Ken's resources have helped me so much as a homeschool mom. We spend every morning in the bible & his Answers in Genesis for kids tackling 1 question a day. Applogetics for our children is VITAL!
@@thorpeaaron1110 Unlike Christians, atheists today don't even have kids with birth rates far below replacement of 2.11 65% of Nobel Prize winners are Christian, and 97 % of world population believe in a creator. Yet still you believe your tiny group of godless pagans somehow have truth all locked down, while also not believing in objective truth ? ....and you wonder why everyone jokes about atheism....good grief.
@@thorpeaaron1110Yeah nothing says failure like teaching your kids how to articulate the truth. Should of just put em in public school like me so some teacher could tell them nothing made everything, chaos made order, and given enough time non life can make life. All so they could find out that's really stupid and not be as nice as the other Christians. I'll tell you something my kind homeschool sisters won't of all the idiotic cults out there nothing is dumber than the atheist cult and I know how the Hindus say life begin.
The guy that spends a good part of his day finding fault with other people to make them into sinners and then publicizes it which gets lots of accolades from people who do the same.
@@robertdouglas8895Ray Comfort does not find fault with other people instead he helps them to see for themselves that we are all sinners in need of a Savior. Huge difference.
@@tinaanderson5298 Jesus didn't do that. The woman who was, according to Mosaic Law, given by God, as were the 10 Commandments, supposed to be stoned to death, he forgave and found "no" fault in. He's got you convinced that you need to go around finding people to be sinners instead of forgiving them to see they are still created in the likeness of God and innocent. . If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent.
@@robertdouglas8895 Yeah... you totally do not understand what CONVICTION is. When you are Guilty of something (which we ALL are 100% also known as SIN) and you get called out (the Gospel/Bible does this on purpose otherwise you wouldn't know you have sin) it CONVICTS you because you ARE guilty and need a Saviour. Some people (like you seem to be) mistaken this feeling for OFFENSE.
7 billion people with a different thumb print, 7 billion people with a different eye print, 7 billion people with a different D N A print, now that's a God thing.
It’s comments like these that prove to me why God doesn’t exist (I’m an agnostic) Reason why say this is if everyone is so unique and everyone is so different, why has God not made an emergence back to its people? Did he give us up after Jesus even though people are so different than they were back then (similar comment would be about Mohammad and Islam). I am curious to those Christians that say each life is so different but it feels like God has given up on his children
So 7 billion people out of 8 billion people are totally unique? That means the other 1 billion are all the same? And twins actually have the same DNA print. And none of what you're saying makes any sense or leads to any kind of conclusion about anything.
God IS NOT a scientist. Science is a construct for humans who need to learn more about the World from some modern "objective" standpoint. Don't limit God that way.
Genesis is absolutely fundamental for our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. God bless you Allie and Ken! “If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.”
Yes, all Scripture is given for our instruction that isn't the question. The question is; is Ken Ham's interpretation of Genesis fundamental for our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ? It is not, what would be fundamental is that we are fallen creatures in need of Savior that God the Creator promised in Genesis and revealed in "Moses and the prophets". Recognizing this we must repent and place our faith in this Savior to cross the gap spoken of in your referenced passage. Additionally, that passage which is full of figurative language and literary devices might not be the best passage to refer to in arguing that Genesis could not possibly use figurative language and literary devices in providing a historical narrative.
Hello @@davidbartlett6746 I believe every Christian will be received in heaven, each with his own level of faith and with a number of mistakes committed in deed, word and thought, as we can see even Job had to be corrected by the Lord in Job 38. I believe we also will be judged by the Lord, not for eternal condemnation, but for correction, to be humbled and more thoroughly informed of what the Lord expects from us: “So whether we are at home or away, we make it our aim to please him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.” - 2 Corinthians 5:9-10 I want to argue that there is no good reason for believers to not believe what is written in the book of Genesis. Are we going to abandon faith in miracles, just because worldly people mock believers? I hope not, for that would be lack of faith and cowardice. Is it impossible for a snake to talk, just because the unbelievers of the world think so? No, it is not: a possessed serpent or Satan taking the form of a serpent could indeed talk. We know this, for this is not the only time the Lord has allowed an animal to speak: “What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times?” “Am I not your donkey, on which you have ridden all your life long to this day? Is it my habit to treat you this way?” - Numbers 22
I guess that is why you CAN'T let it all be false... That would kill all of your dumb ideas and make you look like a fool... EGO makes you think like that, NOT common sense. I trust verified SCIENCE a lot more than an old book that was based on VERBAL stories, politically edited hundreds of times, and rewritten to fit the present more than once. SURE some of the settings and surrounding descriptions FIT with our timeline and geography, BUT everybody knows that for a lie to be good, it needs SOME bits of reality in it. The problem is ALL of those idiots, take the little bits of truth and believable accounts, and use that as some sort of stupid and ignorant proof that it's ALL TRUE!!! Now THAT is suspended disbelief in its purest form, because it's WILFUL!!! You people ALL doubt aliens exist, but you are 100% WILLING to believe in some weird, all-powerful God because your neighbor thinks it's true and you want to be part of the gang... WHO is crazy here???
@@smokyquartz5817 I pray your bitterness is changed to joy and grace when your eyes are opened to the mercy of Jesus. I’m not sure what you’re going through that makes you harass people online, but know that Jesus died for your hurt, bitterness, shame, and hatred to go away. God bless you in life with the knowledge of Him and His love for you! ❤
@@melindamercier6811 I don't know why you assume I'm not Christian, and I personally wouldn't dare passive aggressively praying for people to try to make them angry and say I did it for God. God's not stupid.
I believe 7 days did not mean 7 days consisting of 24 hours. As someone who works in the science community I am often criticized for my beliefs as someone who doesn’t believe in “facts.” But I stand firm in my beliefs that 7 days to God may not have been equivalent to what 7 days means to us now.
Perhaps. Then again, why would it say "days" if it weren't literal days? God used Moses to write the book of Genesis to humans. Humans think differently than God does, and the only concept we have of a "day" is a 24-hour span of time. I personally do not hold to the Day-Age Theory.
@@ChibiPanda8888There are 3 different definitions for the word “day” in Hebrew (yom): 1) the daylight hours 2) 24 hours 3) a long period of time (“day of the Lord”) If you want to hear from brilliant creationist scientists, I highly recommend Hugh Ross or anyone from Reasons to Believe.
💯. If we are limiting God's creation ability and time frame to Earth days...our understanding of the vastness of God is way too small. There are 8 planets and 5 dwarf planets (that we know of)...and the length of each planet's day is different. And that's just *our* solar system. The current count of solar systems in our Milky Way galaxy is 3200. And that's just in our galaxy. The current estimate for numbers of galaxies in the observable universe is 2 trillion. And that's just the amount of the universe humans have been able to observe with space telescopes. Who knows how enormous the whole universe actually is! Sooo, it's kind of arrogant for us humans to think that God's creation abilities are limited to only the tiny little microscopic speck of space dust that is our planet. The universe is infinitely large and infinitely small... and therein lies the unfathomable power of God. For me, the more science I learn, the stronger my faith becomes. It is all just so beautiful and complex and awe-inspiring! Lets not put God in a tiny box!
Ken Ham is such a blessing. So clear, perceptive, and consistent in his presentation. Praise God for him and his godly parents, who taught his to stand steadfastly on the Word of God.
@@jammystarfish It's well reported that he lost a lot of money on it. But at least he didn't house the poor. Just got attention for himself and made people fight.
I’ve been listening to Ken Ham since I was a little kid. I appreciate him and his work, however I’ve come to believe he is wrong to tie 6 day creationism to biblical inerrancy. It sets up a false conflict that has led directly to many young Christians deconstructing their faith. He would do well to acknowledge that there ARE actually plausible alternative interpretations that uphold the integrity of scripture and are intellectually rigorous (not that I necessarily believe them), and a six 24 hour day creation was not what the church held to for most of its history.
@josephpchajek2685 That's a strong opinion you hold. It's Gods business either way- have you tried trysting God on it? Do you see Genesis as Gods word? Go take a look at the sediment in person, it was recent. And those unconformities? It wasn't glaciers. You should take the time to go figure this out
I went to the creation museum almost two weeks ago and the ark encounter. I love Ken Ham if you go to the creation museum make sure you see the planetarium and learn how the stars themselves disprove the millions or billions of years theories. Its so beautiful and oh my the adorable little amish children in there suspenders. Ironically me and my husband wanted to go when school was in so it wouldn't be so crowded. The first day we realized there was a lot of kids, (most behaved children Id ever seen). But anyways my husband and I realized the reason they weren't starting school that week is because a lot of Christians homeschool. We both laughed at the fact neither one of us thought of that because we had conversations that if God had given us children we never would of put them in public school. F.Y.I we both went to public school. I don't apologize for my opinions on public school but I do apologize for my bad grammer. Sorry I went to public school.
Please don't vote. Amount of tax money and cuts that went to that nonsense is disgusting. That money actually went to go and help people of the state. Instead Ken's lobbying bribed lawmakers in that state to build a lie.
I asked my Dad (a very devoted man of Christ) one time why the Bible never mentioned the dinosaurs. His reply, "that's one of those questions that you will find out the answer to when you get to Heaven, if you get to Heaven."
But they are in the Bible, they just weren’t called “dinosaurs”. The word wasn’t invented until mid 19th century. In the Bible they mentioned creatures called “Behemoth” and “Leviathan” which are thought to be dinosaurs based on the descriptions given.
They were often called beasts or dragons in the Bible. Dinosaurs is a “new” word relatively speaking. If you check out Answers in Genesis on youtube, there are videos with archaeologists going through a plethora of ancient archaeological findings of dinosaurs (undeniably so) depicted along with the average animal kinds we see these days, long before any such fossils were uncovered.
@@jamarsilia you can be skeptical of that, I certainly was, but the amount of archaeological and soft-tissue evidence for post-diluvian evidence of dinosaurs is too numerous to say otherwise in my opinion. Please pray for a bit of humility in realizing we don’t know it all. And then ask yourself sincerely why you find the need to be so sarcastic and why significantly smarter and more educated and experienced Bible believing Christians in paleontology and archaeology certainly believe there were small dinosaurs on the ark.
Doesn’t the Bible say that a thousand years is like a day unto God? Couldn’t that be a possibility that when a day is referenced that many thousands of years were encompassed into that? Obviously we can’t know for sure nor is it crucial for salvation but it’s an interesting possibility
Great question! However... You have to consider the order in which things were created... For example, could plants and animal life survive for a thousand years without sun?
The Hebrew doesn't allow that interpretation. The Jewish word for day when followed by a number, or the words evening and morning, only means a 24 hour day.
God is outside of time, he made time, 24 hours for Earth for those inhabitants inside the firmament. So 1 day To us IS like a 10000 for him because he is OUTSIDE of our time, but it is clear that he wanted to make it clear that he made the earth in 6 days that’s why after every day he said there was morning and there was evening and that was one day …… couldn’t be more clear
Hebrew word day is Yom, 4 different meanings , part of the day , all of the daylight hours , 24 hours , and period of time , Evening and morning In the Hebrew means something was started and finished. When Adam saw the woman that God created , he used the Hebrew word HAPAM , which means at long last. No evening and morning for the seventh day , we are still in it, Hebrews 4. God is still resting from his acts of creation . But one day the sabbath will come to a close and God will create again,Rev 21
@Ham549 the speed of light is not a constant. Look it up. Also, many assumptions are involved in measuring distances in space. In short, they do address your objection, Institute for Creation Research has much on the topic as well, if you are actually interested.
Ken Ham: The universe is only 5,000 years old. Me: So we shouldn't be able to see anything that's past 5,000 light years away in space at that light wouldn't have been able to reach us yet. Ken Ham: Well God's all-powerful and can make the light appear here. Me: So God's deceiving us 🤔?
You're putting God in a box. When we say He can do anything, we really mean anything. We believe the universe was created with age. Adam and Eve weren't babies when God created them, and neither was a lot of other stuff. With that starting point, why wouldn't we be able to see stuff past 5000 light years?
God created a mature universe. The trees were already mature, the chicken God created was not an egg but a bird, the human beings were mature adults, not babies, and the light waves had already reached the earth. Our God is awesome in His power to create!
What you really need to ask is are Dragons real? The name dinosaur was a remake of the term dragon. There are thousands of pictorials of 'dragons ' in historical buildings and sites. 44:34 i see i spoke too soon 😏
This man is truly being used by the Lord! It is such a breath of fresh air to hear the Biblical account for creation explained. This man has helped me so much in my faith as I struggled to reconcile faith and what I had been told at school for years. May God bless you Mr. Ken Ham, and you, Allie, for having him!
Please don't vote. Amount of tax money and cuts that went to Ken's ark "museum" that is nonsense is disgusting. That money actually went to go and help people of the state. Instead Ken's lobbying bribed lawmakers in that state to build a lie.
The age of the earth has always been a debated topic in the church. To say that this debate is a result of modern science or Darwinism is just not true. St. Iraneus (whose mentor was taught by John himself), Cyprian, and Origen are all examples of churchmen who openly taught that the first few chapters are to be interpreted figuratively. But they all also believed in a literal historical Adam and Eve. Old earth creationism isn’t new in the church. Nor does it require one to abandon the literal history of genesis 1-11 which comes to us in a figurative genre of literature.
You are absolutely right. I have adopted the Old Earth view taught by Dr. John Walton and the late Michael Heiser. The position is that Genesis 1 is about God assigning functionaries to His creation and not absolute material creation. God indeed created all things materially yes, but Genesis 1 is not talking about that. All material creation would have been created before Genesis 1. This view is understanding the Ancient Near East’s perspective of how the ancients understood the cosmos. All of them (even ancient Israelites) were less concerned about the material of something, their concern was whether something functioned properly. For example, today, we see the sun and say it is a star, made up of gases etc… but to the ancients, they didn’t care what it was or what it was made of, all they cared about what that it was an entity that provided light, heat, and somehow allowed their crops and livestock to thrive and flourish. That’s why in the prophetic writings the sun being darkened or the stars falling from the heavens was not to be taken literally but symbolically to refer to the fall of a nation or the fall of the political leadership of that nation.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today. The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is: Sunrise to sunset Sunset to next sunset Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ). We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast. Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains". The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours. Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
I couldn't help but sing Buddy Davis' Billions of Dead Things' during the discussion of the Flood. Great episode! As a science teacher at a Christian School, most of this information I've already studied and nerding out about. This discussion doesn't even scratch the surface of what topics i see being debated in the comments. The documentary "Is Genesis History?" By Del Tackett is another great resource if people are looking for more scientific proof about a world wide catastrophic flood. Answers in Genesis is a great resources that covers so many topics of devate such as the Ice Age and animal movement after the flood, speciation of the kinds of animals, dragon legends, Native American Petroglyphs of dinosaurs found in Utah and Arizona and so much more. Can't wait for part 2!
It's always funny how beLIEvers justify something they can't evidence and try to cite some sort of misunderstanding of the science. The question is this: How did the educational system fail you so badly that you ignore facts? There was no global flood during the time humans existed. This is not a debatable thing, it's a conclusion drawn from the LACK of ANY scientific evidence that a flood happened during this specific stage in time. The lack of a cogent definition and the lack of a qualitative model shows what this is about. Simply, this is people wanting to beLIEve despite the facts.
Since coming to Christ, this has been on of my favorite topics! I never cared much about dinosaurs because why would I care about an animal from millions of years ago? But now, they are just fascinating!! Would love to hear an interview about the topic of global warming.
My 9 year old loves Dinos and last week he was looking at a pic of an alligator and goes “I think Dinos are in the same family as alligators.” Well buddy…you are probably right! Loved this episode!
Allie, please give time to Reasons to Believe Hugh Ross or Fuz Rana. They give Biblical evidence that coincides with an old earth. (Not evolution from one species to another). If you see the earth and its layers of is obvious the earth is not young, and scientifically minded youth will see the problem.
The earth is covered in rapid layed tectonic deposits. There was an event. That event caused all the volcanos ' ring of fire' look them up. This brought on the ice age. It was recent. Go look at the sediment up close.
Hugh Ross rejects catastrophism, such as the worldwide Flood. The rock layers were all laid down in the Flood. Despite Charles Lyell's best efforts to disprove the Bible with uniformitarianism, it did not take millions of years for those rock layers to form. Evidence against uniformitarianism: polystrate fossils, Mt. St. Helens, unfracturered bent rock layers, and lack of evidence for ancient bioturbation. I've also never heard Hugh Ross provide a satisfactory answer on how death, cancer, and thorns could have existed before sin (a heretical position to which he holds) without having to appeal to a non-biblical, non-scientific mythological tale.
Did God have to create the earth looking young? When the world first began it was in water. It was literally waste and God began to make it habitable but does that mean he made it look perfect? No, There were hills and mountains early on so we shouldn’t expect that when God created the world we should have been able to examen it and see that at the time it was young.
I am both a Christian and a science scholar and I am just continually disappointed in Christians' inability to see and understand nuance. Science proving that the earth is 4.6 billion years old and believing the creation account in Genesis is hyperbole does not all of a sudden mean there is no God and no creation. This digging in heels and insisting Genesis is literal and that the earth is only 6000 years old is the worst case of putting God in a box I've ever seen. To use the same argument back...how do you know the earth is 6000 years old...were you there? Carbon dating and other forms of dating things is not based on belief. It is based on empirical evidence that can be tested and proven over and over and over consistently. Thinking that the earth is only 6000 years old is *really* limiting what we think God is capable of. The evidence continues to prove over and over that the earth is 4.6 billion years old, and that the universe is 13-26 billion years old. This fact is so mind boggling that it makes me even more in awe of God and the vastness of God's incredible creation! Just thinking about it affirms and strengthens my belief God every time. It just gives us a tiny glimpse at the vast capabilities of God that surpasses all human understanding. When it comes to evolution...same thing. Carbon dating *proves* consistently over and over that life on earth has exsisted for at least 3.7 billion years. Darwin certainly didn't get every detail right, but he got the big picture right. Darwin was Christian until around 40 when he became agnostic. But he was never an atheist because he recognized it takes just as much faith to not believe in God as it takes to believe in God. But he did not have an agenda, he was just observing and recording what was. Yes, evil people through history have used natural selection as an excuse for committing horrendous atrocities. But the thing is, those people were performing *intentional* selection...NOT natural selection. No one takes *everything* in the Bible literally. Anyone can basically provide passages from scripture to argue pretty much any contradicting points they want. To really find meaning in the Bible, you have to read it according to the context of the various eras and cultures the books were written in. We have to use both the faculty of reason God gave us, and read with discernment. I think it's fallible to believe the Bible is infallible. It may have been inspired by an infallible God, but it was written by fallible humans. The measuring stick I use when reading scripture is the character of Jesus. If it aligns with His teachings, it is likely from God. If it contradicts His teachings, it is likely from humans. Science does not disprove God's existence at all! Science just helps us understand the unfathomable complexity of God's creation. It explains the "how" ... but our faith explains "why." These things are not contradictory. Science helps us understand the incredible systems God created and set into motion. I believe God absolutely has a hand in all these processes, including the slow processes of geology and evolution! The sooner we can get rid of this false dichotomy between God and science, the better.
@einarabelc5273 You're just proving my point that some of y'all are incapable of understanding nuance and shades of gray. You can take Darwin out of it if you want and separate the concept from the person. What matters is that the biological concept is correct and provable. The scientific community has continued to only prove and improve on our understanding of evolution. Every dating system and continuous study of biology for the last 150 years has only solidified the fact that evolution is the law of constant change that ALL life on earth obeys. It is mind boggling and beautiful and continues to affirm my awe of the processes God set in motion. Science strengthens my faith!
I was with you until "I think it's fallible to believe the Bible is infallible. It may have been inspired by an infallible God, but it was written by fallible humans. The measuring stick I use when reading scripture is the character of Jesus. If it aligns with His teachings, it is likely from God. If it contradicts His teachings, it is likely from humans." Scripture claims infallibility and describes inspiration as fallible humans only writing what an infallible God told them to write. Certainly the writers were fallible, but not when they penned the Scriptures because Scripture is God's Words not theirs. Your measuring stick places the decision of what is infallible on fallible man not an infallible God. If Scripture is written by fallible men then how do you know that "the character of Jesus" is correctly portrayed? Certainly, we as fallible men can make mistakes in interpretation, but that doesn't change the infallible character of the Scriptures; it just highlights our own shortcomings, e.g. fallibility.
@davidbartlett6746 well the Bible was written by man....and edited and translated many times throughout the centuries. We don't have any "bibles" from the time Jesus was alive. The copies of the Bible we have are from hundreds and hundreds of years after his death. Jesus was also from the middle east.... he would look nothing like the European style Jesus everyone has hanging on their wall. So his image has been corrupted...why wouldn't you think some books a bunch of random people wrote wouldn't be?
@@thomaslove6494 The "bible" that was in existence at the time of Jesus (1st Century) was what we would refer to as the Old Testament, and though we do not have a complete "bible" we do have portions contemporary to and proceeding the time of Jesus in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Additionally, even though the earliest copy of the complete New Testament we have is a few hundred years after the time of Jesus there are manuscripts of portions of the New Testament that are much closer. Further, scholars, secular and religious, date the writing of many of the books through internal analysis to within decades not centuries of Jesus' death. Admittedly, that does not prove the infallibility of Scripture, however it does provide strong evidence that the form of the New Testament if changed from the original is slight and not a corrupted, unrecognizable copy of the original, similar to your analogy concerning Jesus' image. BTW, the Bible doesn't really describe Jesus' appearance nor do we have any pictures, so the European Jesus is simply a creation of man from whole cloth, and not a corrupted copy of a past image.
@@davidbartlett6746 I understand the Bible contains historical facts and is an invaluable resource to historians. But it is written in an extremely biased way of course. The only things in the Bible than can be used for historical record are the parts Corroborated by other unbiased sources. Everything else must be taken as myth and legend made up by men who had an agenda in furthering their beliefs. The Bible is a work of literature...not history.
Ken Ham visited our church here in Sydney Australia back in the 1990s. I've listened to him many times over the years and keep building on my belief of a young earth. I love the way he breaks it all down and explains it so clearly. Thank you.
You know, I've started thinking that the earth could be old because Gemesis picks up when God had already cast Satan out of heaven. We dont know the time frame between that event that plunged the earth into its condition and when God created creation. I'm sure it's not billions of years but I wonder about that.
I absolutely love that you're talking with Ken Ham! I got to meet him at Sherwood Baptist Church in Georgia. It was awesome! He's fantastic. And in person in your studio no less!
Ken Ham is so off. People believed (including many major church fathers) in old earth years before the scientific revolution. Gavin Ortlund dismantled Ham’s arguments very thoroughly and yet lovingly.
Literally not one of the original church fathers that I have seen believed in millions of years. They believed differently about the days, Augustine thought it was instant and some others thought it could’ve been 15 thousand or so years old. Not one thought of millions of years, that literally came after Darwinism.
Whenever I feel in the mood for a good laugh, I only need to tune in to Ken. I’ll admit that, in my sane moments, it does puzzle me that anyone who thinks they have an adult intellect believes such a load of arrogant drivel.
Fantastic conversation! You know, while you're at it, I would recommend you interview paleontologist Marcus Ross as he may add some more meat to this subject!
I love Ken as a brother, but I respectfully disagree with most of this. I am at least very appreciative that he finally has clarified that Old Earth Creationists (OECs) are indeed Christians, contrary to what he has implied before in previous discussions and taken some heat for. He stereotypes OECs as purporting "I don't believe Gen 1-11 is literal because evolution says so". He doesn't share the actual primary reason behind many of these Christians' belief in OEC, which is not the science, but rather analyzing the literary genre of Genesis so that we can do a correct hermeneutical reading of the text. In the video, Ken says "why do people take Gen 1-11 in particular [as allegory], and why not other parts of Scripture?". Well Ken, Christians DO actually take other parts of Scripture non-literally. Revelation is apocalyptical imagery, the Psalms are poetry, the prophets are highly hyperbolic, and the parables in the gospels are not to be read literally. He makes it sound like Christians take all the rest of scripture as woodenly literal too! How Ken "missed" this basic fact of biblical hermeneutics is astounding. What he needs to do is provide reasons, from the Scriptural text of Genesis itself, for why he classifies Genesis 1-11 into the literary genre of literalistic historical biography when more than 1/3 of the Hebrew OT is not in this genre. The Bible is not a scientific textbook. It's purpose is not to teach us a botany lesson on mustard seeds being the smallest of all seeds (Mark 4:31), that the Sun revolves around Earth (Psalm 104:5, etc), that a literal dragon will walk onto the land (Rev 13), or that snakes and God both once walked around on legs (Gen 3:8-13).
You have no scientific textbooks that aren't hand squiggles and guesses. Even Lucy was hand crafted from crushed bones, and included a baboon bone. There was no abiogenesis. What else don't you have? Plenty
@@UserRandJ Yes, I suppose you're right - my astronomy textbook is just a squiggle guess about the Earth revolving around the Sun. Science just doesn't give us any high level of certainly about fundamental regularity in the world God created ;) We should tell all scientists to stop researching.
@343jonny Well, it is pretty special that God is a personable God. He has built a beautiful world for us to live in but it's been a sad place through history. It's easy to see the need for a Saviour. God Bless. J
@@UserRandJ It is very special indeed! We are called to steward his beautiful creation and explore it - because as we learn about his creation, we learn about our Creator and Savior! God bless you too!
YEC theology was one of the concepts that I found so repellant about evangelical Protestantism that I spent close to a decade of my life rejecting Christianity outright. Thank God I found Orthodoxy, where the church does not take a dogmatic position on how to interpret Genesis. You can believe in YEC if you really want too, but its not a requirement to receive God's grace through the holy mysteries (sacraments) of the church. Speaking of Genesis and sacraments, can someone explain how it is that Protestantism, particularly American Evangelical Protestantism, gets so preoccupied with a strict literal interpretation of the creation account in Genesis, but when Jesus Christ himself makes explicit mention of things like the sacrament of confession, the Eucharist, fasting as a form of spiritual discipline and a regular part of Christian life, everything all of a sudden becomes a metaphor about grape juice?
The thing that convinced me the earth was young is learning, that carbon dating is more speculation than actual fact. And the fact we’re finding soft tissue in dinosaur bones.
My question has always been, if there was 'evolution' why did it stop? Why aren't monkey's still "evolving into humans" if it was so true? Why aren't fish still coming out of the sea to grow legs and turn into mammals? I saw those videos with Bill Nye, or most of them. I was so turned off by his negative attitude. Not even wanting to see, and understand, what Ken was sharing with him.
Part of it is because evolution takes millions of years to occur. So animals could (and will) still evolve. Not all monkeys evolved into humans for various reasons. Maybe certain groups of monkeys didn't need to evolve in order to survive.
I would recommend people look into that Mt. St. Helen’s radio-metric dating example. It’s actually very well refuted by Christian and secular scientists alike and there are some great detailed analyses showing how the testing was done inaccurately. Ken Ham is being dishonest by continuing to use this as an example, portraying it as if it somehow calls radio-metric dating methods into question. It’s concerning that he feels the need to resort to deceptive arguments in order to give his position credibility, especially as a Christian.
@@davidandthatotherguy1369 I’d recommend looking up Kevin R. Henke’s article on the topic, it goes super in depth explaining everything wrong with the testing. Generally, the incorrect test was done and was itself also done incorrectly.
@@thorpeaaron1110 It’s somewhat complicated and I don’t want to misrepresent what it says by attempting to paraphrase it. The article is titled ‘Young Earth Creationist ‘Dating’ of a Mt. St. Helens Dacite.’
@@smokyquartz5817 Think about the foolishnes and the evilness of unbelievers: "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."
I’m a Christian and have been keeping an open mind on this subject for decades. I would love to see a truly scientific debate/argument for young earth.
I'd recommend Joel Duff's youtube channel or blog (Natural Historian). He is a professor and Christian and points out countless issues with young earth creation from a scientific viewpoint.
You will not find a "truly scientific" debate. There is nothing to debate. Earth is approx. 4,5 billion years old, some say 4,6. The 0.1 does not need debate.
A little confused, are you saying that you would prefer that Allie have actual Christian scientists on her show rather than guys like Ken Ham? If so, I agree. It definitely would be more helpful if Allie would have actual scientists who understand the relationship between the scripture and his creation (science).
@@corrysmith The confusion is whether you are saying Ken Ham is a scientist or not. Ken Ham has no scientific training. He taught science at a Christian school briefly, that's the extent of his connection to science.
@@bjn3232 I understand how my statement is being interpreted which is why I reposted my first comment that I love listening to scientists who love God in the attempt to reiterate my position on scientists who love God. At no point did I say Ken Ham was or was not a scientist because that's not the point of my statement. The point of my statement is exactly what I stated. I love listening to scientists who love God.
I wish Ken Ham would be honest and admit that other interpretations of Genesis 1-11 are not simply reinterpretations because of modern scientific thought, e.g. evolution and age of earth. There are not only modern biblical scholars who arrive at a different interpretation by textual analysis, but also historical Christians prior to Darwinism, i.e. Augustine, who held other interpretations.
Ken Hams entire ministry is riding on 24 hour days and a global flood. He’s cornered himself because he’s determined that his interpretation is infallible.
@@modernjosephus356 so are the other interpretations, Ken says if you don’t believe his interpretation you don’t believe the Bible . Ken is using his understanding to determine how to interpret, since he is fallible also I guess he’s using his fallible thoughts as well.
@@Terrylb285 The other interpretations are through eisegesis and not threw exegesis. I prefer only believing what is plainly written instead of stuffing beliefs outside the Bible into it. Genesis 1 is plain. God created the Earth in 6 earth Days. Any other interpretation is adding to the Bible.
@@mfburk2010 More than that, I'm a Bible literalist who believes the young earth is flat planed and doesn't move through endless "space" because it was set on a foundation with a cornerstone.
I've studied Ken Ham's work and others for years. It seems to me that understanding Genesis for the obvious literal historical account it's meant to be, vs saying "there's no way the Earth is that young, so clearly we have to read Genesis as metaphorical", is the same dichotomy as atheism vs Christianity as a whole. You can't prove either... but archaeology, astronomy, biology, and science as a whole is pretty clearly on only one side of this. You can believe whatever you want because neither can be _proven..._ but if you read into all the science literature you can find about the age of the Earth, it's just obvious that it lines up with Genesis as a literal historical account. Most people nowadays just find that hard to swallow because they've been taught Darwinian evolution in school from before they could even read and write.
>"but if you read into all the science literature you can find about the age of the Earth, it's just obvious that it lines up with Genesis as a literal historical account." Can you cite the peer reviewed scientific paper that cites the Earth is 6000 years old? Because if you trace back lineages and take Genesis as a "literal historical account", it comes out to be about 6000 years old. Kind of puts a wrench in the idea of digging up fossils of animals that lived millions of years ago.
Allie, PLEASE 🙏 bring Hugh Ross or Fuz Rana onto your show and ask them all the same questions. You will not be disappointed. Their ministry (Reasons to Believe) will clear up any false perceptions of old earth creationism. Please, kids need to know that science & scripture are harmonious!
I am subscribed to this channel because Allie usually does such a great job. Unfortunately, this episode is cringe worthy because Ken Ham may actually be causing harm to the Kingdom by telling people (including non-believers) that the Bible says something that the Bible does not say. The Bible does not say that the earth is fixed, flat, or young. We know for a fact that all of these beliefs are mis-interpretations because 100% of actual observable science (true science is the examination of Gods creation) proves that the the earth has no foundation, it’s shape is round, and it’s age is old. I could write for hours on this subject because there is so much biblical evidence in addition to the actual God given natural evidence. For the sake of time, I’ll just make one comment. Genesis ch:2 is a more detailed account of the end of creation day 6 of chapter 1. Anyone using good hermeneutics while reading Gen 2 can not honestly come to the conclusion that all the events described there happened in the last few hours of a 24 hour day. The chapter would literally make no sense interpreted that way. The first words Adam said after seeing Eve for the first time was, “At long last!” Does it make sense for Adam to make that statement if ALL the events leading up to Eve’s creation took only a few minutes at the end of a 24 hour day? Of course not! Lastly, I was trained to believe the same as Ken and Allie regarding earth age but I finally gave it up when I examined actual biblical and scientific evidence. I pray that Ken and others who teach this false doctrine will repent soon so that non believers can see that true science is the examination of God’s creation, and we know that God is not trying to fool us with his creation that screams old.
I’m sorry but your comment is written in the right place but ignores key points Ken talked about. Creationist believe that the earth is young *From Gods word* in conjunction with Common Era Dating. We can literally count down using the dates given in today, as in now, to work backwards and figure out the Biblical age of the earth. And *Most Importantly* Ken clearly said that he does not think this issue is a factor in Salvation. He can challenge your View on that but he’s not saying you won’t make it into heaven on it. Does it cause Christians to think, yes, but should it cause them to stumble, no. All those who have faith in Jesus Christ will find out when we meet our Lord. Hope it helps.
Melodramatic at best- you're emotional speil was a comedy. He's never called the earth flat- so you're a liar and a drama seeker. Where's your science ? Even Lucy was hand crafted from crushed bones and included a baboon bone. You have no science that was not hand drawn squiggles.
You can believe in Genesis 1 literally and believe in an old earth. The Hebrew word in Genesis "yom" can be translated as a 24 hour period of time or as a long but finite period of time.
@@ChibiPanda8888 yes, it is not a salvation issue. But it can affect the faith of students who are taught that the Bible says the earth is young, yet they study geology or astronomy and see that the earth is far more than 10,000 years old.
@@jcthomas3408 I agree. I personally believe in an old earth but I don’t really care if someone believes in a young earth. The problem is when people turn it into a primary issue and become dogmatic about it, like Ken Ham.
@@Wentletrap213 yes, it is not a salvation issue, but it can be problematic for youth who are taught a young earth, then study earth sciences and see clear evidence of an old earth. (Ice cores, sedimentarylayers, tree rings, coral reef, etc.)
Carbon dating is how they determine age of artifacts and bones...this is 3rd grade knowledge. I'm a follower of Christ but you can't sit here and diminish the importance and credibility of archeology.
No question there are many things people have trouble understanding. Certain parts of Christianity are steadfast, they should all just stick to those. You know, the basics. Neither drunkards nor idolaters nor homosexuals will enter the kingdom of heaven.
And we all know Jesus makes it clear that those things aren't simply literal. Murder isn't simply killing someone. We can also commit murder in our hearts. Inasmuch homosexuality isn't just the ACT, we commit the homosexuality in our hearts and desires. And thus those homosexuals will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Ken Ham shouldn't make assumptions. Jesus' word is enough.
Since it came from Jesus mouth himself that if a married man looks at a woman lustfully he has already committed adultery with her..... thus if a married woman looked at another woman lustfully she has already committed homosexuality (AND ADULTERY). Praise the Lord that unlike Genesis, Jesus is perfectly clear in terms of homosexuality and adultery. Those people will not enter the kingdom. Will not.
In high school i learned about evolution - coming from s completely secular worldview. Basic logic, math, and biology showed me it is obviously impossible. Why isn't that obvious to every educated person?
The same reason people forgot that high school bio used to teach that viruses are small enough to pass through fabric and health class taught that sneezes and coughs can send saliva much farther than 10 ft.
Thank you so much for having him on! This issue has bothered me for so many years. I made it through four years of college to get a biological engineering degree without falling prey to the natural origins religion, but that's not true for too many people. I have a friend who became an atheist after college because evolutionary science sounded so convincing.
@@thorpeaaron1110 New discoveries are being made all the time. Finding the actual data they discover and use is difficult if you're not looking for it. The textbooks and the articles publish conclusions and interpretations as fact. "The earth is billions of years old. Men can be women. Masks slow the spread of covid. Covid vaccines saved millions of lives." As with the other things look at the data, sans outside interpretation, and then decide if it really means what they say. Carbon dating methods are extremely unreliable, but they don't say that in the science books. They're very... dogmatic.
I agree with you on most things, Allie. However, as a Christian, I do think that young earth creationism is at odds with reality. Ken Ham is a brother, but I just don't buy the idea that the universe is only about 6 to 10k years old. Even Spurgeon, and many of the original "fundamentalists", believed the universe was at least millions of years old.
This man is a great blessing to the church. He has helped me renew my mind after public school and growing up non Christian. May the Lord bless him and his work over the years!
I remember participating in a kids Paleontology course at Queensland Museum when I was 12. Learned about the Jurassic, Triassic and Cretaceous periods. It was pretty fun.
@@saynotoh2o747 my non-Biblical reasoning was just the realization that a lot of science taught as facts was actually just theories. Specifically, I watched a documentary called First Man which was about neanderthals etc, all the different iterations of humans from which we supposedly descended, and in that documentary they said (paraphrasing) "...and it was around this time that laughing was developed." And I was like how on earth could they have determined THAT from ANYTHING archeologists have uncovered??? Granted this was one documentary but it's what really made me start questioning everything else I've been taught by "scientists" and "experts". Look at the last three years for another example. People, whether it's scientists, teachers, textbook authors, or just lay people, tend to present things as facts when they have no clue what they're talking about. Look at the food pyramid we were taught in the 80s and how that has been turned on its head. Science can change, new discoveries are made. But there is a lack of humility, generally speaking, when things are presented. I was taught Darwinism in school. I think it's impossible to accurately date anything as X million or X billion years old. I understand it's based on formulas based on short term evidence that you factor out to make an educated guess for long term time - but that's all it can ever be: a guess. So what I mean by "etc" is carbon dating, the age of the earth, the age of the universe, the iterations of mankind, and while we're in the topic, how long it will take plastic water bottles to decompose. They say 500 years but plastic hasn't been around that long so fact is there is NO way to know beyond guessing. But do they have the humility to disclose that part? No. It's presented as facts. And most people don't even question it. Infuriating.
Love love loveeee that you had a different perspective on this topic. It's always the same but Ken ham offers a different perspective and I love to hear it. 👏👏👏👏
So excited for this episode! Two of my favorite people!! Ken is a legend! He was like a wise and humorous uncle to my homeschooling kids! We made it to the museum as soon as it opened! And now my grandkids have visited the ark! 😊
Genesis 1. ...Now the earth was formless and empty...(but for how long ago?) If I build something out of LEGOS, well, those particular lego pieces from the manufacturer could be way older than my created object of course. Time of Formlessness vs. Creation time. Either way, God.
and whose to say that the 6 days of creation were 6 consecutive days? let alone literal days as we understand them because the sun was not created until the 3rd "day" and our definition of a "day" is totally dependent on a fully formed planet earth completing a full rotation around it's axis and half of the planet facing toward and half facing away from the sun during that time.
@@williammollyvanronzelen8241 and also noting that the bible specifically used the word "greater light" and not "sun". The word sun was used later. I'm thinking in terms of the Earth's vapors and atmosphere finally allowing light etc. hmmm. and perhaps we're still in the "8th day" we're in just one iteration of creation, just the saved NPCs along the storyline promise to Abraham. Doesn't matter actually. Not how or when, but who.
The raging ocean covered everything right? Was there salt? How about 20.9 percent oxygen? Was thermodynamics established?- heat rising? How far back do you want to speculate on Gods work? Jake
I have to say, though, that while I agree with them about a literal Genesis interpretation, look at Song of Solomon. That's not literal. It's poetry. If you took that literally, there would be some really weird interpretations. Each book has to be interpreted as the kind of literature it was intended to be.
Correct! And Genesis is History. It is a straw man to argue that the entire Bible shouldn't be taken literally. Just like you said, there are many forms of literature within scripture, and the Bible isn't 1 book. It is many.
I agree! Let's read the book of Genesis and believe it! Man says the Earth is surrounded by a vacuum but Genesis 1 says the Earth is surrounded by water. Man says the Moon is a reflector of the sunlight but Genesis one says it's a light itself. God created two lights a greater light and a lesser light. These are truths that even Ken Ham struggles with.
@@1Corinthians6Verses9thru11 You see how you just did an Eisegesis interpretation of Scripture? The text says 2 lights and gives a description that one light is greater and the other is lesser. If you never went to public school you wouldn't question that there are two independent lights in the heavens above. If it was reflected light it would carry the same characteristics of the source light. Moon light is OPPOSITE of sunlight in every way. The moon gives off HER light whereas the sun is like a MAN running a race. There is nothing about what modern man claims about the moon's substance that would make it a reliable reflector.
A) the earth is surrounded by water. Go learn some science. Literally billions of gallons of water is in the atmosphere as water vapor. B) the light that comes from the moon is NOT the same as the light that comes from the sun. Yes it is reflected but it is changed by the moon in terms of wavelengths. C) The Moon DOES create light - gamma rays - and it does so by its interaction with cosmic waves not simply because of the sun. D) Genesis thousands of year ahead of modern science indicates that light is distinguishable from its source. - we came to realize this though the discovery of photons. We see this in genesis day one when light - photons are created with no reference to a source. TO this day we say "moonlight" because that light is coming from the moon not because we think its source is in the moon alone. Therefore its pedantic nonsense to claim the bible cannot use the same terms we still use today... and no the word moon nowhere appears in genesis one. Genesis one is concerned with what people see on earth not the originating source ( day one doesn't even have a source).
I used to believe dinosaurs were non-existent because of what darwinism did with them and the whole Creation timeline, but in the end, they did exist, and the Bible even mentions some of them: leviathan, behemoth, Jonah's great fish, the great sea creatures of Genesis, and according to Hebrew understanding of Genesis, some animals were actually "great animals" you would translate as "dinosaurs" nowadays...
I actually believe some of the water ones still exist today. I mean, look at Nessie and the megalodon, amongst other odd water creatures that people concoct conspiracytheories about. We haven't explored most of the ocean; there may be some species down deeper than we can get to right now that are unknown as yet to science.
You clearly don’t understand what dinosaurs are, because none of those besides perhaps Behemoth could actually be describing a dinosaur. No dinosaurs, I’ll repeat, NO DINOSAURS were fully aquatic or marine. Ichthyosaurs, Mosasaurs, Thalattosuchians, and Plesiosaurs/Pliosaurs were NOT dinosaurs. And I’m not sure why they’d be called a “Great fish” since they’re not even remotely fish in any way, shape, or form. Also would like to point out that all of those are the names for individual animals, not entire species or “kinds” or whatever. An individual creature called Leviathan, an individual called Behemoth, etc etc. Also, last point, Leviathan was a multi-headed sea serpent, and again Jonah’s great fish was a fish (or maybe a whale but referred to as a fish for some reason). Neither could possibly be describing a dinosaur, in fact, no descriptions of ANY animals in the Bible could possibly be of a dinosaur (unless they are describing birds). It takes dishonesty and purposeful ignorance, as well as gigantic leaps in logic and interpretation, to think any of these things could be
When did I say Ken said this? But you'd think he might have said something to that woman who said they didn't exist? Isn't he supposed to be an authority or something? Even though he knows nothing about dinosaurs.
I really like Ken Ham… and I think he gets a lot of things right… but I also think he gets some things wrong. While I would tend to agree with Ken that the earth may not be billions of years… I’m also not sure I believe it’s only 6000 years old.
@@thorpeaaron1110 That sediment went down recently. Go look at it. Went down in moving water/ rapid. Unconformities were not made by thousands of glaciers.
As homeschoolers, we’ve used some Answers in Genesis curriculum and loved it! This was a great discussion. My question for him would be about Pangea. Is it just an evolutionist theory or was this also a result of the flood?
I'm a creationist and have heard and studied this stuff a bit. I think I've heard that the Pangea did actually exist, but the flood somehow broke it apart. Perhaps it was the tectonic plates moving when the waters came up "from the deep," but it broke apart either during or shortly after the flood. Don't quote me on this because I'm not a scientist or anything, but I think that's what I've heard from AIG and other creationist sources.
@@AlgyPug I'll bite. Birds are birds and reptiles are reptiles. They literally can teach anything in colleges and universities and the students will lap it up without questioning it.
I believe they do. I'd venture to say, though, that the ones who do exist live in the ocean or very deep lakes. Animals like Nessie may be one of this type. You have the megalodon as well. I do realize that those are just theories but the ocean is deep enough that we don't quite know what's actually down there.
As a christian and being that I cannot blindly agree with a souce that has little to no credibility. I have to say Ken Ham is a terrible and completely non-scientific resource for the argument of creation. Ken Ham consistently and deliberately misrepresents scientific processes. He literally lies to try to prove his point. It is completely unacceptable and hurts the church far more than it brings anyone to Christ. Being that the majority of what he is saying is not backed by any peer reviewed articles he should be ignored outright. I personally do believe in creation I don't know exactly what that looks like. However I can say without a doubt that what Ken Ham is saying almost certainly is not an accurate representation of reality.
I’m so glad you had Ken Ham on, he was one of first apologists I listened to and I think he’s got some very good points. We love dinosaurs 🦕 in my household, and often roll our eyes when we hear the claim that they lived hundreds of millions of years ago, before man ever existed. They don’t know that, but these ‘facts’ are claimed with such confidence! Wonderful interview Allie, can’t wait to listen to part 2! 😊
@thorpeaaron1110 It's commonly thought. Knowledge you say? Any ideas where the dinosaurs evolved from? What is below them? Nothing. They appear in the mud. No cousins. No itty bitty dinos. J
@@UserRandJDinosaurs did not evolve mammals including humans came from little shroos mouse-like creatures who hid in the ground when the Dinosaurs went extinct.
I lean more towards the earth is older than 6 thousand years, I could be wrong but this verse has always made me wonder: 2 Peter 3:8-9 reads: 'But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. Makes me wonder if creation took longer because to God a day is a thousand years. It doesn't really matter to me either way just an interesting thing to think about 🙂
@Darth_Loverboy_Turned_Loose I would say a true Christian is someone that confeses Jesus as Lord and Saviour. But what's that got to do with science? You call Ken's ministry a false doctrine, but you can't show evidence for abiogenesis, or mutations creating advanced systems in animals such as camouflage and sonar. Lucy was hand crafted from crushed bones, including a baboon bone- so where are the transitional fossils? How can you not see the mass sediment was not layed down rapidly? Way too much evidence for Genesis. You are mocking Gods Word.
@@UserRandJ So, your answer is "yes". A true Christian HAS to believe in Creationism. Creationism is the crux of Christianity now. Not Jesus. Not God. Not the Bible. But Ken Ham and his contrived doctrine is the secret to the Kingdom of Heaven. I can say and even believe that Jesus is my Lord and Savior, but unless I swear allegiance to Creationism in His name I won't go to Heaven. Is that it? Creationism is a FALSE doctrine that turns people away from Christ and toward whatever cultish leader is peddling it.
'My bike break down today. I create my bike.' Both context and terms tell us what (b) 'I create my bike' can normally mean in relation to (a) 'My bike break down today'. The same principle applies to Genesis 1, but NOT without regard for HEBREW grammar. Two examples are: 'darkness' in v. 2 being alike to 'darkness' in Exodus 19:9; Psalm 97:2; Job 3:1-9, 22:11-17, 38:9; Deuteronomy 4:11; and Psalm 18:11 and ancient Hebrew has no pluperfect verb (had, had had, had been, etc). Instead, ancient Hebrew relies, as some other ancients languages do, on universal Natural Knowledge to communicate or exegete the chronology of what otherwise would be a radically odd part of a chronologically straightforward narrative. This is because of three UNIVERSAL things: U1: Natural Language is a function primarily of the universal self-evidence of Life-affirming, Earth-affirming, Divine Design. It is not mainly or broadly a function of the idea of 'the logically possible.' U2: The nature of a chronologically straightforward narrative is that the first parts of the narrative semantically condition the latter parts, NOT the other way. U3: NORMAL, plain literal usage often may involve topical considerations without exactingly narrow regard for chronology.
So if you are a Christian, do you believe you - or any person - is smarter or more powerful than God? Scripture says, "Professing to be wise they became fools". Christianity is completely based on what we learn in Scripture. We cannot pick and choose what to believe. Who gets to decide what parts are true and what parts aren't? If one truly believes in God, he will believe that He is all powerful and all knowing and He can do ALL things. WE are the created. If you created an amazing piece of art and gave it a voice, would you be offended if it claimed to know more than you? Would you be upset if it claimed it came about by accident or that someone else made it? If it was only a few hours old wouldn't you think it was ridiculous if it claimed to know the secrets of the universe? YOU created it. It would be nothing without you.
One of your best episodes so far!! I was recently studying Job and trying to figure out what behemoth and leviathan were! They sure didnt sound like just a hippo or crocodile! I looked around the internet and found a few christian biblical archaeology sites that said that these were giant mammals that have now become extinct. They said they were not dinosaurs as dinosaurs existed millions of years ago. They then went on to say that God re-created the earth in Genesis and that there could already have been an earth with some life form existing before that. I didn't know what to think of it, but here you are with this episode today, and it answers all my doubts. I know what to believe now. When Ken Ham said there was no death before Adam and so the fossils couldn't have been from before Adam did it for me! Thanks Ken and Allie!
I used to have the same problems with the Bible and Science especially concerning dragons and why we're they are millions of years old. The same goes for those who hold the the gap or day age "theory" that Helel/Halal- the Hebrew name for the devil and wondering why a loving and righteous God would punish his "first" creation while the devil got off easy. Post creation rebellion by Halal is what fits the most and best.
Three Bible uses "Day" both to man 24 hours and in some contexts, it also means an age... he compares ir to use of the terms male and female but those are never used in any other way other than to describe male and female. .. I've always found Ken Hams logic to be unconvincing and this certainly hasn't changed my mind.
Day can mean "day". Especially when followed by "evening and morning, one day". Every single scholar of ancient Hebrew says that it was written to mean 1, 24hr. Day. You don't accept that , and that's fine , but you cannot change the facts. Believe it or not.
@thorpeaaron1110 no, but I have seen some interviews and documentaries on the topic and testimonials of Hebrew professors,multiple times from biblical and secular jews as well. I'm just sharing what I've learned.
Ken's resources have helped me so much as a homeschool mom. We spend every morning in the bible & his Answers in Genesis for kids tackling 1 question a day. Applogetics for our children is VITAL!
You're basically setting up your kids for failure.
@@thorpeaaron1110
Unlike Christians, atheists today don't even have kids with birth rates far below replacement of 2.11
65% of Nobel Prize winners are Christian, and 97 % of world population believe in a creator.
Yet still you believe your tiny group of godless pagans somehow have truth all locked down, while also not believing in objective truth ?
....and you wonder why everyone jokes about atheism....good grief.
@@thorpeaaron1110Yeah nothing says failure like teaching your kids how to articulate the truth. Should of just put em in public school like me so some teacher could tell them nothing made everything, chaos made order, and given enough time non life can make life. All so they could find out that's really stupid and not be as nice as the other Christians. I'll tell you something my kind homeschool sisters won't of all the idiotic cults out there nothing is dumber than the atheist cult and I know how the Hindus say life begin.
Your kids are going to struggle very hard and then drop it. I couldn't do that to my owns. Don't turn on them when they do.
@@smokyquartz5817Stop telling people how to raise their kids. Focus on your own.
Does anyone else get so excited when “your people” come together for a sit down?
This made me realize Allie should also have Ray Comfort on the show.
The guy that spends a good part of his day finding fault with other people to make them into sinners and then publicizes it which gets lots of accolades from people who do the same.
@@robertdouglas8895Ray Comfort does not find fault with other people instead he helps them to see for themselves that we are all sinners in need of a Savior. Huge difference.
@@tinaanderson5298 Jesus didn't do that. The woman who was, according to Mosaic Law, given by God, as were the 10 Commandments, supposed to be stoned to death, he forgave and found "no" fault in.
He's got you convinced that you need to go around finding people to be sinners instead of forgiving them to see they are still created in the likeness of God and innocent.
. If you had known what these words mean, 'I desire mercy, not sacrifice,' you would not have condemned the innocent.
@@robertdouglas8895 please read your bible
@@robertdouglas8895 Yeah... you totally do not understand what CONVICTION is. When you are Guilty of something (which we ALL are 100% also known as SIN) and you get called out (the Gospel/Bible does this on purpose otherwise you wouldn't know you have sin) it CONVICTS you because you ARE guilty and need a Saviour. Some people (like you seem to be) mistaken this feeling for OFFENSE.
7 billion people with a different thumb print, 7 billion people with a different eye print, 7 billion people with a different D N A print,
now that's a God thing.
What methodology did you use to make that conclusion? Was it that you don't get big numbers?
It’s comments like these that prove to me why God doesn’t exist (I’m an agnostic)
Reason why say this is if everyone is so unique and everyone is so different, why has God not made an emergence back to its people? Did he give us up after Jesus even though people are so different than they were back then (similar comment would be about Mohammad and Islam). I am curious to those Christians that say each life is so different but it feels like God has given up on his children
So 7 billion people out of 8 billion people are totally unique? That means the other 1 billion are all the same? And twins actually have the same DNA print. And none of what you're saying makes any sense or leads to any kind of conclusion about anything.
@@TheClimateChannel People making stupid comments on TH-cam in no way proves that God doesn't exist.
@@Elhardt no, more like why God doesn’t come back after these years if everyone is so unique? Are we not good enough?
I'm convinced that our Great Father is a scientist, among many, many other things... even a Comedian.
I just love Him! ❤
The Great Physician
He’s the best comedian I know!
Platypus...
Well, He literally created humor and the concept of it, so He is definitely the ultimate humorist. 👍
God IS NOT a scientist. Science is a construct for humans who need to learn more about the World from some modern "objective" standpoint.
Don't limit God that way.
Genesis is absolutely fundamental for our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ. God bless you Allie and Ken!
“If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.”
Yes, all Scripture is given for our instruction that isn't the question. The question is; is Ken Ham's interpretation of Genesis fundamental for our faith in the Lord Jesus Christ? It is not, what would be fundamental is that we are fallen creatures in need of Savior that God the Creator promised in Genesis and revealed in "Moses and the prophets". Recognizing this we must repent and place our faith in this Savior to cross the gap spoken of in your referenced passage. Additionally, that passage which is full of figurative language and literary devices might not be the best passage to refer to in arguing that Genesis could not possibly use figurative language and literary devices in providing a historical narrative.
Hello @@davidbartlett6746
I believe every Christian will be received in heaven, each with his own level of faith and with a number of mistakes committed in deed, word and thought, as we can see even Job had to be corrected by the Lord in Job 38.
I believe we also will be judged by the Lord, not for eternal condemnation, but for correction, to be humbled and more thoroughly informed of what the Lord expects from us:
“So whether we are at home or away, we make it our aim to please him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.” - 2 Corinthians 5:9-10
I want to argue that there is no good reason for believers to not believe what is written in the book of Genesis.
Are we going to abandon faith in miracles, just because worldly people mock believers?
I hope not, for that would be lack of faith and cowardice.
Is it impossible for a snake to talk, just because the unbelievers of the world think so?
No, it is not: a possessed serpent or Satan taking the form of a serpent could indeed talk.
We know this, for this is not the only time the Lord has allowed an animal to speak:
“What have I done to you, that you have struck me these three times?”
“Am I not your donkey, on which you have ridden all your life long to this day?
Is it my habit to treat you this way?” - Numbers 22
I guess that is why you CAN'T let it all be false... That would kill all of your dumb ideas and make you look like a fool... EGO makes you think like that, NOT common sense.
I trust verified SCIENCE a lot more than an old book that was based on VERBAL stories, politically edited hundreds of times, and rewritten to fit the present more than once.
SURE some of the settings and surrounding descriptions FIT with our timeline and geography, BUT everybody knows that for a lie to be good, it needs SOME bits of reality in it.
The problem is ALL of those idiots, take the little bits of truth and believable accounts, and use that as some sort of stupid and ignorant proof that it's ALL TRUE!!!
Now THAT is suspended disbelief in its purest form, because it's WILFUL!!!
You people ALL doubt aliens exist, but you are 100% WILLING to believe in some weird, all-powerful God because your neighbor thinks it's true and you want to be part of the gang... WHO is crazy here???
Very thankful for Ken Ham. I visited the Ark Encounter last week. It was a wonderful experience. Highly recommend for families.
For something to laugh about?
@@smokyquartz5817 I pray your bitterness is changed to joy and grace when your eyes are opened to the mercy of Jesus. I’m not sure what you’re going through that makes you harass people online, but know that Jesus died for your hurt, bitterness, shame, and hatred to go away. God bless you in life with the knowledge of Him and His love for you! ❤
@@melindamercier6811 I don't know why you assume I'm not Christian, and I personally wouldn't dare passive aggressively praying for people to try to make them angry and say I did it for God. God's not stupid.
@@smokyquartz5817whatever you are it’s pretty pathetic to post just to spite someone
@@melindamercier6811Why wouldn't people go their to laugh.
Now have Hugh Ross on and ask him the same questions.
YESSSS!!! Thats what I’m saying! Allie, you need to interview Hugh.
Heyyy! There’s an idea!
Or Ben Stanhope! Or Tim Martin and Jeff Vaughn.. They’d all be fun.
Yes! Hugh would provide such a wonderful conversation on this show!
Yes to Hugh Ross!!
I believe 7 days did not mean 7 days consisting of 24 hours. As someone who works in the science community I am often criticized for my beliefs as someone who doesn’t believe in “facts.” But I stand firm in my beliefs that 7 days to God may not have been equivalent to what 7 days means to us now.
It says “there was morning and there was evening. One day.”
If that detail wasn’t there after each day I feel it could be interpreted that way
This earth rotated for the first time.
Perhaps. Then again, why would it say "days" if it weren't literal days? God used Moses to write the book of Genesis to humans. Humans think differently than God does, and the only concept we have of a "day" is a 24-hour span of time. I personally do not hold to the Day-Age Theory.
@@ChibiPanda8888There are 3 different definitions for the word “day” in Hebrew (yom):
1) the daylight hours
2) 24 hours
3) a long period of time (“day of the Lord”)
If you want to hear from brilliant creationist scientists, I highly recommend Hugh Ross or anyone from Reasons to Believe.
💯. If we are limiting God's creation ability and time frame to Earth days...our understanding of the vastness of God is way too small. There are 8 planets and 5 dwarf planets (that we know of)...and the length of each planet's day is different. And that's just *our* solar system. The current count of solar systems in our Milky Way galaxy is 3200. And that's just in our galaxy. The current estimate for numbers of galaxies in the observable universe is 2 trillion. And that's just the amount of the universe humans have been able to observe with space telescopes. Who knows how enormous the whole universe actually is!
Sooo, it's kind of arrogant for us humans to think that God's creation abilities are limited to only the tiny little microscopic speck of space dust that is our planet. The universe is infinitely large and infinitely small... and therein lies the unfathomable power of God.
For me, the more science I learn, the stronger my faith becomes. It is all just so beautiful and complex and awe-inspiring! Lets not put God in a tiny box!
"If Genesis is metaphor, then you can make it mean whatever you want" we'll said mr ken 👍
2 Peter 3:8
But do not forget one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day.
So you believe the Bible is true because the Bible tells you that the Bible is true, ah ye what amazing logic!
Ken Ham is such a blessing. So clear, perceptive, and consistent in his presentation. Praise God for him and his godly parents, who taught his to stand steadfastly on the Word of God.
Truth United, Dr. Gavin Ortland. Great rebuttal. He’s a reformed Baptist like you.
I loved his rebuttal. He said that what really matters is that we believe the literal truth of the resurrection. Creation story is up for debate.
Ken Ham is a national treasure
He wants your money. Lol.
@smokyquartz5817 Ignorant comment. Most of the resources from Answers in Genesis are free.
@@jammystarfish It's well reported that he lost a lot of money on it. But at least he didn't house the poor. Just got attention for himself and made people fight.
@@smokyquartz5817why don’t you house the poor instead of bitching on TH-cam?
@smokyquartz5817 lol, it's "well reported" by slanderous lib journalists who hate God and lie about him. Bring the receipts or go pound sand.
I’ve been listening to Ken Ham since I was a little kid. I appreciate him and his work, however I’ve come to believe he is wrong to tie 6 day creationism to biblical inerrancy. It sets up a false conflict that has led directly to many young Christians deconstructing their faith. He would do well to acknowledge that there ARE actually plausible alternative interpretations that uphold the integrity of scripture and are intellectually rigorous (not that I necessarily believe them), and a six 24 hour day creation was not what the church held to for most of its history.
Did he set up a conflict, or did people being immersed in a secular worldview set up a conflict?
@@charityvaughn2288He did because he's not interpreting scripture properly.
@josephpchajek2685 That's a strong opinion you hold. It's Gods business either way- have you tried trysting God on it? Do you see Genesis as Gods word? Go take a look at the sediment in person, it was recent. And those unconformities? It wasn't glaciers. You should take the time to go figure this out
💯 💯 well said
@@UserRandJ Many "Christians" trust satan (science) more than God the Father.
I went to the creation museum almost two weeks ago and the ark encounter. I love Ken Ham if you go to the creation museum make sure you see the planetarium and learn how the stars themselves disprove the millions or billions of years theories. Its so beautiful and oh my the adorable little amish children in there suspenders. Ironically me and my husband wanted to go when school was in so it wouldn't be so crowded. The first day we realized there was a lot of kids, (most behaved children Id ever seen). But anyways my husband and I realized the reason they weren't starting school that week is because a lot of Christians homeschool. We both laughed at the fact neither one of us thought of that because we had conversations that if God had given us children we never would of put them in public school. F.Y.I we both went to public school. I don't apologize for my opinions on public school but I do apologize for my bad grammer. Sorry I went to public school.
Please don't vote. Amount of tax money and cuts that went to that nonsense is disgusting. That money actually went to go and help people of the state. Instead Ken's lobbying bribed lawmakers in that state to build a lie.
I asked my Dad (a very devoted man of Christ) one time why the Bible never mentioned the dinosaurs. His reply, "that's one of those questions that you will find out the answer to when you get to Heaven, if you get to Heaven."
But they are in the Bible, they just weren’t called “dinosaurs”. The word wasn’t invented until mid 19th century. In the Bible they mentioned creatures called “Behemoth” and “Leviathan” which are thought to be dinosaurs based on the descriptions given.
@@veebeewaiYeah there was this cool part in the Gospels where Jesus rode a stegosaurus out of Jurassic Park yelling "Come and get me Pontius Pilate!"
Dinosaurs on the ark. Please pray for wisdom and remove the blinders. This is hysterically funny and sad at the same time
They were often called beasts or dragons in the Bible. Dinosaurs is a “new” word relatively speaking. If you check out Answers in Genesis on youtube, there are videos with archaeologists going through a plethora of ancient archaeological findings of dinosaurs (undeniably so) depicted along with the average animal kinds we see these days, long before any such fossils were uncovered.
@@jamarsilia you can be skeptical of that, I certainly was, but the amount of archaeological and soft-tissue evidence for post-diluvian evidence of dinosaurs is too numerous to say otherwise in my opinion. Please pray for a bit of humility in realizing we don’t know it all. And then ask yourself sincerely why you find the need to be so sarcastic and why significantly smarter and more educated and experienced Bible believing Christians in paleontology and archaeology certainly believe there were small dinosaurs on the ark.
Doesn’t the Bible say that a thousand years is like a day unto God? Couldn’t that be a possibility that when a day is referenced that many thousands of years were encompassed into that? Obviously we can’t know for sure nor is it crucial for salvation but it’s an interesting possibility
Great question! However... You have to consider the order in which things were created... For example, could plants and animal life survive for a thousand years without sun?
The Hebrew doesn't allow that interpretation. The Jewish word for day when followed by a number, or the words evening and morning, only means a 24 hour day.
God is outside of time, he made time, 24 hours for Earth for those inhabitants inside the firmament. So 1 day To us IS like a 10000 for him because he is OUTSIDE of our time, but it is clear that he wanted to make it clear that he made the earth in 6 days that’s why after every day he said there was morning and there was evening and that was one day …… couldn’t be more clear
Hebrew word day is Yom, 4 different meanings , part of the day , all of the daylight hours , 24 hours , and period of time , Evening and morning In the Hebrew means something was started and finished. When Adam saw the woman that God created , he used the Hebrew word HAPAM , which means at long last. No evening and morning for the seventh day , we are still in it, Hebrews 4. God is still resting from his acts of creation . But one day the sabbath will come to a close and God will create again,Rev 21
But the account of creation in Genesis describes a 24 hour period because it talks about day and night
Great show! I love Answers in Genesis .
Why am I not surprised.
@@thorpeaaron1110 😆 👍
@@IronMattBut hey buddy whatever floats your boat
Yet they cannot answer why we can see things that are further than 5,000 light years away.
@Ham549 the speed of light is not a constant. Look it up. Also, many assumptions are involved in measuring distances in space. In short, they do address your objection, Institute for Creation Research has much on the topic as well, if you are actually interested.
Ken Ham: The universe is only 5,000 years old.
Me: So we shouldn't be able to see anything that's past 5,000 light years away in space at that light wouldn't have been able to reach us yet.
Ken Ham: Well God's all-powerful and can make the light appear here.
Me: So God's deceiving us 🤔?
You're putting God in a box. When we say He can do anything, we really mean anything. We believe the universe was created with age. Adam and Eve weren't babies when God created them, and neither was a lot of other stuff. With that starting point, why wouldn't we be able to see stuff past 5000 light years?
@@ChibiPanda8888 because if it's further than 5,000 light years away and the universe is only 5,000 years old the light wouldn't have reached us yet.
@@ChibiPanda8888Can God lie?
God created a mature universe. The trees were already mature, the chicken God created was not an egg but a bird, the human beings were mature adults, not babies, and the light waves had already reached the earth. Our God is awesome in His power to create!
And yes, u are correct! Our beliefs build our worldviews! Ken Ham said it himself.
Whoop whoop! Great choice to interview Ken Ham!!!
You really can't make this stuff up 😂 I'm very entertained right now
What you really need to ask is are Dragons real? The name dinosaur was a remake of the term dragon. There are thousands of pictorials of 'dragons ' in historical buildings and sites.
44:34 i see i spoke too soon 😏
This man is truly being used by the Lord! It is such a breath of fresh air to hear the Biblical account for creation explained. This man has helped me so much in my faith as I struggled to reconcile faith and what I had been told at school for years. May God bless you Mr. Ken Ham, and you, Allie, for having him!
Please don't vote. Amount of tax money and cuts that went to Ken's ark "museum" that is nonsense is disgusting. That money actually went to go and help people of the state. Instead Ken's lobbying bribed lawmakers in that state to build a lie.
Thank you, Lord, for Ken Ham; thank you for his wisdom and plainspoken courage.
He's lieing to you.
@@frosted1030so then don’t listen. Nobody forced you to come to this page.
@@A_Pie323 "so then don’t listen." Stop the lies.
@@frosted1030 You're lying to you
@@frosted1030 Whose lying? State your science evidence to the contrary! You have none.
It’s takes ONE BILLION years for one diamond to be made. That alone disproves a 6,000 year old earth.
The age of the earth has always been a debated topic in the church. To say that this debate is a result of modern science or Darwinism is just not true. St. Iraneus (whose mentor was taught by John himself), Cyprian, and Origen are all examples of churchmen who openly taught that the first few chapters are to be interpreted figuratively. But they all also believed in a literal historical Adam and Eve. Old earth creationism isn’t new in the church. Nor does it require one to abandon the literal history of genesis 1-11 which comes to us in a figurative genre of literature.
Thank you!
You are absolutely right. I have adopted the Old Earth view taught by Dr. John Walton and the late Michael Heiser. The position is that Genesis 1 is about God assigning functionaries to His creation and not absolute material creation. God indeed created all things materially yes, but Genesis 1 is not talking about that. All material creation would have been created before Genesis 1. This view is understanding the Ancient Near East’s perspective of how the ancients understood the cosmos. All of them (even ancient Israelites) were less concerned about the material of something, their concern was whether something functioned properly. For example, today, we see the sun and say it is a star, made up of gases etc… but to the ancients, they didn’t care what it was or what it was made of, all they cared about what that it was an entity that provided light, heat, and somehow allowed their crops and livestock to thrive and flourish. That’s why in the prophetic writings the sun being darkened or the stars falling from the heavens was not to be taken literally but symbolically to refer to the fall of a nation or the fall of the political leadership of that nation.
2 Peter 3:8
But do not forget one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day.
Day is not the same as 24 hours, not in the past and not today.
The earth is not 6,000 years old and the Bible does not teach this. Hebrews 4:9-10: "There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, just as God did from his." This tells us that the 7th day has not ended. Thus day 7 is a long time span, thus day 1 to 6 must be a long time span. Each believer are to enter into day 7. Also there no "evening and morning" for the 7th day. As day 7 as not ended. Biblical Hebrew has a limited vocabulary, with fewer words compared to other languages, such as English or Spanish. This means words often have multiple meanings determined by context. Day - yom is commonly rendered as day in English translations, but the word yom can be used in different ways to refer to different time spans thus literally is:
Sunrise to sunset
Sunset to next sunset
Time period of unspecified length. (long time span ).
We use the word day the same today: In my grandfather’s day cars did not go very fast.
Deuteronomy 33:15 and Habakkuk 3:6 "ancient mountains".
The events of day 6 can not have happened in 24 hours.
Have you entered into the 7th as Hebrews 4:9-10 asks you to?
I couldn't help but sing Buddy Davis' Billions of Dead Things' during the discussion of the Flood. Great episode! As a science teacher at a Christian School, most of this information I've already studied and nerding out about. This discussion doesn't even scratch the surface of what topics i see being debated in the comments. The documentary "Is Genesis History?" By Del Tackett is another great resource if people are looking for more scientific proof about a world wide catastrophic flood. Answers in Genesis is a great resources that covers so many topics of devate such as the Ice Age and animal movement after the flood, speciation of the kinds of animals, dragon legends, Native American Petroglyphs of dinosaurs found in Utah and Arizona and so much more. Can't wait for part 2!
There was no Worldwide Flood it's scientifically impossible
It's always funny how beLIEvers justify something they can't evidence and try to cite some sort of misunderstanding of the science. The question is this: How did the educational system fail you so badly that you ignore facts? There was no global flood during the time humans existed. This is not a debatable thing, it's a conclusion drawn from the LACK of ANY scientific evidence that a flood happened during this specific stage in time. The lack of a cogent definition and the lack of a qualitative model shows what this is about. Simply, this is people wanting to beLIEve despite the facts.
@thorpeaaron1110 There was a tectonic flood, it covered the globe. Go look.
@@frosted1030 There was a tectonic flood that destroyed the face of the earth. Go look.
Buddy Davis is brilliant.
Since coming to Christ, this has been on of my favorite topics! I never cared much about dinosaurs because why would I care about an animal from millions of years ago? But now, they are just fascinating!! Would love to hear an interview about the topic of global warming.
They've fascinated me since I was just a kid and saw the first Jurassic Park.
My 9 year old loves Dinos and last week he was looking at a pic of an alligator and goes “I think Dinos are in the same family as alligators.” Well buddy…you are probably right! Loved this episode!
Allie, please give time to Reasons to Believe Hugh Ross or Fuz Rana. They give Biblical evidence that coincides with an old earth. (Not evolution from one species to another). If you see the earth and its layers of is obvious the earth is not young, and scientifically minded youth will see the problem.
Exactly. Michael Jones talks about this as well.
The earth is covered in rapid layed tectonic deposits. There was an event. That event caused all the volcanos ' ring of fire' look them up. This brought on the ice age. It was recent.
Go look at the sediment up close.
Yes & amen! Hugh Ross and the entire Reasons to Believe ministry helped straighten out so many things I was taught by (well intentioned) YEC.
Hugh Ross rejects catastrophism, such as the worldwide Flood. The rock layers were all laid down in the Flood. Despite Charles Lyell's best efforts to disprove the Bible with uniformitarianism, it did not take millions of years for those rock layers to form. Evidence against uniformitarianism: polystrate fossils, Mt. St. Helens, unfracturered bent rock layers, and lack of evidence for ancient bioturbation. I've also never heard Hugh Ross provide a satisfactory answer on how death, cancer, and thorns could have existed before sin (a heretical position to which he holds) without having to appeal to a non-biblical, non-scientific mythological tale.
Did God have to create the earth looking young? When the world first began it was in water. It was literally waste and God began to make it habitable but does that mean he made it look perfect? No, There were hills and mountains early on so we shouldn’t expect that when God created the world we should have been able to examen it and see that at the time it was young.
I am both a Christian and a science scholar and I am just continually disappointed in Christians' inability to see and understand nuance. Science proving that the earth is 4.6 billion years old and believing the creation account in Genesis is hyperbole does not all of a sudden mean there is no God and no creation. This digging in heels and insisting Genesis is literal and that the earth is only 6000 years old is the worst case of putting God in a box I've ever seen. To use the same argument back...how do you know the earth is 6000 years old...were you there?
Carbon dating and other forms of dating things is not based on belief. It is based on empirical evidence that can be tested and proven over and over and over consistently. Thinking that the earth is only 6000 years old is *really* limiting what we think God is capable of. The evidence continues to prove over and over that the earth is 4.6 billion years old, and that the universe is 13-26 billion years old. This fact is so mind boggling that it makes me even more in awe of God and the vastness of God's incredible creation! Just thinking about it affirms and strengthens my belief
God every time. It just gives us a tiny glimpse at the vast capabilities of God that surpasses all human understanding.
When it comes to evolution...same thing. Carbon dating *proves* consistently over and over that life on earth has exsisted for at least 3.7 billion years. Darwin certainly didn't get every detail right, but he got the big picture right. Darwin was Christian until around 40 when he became agnostic. But he was never an atheist because he recognized it takes just as much faith to not believe in God as it takes to believe in God. But he did not have an agenda, he was just observing and recording what was. Yes, evil people through history have used natural selection as an excuse for committing horrendous atrocities. But the thing is, those people were performing *intentional* selection...NOT natural selection.
No one takes *everything* in the Bible literally. Anyone can basically provide passages from scripture to argue pretty much any contradicting points they want. To really find meaning in the Bible, you have to read it according to the context of the various eras and cultures the books were written in. We have to use both the faculty of reason God gave us, and read with discernment. I think it's fallible to believe the Bible is infallible. It may have been inspired by an infallible God, but it was written by fallible humans. The measuring stick I use when reading scripture is the character of Jesus. If it aligns with His teachings, it is likely from God. If it contradicts His teachings, it is likely from humans.
Science does not disprove God's existence at all! Science just helps us understand the unfathomable complexity of God's creation. It explains the "how" ... but our faith explains "why." These things are not contradictory. Science helps us understand the incredible systems God created and set into motion. I believe God absolutely has a hand in all these processes, including the slow processes of geology and evolution! The sooner we can get rid of this false dichotomy between God and science, the better.
@einarabelc5273 You're just proving my point that some of y'all are incapable of understanding nuance and shades of gray. You can take Darwin out of it if you want and separate the concept from the person. What matters is that the biological concept is correct and provable. The scientific community has continued to only prove and improve on our understanding of evolution. Every dating system and continuous study of biology for the last 150 years has only solidified the fact that evolution is the law of constant change that ALL life on earth obeys. It is mind boggling and beautiful and continues to affirm my awe of the processes God set in motion. Science strengthens my faith!
I was with you until "I think it's fallible to believe the Bible is infallible. It may have been inspired by an infallible God, but it was written by fallible humans. The measuring stick I use when reading scripture is the character of Jesus. If it aligns with His teachings, it is likely from God. If it contradicts His teachings, it is likely from humans." Scripture claims infallibility and describes inspiration as fallible humans only writing what an infallible God told them to write. Certainly the writers were fallible, but not when they penned the Scriptures because Scripture is God's Words not theirs. Your measuring stick places the decision of what is infallible on fallible man not an infallible God. If Scripture is written by fallible men then how do you know that "the character of Jesus" is correctly portrayed? Certainly, we as fallible men can make mistakes in interpretation, but that doesn't change the infallible character of the Scriptures; it just highlights our own shortcomings, e.g. fallibility.
@davidbartlett6746 well the Bible was written by man....and edited and translated many times throughout the centuries.
We don't have any "bibles" from the time Jesus was alive. The copies of the Bible we have are from hundreds and hundreds of years after his death. Jesus was also from the middle east.... he would look nothing like the European style Jesus everyone has hanging on their wall. So his image has been corrupted...why wouldn't you think some books a bunch of random people wrote wouldn't be?
@@thomaslove6494 The "bible" that was in existence at the time of Jesus (1st Century) was what we would refer to as the Old Testament, and though we do not have a complete "bible" we do have portions contemporary to and proceeding the time of Jesus in the Dead Sea Scrolls. Additionally, even though the earliest copy of the complete New Testament we have is a few hundred years after the time of Jesus there are manuscripts of portions of the New Testament that are much closer. Further, scholars, secular and religious, date the writing of many of the books through internal analysis to within decades not centuries of Jesus' death.
Admittedly, that does not prove the infallibility of Scripture, however it does provide strong evidence that the form of the New Testament if changed from the original is slight and not a corrupted, unrecognizable copy of the original, similar to your analogy concerning Jesus' image. BTW, the Bible doesn't really describe Jesus' appearance nor do we have any pictures, so the European Jesus is simply a creation of man from whole cloth, and not a corrupted copy of a past image.
@@davidbartlett6746 I understand the Bible contains historical facts and is an invaluable resource to historians. But it is written in an extremely biased way of course. The only things in the Bible than can be used for historical record are the parts Corroborated by other unbiased sources. Everything else must be taken as myth and legend made up by men who had an agenda in furthering their beliefs. The Bible is a work of literature...not history.
Ken Ham visited our church here in Sydney Australia back in the 1990s. I've listened to him many times over the years and keep building on my belief of a young earth. I love the way he breaks it all down and explains it so clearly. Thank you.
Where's your scientific proof outside of Ken Ham's biased claims.
You know, I've started thinking that the earth could be old because Gemesis picks up when God had already cast Satan out of heaven. We dont know the time frame between that event that plunged the earth into its condition and when God created creation. I'm sure it's not billions of years but I wonder about that.
@@thorpeaaron1110someone never wants to trash his childhood dinosaur toys I see 😢
@@thorpeaaron1110 The earth is COVERED in it.
How does he explain animals getting to Australia? And why are kangaroos only in Australia?
I absolutely love that you're talking with Ken Ham! I got to meet him at Sherwood Baptist Church in Georgia. It was awesome! He's fantastic. And in person in your studio no less!
Ken Ham is so off. People believed (including many major church fathers) in old earth years before the scientific revolution. Gavin Ortlund dismantled Ham’s arguments very thoroughly and yet lovingly.
Gavin Ortland did a fantastic job.
Literally not one of the original church fathers that I have seen believed in millions of years. They believed differently about the days, Augustine thought it was instant and some others thought it could’ve been 15 thousand or so years old. Not one thought of millions of years, that literally came after Darwinism.
@@OseiasChiquellaJunior-jm2id Way older than that.
Whenever I feel in the mood for a good laugh, I only need to tune in to Ken. I’ll admit that, in my sane moments, it does puzzle me that anyone who thinks they have an adult intellect believes such a load of arrogant drivel.
It's good to be happy with God today praise God praying for everyone everyday God bless you all
Fantastic conversation! You know, while you're at it, I would recommend you interview paleontologist Marcus Ross as he may add some more meat to this subject!
Pleasant words are a honeycomb sweet to the soul and healing to the bones praise God praying for everyone everyday God bless you all
Allie, I just want to say I'm so glad to find your channel, it has been very helpful for me in learning about God and His Will and how awesome He is!
I love Ken as a brother, but I respectfully disagree with most of this. I am at least very appreciative that he finally has clarified that Old Earth Creationists (OECs) are indeed Christians, contrary to what he has implied before in previous discussions and taken some heat for.
He stereotypes OECs as purporting "I don't believe Gen 1-11 is literal because evolution says so". He doesn't share the actual primary reason behind many of these Christians' belief in OEC, which is not the science, but rather analyzing the literary genre of Genesis so that we can do a correct hermeneutical reading of the text.
In the video, Ken says "why do people take Gen 1-11 in particular [as allegory], and why not other parts of Scripture?". Well Ken, Christians DO actually take other parts of Scripture non-literally. Revelation is apocalyptical imagery, the Psalms are poetry, the prophets are highly hyperbolic, and the parables in the gospels are not to be read literally. He makes it sound like Christians take all the rest of scripture as woodenly literal too! How Ken "missed" this basic fact of biblical hermeneutics is astounding. What he needs to do is provide reasons, from the Scriptural text of Genesis itself, for why he classifies Genesis 1-11 into the literary genre of literalistic historical biography when more than 1/3 of the Hebrew OT is not in this genre.
The Bible is not a scientific textbook. It's purpose is not to teach us a botany lesson on mustard seeds being the smallest of all seeds (Mark 4:31), that the Sun revolves around Earth (Psalm 104:5, etc), that a literal dragon will walk onto the land (Rev 13), or that snakes and God both once walked around on legs (Gen 3:8-13).
You have no scientific textbooks that aren't hand squiggles and guesses. Even Lucy was hand crafted from crushed bones, and included a baboon bone.
There was no abiogenesis. What else don't you have? Plenty
@@UserRandJ Yes, I suppose you're right - my astronomy textbook is just a squiggle guess about the Earth revolving around the Sun. Science just doesn't give us any high level of certainly about fundamental regularity in the world God created ;) We should tell all scientists to stop researching.
Great post
@343jonny Well, it is pretty special that God is a personable God. He has built a beautiful world for us to live in but it's been a sad place through history. It's easy to see the need for a Saviour.
God Bless.
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@@UserRandJ It is very special indeed! We are called to steward his beautiful creation and explore it - because as we learn about his creation, we learn about our Creator and Savior! God bless you too!
YEC theology was one of the concepts that I found so repellant about evangelical Protestantism that I spent close to a decade of my life rejecting Christianity outright. Thank God I found Orthodoxy, where the church does not take a dogmatic position on how to interpret Genesis. You can believe in YEC if you really want too, but its not a requirement to receive God's grace through the holy mysteries (sacraments) of the church. Speaking of Genesis and sacraments, can someone explain how it is that Protestantism, particularly American Evangelical Protestantism, gets so preoccupied with a strict literal interpretation of the creation account in Genesis, but when Jesus Christ himself makes explicit mention of things like the sacrament of confession, the Eucharist, fasting as a form of spiritual discipline and a regular part of Christian life, everything all of a sudden becomes a metaphor about grape juice?
You are referring to Baptists, not all ECs.
Don’t the church fathers believe in YEC
I think it's profound that God made the light and separated it from the dark before He created the heavens (sun, moon, and stars).
Please elaborate on this because I've been curious about it!
Read Genesis Chapter 1. You'll see what God made on each day.
That's because the Light from day 1 to day 4 was God Himself. He is the Light of the world after all.
@@shawnclinton1829 ohh thank you! 🤯
@@shawnclinton1829 That kind of sounds like some weird rehashing of the Arian heresy tbh. God as some kind of created entity? oof
The thing that convinced me the earth was young is learning, that carbon dating is more speculation than actual fact. And the fact we’re finding soft tissue in dinosaur bones.
My question has always been, if there was 'evolution' why did it stop? Why aren't monkey's still "evolving into humans" if it was so true? Why aren't fish still coming out of the sea to grow legs and turn into mammals? I saw those videos with Bill Nye, or most of them. I was so turned off by his negative attitude. Not even wanting to see, and understand, what Ken was sharing with him.
Yessssss ! Completely agree!
Yep- where are the half ape- half humans?
We share a common ancestor
If evolution takes millions of years, how do you know it stopped?
Part of it is because evolution takes millions of years to occur. So animals could (and will) still evolve. Not all monkeys evolved into humans for various reasons. Maybe certain groups of monkeys didn't need to evolve in order to survive.
I would recommend people look into that Mt. St. Helen’s radio-metric dating example. It’s actually very well refuted by Christian and secular scientists alike and there are some great detailed analyses showing how the testing was done inaccurately. Ken Ham is being dishonest by continuing to use this as an example, portraying it as if it somehow calls radio-metric dating methods into question. It’s concerning that he feels the need to resort to deceptive arguments in order to give his position credibility, especially as a Christian.
How was it refuted?
@@davidandthatotherguy1369 I’d recommend looking up Kevin R. Henke’s article on the topic, it goes super in depth explaining everything wrong with the testing. Generally, the incorrect test was done and was itself also done incorrectly.
@@veronicaelise5120how so?
@@thorpeaaron1110 It’s somewhat complicated and I don’t want to misrepresent what it says by attempting to paraphrase it. The article is titled ‘Young Earth Creationist ‘Dating’ of a Mt. St. Helens Dacite.’
@@veronicaelise5120Oh I know that Young Earth Creationism is impossible
Love brother ken. Have more conversations like this
Other conversations will make you think.
@@smokyquartz5817 Think about the foolishnes and the evilness of unbelievers: "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good."
I’m a Christian and have been keeping an open mind on this subject for decades. I would love to see a truly scientific debate/argument for young earth.
Chuck Missler, his Genesis series is amazing!
I'd recommend Joel Duff's youtube channel or blog (Natural Historian). He is a professor and Christian and points out countless issues with young earth creation from a scientific viewpoint.
@tomw.1793 No it's real easy to spot the sediment was put down with fast flowing water, and the unconformities had nothing to do with glaciers.
You will not find a "truly scientific" debate. There is nothing to debate. Earth is approx. 4,5 billion years old, some say 4,6. The 0.1 does not need debate.
I love Ken and Answers in Genesis! Completely convicted in young earth!
So you like bs
@@thorpeaaron1110 not yours
@@kimtate2285I mean YEC is bs
@@thorpeaaron1110 prove it 😂
@@kimtate2285Carbon Dating why does Ken Ham avoid it if he's so sure of the Young Earth story.
2 Peter 3:8
But do not forget one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years and a thousand years is like a day.
Don’t forget Psalm 90:4
Ken Ham is amazing. This is your best episode yet, Allie!
I love listening to scientists who believe in God.
A little confused, are you saying that you would prefer that Allie have actual Christian scientists on her show rather than guys like Ken Ham? If so, I agree. It definitely would be more helpful if Allie would have actual scientists who understand the relationship between the scripture and his creation (science).
Ken Ham isn't a scientist
I'm saying I love listening to scientists who believe in God. It's a pretty simple straightforward comment.
@@corrysmith The confusion is whether you are saying Ken Ham is a scientist or not. Ken Ham has no scientific training. He taught science at a Christian school briefly, that's the extent of his connection to science.
@@bjn3232 I understand how my statement is being interpreted which is why I reposted my first comment that I love listening to scientists who love God in the attempt to reiterate my position on scientists who love God. At no point did I say Ken Ham was or was not a scientist because that's not the point of my statement. The point of my statement is exactly what I stated. I love listening to scientists who love God.
I wish Ken Ham would be honest and admit that other interpretations of Genesis 1-11 are not simply reinterpretations because of modern scientific thought, e.g. evolution and age of earth. There are not only modern biblical scholars who arrive at a different interpretation by textual analysis, but also historical Christians prior to Darwinism, i.e. Augustine, who held other interpretations.
Yes, unfortunately, Augustine held to a Greek view of the universe which the Theory of Evolution is based on.
Ken Hams entire ministry is riding on 24 hour days and a global flood. He’s cornered himself because he’s determined that his interpretation is infallible.
@@Terrylb285 At least his interpretation is based on the Bible and not man's fallible thoughts.
@@modernjosephus356 so are the other interpretations, Ken says if you don’t believe his interpretation you don’t believe the Bible . Ken is using his understanding to determine how to interpret, since he is fallible also I guess he’s using his fallible thoughts as well.
@@Terrylb285 The other interpretations are through eisegesis and not threw exegesis. I prefer only believing what is plainly written instead of stuffing beliefs outside the Bible into it. Genesis 1 is plain. God created the Earth in 6 earth Days. Any other interpretation is adding to the Bible.
Why are some Christians threatened by the concept of a Universe that is billions of years old?
First, because it is a lie. No need for a second reason.
@@deanmuhl7417 Let me guess. You are a Bible literalist who believes Earth is 6,000 years old.
LOL, you've got to be joking. @@deanmuhl7417
@@mfburk2010 More than that, I'm a Bible literalist who believes the young earth is flat planed and doesn't move through endless "space" because it was set on a foundation with a cornerstone.
They would have to think for the first time. They hate that.
Is Allie to dinosaurs what Matt Walsh is to aliens?
I've studied Ken Ham's work and others for years. It seems to me that understanding Genesis for the obvious literal historical account it's meant to be, vs saying "there's no way the Earth is that young, so clearly we have to read Genesis as metaphorical", is the same dichotomy as atheism vs Christianity as a whole. You can't prove either... but archaeology, astronomy, biology, and science as a whole is pretty clearly on only one side of this. You can believe whatever you want because neither can be _proven..._ but if you read into all the science literature you can find about the age of the Earth, it's just obvious that it lines up with Genesis as a literal historical account. Most people nowadays just find that hard to swallow because they've been taught Darwinian evolution in school from before they could even read and write.
>"but if you read into all the science literature you can find about the age of the Earth, it's just obvious that it lines up with Genesis as a literal historical account."
Can you cite the peer reviewed scientific paper that cites the Earth is 6000 years old?
Because if you trace back lineages and take Genesis as a "literal historical account", it comes out to be about 6000 years old. Kind of puts a wrench in the idea of digging up fossils of animals that lived millions of years ago.
Ask him about the firmament and the shape of the earth.
Why?
Allie, PLEASE 🙏 bring Hugh Ross or Fuz Rana onto your show and ask them all the same questions. You will not be disappointed. Their ministry (Reasons to Believe) will clear up any false perceptions of old earth creationism. Please, kids need to know that science & scripture are harmonious!
Oh what do they believe?
I believe in biblical cosmology. Bible and other scripture left out by man over science.
I am subscribed to this channel because Allie usually does such a great job. Unfortunately, this episode is cringe worthy because Ken Ham may actually be causing harm to the Kingdom by telling people (including non-believers) that the Bible says something that the Bible does not say. The Bible does not say that the earth is fixed, flat, or young. We know for a fact that all of these beliefs are mis-interpretations because 100% of actual observable science (true science is the examination of Gods creation) proves that the the earth has no foundation, it’s shape is round, and it’s age is old. I could write for hours on this subject because there is so much biblical evidence in addition to the actual God given natural evidence. For the sake of time, I’ll just make one comment. Genesis ch:2 is a more detailed account of the end of creation day 6 of chapter 1. Anyone using good hermeneutics while reading Gen 2 can not honestly come to the conclusion that all the events described there happened in the last few hours of a 24 hour day. The chapter would literally make no sense interpreted that way. The first words Adam said after seeing Eve for the first time was, “At long last!” Does it make sense for Adam to make that statement if ALL the events leading up to Eve’s creation took only a few minutes at the end of a 24 hour day? Of course not!
Lastly, I was trained to believe the same as Ken and Allie regarding earth age but I finally gave it up when I examined actual biblical and scientific evidence. I pray that Ken and others who teach this false doctrine will repent soon so that non believers can see that true science is the examination of God’s creation, and we know that God is not trying to fool us with his creation that screams old.
Amen!
I believe there is some evolution within species but not that a monkey became man
Also Adam and Eve were real people
I’m sorry but your comment is written in the right place but ignores key points Ken talked about. Creationist believe that the earth is young *From Gods word* in conjunction with Common Era Dating. We can literally count down using the dates given in today, as in now, to work backwards and figure out the Biblical age of the earth. And *Most Importantly* Ken clearly said that he does not think this issue is a factor in Salvation. He can challenge your View on that but he’s not saying you won’t make it into heaven on it. Does it cause Christians to think, yes, but should it cause them to stumble, no. All those who have faith in Jesus Christ will find out when we meet our Lord. Hope it helps.
Melodramatic at best- you're emotional speil was a comedy. He's never called the earth flat- so you're a liar and a drama seeker. Where's your science ? Even Lucy was hand crafted from crushed bones and included a baboon bone. You have no science that was not hand drawn squiggles.
This just shows that not everyone needs a podcast
You can believe in Genesis 1 literally and believe in an old earth. The Hebrew word in Genesis "yom" can be translated as a 24 hour period of time or as a long but finite period of time.
I do suppose that's true. I believe that that's a personal decision, though, and if you believe one or the other it's ok.
@@ChibiPanda8888 yes, it is not a salvation issue. But it can affect the faith of students who are taught that the Bible says the earth is young, yet they study geology or astronomy and see that the earth is far more than 10,000 years old.
@@jcthomas3408 I agree. I personally believe in an old earth but I don’t really care if someone believes in a young earth. The problem is when people turn it into a primary issue and become dogmatic about it, like Ken Ham.
@@Wentletrap213 yes, it is not a salvation issue, but it can be problematic for youth who are taught a young earth, then study earth sciences and see clear evidence of an old earth. (Ice cores, sedimentarylayers, tree rings, coral reef, etc.)
@@jcthomas3408 I agree
This discussion was so interesting to listen to and the comments are too!
Carbon dating is how they determine age of artifacts and bones...this is 3rd grade knowledge. I'm a follower of Christ but you can't sit here and diminish the importance and credibility of archeology.
No question there are many things people have trouble understanding.
Certain parts of Christianity are steadfast, they should all just stick to those.
You know, the basics. Neither drunkards nor idolaters nor homosexuals will enter the kingdom of heaven.
And we all know Jesus makes it clear that those things aren't simply literal.
Murder isn't simply killing someone. We can also commit murder in our hearts.
Inasmuch homosexuality isn't just the ACT, we commit the homosexuality in our hearts and desires.
And thus those homosexuals will not enter the kingdom of heaven.
Ken Ham shouldn't make assumptions. Jesus' word is enough.
Since it came from Jesus mouth himself that if a married man looks at a woman lustfully he has already committed adultery with her..... thus if a married woman looked at another woman lustfully she has already committed homosexuality (AND ADULTERY).
Praise the Lord that unlike Genesis, Jesus is perfectly clear in terms of homosexuality and adultery. Those people will not enter the kingdom. Will not.
Carbon dating is far from an infallible science
In high school i learned about evolution - coming from s completely secular worldview. Basic logic, math, and biology showed me it is obviously impossible. Why isn't that obvious to every educated person?
The same reason people forgot that high school bio used to teach that viruses are small enough to pass through fabric and health class taught that sneezes and coughs can send saliva much farther than 10 ft.
@@beepbopboop3221 and that viruses mutate. And XX/XY, but we won’t go there today…
That's because evolution is real. You can be a Christian and believe in evolution.
😢😢be careful you cannot believe in evolution and be saved. Repent and confess what God says and believe in Jesus.
@@christinejoseph3366You can be a Christian and believe in Evolution.
Thank you so much for having him on! This issue has bothered me for so many years. I made it through four years of college to get a biological engineering degree without falling prey to the natural origins religion, but that's not true for too many people. I have a friend who became an atheist after college because evolutionary science sounded so convincing.
Because it's scientific fact
@@thorpeaaron1110 It's not, though. If you objectively examine the evidence you're given, you'll see how subjective the interpretations are.
@@letfreedomring7330Because that's what science it's not a dogmatic thing like religion it's constantly changing.
@@thorpeaaron1110 New discoveries are being made all the time. Finding the actual data they discover and use is difficult if you're not looking for it. The textbooks and the articles publish conclusions and interpretations as fact.
"The earth is billions of years old. Men can be women. Masks slow the spread of covid. Covid vaccines saved millions of lives." As with the other things look at the data, sans outside interpretation, and then decide if it really means what they say. Carbon dating methods are extremely unreliable, but they don't say that in the science books. They're very... dogmatic.
@@thorpeaaron1110 By the way, I love science, and I read textbooks and studies for fun.
I think it's great how most famous scientists are Christians too!!!
Where did you get that from? Scientist come with lots of other backgrounds and not all "famous" scientists were/are Christian.
I agree with you on most things, Allie. However, as a Christian, I do think that young earth creationism is at odds with reality. Ken Ham is a brother, but I just don't buy the idea that the universe is only about 6 to 10k years old. Even Spurgeon, and many of the original "fundamentalists", believed the universe was at least millions of years old.
So what you mean is “I just don’t buy the idea of Gods word being accurate”. That’s what you are saying.
@@dustinduminske5627 No. And stop it.
@@dustinduminske5627 Do you also conclude then that Spurgeon didn't buy the idea that the Bible is accurate? C'mon, brother.
@@Alan112573 yes I do. My authority is not to the word of Spurgeon. It’s to the word of God.
@@dustinduminske5627 So are you suggesting that I (and Spurgeon) aren't Christians? Or just that in this specific area, we're just wrong?
This man is a great blessing to the church. He has helped me renew my mind after public school and growing up non Christian. May the Lord bless him and his work over the years!
I love Ken Ham and AIG.
I remember participating in a kids Paleontology course at Queensland Museum when I was 12. Learned about the Jurassic, Triassic and Cretaceous periods. It was pretty fun.
Yesssss! Excited for this episode. Even before i became a Bible believing christian i questioned whether dinosaurs (etc) were real 😂🤔
What was your non-biblical reasoning for question the existence of 'dinosaurs (etc)' and what do you mean by '(etc)'?
@@saynotoh2o747 my non-Biblical reasoning was just the realization that a lot of science taught as facts was actually just theories. Specifically, I watched a documentary called First Man which was about neanderthals etc, all the different iterations of humans from which we supposedly descended, and in that documentary they said (paraphrasing) "...and it was around this time that laughing was developed." And I was like how on earth could they have determined THAT from ANYTHING archeologists have uncovered??? Granted this was one documentary but it's what really made me start questioning everything else I've been taught by "scientists" and "experts". Look at the last three years for another example. People, whether it's scientists, teachers, textbook authors, or just lay people, tend to present things as facts when they have no clue what they're talking about. Look at the food pyramid we were taught in the 80s and how that has been turned on its head. Science can change, new discoveries are made. But there is a lack of humility, generally speaking, when things are presented. I was taught Darwinism in school. I think it's impossible to accurately date anything as X million or X billion years old. I understand it's based on formulas based on short term evidence that you factor out to make an educated guess for long term time - but that's all it can ever be: a guess. So what I mean by "etc" is carbon dating, the age of the earth, the age of the universe, the iterations of mankind, and while we're in the topic, how long it will take plastic water bottles to decompose. They say 500 years but plastic hasn't been around that long so fact is there is NO way to know beyond guessing. But do they have the humility to disclose that part? No. It's presented as facts. And most people don't even question it. Infuriating.
@@xbriannaxbananaxIt is impossible
Love love loveeee that you had a different perspective on this topic. It's always the same but Ken ham offers a different perspective and I love to hear it. 👏👏👏👏
So excited for this episode! Two of my favorite people!!
Ken is a legend! He was like a wise and humorous uncle to my homeschooling kids! We made it to the museum as soon as it opened! And now my grandkids have visited the ark! 😊
I see he has ruined two generations.
@@thorpeaaron1110 What an emotional wreck you are.
I had wanted to go to the Ark ever since it opened, and my family finally got to go a couple of years ago. I'd love to go back.
Yes dinosaurs are real. You should also get Dr. Jason Lisle, Dr. Sarfati on there. For Protestants, you should get James White and Gavin Otlund.
Ken Ham is an amazing man. I love Answers in Genesis. 🧬 🌿 🦕
Genesis 1. ...Now the earth was formless and empty...(but for how long ago?) If I build something out of LEGOS, well, those particular lego pieces from the manufacturer could be way older than my created object of course. Time of Formlessness vs. Creation time. Either way, God.
and whose to say that the 6 days of creation were 6 consecutive days? let alone literal days as we understand them because the sun was not created until the 3rd "day" and our definition of a "day" is totally dependent on a fully formed planet earth completing a full rotation around it's axis and half of the planet facing toward and half facing away from the sun during that time.
@@williammollyvanronzelen8241 and also noting that the bible specifically used the word "greater light" and not "sun". The word sun was used later. I'm thinking in terms of the Earth's vapors and atmosphere finally allowing light etc. hmmm. and perhaps we're still in the "8th day" we're in just one iteration of creation, just the saved NPCs along the storyline promise to Abraham. Doesn't matter actually. Not how or when, but who.
The raging ocean covered everything right? Was there salt? How about 20.9 percent oxygen? Was thermodynamics established?- heat rising?
How far back do you want to speculate on Gods work? Jake
@@UserRandJThere is no God
Dang this is better than skibidy toilet! Edit never mind it's definitely not. Edit again it's so so much worse.
I have to say, though, that while I agree with them about a literal Genesis interpretation, look at Song of Solomon. That's not literal. It's poetry. If you took that literally, there would be some really weird interpretations. Each book has to be interpreted as the kind of literature it was intended to be.
Correct! And Genesis is History. It is a straw man to argue that the entire Bible shouldn't be taken literally. Just like you said, there are many forms of literature within scripture, and the Bible isn't 1 book. It is many.
@@IWasBlindButNowISeeJesusGenesis isn't history it's a Foundational Myth made for the Isarelites.
@@thorpeaaron1110 Not according to Jesus, the prophets and apostles. 100% historical fact.
@@deanmuhl7417They aren't historians they're religious figures 😂😂😂 the Apostles can't even write their own names.
@@deanmuhl7417Also the prophets were Jewish of course they'll believe their own myth.
There’s a mountain of evidence that states otherwise
I agree! Let's read the book of Genesis and believe it! Man says the Earth is surrounded by a vacuum but Genesis 1 says the Earth is surrounded by water. Man says the Moon is a reflector of the sunlight but Genesis one says it's a light itself. God created two lights a greater light and a lesser light. These are truths that even Ken Ham struggles with.
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Yeah, they are do bend to man's wisdom when it comes to many things about the way the earth and heavens are described in the Bible.
Reflective light can still be a light; I'd recommend looking up Dr. Jason Lisle on that one. But yes, Scripture is correct.
@@1Corinthians6Verses9thru11 You see how you just did an Eisegesis interpretation of Scripture? The text says 2 lights and gives a description that one light is greater and the other is lesser. If you never went to public school you wouldn't question that there are two independent lights in the heavens above.
If it was reflected light it would carry the same characteristics of the source light. Moon light is OPPOSITE of sunlight in every way. The moon gives off HER light whereas the sun is like a MAN running a race.
There is nothing about what modern man claims about the moon's substance that would make it a reliable reflector.
A) the earth is surrounded by water. Go learn some science. Literally billions of gallons of water is in the atmosphere as water vapor. B) the light that comes from the moon is NOT the same as the light that comes from the sun. Yes it is reflected but it is changed by the moon in terms of wavelengths. C) The Moon DOES create light - gamma rays - and it does so by its interaction with cosmic waves not simply because of the sun. D) Genesis thousands of year ahead of modern science indicates that light is distinguishable from its source. - we came to realize this though the discovery of photons. We see this in genesis day one when light - photons are created with no reference to a source. TO this day we say "moonlight" because that light is coming from the moon not because we think its source is in the moon alone. Therefore its pedantic nonsense to claim the bible cannot use the same terms we still use today... and no the word moon nowhere appears in genesis one. Genesis one is concerned with what people see on earth not the originating source ( day one doesn't even have a source).
Ken Ham is solid. I used a lot of his recommended material while homeschooling children.
I used to believe dinosaurs were non-existent because of what darwinism did with them and the whole Creation timeline, but in the end, they did exist, and the Bible even mentions some of them: leviathan, behemoth, Jonah's great fish, the great sea creatures of Genesis, and according to Hebrew understanding of Genesis, some animals were actually "great animals" you would translate as "dinosaurs" nowadays...
I actually believe some of the water ones still exist today. I mean, look at Nessie and the megalodon, amongst other odd water creatures that people concoct conspiracytheories about. We haven't explored most of the ocean; there may be some species down deeper than we can get to right now that are unknown as yet to science.
You clearly don’t understand what dinosaurs are, because none of those besides perhaps Behemoth could actually be describing a dinosaur. No dinosaurs, I’ll repeat, NO DINOSAURS were fully aquatic or marine. Ichthyosaurs, Mosasaurs, Thalattosuchians, and Plesiosaurs/Pliosaurs were NOT dinosaurs. And I’m not sure why they’d be called a “Great fish” since they’re not even remotely fish in any way, shape, or form. Also would like to point out that all of those are the names for individual animals, not entire species or “kinds” or whatever. An individual creature called Leviathan, an individual called Behemoth, etc etc. Also, last point, Leviathan was a multi-headed sea serpent, and again Jonah’s great fish was a fish (or maybe a whale but referred to as a fish for some reason). Neither could possibly be describing a dinosaur, in fact, no descriptions of ANY animals in the Bible could possibly be of a dinosaur (unless they are describing birds). It takes dishonesty and purposeful ignorance, as well as gigantic leaps in logic and interpretation, to think any of these things could be
If dinosaurs didn't exist, why does Ken have them all over the Ark encounter? One of these people is - let's say - wrong?
When did Ken ever say dinosaurs never existed?
When did I say Ken said this? But you'd think he might have said something to that woman who said they didn't exist? Isn't he supposed to be an authority or something? Even though he knows nothing about dinosaurs.
One person is very blond and very stupid the other one is a con, who is making up stupid and nonsensical stuff to sell.
I really like Ken Ham… and I think he gets a lot of things right… but I also think he gets some things wrong.
While I would tend to agree with Ken that the earth may not be billions of years… I’m also not sure I believe it’s only 6000 years old.
It is billions of years old
@@thorpeaaron1110 That sediment went down recently. Go look at it. Went down in moving water/ rapid. Unconformities were not made by thousands of glaciers.
@@UserRandJ It was
i'm Ken ! I live in cloud cooky land ! i talk utter drivel ! and people actually believe him !
As homeschoolers, we’ve used some Answers in Genesis curriculum and loved it! This was a great discussion. My question for him would be about Pangea. Is it just an evolutionist theory or was this also a result of the flood?
I'm a creationist and have heard and studied this stuff a bit. I think I've heard that the Pangea did actually exist, but the flood somehow broke it apart. Perhaps it was the tectonic plates moving when the waters came up "from the deep," but it broke apart either during or shortly after the flood. Don't quote me on this because I'm not a scientist or anything, but I think that's what I've heard from AIG and other creationist sources.
@@ChibiPanda8888 Thank you!
So you dumbed down your children?
As an Australian we disown you Ken. If you want to attack evolution go learn what it is first. Evolution is a fact.
Did dinosaurs exist? They still exist today. The komoto dragon is a "terrible lizard".
Dinosaurs are birds, not lizard related.
Indeed dinosaurs exist today . They are called "birds."
@@AlgyPug I'll bite. Birds are birds and reptiles are reptiles. They literally can teach anything in colleges and universities and the students will lap it up without questioning it.
I believe they do. I'd venture to say, though, that the ones who do exist live in the ocean or very deep lakes. Animals like Nessie may be one of this type. You have the megalodon as well. I do realize that those are just theories but the ocean is deep enough that we don't quite know what's actually down there.
Thank you so much for having Ken Ham on! Thankful for this Champion of the faith!
As a christian and being that I cannot blindly agree with a souce that has little to no credibility. I have to say Ken Ham is a terrible and completely non-scientific resource for the argument of creation. Ken Ham consistently and deliberately misrepresents scientific processes. He literally lies to try to prove his point. It is completely unacceptable and hurts the church far more than it brings anyone to Christ. Being that the majority of what he is saying is not backed by any peer reviewed articles he should be ignored outright. I personally do believe in creation I don't know exactly what that looks like. However I can say without a doubt that what Ken Ham is saying almost certainly is not an accurate representation of reality.
I’m so glad you had Ken Ham on, he was one of first apologists I listened to and I think he’s got some very good points. We love dinosaurs 🦕 in my household, and often roll our eyes when we hear the claim that they lived hundreds of millions of years ago, before man ever existed.
They don’t know that, but these ‘facts’ are claimed with such confidence! Wonderful interview Allie, can’t wait to listen to part 2! 😊
@@alunwilliams1191how do you know
@einarabelc5273 I don't think she's after your opinion nanna. Jake
They did live before humans that's common knowledge.
@thorpeaaron1110 It's commonly thought. Knowledge you say? Any ideas where the dinosaurs evolved from? What is below them? Nothing. They appear in the mud. No cousins. No itty bitty dinos. J
@@UserRandJDinosaurs did not evolve mammals including humans came from little shroos mouse-like creatures who hid in the ground when the Dinosaurs went extinct.
You should have Dr Hugh Ross on!
Why? That would be a terrible idea.
Hugh Ross seems like such a humble and godly man! He would have been a much better choice.
@@bjn3232It's not "humility" to simply accept the trends of the age, that clearly contradict the Words of Infallible God.
@@1Corinthians6Verses9thru11have you read anything written by Dr. Ross? How does he contradict God's revelation?
@@1Corinthians6Verses9thru11Why is it infallible?
I lean more towards the earth is older than 6 thousand years, I could be wrong but this verse has always made me wonder: 2 Peter 3:8-9 reads: 'But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. Makes me wonder if creation took longer because to God a day is a thousand years. It doesn't really matter to me either way just an interesting thing to think about 🙂
Allie, two words: John Walton. Check him out.
Creationism is a false doctrine. God wants us to value science, not dismiss it or abuse it.
Mutations couldn't make a compost heap let alone camouflage and sonar systems in the same creature.
Not hard to use both your eyes to see the globe covered in rapid sediment. It's beautiful to behold. Go take a look.
@@UserRandJ Would you say no true Christian denies Creationism?
@Darth_Loverboy_Turned_Loose I would say a true Christian is someone that confeses Jesus as Lord and Saviour. But what's that got to do with science? You call Ken's ministry a false doctrine, but you can't show evidence for abiogenesis, or mutations creating advanced systems in animals such as camouflage and sonar. Lucy was hand crafted from crushed bones, including a baboon bone- so where are the transitional fossils? How can you not see the mass sediment was not layed down rapidly? Way too much evidence for Genesis. You are mocking Gods Word.
@@UserRandJ So, your answer is "yes". A true Christian HAS to believe in Creationism. Creationism is the crux of Christianity now. Not Jesus. Not God. Not the Bible. But Ken Ham and his contrived doctrine is the secret to the Kingdom of Heaven. I can say and even believe that Jesus is my Lord and Savior, but unless I swear allegiance to Creationism in His name I won't go to Heaven. Is that it? Creationism is a FALSE doctrine that turns people away from Christ and toward whatever cultish leader is peddling it.
I’ve heard him speak before, but I really enjoyed this interview afresh!
'My bike break down today. I create my bike.'
Both context and terms tell us what (b) 'I create my bike' can normally mean in relation to (a) 'My bike break down today'. The same principle applies to Genesis 1, but NOT without regard for HEBREW grammar. Two examples are:
'darkness' in v. 2 being alike to 'darkness' in Exodus 19:9; Psalm 97:2; Job 3:1-9, 22:11-17, 38:9; Deuteronomy 4:11; and Psalm 18:11
and
ancient Hebrew has no pluperfect verb (had, had had, had been, etc). Instead, ancient Hebrew relies, as some other ancients languages do, on universal Natural Knowledge to communicate or exegete the chronology of what otherwise would be a radically odd part of a chronologically straightforward narrative.
This is because of three UNIVERSAL things:
U1: Natural Language is a function primarily of the universal self-evidence of Life-affirming, Earth-affirming, Divine Design. It is not mainly or broadly a function of the idea of 'the logically possible.'
U2: The nature of a chronologically straightforward narrative is that the first parts of the narrative semantically condition the latter parts, NOT the other way.
U3: NORMAL, plain literal usage often may involve topical considerations without exactingly narrow regard for chronology.
As a Christian, I am dismayed to listen to such ignorance. Believers are called to be wise not silly and self-deluded.
Which part are you referring to?
ignorance? how so?
So if you are a Christian, do you believe you - or any person - is smarter or more powerful than God? Scripture says, "Professing to be wise they became fools". Christianity is completely based on what we learn in Scripture. We cannot pick and choose what to believe. Who gets to decide what parts are true and what parts aren't? If one truly believes in God, he will believe that He is all powerful and all knowing and He can do ALL things. WE are the created. If you created an amazing piece of art and gave it a voice, would you be offended if it claimed to know more than you? Would you be upset if it claimed it came about by accident or that someone else made it? If it was only a few hours old wouldn't you think it was ridiculous if it claimed to know the secrets of the universe? YOU created it. It would be nothing without you.
@@Lisa-16You're comparing apples to oranges here
Yeah, some of this is so unbelievably cringe.
❤ Incredible information…powerful! Thankyou!
One of your best episodes so far!! I was recently studying Job and trying to figure out what behemoth and leviathan were! They sure didnt sound like just a hippo or crocodile! I looked around the internet and found a few christian biblical archaeology sites that said that these were giant mammals that have now become extinct. They said they were not dinosaurs as dinosaurs existed millions of years ago. They then went on to say that God re-created the earth in Genesis and that there could already have been an earth with some life form existing before that. I didn't know what to think of it, but here you are with this episode today, and it answers all my doubts. I know what to believe now. When Ken Ham said there was no death before Adam and so the fossils couldn't have been from before Adam did it for me! Thanks Ken and Allie!
Where are Adam and Eve's bones?
I used to have the same problems with the Bible and Science especially concerning dragons and why we're they are millions of years old. The same goes for those who hold the the gap or day age "theory" that Helel/Halal- the Hebrew name for the devil and wondering why a loving and righteous God would punish his "first" creation while the devil got off easy. Post creation rebellion by Halal is what fits the most and best.
@thorpeaaron1110 long decomposed or buried in one the caches of the Knights Templar or they are possibly in the Ark of The Covenant.
@@thorpeaaron1110 Where are Lucy's bones? They were hand crafted/ restored/ fabricated from crushed bones and included a baboon bone.
@@thorpeaaron1110dust. Just like yours would be if you lived that far back ago and were buried in the ground like they were.
We actually don’t know what they sounded like but sometimes there are mummified skin and sometimes there are feather imprints in bones
Three Bible uses "Day" both to man 24 hours and in some contexts, it also means an age... he compares ir to use of the terms male and female but those are never used in any other way other than to describe male and female. .. I've always found Ken Hams logic to be unconvincing and this certainly hasn't changed my mind.
Day can mean "day". Especially when followed by "evening and morning, one day". Every single scholar of ancient Hebrew says that it was written to mean 1, 24hr. Day. You don't accept that , and that's fine , but you cannot change the facts. Believe it or not.
@@IronMattEver study Hebrew?
@thorpeaaron1110 no, but I have seen some interviews and documentaries on the topic and testimonials of Hebrew professors,multiple times from biblical and secular jews as well. I'm just sharing what I've learned.
@@IronMatt Does it support Ken Ham's claims
@thorpeaaron1110 yes