anakin was supposed to be the balance. When he became Vader his son Luke was the heavy and by nature of birth equally if not more potent. I also noticed Padme showed mild Force potential in sensing things. Based on this video Luke basically was naturally bred super Force sensitive.
He didn't beat Sidious in his prime. During Luke's time he was far superior.
Also unlikely
@@kkruhk1641 Upper hand? He was completely exhausted after the final contest and barely limped away. You need to understand that Yoda's stamina is not infinite, he constantly needs to imbue his frail body and use non-stop force jumps.
Yeah Rots
Zeus?
Zeus Sauceror?
Lamb Sauceror i fukin love ur name lmao
Moses
You need your ass kicked xD
C'baoth comes from Sabaoth/Tzevaot/צבאות, that is hebrew for "armies", and is used as one of the names of god, meaning "the god of the armies of israel".
So he basically tried to do what the sith did, secretly rebuild in a remote part of the galaxy
Would be nice to see what could've happened if he succeed^^
I'm completely with you on this one. I thought about this "what if" for so long when researching/outlining this video MS. The possibilities are truly staggering, especially if you consider two factors: the Galactic Empire lasts longer than a few decades, and C'baoth has a few generations to prepare. It would definitely be a fun line of thought to follow! I hope that you enjoyed the video MS and thank you for watching.
Star Wars Reading Club What if Anakin Killed Mace and Palpy?
Mr. Sir alternate universe where his plan was put into effect.
What would happen is that we wouldn't know who Mark Hamill is :/
LoL Jk.
Tho a "What if" scenario would be really amazing @Star_Wars_Reading_Club , Anakin Skywalker's fate, and character development without the Darth Sidious in his life :)
Maybe in another video exposé lol
note to self: stop putting off reading Outbound Flight already!
Phil Harwell You should read it, it's pretty good.
Phil Harwell, stop whatever you're doing right now and do it.
Dew it!
Phil Harwell
Great story!
Ever since I read the thrawn trilogy -- Ive been chillingly interested in finding out who Jorus Cbaoth really was
Some things that you failed to mention were those of just how powerful in the force cabeoth truly was and the rare abilities he had mastered and his closeness to anakin which may have been able to keep anakin from turning to the dark side altogether just to name a few
So that's how C'baoth is pronounced. I always read it as "Ka-bowth" instead of "Sab-ay-oth"
The Side Quest Gamer Review Show Me too, but hey I am German that's how you would read it.
I always said it sahbaoth.
It's so weird. Not the first time this happened either. When reading The Three Musketeers, apparently D'artagnan wasn't pronounced "Dart-ag-nan" but rather "Dart-an-yin." I hate these apostrophe type names, lol.
so very true!
I always pronounced "C'baoth" as "koh-boff" ("boff" as in "Bothan").
Wasn't Palpatine sharing Thrawn's concern that Outbound Flight would stumble upon the Vong?
Ses Kabob Darth Sidious knew about the Vong? I heard that Thrawn was aware of their existence.
Ses Kabob yeah the Vong would’ve killed the Republic had Thrawn not destroyed Outbound Flight.
The Vong aren't cannon anymore
k Neither is Jorus C'Baoth or Outbound Flight
@ K im shocked :/ this being an EU video in all
Palpatine stopped outbound flight to prevent Anakin from getting outside of his realm of influence he wasn't particularly worried about the fact outbound flight was happening he just didn't want to lose Anakin.
I doubt that C'baoth would have had enough time to actually find and train so many Jedi in time for Order 66. Around the time of Yavin or Endor, the chances might have been better, but then you already had a working Rebel Alliance.
If I didn't have some other books to finish, I would re-read Outbound Flight in light of the upcoming review. One of my favorite books.
minus the plot armor, the alliance would've been rolled over.
also, he would need hundreds of thousands, if not millions of well-trained force sensitives to match up the CIS numbers and technology. and by "well trained" I mean pilots, officers, engineers, weapon specialists, not just wizards with lightsabers. the lack of modern tactics got them butchered at Geonosis, before the clones went in to their rescue. the Jedi are definetly not suited for warfare. and getting decente numbers would require cloning (but as we know, cloning force sensitives often messes up) or selective breeding, but even so, it would take quite some generations. also, bringing down the stupid age restriction and allow training for anyone with enough force sensitiveness.
If outbound flight would have made it, and the colony of Jedi grew, THAT would have been a bad was ending to Episode 8, where the First order fleet is broken, and suddenly 6 dreadnaughts cone out of hyperspace filled with 100+ Jedi and 25000 troops to mop up the remains of the First order.
A pragmatic and realistic plan unlike putting faith in some ancient “chosen one” prophecy ( but I guess that’s all they had left).
I was about to say “Can’t Anakin stop him?” and the I saw the title said Jedi MASTER
Awesome video as always!
I think if he had had even the amount of time between when outbound flight left and the clone war began that he would have been able to defeat the Sith plan.
Really looking forward to the outbound flight review.
Can't wait to see what you do next!
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Correction; outbound flight was approved before palps became SC. However, it was palps that got the funding and the dreadnaughts that c'baoth needed, after initial interest in the project had died off.
Having read Outbound Flight, Jorus would have come back to take the place of Darth Sidious. He was already falling to the dark side by the time Outbound Flight met up with Thrawn for the first time. Otherwise good video.
what was his light saber form (Baoth's)?
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Good video!
The plot of the clones started with Darth Plagueis long before, Master Sifo-Dyas was just a convenient concealment instrument for the plan that Plagues and Sidious already had in process. The clones didn't just fall in the sith hands
Or, Mace Windu, if Anakin hadn't been there
Exactly
Nah, palpatine threw the fight to draw anakinnto the dark side
Is there anyone who caught more breaks than Sidious? There were so many things that could have derailed his plan, but he always seemed to overcome them.
Thank you for doing this! Outbound Flight is such a good story.
After hearing this for the first time, I wish this was the main storyline.
They need to create an alternate timeline. I would love to see a story where Anakin never lost that duel to Obiwan
After reading Outbound Flight, I got the feeling that C'Baoth only wanted power. His use of Jedi battle meditation to bond his fellow Jedi to him, was stripping the Jedi that accompanied him of their free will, and was likely driving him mad like it did to Lord Kaan of the Brotherhood of Darkness. In time he might have fallen, and used his controlled Jedi to have forged a new darkside empire of his own and become a threat to the Sith. He also alienated the colonists on the flight so badly that they began to isolate any force sensitive children born later. In the Thrawn Trilogy we saw how dangerous the C'Baoth clone was, if the man had managed to forge his own army, it would have been trouble for either the empire or the republic.
what was his light saber form (Baoth's)?
@@praneshramachandran6466 That's a very good question. It has been a while, but I don't remember the original C'Baoth even drawing a lightsaber. He preferred telekinesis, either pulling objects in the way of blaster bolts, or hurling rocks or debris at his opponents. He left the lightsaber work to his apprentice. The clone C'Baoth never had one, he also preferred TK, but also was skilled in Force lightning. Though he swore up and down that he was too powerful to ever fall to the dark side.
Im so glad you made this video because i didnt know this background lore, or how to pronounce his name. I mostly knew about him through the story about his clone, Joruus. If you could do a video about him thatd be great, im wantjng to do a short film about the events after return of the jedi including the jorus clone and thrawns campaign and assassination
Would be cool in Disney canon if Leia's friends in the Unknown regions were some kind of take on Outbound Flight, having not been destroyed. Episode 9 is supposed to have a lot of Clone Wars references after all.
Her friends were in the outer rim not unknown regions. And where'd you hear that their would be clone wars references?
Imperialx Warlord The Clone Wars references are confirmed by JJ Abrams, who is directing episode 9. However, you are right...I was confusing where Leia's secret allies were. It is indeed the Outer Rim, not the Unknown Regions.
JefferyCheney Seems a bit late for clone wars references.
Princess Leia dies flying to the outter rim planet called Krypton. Admiral Zod traps Mary Sue with a mirror shaped star destroyer
Dickens Cider lol
Another reason was because palpatine wanted to prevent the outbound flight from provoking the yuuzhan vong who were scouting the galaxy in preparation for their eventually invasion. Had thrawn not stopped the outbound flight this project could have triggered the yuuzhan vong war early and before most factions in the galaxy had a larger enough army to fight them.
Title is wrong. Mace Windu beat him.
joshua bapp and did so handily... until anakin screwed things up
Maybe anikin thought mace windu wanted to build a beach in the temple?
Palpatine totally threw that fight...
Stuart Skinner mace is one of the all-time greats with a saber
Sidious threw that fight because it was the final nail in the coffin to get anakin over to the dark side.
But this plan sounded like way more long term idea, i mean force sensitives aren't that often, and could work fully out after several generations of breeding these "secondary lifeforms" to increase amount of force sensitive entities to number that could count as army
From the thumbnail i woulda guessed Gandalf
I seem to remember one of the novels with a clone of C'baoth and he a Thrawn teaming up.
Awesome video! Keep legends material alive, for the real fans!!!😎
Star Wars canon is better though (I’m not counting episode 8 since that was pure shit)
Wineke de Jong Legends does have it's flaws, but New Canon is a house built on sand as both Sequels are poor films that really just recycle the OT in cynical ways (especially The Last Jedi). You can't build a good expanded universe when your main product is subpar to even the prequels (at least they bothered setting up the wider Galaxy).
Jonathan Ryan no fuck the last jedi. I mean rebels, Dark Disciple and Ahsoka. They give new elements to the universe. I personally really like TFA but yeah TLJ kinda ruined the new films for me
Wineke de Jong I agree, I liked TFA and I was excited for TLJ, but when it was released I was severely disappointed lol
He should have hid their numbers. If he'd leaked that the numbers were lower than normal or something it might not have been such a huge target. I think a lot of the failures of the Jedi and their Jedi Council are due to them realizing Palpatine's nature far too late, thus not realizing they were blindly walking into his crosshairs. It'd be interesting to see how things would go if they'd realized who he was earlier in the series.
Can you please do a video on why all star wars lore considers balanced force to be light side dominance and dark side eradication? Where as actual balance would be 50/50. It has always confused me why all jedi masters have sought bringing balance to the force when the jedi far outnumber the sith (tipping the scale to the light, and balancing the force implies killing jedi.)
Side note: I love your work and I really wanted to come to you with this over any other star wars youtuber! Keep up the great work.
Bob Smithers It's because the Jedi Council was wrong.
Because the dark side was not considered a legitimate part of the force, but a corruption of it. Both by the Jedi, and be George Lucas. People are free to have their own interpretation of it.
@@_Muzolf george pukas just stole ideas from other sources and tape it together space war films and aliens were being made before he started making it as well.
a real balance is knowing both light and dark side.
Just read Outbound Flight two weeks ago - it was marvelous!
I advocate for EU to continue alongside canon. If you wanna stop me, think about how many people already advocate for that
I've never heard a man who seems to enjoy saying the word "exposé" this much.
That would have been a great surprise to have in the new movies had they actually been successful in there mission
Idk about that one, Yoda did more than hold his own against Darth Sidious.
Yoda and Mace Windu. Mace actually beat him straight up, Anakin had to come and rescue Palps. Yoda just got screwed because of time and bad footing but was winning the battle.
@Planet Jupiter Because one sith could overpower every jedi 1vX with the exception of 2 specific ones, and that would have included over 10k jedi before they all started getting butchered. So Sith are more powerful than your average jedi but Mace and Yoda were seen as the two most powerful jedi of the time if not ever.
I feel that's pretty impressive all things considered. Maul took out one of the most skilled jedi on the council and was killed by a prodigy of sorts. Palps was able to kill three knights in seconds while holding off one of the two most powerful masters and was able to hold on long enough to get his way.
Mace didn’t beat palpatine. Palpatine did what he did to turn anakin into the dark side even more (letting him kill mace) palpatine can maul mace dude . I would think yoda could beat him tho but not super sure.
@@griffinclavano9553 George Lucas already stated Mace won. So you're wrong.
@@griffinclavano9553 yoda lost cause of the environment
Would be cool to see this battle.
Um, a Jedi Master already did that. His name was Mace Windu.
I think Palpatine was faking it then. He was only letting Mace “win” to manipulate Anakin
Harry indeed George Lucas confirmed that Windu beat Palpatine
@@eatass1332 books suggest palps Faked it
This reminds me of the Jedi that the Empire cloned (something tried many times, unsuccessfully, as clones of Jedi always go nutso and kill themselves, and anyone around them, using the force). Can't remember his name, though, but through the force, he could feel Leia's twins coming, and sought to capture her, and them, to train them himself.
It’s the clone of this guy the clone was called joruus cbaoth instead of jorus
As a Star Wars nerd, I also found out that he did "Darth Vader's force choke through TV Signal" impression on Grand Admiral Thrawn....shocked and impressed
Here's a question that always puzzled me. Do you remember the planetary shield used in Rogue One on Scarrif by the empire. If the rebels had access to such a shield do you think it would had been strong enough to defend against a shot from the Death Star?
Jorus C'Baoth turned to the darkside just at the end of Outbound Flight, and you wonder why his clone Joruus C'Baoth was bat shit crazy
CrualBirab I love how clones of specific people have a double vowel in Star Wars.
Indeed Luke's clone was called Luuke, the question is, if there was another generation clone, would he be called Luuuke lol
CrualBirab What about a Yoda clone, Yooda?
CrualBirab if i remember correctly there was a clone of luke in the future called luuuke
All clones of Force users are batshit crazy.
...hypothetically, if outbound flight would have disappeared without Sidious's input he might eventually become aware of a growing Jedi presence as he was aware of the balance of the force. Would have eventually went poking around in the unknown regions anyway as fate would have it..
He's in the book "Heir to the Empire."
No he isn't . In 'Heir to the Empire" the character you are thinking of is Jorrus C'boath, (note the double "R"!) An insane clone of the original, who did actually die on the Outbound Flight.
The author of the "Heir" series seemed to have a boner for clones.......
@@spudgunn8695 the clone of Jorus Cbaoth is called Joruus Cbaoth. Two U's, not R's
@@hughjuass1858 I was waiting for someone to pick up on my error, which was made after half a bottle of Jack, and noticed moments after posting, but left unedited to see who would notice it. Congratulations!
By the way, is your yt name influenced by Spike Milligan, by any chance?
@@spudgunn8695 my YT name is more of an innuendo or something. Might be unintentionally based on something
@@hughjuass1858 it's just that Spike had a character in the Goon Show called Hugh Jampton. I'll leave you to work out the 1950's slang!
Yoda was one of the other ones that couldve on equal footing.
I don't think his plan would have worked, the number of stormtroopers would murder the crap out of them. Considering he was an elitist, he probably would have stuck to the old ways of training so by the time of order 66 happen he would have maybe 2 or 3 master level and less than a handful of knights. Assuming he waits for them to have a bigger numbers he might come in after Luke saves the galaxy. This plan would have worked against the first order, but not the empire.
it would not work for a more simple reason: it would merelychange the Emperor , not the Empire in itself.
Although many aboard the voyaging craft may of ended up wearing silly hat's, with this leading to inner turmoil and conflicts.. Those who had red hat's would of joined with any sith that may of been picked up as hitchhiker's. Then the one's that directed force lightning from there can be only one. That's heads everywhere?
He's the Jedi that we needed instead of Yoda. Don't get me wrong but Yoda didn't get it.
Knight of the Republic Yoda knew that, in the end. That’s why he ran from Sidious. He realised in that moment that his tactics for what they had become were wrong.
Yes, but WAS he the Jedi that we deserved??
I'm just saying that had Yoda and the entire order for that matter, didn't get involved in the clone wars, which was Sidious's plan all along, then the order never would have fell.
Orrr had Yoda and Obi wan both just faced Sidious in battle at the same time, they would have ended it right there. :D Why would you face two powerful Sith one on one..........makes no sense. You'd think wise Jedi highly trained in combat would understand a simple thing like numerical superiority. :D Or they could have done what Jorus was planning. Take the skywalker children......flee to the unknown parts of the galaxy and rebuild. Instead of hiding and doing nothing at all.
After these new movies, I doubt Jorus would be written into the plot in a positive light. Even if they "Tragic Hero" him, they would just have Rey, our "Beloved Purifier" (snort) kill him off. He deserves better than that! A message that they could spin from this confusion with the new movies AND have him in there is "There's a time for pacifism (Yoda) and then there's a time for war (Jorus)". The directors have an agenda (Rey) with this movie franchise though, so...
I actually believe that C'boath was well on his way to the dark side by the time Outbound flight was launched. I doubt and generation of Jedi under his influence would be a boon to the Republic.
The only guy who could've stopped him was Gandalf? Makes sense
They should make a movie out of this. I mean Timothy Zahn still works for them and almost all of his creations are still canon. He's that good of a writer. To have survived the purge of Star Wars.
But Mace Windu already beat the Emperor???
nope, Mace died
joey8062 we don't know that for sure... I mean, did we actually see him die? All I remember is him flying out a window
joey8062 He still kicked his ass. Anakin saved him.
He came very close
if anakin was 2 minutes late the emperor would be dead
Wow.. this opened my eyes even more to how blind in the Force the top Jedi's were.. the Jedi that were considered wrong for having their outlook on another way were(To me) potentially greater Jedi. Given time
No I don’t think C’Both’s plan would have succeeded
Jedi are good but have limitations
They even with their powers are at their best close quarters fighting
Blaster wielding non-Force Sensitives are more numerous and are better long range fighting
Even with the Jedi Master’s plan of accepting Jedi of all ages or using secondaries to breed true Jedi, Force Sensitivities are still a minority comparison to trillions upon trillions of nonForce Sensitive individuals
While yes they may defeated a limited numbered but elite Clone Army they still wouldn’t win against an enlisted army like the future Galactic Empire
I feel that an army balanced with non Force Sensitives and Jedi would have been best to defeat Palpatine
force sensitives can generally shoot better than non even with minimal training, so a mildly force sensitive army filling numbers would likely be better than a strictly non force sensitive one
Broadbull, Enabler of Uncounted Combos yes that’s true and they can make better Pilots with their reflexes
And yes breeding Force Sensitives is possible eventually making an army when Jedi require chance to find Force Sensitives making them rare to begin with a downside for them rejecting marriage
The reason why NonForce Sensitives are the majority of Galaxy was because of lack of Force sensitives reproducing making Force sensitives Born from usually non Force Sensitive families
Still there’s risk that comes with many Force Sensitives, they are more influenced by the Force and more likely to be influenced by Dark or Light Side
An army of potentially evil Force Sensitives can lead to chaos
Non Force Sensitives are safer and less likely to go mad from Dark Side
It’s good to have balance between elite Force Powered people and normal people, which is why I feel the Clone Army and in Legends the Old Republic and New Republic armies that had Jedi working alongside solders is the ideal army
Christopher Sanchez what if it would've been like zakuul force sensitives leading a droid army?
Ákos Kovács that’ll be interesting
Still I find weakness of a Droid Army is vulnerability to ion or EMP Weapons
But a balance between a Force sensitive army to a Droid Army is very interesting
Recently finished the Thrawn Trilogy, this would have been so interesting!!! Made Jorus so much more interesting!
Wasn't Jorus the one who Thrawn cloned during the heir to the Empire trilogy?.... In legends I mean
Rob Moore
he did though by that time cloning of force senstives was a very dilict process the Empire had only recently figured out.
Before hand Force sentive clones where impossible as the clones always had a drastically weaker force connection. Something Vader and Sidious spend time rectifying for there person ambitions. Even then force users made this way are mentaly unstable
Emp United thanks for the knowledge
More precisely, Thrawn found a mentally unstable clone of Jedi Master Jorus C'Baoth ruling a primitive tribe living around the Emperor's Storehouse on a remote planet.
The implication was that the Jorus clone was created either by the Emperor (later Sidious) or by the Guardian who had been left by the Emperor to safeguard his mountain Storehouse. By the time Thrawn arrived, the Guardian was long dead, murdered by C'Baoth.
Emp United I wonder why Vader didn't pour all of his energy into cloning himself, then transferring his consciousness into the clone?
Rob Moore
Actually, Sidious cloned him
This has fun potential for a Fanfic..simply writing 'what insidious didn't destroy outbound flight?"
Pretty sure Tyson Fury would have had him, the big dosser
You said yourself that it would've taken several generations for the Jedi army to even reach the hundreds in size. The second death star would've been destroyed by the time this jedi army would've been effective
damn man imagine if they came back in the next star wars like 200 jedi deep and they just fuck everybody up. but yeet we know that at ain't happening
Could be a cool spinoff story... Jorus' Jedi army vs the Empire.
Mace Windu and Yoda both could beat Darth Sid
im thinking obiwan from the clone wars period could have as well he was at the top of his strength, and the master of anakin who turned out to be the most powerful sith later on, obiwan didn't only defeat his apprentice who was also at the top of his game at that time even if confused, he also led battles as a general during the clone wars and brought countless victories to the republic, he ended general grievous (who was one hell of a jedi killer), killed dark maul, and so on...
True
@This Dude that and obiwan defense
Sidious in E. 3 could literally kill 3 Jedi masters in split seconds
People don't seem to understand stand palps was a different league of strength sure Yoda could have but that's a could and he lost the books state that both Yoda and and mace were weaker it's s
Implied that when mace won Palp was faking it
Best video you've done... I never knew about this. And this is AWESOME
Sidious was a master planer. He probably all ready had a plan for this. A back up plan for that. Even a back up plan for his back up plan
Are you in love with him?
madbear3512 He's the sith version of batman.
Beerenmüsli
He is sexy as choas since it not called hell in star wars
I knew it!
Beerenmüsli
Yeah what ever your just jealous. I know it
This was a very good video! They need to add this to the movies.
He looks like *ZUES*
Pity Timothy Zahn never had him interact with Dooku. It would have made an interesting exchange. Both are supremely arrogant and think the Jedi have become complacent, but have totally different approaches to solving the problem. I imagine their inherent need to dominate would put them at odds.
Jorus Lucas
Mr Timo my actual name is jorus. It means george in english. So you are spot on!
I thought the whole outbound flight mission was palpatine a idea to get rid of the masters onboard
Cool videi
How about a video about what the purpose of the guy in the watch tower on the rebel base at Yavin IV was? :)
Gandolf could have stopped him.
Nick Brown but he was a grey jedi
The most important now question is: do the Vong exist in the Disney Star Wars canon - Y/N?
They are non-canon as of writing this.
No he couldn't
Emperor Palpatine
Yes he could.....
AAAARRRGGGHHH!!! OK ok, he couldn't! Please, please stop hitting me with your force lightning! Please....Master!
you fugly
Hi Palps!
Should I call Vader to change your catheter?
Luke found the remains of Outbound Flight adrift in space and her crew still alive in the Survivors Quest novels, so Thrawn failed from a certain point of view.
You mean besides Yoda?
Yoda was a grand master
Elemental Jedi or Master Windu,
Yoda had his shot couldn't do it.
He actually could, but he just decided to not do it for it wasn’t his duty. It was duty of the future Jedi to come.
Mace Windu and Yoda both could defeat Palpatine, Mace Windu actually did. Anakin had to come save Palps. Yoda got screwed because of footing, but had he not, he'd have won. Palps right before they fell, actually freaked out when he saw Yoda completely negating his force lightning. Yoda was clearly the better duelist and better force user as well.
Oh but the shield generator will be quite operational before your friends arrive....
The time line is wrong, Outbound flight happened around 27 BBY. He still would have only had maybe 30 Jedi and I don’t believe that would have been much of a threat. Vader has been shown to slaughter hundreds of Jedi even after the temple attack. Plus Palpatine probably would have foreseen an attack by Cboath. Just my theory great video man
Still 30+ Jedi supporting the Rebels with their combat, leadership and strategy skills would be valuable. Maybe not against Sidious and Vader, but Jedi would be more than capable of killing Empire stormtroopers. And Vader hasn't slaughtered hundreds of Jedi at once.
Ksmudger good point, I didn’t think about them in a leadership position. I still don’t think they would have really changed anything. Maybe sped up the war but that’s it
Vader never "slaughtered" hundred of Jedi. The hightest Number was, only with the help of the whole 501'st Legion, *eight* .
Three, single-handedly, killed in a duel against eight Jedi at the same time. I think that's pretty impressive considering at this point in Legends Vader wasn't used to his suit yet.
While this is true, I suspect C'baoth himself would be able to take Vader. He was extremely powerful.
But what about the clones of Palpatine ? In Legends , I think I remember him having clones long before he took over the galaxy so , wouldn’t he have just transferred his essence and started all over again ?
Oh, come on. Not even in the same combative league.
I always thought of jorus as the main antagonist of the thrawn trilogy. Easily a better villain than thrawn ever was I, to this day, have no idea what people saw in thrawn. All he ever did was hide on his ship and was eventually killed by his slave. Weak sauce.
Isnt that Guy who fight darth vader
I think that was a clone of him.
I think that was Joruus C'baoth, a clone of the original Jorus C'baoth,
After watching this video, I believe that the tables would've turned in the favors of the republic. The Empire would've been born or lead to many wars in the future, after sidious and vader's time.
He is Snoke....!!!!!
This guys story should be more popular.
Let's keep this vid at 0 dislikes.
I like the video, but am confused by the time line for the theory to work. Generations would take decades if not centuries, and Sideous knocked it out pretty quick. Also, why take so many stated Jedi and make yourself a target; why not quietly recruit Jedi and get council approval without making yourself a target? just a thought.
i think cuz he was arrogant and didn't know where the threat would come from
"In this video expouseiiiiiiiii" - this phrase and the voice are alone enough to turn me to the dark side by inducing me with unhumane amount of unconditional anger. You know, there are punchable faces, but also punchable voices and even moreso punchable phrases.
Marthex Arsentiev I think it's awesome.
He's saying "exposè", which is how you pronounce that particular word. So. There you go. It's not "expose", it's a different word from a different language.
sifodies was dead before the clones was issues we found out was count duko