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Something to keep in mind is that when fighting a force user as a force user, you have the force to defend yourself from numerous force abilities. None of the seven have those defenses.
Right, and while Jedi might not take full advantage of that, most sith would probably just be like “lol” *CHOKE*. I’ve always thought about this when force users go up against people from other universes
@@Giddog40 I admittedly think it’s fair to assume it’s already harder on moving things and durable things. On top of varying force or midichlorian barriers. So I’d expect homelander and atrain are way harder to do that to than maeve or starlight.
The problem with saying "Well they just don't have those defenses" is that you can same the same in reverse. Vader has defenses against FORCE lightning. We don't really know what form factor V lightning is. Is it even lightning? Force users can't tank lightsabers that actually hit them, and that's just plasma. We also don't know if force powers simply work in Vader's universe because everyone is affected by the force to some degree. Take Vader out of that universe, and maybe there's no force powers at all? That's why you can only compare feats, not mechanics.
looking at some of how his body works he can " sweat but it would not be shown because if it gets the stuff keeping him alive wet " he is done tho not nothing a towel cant fix
Correct on the potential part. Vader either shows no difference or more improvement than Anakin because he worked to refine what he still had available, where as Anakin was someone that just let his raw power carry him throughout his time as a Jedi and more so used it as a blunt tool. That’s not to say Anakin was dumb, he most certainly wasn’t, but his way of thinking with the force was much too physical or grounded compared to say obiwan or yoda. But back to Vader, while he lost the chosen one potential along with crippled, he was still pretty strong in the force and again worked to refine what he had ti make it even more effective, even taking inspiration from the likes of his former master obiwan and at times utilizing more subtle methods with the force.
Its less of a "could Vader best the Seven?" and more of a "which order do they die in?" question. The only one I can see even making Vader work is Homelander. Would love to see it animated tho, with voice acting as well.
@@danic_c definitely. I think it would come down to if characters from the Boys have a presence in the Force. I didn't think about that before, but if they don't, he might not be able to sense someone as fast as homelander or A train.
Yep. Aside from the anomoly on mortis, vader clearly shows greater control/power of the force itself than anakin. Whether or not anakin was faster physically, vader was stronger.
I would put it that way. anakin had a higher potential but vader, while having lower potential (due to losing midichlorians), has achieved a higher power level. probably because he had more time to learn and master his new fighting style
@@rjwallace7477 if you watch George direct him he did everything he asked him to do. I loved the prequels and I’ll die on the hill that’s the best duels we ever gotten, the duel in the phantom menace and the duel in episode 3 were and always be iconic.
@@13thcentury True. Natalie Portman strongly objected to his vision of romance plot in AotC, and he just waved it away stating "dont worry, it will be good" :D
@@JoahTheThread5ive The comics were made by random ass writers. Disney didn’t create Star Wars, George Lucas did. Crazy how every Star Wars fanboy always uses Vader in the comics but always hate on all the Disney Star Wars movies because they know damn well Vader is weak as hell.
Vader can control minds, right. He could just mind control Homelander and watch the show, or turn him off and take out the rest. Homelander doesn't strike me as being particularly mentally resilient.
Homelander? Not mentally resilient? Whatever gave you that impression? 😂 I totally can see Vader saying something to Homelander like, "I've eliminated younglings with atronger minds than yours." Also my sense of humor doesn't translate well to comments so jic, I want to clarify I am agreeing with you.
Yeah, Homelander clearly isn’t the most mentally stable person around. It takes him getting notably damaged in any way even slightly just to send flying off the rails.
@@michaelgamble2848 Hulk is immortal and unkillable, Thor would be interesting, Superman would most likely be weak to vaders force powers, don't think the light sabers gonna work on supes
@@michaelgamble2848 Sups might actually steam roll Vader, Vader is fast, he's not Sups fast. Thor's hammer has proven to be faster than sups Wally West is on a completely different level of Vader's reaction time. Nothing Vader could do, is enough to bring down the hulk. If your argument is that Vader has made Godlike beings kneel to him in the clone wars, Hulk, The Flash, Superman, and Thor have fought far worse and more powerful beings. Matter of fact, Dr. Manhattan erases Vader.
@@michaelgamble2848that's entirely incorrect. I can't tell if you're joking. Superman has literally blown up planets, he's MANY times faster than vader, like flying through space at the speed of light, pretty sure super Man prime goes even faster than light, it's way too much dude, same for Thor and hulk too. Marvel and DC are scaled much higher than star wars universe.
I mean Vader can just force choke them all to death . i mean he is the messiah of the force , an energy field that binds the universe together for lawd's sake ..
@@Kanoog😂 Vader could definitely choke homelander very easily to. I could see Vader force choking him and then maybe ripping him in half just by using the force. Hell by choking him he'd run out of air. 😂
Doom vs Vader is interesting. Vader is a major obstacle to be sure but against Doom it's The Force that's his major weakness. Doom loves power. Loves taking power. He'll gain access to The Force and eventually take Vader down. One of the only characters I give an edge over Vader.
@@13thcenturyur literally just talking to talk Vader literally split space and time and ripped open a portal in reality to travel thru another dimension and that feat alone puts him well above planet level. The 7 at best are large city level
@randommf3338 and homelander whipped out his todger, broke the multiverse and roundhouse kicked chuck norris. Before marrying miss piggy. It's canon Trust me bro
Honestly, his description in Jedi fallen order says it all. Few survive an encounter with the most powerful Sith in the Galaxy. Escape is the only chance of survival.
Came here to say this, really. Qui-Gon said in Ep I: "He can see things before they happen, which is why he appears to have such quick reflexes. It's a Jedi trait". Vader would be able to sense A-Train coming and either stop him in his tracks with the Force, as you have said, or just put his Lightsaber in the area to intercept him.
one of the tricky things about the lightsaber, is when you think about how the only things that consistently repel and aren't cut by a lightsaber is...another lightsaber. So the energy blasting "heroes" like starlight and stormfront have some of the best potential to block lightsaber blades.
@@arekpetrosian4965 was just talking to my homies about how we hate Mondays. 🤣 dude. I go to sleep on Sunday with my boxing gloves on, so I hear you 😭🥊
We've seen everyone in the 7 bleed. Homelander had a pencil jammed into his ear which means he'd have trouble with John Wick! If they can be made to bleed, they can be cut by a lightsaber.
Homelander's mind is extremely weak, he could probably just get mind tricked by Vader. Vader has completely suspended and brought down a ship trying to leave at full throttle. That kind of force would be more than enough to hold homelander in the sky unable to move. The only member I see giving Vader an actual hard time, would be starlight who can just shut his suit down. Also, while homelander has shown feats making him many times faster than A-train, He never really goes fast and fights rather slow. So givens that, a trains speed would also probably be an issue for him. At the end of the day though, Vader is just too strong in the force and would probably annihilate them regardless.
Vader is even more dangerous when his suit is shut down. That just puts the 7 in worst case scenario where they have to end the fight quickly. Vader can live off the force alone.
@@dineez627he doesn’t have to care about the limitations that Palpatine put in the suit when the suit is offline, so he could use force abilities he couldn’t before, like force lighting
Vader in legends casually destroyed a moon and force choked people from across the galaxy, plus in legends Vader was stronger than all his inquisitors including brakiss who has star level feats.
Vader senses through the force their intent to take him out. He force chokes them all simultaneously from wherever he happens to be at the time. Not even a fight
I swear at one point we’ll have something like “Why Homelander vs regular man isn’t close” and Homelander will lose because powerscalers just hate him💀
@@wdeltag many people hate him. Just look into comments under the video of Homelander vs Brightburn. People underestimating John as much as it’s possible. Even here some dude called him “the weakest fictional character”. Like c’mon there’re dozens of stories about crippled people or ants, are they stronger than Homelander too?
@@КириллТрифонов-е5ф I guess I haven't seen that much straight up hate towards him. Most of the videos I watched did Homelander justice by acknowledging his power as a "big fish in a small pond", which he is, and then stating facts that make him much weaker in comparison to characters in other verses
@@wdeltag I wouldn’t even call his “pod” small. “The boys” is relatively strong verse. There’re just few things that make people miss this point: 1) 90% of fiction is about regular people and animals without any superpowers. People don’t get it because powerscalers are always comparing The Boys with few biggest oldest and most overpowered verses like Marvel or DC. There’s not a single edit about Homelander vs Mufasa or something like that. 2) Powerscalers underestimate The Boys. Again, most characters in this series are horrible persons, and people hate bad guys winning. So people get biased while scailing The Boys. For example, I’ve never heard anyone mentioning the feat of opening the airplane’s door. You need hundreds of tons of force for performing something like that and Homelander did this with casual punch. 3) The Boys has low budget. So creators simply can’t make any great fighting scene with destructions for feats
@@КириллТрифонов-е5ф Homelander vs. Mufasa is laughable. The whole point is to compare similar characters and find out who's stronger. And Homelander simply isn't stronger than any other superman-esque character I agree with your second point - people don't like bad guys winning. However, that doesn't mean that EVERY powerscaler will be biased against Homelander. Some may be, but not all - that's statistically impossible
Not only that, but part of Darth Vader’s tactic is to mess with the minds of his opponents, causing doubt and fear to build in his enemies until they make mistakes. He would break them psychologically before physically
And lets not forget Vader has worked with his suit not working múltiple times. He only died on the return of the jedi because he chose to. Because he left the darkside, the tool allowing him to survive even things that should be mortal. As he can live depending solely on the force.
@@clone1eighty7 the current suit is very hindering. Sidious designed it like that intentionally. If he could he could make the suit much less hindering and durable
@@tectamk.thorne7837 He could potentially become stronger on the physical stat and weaponry. However, by relying on those advantages it would make him weaker in the force.
MFs be like, "Who would win, Homelander or The One Above All????" and try to pretend like that vs match isn't a stomp on the verge of affecting the real world and wiping Homelander from actual history.
I think Yujiro would be a good match for Homelander even though they have nothing in common. But strength wise it could actually be close. I also want to see more grounded and close battles and not such stomps.
@christiancinnabars1402 OK, I get pinning the 7 up against other beings to show they aren't as strong as some people make them out to be, but even in hypothetical that's a little TOO overkill
Short answer: Vader wins 100% Long amswer: Prime Vader is not Anakin, after burning he still regained his strength and became more powerful than before. Prime Vader is return of the jedi. That being said, he could use the force to predict every single action of seven and literally just throw them around. Maeve, Homelander and Noir are the most powerful of the 7 so we should focus on them. I think that the fight come down to 2 things: 1. Can a lightsaber take down those 3? 2. If it can, can Homelander fly fast enough for Vader to physically not be able to move his arm fast enough to block his lasers? 3. And finally, even if Homelander isn't fast enough, can a lightsaber block his lazers? My opinion: I think Maeve and Noir go down without a fight, but Homelander is a whole nother story. He is said to be able to tank any weapon on Earth, which probably includes nukes. The temperature of an epicenter of a nuke is much higher than that of a lightsaber(like 23000K if I am correct). So I don't think that a lightsaber would affect Homelander. So really Darth Vader only has 1 chance: freezing him in place and then ripping off his head. So I think that it comes down to whether Darth Vader can rip off Homelander's head or force choking him. If Homelander's neck and trachea is stronger than Vader's telekenesis than Vader can just freeze him in place, but eventually he gets tired and loses control and Homelander kills him with everything he has. realistically although Homelander is extremely strong and both his neck AND trachea are super durable, Homelander could just block his arteries/stop his heart. So yeah, Vader just uses lightsaber on the weaker heroes and stops the stronger ones' hearts/closes off their arteries. Oh, wait, I forgot one thing. Mind control. If all else fails against Homelander Vader mind controls both him and Soldier bo into Soldier boy exploding and therefore depowering Honelander. Then Vader kills or in extreme cases takes out Soldier boy using novichok like in the show.
"He can see things before they happen thats why he appears to have such quick reflexes its a jedi trait" -Qui-Gon this alone gives force users a leg up on most super heroes
That is an achievement after that you should say he is psychically stronger or on par with starlight but not as overall powerful because of the blasts but he is actaully strong
I would say Luke Cage, nothing Black Noir does is going to hurt Cage and even though Black Noir can take alot of damage it's just a matter of time before Cage breaks every bone in his body
@@johnhostetler2167Nah dont forget that Blacknoir is strong enough to tear humans apart with his bare hands and can sent them flying with his punches, so his strengh is close to Lukes. His durabilty is also close as he is bullet and bombproof. In addition to that he is way faster, cause he can outrun cars and he is more skilled then Luke. Luke will defenetly have a hard time with Noir, just like he had with Bushmaster.
Exactly! Darth Vader actually became more powerful because of the fact he felt constant suffocation because of the restrictions of the new body parts and suit. So even though he wasn't able to move around quite as effectively, his powers actually grew exponentially due to the constant pain and torment. As for his fighting style, he ended up having to adapt it to fit his new body. But he was still a much greater combatant then most of the people he's gone up against. Especially the more stressed and upset he gets. You might as well call him Darth Hulk.
I agree Vader would win. But, I’m not certain a lightsaber would work on Homelander. They’ve tried everything to injure Homelander since he was a boy. Lightsabers do have limits of what it cuts through.
If Queen Mave can stab Homelander with a piece of metal then a light saber can cut him, it might take just a little bit longer to cut all the way through him but it will cut through him, and Homelander hasn't survived every weapon in the world either, first Vought didn't have access to missiles or nukes, and again if Queen Mave can stab him in the ear with a piece of metal and Soldier boy can bruise his face with his punches then he definitely can't survive a nuke, both of those attacks were no were near as powerful as a nuclear bomb and yet those attacks injured Homelander
@@BlackAngel66678Vader's reaction speed is MFTL while A Train can't even reach the speed of light. No such thing as disarm him. And even if, he can just force pull it back.
@@andylaw3222 Happens pretty frequently on screen. Vader CAN be injured by just a regular dude. May as well think he could survive the X-Men or the JLA too.
@@BlackAngel66678 Well here's the thing, the 7 are unable to work and coordinate together because they hate each other. They would just rush in, one after another and get offed. You don't even need arguments or feats because Vader doesn't fight against coordinated attacks but against solo players.
Two things that aren’t brought up but changes nothing about the outcome that’s not already covered is 1: Darth Vader goes out of his way to be dramatic and extra brutal in combat as a psychological bonus agents force users and 2: Darth Vader’s suit is built to cause him pain at all times so he’s always getting a boost in the dark side
Frankly, Vader could take on all of the 7 and beat them with the simplest of techniques. Starlight: Force choke, lightsaber strike, speed blitz, tutaminis to block out her blasts, crush her organs with the force. Deep: Neck snap with the force, lightsaber strike, pretty much any force technique that does damage will do him in. Translucent: Sense him with precognition (negating his invisibility), crush his organs with the force. A-train: Use Force Stasis to slow him down, pull him towards him with the force, sidestep and dodge A-train until he gets in close, decapitate him with a lightsaber strike. Black Noir: Lightsaber strike, sense him with the force, crush his windpipe with the force, tear open his brain injury with shatterpoint until he dies from a brain hemorrhage. Queen Maeve: Multiple lightsaber slashes, crush her organs (noticing a pattern here?), neck snap with the force, let her get in close and then impale her with his lightsaber. Stormfront: Block her lightning with lightsaber or tutaminis, pull her to the ground with the force, decapitate her with a lightsaber strike. Homelander: Block lasers with lightsaber, tutaminis or force barriers or redirect them back at him, crush his eyes to negate heat vision, cancel his flight via force pull or force stasis, easily dodge his attacks with precognition, psychologically torment him/probe his mind, slash him apart with the lightsaber. What can the Seven do against Vader? Run. “All too easy” as the Dark Lord of the Sith would say. Edit: Actually none of The Seven, even Homelander, can survive a good hit from a lightsaber. Considering lightsabers are strong enough to easily cut through General Grievous’ armor, which was tough enough to survive a blast that almost collapsed the surface of a planet (similar to a nuclear blast) , a lightsaber would do serious damage to even Homelander, who at best can maybe survive a nuclear explosion (based on claims from Solider Boy’s durability). I think Homelander could take 1 maybe 2 swings from a lightsaber and live if it’s in a non vital area, but to the neck or chest, he’s pretty much dead.
⁸For anyone that thinks the 7 have a chance... consider this (Canon only): Vader was able to choke to death an officer from who knows how far, without seeing him via a comlink. Vader can use the Jedi mind trick Vader can see the future Vader has a lightsabre Vs A train, sense him coming, force freeze in place = dead. Vs Stormfront, tanks her lightning with ease, force choke = dead Vs Homelander, Homelander got injured in the ear "...with a pencil. A fucking pencil!" He can't beat wood and graphite, he's not tanking a lightsabre. Mind trick his simple minded ass that he has some green milk a lot of paparazzi watching. = dead dead dead... He can tank all 3 at once, and the rest doesn't stand a chance.
You might wanna edit your Maeve one to Stormfront as Maeve does not have lightning. But yeah Vader absolutely rolls them. Hell he could just force choke Homelander then when he gets all pissy baby and starts firing his eye lasers at him all Vader has to do is spin him around with the force and suddenly all the other 7 are dead by Homelander's eye lasers lmao.
He's force choked normal people with normal wind pipes. Not super humans with extremely resilient wind pipes. And it ALWAYS takes a long time. I'm not super concerned about mind tricks. They don't generally come into play during a battle. I assume there's a reason. The pencil injury is interesting. But does it mean Vader automatically wins? I don't think so. Blasters ended thousands of Jedi in Order 66. Vader is just a somewhat juiced up Jedi, nothing more. A non-juiced Jedi beat him. So blasters can do it (I'm excluding the ridiculous feats in the comics). Homelander has blasters in his eyes. If Vader blocks, Homey can just change the direction of the beam slightly, faster and faster until he can't block. It wouldn't even take long. I like Star Wars WAY more than The Boys (which actually isn't as great as the hype). But I recognize that this match up is absolutely absurd. Vader wouldn't beat Homelander or A-Train one on one. Much less the entire Seven.
What people forget about Vader's armor is the if I'm not mistaken it was made with the core of a dying son similar to the mandalorian armor which is in their universe one of the hardest metals
@@darthwiiziusWouldn’t say “doubly”. Windu wouldn’t win easily either. Dooku is one of the best duelists in the galaxy and he doesn’t use the dark side to such an extent which would make vaapad less useful
@@eliminator1472 Windu also has shatter points, it's not to do with being easy, they're both quite equal in sabre skill but Windu's specific connection with the force gives him an additional and very rare combat ability.
@bobitzathegodofcomedy5979 ok but like how? Cable out stats Slade in physicals, powers, and arsenals. Slade is maybe more skilled in h2h, but guns make that moot.
Yeah. 1. Psychic victory almost assured, some risks. 2. Victory in physical combat almost assured due to clairvoyance advantage. Force and lightsaber users are powerful. They seem weak when the previous 2 victory paths are canceled between others of them. But they are immensely powerful destroying the command of an army, war machinery or colossal monsters. To defeat powerful rivals they can even sense them planets away and sense where there is a suitable weapon to defeat them. Basically they are skilled swordsmen with powerful swords, excellent clairvoyance, telepathy and telekinesis.
That's correct. Out of fear that Vader could surpass him. There are many videos on that. Vader is still a genius with technology and could improve his suit for more resistance and less pain, but refraines from it, because he uses the pain to make himself stronger.
The title should definitely be “Can the Seven defeat Darth Vader”, they cant but its a more interesting discussion. If you limit vader to the movies and shows, a case can be made, but legends Vader decimates
I think storm front would at least put up a good fight, as Palps made Vaders suit easily fried by his lightning as a precaution in case Vader betrayed him. Also a train just dies because Vader uses the force to hold him still, not to mention Vader just force chokes them all right at the start and most of them don’t do well while getting their windpipes crushed.
Travel speed? Sure. Combat reaction? Probably not, A-Train is so bad at situational awareness and reacting to his own top speed it's why we get exploding human meat piñatas. It's the same with Homelander, his travel and combat speed are vastly different. Both probably for the same reason, they have never had a need to be trained for a day in their lives to be skilled fighters.
Actually debatable surprisingly. Vader has some moments that could put him close to A train in bursts. A-train is fast but slow compared to how a typical speedster is in other media. I mean in fallen order he crosses a hallway in like a second to catch up to the elevator Cal is in.
@jdhughes7057 Does he run on his own power or is it force enhanced? Doesn't matter for the comparison but if he can move at that speed without force augment thats crazy.
Are we talking about the same Darth Vader here? Because in the movies I watched, he didn't just take sidious lightning. It literally destroyed him to the point where he couldn't even walk without Lukes assistence.
That was only because by that point he had given up the darkside, which was keeping him alive. In the extended stuff hes taken lightning and, while it hurts, hes walked it off.
@@jessethehappyguy if we talk about comics,vador almost died to lighting in the comics,normally in the épisode 3,dark sidious was supposed to strike him with lighting and it nearly killed him after the force chocking that vador used on the robot but also on sidious.
@@wdeltag “just a bit” is very misleading given what these people can do. It’s stronger than anything we know of living humans doing. That’s not normally considered “just a bit” to a regular human.
@firstnamelastname9237 in her first scene she is lifting half a truck overhead with one hand for reps no human can do that. She has been seen punching through brick walls. She is like base Spiderman strong
Vader is the real deal. He is a walking nightmare. Along with his combat skills, he is veteran of wars, an brilliant engineer, and a very skilled pilot. When he allows himself to do so, he can put together very well thought out plans. For the most part, "The Seven" are a lot of raw power, but not much else. They never faced anyone as dangerous as Vader. Vader would make short work of the Seven and it beneath himself to do so.
People forget that Blasters fire at the speed of Light and Vader blocks them casually lol. No one in the boys is as fast as Light so A-Train isn't going to be a problem. Vader dog walks the verse.
I agree completely, but I feel like I must point out that blasters aren't lasers. Take a look into the subject some time. It's pretty interesting how deep people have dug into it
they literally dont travel at the speed of light and is actually slower then in real life bullets, you can even look it up the bolts move around 130-135 mph (209-217 km/h) depending on what gun or machine it is
Also remember, one of Vaders most under mentioned skills: he has used the force to sense others miles away (see a new hope when Luke said he was jeprodizing the mission to save Leah when they were sneaking aboard the Death Star. He could sense them miles away. That is paramount to overpowering an opponent when you can almost know their plans/movements as they make them.
I'm gonna say the seven have this fight. At most, 3 of them. A train, storm front, and Homelander. A train is fast enough to catch Vader by surprise and get his lightsaber. Homelander flys in and gets caught by the force. But while Vader is distracted, Stormfront lights him up, and Homelander is free to land a killing blow.
Vader walks into the room where The Seven are standing, immediately grabs each of their heads with the Force at the same time, and grabs their bodies as well, and then turns the heads and bodies in opposite directions at once. Once loud "Crack!" and then Vader wanders off to get a latte.
I never noticed that Vader’s helmet was swinging around from wind 3:39 until now , who also noticed that ? I swear god I am a super star wars fan girl and I never noticed that
Vader uses his new bodys endless pain to fuel his power in the comics he might not be capable to do what he used to physically he has insane strength due to his cybernetics and his dark side abilities are made stronger through anger and hatred for himself and others he was said in the comics to be suicidal and wants to die so he fights ruthlessly and recklessly only thing is he makes a point to make a promise that whoever or whatever kills him must earn it. Making him genuinely terrifying.
To be fair, Vader has lived things like his suit not working before. The reason why he died in Return of the Jedi was that he chose to, he finally let go of the dark side that was sustaining him through injuries he shouldn't have been able to live through, and he let go of that power, and didn't make an attempt to find someone to help fix the suit or bring him to his chamber that he can live in without the suit. He only died because he wanted to finally die and pass on. Also, force lightning is the dark side of the force and the hatred and pain that the user wants to inflict upon you taking physical form and appearing as lightning, it isn't actually completely lightning, so the weakness in the suit may just be to that power rather than electricity in general.
I like how people, including Lucas, claim that because Anakin lost body parts, he is drastically weaker. That is just flat out wrong based on the whole mediclorian concept. If you have a mediclorion count of 500 you have a medical chlorine count of 500 regardless if you are a single cell organism or a Zillow beast. If mediclorians are present in every cell and force potential is based on total medical chlorine count, master Yoda could not be a powerful Jedi. He wouldn’t have enough body mass a.k.a. cells to have a high enoughmediclorian count to compete with creatures five times, 10 times, 30 times bigger than him. Anakin still has the most force potential of all beings, even after losing his limbs.
The scene in A New Hope with Obi-Wan vs Vader was originally very limited with the technology they had at the time, so it looked slow. The people who remade that fight made it so much better and closer to what the fight would actually look like. Obi-Wan was still a very good swordsman at his old age.
Personally, I think an important factor is that (if I’m not mistaken, I’ve never watched The Boys or read the comics) none of the Seven have actually had to regularly fight people near their own power. Sure, they’ve fought each other and the random superpowered enemy, but they’re not combat-trained like the Justice League or Avengers who often take on threats near-or-above their own strength. Vader, on the other hand, has often fought skilled Jedi who, sure, aren’t as strong as him, are at least skilled enough to give him a hard time (mostly Jedi masters like Obi Wan, Jocastu Nu, or Master Junda). So while the Seven will probably give him a hard time, especially their heavy hitters, Vader is experienced enough to adapt - especially since most of their powers are close enough to things Vader’s dealt with before (laser eyes to blasters/lasers, stealth to assassins, lightning to, well, lightning). Meanwhile, the Seven have never had to deal with telekinesis before (or, at least, I don’t think so).
Reminder: In the comics, Vader channeled himself through the force and caused a ripple between space and time with his own hands. He also held back the weight of an entire ocean in the Fortress inquisitorius base which is ridiculously powerful when you calculate the physics of it
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Darth Vader : "All I'm surrounded by is fear and dead men."
Such a cold line
Beat me to the (Force) punch. I came to post exactly this, one of his many greatest (& coldest) lines.👏
Homelander : ”I’m surrounded by sycophants and fucking imbiciles.”
Vader would not even see them as men. He'd probably call them rodents
Did Vader or Valdor say it first? I need to look that one up...
Short answer: Yes
Long answer: Absolutely
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Ngl the boys is the most downplayed verse in the fiction
@@Baldursolostheverse Not really
I would legit subscribe to your channel lol
@@Baldursolostheverse Absolutely not. The Boys max is City Block+
The 7 are so mentally weak Vader would get in homelanders head so quickly
he'd do that to literally anyone, He'd murder even the most powerful like Xavier and Jean Grey
@@michaelgamble2848. . . what? Vader's whole thing is a conflicted mind. No way.
With you 100%
@@AllThingsFascinate not when he is bloodlusted or agitated
I can hear him now to homelander "I'm your father!"
Homelander would lose it 😂😂😂
Something to keep in mind is that when fighting a force user as a force user, you have the force to defend yourself from numerous force abilities. None of the seven have those defenses.
Right, and while Jedi might not take full advantage of that, most sith would probably just be like “lol” *CHOKE*. I’ve always thought about this when force users go up against people from other universes
@@Giddog40 I admittedly think it’s fair to assume it’s already harder on moving things and durable things. On top of varying force or midichlorian barriers. So I’d expect homelander and atrain are way harder to do that to than maeve or starlight.
The problem with saying "Well they just don't have those defenses" is that you can same the same in reverse.
Vader has defenses against FORCE lightning.
We don't really know what form factor V lightning is. Is it even lightning?
Force users can't tank lightsabers that actually hit them, and that's just plasma.
We also don't know if force powers simply work in Vader's universe because everyone is affected by the force to some degree.
Take Vader out of that universe, and maybe there's no force powers at all?
That's why you can only compare feats, not mechanics.
@@XaadeTheBlade ok feats, Vader can use the force to choke anyone that isn’t using the force to block it
@@firstnamelastname9237 Legends Comic Vader vaporized part of a rebel tank with a force shield
My dude, Vader can force choke people through a Zoom call.
Vader wouldn't even break a sweat....assuming that his body CAN sweat.
He wouldn’t break a sweat assuming that he cannot physically sweat anymore as well
the seven is the team that Palpatine would send Vader to just to test his suit.
Vader: Well would you look at that, I can still sweat.... No this isn't sweat, it's the rain... There's no way these clowns would make me sweat
@@fer8agpI got that reference
looking at some of how his body works he can " sweat but it would not be shown because if it gets the stuff keeping him alive wet " he is done tho not nothing a towel cant fix
At this point, the next video is going to be "Why homelander vs my neighbor steve isn't even close"
why mr bean can solo TOAA, eru iluvatar, the presence, dr manhattan and azathoth combined
I mean, he is literally the weakest written character ever, even Daredevil could wreck him lol
My money is on Homelander vs Jack Jack from The Incredibles
@@downix Mr Incredible can beat homelander
@@orangecitrus8056 So can Guy With A Rock.
in becoming vader he didn't lose his power, but he lost potential for more power
Bingo, he is more powerful in ROTJ, he just lost a lot of his potential
Wrong. His poor skills is in relation to the time the movies are made. Older Vader has the wisdom to use the force fully.
Correct on the potential part. Vader either shows no difference or more improvement than Anakin because he worked to refine what he still had available, where as Anakin was someone that just let his raw power carry him throughout his time as a Jedi and more so used it as a blunt tool. That’s not to say Anakin was dumb, he most certainly wasn’t, but his way of thinking with the force was much too physical or grounded compared to say obiwan or yoda. But back to Vader, while he lost the chosen one potential along with crippled, he was still pretty strong in the force and again worked to refine what he had ti make it even more effective, even taking inspiration from the likes of his former master obiwan and at times utilizing more subtle methods with the force.
@@adambarclay5950no this is right. Rotj Vader is stronger then rots anakin.
Not to mention the power he attains from the constant torture he’s constantly under which increase his dark side power
Its less of a "could Vader best the Seven?" and more of a "which order do they die in?" question. The only one I can see even making Vader work is Homelander. Would love to see it animated tho, with voice acting as well.
Lol he's getting clapped
Personally, I think A-Train might give him a but of trouble, just because of how fast he is.
@@danic_c definitely. I think it would come down to if characters from the Boys have a presence in the Force. I didn't think about that before, but if they don't, he might not be able to sense someone as fast as homelander or A train.
@@jakerichards665we can obviously tell you glaze the boys if you say he’s getting clapped
@@jakerichards665In Homelander’s dreams
Can we please note that force lightning is not just electricity. Its literal power from another dimension
It's basically Star Wars' version of Warp Lightning
Force lightning is a simple lightning attack. What you are referring to is force storm.
yes! force lightning Is NOT electricity the lightning Is how strong the force Is on that attack It makes It show the lightning
Like The Flash's lightning?
"You don't know the power of the dark side"
🔥
“But you will!”
@@darthrevan7820🔥
The dark side is strength I am that strength
Hey Vader, I mean post lava bath Anakin, Padme calls me Big guy. And you?
He wasnt in his prime presuit vader. Presuit vader had the most potential. But suited up vader still became more powerful then he was in rots
Yep. Aside from the anomoly on mortis, vader clearly shows greater control/power of the force itself than anakin. Whether or not anakin was faster physically, vader was stronger.
I would put it that way. anakin had a higher potential but vader, while having lower potential (due to losing midichlorians), has achieved a higher power level. probably because he had more time to learn and master his new fighting style
exactly
@@firstnamelastname9237Well, also aside from Anakin from World between worlds. This one is some Force God by power.
Bingo. More powerful and more skilled.
Next up: Why Homelander vs Homelander isn’t even close
comic vs tv series?
just the show homelander v show homelander
Looooolz 😂🤣
Lmao 😂 🤣
Why Homelander vs Conan O'Brian isn't even close
"All that I'm surrounded by is fear and dead men"
-Vader before he kills a whole army single handedly
One of the best comics ever for Darth Vader. And that scene comes AFTER he crash lands and takes more damage than he does from the subsequent fight.
@@Mdhneo007wait what movie was that again i forget
@@Hampter-in-your-wall It's not a movie, it's a comic book called Vader Down.
@@Mdhneo007 my bad I don't really read the comics
Hayden played Anakin so well.
😅😅😅😅😅
I agree
@@rjwallace7477 if you watch George direct him he did everything he asked him to do. I loved the prequels and I’ll die on the hill that’s the best duels we ever gotten, the duel in the phantom menace and the duel in episode 3 were and always be iconic.
@@McFly8245 that's the problem. No one reigned in george. He had full control. Oh boy.
@@13thcentury True. Natalie Portman strongly objected to his vision of romance plot in AotC, and he just waved it away stating "dont worry, it will be good" :D
Vader has literally dealt with _Jedi Knights_ more powerful than any of the Seven.
I didn't see that movie. Oh, it's not canon
@logangodofcandy
Tie in comics are canon too.
@@JoahTheThread5ive The comics were made by random ass writers. Disney didn’t create Star Wars, George Lucas did. Crazy how every Star Wars fanboy always uses Vader in the comics but always hate on all the Disney Star Wars movies because they know damn well Vader is weak as hell.
@@AhhSlickerzWant a pacifier?
@@kalebkuhn9128 So you consider the Disney Star Wars canon? You consider The Acolyte canon?
Vader can control minds, right. He could just mind control Homelander and watch the show, or turn him off and take out the rest. Homelander doesn't strike me as being particularly mentally resilient.
Homelander? Not mentally resilient? Whatever gave you that impression? 😂 I totally can see Vader saying something to Homelander like, "I've eliminated younglings with atronger minds than yours." Also my sense of humor doesn't translate well to comments so jic, I want to clarify I am agreeing with you.
@@57badarse 😆🤣
Yeah, Homelander clearly isn’t the most mentally stable person around. It takes him getting notably damaged in any way even slightly just to send flying off the rails.
while yes Homelander is weak minded, he doesn’t mind control.
that’s manipulating.
The deep is fucked he’s getting mind controlled in seconds
Vader would have a good chuckle at their peasant powers
Vader dogwalks the entire The Boys universe with ZERO effort whatsoever
@tadhggoreyoneill13666 Vader dogwalks ANY universe, he'd absolutely murder people like Superman, Hulk, and Thor.
@@michaelgamble2848 Hulk is immortal and unkillable, Thor would be interesting, Superman would most likely be weak to vaders force powers, don't think the light sabers gonna work on supes
@@michaelgamble2848 Sups might actually steam roll Vader, Vader is fast, he's not Sups fast.
Thor's hammer has proven to be faster than sups
Wally West is on a completely different level of Vader's reaction time.
Nothing Vader could do, is enough to bring down the hulk.
If your argument is that Vader has made Godlike beings kneel to him in the clone wars, Hulk, The Flash, Superman, and Thor have fought far worse and more powerful beings.
Matter of fact, Dr. Manhattan erases Vader.
@@michaelgamble2848that's entirely incorrect. I can't tell if you're joking. Superman has literally blown up planets, he's MANY times faster than vader, like flying through space at the speed of light, pretty sure super Man prime goes even faster than light, it's way too much dude, same for Thor and hulk too. Marvel and DC are scaled much higher than star wars universe.
The Seven are just a bunch of children playing dress up compared to real superheroes and supervillains.
The Seven vs Vader is the equivalent of “Fallout players vs Atom Bomb”
Ngl, Homelander is pure evil, but they would get steamrolled by Vader 😅
@@LWJ_SLS no no no VADER is pure evil, homelander at max is evil
Numbers don't mean much to Vader. As he puts it:
"All I am surrounded by is fear and dead men."
The Seven are FUCKED.
I mean Vader can just force choke them all to death . i mean he is the messiah of the force , an energy field that binds the universe together for lawd's sake ..
Why is the Force like gaffer tape?
Because it has a light side, a dark side and it binds the Universe together. I'll get me cape.
He can't force choke Homelander... TF you talking about?
@@Kanoog
he can move objects weighing tens of milions of tons, ofc he can choke him and do whatever he wants with him.
@@Kanoogyes he can 💀
@@Kanoog😂 Vader could definitely choke homelander very easily to. I could see Vader force choking him and then maybe ripping him in half just by using the force. Hell by choking him he'd run out of air. 😂
Yes he could and it wouldn't even be difficult for him
To quote Darth Vader himself: "All too easy."
Doom vs Vader is interesting. Vader is a major obstacle to be sure but against Doom it's The Force that's his major weakness. Doom loves power. Loves taking power. He'll gain access to The Force and eventually take Vader down. One of the only characters I give an edge over Vader.
@rickjones1924 This isn't Darth Vader vs. Marvel Villains. It's Darth Vader vs. The Seven from The Boys.
@cadeshanley218 And? Thay doesn't meanhe wouldn't one shot nearly everyone in either universe. Literally no one would stand a chance.
@@michaelgamble2848 But Doctor Doom isn't a topic of conversation in this video. Not that I don't agree with you, but I wanna keep it on topic.
Vader “The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the Force.”
The 7 is insignificant next to the power of the Force.
The 7 can't even get near to destroying a planet
@@ElderHickory958 nor has vader
@@13thcenturyur literally just talking to talk Vader literally split space and time and ripped open a portal in reality to travel thru another dimension and that feat alone puts him well above planet level. The 7 at best are large city level
@randommf3338 and homelander whipped out his todger, broke the multiverse and roundhouse kicked chuck norris.
Before marrying miss piggy.
It's canon
Trust me bro
@randommf3338 but dude... I missed that movie.
It was a comic wasn't it?
Honestly, his description in Jedi fallen order says it all.
Few survive an encounter with the most powerful Sith in the Galaxy.
Escape is the only chance of survival.
“I sense a disturbance” *holds hand to his left and stops A Train’s fist an inch from his face* “interesting” *starts choking him*
Came here to say this, really. Qui-Gon said in Ep I: "He can see things before they happen, which is why he appears to have such quick reflexes. It's a Jedi trait". Vader would be able to sense A-Train coming and either stop him in his tracks with the Force, as you have said, or just put his Lightsaber in the area to intercept him.
one of the tricky things about the lightsaber, is when you think about how the only things that consistently repel and aren't cut by a lightsaber is...another lightsaber. So the energy blasting "heroes" like starlight and stormfront have some of the best potential to block lightsaber blades.
They are literally just blaster balts
*angry beskar armor noises*
@@aronsmith3417 Somehow Star Wars verse also has alien creatures which skin or stuff around it's skin can resist to lightsaber slashes
@@ElderHickory958 uzong vong. Yeas.
Just woke up and chose violence.
That's every Monday for me...
@@arekpetrosian4965 was just talking to my homies about how we hate Mondays. 🤣 dude. I go to sleep on Sunday with my boxing gloves on, so I hear you 😭🥊
@@dezaina9961 Should make my Monday morning alarm a boxing ring bell. 😂😂
We've seen everyone in the 7 bleed. Homelander had a pencil jammed into his ear which means he'd have trouble with John Wick! If they can be made to bleed, they can be cut by a lightsaber.
now i want to see John Wick joining the Boys because Homelander killed his dog... again :D
@@WrestlingNele 🤣 That would kick that show into overdrive!
@@rubbercityhitman i just wait for a "Homelander vs John Wick is not even close" video :'D
He's more than a match for the seven with just his lightsaber.
And the fact that he's way faster than the knockoff quicksilver is crazy
Homelander's mind is extremely weak, he could probably just get mind tricked by Vader. Vader has completely suspended and brought down a ship trying to leave at full throttle. That kind of force would be more than enough to hold homelander in the sky unable to move. The only member I see giving Vader an actual hard time, would be starlight who can just shut his suit down. Also, while homelander has shown feats making him many times faster than A-train, He never really goes fast and fights rather slow. So givens that, a trains speed would also probably be an issue for him. At the end of the day though, Vader is just too strong in the force and would probably annihilate them regardless.
Force speed is a thing though, only ever seen in episode 1 though, no clue what max speed is
Vader is even more dangerous when his suit is shut down. That just puts the 7 in worst case scenario where they have to end the fight quickly. Vader can live off the force alone.
@@IveBeenWithBruma How dangerous? Like a me angry kind of dangerous or a pulp everyone dangerous?
@@dineez627 Vader has full access to his force abilities when his suit dies.
@@dineez627he doesn’t have to care about the limitations that Palpatine put in the suit when the suit is offline, so he could use force abilities he couldn’t before, like force lighting
"Canon" Vader: Yes
Legends Vader: 🤣🤣🤣
Not much of a difference.
It doesn't matter if the guy stepping on an ant is a 7 year old or Mike Tyson.
Canon Vader would destroy them Legends Vader would to but with damage
Vader in legends casually destroyed a moon and force choked people from across the galaxy, plus in legends Vader was stronger than all his inquisitors including brakiss who has star level feats.
@@F3AN0RXINFERN0 impressive but I do see him get beaten alot
@@Darth-vade123 when he's holding back of course
Vader senses through the force their intent to take him out. He force chokes them all simultaneously from wherever he happens to be at the time. Not even a fight
Retitle: “Why Darth Vader would solo the Seven”
I swear at one point we’ll have something like “Why Homelander vs regular man isn’t close” and Homelander will lose because powerscalers just hate him💀
No one hates Homelander, he's just weak in comparison to most top characters in their respective verses
@@wdeltag many people hate him. Just look into comments under the video of Homelander vs Brightburn. People underestimating John as much as it’s possible. Even here some dude called him “the weakest fictional character”. Like c’mon there’re dozens of stories about crippled people or ants, are they stronger than Homelander too?
@@КириллТрифонов-е5ф I guess I haven't seen that much straight up hate towards him. Most of the videos I watched did Homelander justice by acknowledging his power as a "big fish in a small pond", which he is, and then stating facts that make him much weaker in comparison to characters in other verses
@@wdeltag I wouldn’t even call his “pod” small. “The boys” is relatively strong verse. There’re just few things that make people miss this point:
1) 90% of fiction is about regular people and animals without any superpowers. People don’t get it because powerscalers are always comparing The Boys with few biggest oldest and most overpowered verses like Marvel or DC. There’s not a single edit about Homelander vs Mufasa or something like that.
2) Powerscalers underestimate The Boys. Again, most characters in this series are horrible persons, and people hate bad guys winning. So people get biased while scailing The Boys. For example, I’ve never heard anyone mentioning the feat of opening the airplane’s door. You need hundreds of tons of force for performing something like that and Homelander did this with casual punch.
3) The Boys has low budget. So creators simply can’t make any great fighting scene with destructions for feats
@@КириллТрифонов-е5ф Homelander vs. Mufasa is laughable. The whole point is to compare similar characters and find out who's stronger. And Homelander simply isn't stronger than any other superman-esque character
I agree with your second point - people don't like bad guys winning. However, that doesn't mean that EVERY powerscaler will be biased against Homelander. Some may be, but not all - that's statistically impossible
Vader would win and it isnt remotely close
Vader is more powerful than Anakin, but Anakin has more potential.
True
Anakin is the unstable learner
Vader is the full Master....
Not only that, but part of Darth Vader’s tactic is to mess with the minds of his opponents, causing doubt and fear to build in his enemies until they make mistakes. He would break them psychologically before physically
1:09 Definitely not the height of his power. Lucas confirmed that RotJ Vader was his peak and that he was far beyond Mustafar Vader.
The moment he said anakin was stronger than Yoda I laughed 😂
Vaders suit was made to be weak against force lightning though, that was something palpatine built into the suit for a contingency plan.
A contingency plan that still failed, too.
And lets not forget Vader has worked with his suit not working múltiple times.
He only died on the return of the jedi because he chose to. Because he left the darkside, the tool allowing him to survive even things that should be mortal.
As he can live depending solely on the force.
cut to tarkin using a lightning strike to incapacitate vader, only for vader to still be capable of twitching his finger to choke the man
The fact he uses a robotic suit is actually opportunity for further potential. Imagine if he made his armour out of beskar?
Actually the suit hinders him
@@clone1eighty7 the current suit is very hindering. Sidious designed it like that intentionally. If he could he could make the suit much less hindering and durable
@@tectamk.thorne7837 He could potentially become stronger on the physical stat and weaponry. However, by relying on those advantages it would make him weaker in the force.
All might vs homelander is not even close
Homelander vs Homelander is not even close
@@CaptainTrips Yup. That was such a crazy twist in the comics.
@@ravager48 Agreed
We need to stop putting Homelander/TheSeven up against gods like fr
MFs be like, "Who would win, Homelander or The One Above All????" and try to pretend like that vs match isn't a stomp on the verge of affecting the real world and wiping Homelander from actual history.
I think Yujiro would be a good match for Homelander even though they have nothing in common.
But strength wise it could actually be close.
I also want to see more grounded and close battles and not such stomps.
What's next? Galactus vs The Seven?
@christiancinnabars1402 OK, I get pinning the 7 up against other beings to show they aren't as strong as some people make them out to be, but even in hypothetical that's a little TOO overkill
"Attack me, with all of your strength" 👀😳😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
😆😆
Short answer: Vader wins 100%
Long amswer: Prime Vader is not Anakin, after burning he still regained his strength and became more powerful than before. Prime Vader is return of the jedi. That being said, he could use the force to predict every single action of seven and literally just throw them around. Maeve, Homelander and Noir are the most powerful of the 7 so we should focus on them. I think that the fight come down to 2 things:
1. Can a lightsaber take down those 3?
2. If it can, can Homelander fly fast enough for Vader to physically not be able to move his arm fast enough to block his lasers?
3. And finally, even if Homelander isn't fast enough, can a lightsaber block his lazers?
My opinion: I think Maeve and Noir go down without a fight, but Homelander is a whole nother story. He is said to be able to tank any weapon on Earth, which probably includes nukes. The temperature of an epicenter of a nuke is much higher than that of a lightsaber(like 23000K if I am correct). So I don't think that a lightsaber would affect Homelander. So really Darth Vader only has 1 chance: freezing him in place and then ripping off his head. So I think that it comes down to whether Darth Vader can rip off Homelander's head or force choking him. If Homelander's neck and trachea is stronger than Vader's telekenesis than Vader can just freeze him in place, but eventually he gets tired and loses control and Homelander kills him with everything he has. realistically although Homelander is extremely strong and both his neck AND trachea are super durable, Homelander could just block his arteries/stop his heart. So yeah, Vader just uses lightsaber on the weaker heroes and stops the stronger ones' hearts/closes off their arteries. Oh, wait, I forgot one thing. Mind control. If all else fails against Homelander Vader mind controls both him and Soldier bo into Soldier boy exploding and therefore depowering Honelander. Then Vader kills or in extreme cases takes out Soldier boy using novichok like in the show.
"He can see things before they happen thats why he appears to have such quick reflexes its a jedi trait" -Qui-Gon this alone gives force users a leg up on most super heroes
Jessica Jones (Netflix) vs Queen Maeve (The Boys)
Not close Maeve wins
@jakerichards665 You're our of your mind, Harley Quinn or Black Widow could beat Meave no diff.....
@@michaelgamble2848lmao black widow and harley quinn would get holes punched through their chests
@lildemonshannon5202 not a chance, they're WAY stronger than she is.
@michaelgamble2848 black widow and harley don't have super strength though or durability..only thing they got is skill
Idk man, i think the last episode proved that the deep isnt just useless. He kinda whooped star light in an apartment lol
but is that really an achievement? to beat up starlight?
@@ziemniak0killl251 an achievement to show he's not useless out of water? Yes
@@hotfunyunsop6196 that? yes
That is an achievement after that you should say he is psychically stronger or on par with starlight but not as overall powerful because of the blasts but he is actaully strong
@@GabrielReilly-jl9yq lol I'm not in a debate dawg but thanks for the tip I guess
Luke Cage (Netflix) vs Black Noir (The Boys)
I would say Luke Cage, nothing Black Noir does is going to hurt Cage and even though Black Noir can take alot of damage it's just a matter of time before Cage breaks every bone in his body
@@johnhostetler2167wrong
He's stronger than homelander...
Luke Cage in 'The Defenders' was always weak when the plot needed him to be. He shouldn't count.
@@johnhostetler2167Nah dont forget that Blacknoir is strong enough to tear humans apart with his bare hands and can sent them flying with his punches, so his strengh is close to Lukes.
His durabilty is also close as he is bullet and bombproof.
In addition to that he is way faster, cause he can outrun cars and he is more skilled then Luke.
Luke will defenetly have a hard time with Noir, just like he had with Bushmaster.
Exactly! Darth Vader actually became more powerful because of the fact he felt constant suffocation because of the restrictions of the new body parts and suit. So even though he wasn't able to move around quite as effectively, his powers actually grew exponentially due to the constant pain and torment. As for his fighting style, he ended up having to adapt it to fit his new body. But he was still a much greater combatant then most of the people he's gone up against. Especially the more stressed and upset he gets. You might as well call him Darth Hulk.
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Darth Vader vs Sandman(Marvel)
Anakin/Vader: I Hate Sand!!!
Lightsaber would turn him into glass and he could still compromise him using only the force
It’s course, rough and irritating. And it gets everywhere
“The ability to destroy a planet is insignificant next to the power of the force.”
“Why Megamind VS Homelander isn’t even close.”
Megamind destroys with the dehydration gun
@@youcefsioudanot even that, like 1/2 of megamind's inventions are city destroying which is at the upper end of homelander's durability
@@fala5764 real
I agree Vader would win. But, I’m not certain a lightsaber would work on Homelander. They’ve tried everything to injure Homelander since he was a boy. Lightsabers do have limits of what it cuts through.
If Queen Mave can stab Homelander with a piece of metal then a light saber can cut him, it might take just a little bit longer to cut all the way through him but it will cut through him, and Homelander hasn't survived every weapon in the world either, first Vought didn't have access to missiles or nukes, and again if Queen Mave can stab him in the ear with a piece of metal and Soldier boy can bruise his face with his punches then he definitely can't survive a nuke, both of those attacks were no were near as powerful as a nuclear bomb and yet those attacks injured Homelander
He would get disarmed quickly by the Speedster, imo.
@@BlackAngel66678Vader's reaction speed is MFTL while A Train can't even reach the speed of light.
No such thing as disarm him.
And even if, he can just force pull it back.
@@andylaw3222 Happens pretty frequently on screen. Vader CAN be injured by just a regular dude. May as well think he could survive the X-Men or the JLA too.
@@BlackAngel66678 Well here's the thing, the 7 are unable to work and coordinate together because they hate each other.
They would just rush in, one after another and get offed.
You don't even need arguments or feats because Vader doesn't fight against coordinated attacks but against solo players.
Two things that aren’t brought up but changes nothing about the outcome that’s not already covered is 1: Darth Vader goes out of his way to be dramatic and extra brutal in combat as a psychological bonus agents force users and 2: Darth Vader’s suit is built to cause him pain at all times so he’s always getting a boost in the dark side
Some say that silent videos can’t do sounds 😂
“General grevious , you are shorter than I expected” 0:44
Frankly, Vader could take on all of the 7 and beat them with the simplest of techniques.
Starlight: Force choke, lightsaber strike, speed blitz, tutaminis to block out her blasts, crush her organs with the force.
Deep: Neck snap with the force, lightsaber strike, pretty much any force technique that does damage will do him in.
Translucent: Sense him with precognition (negating his invisibility), crush his organs with the force.
A-train: Use Force Stasis to slow him down, pull him towards him with the force, sidestep and dodge A-train until he gets in close, decapitate him with a lightsaber strike.
Black Noir: Lightsaber strike, sense him with the force, crush his windpipe with the force, tear open his brain injury with shatterpoint until he dies from a brain hemorrhage.
Queen Maeve: Multiple lightsaber slashes, crush her organs (noticing a pattern here?), neck snap with the force, let her get in close and then impale her with his lightsaber.
Stormfront: Block her lightning with lightsaber or tutaminis, pull her to the ground with the force, decapitate her with a lightsaber strike.
Homelander: Block lasers with lightsaber, tutaminis or force barriers or redirect them back at him, crush his eyes to negate heat vision, cancel his flight via force pull or force stasis, easily dodge his attacks with precognition, psychologically torment him/probe his mind, slash him apart with the lightsaber.
What can the Seven do against Vader? Run.
“All too easy” as the Dark Lord of the Sith would say.
Edit: Actually none of The Seven, even Homelander, can survive a good hit from a lightsaber. Considering lightsabers are strong enough to easily cut through General Grievous’ armor, which was tough enough to survive a blast that almost collapsed the surface of a planet (similar to a nuclear blast) , a lightsaber would do serious damage to even Homelander, who at best can maybe survive a nuclear explosion (based on claims from Solider Boy’s durability). I think Homelander could take 1 maybe 2 swings from a lightsaber and live if it’s in a non vital area, but to the neck or chest, he’s pretty much dead.
He might even slay them in order while calling every step out to mess with them even more
⁸For anyone that thinks the 7 have a chance... consider this (Canon only):
Vader was able to choke to death an officer from who knows how far, without seeing him via a comlink.
Vader can use the Jedi mind trick
Vader can see the future
Vader has a lightsabre
Vs A train, sense him coming, force freeze in place = dead.
Vs Stormfront, tanks her lightning with ease, force choke = dead
Vs Homelander, Homelander got injured in the ear "...with a pencil. A fucking pencil!" He can't beat wood and graphite, he's not tanking a lightsabre. Mind trick his simple minded ass that he has some green milk a lot of paparazzi watching. = dead dead dead...
He can tank all 3 at once, and the rest doesn't stand a chance.
Vader is too powerful for them he is strength
In orbit from a star destroyer and Vader Force choked the Captain easily and ozzle on the executor bridge which is a 12 mile long ship with ease
You might wanna edit your Maeve one to Stormfront as Maeve does not have lightning.
But yeah Vader absolutely rolls them. Hell he could just force choke Homelander then when he gets all pissy baby and starts firing his eye lasers at him all Vader has to do is spin him around with the force and suddenly all the other 7 are dead by Homelander's eye lasers lmao.
He's force choked normal people with normal wind pipes. Not super humans with extremely resilient wind pipes. And it ALWAYS takes a long time.
I'm not super concerned about mind tricks. They don't generally come into play during a battle. I assume there's a reason.
The pencil injury is interesting. But does it mean Vader automatically wins? I don't think so.
Blasters ended thousands of Jedi in Order 66. Vader is just a somewhat juiced up Jedi, nothing more. A non-juiced Jedi beat him. So blasters can do it (I'm excluding the ridiculous feats in the comics).
Homelander has blasters in his eyes. If Vader blocks, Homey can just change the direction of the beam slightly, faster and faster until he can't block. It wouldn't even take long.
I like Star Wars WAY more than The Boys (which actually isn't as great as the hype). But I recognize that this match up is absolutely absurd. Vader wouldn't beat Homelander or A-Train one on one. Much less the entire Seven.
@@Kahless_the_Unforgettable he's chocked Jedi
Yes yes good good, now, let's talk about Superboy Prime against ANYONE!
You mean against EVERYONE.
Idk man. Scrat from Ice Age is pretty OP. Idk if anyone can compare to him if he's lost his acorn.
Sasuke Uchiha>sb prime
What people forget about Vader's armor is the if I'm not mistaken it was made with the core of a dying son similar to the mandalorian armor which is in their universe one of the hardest metals
Dude, Vader could fuck up the entire Viltrum empire. The Seven would be a cakewalk.
Count Dooku vs Mace Windu
Windu, no question. Doubly so after Dooku turned to the dark side.
Dooku is more skilled, but mace has an advantage in his style that counters dark side users which is how he defeated palpatine
@@darthwiiziusWouldn’t say “doubly”. Windu wouldn’t win easily either. Dooku is one of the best duelists in the galaxy and he doesn’t use the dark side to such an extent which would make vaapad less useful
@@eliminator1472
Windu also has shatter points, it's not to do with being easy, they're both quite equal in sabre skill but Windu's specific connection with the force gives him an additional and very rare combat ability.
Deathstroke vs Cable (without telepathy)
You do know Cable is an omega level telekinetic too right? Even without tp or tk Cable pretty much one shots.
@@leeharalsonjr8377 Hasn't Deathstroke almost taken down the Justice League?
@@leeharalsonjr8377 I know. I just wanted to make sure because I've seen many people saying that Deathstroke is too much for Cable.
@@arekpetrosian4965 yeah with prep and context, just like Cable has taken out the Xmen, 4 horsemen, and children of tomorrow.
@bobitzathegodofcomedy5979 ok but like how? Cable out stats Slade in physicals, powers, and arsenals. Slade is maybe more skilled in h2h, but guns make that moot.
Here we go
Yeah.
1. Psychic victory almost assured, some risks.
2. Victory in physical combat almost assured due to clairvoyance advantage.
Force and lightsaber users are powerful. They seem weak when the previous 2 victory paths are canceled between others of them. But they are immensely powerful destroying the command of an army, war machinery or colossal monsters. To defeat powerful rivals they can even sense them planets away and sense where there is a suitable weapon to defeat them.
Basically they are skilled swordsmen with powerful swords, excellent clairvoyance, telepathy and telekinesis.
It's not a matter of "If he can?", it's more like "how fast?"
I've read somewhere that Sidious made Vader's armor weak to lightning... intentionally.
That's correct.
Out of fear that Vader could surpass him.
There are many videos on that.
Vader is still a genius with technology and could improve his suit for more resistance and less pain, but refraines from it, because he uses the pain to make himself stronger.
Easiest 1v7 in his life
I don't know, reducing the Jedis kindergarten overhead was probably a bit easier.
@@if7723 That's wild 😭
Vader is just a cheap fucking knock-off version of me
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Absolutely 💯
The title should definitely be “Can the Seven defeat Darth Vader”, they cant but its a more interesting discussion. If you limit vader to the movies and shows, a case can be made, but legends Vader decimates
I think storm front would at least put up a good fight, as Palps made Vaders suit easily fried by his lightning as a precaution in case Vader betrayed him. Also a train just dies because Vader uses the force to hold him still, not to mention Vader just force chokes them all right at the start and most of them don’t do well while getting their windpipes crushed.
Isn't A train faster than Darth Vader
Travel speed? Sure. Combat reaction? Probably not, A-Train is so bad at situational awareness and reacting to his own top speed it's why we get exploding human meat piñatas. It's the same with Homelander, his travel and combat speed are vastly different.
Both probably for the same reason, they have never had a need to be trained for a day in their lives to be skilled fighters.
@@if7723not to even mention force precognition. Vader would know where A-Train is going to be before he gets there
Actually debatable surprisingly. Vader has some moments that could put him close to A train in bursts. A-train is fast but slow compared to how a typical speedster is in other media. I mean in fallen order he crosses a hallway in like a second to catch up to the elevator Cal is in.
Kylo ren (someone much weaker that Vader) can stop a laser bolt and the guy who shot it with one hand
@jdhughes7057 Does he run on his own power or is it force enhanced? Doesn't matter for the comparison but if he can move at that speed without force augment thats crazy.
Are we talking about the same Darth Vader here? Because in the movies I watched, he didn't just take sidious lightning. It literally destroyed him to the point where he couldn't even walk without Lukes assistence.
That was only because by that point he had given up the darkside, which was keeping him alive. In the extended stuff hes taken lightning and, while it hurts, hes walked it off.
@@jessethehappyguy if we talk about comics,vador almost died to lighting in the comics,normally in the épisode 3,dark sidious was supposed to strike him with lighting and it nearly killed him after the force chocking that vador used on the robot but also on sidious.
Says " The Deep is slightly stronger than normal people"
Did he not see The Deep beat Starlight up?
Starlight is also just a bit stronger than regular people. She isn't very strong
@@wdeltag “just a bit” is very misleading given what these people can do. It’s stronger than anything we know of living humans doing. That’s not normally considered “just a bit” to a regular human.
@@firstnamelastname9237 compared to Homelander she IS "just a bit" stronger. And so is the Deep
@firstnamelastname9237 in her first scene she is lifting half a truck overhead with one hand for reps no human can do that. She has been seen punching through brick walls. She is like base Spiderman strong
@@Out_Heree_Podcast Yeah exactly.
"AT-AT" the way you said it is hilarious 😂
Vader is the real deal. He is a walking nightmare. Along with his combat skills, he is veteran of wars, an brilliant engineer, and a very skilled pilot. When he allows himself to do so, he can put together very well thought out plans.
For the most part, "The Seven" are a lot of raw power, but not much else. They never faced anyone as dangerous as Vader. Vader would make short work of the Seven and it beneath himself to do so.
People forget that Blasters fire at the speed of Light and Vader blocks them casually lol. No one in the boys is as fast as Light so A-Train isn't going to be a problem.
Vader dog walks the verse.
I agree completely, but I feel like I must point out that blasters aren't lasers. Take a look into the subject some time. It's pretty interesting how deep people have dug into it
they literally dont travel at the speed of light and is actually slower then in real life bullets, you can even look it up the bolts move around 130-135 mph (209-217 km/h) depending on what gun or machine it is
@@Spanishman1000 I will thanks.
@@Zel33149 oh I know I was just using the speed of Light as an argument for why Vader isn't getting speed blitzed
@@deathkage779 most blasters have never been speed of light. Even non force users have blocked and dodged them it’s just way harder.
If Vader defended hinself against an Amped Stark Killer in the Force unleashed II, Stormfront is screwed.
Also remember, one of Vaders most under mentioned skills: he has used the force to sense others miles away (see a new hope when Luke said he was jeprodizing the mission to save Leah when they were sneaking aboard the Death Star. He could sense them miles away. That is paramount to overpowering an opponent when you can almost know their plans/movements as they make them.
I like the comparisons along. I find a bit more repetition in the description than I like.
"catch" A Train? He can lift him into the air with the force and make him a pinata lmao
I'm gonna say the seven have this fight. At most, 3 of them. A train, storm front, and Homelander. A train is fast enough to catch Vader by surprise and get his lightsaber. Homelander flys in and gets caught by the force. But while Vader is distracted, Stormfront lights him up, and Homelander is free to land a killing blow.
Closer than people think?
Nah, probably the gap is a lot bigger than most people realize.
He could simply “use his mind powers and shakem like a doll”
Vader walks into the room where The Seven are standing, immediately grabs each of their heads with the Force at the same time, and grabs their bodies as well, and then turns the heads and bodies in opposite directions at once. Once loud "Crack!" and then Vader wanders off to get a latte.
I never noticed that Vader’s helmet was swinging around from wind 3:39 until now , who also noticed that ?
I swear god I am a super star wars fan girl and I never noticed that
To think lord Vader would lose this is utter insanity ,Vader stomps end of discussion
Vader uses his new bodys endless pain to fuel his power in the comics he might not be capable to do what he used to physically he has insane strength due to his cybernetics and his dark side abilities are made stronger through anger and hatred for himself and others he was said in the comics to be suicidal and wants to die so he fights ruthlessly and recklessly only thing is he makes a point to make a promise that whoever or whatever kills him must earn it. Making him genuinely terrifying.
Vader could simply force choke every single one of them at the same time
Homelander would naturally be the biggest threat but vader is a well trained combatant while HL is a strong guy with training that he barely uses.
Vader’s suit is meant to be vulnerable to electricity. That’s why the little bit of electricity he took from the emperor killed him
To be fair, Vader has lived things like his suit not working before. The reason why he died in Return of the Jedi was that he chose to, he finally let go of the dark side that was sustaining him through injuries he shouldn't have been able to live through, and he let go of that power, and didn't make an attempt to find someone to help fix the suit or bring him to his chamber that he can live in without the suit. He only died because he wanted to finally die and pass on.
Also, force lightning is the dark side of the force and the hatred and pain that the user wants to inflict upon you taking physical form and appearing as lightning, it isn't actually completely lightning, so the weakness in the suit may just be to that power rather than electricity in general.
I like how people, including Lucas, claim that because Anakin lost body parts, he is drastically weaker. That is just flat out wrong based on the whole mediclorian concept. If you have a mediclorion count of 500 you have a medical chlorine count of 500 regardless if you are a single cell organism or a Zillow beast. If mediclorians are present in every cell and force potential is based on total medical chlorine count, master Yoda could not be a powerful Jedi. He wouldn’t have enough body mass a.k.a. cells to have a high enoughmediclorian count to compete with creatures five times, 10 times, 30 times bigger than him. Anakin still has the most force potential of all beings, even after losing his limbs.
darth vader could just force choke all 7 at once
The scene in A New Hope with Obi-Wan vs Vader was originally very limited with the technology they had at the time, so it looked slow. The people who remade that fight made it so much better and closer to what the fight would actually look like. Obi-Wan was still a very good swordsman at his old age.
Personally, I think an important factor is that (if I’m not mistaken, I’ve never watched The Boys or read the comics) none of the Seven have actually had to regularly fight people near their own power. Sure, they’ve fought each other and the random superpowered enemy, but they’re not combat-trained like the Justice League or Avengers who often take on threats near-or-above their own strength.
Vader, on the other hand, has often fought skilled Jedi who, sure, aren’t as strong as him, are at least skilled enough to give him a hard time (mostly Jedi masters like Obi Wan, Jocastu Nu, or Master Junda).
So while the Seven will probably give him a hard time, especially their heavy hitters, Vader is experienced enough to adapt - especially since most of their powers are close enough to things Vader’s dealt with before (laser eyes to blasters/lasers, stealth to assassins, lightning to, well, lightning). Meanwhile, the Seven have never had to deal with telekinesis before (or, at least, I don’t think so).
The force choke alone could snapping some necks let alone a full on light saber fight
No amount 'YESSSS!' I scream into the screen will be enough.
I loved this vid. I never thought about this matchup. Vader is pretty freaking strong! Makes one think about how powerful Luke is!
DanCo, we really forgetting that in Jedi Fallen Order that Vader held back the ocean at the end of the game.
Reminder: In the comics, Vader channeled himself through the force and caused a ripple between space and time with his own hands. He also held back the weight of an entire ocean in the Fortress inquisitorius base which is ridiculously powerful when you calculate the physics of it
Vadar looking down on them: Stop, I have the high ground.
Absolutely this fight is a borderline execution