@@mrsmith3260I guess Jesus and the Apostles never understood the Torah or the Prophets? How was Anyone Saved Before the writings of the Apostles were compiled?! lol
Which law? The Torah? Because that was done 2000 years ago. The Israelites couldn’t keep it either. We walk in the Spirit of God and keep the Law of Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. Romans 8:2
@@debblouin of course, they could keep the law, they chose not to, God said all the way back in Deuteronomy 30 that it wasn’t too difficult. This is just another man-made Christianese saying that we have adopted as doctrine. But it is a lie. By the way, John, reiterates that his commandments are not burdensome. But we’ve been trained to not hear that as well. Revelation 14:12 says it all, “here are those who KEEP the commandments of God, AND the faith of Jesus“. Notice how this is New Testament. You need both happening. And for all those who think that Paul preached the end of the law, please see Romans 3:31 and then define the word “establish ““.
They aren't 'Jewish feasts' they are biblical feasts and the literal substance of them is Jesus Christ (Col 2:17, Rom14:5). Many of the festivals are commanded in the OT as an 'everlasting ordinance' and celebrated by Christians in the NT (ie. Jesus last supper which we do as communion is a Passover dinner-Matt 26) and Paul says to 'keep the festival' (1Cor5:8), celebrating Pentecost is 'feast of harvest/weeks/first fruits' they just call it something different (Shavuot). They celebrate it for giving of the 10 commandments on Mt. Sinai, we celebrate it for receiving the indwelling Holy Spirit who wrote the laws on our hearts (WE STILL CELEBRATE IT). The feast of trumpets/Day of Atonement as celebrated in the OT is a prophecy that is to be fulfilled (Matthew 24:30-31, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, Revelation 11:15) and both are referenced in Acts27:9. This is a lasting ordinance that can't be fulfilled w/o the the Messiah as the temple is now destroyed (Lev16:29) and was meant for anyone associating with God's community (Lev16:29-31). The feast of tabernacles is celebrated by Jesus in John 7 and there is prophecy that one day the whole world will honor the feast of booths (tabernacles) Zech14:16. The reason why folks DON"T celebrate God's appointed times is due to the infiltration of paganism (mostly in the Roman Catholic church) and due to Emperor Constantine who made ordinances (see Constantine's anti-Judaic legislation) to separate the the Jews from Christians. Also, one of the lies (as the devil always does mixing truth with lies) is that this has anything to do with following Rabbinic laws or OT ceremonial laws (laws that have to to do with temple service). This is false as there is no standing temple. We practice these as a remembrance (just as for example the Lord's supper). Also none of this is mandatory (salvific) but there are IMMENSE BLESSINGS in learning about and celebrating biblical feasts/appointed times. They celebrate and honor God per His instructions, who could hate on that?
Your last paragraph contradicts the whole that you wrote above....... You sound off acting like we as Christians must obey these feasts to none of this is mandatory..... I love learning about these feasts for they are a part of GOD's WORD
@@helenagreenpine1496 God says those who are sanctifying themselves (setting themselves apart from the world) and purifying themselves (getting rid of sin) who also eat swines flesh, rats and the abomination will all meet their end together. The Lord will slay them at His second coming (according to Isaiah 66). When we disobey by eating any food that God has said not to eat (whether fruit from the tree of knowledge or swines flesh, rats and the abomination or food sacrificed to idols, etc.) it is a sin that causes us to be separated from God. Acts lists the most important things *(the essentials)* to avoid in order for us to do well but also goes on to say because Moses is read in every city on the sabbath. This indicates we will hear the rest of God's laws overtime every week on the sabbath and learn...but in the meantime these essentials need to be avoided for us to do well.
Following Torah is the truth it is Gods perfect design and plan for our lives!!! Ever wondered what his will is….. it’s in the Old Testament that is how to stay on Gods road for your life read your Bible and let the Lord lead you. We are only required to give our best not be perfect. The Torah was to show we need a savior now we have Torah to show obedience with our savior and he makes our way perfect through his perfect sacrifice!!!!! It’s so beautiful ! You can’t have the father (Old Testament) with out the son(New Testament) or the son with out the father both work together! Test everything with scripture
I’m a Christian…I know I’m a gentile (by blood) made into the body of Christ like many of us, but I choose to keep 0 men’s Holidays today and observe Saturday Sabbath…the 4th Commandment. I wish I knew more about God’s Holy Days.
Good for you! Sin is transgression of the law. Sin is lawlessness. 1 John 3:4 So if breaking God's law is sin, and we are to repent (turn) from sin, then we will walk in His commandments 👍
"119 Ministries" is an EXCELLENT teaching source for learning about the feasts and how they point to Jesus. So much we miss in the new testament because we don't understand the O.T.
@@valeriehinkle8995 119 Ministries is a Hebrew Roots apologist group. I have seen some of their videos but haven’t personally done a deep dive. RL Solberg has done a pretty good and comprehensive job addressing 119 Ministries arguments.
@@debblouin they use scriptures with EVERY point they make. It's up to the viewer to discern if they're using scripture correctly. They even encourage the viewer to "search the scriptures". After all the scriptures are the final authority. ALL scriptures "O.T." AND "N.T.".
Exactly: the law and the Spirit. The two witness of God. Just like Jesus is the Word and he had the Spirit so they are witness to have been in Gods presence. The two witnesses of the new testament. “The faithful and true witness”
How can one say they keep the 10 commandments while at the same time saying that the only commandment that says for us to remember you can say to forget.
Testimony time. In 2006, we were members of a Baptist Church AND a Catholic Church, and started 'really' studying the Bible. We first noticed the 7th Day Sabbath was given at creation, to all people, as a memorial of creation and our Father's great work. We were convicted that all believers all to keep this 7th Day to indicate Who we worship, and to honor our God. Yet, we said nothing, and prayed and continued to study. We left the Sunday keeping Church when the pastor had a sermon that 'God said we are to go to Church on Sunday.' That was the end. The preacher might bring up sin, but never got close to what God says sin is. We then went to a 7th Day Sabbath Church that did not keep the Feasts of God other than the Sabbath. That was all we understood at the time, and that seemed fine.....'until'..... We continued to study the Bible, and noticed that Deuteronomy 31:29-30 speaks of the LATTER DAYS.... and beginning in chapter 28 through to the end of Deuteronomy, we hear what the expectations are from God....and MOSES SANG ALL THE WORDS OF THIS SONG....and the 'song' was the law/Torah/instructions FROM GOD. We noticed that ALL 12 TRIBES and THOSE GRAFTED IN.....the STRANGERS FROM EGYPT THAT BELIEVED were at the foot of that mountain....and that God SAID that there was ONE LAW FOR THE NATIVE BORN and the STRANGER GRAFTED IN. The law was NOT GIVEN TO THE JEWS (only).....but, ALL ISRAEL. We then noticed that Cain knew there was a death penalty for murder. We noticed that God killed the first creature and that was used as an illustration of our Blessed Messiah's sacrifice and death on our behalf. We noticed that God brought 7 pairs of CLEAN ANIMALS to Noah....and only one pair OF UNCLEAN ANIMALS. We noticed that ABRAHAM KEPT commandments, statutes, and judgements. It became quite apparent from all this, that God gave Adam and Eve ORAL INSTRUCTIONS THAT WERE HANDED DOWN. Really, that is the only way that Sodom and sinners could be condemned. They KNEW what sin was. They CHOSE to do their own thing and deny their Creator. Even the story of the flood....the violence against the animals...against people. They KNEW WHAT THEY DID WAS WRONG....or it wouldn't have been a righteous judgement from our God. We noticed that GOD TOLD US FROM THE BEGINNING that the curse would be poured out in the LATTER DAYS....for disobedience to His law/Torah/instructions. We noticed that Revelation 15:3 gave the detail that THE SAINTS ARE SINGING THE SONG OF MOSES.....the law....and that they also SANG THE SONG OF THE LAMB....or the testimony of Jesus. When we shared all this with the 7th Day Church, they rejected God's Feasts, only keeping the Sabbath and a Passover service. So....., after a 'Judaizing' sermon was given and we were 'forced' to leave...., we continued to worship and study on our own. ALL THIS....WITHOUT ONE TH-cam VIDEO TEACHING US 'Hebrew Roots' religion. ALL THIS....WITHOUT ONE PERSON COMING TO US and contaminating us with that dangerous CULT mentality of 'Hebrew Roots.' We now know...especially as the tide of mainstream Church REJECTS GOD'S LAW....and loves to put each command or instruction in a particular box....so that it may be MARGINALIZED and rejected.....that the mainstream Church will continue to verbally persecute those COMING OUT of lukewarm Christianity, in favor of "EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS FROM THE MOUTH OF GOD".....until....the flood of words from a harlot Church.....actually are responsible for the persecution of the saints. Revelation 12. Notice in chapter 11 of Revelation, that they GIVE GIFTS AND MAKE MERRY after shutting up those terrible 'kill-joys' of what??? ....a holiday season??? Perhaps. Examine what I say here. Test it. I am bold, because my God has given me dreams. HE WILL FIGHT HIS CAUSE. He will bring all people to understand His purpose. It would behoove Christians and all believers to examine carefully what those people are teaching that are coming out of the mainstream Church. We are not in a cult. We have no leader except YHWH God Almighty and our Beloved Yahshua/Jesus! As for us personally, we never even heard of 'Hebrew Roots' until we were long on the path to obedience. And, after beginning to keep the 7th Day Sabbath, not buying or selling, not cooking or working....we have had our faith GROW IN LEAPS AND BOUNDS....We have begun to UNDERSTAND SCRIPTURE like never before. The ENTIRE BIBLE is PROPHECY. Our omniscient God gave us 'types,' 'symbolism,' 'playbooks' through the stories. Notice Samson....in the Book of Judges....He had '7 locks of hair.' Hair on a Nazarite represents the 'branches.' Yahshua came from Nazareth. Netzer means branch. Samson loses his strength....when? When his 'hair' or 'branches' are SHORN/CUT OFF. Samson was a 'dirty' Nazarite. Most don't even notice that he ate honey from a corpse. That was UNCLEAN. And, he gave of it to his family. Etc., etc., etc. Start noticing what our God has given us!!! Look at the Song of Deborah. It is prophecy. Look at Daniel 7:25....It's the BAD GUY THAT CHANGES GOD'S LAW....Or, seeks to. Because NOBODY can change any jot or tittle from my God's law...UNTIL HE SAYS SO. At Jesus/Yahshua's death, GOD HIMSELF CHANGED the priesthood system, when He split the veil from the top to the bottom. There will no more ever be an earthly Levitical priesthood that is sanctioned by YHWH God. The priesthood went BACK TO THE PEOPLE....of the marriage covenant. See the unfolding of Mt. Sinai and how THE PEOPLE AGREED TO OBEY AND KEEP THE COVENANT. This is the marriage covenant. It requires 2 parties. So much symbolism. So much that our God has given to us. And, what do we do? We seek to ELEVATE OURSELVES....and talk about another group of people.....as if we ourselves, and all of mainstream Christianity with it's MANY DENOMINATIONS....and Church SPLITS....because of interpretation or just plain ol' lukewarm pushing out the ON FIRE believers. And, of course....the word, "CULT" will do it. That'll scare everyone plain out of their senses. That'll keep the believers from even LOOKING at WHY these LATTER DAYS SAINTS are leaving the LUKEWARM CHURCH. That'll keep believers observing the 'Venerable Day of the Sun'....and there'll be NO GUILT in keeping a mock 'Saturnalia' each year....and just put another name/label on 'Ishtar/Easter' and call it 'Resurrection Day.' That'll fix it. Ever notice that God NEVER CHASTISES HIS PEOPLE FOR 'KEEPING' HIS LAW OR COMMANDMENTS???? But, He does say, Matthew 7:23, "And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS!’" For true seekers, look up what GOD SAYS is LIGHT, THE LAMP, SIN, and so many other pertinent understandings coming out of the New Testament. And, that reminds me, read Jeremiah 31 again. The whole purpose of the soft heart of flesh is so that we will OBEY HIM. And, Acts 5:32, we are told that the HOLY SPIRIT IS GIVEN TO THOSE WHO 'OBEY.' Oh, and Acts 15, notice that the reason only a couple of things were mentioned for new believers to do....was BECAUSE.....they would have MOSES PREACHED....i.e. they would 'learn the law' as they grew as believers....just like we do today in Church. We let people GROW in understanding and if they are sincere, the Holy Spirit will lead them as they learn what God expects. *Caps for emphasis only.
Love it! There may be a "trendy" side happening in Christianity with Hebrew roots but most don't know there are any have been many Christians who follow Whole Bible and don't eat certain foods worship on Sabbath and don't follow pagan traditions like mainstream does.... Thank you for your testimony. It's eerks me when I see mainstream Christianity continuously following deceitful pagan traditions. I came to Christ from Paganism witchcraft and I cannot in good faith and heart celebrate those pagan holidays onto Christ- it's the golden calf it's the whole reason for Hanukah cleaning out the Temple of pagan traditions how awesome is God? Nothing knew under the sun. We need a rededication of Christianity for sure... Revelation even says those who don't abide in his law but claims to know him will be thrown in the fiery pit ...
Salvation was payed for through Yeshua on the cross. Obedience to God’s instructions is for our rewards. “How fortunate are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the Tree of Life and may enter through the gates into the city.” The Revelation 22:14 TLV It also shows a faith that is good. “So also faith, if it does not have works, is dead by itself. But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith without works and I will show you faith by my works.” Jacob (James) 2:17-18 TLV
Acts peter great sheet Also christ rested on sabbath. He rose on Sunday. Sunday was the service day since near the beginning. Pual says don't pass judgment weather u observe the days or not. The o.t. is valuable but it is not christs covenent.😊
I don’t get it, should Christian’s follow the 613 Jewish commandments ? What about Christ s sacrifice ? Can we not celebrate Mother’s Day, or Christmas ?
I actually LOVE Torah! Not necessarily because I think that I have to keep commandments to be saved, but because I want to keep commandments because I love Jesus!! Without understanding the Feast days & Shmita cycles, you WILL NOT understand eschatology & particularly the Book of Revelation!! I understand scripture much better now that I practice Torah & Hebrew Roots!!♡
@annchovey2089 Col 2:16 doesn't mean the Messiah is an orphaned greco-roman Son as the church has taught...(all the church is the same, the difference is how, when and which false gods they worship). Col 2:15 say very clear that Jesus is "the image of the invisible God, the Fistborn of all creation"; two separate Persons. Christianity uses selected verses, very conveniently, to support their sistematic doctrines. The problem with systematic is that if one part of the system falls, the whole system falls too, and becomes unreliable. If Jesus is the Firstborn of the invisible God that means He was begotten by a higher not created being. Col 1: 3 "we give thanks to God, the FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always...." The notion of Jesus being God is unsustainable, since the two Persons appears separated in the whole so called by the church New Testament. The letter cited was address to the Colossian believers not to us, although it serves us to understand God's salvation plan through Jesus; opposed to the letter to the Corinthians where Paul had to start from scratch.
Exactly!! Evangelical pastors are terrified of HRM not bc it's dangerous(while some sects of it are also not Biblical but instead are built on the Talmud which is as much nonsense to followers of Christ as Catholic traditions are) but bc if Christians were doing what God called them to do and read for themselves, the whole Bible, they would see the truth too and then hold them to account. Just like just before the Protestant Reformation there was shaming and fear-mongering and threats to those who wanted to read the Word for themselves, now-a-days we have grown so lazy as a culture of Christians that we know nothing of scripture and it's meaning or relevance, and in an ironic twist we depend solely on what we hear even when we don't have to. I say this with repentance bc I was one of them. people would be shocked to know that DL Moody was a strong believer that Torah and Sabbath and the 10 commandments mattered. His original writings show it but shortly after his death the evangelical Pauline machine changed his work and rewrote the belief of his colleges. Even Martin Luther is on record for having issues with Paul as well as many early American pastors, theologians and Presidents(Thomas Jefferson and Adams esp). I didn't find or join the HRM and I care nothing for those labels, but I did start reading the OT like it matters to God bc it does and He has blessed me so much in understanding of how it all fits together like you said with the feasts and festivals and how Jesus is the complete fulfillment of those set up thousands of years earlier. It is so faith building. You can not say God spent so much time(thousands of years) setting up and teaching His people what it means to be obedient and then send His son to die bc it was that important but then the moment He dies and rises none of those laws of obedience are important to God anymore...that's literally insanity bc God doesn't change.His son didn't die for something that didn't matter. His son said it matters so much that nothing in the law will change until He returns. He was the sacrifice, not the "ignore everything that came before" messenger. We are no longer bound to the consequence of sin through Christ blood but we are still bound to obey God's law out of love and born out of our faith. What on Earth do people think sin is? Jesus said to love God is to obey his commands and His commands are clear. Sabbath is one of those commands and how do we find out what Sabbath means- from God not from poorly constructed arguments from a confusing Paul. Listen to the men who knew and walked with Christ. Paul didn't come on the scene for almost 10 years after Christ resurrected. For people who can't discern and read I understand this is overwhelming and so I encourage you to pray about that overwhelm and trust that God will help you. Finding a site like Jesus' Words Only is helpful for scriptural and historical context and something like the Bible recap to go along with your OT readings will really help too. Like you said, I understand the prophecies so much better now and why Jesus' words were enough. Some people are going to meet Jesus with a lot of Paul's words that got twisted by people unknowingly doing the work of the enemy. I'm not saying Paul is the bad guy here but I am saying that people have been using Paul's confusing style of communication(Peter's words not mine) to convolute and degrade the Word of God. Once you see it you can't unsee it. Some people will go to their graves defending modern interpretations of Paul's easy living message without ever even fact checking it against our actual Messiah. It's sad and it hits me to my core that I was there myself in ignorance.
You mentioned that you believe in the 10 commandments, that is great that you actually believe the Word of God. So do you keep the Sabbath the 4 commandment? Show me one verse where Jesus or the Father said the Law, the Word God has been done away with.
Many do many openly proclaim torah is the gospel and pur righteousness. They say one saved by grace by Christ but then must keep torah for righteousness and that its torah plus Jesus
My friend is into the Hebrew roots movement. She observes all the Jewish holidays and feasts. She explained it to me that she feels it’s important to do as Jesus and the disciples would have actually lived. She agrees that we don’t have to follow the Old Testament law but it’s in honor of Jesus.
So does she call it Hebrew roots? It seems from what you wrote she isn't actually Hebrew roots but her conscience is to celebrate the biblical feasts 🤔
I have a friend who does the same. Says practicing Hebrew law doesn't determine her salvation, but she practices because it brings her closer to God. My only problem with that is the confusion of the gospel to her young daughter. They love with her mother who does not follow Torah , and that's extremely confusing for the girl. She sees her Grama as wrong or sinful or even evil because she eats bacon or celebrates Easter and Christmas.
For the same reason Christians say that committing adultery or being gay is a sin (which Jesus and Paul say in the Gospel because they followed the Torah) is the same reason people who follow the Torah today (which means instructions not laws) believe following pagan holidays is wrong. He says in Deuteronomy: “You must not worship the Lord your God the way other nations worship their gods.” -Deuteronomy 12:31 If He is the same God today as yesterday and Jesus himself followed the Torah and the feasts , why is it okay for us to pick and choose what we want to follow? God loves us and knows that when we open up ourselves to paganism, it can have all sorts of spiritual consequences. Do you know that people are more likely to commit suicide on Christmas? Did you know that Easter is based or of sex goddess who was a bunny and had eggs? It also keeps us from understanding that part of Jesus fulfilling the scripture was through his birth on the feasts of tabernacles (coming up soon and is so much fun!) The same thing with bacon. He says not to eat bacon to the Israelites because God created all living things and pigs will eat anything and they don’t have the additional stomachs like other animals to digest which make pork very bad for us! I agree it’s not right to judge and many of these people (which include me) follow the Torah because I trust God knows best and simply want others to know the truth which is His truth.
do you follow the law that has you doing 3 pilgrimages a year to the Holy Land? Which laws do you follow and which ones do you not follow, how many goats and bulls? Why not the sacrifices it was part of the law? Where is the guidance on which laws you DO and which ones you all ignore? man made....now if you are here to say its the 10 commandments and the TWO JESUS emphasized then we are on the same page.
To the jews. He came to the lost sheep of the house of Isreal. The jews rejected him 3 times then God the farther calls paul to preach the gospel to the gentiles. The reason why people want to literally follow Jesus is because they do not know how to rightly dividing the word
That was in his earthly ministry. And he hasn't been crucified yet so yes he will say that. And plus he was talking to his jewish people. Because he was Jewish.
Read the whole book and from the perspective it was written. It’s a continuous story. You can’t build an entire theology on one verse or take things out of context and put a modern western “church” spin on everything. The whole “me, me, me gospel is appalling.
@@cgfreshmaker yes! It’s a powerful start, just needs follow up. We need to not push “hippie” Jesus and teach that if you say “the prayer”, that that’s it. Teach grace, yes, but also teach forgiveness and repentance. Jesus does love you as you are but His teaching is not to stay as you are. These things have eternal consequences. Your Bible hermeneutical- taking what it says in context is crucial. Teachings that take away or add to it detrimental.
Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat, so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice.” Matthew 23:1-3 If the Law was nailed to the cross then why would Jesus tell His followers to do and observe everything the scribes and Pharisees were preaching from the seat of Moses? Do you know what was being read from the seat of Moses? The Torah. Jesus Himself wanted us to continue doing and observing everything that was being read from the Torah. If not, then He would have told His followers to completely disregard everything the scribes and Pharisees were preaching. Instead, He said to do and observe what they were preaching but disregard their actions because they weren’t practicing what they were preaching. They were preaching Torah yet adding extra things onto it (which is where the Talmud comes from). The Bible says we are to walk as Jesus walked. How did he walk? He kept all of God’s commandments. He kept the Torah. “Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’” Matthew 7:21-23 “And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.” 1 John 2:3-6
We have a corrupt NT it was written originally in Hebrew not Greek the Greek's changed much for instance They replaced Him with they Yeshua was saying obey Moses. In the true Gospels Yeshua was never called jesus or Christ but the name His Father said Yeshua. His disciples were never called Christian but messianic
@@195409ify It was not written in Hebrew originally. There is no proof of that. We do have it written in Aramaic (Peshitta) and other languages, but the original was written in Ancient Greek, as most of the ancient world was fluent in multiple languages and there were many Gentiles who lived in Judea. There is evidence the ancient Jews knew Ancient Greek. Hebrew was even less commonly spoken during that time.. Aramaic and Greek became the common language for the Jews a few centuries before the first century A.D. This you can research and find from many biblical scholars; also research the Hellenist movement that occurred in the 3rd century BC, when the Greek Septuagint began to be written. I’ve looked into this intensely. There is no reason to distrust the New Testament, especially with the amount of manuscripts we have on it and different witnesses written in different languages yet all of it has the same content.
@@shayalynn at the Royal Library of Britain they have an original copy of the Book of Revelation in Hebrew. The Vatican also has thousands of copies of the gospel in Hebrew. Check Nehemiah Gordon work, he’s a scholar… pls the Romans have records of using the Hebrew Matthew to compare back in the day. It’s 2024 the Lord is reveling what’s hidden
Great episode, Allie. Might I suggest a follow- up episode about Messianic Judaism? My fear is that people may confuse the two. I have witnessed and experienced the negative affects of the Hebrew Roots Movement for many years. However, it's important to recognize that there is a thriving community of Jewish Believers in the States. I live in Israel and a close friend of mine was recently interviewed by Krista Bontrager (Theology Mom). I'm sure she'd love to talk with you as well if you were interested. Many blessings and shalom from Jerusalem.
What I have seen in my research is that most Messianic assemblies are made up of non-jewish believers wanting to be more Jewish. That's kind of the same problem with the Hebrew Roots movement when we emphasized the importance of being Jewish and supporting levitical festivals and Mosaic laws over faith in Jesus Christ. According to scripture all churches are Messianic churches. There should be no divisions. It matters not what you were before being born again only that we are all one in Christ now.
True hebrew roots has hijacked many messianic congregations that are all gentiles that say they must keep mosaic law that it is binding on all believers.
@@peggyschorn4162 And to those who do real historical research one will find no pagan origins. Pseudo myths not based on actual historical evidence and debunked by scholars is not truth
Jesus himself said: “Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.” -Matthew 5:17-23 Heaven and earth have not passed and we are still waiting for Jesus’ second coming so therefore the law and prophets have not gone away. The feasts are a major part of understanding why Jesus is the Messiah. They were prophetic foreshadows of what has and is to come. I’ll post another comment in more detail. I understand the confusion with Galatians but either Paul was wrong about the law (which by the way the Torah means instructions, not law, these are Gods ways on how to best live) because nothing he says should conflict with what Jesus said OR we have a wrong misunderstanding, which is the more likely reason. You have to understand that during this time there was (and still was) very legalistic Jews and rabitical laws that they added on top of the Torah which is also wrong. In Deuteronomy it says: “Do not add nor subtract to what I have commanded you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.” -Deuteronomy 4:12 Paul was talking about not returning to these legalistic and radical laws, not advising the Jewish believers to disregard the Torah. God gave us these instructions because he loves us and he knows that by keeping them we are spiritually protected and have the opportunity to receive Gods best and stay on.
Jesus is The Fulfillment. He Fulfilled All Types and Shadows. The law pointed towards Jesus. Galatians 3:24 So the Law became our guardian to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. Ephesians 2:15 by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments and decrees. He did this to create in Himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace Romans 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. in Christ and not by works of the Law, because by works of the Law no one will be justified. Galatians 2:16 know that a man is not justified by works of the Law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the Law, because by works of the Law no one will be justified. Galatians 3:25 Now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian. Matthew 12:8 For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.” Hebrews 10:1 The Law is only a shadow of the good things to come, not the realities themselves. It can never, by the same sacrifices offered year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship . Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. AMEN! Thank You Lord Jesus Christ" Hashem! Followers of Lord Jesus Christ, follow the spirit of the law. Romans 7:6 But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter. Colossians 2:14 having canceled the debt ascribed to us in the decrees that stood against us. He took it away, nailing it to the cross!
I appreciate the scriptural reference, it’s always important! But I believe there is one major passage by Jesus himself: 17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven. -Matthew 5:17-20 I believe the point you are trying to make is that our righteousness is no longer dependent on us keeping perfectly the instructions given in the Torah (by the way the original translation of Matthew 5:-17 is not law but Torah which means instructions), because Jesus is the Messiah and paid the price for our sins and through him we have forgiveness (if we ask for it) Which is correct,but Jesus never said we could do away with the Torah and the prophets and said NONE of it will go away until heaven and earth disappear and until ALL is accomplished. Heaven and earth are still here and Jesus has not come back for the second time yet! He even warns about teaching against this saying those will be the least in the Kingdom. Again, not saying you may not enter the Kingdom but it is Gods desire for us to follow His commands because he made us and knows what is best for us. We follow them because we love and trust him. Jesus continues in Matthew 5 to not only reaffirm the instructions in the Torah, regarding murder, adultery, divorce etc but says they are even stricter. (Look at Ten Commandments and instructions from Moses in Leviticus and Deuteronomy) Every passage you referenced are in the letters which begs the question then, is Paul wrong (nothing Paul says should contradict Jesus) or are we misunderstanding this? Most likely, is our misunderstanding which also can be because of mistranslations. What Paul most likely was arguing against is the legalism of Pharisees or Sadducees (King James replaced many of these words with the general word Jews which causes a huge misunderstanding) who continued to keep the newest believers thinking their righteousness and eternity was based on them keeping the law rather than understanding that Jesus not only paid for our sins but by resurrecting gave us the Holy Spirit that is our advocate: But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you. John 16:7 Paul and revelations also warns us about: 9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. 12" 1 Corinthians 6: 9-20 Where did Paul get this from? The Torah! The very reason Christian’s are against these things today is because of what Paul and Jesus said which again only reinforces why the Torah and prophets are still relevant and most people don’t realize that they reference these instructions because Jesus knew the word of God perfectly and Paul had previously been an expert in the word.
The second thing I’ll say is there is this cultural Christian attitude that keeping the Torah is a negative thing when really it’s something that the enemy created confusion in. God is not a condemning God but he does convict us and want us to keep his commandments because he loves us and wants to protect us and experience him fully. By Keeping the Torah and understanding the prophetic shadow pictures of the feasts it has answered so many of my questions and has only deepened my love, admiration, trust, and understanding of God like never before. I am in total awe of him ❤
Allie Beth needs to invite someone onto the show who disagrees with her theology/soteriology. I would LOVE to see her give Dr. Leighton Flowers the opportunity to make his case against Calvinism.
@Allie Beth Stuckey if you're interested in having a torah teacher and practitioner on for an interview, I can articulate my faith and the difference between Jewish traditions and the law of God. Bless you.
Just so you know, Allie, KingdomInContext (Sean Griffin) teaches heretical beliefs, such as Christ not being YHWH, saying that atonement comes from him sacrificing animals in heaven, and that “Enoch,” Jubilees, and many other extra books are Scripture. There are some sound people you could have on who disagree on this subject, but Sean is not one of them.
Please know that KIC is a terrible representative (heresy/conspiracy theory/SNO?) for some of the people who keep Gods laws. He does represent a certain sect of HRM people though but please don’t lump everyone in his camp. That would be a huge mistake.
In John 15:9-10 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.” Following the feast days, trying to follow the law/commandments of God, sabbath, and choosing to eat clean are not done because I believe it will save me (Jesus Christ/Yeshua is the only way). I try to follow God in this way to show love to Him, because it is a relationship. I am a Christian who believes it is important to follow the example of Christ. I am not ashamed of the name of Jesus (because to invalidate his name would also mean that the name I called to to save me is invalid and call into question my salvation). I use both Yeshua and Jesus. I believe that to use the fringe of a movement to paint all Torah observant or Hebrew roots believers is wrong.
Its not fringe. I spent 18 yrs in the movement and still know many people in it. Tons of mainstream teachers in movement teaching another gospel that the torah is righteousness and sanctifies that torah still binding. That the new covenant is not new just mosaic law renewed. Much of the movement rejects the deity of Christ and the trinity and embraces kabbalah Jewish mysticism.
@@freedominchrist444but again that’s bad actors in a very important call of God to return to his word. You can’t completely throw out what God is trying to do when that’s just Satan trying to destroy the kingdom and wanting to create confusion from people from knowing the truth.
I agree, as well. I'm disappointed that to date, Allie Beth has chosen to interview outsiders/critics/skeptics to understand and explain Hebrew Roots. Why not interview 119 ministries or someone else who had a large and well -known platform promoting the keeping of the biblical festivals and the Sabbath?
Agreed. I choose to obey God's commands out of love and respect. I'm not saved by my obedience. I'm so grateful for the gift He has given us by of Jesus, our Messiah. I made this choice simply by reading the Bible. I had never heard of anyone obeying Torah before I picked up the Bible and asked God to guide me to truth. We don't meet with a TO fellowship on Sabbath. We worship God as a family, and we rest at home. We observe His feasts with others, because He has asked us to and because we love Him. We refuse unclean meats because He knows His creation better than we do. When I stopped listening to others teachings on the Bible and really started listening to God while actually reading it for myself... it opened up. I've realized that these instructions lead to health and happiness. Most importantly, they teach us how to love God and others.
In reference to 'Saturday' and 'Sunday,' have y'all studied historical calendars? Sad that they would select the most extreme in the movement and then dismiss all of it.
That's what they call a "straw man"---they build a "straw man" and knock it down. Its also called "throwing the baby out with the bathwater"---just like they do with Pentecostalism. Some of its bad--therefore, all of its bad, and all of it needs to be avoided.
The book of acts said they meet on the first day of the week - Sunday. If you want to rest on Saturday that’s your personal conviction, but it shouldn’t be pushed on others, let alone to discourage them from doing what the disciples did. I am grateful I came out of Hebrew roots.
@@kelleybrown9776 that passage is not saying they changed the sabbath. Think about this: the same God who said the seventh day is holy also said not to change his word. So where did people get the authority to decide what is holy and what isn’t? Meeting on Sunday doesn’t make Sunday the new sabbath (as I’ve heard it said). There is no instruction against meeting on an additional day. The sabbath is still the sabbath. Why do we assume that this law of God changed? Or any others, for that matter? Also, what do you make of Jesus saying that nothing of his father’s law going away until heaven and earth pass away? 🤷🏽♀️
on saturday night when the sun goes down, the first day of the week begins. So after keeping Shabbat the previous evening and all day, it makes sense that they would gather after sundown on a Saturday night. PLUS, just because they met on the first day of the week doesn't change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. NOWHERE in scripture does it say the Sabbath was changed because of when people were meeting. @@kelleybrown9776
FYI...headcovering isnt a Hebrew roots issue. Or a Torah issue. It is a NT teaching from Paul, included in a chaprer which shows multiple traditions that express the gospel among believers and to the world.
Lots of research....He wants obedience not sacrifice... the feasts are so much fun, food and worship...many are messianic jews that worship in spirit and truth not legalism....many also attend church on Sunday as well as Torah service on Saturday ...Torah is the whole Bible...Jesus ,Yeshua ,Everlasting Father...the living God...blessings..
I have learned so much about God's plans by learning about and observing His feasts. I'm curious how others who know their Bible can call them Jewish feasts when God clearly identified them as His before the house of Judah was set apart from the other houses and became the Jews. If they're God's feasts... shouldn't all of God's people keep them? They haven't all been fulfilled. We're now looking forward to the Day of Trumpets... and I don't mean the feast day, I mean the day that Jesus comes at the sound of trumpet.
Hi Allie, thank you for the discussion! I was raised in the Church of Christ (my husband was raised Catholic) and now our family is whole Bible believers or what you would call Torah Observant/Hebrew Roots. This was as a result of reading scripture for ourselves and allowing the scriptures to interpret themselves. At the time (9 years ago) no one believed like we did so we weren’t following a preacher or anything like that. We just read and responded. In short, we do not believe that our works/Torah can save us. Yeshua (this is how we have come to know Him as, but would NEVER condemn others for calling Him Jesus) is the only way to salvation. As a response to being brought back into covenant with God, we CHOOSE to adhere to the marriage vows (ketubah) by keeping (guarding) His (those He takes ownership of) commands and Feasts. We are in a marriage covenant with Yahweh and through His commands, statutes, and Feasts we come to understand the Father’s character, and intent towards His children. I can say that I am deeply in love with Him and who He is. It hurts me that it took sending His son to die for us to fully understand who He’s always been, but He knew from the beginning of time that Messiah would be needed for us to fully know. Being on this walk, I can say that I’m so grateful to see the connection between new and old whereas before I did not have the eyes to see. Also, I can very much echo the concerns that you all shared. There is no centralization for what we all believe and it hurts me when brothers and sisters condemn because they don’t believe as we do. Division is something that concerns my family and I and we do our best to stay away from as it’s pretty bad in this walk. Thanks again! May Abba bless you and keep you!
Nowhere in the Bible does it say that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday. That change came from the Catholic church who openly admits it. Simple research on the topic of Sunday being declared the Sabbath by the Catholic church/the Pope will show you that. I would love to hear how you believe in keeping the 10 Commandments but not the 4th. And how Jesus resurrecting on a Sunday means it is the Sabbath.
The Sabbath has always been Saturday. We go to church on Sunday because that is the day of Resurrection. Christ fulfilled the Sabbath with the cross we now rest in Him and His works, not ours.
So pagan "sanctified" holidays are better than God's feasts...? God is no liar. Man is. Throwing aside all of man's teachings in favor of following the Bible does not mean you are in a cult.
That comes with the assumption that Christian holidays are sanctified pagan ones. They’re not. They’re to celebrate Christ’s birth. And resurrection. And others.
Agreed. Unfortunately there are misunderstandings of those who observe the appointed times of Yahweh and do what the Father has instructed us to do to honor Him. I don't see anything wrong with keeping the Sabbath and Feasts. We are called to do great works to the glory of Yahweh because when we abide in Him, the Holy Spirit is working in us to sanctify us from our fleshly ways. We follow Yahweh's instructions to honor Him because we ate saved.
@@GratiaPrima_You're so misled. I'm sorry. Christmas was stolen from the God of the Sun by the corrupt Catholic Church. They are probably one of the largest contributes to deception and turning people away from Christ. Easter is based on Ishtar. Many cultures that celebrated it would purposely procreate as much as possible to have infants to sacrifice. You clearly haven't done your research but blindly trust random people at church or whatever than to trust in the Lord and the word of God. Jesus calls us to continue following Ten Commandments....as much as we can. There is nothing against the holy days. But against old customs such as the way they dresses and social customs that applied value for the times in context... How many versions of the Bible do you study? How many translations? One that was written 200 years ago? That's not very long ago...and there are quite a few mistranslations between many versions, even the KJV. There is importance to many of these where context is required to properly define the message. It's another mystery why this would happen. But what makes sense to you? To disregard this as a saint, or to look into this and start paying attention and growing your faith? You must keep the sword of the spirit polished and sharp. God gives us tools and it's up to us to disregard them or to waste them. One example is the commandment not to kill; it's "murder" specifically...which in context to Hebrew was a term of unjust killing VS killing to eat an animal, or to sacrifice one (which the Gospel says is no longer required, due to the sacrifice of Jesus..) , could kill out of self defense, of course God ordered the Hebrews to kill those that had betrayed His repeatedly and needed to be removed from the Earth at that time. Another difference- I don't believe God would ask anyone to do that today. But we are still allowed to eat meat, allowed to defend ourselves and our families. The laws of justice they used to have to trace down and kill a murderer rapist etc are also no longer necessarily. But keep in mind we are told in the Gospel to forgive without being foolish. We should forgive endlessly if possible, but not to keep poor company. If people refuse to heed warnings and to change harmful ways we are actually told to have wisdom and discernment and to stay away from such people if they repeatedly refuse reason. Jesus has two cheeks on his face. That's what the "turn the other cheek" was likely alluding to. We are called to judge one another as Christians as well as others, but to be more gentle of people that do not claim to know the Lord for they are without the tools we gain as Christians. We are simply told not to be hypocritical when we do judge. We will all be judged before God. Forgiveness does not equate to a lack of consequence. I pray that you seek the truth. ❤
@@GratiaPrima_ The origins are pagan. It's blasphemy to get an evil practice, wrap it up in Jesus themed wrapping paper, and say VIOLA it's now sanctified. I can now offer this filth up to God. Another reason for feasts is that God commanded us to observe them. He did not command us to observe easter and Christmas.
As someone who was absolutely captivated and caught up in the Hebrew Roots movement for almost a decade, I applaud y’all for taking this topic head on and exposing the generalities of the movement as a whole. There’s nothing wrong with having a reverence for these Hebrew rooted festivals and customs but there was a very heavy emphasis by a large group of people that those who did not follow the movement would be punished for it. Looking back there was such a bondage created by the strict observance to Mosaic and even Talmud laws and it traces back to a misunderstanding of the New Testament and our freedom in Christ’s fulfillment of the law. Had I been more versed on the New Testament at the time, i would’ve been more cautious in my following of the Hebrew roots movement.
Following Torah is the truth it is Gods perfect design and plan for our lives!!! Ever wondered what his will is….. it’s in the Old Testament that is how to stay on Gods road for your life read your Bible and let the Lord lead you. We are only required to give our best not be perfect. The Torah was to show we need a savior now we have Torah to show obedience with our savior and he makes our way perfect through his perfect sacrifice!!!!! It’s so beautiful ! You can’t have the father (Old Testament) with out the son(New Testament) or the son with out the father both work together!
Yeshua is Jesus and I'm curious to know how it contradicts the Gospel. Jesus' name is similar to Joshua, it's actually not an issue of Roman. I have done a ton of research into learning more about the "Christian" holiday like Christmas...that was chosen by the CATHOLIC church that took the day of the Sun God to celebrate the son of God when in reality there's a ton of evidence for Jesus' birthday being during the festival of Sukkot. There is also a lot more symbolism following that. The Bible has much power not only in the literal translations but also the obvious symbolic patterns. I'd be very wary of false teachers and that's what this smells of. I look forward to changing my comment if this episode gives what appears to be trustworthy... Right away I'd like to point out Judaism is not Christianity. Many of the laws of the Torah are what are to be upheld as Christians as Jesus said as much. But also there are of course things like having certain clothing and social customs that don't uphold considering the Gospel. Celebrating the holy days is VERY Christian as well. The Holy Days are different than holidays such as Hannakah that is fun to celebrate as it has Biblical roots- but is not a holy day. I do not feel I am required to celebrate holy days (nor uphold holy days of reverence) but I do so with joy as a Christian. Just as Messianic Jews do so. There's a difference. If you are Christian and still celebrate "Easter" (Ishtar), Christmas, HALLOWEEN.... it's time to get introspective and decide if you truly wish to study and folkoe the Gospel in truth or if you are just trying to play a superficial role. I do think there are ways to celebrate some of these holidays in ways that are low key and for nostalgia, and to honor the beauty created by Hod in the seasons, his messages of giving, etc. But they are NOT holy days and are not to be venerated Luke warm followers are in dire need of decisiveness. And to celebrate these consumerist and Catholic holidays but reject holidays in the Bible- pretty hypocritical. Plank in the eye for sure. ❤ God bless, may you seek the truth (Jesus). The way is straight and narrow friends.
Well stated. In my opinion it is unwise to embrace what culture has created over time through tradition rather than what Yahweh has gifted us with from the start. He set apart His holy days because we are to be a set apart people.
Easter has nothing to do with Ishtar. Christmas has nothing to do with Sol Invictus, which in all likelihood copied Christmas and the celebration of the birth.
Absolutely. You are spot on. Do we need to follow Jewish customs from the Old Testament? No. But if Jesus came back to earth in the flesh right now, He certainly would be. Nothing wrong with following those customs if it makes you feel closer to Him.
You guys need to actually interview a person who keeps Torah and follows Yeshua as men and women who understand that they have been grafted into the commonwealth of Israel. It's never been about earning salvation through keeping Torah, not even in ancient Israel. Salvation was given to them (Exodus from slavery in Egypt through the blood of the lamb on the doorposts and crossing the red sea) and then they were given the Torah to live by. Christianity today is so far removed from what it originally was that you can't even recognize it. Torah observance is growing because the Spirit of Holiness is calling the children of God back to His ways and they are obeying His voice. We might not have it all figured out and we certainly don't agree on everything, but we do agree on the fact that we're saved by grace through the completed work by Yeshua on the cross and we obey Him (work out our own salvation with fear and trembling) by keeping His commandments as written in the Scripture, which Paul himself said is profitable for correction, reproof and instruction in righteousness. Don't try to take that away, because you're working with the enemy of the saints by doing so. Don't try to teach against the very Word of God, or else you will find yourself an enemy of Him, which you do not want. Yeshua himself said that those who say to Him, "Lord, Lord, did we not do great works in Your name?", He will say to them, depart from me, I never knew you, you who practice lawlessness. Sin is transgression of the law according to 1 John 3:4.
Returning to the Hebraic roots is a big danger, because most people aren't well versed and will without knowing deny early hebraic Christian roots in order to embrace pre-Christ traditions or even rabbinic traditions. I agree, modern american Christianity doesn't look biblical. However in 2 000 years traditions evolve... If you wanna get closer to the traditions and culture of that time, then it is a better idea to look into Chaldeans, Melkites, Antiochean Orthodox, and even Copts, rather than adopting the old laws or rabbinic nonsense.
There's way too many strawman arguments being made. If you want to reach those like us, you should hold the accurate position, and refute that. The statement about those who "believe one law applies to Jew & Gentile" is a great example - that's what the Bible says: (Passover, Tabernacles) Exodus 12:49 - "One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the *stranger that sojourneth* among you." Exodus 12:19 - "For whoever eats what is leavened, that person-*whether a stranger or a citizen of the country*-shall be cut off from the community of Israel." 1 Corinthians 5:8 - "Let us *therefore celebrate the festival* (Passover), not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth." (Sabbath) Exodus 20:10 - "Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, *nor any foreigner residing in your towns."* Mark 2:27 - "Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for MAN (not just Jews), not man for the Sabbath." Exodus 31:17 - "It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed." Genesis 2:3 - "God blessed the 7th day and made it holy." (Sacrifices) Leviticus 17:8-9 "And you shall say to them, 'Any one of the house of Israel, or *of the strangers who sojourn among them,* who offers a burnt offering or sacrifice and does not bring it to the entrance of the tent of meeting to offer it to the LORD, that man shall be cut off from his people.'" Leviticus 22:18 - "Speak to Aaron and his sons and all the people of Israel and say to them, When any one of the house of Israel or *of the sojourners in Israel* presents a burnt offering as his offering, for any of their vows or freewill offerings that they offer to the LORD." (All Laws In General) Numbers 15:15-16 - "For the assembly, there shall be one statute for you *and for the stranger who sojourns with you,* a statute forever throughout your generations. You *and the sojourner shall be alike before the LORD.* One law and one rule shall be for you *and for the stranger* who sojourns with you." Leviticus 24:22 - "You shall have the same rule *for the sojourner* and for the native, for I am the LORD your God." Ezekiel 47:22 - "You shall allot it as an inheritance for yourselves *and for the sojourners who reside among you* and have had children among you. They shall be to you as native-born children of Israel. With you, *they shall be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel.*" Much more could be said, like about the wildness of constantly putting emphasis upon how Torah observers don't see each thing the same (that's the same for all 40,000+ Christian denominations), like sacred namers who all of us disagree with, falsehoods about what it means that there's no temple or what being unclean even meant (when in fact there is lol - human body - heavenly temple) or just completely misunderstanding the positions for why Holy Days are even a thing for Christians. None of this has to do with salvation, and if there's any law that we should keep that isn't about salvation, it follows even holy days, dietary laws, etc could be included. I'd like to offer myself up for public or private interview and questions to you and your team for the position that God's law is still applicable for today. Only bringing up people who disagree, while certainly has a place, can too often just be a smear campaign that won't reach anyone; but those who already agree. If you did this for a great echo chamber, you succeeded, if you did this to actually help those who believe it - out of respect I kindly say you failed bad!
They're not JEWISH holy days. They're GOD'S holy days, which are steps in His plan of Salvation: "Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘The feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts." Lev 23:2 Passover, Christ crucified Unleavened bread - Christ buried First Fruits - Christ risen Pentacost - Holy Spirit given Feast of Trumpets - Jesus's 2nd Coming Day of Atonement - Day of Judgement Feast of Tabernacles - Marriage supper of the Lamb, Christ reigns over Earth 8th Day - Eternity with God
@@Smile50123Nope. They're not Jewish holy days. They're God's. I'm just reading His words as written. And He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
@@Smile50123 Wrong!! They are not Jewish holy days - they are Yah's feast which he commanded all his people to observe. if you spent any time reading the OT you would not make such an ignorant statement.
@@Smile50123 Sorry you feel it was bold. I do tend to be so, especially where the Word is concerned. To say that one is ignorant is not to say they are without intelligence, just unlearned in that subject. I've been ignorant of subjects before too. My apologies if you took offense, but properly dividing the Word is an important matter and one we are all called to do.
@@debblouin I personally believe all denominations to be heresy and in some form of error, if only because “iron sharpens iron”. Cancel Culture is nothing new, the church has been doing it for hundreds, if not thousands, of years, hence we now have hundreds of denominations and the majority have some form of cult likeness or controlling/persuasive influence and so so much idolatry 🤮 and too many of our swords are dull. I will also say, as I learned this lesson, if you are trying to “remind” someone of the truth and they have not read the Bible for themselves, you’re not actually reminding them because they don’t know it to be reminded of it. You’re actually teaching them which the Bible says that God will judge more harshly. In other words, be careful, make sure you are teaching correctly, not according to any doctrine but according to our God, or just tell people to read the Bible for themselves and develop a relationship with their God, He teaches better than any of us anyway.
Usually love your videos, but this one is not an accurate depiction of Hebrew Roots so of course your definition sounds deceptive of believers, if it were true. Sure if it equates anything "needing to do" to earn salvation then yes that would be a worked based cult, but many fellowships uphold that salvation is through faith alone in Christ, and do not preach "you must." Also it's not about "rejecting" western holidays and names, it's about celebrating something better.
It’s really hard to take religious advice from a Christian who celebrates man made holidays instead of the Holy days and Feast days Jesus Himself kept.
Said like a true Pharisee. What's most frustrating to me is people like you don't understand the importance of context: literary context, historical context, and cultural context. Somehow you believe that keeping the holy days from the old testament are needed because Jesus did it without realizing there is a reason why Jesus did it and later we are told by the Apostles that we no longer have to keep them, especially gentiles. You completely missed the context!
@@gattibeba8841 you do realize Jesus himself, in the New Testament kept the feast and Holy days….? There the Feasts of the Lord, meant to be kept for all your generations. Read your Bible.
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Hi Allie Beth Stuckey. I would love to see you have a conversation with Tim Hegg, Caleb Hegg, and Rob Vanhoff. Not in regards to some fringe group as the Hebrew Roots, but in respect to Christians keeping God's law. 👍 Have someone with scholarship talk about the pros of keeping His law.
Therein lies the central issue with keeping the Law. It isn’t possible. It has never been possible for anyone but Christ. But, it literally isn’t possible because there is no temple in which the sacrifices can be performed.
@debblouin You obey what is applicable to you. It is possible because it is no longer I who lives but Christ who lives in me. 👍 If the change of Ezekiel 36:26-27 has happened inside of you, then God is the one causing you to obey His rules 👍
@@debblouinJesus could not obey all of the commandments because some did not apply. He could not fulfill the laws about Levitical priests because He is not one. Neither are you, presumably, so don’t worry about them. It is true that He lived a sinless (and thereby indestructible) life so that He could be a priest after the order of Melchizedek. But He taught against Talmud/Mishneh (the oral tradition of the rabbis) who broke Torah by adding to it. Jesus’ yoke is easy and His burden is light. Seek counsel by the Holy Spirit and His word and you will find His commands are not a burden but rather bring light and life.
@@RandomBoxingGuythe thing is they won’t even allow them to express their views bz they don’t like to give them the freedom to debate their viewpoints
Seventh-day Adventist keep the Sabbath because according to their prophet Ellen G white the Sabbath is the seal of God and Sunday worship will be the mark of the beast. They believe that God will judge us by the the ten commandments, especially the fourth commandment, and they see as the old covenant as eternal, which is in complete contradiction with New testament teaching. They believe that Jesus is in heaven now judging people in the church according to the ten commandments, especially the fourth commandment. Ellen G white also taught that eating meat makes you like an animal and hinders your prayers. Oh, she also said this all came directly from God. They consider Ellen G white to be the spirit of prophecy that has spoken of in the book of Revelation (which gives her her supposed authority) when it is very clear in the book of Revelation that the spirit of prophecy was something that John and his brothers had in their day, and it was not something to come. She saw any Christian who does not adhere to adventism as being ultimately part of Babylon. She also stated that ultimately the sins of all humanity will be placed on Satan before he is cast into hell. Therefore making Satan our ultimate sin bear. She also taught that atonement was not completed at the cross, and that Jesus continued his atonement work in heaven. She also taught that basically God had to vindicate his ten commandments to the universe how to prove to Satan that he was a good God. Ellen G white with a sick and twisted woman who abused the word of God for her own purposes, and led many people astray. She was a tool of Satan, and her followers to this day use a term "present truth" to try to get around the fact that her teaching is directly contradicts New testament scriptures. If they have a Seventh-Day Adventist on, they should treat them as a cult member, and not as a Christian
Sabbath was changed from Saturday to Sunday since Constantine. The catholic church in their writings emphasized this change. What does the Bible say? Sabbath is Saturday. So as a Christian I'll continue worshipping the day God instituted not the day man changed.
I don’t know the man and have never seen him before, but I would wonder if that has to do with his past…unless he could answer a question that would give clarity and he say that it was recent. Otherwise, I got nothin.
The vast majority of Christians have never read the Old Testament in its entirety and it's a shame, especially the five books of Moses, the Torah, which is the Hebrew word that is translated as "law" in the New Testament and the Old testament but it actually best translates as, "instruction", God's instructions for us in keeping His Commandments, which according to Jesus He said, if you love Me, you'll keep My Commandments, especially since He's the One who gave those Holy Commandments in the first place originally to Moses on Mount Sinai with His very Finger and these Feast Day's instructions are explicitly laid out as God's Feasts, not the children of Israel's feasts, not Jewish feasts, but the Feasts of the Most High God, His Feasts and He also States very clearly that they are for an Everlasting Covenant, Exodus 12:14,17 and Exodus 31:16, which means Forever, an Eternal Covenant between Him and His people that choose to follow Him, who Truly desire Fellowship and Relationship with Him as well as all the Nations of the earth who were and still are invited to participate in the Feasts and celebrate to this very day, people whom He calls to be Holy, as He said, because He is Holy, Leviticus 21:8, Exodus 19:6, 1 Peter 1:15-16, which means, set apart and to be different, as these feast days are also called Holy and set apart and very different from other days throughout the year, specifically to rehearse or remind us about the Messiah who Jesus was and is and is yet to be rhe fulfillment of the Feast of Trumpets at His Second Coming. So this is all both rehearsal and remembrance as we commemorate the Feasts and the Holy Convocations throughout the year and contemplate our commitment and promise to follow the Lord's call and mandate to feed the hungry, clothe the naked and visit the orphans and widows in their affliction, as well as those in jail, to not just be hearers of the Word, but also doers of the Word because as the Book of James says, basically in all 5 suggested chapters, that faith without works is dead. We are definitely saved by Grace, not by works, lest anyone should boast, so that we can do good works for God and His Glory, who through the Gift of His Holy Spirit, He has made us able to do good works, for by our fruits shall we be known to be true followers or not of Jesus Christ, even Yeshua Hamashiach, our Savior, Redeemer and Great Healer from all of our sin and selfishness. He is the same yesterday, today and forever and if there truly is nothing new under the sun, as these people quoted tthat scripture in this video, then there is no New Covenant, it is just a fulfillment of the Old Covenant that Almighty God gave to Moses and consequently to us and not one jot nor tittle has has been done away with but rather has all been fulfilled in Christ Jesus except for the True Feast of Trumpets and when that is finally completed at His Second Coming very soon at the Last Shofar (Trumpet), then we will commemorate that day throughout the Millennium and through all Eternity as He once again will Tabernacle and Reign with us as Emmanuel, God with us, forever and ever, amen
I really pray you all get a much clearer view of what these people believe or have someone on with these beliefs to bring clarity because the half-baked understanding that you two put forth is very misleading.
Look up the God Culture.........out of the Philipines. I have some loved ones getting involved with their teachings. They believe the real Eden was from there etc..... plus, you have to pronounce the real way of saying Jesus' true name which is, Yahusha. Pronounced, Ya Hoo Sha
I second the recommendation to interview Sean Griffin from Kingdom in Context. These guys misrepresented MANY aspects of this movement, particularly the comments about legalism and the “us vs. them” divisiveness. It’s the skeptics who are sounding the alarm and casting judgements without deeper understanding. The Christians I know who follow Torah and observe God’s feasts are humble and more genuine followers of Christ than anyone I know. Further, the Biblical feasts are not “Jewish” feasts, rather they were appointed by God as part of an *everlasting* covenant to be observed by his people as a BLESSING, not a burden. Choosing to rest on the Sabbath to honor God’s command and meditate on his Word is a blessing, and it’s utter foolishness to compare it to cultish behavior. I will pray for greater discernment among Christians on this matter.
Andrew opened by stating that he follows the 10 Commandments. One of the commandments is to observe the Sabbath. In the Old Testament, the sabbath was observed Friday sundown until Saturday sundown, it is still observed that way by Jews and the TO crows. Sunday, is the Lords day, which began in the book of Acts. It’s really not the same as sabbath. I don’t think that Andrew really differentiated. When he got into the details of how the Sabbath is observed, Saturday versus Sunday, it made it sound like it’s all really the same thing. In the New Testament, the ninth commandment, to observe the sabbath is the only commandment that is not repeated. Jesus is our Sabbath rest. I believe that, but I think the lack of clarity in the conversation causes more confusion.
Mar. 2 shows the true Christ saying _the Sabbath_ is His day, so where you are getting this from about Sunday being the Lord's day? It certainly isn't from the same bible that consistently shows God calling the Sabbath His day.
@vintagevirtueswithjen Sunday is not the Lord's day nor did they begin to switch the day in the book of Acts. The only place you could be referring to is Acts 20:7 which says "Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread..." The word "day" is in italics, meaning it was added in by the translators and not in the original text. Also, the word "week" there is from the Greek word Sabaton or Sabbath. All to say that a better understanding of that passage could read "Now on the first sabbath when the disciples came together to break bread..." In the 28 chapters that comprise the book of Acts there are 24 instances where Paul or another one of the apostles is referenced as teaching on the sabbath and/or in the synagogue on sabbath. You can spiritualize away a tangible instruction from God to honor the sabbath (the 4th commandment) just by saying "Jesus is our sabbath rest". I would like to know exactly where you're referring to in the NT that says the sabbath commandment, which is not the 9th, but the 4th commandment, is not repeated. Just because something is not repeated does not make it obsolete. The catholic church purposefully changed the day from Saturday to Sunday during the Council of Laodicea (hmmm, aren't they the church that Yahusha vomits out of his mouth???) in the 300s. They had the audacity to say their authority was above the Bible and changing the sabbath day to Sunday proves that.
The sabbath is referred to in the New Testament scriptures (showing it as still being kept) and it is referred to in Hebrews four and referenced/quoted in the Revelation in part. We are to worship the one who made the heavens, earth, sea and all that is in them. That is a part of the sabbath commandment and stated in Revelation. Exodus 20:8-11 "Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: *For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day:* _wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."_ Psalm 146:5-6 "Happy is he that hath the God of Jacob for his help, whose hope is in *the LORD his God: Which made heaven, and earth, the sea, and all that therein is:* which keepeth truth for ever" The God who made the heaven, earth and sea and all that is in them is the God who then rested from everything He created and made on the seventh day. Genesis 2:1-3 "Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made." Sabbath is a sign God gave us _to remind us who the true Creator God is._ This is an eternal sign between God and His people. Exodus 31:13 "Tell the people of Israel: 'Be careful to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a *sign* of the covenant between me and you from generation to generation. It is given *so you may know that I am the LORD,* who makes you holy." Ezekiel 20:20 "and keep my Sabbath days holy, for they are *a sign to remind you that I am the LORD your God."* Someone else is going to come and claim to be the creator but sabbath is a sign between us and God that He is the Creator. That's why we see this warning in Revelation quoting part of Exodus 20:8-11. Revelation 14:7 "and he said with a loud voice, "Fear God, and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come; *worship Him who made the heaven and the earth and sea and springs of waters."* Rev 10:6 "and swore by *Him who lives forever and ever, WHO CREATED HEAVEN AND THE THINGS IN IT, AND THE EARTH AND THE THINGS IN IT, AND THE SEA AND THE THINGS IN IT,* that there will be delay no longer," When we keep reading in Exodus 20 we see that sabbath is a *perpetual covenant* (without interruption) and that sabbath is *forever.* There is no need to repeat this commandment. God has already said it is perpetual (without interruption) and forever. Exodus 31:16-17 "So the sons of Israel shall observe the sabbath, to celebrate the sabbath throughout their generations as a *_perpetual covenant._* It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel *_forever_** FOR* in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed." Sabbath is an important sign to remind us which god is the true and living God, our God is the God who created the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that is in them _and then rested on the seventh day from everything He created and made._
Galatians 3:19 (Paul said) “Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come.
One thing to note about the Hebrew Movement celebrating biblical feasts is that if it is not done exactly as commanded in the Bible, then it is in vain and a sin. Today, it is impossible to keep the feasts as they are outlined in the Bible. Every feast pointed to Christ; we remember Him now by acknowledging His death and resurrection. By his blood alone, we are saved, not by our own vain works. We Christians rest in the finished work of God, not wrecking our brains to make sure every leavening agent is cleaned from our homes when Jesus has cleaned it all from our hearts. Rest in Him and be set free from the letter of the law.
It is not impossible at all, because God's true Church has observed His festivals ever since He ordained them. That hasn't changed in the last 2 millennia. The ppl who make these kinds of lazy, uninformed justifications is simply trying to avoid taking steps to do what God requires. The fact that Zech. 14 shows Christ enforcing these festivals after He returns means they're supposed to be observed now.
Jesus actually says: “And he answered, s“You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your MIND and love your neighbor as yourself.” -Luke 10:27 If you are not “wracking your brain” trying to understand the truth are you loving God with all your mind? It is the first and most important commandment. Secondly Jesus says: 17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. “For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. The new earth and Heaven have not yet come! Jesus has fulfilled part of the scripture but will not complete it until his second coming. Thus, we absolutely should be obedient to the Torah as Jesus was a Torah abiding Jew and reinforced the Torah throughout the gospels and attended all the feasts. If you are going to use the same train of logic that our rest is in him and his finished work (which I agree with) but fail to acknowledge that God still does call us to be obedient to his word than why can’t people have gay marriage and commit adultery? You are then misunderstanding the law and that he placed it to protect us because we know that he loves us and protects us and made us so knows what’s best. If you commit adultery or were once gay, you can find forgiveness through Christ’s death and resurrection but it does not mean you can continue doing whatever you want and say you are resting in him. Additionally, you are right that right now we no longer need to sacrifice on Passover as Jesus was the Passover lamb. We also are not currently gathering in Jerusalem for some of these feasts but we are rehearsing for when Jesus does return and when the new Heaven and earth because everyone will be gathering for these feasts. We are not celebrating them in vain and sin but rather in great anticipation and rehearsal for Jesus return!
What would you say about Zechariah 14:16 concerning the fact that Sukkot (feast of booths or tabernacles) will be observed in the Millennial reign of Christ?
When historical Christianity is viewed scripturally, all scripture works together perfectly. For those who say they are Torah observant, they must make the apostles of Paul go away. Paul is the one who is assigned by Jesus to deliver the gospel (which translates to “good news,” to the Gentiles (non-Jews), to the kings, and to the children of Israel” (Acts 9:15).
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Religion teaches law & works salvation, but Biblical Christianity teaches that salvation is by grace through faith in the blood atonement of the Lord Jesus through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
Ive listened to these guys here and also on their own channel talking about the hebrew roots movement and the sad thing is they actually know very little of what Torah observant christians believe and the arguments they out up are either not arguments at all or really easily refuted. This would have been a lot better if you had an actual torah observant christian on with them to bring some clarity.
@wjdyr6261 I am a Trinitarian because God Is Three Distinct Persons But Still God. I all also believe the church needs to go back to her hebrew roots for true revival to happen.
119 doesn't know whether or not Yeshua is God. Kingdom in Context does not believe in the trinity. Unlearn believes in soul sleep and does not believe in eternal conscious torment in hell (believes annihilation). Just fyi. Corner Fringe Ministries is very good but after Lex visited them I'm not sure of their official stand on ECT versus annihilation. I worship with Corner Fringe on-line on sabbath. This is a very narrow walk.
Thanks for posting this interview. I almost got looped into this movement myself through the Torah class, which is a study of the whole Bible with a Hebrew roots perspective. I was interested in learning more about Christianity through its Hebraic origins and I thought this was a good way to do that. Unfortunately, what I began to understand was a tendency to not view the Bible as a whole, but instead to either ignore or reinterpret Paul's writings about not being under the law but being under grace. It's unfortunate, because I think that Christianity could benefit from knowing more about the ancient Jewish culture. We could benefit greatly by celebrating Jesus in the Jewish feasts, because the feasts are all about Jesus. He is the meaning behind all of the...the fulfilled and unfulfilled. But the Hebrew Roots folks tend to take it way too far and make it more about the Torah and less about knowing our Lord Jesus Christ.
Lori - thanks for sharing. I have a friend who was brought up in a Baptist church but last year he took a Torah class, which then evolved into getting a Jewish study Bible, and now he’s following dietary laws from Leviticus, observes the Sabbath and next wants to learn more about the feasts, etc. He wants to follow all 613 commandments in the Torah to the best of his ability he said.
Being 'under the law' is when the law is able to hold hold us for violating it. If we are driving down the road and the posted law (speed limit) is 55 mph and we are not going over 55 mph the 'law' cannot hold us...because we are not violating that law. If we go over 55 mph the law now has power over us and can hold us...we are under the law. We will come into judgement. Justice and grace is when someone else pays our fine/speeding ticket. We are free to go. While we are free to go, it wouldn't be wise to go out and start speeding again...that same law can again be over us. Let's say the same person pays our fine again and again and again...and we are not repentant, we do not change our speeding ways, instead we have decided we like speeding OR that no-matter what we will be 'forgiven' our speeding fines (presumptuous sin). Eventually we may die while we are speeding (if we live that way). We do not used God's grace as license to sin. *Whatever* God has said is sin is still sin and it does separate us from God if we do not go to Jesus for cleansing and instead live in sin. If we deny what God has said is sin, deceiving ourselves, how can we be forgiven for these sins? It is one thing to be ignorant of what God desires but another to reject what God desires because _after hearing/reading His written word_ we deceive ourselves into believing something is acceptable. We know God is not a respecter of persons. We can see what God desires for us to do and not do. If we obey Him in these things we are not 'under the law'...it can't hold us because we are not continuing to violate it and if we do fall into sin we have an Advocate. We must confess those sins and He will cleanse us from all unrighteousness. But if we continue to violate God's law, living in sin, we are in for a rude awakening.
@@LoriLev1107 I'm not sure I did. Yes, everything is about knowing God and loving God through Jesus Christ, who is God. The Torah is God's instruction and tells us about His character and how to love Him. Jesus is the perfect example and yes we are under grace and not under the law/held by the law _if we are walking in obedience._ Torah is not in conflict with Jesus...it doesn't just point to him and then conclude once we find him. His life demonstrates we must walk in obedience to God and His word/torah. Yes, many in HR and Christianity (both) misinterpret Paul's writings. I am a Christian who follows Jesus which means I also follow Torah. I am not under the law (held by it, in fear of judgement) _unless I am walking in disobedience._ We can easily deceive ourselves into thinking something is o.k. for us when God has already let us know it is not o.k. in His word. Many in H.R. see that and are trying to obey, unfortunately some get led astray by false teachers who do as you said, misinterpret Paul... _but the same is true in mainstream Christianity._ For example, we are not supposed to be eating unclean animals and mainstream Christianity tells us otherwise, even though Isaiah is very clear that at the second coming those doing so will be destroyed. So whether in HR or mainstream there are deadly deceptions. Our eyes must be on Jesus...which also means we will be obeying God's commandments...both. (The saints sing the song of Moses _and_ the song of the Lamb) The law is good if one uses it lawfully (correctly). If used correctly, the law teaches us more about Jesus, _not less._ I do understand what you are communicating....focusing on 'the law' can cause one to take their eyes off of Jesus (that is not using the law 'lawfully'). At the same time believing in Jesus without obeying God's instructions is _just_ as deadly.
Wow. I listened to this while gardening and hadn’t seen the tattoo. That explains why I felt like something was “off” with him. If it’s something he got BC he needs to cover it and prob save up to have it removed. I can’t listen to him again until I find out he’s doing both of those things.
@@heididecker707 if Christ has accepted him that’s wonderful. He’s my brother in Christ. I’ve just learned that they don’t display these things on accident. If I came to Christ after getting a tattoo like that I would do everything possible to make it clear who I follow now. I would cover it until I could have it removed or tattoo something over it. Maybe you aren’t aware of what the all seeing eye stands for???
@@lauranilsen8988 I am aware, but I think he was unquestionably clear that he follows Jesus. Not sure how you missed that, unless you are focused on finding shortcomings. Love does not keep an account of wrongs.
@@heididecker707 I don’t really remember but I prob didn’t watch the whole thing after I saw the eye. You are taking that verse completely out of context.
@@benjantzen8910 It isn't hard to find some truth in any religion. The problem was with Herbert W. Armstrong's interpretation of Scripture. Plus, he added a ton of his own laws. There were even additional dietary laws that weren't even mentioned in the old testament. For instance, we weren't allowed to eat chocolate. We had to eat carob instead, because HWA believed chocolate caused fornication. Out of the blue one Sabbath, women were told that they were no longer allowed to shave their legs. HWA's young wife shaved her legs, and after she left him, women in the church were no longer allowed to do the same things she did. All the women who were of age were required to go to church before Passover and wash a strange man's feet. My Dad (who was not a member) hated it when my mom would go do that, but he tolerated it. I was born into the WWCG. I spent my entire childhood and young adult life in it. Then, one day, after I had my first child, my mom went out for cotton balls and never came home. She ran off with some man, started celebrating Christmas and sent all her children hams. Even she couldn't adhere to the law.
“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
It'd be interesting to see you talk to someone within the movement, though, like maybe Zach Bauer, Luke Abaffy (creator of The Way docu), Triumph in Truth pastor G. Steven (former mega church pastor), or someone from 119 Ministries.
If you look in the accounts in the book of ACTS, The apostles and Paul were consistently keeping the sabbaths and the feast days. This was after the death and resurrection of Jesus. Paul, being a Torah master, defended the law, and western civilization has twisted his words. It has nothing to do with Hebrew roots. It’s written in plain English right in our Bible.
You mentioned the crossing of the line. Telling someone else to keep the commandments. If that is true would Jesus have crossed that line of yours in Matt 5:19 “Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.” seems clear he would like them all kept. If you love me keep my commandments.
..." But He answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." [Matthew 15:24]...Gentile Christianity didn't come till Cornelius...and then the Apostles and Holy Spirit did not trouble these new believers further with the Law from Moses and the burdens, the Jews themselves didn't/couldn't keep [Acts 15]...they were to follow "the Law (teachings) of Christ", and also in particular abstain from blood, fornication and meat offered to Idols...nothing else specifically from "The Law"...
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree: Galatians 3:1-3, 10-13 KJV
@@soybeanfarmer4576 Yes. The Torah is the most perfect foundation to those who have faith in Jesus Christ. Law is our “schoolmaster” This truth from Galatians is powerfully: “Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 3:24-25). In the Hebrew, “schoolmaster” means “paidagogos,” an extremely strict pre-kindergarten teacher who comes in and teaches the very young student right and wrong so the child is ready to begin school. Law is the foundation to Grace, which was purchased with the blood of the promised Redeemer. Those whom Israel had permission to stone to death under law, we must now love under Grace. Religion teaches law & works salvation, but Biblical Christianity teaches that salvation is by grace through faith in the blood atonement of the Lord Jesus through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Jesus is now our High Priest (Heb. 4:14). Our bodies are now His temple (1 Cor. 6: 19-20.) Jesus showed us following law was no longer sufficient in His repeated phrases in the Sermon on the Mount: “You have heard that it was said…But I say to you …” (Matt. 5:21, 27, 31, 33, 38, 43).Jesus purchased His church with His blood (Acts 20:28) & we are led by the Holy Spirit (Rom. 8:14).
@@carrotstick1970 [Rom 13:8-10 NKJV] 8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not bear false witness," "You shall not covet," and if [there is] any other commandment, are [all] summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love [is] the fulfillment of the law.
@@soybeanfarmer4576 [Rom 13:8-10 NKJV] 8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not bear false witness," "You shall not covet," and if [there is] any other commandment, are [all] summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love [is] the fulfillment of the law.
Not trying to be rude, but as a member of the movement, the first few sentences were completely wrong, totally and altogether. They are very common misconceptions and fear-mongering ideas. We just believe that the definition of sin is breaking God’s commandments. We need Jesus to resurrect, judge, rule over, and atone for us. Nothing is taking away from Jesus. And why not use His original Hebrew name out of respect, and why not use the name God the Father reveals to us in Scripture? Are the feasts given by Jewish people or by God on Mount Sinai? Is there a commandment to celebrate the birth of Jesus? Is there already a feast in place to celebrate the resurrection rather than Easter? Did God describe these feasts as everlasting, and did He say not to add or take away? So much fear and misunderstanding about this belief system! Maybe one day the triggering effect of challenging theologians’ doctrines can relax. This is not a dangerous movement.
Ephesians 2, Ephesians 3 and Romans 11 tell us that when we put out faith in Messiah we are no longer Gentiles. We are grafted into the wild olive tree and become part of Israel. Abraham wasn't an Israelite. He was a Hebrew (Genesis 14:13). Hebrew means "crossed over". He crossed over from the ways of the world into a relationship with the Father. Deuteronomy 28 and Deuteronomy 30 explain to us that when we keep the Father's commands we are blessed and when we disobey them we are cursed. Psalm 119 is a beautiful chapter that tells us the Father's commands are good, holy and perfect. Some other good passages to study are: Psalm 19:7-11, Psalm 1, Matthew 5:17-19, John 14:15, 1 John 5:2-3, John 15:10, John 14:21-24, 1 John 3:4). Torah means instructions. The commands are His instructions in righteousness. They are for our benefit! Salvation comes to us by faith, but keeping His commands are how we show the Father we love him! James tells us that faith and works go together. It's both faith and works! (James 2:14-26) The Most High defines good works in His Torah. "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." Revelation 22:14. "Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of Elohiym and hold to the testimony of Messiah. And he stood on the sand of the sea." Revelation 12:17.
I didn't start believing in Jesus from my Judaism to fall back into bondage of keeping a Law (which IS good) that I cannot keep. I'm befuddled over why people (particularly Gentiles) would choose to try and keep a Law that Christ fulfilled. Full disclosure, I DO wear a kippah when I go to church, but that is my identifying with my heritage...not out of obligation or "prove" to God how obedient I am.
I don't think they did a thorough job in their discussion on this because it does not fully depict why one is keeping the Sabbath and appointed times of Yahweh. They don't give the full context of why we believe what we believe. It puts a negative light on those who follow Yahweh's instructions. It was a bit painful in my opinion because in light of their statements, biblical context and interpretation is not fully understood and misrepresented.
That's what Catholics and Protestants do: they lie and slander. They have to do whatever it takes to keep up the illusion that their religion is biblical because certainly can't prove it. If Christ and the apostles walked this earth, they would accuse them of being in a cult for doing the same exact things they adhered to in the 1st century. We all _know_ they would NEVER attend a church that preaches contrary to the Law and Prophets.
@@beckyfrechette4439you were in the wrong movement then. These guys have not represented well what myself and other Torah observant christians believe. It's offensive.
I practised Hebrew roots for about 2 years. I am so thankful that the Holy Spirit guided me to be set free from it by reading Pauls letters, especially tbe book of Galatians. It is a slippery slope. Started out as an act of trying to show my love and adoration for Jesus..knowing im not adding to my salvation, but wanting to be pleasing to Him..soon I started to feel the yoke of the rest of the law I am not following..Paul said be careful to return back to the law, as if you beging to keep one you need to keep all. There is liberty in Christ, when you walk by the Spirit. Jesus made me free from torah observance, and I have never felt so at peace and secure in His finished work for me. There is pride in torah keeping..without wanting to, I started to look down on these 'christians' that did not know truth of torah observance..i became so abrasive!! I am very alarmed at how some arms of the hebrew root movement eventually go so deep down the rabbit hole that Paul' letters becomes seen as a 'antichrist' movement..i have friends still in HRM who now completely disgard all the new testament books except for the gospels. It is a utter perversion of the true gospel. I earnestly pray that people caught in this perversion will see the true sabbath rest which they have IN JESUS, and that the contend to stay in His rest ( Hebrew 4). Knowing the truth about the false christian holidays, I have not returned to celebrating them, and I have learned all about the feasts and how it points to Jesus. I do not celebrate the feasts as per the torah, but I am always joyfully aware of each one. Be blessed, be untangled, and step into true Sabbath rest with Yeshua our King!!
Shalom, Simon. With all due respect to you, you said several things that demonstrated a lack of understanding on your part, both of the Scriptures, and of the Hebrew Roots Movement in general. Most prominently was your utterly unbiblical assertion that Yeshua is our "true Sabbath". Sorry, but that's not what Hebrews 4 says, not even close. So, on that note, consider testing your assertion against our video (Video 7) on Hebrews 4.
So you need to actually research Easter and Christmas, those are not in the Bible. They are pagan. Jesus kept the Feasts in the Bible. Those Holy Days are to be observed. THAT'S in the Bible. Get your facts straight. Jesus also did not do away with the Old Testament
@@greggpurviance7252 This is pure ignorance on display. Eph. 2 teaches that biblical Christianity is based on the authority of the apostles _and_ prophets. Christ fulfilling the messianic and moral requirements doesn't mean He came to abolish it, as He very clearly told ppl in Matt. 5 not to even think that He came to do such a thing. Where do you see Christ opposing Moses?
I am a Jewish believer. Someone once told me to go to a Messianic congregation. Living in the OT. I was not learning about Jesus. In fact, you had to say Yeshua(Hebrew) not Jesus. Lots of control. Many gentile?believers all wanted to be Jewish and even refused to go to their own family’s Christmas holidays. I thought all that wrong. I left that and now am at a Bible church that is reformed in Soteriology and expository!!
How did you overcome Deuteronomy 13? Doesn’t the modern day teaching that Jesus supposedly taught against Torah justify the killing of Him as a false teacher?
The Torah does not apply to everyone equally. But even Gentiles have parts of Torah that apply to them. To say the Torah has no relevancy is ignorance of biblical teaching. This episode shows a proper lack of understanding of Galatians and the book of Hebrews. Jesus was a Jew. If he canceled the Torah he would have discredited himself as the messiah. Deuteronomy 13. The same goes for Paul. Jesus did not start a new religion. That developed over time. To suggest otherwise is unbiblical.
Eeekkk! Saying Jesus is our sabbath rest…..yes…..but using it as an excuse to not honor the sabbath?? Especially when at the beginning of this program it was stated that they follow the 10 commandments. Honoring the sabbath is one of them. God himself set an example of resting when He rested on the 7th day. He set an example because us as humans tend to work ourselves to the bone. We tend to not stop and put Him first, or our families for that reason. Will you lose your salvation over not honoring the sabbath? No, but as believers don’t we want to? Don’t we want to grow closer to Jesus and have an intimate relationship with who He is? There is so much richness that comes from resting and I’ve found it a joy wrapped up in so much grace that He has set that example for me. There are extremes (which is being discussed here) and there is a balance and someone can live in that balance without all the extremes.
As someone who is researching what Hebrew roots is, and trying to understand, I just finished the video and felt like it was poorly done. I don’t observe the Torah, but it seems to me like y’all want to completely ignore it. Yeah you can worship on Sundays, worship every day… but god said to remember the sabbath and keep it holy. He created the world and rested on the sabbath, which further shows its importance. It’s a thing. Also- the festivals are celebrations and many of them pointed to the coming of Jesus, and represented what he would do. For example, passover points to his sacrifice on the cross as the perfect lamb. No, it’s not your salvation and to put salvation in the hands of anything other than the savior doesn’t make sense but to me this whole video sounds like the girl has an enemy who observes Torah and wanted to take a jab…like I said I’m still in the learning phase myself but most of the Bible was written in Hebrew, there are things that cannot be fully understood outside of Hebrew (ie the worm in psalm 22) There’s definitely something to be said for the original language and customs that is being ignored…!Poorly researched, poorly presented at best and at worst, Wrong and potentially damaging to understanding of scripture. I would be careful what you deem unimportant and what you teach others…
Speaking of cults, did anyone notice the middle gentleman has a tattoo of a pyramid with the all-seeing eye (or at least that's what it looks like to me)?
Unless your Catholic? What's that got to do with it? Shabbat is the same day of the week for everyone whatever you do or don't do on that day. Catholics don't have their Sabbath apart from everyone else.
By calling them Jewish Holidays or feasts your showing your lack of Biblical understanding and your love of traditions of your elders…hmmm… now where did I hear that before?!
I think this is the right way. There can be meaning in observing the biblical holidays, but to say that everyone MUST observe them for salvation is not right. Though maybe many Christians still treat the weekly sabbath in the Ten Commandments with more reverence than other biblical holidays. I don't know that I would call them entirely "man-made" traditions because they were originally given by God in the Bible, but a lot of traditions that develop around them are man-made and subject to interpretation. In terms of Jesus' name, I don't think it's right to say that you must use a certain name, but it can help to understand what Jesus' name was in his own time too. "Jesus" in English was not written with a "J" until the 1600s, and even then it was still pronounced as an "I" and not a modern "J" for a long time. Given that, laypeople might want to know what he was called before then.
So it’s not okay to call him Yeshua? His ORIGINAL name? Isn’t that a Greek translation? Also if keep the Sabbath Holy is on the Ten Commandments why do we think we don’t need to keep it when it’s one of Gods eternal commandments?
Maybe Andrew should cover up his all seeing eye tattoo if it’s something he got BC. If he got it while hosting Cultish that explains why I got a bad feeling when I listened to him.
For the law was given by Moses; but grace and truth is made by Jesus Christ. John 1:17 That's the closest argument I can find to what this guy says in Allie's video. To myself and many others this reads as the law is still to be upheld. The law of the Torah. Jesus is the addition of grace and truth. Again as throughout the gospel we see the pattern of Jesus asking us to do our best as humans to follow these laws. The difference between the old and the new is that Jesus has given salvation and forgiveness to the Jews who believe in him as well as the gentile. In fact Messianic Jews are also known as Christian Jews. I think perhaps there is some reason to this in the other reference this man pulled up. In Acts The situation in which she speaks of where the men follow Paul and try to exercise demons; Not only are they trying to use power not bestowed on them, which has absolutely nothing to do with celebrating the feasts by the way.... But these people were labeled as "Jews". There were Jews and there were heathens. I believe they specified that it was Jews that were trying to exercise the demons because they were not Christian. So not only were they not direct disciples of Christ but they were not Christians did not believe in Jesus and did not have Jesus in their hearts... In Hebrews 4:8-9 I am surprised to find that it says Jesus did not name another day of rest so the current Sabbath remains a day of rest. So it's basically the opposite of what this man in the video says. This is cross referencing several translations of the Bible as well as the first English translation. I plan to read more of Galatians, but thus far it soeaks much of the salvation of Abraham's seed. Which I wonder if is speaking of the concept that the Jews would first be opened to Christianity and salvation and the gentile to follow. It speaks of how no men, of the seed of Abraham, had been capable of following the whole law. Ie; they all had sinned in one form or another. But that belief in Jesus would save them from requiring they follow every law in such a way. That's the point...just as we aren't asked to be sinless as Christian gentiles...we are asked to TURN away from sin and to do our best to follow Jesus' example. Which BTW, he celebrated Passover and other holy days. Passover is a great way to start IMHO.
Your interpretation of Hebrews 4:9 confuses me. The context clearly is speaking of entering rest in the promised land, now in Christ and has nothing to do with the seventh day which was established before Joshua. You should take a look at Galatians 3, Paul explicitly states several times that in Christ we are no longer under the law.
Jesus celebrated the feast because He hadn't died and rose again yet. When He did , He said it is finished. He had obeyed perfectly and fulfilled every single feast pointing to His sacrifice. He made the 1st obsolete by fulfilling it. Then, after His ascension, the church body was formed, Jew and Gentile in one new body, saved wholly by His grace in faith. Read your N, .T. again and what the apostles taught as they they preached and the Lord grew the church. ❤
Biblical feast not Jewish feasts they are for everyone ❤ praise God! What a blessing to be grafted in and share in his promises Torah is for everyone it’s his perfect design for life!!!! God doesn’t change and neither does his word live your life for him! It is so beautiful and brings life ❤
So if we believe the Old Test was given to us bc it was God's word and we believe Jesus' words(that and have the Holy Spirit helping us discern how the 2 are connected) this makes us a dangerous, cult-like false gospel. Interesting. I would encourage viewers to read the Old Test for yourself, maybe visit the channel Jesus' Words Only and then pray in the Holy Spirit for discernment and trust God to handle the rest. Funny thing is the modern evangelical empire is looking more and more like another variety of the Catholic Church and seems to me the only thing dangerous about people reading and following God's law is the danger it poses to that industry.
If 1 John 5:17 says, "All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death," and Psalm 119:172 says, "My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness." Why would anyone not want to keep His commandments? We are commanded not to do unrighteousness. His commandments are righteousness. So the one who does not keep His commandments and tells others not to keep them is a liar and the truth is not in him. 1 John 2:3-4 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
And what is that commandment? Jesus says in John 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another. You mention 1 John 2:3-4 but if you continue in vs 5 it says "but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the LOVE OF GOD is perfected." Then in vs 6 "whoever says he abides in him ought to WALK in the SAME WAY in which He walked." And what is John referring to? He makes it clear in the following verses by even mentioning a "new commandment which is not new" in vs 9 and 10 "Whoever says he is in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness. Whoever loves his brother abides in the light, and in himf there is no cause for stumbling." That's the commandment Jesus told us to keep, and John is speaking about that in his letter. The greatest commandment according to Jesus and why: Matt 22:37-40 "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend ALL the Law and the Prophets". That's the law on which the apostles speak of and the one Jesus gave to us. To be righteous you must Love God first and your neighbor because if you achieve to do that, then you have fulfilled the Law. The Law has nothing to do with ceremonies.
@gattibeba8841 Love is the root of where obedience flows from. Love does no wrong. If you have a hardened heart, you will not obey Him. This is the rebellious person. This person is in the flesh. The person who is in the Spirit has a heart of flesh that has been changed from the hardened heart. (Ezekiel 36-26-27) This is the person who can love. This person will demonstrate that love by keeping God's commandments. His commandments are the law. John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments. 1 John 2:3-5 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. Revelation 14:12 Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus. Matthew 4:4 But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. God's commandments are righteousness. When it is no longer I who lives, but Christ who lives in me, it is Christ walking the commandments out through me. The flesh doesn't want to submit to His Law because it cannot. You have to be reborn for this desire to occur. Romans 8:5-8 For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. Does the Spirit of God inside the believer walk against the commandments of God or for the commandments of God?
It's too bad they didn't read "Matthew 5:17-19 If you want to call yourself an expert, you should have studied it. Why do you condemn something without understanding it. The law doesn't save you. It brings you closer to God.
I think Christians need to read the Old Testament to understand the New Testament.
There is an old saying: The Old Testament is the New Testament concealed; the New Testament is the Old Testament revealed.
Other way round, read the New Testament to understand the Old Testament.
@@mrsmith3260I guess Jesus and the Apostles never understood the Torah or the Prophets? How was Anyone Saved Before the writings of the Apostles were compiled?! lol
@Kali08012the “New Testament” wasn’t even written when he said those words. Just keep that in mind 🤗
Found the HR follower. You can’t assume we don’t. That’s an ignorant statement you made.
Celebrating God’s Holy Days has added a whole new joy in my walk as a believer in Yeshua❣️🥰🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻Try them❣️
Amen! Christians think Easter Christmas and Halloween are okay but refuse to even look into The Lord's feast days, and the 4 th commandment Sabbath.
@@td6259What’s wrong with Christmas 🎄 & Easter? Christmas is the celebration of Christ’s birth and Easter is the celebration of his Resurrection!!
@@brookeschultz5037both Christmas and Easter derived from paganism. It has pagan roots with dark history
@@TatureBudUnfortunately it has been long debunked.
@@joshuamelton9148 hmm I’m curious how it was debunked. It was never commanded by God
I am not saved because I keep the Law, I keep the Law because I AM saved.
Amen!
Which law? The Torah? Because that was done 2000 years ago. The Israelites couldn’t keep it either. We walk in the Spirit of God and keep the Law of Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. Romans 8:2
@@debblouin According to Jeremiah 31, God’s Spirit is given to us in the New Covenant to help us keep the Torah. Read it yourself. Peace
@@debblouin of course, they could keep the law, they chose not to, God said all the way back in Deuteronomy 30 that it wasn’t too difficult. This is just another man-made Christianese saying that we have adopted as doctrine. But it is a lie. By the way, John, reiterates that his commandments are not burdensome. But we’ve been trained to not hear that as well. Revelation 14:12 says it all, “here are those who KEEP the commandments of God, AND the faith of Jesus“. Notice how this is New Testament. You need both happening. And for all those who think that Paul preached the end of the law, please see Romans 3:31 and then define the word “establish ““.
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They aren't 'Jewish feasts' they are biblical feasts and the literal substance of them is Jesus Christ (Col 2:17, Rom14:5). Many of the festivals are commanded in the OT as an 'everlasting ordinance' and celebrated by Christians in the NT (ie. Jesus last supper which we do as communion is a Passover dinner-Matt 26) and Paul says to 'keep the festival' (1Cor5:8), celebrating Pentecost is 'feast of harvest/weeks/first fruits' they just call it something different (Shavuot). They celebrate it for giving of the 10 commandments on Mt. Sinai, we celebrate it for receiving the indwelling Holy Spirit who wrote the laws on our hearts (WE STILL CELEBRATE IT). The feast of trumpets/Day of Atonement as celebrated in the OT is a prophecy that is to be fulfilled (Matthew 24:30-31, 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17, Revelation 11:15) and both are referenced in Acts27:9. This is a lasting ordinance that can't be fulfilled w/o the the Messiah as the temple is now destroyed (Lev16:29) and was meant for anyone associating with God's community (Lev16:29-31). The feast of tabernacles is celebrated by Jesus in John 7 and there is prophecy that one day the whole world will honor the feast of booths (tabernacles) Zech14:16.
The reason why folks DON"T celebrate God's appointed times is due to the infiltration of paganism (mostly in the Roman Catholic church) and due to Emperor Constantine who made ordinances (see Constantine's anti-Judaic legislation) to separate the the Jews from Christians.
Also, one of the lies (as the devil always does mixing truth with lies) is that this has anything to do with following Rabbinic laws or OT ceremonial laws (laws that have to to do with temple service). This is false as there is no standing temple. We practice these as a remembrance (just as for example the Lord's supper).
Also none of this is mandatory (salvific) but there are IMMENSE BLESSINGS in learning about and celebrating biblical feasts/appointed times. They celebrate and honor God per His instructions, who could hate on that?
Your last paragraph contradicts the whole that you wrote above....... You sound off acting like we as Christians must obey these feasts to none of this is mandatory..... I love learning about these feasts for they are a part of GOD's WORD
@@solochristo65 Mandatory = salvific....the feasts are not salvific but they are 'good.'
That’s the problems with “Christians” they just repeat talking points and don’t read their history
@@helenagreenpine1496 God says those who are sanctifying themselves (setting themselves apart from the world) and purifying themselves (getting rid of sin) who also eat swines flesh, rats and the abomination will all meet their end together. The Lord will slay them at His second coming (according to Isaiah 66). When we disobey by eating any food that God has said not to eat (whether fruit from the tree of knowledge or swines flesh, rats and the abomination or food sacrificed to idols, etc.) it is a sin that causes us to be separated from God. Acts lists the most important things *(the essentials)* to avoid in order for us to do well but also goes on to say because Moses is read in every city on the sabbath. This indicates we will hear the rest of God's laws overtime every week on the sabbath and learn...but in the meantime these essentials need to be avoided for us to do well.
Following Torah is the truth it is Gods perfect design and plan for our lives!!! Ever wondered what his will is….. it’s in the Old Testament that is how to stay on Gods road for your life read your Bible and let the Lord lead you. We are only required to give our best not be perfect. The Torah was to show we need a savior now we have Torah to show obedience with our savior and he makes our way perfect through his perfect sacrifice!!!!! It’s so beautiful ! You can’t have the father (Old Testament) with out the son(New Testament) or the son with out the father both work together! Test everything with scripture
I’m a Christian…I know I’m a gentile (by blood) made into the body of Christ like many of us, but I choose to keep 0 men’s Holidays today and observe Saturday Sabbath…the 4th Commandment. I wish I knew more about God’s Holy Days.
Good for you! Sin is transgression of the law. Sin is lawlessness. 1 John 3:4
So if breaking God's law is sin, and we are to repent (turn) from sin, then we will walk in His commandments 👍
"119 Ministries" is an EXCELLENT teaching source for learning about the feasts and how they point to Jesus. So much we miss in the new testament because we don't understand the O.T.
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119 Ministries is a Hebrew Roots apologist group. I have seen some of their videos but haven’t personally done a deep dive. RL Solberg has done a pretty good and comprehensive job addressing 119 Ministries arguments.
@@debblouin they use scriptures with EVERY point they make. It's up to the viewer to discern if they're using scripture correctly. They even encourage the viewer to "search the scriptures". After all the scriptures are the final authority. ALL scriptures "O.T." AND "N.T.".
@@valeriehinkle8995 yep. They always start and end with “test everything”. Seems like a humble guy too but I will continue to test everything.
“To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.”
Exactly: the law and the Spirit. The two witness of God. Just like Jesus is the Word and he had the Spirit so they are witness to have been in Gods presence. The two witnesses of the new testament. “The faithful and true witness”
I would like to see if you could actually interview someone that teaches within the movement instead of people that can not explain their faith.
Yes, she should ask David Wilber to come on to her podcast.
What about showing actual Biblical evidence for the abolishment of the seventh-day Sabbath?
They never will they are wolves.
How can one say they keep the 10 commandments while at the same time saying that the only commandment that says for us to remember you can say to forget.
@@78mking very well said.
@@78mking That's been my question for years. I just last week celebrated Sabbath for the first time. I'm going to keep on doing it.
@@kimmieb2u That's a blessing!
Testimony time. In 2006, we were members of a Baptist Church AND a Catholic Church, and started 'really' studying the Bible. We first noticed the 7th Day Sabbath was given at creation, to all people, as a memorial of creation and our Father's great work. We were convicted that all believers all to keep this 7th Day to indicate Who we worship, and to honor our God. Yet, we said nothing, and prayed and continued to study. We left the Sunday keeping Church when the pastor had a sermon that 'God said we are to go to Church on Sunday.' That was the end. The preacher might bring up sin, but never got close to what God says sin is. We then went to a 7th Day Sabbath Church that did not keep the Feasts of God other than the Sabbath. That was all we understood at the time, and that seemed fine.....'until'.....
We continued to study the Bible, and noticed that Deuteronomy 31:29-30 speaks of the LATTER DAYS.... and beginning in chapter 28 through to the end of Deuteronomy, we hear what the expectations are from God....and MOSES SANG ALL THE WORDS OF THIS SONG....and the 'song' was the law/Torah/instructions FROM GOD. We noticed that ALL 12 TRIBES and THOSE GRAFTED IN.....the STRANGERS FROM EGYPT THAT BELIEVED were at the foot of that mountain....and that God SAID that there was ONE LAW FOR THE NATIVE BORN and the STRANGER GRAFTED IN. The law was NOT GIVEN TO THE JEWS (only).....but, ALL ISRAEL.
We then noticed that Cain knew there was a death penalty for murder. We noticed that God killed the first creature and that was used as an illustration of our Blessed Messiah's sacrifice and death on our behalf. We noticed that God brought 7 pairs of CLEAN ANIMALS to Noah....and only one pair OF UNCLEAN ANIMALS. We noticed that ABRAHAM KEPT commandments, statutes, and judgements. It became quite apparent from all this, that God gave Adam and Eve ORAL INSTRUCTIONS THAT WERE HANDED DOWN. Really, that is the only way that Sodom and sinners could be condemned. They KNEW what sin was. They CHOSE to do their own thing and deny their Creator. Even the story of the flood....the violence against the animals...against people. They KNEW WHAT THEY DID WAS WRONG....or it wouldn't have been a righteous judgement from our God.
We noticed that GOD TOLD US FROM THE BEGINNING that the curse would be poured out in the LATTER DAYS....for disobedience to His law/Torah/instructions. We noticed that Revelation 15:3 gave the detail that THE SAINTS ARE SINGING THE SONG OF MOSES.....the law....and that they also SANG THE SONG OF THE LAMB....or the testimony of Jesus.
When we shared all this with the 7th Day Church, they rejected God's Feasts, only keeping the Sabbath and a Passover service.
So....., after a 'Judaizing' sermon was given and we were 'forced' to leave...., we continued to worship and study on our own.
ALL THIS....WITHOUT ONE TH-cam VIDEO TEACHING US 'Hebrew Roots' religion. ALL THIS....WITHOUT ONE PERSON COMING TO US and contaminating us with that dangerous CULT mentality of 'Hebrew Roots.'
We now know...especially as the tide of mainstream Church REJECTS GOD'S LAW....and loves to put each command or instruction in a particular box....so that it may be MARGINALIZED and rejected.....that the mainstream Church will continue to verbally persecute those COMING OUT of lukewarm Christianity, in favor of "EVERY WORD THAT PROCEEDS FROM THE MOUTH OF GOD".....until....the flood of words from a harlot Church.....actually are responsible for the persecution of the saints. Revelation 12. Notice in chapter 11 of Revelation, that they GIVE GIFTS AND MAKE MERRY after shutting up those terrible 'kill-joys' of what??? ....a holiday season??? Perhaps.
Examine what I say here. Test it. I am bold, because my God has given me dreams.
HE WILL FIGHT HIS CAUSE. He will bring all people to understand His purpose.
It would behoove Christians and all believers to examine carefully what those people are teaching that are coming out of the mainstream Church. We are not in a cult. We have no leader except YHWH God Almighty and our Beloved Yahshua/Jesus!
As for us personally, we never even heard of 'Hebrew Roots' until we were long on the path to obedience.
And, after beginning to keep the 7th Day Sabbath, not buying or selling, not cooking or working....we have had our faith GROW IN LEAPS AND BOUNDS....We have begun to UNDERSTAND SCRIPTURE like never before.
The ENTIRE BIBLE is PROPHECY. Our omniscient God gave us 'types,' 'symbolism,' 'playbooks' through the stories.
Notice Samson....in the Book of Judges....He had '7 locks of hair.' Hair on a Nazarite represents the 'branches.' Yahshua came from Nazareth. Netzer means branch. Samson loses his strength....when? When his 'hair' or 'branches' are SHORN/CUT OFF. Samson was a 'dirty' Nazarite. Most don't even notice that he ate honey from a corpse. That was UNCLEAN. And, he gave of it to his family. Etc., etc., etc. Start noticing what our God has given us!!! Look at the Song of Deborah. It is prophecy. Look at Daniel 7:25....It's the BAD GUY THAT CHANGES GOD'S LAW....Or, seeks to. Because NOBODY can change any jot or tittle from my God's law...UNTIL HE SAYS SO. At Jesus/Yahshua's death, GOD HIMSELF CHANGED the priesthood system, when He split the veil from the top to the bottom. There will no more ever be an earthly Levitical priesthood that is sanctioned by YHWH God. The priesthood went BACK TO THE PEOPLE....of the marriage covenant. See the unfolding of Mt. Sinai and how THE PEOPLE AGREED TO OBEY AND KEEP THE COVENANT. This is the marriage covenant. It requires 2 parties.
So much symbolism. So much that our God has given to us.
And, what do we do? We seek to ELEVATE OURSELVES....and talk about another group of people.....as if we ourselves, and all of mainstream Christianity with it's MANY DENOMINATIONS....and Church SPLITS....because of interpretation or just plain ol' lukewarm pushing out the ON FIRE believers.
And, of course....the word, "CULT" will do it. That'll scare everyone plain out of their senses. That'll keep the believers from even LOOKING at WHY these LATTER DAYS SAINTS are leaving the LUKEWARM CHURCH. That'll keep believers observing the 'Venerable Day of the Sun'....and there'll be NO GUILT in keeping a mock 'Saturnalia' each year....and just put another name/label on 'Ishtar/Easter' and call it 'Resurrection Day.' That'll fix it.
Ever notice that God NEVER CHASTISES HIS PEOPLE FOR 'KEEPING' HIS LAW OR COMMANDMENTS????
But, He does say, Matthew 7:23,
"And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who PRACTICE LAWLESSNESS!’"
For true seekers, look up what GOD SAYS is LIGHT, THE LAMP, SIN, and so many other pertinent understandings coming out of the New Testament. And, that reminds me, read Jeremiah 31 again. The whole purpose of the soft heart of flesh is so that we will OBEY HIM. And, Acts 5:32, we are told that the HOLY SPIRIT IS GIVEN TO THOSE WHO 'OBEY.' Oh, and Acts 15, notice that the reason only a couple of things were mentioned for new believers to do....was BECAUSE.....they would have MOSES PREACHED....i.e. they would 'learn the law' as they grew as believers....just like we do today in Church. We let people GROW in understanding and if they are sincere, the Holy Spirit will lead them as they learn what God expects.
*Caps for emphasis only.
Love it! There may be a "trendy" side happening in Christianity with Hebrew roots but most don't know there are any have been many Christians who follow Whole Bible and don't eat certain foods worship on Sabbath and don't follow pagan traditions like mainstream does.... Thank you for your testimony. It's eerks me when I see mainstream Christianity continuously following deceitful pagan traditions. I came to Christ from Paganism witchcraft and I cannot in good faith and heart celebrate those pagan holidays onto Christ- it's the golden calf it's the whole reason for Hanukah cleaning out the Temple of pagan traditions how awesome is God? Nothing knew under the sun. We need a rededication of Christianity for sure... Revelation even says those who don't abide in his law but claims to know him will be thrown in the fiery pit ...
Salvation was payed for through Yeshua on the cross. Obedience to God’s instructions is for our rewards.
“How fortunate are those who wash their robes, so that they may have the right to the Tree of Life and may enter through the gates into the city.”
The Revelation 22:14 TLV
It also shows a faith that is good.
“So also faith, if it does not have works, is dead by itself. But someone will say, “You have faith and I have works.” Show me your faith without works and I will show you faith by my works.”
Jacob (James) 2:17-18 TLV
Acts peter great sheet
Also christ rested on sabbath.
He rose on Sunday.
Sunday was the service day since near the beginning.
Pual says don't pass judgment weather u observe the days or not.
The o.t. is valuable but it is not christs covenent.😊
Thank you for sharing. May YHVH keep you and bless you in Jesus name amen 🙏🏾 ps : shoutout to aroodawekening
I don’t get it, should Christian’s follow the 613 Jewish commandments ? What about Christ s sacrifice ? Can we not celebrate Mother’s Day, or Christmas ?
I actually LOVE Torah! Not necessarily because I think that I have to keep commandments to be saved, but because I want to keep commandments because I love Jesus!! Without understanding the Feast days & Shmita cycles, you WILL NOT understand eschatology & particularly the Book of Revelation!! I understand scripture much better now that I practice Torah & Hebrew Roots!!♡
Colossians 2:16
@annchovey2089 Col 2:16 doesn't mean the Messiah is an orphaned greco-roman Son as the church has taught...(all the church is the same, the difference is how, when and which false gods they worship). Col 2:15 say very clear that Jesus is "the image of the invisible God, the Fistborn of all creation"; two separate Persons. Christianity uses selected verses, very conveniently, to support their sistematic doctrines. The problem with systematic is that if one part of the system falls, the whole system falls too, and becomes unreliable. If Jesus is the Firstborn of the invisible God that means He was begotten by a higher not created being. Col 1: 3 "we give thanks to God, the FATHER of our Lord Jesus Christ, praying always...." The notion of Jesus being God is unsustainable, since the two Persons appears separated in the whole so called by the church New Testament. The letter cited was address to the Colossian believers not to us, although it serves us to understand God's salvation plan through Jesus; opposed to the letter to the Corinthians where Paul had to start from scratch.
@@tomashernandez5640 your response has nothing to do with the scripture referenced.
Exactly!! Evangelical pastors are terrified of HRM not bc it's dangerous(while some sects of it are also not Biblical but instead are built on the Talmud which is as much nonsense to followers of Christ as Catholic traditions are) but bc if Christians were doing what God called them to do and read for themselves, the whole Bible, they would see the truth too and then hold them to account. Just like just before the Protestant Reformation there was shaming and fear-mongering and threats to those who wanted to read the Word for themselves, now-a-days we have grown so lazy as a culture of Christians that we know nothing of scripture and it's meaning or relevance, and in an ironic twist we depend solely on what we hear even when we don't have to. I say this with repentance bc I was one of them. people would be shocked to know that DL Moody was a strong believer that Torah and Sabbath and the 10 commandments mattered. His original writings show it but shortly after his death the evangelical Pauline machine changed his work and rewrote the belief of his colleges. Even Martin Luther is on record for having issues with Paul as well as many early American pastors, theologians and Presidents(Thomas Jefferson and Adams esp). I didn't find or join the HRM and I care nothing for those labels, but I did start reading the OT like it matters to God bc it does and He has blessed me so much in understanding of how it all fits together like you said with the feasts and festivals and how Jesus is the complete fulfillment of those set up thousands of years earlier. It is so faith building. You can not say God spent so much time(thousands of years) setting up and teaching His people what it means to be obedient and then send His son to die bc it was that important but then the moment He dies and rises none of those laws of obedience are important to God anymore...that's literally insanity bc God doesn't change.His son didn't die for something that didn't matter. His son said it matters so much that nothing in the law will change until He returns. He was the sacrifice, not the "ignore everything that came before" messenger. We are no longer bound to the consequence of sin through Christ blood but we are still bound to obey God's law out of love and born out of our faith. What on Earth do people think sin is? Jesus said to love God is to obey his commands and His commands are clear. Sabbath is one of those commands and how do we find out what Sabbath means- from God not from poorly constructed arguments from a confusing Paul. Listen to the men who knew and walked with Christ. Paul didn't come on the scene for almost 10 years after Christ resurrected. For people who can't discern and read I understand this is overwhelming and so I encourage you to pray about that overwhelm and trust that God will help you. Finding a site like Jesus' Words Only is helpful for scriptural and historical context and something like the Bible recap to go along with your OT readings will really help too. Like you said, I understand the prophecies so much better now and why Jesus' words were enough. Some people are going to meet Jesus with a lot of Paul's words that got twisted by people unknowingly doing the work of the enemy. I'm not saying Paul is the bad guy here but I am saying that people have been using Paul's confusing style of communication(Peter's words not mine) to convolute and degrade the Word of God. Once you see it you can't unsee it. Some people will go to their graves defending modern interpretations of Paul's easy living message without ever even fact checking it against our actual Messiah. It's sad and it hits me to my core that I was there myself in ignorance.
@@annchovey2089 misuse of scripture.
You mentioned that you believe in the 10 commandments, that is great that you actually believe the Word of God. So do you keep the Sabbath the 4 commandment? Show me one verse where Jesus or the Father said the Law, the Word God has been done away with.
Hebrew roots movement, Sacred Name, or Messianic Judism does not deny salvation by grace nor salvation through the blood of Jesus/Yahshua.
They don’t, but they add to the Gospel.
Many do many openly proclaim torah is the gospel and pur righteousness. They say one saved by grace by Christ but then must keep torah for righteousness and that its torah plus Jesus
@@mamimalista7924 That is only true if you're judging someone's religion by the metric of what _you_ think the gospel is.
@@mamimalista7924 wrong we add nothing to the Gospel.
@@freedominchrist444 I'm not saved because I keep the Law, I keep the Law because I AM saved
My friend is into the Hebrew roots movement. She observes all the Jewish holidays and feasts. She explained it to me that she feels it’s important to do as Jesus and the disciples would have actually lived. She agrees that we don’t have to follow the Old Testament law but it’s in honor of Jesus.
It's an error I hope the Lord rescues them
So does she call it Hebrew roots? It seems from what you wrote she isn't actually Hebrew roots but her conscience is to celebrate the biblical feasts 🤔
I have a friend who does the same. Says practicing Hebrew law doesn't determine her salvation, but she practices because it brings her closer to God. My only problem with that is the confusion of the gospel to her young daughter. They love with her mother who does not follow Torah , and that's extremely confusing for the girl. She sees her Grama as wrong or sinful or even evil because she eats bacon or celebrates Easter and Christmas.
For the same reason Christians say that committing adultery or being gay is a sin (which Jesus and Paul say in the Gospel because they followed the Torah) is the same reason people who follow the Torah today (which means instructions not laws) believe following pagan holidays is wrong. He says in Deuteronomy:
“You must not worship the Lord your God the way other nations worship their gods.”
-Deuteronomy 12:31
If He is the same God today as yesterday and Jesus himself followed the Torah and the feasts , why is it okay for us to pick and choose what we want to follow?
God loves us and knows that when we open up ourselves to paganism, it can have all sorts of spiritual consequences. Do you know that people are more likely to commit suicide on Christmas? Did you know that Easter is based or of sex goddess who was a bunny and had eggs? It also keeps us from understanding that part of Jesus fulfilling the scripture was through his birth on the feasts of tabernacles (coming up soon and is so much fun!)
The same thing with bacon. He says not to eat bacon to the Israelites because God created all living things and pigs will eat anything and they don’t have the additional stomachs like other animals to digest which make pork very bad for us!
I agree it’s not right to judge and many of these people (which include me) follow the Torah because I trust God knows best and simply want others to know the truth which is His truth.
Christmas is about Christ’s birth. Easter is about His death and resurrection. They are NOT pagan celebrations- we make them about Jesus!
To the law and to the testimony, if they speak not according to this word, it is because there is no light in them.
And that is most of Christianity
At 5 mins 4 sec he said he thinks he should obey the 10 commandments. However, he pitched #4 out the door, unless he keeps the Sabbath Holy.
Jesus said, if you love me, keep my commandments. To what was He referring?
THE LAW
do you follow the law that has you doing 3 pilgrimages a year to the Holy Land? Which laws do you follow and which ones do you not follow, how many goats and bulls? Why not the sacrifices it was part of the law? Where is the guidance on which laws you DO and which ones you all ignore? man made....now if you are here to say its the 10 commandments and the TWO JESUS emphasized then we are on the same page.
To the jews. He came to the lost sheep of the house of Isreal. The jews rejected him 3 times then God the farther calls paul to preach the gospel to the gentiles. The reason why people want to literally follow Jesus is because they do not know how to rightly dividing the word
That was in his earthly ministry. And he hasn't been crucified yet so yes he will say that. And plus he was talking to his jewish people. Because he was Jewish.
Jesus' commandments were to love the Lord your God and to love your neighbor as yourself.
This is why reading the Bible is so important. John 3:16
I'm guessing you jest.🎉
Read the whole book and from the perspective it was written. It’s a continuous story. You can’t build an entire theology on one verse or take things out of context and put a modern western “church” spin on everything. The whole “me, me, me gospel is appalling.
@@pattydaulton4379I agree, but the lost need to here John 3:16.
@@cgfreshmaker yes! It’s a powerful start, just needs follow up. We need to not push “hippie” Jesus and teach that if you say “the prayer”, that that’s it. Teach grace, yes, but also teach forgiveness and repentance. Jesus does love you as you are but His teaching is not to stay as you are. These things have eternal consequences. Your Bible hermeneutical- taking what it says in context is crucial. Teachings that take away or add to it detrimental.
@@pattydaulton4379of course.
Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples, “The scribes and the Pharisees sit on Moses’ seat, so do and observe whatever they tell you, but not the works they do. For they preach, but do not practice.” Matthew 23:1-3
If the Law was nailed to the cross then why would Jesus tell His followers to do and observe everything the scribes and Pharisees were preaching from the seat of Moses? Do you know what was being read from the seat of Moses? The Torah. Jesus Himself wanted us to continue doing and observing everything that was being read from the Torah. If not, then He would have told His followers to completely disregard everything the scribes and Pharisees were preaching. Instead, He said to do and observe what they were preaching but disregard their actions because they weren’t practicing what they were preaching. They were preaching Torah yet adding extra things onto it (which is where the Talmud comes from). The Bible says we are to walk as Jesus walked. How did he walk? He kept all of God’s commandments. He kept the Torah.
“Not everyone who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ will enter the kingdom of heaven, but the one who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you workers of lawlessness.’” Matthew 7:21-23
“And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments. Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him, but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the love of God is perfected. By this we may know that we are in him: whoever says he abides in him ought to walk in the same way in which he walked.” 1 John 2:3-6
We have a corrupt NT it was written originally in Hebrew not Greek the Greek's changed much for instance They replaced Him with they Yeshua was saying obey Moses. In the true Gospels Yeshua was never called jesus or Christ but the name His Father said Yeshua. His disciples were never called Christian but messianic
@@195409ify It was not written in Hebrew originally. There is no proof of that. We do have it written in Aramaic (Peshitta) and other languages, but the original was written in Ancient Greek, as most of the ancient world was fluent in multiple languages and there were many Gentiles who lived in Judea. There is evidence the ancient Jews knew Ancient Greek. Hebrew was even less commonly spoken during that time.. Aramaic and Greek became the common language for the Jews a few centuries before the first century A.D. This you can research and find from many biblical scholars; also research the Hellenist movement that occurred in the 3rd century BC, when the Greek Septuagint began to be written. I’ve looked into this intensely. There is no reason to distrust the New Testament, especially with the amount of manuscripts we have on it and different witnesses written in different languages yet all of it has the same content.
@@YY-jv4uuwhy God gave a law that is impossible to keep? Law = Torah = guidance
@@shayalynn at the Royal Library of Britain they have an original copy of the Book of Revelation in Hebrew. The Vatican also has thousands of copies of the gospel in Hebrew. Check Nehemiah Gordon work, he’s a scholar… pls the Romans have records of using the Hebrew Matthew to compare back in the day. It’s 2024 the Lord is reveling what’s hidden
@YY-jv4uu I'm not saved because I keep the Law, I keep the Law because I AM saved !
This feels like a hit piece on CNN. Why don’t you bring someone on who is of this denomination for a discussion rather than behave like this.
Because they don’t like being interviewed. Lol
I’ve never heard that before. I have seen in person how most Christians don’t like to read the book of first John though
Great episode, Allie. Might I suggest a follow- up episode about Messianic Judaism? My fear is that people may confuse the two. I have witnessed and experienced the negative affects of the Hebrew Roots Movement for many years. However, it's important to recognize that there is a thriving community of Jewish Believers in the States. I live in Israel and a close friend of mine was recently interviewed by Krista Bontrager (Theology Mom). I'm sure she'd love to talk with you as well if you were interested. Many blessings and shalom from Jerusalem.
What I have seen in my research is that most Messianic assemblies are made up of non-jewish believers wanting to be more Jewish. That's kind of the same problem with the Hebrew Roots movement when we emphasized the importance of being Jewish and supporting levitical festivals and Mosaic laws over faith in Jesus Christ.
According to scripture all churches are Messianic churches. There should be no divisions. It matters not what you were before being born again only that we are all one in Christ now.
My condolences
True hebrew roots has hijacked many messianic congregations that are all gentiles that say they must keep mosaic law that it is binding on all believers.
The issue with Christmas being pagan is important because of where its roots stem from. Same with Easter and Sunday.
@@peggyschorn4162 And to those who do real historical research one will find no pagan origins. Pseudo myths not based on actual historical evidence and debunked by scholars is not truth
Jesus himself said:
“Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. 18 For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.”
-Matthew 5:17-23
Heaven and earth have not passed and we are still waiting for Jesus’ second coming so therefore the law and prophets have not gone away.
The feasts are a major part of understanding why Jesus is the Messiah. They were prophetic foreshadows of what has and is to come. I’ll post another comment in more detail.
I understand the confusion with Galatians but either Paul was wrong about the law (which by the way the Torah means instructions, not law, these are Gods ways on how to best live) because nothing he says should conflict with what Jesus said OR we have a wrong misunderstanding, which is the more likely reason.
You have to understand that during this time there was (and still was) very legalistic Jews and rabitical laws that they added on top of the Torah which is also wrong. In Deuteronomy it says:
“Do not add nor subtract to what I have commanded you and do not subtract from it, but keep the commands of the Lord your God that I give you.”
-Deuteronomy 4:12
Paul was talking about not returning to these legalistic and radical laws, not advising the Jewish believers to disregard the Torah.
God gave us these instructions because he loves us and he knows that by keeping them we are spiritually protected and have the opportunity to receive Gods best and stay on.
Amen brother
Jesus is The Fulfillment. He Fulfilled All Types and Shadows. The law pointed towards Jesus. Galatians 3:24
So the Law became our guardian to lead us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
Ephesians 2:15
by abolishing in His flesh the law of commandments and decrees. He did this to create in Himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace
Romans 10:4
For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.
in Christ and not by works of the Law, because by works of the Law no one will be justified.
Galatians 2:16 know that a man is not justified by works of the Law, but by faith in Jesus Christ. So we, too, have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ and not by works of the Law, because by works of the Law no one will be justified.
Galatians 3:25 Now that faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.
Matthew 12:8
For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”
Hebrews 10:1
The Law is only a shadow of the good things to come, not the realities themselves. It can never, by the same sacrifices offered year after year, make perfect those who draw near to worship .
Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses. AMEN! Thank You Lord Jesus Christ" Hashem!
Followers of Lord Jesus Christ, follow the spirit of the law.
Romans 7:6
But now we have been delivered from the law, having died to what we were held by, so that we should serve in the newness of the Spirit and not in the oldness of the letter.
Colossians 2:14
having canceled the debt ascribed to us in the decrees that stood against us. He took it away, nailing it to the cross!
I appreciate the scriptural reference, it’s always important! But I believe there is one major passage by Jesus himself:
17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.
-Matthew 5:17-20
I believe the point you are trying to make is that our righteousness is no longer dependent on us keeping perfectly the instructions given in the Torah (by the way the original translation of Matthew 5:-17 is not law but Torah which means instructions), because Jesus is the Messiah and paid the price for our sins and through him we have forgiveness (if we ask for it) Which is correct,but Jesus never said we could do away with the Torah and the prophets and said NONE of it will go away until heaven and earth disappear and until ALL is accomplished. Heaven and earth are still here and Jesus has not come back for the second time yet!
He even warns about teaching against this saying those will be the least in the Kingdom. Again, not saying you may not enter the Kingdom but it is Gods desire for us to follow His commands because he made us and knows what is best for us. We follow them because we love and trust him. Jesus continues in Matthew 5 to not only reaffirm the instructions in the Torah, regarding murder, adultery, divorce etc but says they are even stricter. (Look at Ten Commandments and instructions from Moses in Leviticus and Deuteronomy)
Every passage you referenced are in the letters which begs the question then, is Paul wrong (nothing Paul says should contradict Jesus) or are we misunderstanding this? Most likely, is our misunderstanding which also can be because of mistranslations.
What Paul most likely was arguing against is the legalism of Pharisees or Sadducees (King James replaced many of these words with the general word Jews which causes a huge misunderstanding) who continued to keep the newest believers thinking their righteousness and eternity was based on them keeping the law rather than understanding that Jesus not only paid for our sins but by resurrecting gave us the Holy Spirit that is our advocate:
But very truly I tell you, it is for your good that I am going away. Unless I go away, the Advocate will not come to you; but if I go, I will send him to you.
John 16:7
Paul and revelations also warns us about:
9Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders 10nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. 11And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God. 12"
1 Corinthians 6: 9-20
Where did Paul get this from? The Torah! The very reason Christian’s are against these things today is because of what Paul and Jesus said which again only reinforces why the Torah and prophets are still relevant and most people don’t realize that they reference these instructions because Jesus knew the word of God perfectly and Paul had previously been an expert in the word.
Christ is THE Fulfillment. Our 'Position' is IN Him. He never commanded the Sabbath for His followers.
The second thing I’ll say is there is this cultural Christian attitude that keeping the Torah is a negative thing when really it’s something that the enemy created confusion in. God is not a condemning God but he does convict us and want us to keep his commandments because he loves us and wants to protect us and experience him fully. By Keeping the Torah and understanding the prophetic shadow pictures of the feasts it has answered so many of my questions and has only deepened my love, admiration, trust, and understanding of God like never before. I am in total awe of him ❤
Allie Beth needs to invite someone onto the show who disagrees with her theology/soteriology. I would LOVE to see her give Dr. Leighton Flowers the opportunity to make his case against Calvinism.
Please don't tell me a sane and lovely person like Allie Beth Stuckey is a calvinist?! 🤭🤔
@@gulanhem9495yes she is, but she is (more importantly) a sister in Christ.
Calvinism is also a cult and the leader is Calvin. Pretty obvious that one…
@@oilofgladness3474 straw man. Are Lutherans a cult? Wesleyans?
@@gulanhem9495 you should see her video where she tries to explain Calvinism to Ben Shapiro. 😬
@Allie Beth Stuckey if you're interested in having a torah teacher and practitioner on for an interview, I can articulate my faith and the difference between Jewish traditions and the law of God. Bless you.
Is it Shawn?
I would love to see this!
Just so you know, Allie, KingdomInContext (Sean Griffin) teaches heretical beliefs, such as Christ not being YHWH, saying that atonement comes from him sacrificing animals in heaven, and that “Enoch,” Jubilees, and many other extra books are Scripture. There are some sound people you could have on who disagree on this subject, but Sean is not one of them.
Please know that KIC is a terrible representative (heresy/conspiracy theory/SNO?) for some of the people who keep Gods laws. He does represent a certain sect of HRM people though but please don’t lump everyone in his camp. That would be a huge mistake.
@@XavierPutnamthank you
In John 15:9-10 “As the Father loved Me, I also have loved you; abide in My love. If you keep My commandments, you will abide in My love, just as I have kept My Father’s commandments and abide in His love.”
Following the feast days, trying to follow the law/commandments of God, sabbath, and choosing to eat clean are not done because I believe it will save me (Jesus Christ/Yeshua is the only way). I try to follow God in this way to show love to Him, because it is a relationship. I am a Christian who believes it is important to follow the example of Christ. I am not ashamed of the name of Jesus (because to invalidate his name would also mean that the name I called to to save me is invalid and call into question my salvation). I use both Yeshua and Jesus. I believe that to use the fringe of a movement to paint all Torah observant or Hebrew roots believers is wrong.
Agree! ❤
Its not fringe. I spent 18 yrs in the movement and still know many people in it. Tons of mainstream teachers in movement teaching another gospel that the torah is righteousness and sanctifies that torah still binding. That the new covenant is not new just mosaic law renewed. Much of the movement rejects the deity of Christ and the trinity and embraces kabbalah Jewish mysticism.
@@freedominchrist444but again that’s bad actors in a very important call of God to return to his word. You can’t completely throw out what God is trying to do when that’s just Satan trying to destroy the kingdom and wanting to create confusion from people from knowing the truth.
I agree, as well. I'm disappointed that to date, Allie Beth has chosen to interview outsiders/critics/skeptics to understand and explain Hebrew Roots. Why not interview 119 ministries or someone else who had a large and well -known platform promoting the keeping of the biblical festivals and the Sabbath?
Agreed. I choose to obey God's commands out of love and respect. I'm not saved by my obedience. I'm so grateful for the gift He has given us by of Jesus, our Messiah. I made this choice simply by reading the Bible. I had never heard of anyone obeying Torah before I picked up the Bible and asked God to guide me to truth. We don't meet with a TO fellowship on Sabbath. We worship God as a family, and we rest at home. We observe His feasts with others, because He has asked us to and because we love Him. We refuse unclean meats because He knows His creation better than we do.
When I stopped listening to others teachings on the Bible and really started listening to God while actually reading it for myself... it opened up. I've realized that these instructions lead to health and happiness. Most importantly, they teach us how to love God and others.
In reference to 'Saturday' and 'Sunday,' have y'all studied historical calendars?
Sad that they would select the most extreme in the movement and then dismiss all of it.
my thoughts too
That's what they call a "straw man"---they build a "straw man" and knock it down. Its also called "throwing the baby out with the bathwater"---just like they do with Pentecostalism. Some of its bad--therefore, all of its bad, and all of it needs to be avoided.
The book of acts said they meet on the first day of the week - Sunday. If you want to rest on Saturday that’s your personal conviction, but it shouldn’t be pushed on others, let alone to discourage them from doing what the disciples did. I am grateful I came out of Hebrew roots.
@@kelleybrown9776 that passage is not saying they changed the sabbath. Think about this: the same God who said the seventh day is holy also said not to change his word. So where did people get the authority to decide what is holy and what isn’t? Meeting on Sunday doesn’t make Sunday the new sabbath (as I’ve heard it said). There is no instruction against meeting on an additional day. The sabbath is still the sabbath. Why do we assume that this law of God changed? Or any others, for that matter?
Also, what do you make of Jesus saying that nothing of his father’s law going away until heaven and earth pass away? 🤷🏽♀️
on saturday night when the sun goes down, the first day of the week begins. So after keeping Shabbat the previous evening and all day, it makes sense that they would gather after sundown on a Saturday night. PLUS, just because they met on the first day of the week doesn't change the Sabbath from Saturday to Sunday. NOWHERE in scripture does it say the Sabbath was changed because of when people were meeting.
@@kelleybrown9776
FYI...headcovering isnt a Hebrew roots issue. Or a Torah issue. It is a NT teaching from Paul, included in a chaprer which shows multiple traditions that express the gospel among believers and to the world.
Lots of research....He wants obedience not sacrifice... the feasts are so much fun, food and worship...many are messianic jews that worship in spirit and truth not legalism....many also attend church on Sunday as well as Torah service on Saturday ...Torah is the whole Bible...Jesus ,Yeshua ,Everlasting Father...the living God...blessings..
I have learned so much about God's plans by learning about and observing His feasts. I'm curious how others who know their Bible can call them Jewish feasts when God clearly identified them as His before the house of Judah was set apart from the other houses and became the Jews. If they're God's feasts... shouldn't all of God's people keep them? They haven't all been fulfilled. We're now looking forward to the Day of Trumpets... and I don't mean the feast day, I mean the day that Jesus comes at the sound of trumpet.
@karis3647 exactly!
Hi Allie, thank you for the discussion! I was raised in the Church of Christ (my husband was raised Catholic) and now our family is whole Bible believers or what you would call Torah Observant/Hebrew Roots. This was as a result of reading scripture for ourselves and allowing the scriptures to interpret themselves. At the time (9 years ago) no one believed like we did so we weren’t following a preacher or anything like that. We just read and responded. In short, we do not believe that our works/Torah can save us. Yeshua (this is how we have come to know Him as, but would NEVER condemn others for calling Him Jesus) is the only way to salvation. As a response to being brought back into covenant with God, we CHOOSE to adhere to the marriage vows (ketubah) by keeping (guarding) His (those He takes ownership of) commands and Feasts. We are in a marriage covenant with Yahweh and through His commands, statutes, and Feasts we come to understand the Father’s character, and intent towards His children. I can say that I am deeply in love with Him and who He is. It hurts me that it took sending His son to die for us to fully understand who He’s always been, but He knew from the beginning of time that Messiah would be needed for us to fully know. Being on this walk, I can say that I’m so grateful to see the connection between new and old whereas before I did not have the eyes to see.
Also, I can very much echo the concerns that you all shared. There is no centralization for what we all believe and it hurts me when brothers and sisters condemn because they don’t believe as we do. Division is something that concerns my family and I and we do our best to stay away from as it’s pretty bad in this walk. Thanks again!
May Abba bless you and keep you!
Nowhere in the Bible does it say that the Sabbath was changed to Sunday. That change came from the Catholic church who openly admits it. Simple research on the topic of Sunday being declared the Sabbath by the Catholic church/the Pope will show you that. I would love to hear how you believe in keeping the 10 Commandments but not the 4th. And how Jesus resurrecting on a Sunday means it is the Sabbath.
The Sabbath has always been Saturday. We go to church on Sunday because that is the day of Resurrection. Christ fulfilled the Sabbath with the cross we now rest in Him and His works, not ours.
@@annchovey2089That's a dumb reason to switch the day... where does the Bible say to switch?
The Sabbath will always be on Saturday. Also, Jesus was resurrected on First Fruits. Need to understand Feast Days to fully understand.
So pagan "sanctified" holidays are better than God's feasts...? God is no liar. Man is. Throwing aside all of man's teachings in favor of following the Bible does not mean you are in a cult.
That comes with the assumption that Christian holidays are sanctified pagan ones. They’re not. They’re to celebrate Christ’s birth. And resurrection. And others.
Agreed. Unfortunately there are misunderstandings of those who observe the appointed times of Yahweh and do what the Father has instructed us to do to honor Him. I don't see anything wrong with keeping the Sabbath and Feasts. We are called to do great works to the glory of Yahweh because when we abide in Him, the Holy Spirit is working in us to sanctify us from our fleshly ways. We follow Yahweh's instructions to honor Him because we ate saved.
@@GratiaPrima_You're so misled. I'm sorry. Christmas was stolen from the God of the Sun by the corrupt Catholic Church. They are probably one of the largest contributes to deception and turning people away from Christ.
Easter is based on Ishtar. Many cultures that celebrated it would purposely procreate as much as possible to have infants to sacrifice.
You clearly haven't done your research but blindly trust random people at church or whatever than to trust in the Lord and the word of God.
Jesus calls us to continue following Ten Commandments....as much as we can.
There is nothing against the holy days. But against old customs such as the way they dresses and social customs that applied value for the times in context...
How many versions of the Bible do you study? How many translations? One that was written 200 years ago? That's not very long ago...and there are quite a few mistranslations between many versions, even the KJV.
There is importance to many of these where context is required to properly define the message. It's another mystery why this would happen. But what makes sense to you? To disregard this as a saint, or to look into this and start paying attention and growing your faith?
You must keep the sword of the spirit polished and sharp. God gives us tools and it's up to us to disregard them or to waste them.
One example is the commandment not to kill; it's "murder" specifically...which in context to Hebrew was a term of unjust killing VS killing to eat an animal, or to sacrifice one (which the Gospel says is no longer required, due to the sacrifice of Jesus..) , could kill out of self defense, of course God ordered the Hebrews to kill those that had betrayed His repeatedly and needed to be removed from the Earth at that time. Another difference- I don't believe God would ask anyone to do that today. But we are still allowed to eat meat, allowed to defend ourselves and our families.
The laws of justice they used to have to trace down and kill a murderer rapist etc are also no longer necessarily.
But keep in mind we are told in the Gospel to forgive without being foolish. We should forgive endlessly if possible, but not to keep poor company. If people refuse to heed warnings and to change harmful ways we are actually told to have wisdom and discernment and to stay away from such people if they repeatedly refuse reason.
Jesus has two cheeks on his face. That's what the "turn the other cheek" was likely alluding to.
We are called to judge one another as Christians as well as others, but to be more gentle of people that do not claim to know the Lord for they are without the tools we gain as Christians. We are simply told not to be hypocritical when we do judge.
We will all be judged before God. Forgiveness does not equate to a lack of consequence.
I pray that you seek the truth. ❤
@@barbaraclaudio2921❤Amen sister! 💞🙏✨🕊️ I look forward to participating in Yom Teruah with my Christian and Messianic brothers and sisters! 🎉
@@GratiaPrima_ The origins are pagan. It's blasphemy to get an evil practice, wrap it up in Jesus themed wrapping paper, and say VIOLA it's now sanctified. I can now offer this filth up to God.
Another reason for feasts is that God commanded us to observe them. He did not command us to observe easter and Christmas.
As someone who was absolutely captivated and caught up in the Hebrew Roots movement for almost a decade, I applaud y’all for taking this topic head on and exposing the generalities of the movement as a whole. There’s nothing wrong with having a reverence for these Hebrew rooted festivals and customs but there was a very heavy emphasis by a large group of people that those who did not follow the movement would be punished for it. Looking back there was such a bondage created by the strict observance to Mosaic and even Talmud laws and it traces back to a misunderstanding of the New Testament and our freedom in Christ’s fulfillment of the law. Had I been more versed on the New Testament at the time, i would’ve been more cautious in my following of the Hebrew roots movement.
Whatever you just described is not Hebrew Roots.
@@rotaryenginepete sure thing 🤣
Anyone still under the law should be judged by the whole law@rotaryenginepete
So you are in the old greek roots movement which continues to defile HIS children?
Following Torah is the truth it is Gods perfect design and plan for our lives!!! Ever wondered what his will is….. it’s in the Old Testament that is how to stay on Gods road for your life read your Bible and let the Lord lead you. We are only required to give our best not be perfect. The Torah was to show we need a savior now we have Torah to show obedience with our savior and he makes our way perfect through his perfect sacrifice!!!!! It’s so beautiful ! You can’t have the father (Old Testament) with out the son(New Testament) or the son with out the father both work together!
Yeshua is Jesus and I'm curious to know how it contradicts the Gospel.
Jesus' name is similar to Joshua, it's actually not an issue of Roman.
I have done a ton of research into learning more about the "Christian" holiday like Christmas...that was chosen by the CATHOLIC church that took the day of the Sun God to celebrate the son of God when in reality there's a ton of evidence for Jesus' birthday being during the festival of Sukkot. There is also a lot more symbolism following that. The Bible has much power not only in the literal translations but also the obvious symbolic patterns.
I'd be very wary of false teachers and that's what this smells of. I look forward to changing my comment if this episode gives what appears to be trustworthy...
Right away I'd like to point out Judaism is not Christianity. Many of the laws of the Torah are what are to be upheld as Christians as Jesus said as much. But also there are of course things like having certain clothing and social customs that don't uphold considering the Gospel.
Celebrating the holy days is VERY Christian as well. The Holy Days are different than holidays such as Hannakah that is fun to celebrate as it has Biblical roots- but is not a holy day.
I do not feel I am required to celebrate holy days (nor uphold holy days of reverence) but I do so with joy as a Christian. Just as Messianic Jews do so. There's a difference.
If you are Christian and still celebrate "Easter" (Ishtar), Christmas, HALLOWEEN.... it's time to get introspective and decide if you truly wish to study and folkoe the Gospel in truth or if you are just trying to play a superficial role.
I do think there are ways to celebrate some of these holidays in ways that are low key and for nostalgia, and to honor the beauty created by Hod in the seasons, his messages of giving, etc. But they are NOT holy days and are not to be venerated
Luke warm followers are in dire need of decisiveness. And to celebrate these consumerist and Catholic holidays but reject holidays in the Bible- pretty hypocritical. Plank in the eye for sure.
❤ God bless, may you seek the truth (Jesus). The way is straight and narrow friends.
Beautiful. Very well said.
Indeed Sir. They got a whole lot wrong in this video. Shameful
Well stated. In my opinion it is unwise to embrace what culture has created over time through tradition rather than what Yahweh has gifted us with from the start. He set apart His holy days because we are to be a set apart people.
Easter has nothing to do with Ishtar. Christmas has nothing to do with Sol Invictus, which in all likelihood copied Christmas and the celebration of the birth.
Absolutely. You are spot on. Do we need to follow Jewish customs from the Old Testament? No. But if Jesus came back to earth in the flesh right now, He certainly would be. Nothing wrong with following those customs if it makes you feel closer to Him.
You guys need to actually interview a person who keeps Torah and follows Yeshua as men and women who understand that they have been grafted into the commonwealth of Israel. It's never been about earning salvation through keeping Torah, not even in ancient Israel. Salvation was given to them (Exodus from slavery in Egypt through the blood of the lamb on the doorposts and crossing the red sea) and then they were given the Torah to live by. Christianity today is so far removed from what it originally was that you can't even recognize it. Torah observance is growing because the Spirit of Holiness is calling the children of God back to His ways and they are obeying His voice. We might not have it all figured out and we certainly don't agree on everything, but we do agree on the fact that we're saved by grace through the completed work by Yeshua on the cross and we obey Him (work out our own salvation with fear and trembling) by keeping His commandments as written in the Scripture, which Paul himself said is profitable for correction, reproof and instruction in righteousness. Don't try to take that away, because you're working with the enemy of the saints by doing so. Don't try to teach against the very Word of God, or else you will find yourself an enemy of Him, which you do not want. Yeshua himself said that those who say to Him, "Lord, Lord, did we not do great works in Your name?", He will say to them, depart from me, I never knew you, you who practice lawlessness. Sin is transgression of the law according to 1 John 3:4.
Amen
I’m with you
Well said brother!
Well said brother
Returning to the Hebraic roots is a big danger, because most people aren't well versed and will without knowing deny early hebraic Christian roots in order to embrace pre-Christ traditions or even rabbinic traditions.
I agree, modern american Christianity doesn't look biblical. However in 2 000 years traditions evolve... If you wanna get closer to the traditions and culture of that time, then it is a better idea to look into Chaldeans, Melkites, Antiochean Orthodox, and even Copts, rather than adopting the old laws or rabbinic nonsense.
😂 these Christians won’t debate anyone who has true Hebrew/Jewish faith
There's way too many strawman arguments being made. If you want to reach those like us, you should hold the accurate position, and refute that. The statement about those who "believe one law applies to Jew & Gentile" is a great example - that's what the Bible says:
(Passover, Tabernacles)
Exodus 12:49 - "One law shall be to him that is homeborn, and unto the *stranger that sojourneth* among you."
Exodus 12:19 - "For whoever eats what is leavened, that person-*whether a stranger or a citizen of the country*-shall be cut off from the community of Israel."
1 Corinthians 5:8 - "Let us *therefore celebrate the festival* (Passover), not with the old leaven, the leaven of malice and evil, but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth."
(Sabbath)
Exodus 20:10 - "Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is a sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your male or female servant, nor your animals, *nor any foreigner residing in your towns."*
Mark 2:27 - "Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for MAN (not just Jews), not man for the Sabbath."
Exodus 31:17 - "It will be a sign between me and the Israelites forever, for in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, and on the seventh day he rested and was refreshed."
Genesis 2:3 - "God blessed the 7th day and made it holy."
(Sacrifices)
Leviticus 17:8-9 "And you shall say to them, 'Any one of the house of Israel, or *of the strangers who sojourn among them,* who offers a burnt offering or sacrifice and does not bring it to the entrance of the tent of meeting to offer it to the LORD, that man shall be cut off from his people.'"
Leviticus 22:18 - "Speak to Aaron and his sons and all the people of Israel and say to them, When any one of the house of Israel or *of the sojourners in Israel* presents a burnt offering as his offering, for any of their vows or freewill offerings that they offer to the LORD."
(All Laws In General)
Numbers 15:15-16 - "For the assembly, there shall be one statute for you *and for the stranger who sojourns with you,* a statute forever throughout your generations. You *and the sojourner shall be alike before the LORD.* One law and one rule shall be for you *and for the stranger* who sojourns with you."
Leviticus 24:22 - "You shall have the same rule *for the sojourner* and for the native, for I am the LORD your God."
Ezekiel 47:22 - "You shall allot it as an inheritance for yourselves *and for the sojourners who reside among you* and have had children among you. They shall be to you as native-born children of Israel. With you, *they shall be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel.*"
Much more could be said, like about the wildness of constantly putting emphasis upon how Torah observers don't see each thing the same (that's the same for all 40,000+ Christian denominations), like sacred namers who all of us disagree with, falsehoods about what it means that there's no temple or what being unclean even meant (when in fact there is lol - human body - heavenly temple) or just completely misunderstanding the positions for why Holy Days are even a thing for Christians. None of this has to do with salvation, and if there's any law that we should keep that isn't about salvation, it follows even holy days, dietary laws, etc could be included.
I'd like to offer myself up for public or private interview and questions to you and your team for the position that God's law is still applicable for today. Only bringing up people who disagree, while certainly has a place, can too often just be a smear campaign that won't reach anyone; but those who already agree. If you did this for a great echo chamber, you succeeded, if you did this to actually help those who believe it - out of respect I kindly say you failed bad!
They're not JEWISH holy days. They're GOD'S holy days, which are steps in His plan of Salvation:
"Speak to the children of Israel, and say to them: ‘The feasts of the LORD, which you shall proclaim to be holy convocations, these are My feasts." Lev 23:2
Passover, Christ crucified
Unleavened bread - Christ buried
First Fruits - Christ risen
Pentacost - Holy Spirit given
Feast of Trumpets - Jesus's 2nd Coming
Day of Atonement - Day of Judgement
Feast of Tabernacles - Marriage supper of the Lamb, Christ reigns over Earth
8th Day - Eternity with God
@@Smile50123Nope. They're not Jewish holy days. They're God's. I'm just reading His words as written. And He is the same yesterday, today, and forever.
And furthermore, Jews are not the only tribe of Israel. There are a total of 12 tribes.
@@Smile50123 Wrong!! They are not Jewish holy days - they are Yah's feast which he commanded all his people to observe. if you spent any time reading the OT you would not make such an ignorant statement.
@@Smile50123 Sorry you feel it was bold. I do tend to be so, especially where the Word is concerned. To say that one is ignorant is not to say they are without intelligence, just unlearned in that subject. I've been ignorant of subjects before too. My apologies if you took offense, but properly dividing the Word is an important matter and one we are all called to do.
How about we read the Bible for ourselves and let God guide us to His perfect will for us?
I agree with you. And I also think it is important to remind one another of the truth and to purge error and heresy.
@@debblouin I personally believe all denominations to be heresy and in some form of error, if only because “iron sharpens iron”. Cancel Culture is nothing new, the church has been doing it for hundreds, if not thousands, of years, hence we now have hundreds of denominations and the majority have some form of cult likeness or controlling/persuasive influence and so so much idolatry 🤮 and too many of our swords are dull. I will also say, as I learned this lesson, if you are trying to “remind” someone of the truth and they have not read the Bible for themselves, you’re not actually reminding them because they don’t know it to be reminded of it. You’re actually teaching them which the Bible says that God will judge more harshly. In other words, be careful, make sure you are teaching correctly, not according to any doctrine but according to our God, or just tell people to read the Bible for themselves and develop a relationship with their God, He teaches better than any of us anyway.
HE is gathering HIS remnant.
Keep HIS Commandments and not traditions of men.
Usually love your videos, but this one is not an accurate depiction of Hebrew Roots so of course your definition sounds deceptive of believers, if it were true. Sure if it equates anything "needing to do" to earn salvation then yes that would be a worked based cult, but many fellowships uphold that salvation is through faith alone in Christ, and do not preach "you must." Also it's not about "rejecting" western holidays and names, it's about celebrating something better.
It’s really hard to take religious advice from a Christian who celebrates man made holidays instead of the Holy days and Feast days Jesus Himself kept.
Not to mention the Cultish Co-host having the All Seeing Eye 👁 Tattoo in full display on his chest.
Said like a true Pharisee.
What's most frustrating to me is people like you don't understand the importance of context: literary context, historical context, and cultural context. Somehow you believe that keeping the holy days from the old testament are needed because Jesus did it without realizing there is a reason why Jesus did it and later we are told by the Apostles that we no longer have to keep them, especially gentiles. You completely missed the context!
@@gattibeba8841 you do realize Jesus himself, in the New Testament kept the feast and Holy days….? There the Feasts of the Lord, meant to be kept for all your generations. Read your Bible.
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Hi Allie Beth Stuckey. I would love to see you have a conversation with Tim Hegg, Caleb Hegg, and Rob Vanhoff.
Not in regards to some fringe group as the Hebrew Roots, but in respect to Christians keeping God's law. 👍
Have someone with scholarship talk about the pros of keeping His law.
Therein lies the central issue with keeping the Law. It isn’t possible. It has never been possible for anyone but Christ. But, it literally isn’t possible because there is no temple in which the sacrifices can be performed.
@debblouin You obey what is applicable to you. It is possible because it is no longer I who lives but Christ who lives in me. 👍
If the change of Ezekiel 36:26-27 has happened inside of you, then God is the one causing you to obey His rules 👍
@@debblouinJesus could not obey all of the commandments because some did not apply. He could not fulfill the laws about Levitical priests because He is not one. Neither are you, presumably, so don’t worry about them. It is true that He lived a sinless (and thereby indestructible) life so that He could be a priest after the order of Melchizedek. But He taught against Talmud/Mishneh (the oral tradition of the rabbis) who broke Torah by adding to it. Jesus’ yoke is easy and His burden is light. Seek counsel by the Holy Spirit and His word and you will find His commands are not a burden but rather bring light and life.
@@debblouindig deeper. Poor excuse
Bring a Seventh-day Adventist on your show and hear their reason for why they keep Sabbath.
Is Sabbath Keeping Essential to Be a Real Christian? Former SDA Pastor Answers This Question CAnswersTV
watch?v=w0L3rSSL_H8
It’s very easy to find out if your actually curious… there’s dozens of explanations on YT.
@@RandomBoxingGuythe thing is they won’t even allow them to express their views bz they don’t like to give them the freedom to debate their viewpoints
Seventh-day Adventist keep the Sabbath because according to their prophet Ellen G white the Sabbath is the seal of God and Sunday worship will be the mark of the beast. They believe that God will judge us by the the ten commandments, especially the fourth commandment, and they see as the old covenant as eternal, which is in complete contradiction with New testament teaching.
They believe that Jesus is in heaven now judging people in the church according to the ten commandments, especially the fourth commandment.
Ellen G white also taught that eating meat makes you like an animal and hinders your prayers.
Oh, she also said this all came directly from God.
They consider Ellen G white to be the spirit of prophecy that has spoken of in the book of Revelation (which gives her her supposed authority) when it is very clear in the book of Revelation that the spirit of prophecy was something that John and his brothers had in their day, and it was not something to come.
She saw any Christian who does not adhere to adventism as being ultimately part of Babylon.
She also stated that ultimately the sins of all humanity will be placed on Satan before he is cast into hell. Therefore making Satan our ultimate sin bear.
She also taught that atonement was not completed at the cross, and that Jesus continued his atonement work in heaven.
She also taught that basically God had to vindicate his ten commandments to the universe how to prove to Satan that he was a good God.
Ellen G white with a sick and twisted woman who abused the word of God for her own purposes, and led many people astray. She was a tool of Satan, and her followers to this day use a term "present truth" to try to get around the fact that her teaching is directly contradicts New testament scriptures.
If they have a Seventh-Day Adventist on, they should treat them as a cult member, and not as a Christian
Sabbath was changed from Saturday to Sunday since Constantine. The catholic church in their writings emphasized this change. What does the Bible say? Sabbath is Saturday. So as a Christian I'll continue worshipping the day God instituted not the day man changed.
Why does Andrew have the Eye of Horus tattooed on his chest??
I don’t know the man and have never seen him before, but I would wonder if that has to do with his past…unless he could answer a question that would give clarity and he say that it was recent. Otherwise, I got nothin.
The way i see it, he's just advertising who he really is.
The vast majority of Christians have never read the Old Testament in its entirety and it's a shame, especially the five books of Moses, the Torah, which is the Hebrew word that is translated as "law" in the New Testament and the Old testament but it actually best translates as, "instruction", God's instructions for us in keeping His Commandments, which according to Jesus He said, if you love Me, you'll keep My Commandments, especially since He's the One who gave those Holy Commandments in the first place originally to Moses on Mount Sinai with His very Finger and these Feast Day's instructions are explicitly laid out as God's Feasts, not the children of Israel's feasts, not Jewish feasts, but the Feasts of the Most High God, His Feasts and He also States very clearly that they are for an Everlasting Covenant, Exodus 12:14,17 and Exodus 31:16, which means Forever, an Eternal Covenant between Him and His people that choose to follow Him, who Truly desire Fellowship and Relationship with Him as well as all the Nations of the earth who were and still are invited to participate in the Feasts and celebrate to this very day, people whom He calls to be Holy, as He said, because He is Holy, Leviticus 21:8, Exodus 19:6, 1 Peter 1:15-16, which means, set apart and to be different, as these feast days are also called Holy and set apart and very different from other days throughout the year, specifically to rehearse or remind us about the Messiah who Jesus was and is and is yet to be rhe fulfillment of the Feast of Trumpets at His Second Coming. So this is all both rehearsal and remembrance as we commemorate the Feasts and the Holy Convocations throughout the year and contemplate our commitment and promise to follow the Lord's call and mandate to feed the hungry, clothe the naked and visit the orphans and widows in their affliction, as well as those in jail, to not just be hearers of the Word, but also doers of the Word because as the Book of James says, basically in all 5 suggested chapters, that faith without works is dead. We are definitely saved by Grace, not by works, lest anyone should boast, so that we can do good works for God and His Glory, who through the Gift of His Holy Spirit, He has made us able to do good works, for by our fruits shall we be known to be true followers or not of Jesus Christ, even Yeshua Hamashiach, our Savior, Redeemer and Great Healer from all of our sin and selfishness. He is the same yesterday, today and forever and if there truly is nothing new under the sun, as these people quoted tthat scripture in this video, then there is no New Covenant, it is just a fulfillment of the Old Covenant that Almighty God gave to Moses and consequently to us and not one jot nor tittle has has been done away with but rather has all been fulfilled in Christ Jesus except for the True Feast of Trumpets and when that is finally completed at His Second Coming very soon at the Last Shofar (Trumpet), then we will commemorate that day throughout the Millennium and through all Eternity as He once again will Tabernacle and Reign with us as Emmanuel, God with us, forever and ever, amen
Thanks for having us on Allie! Hope you all enjoy part 1 of the conversation!
Y'all should talk with Sean Griffin from Kingdom in Context.
Thanks will look into that! 😊
I really pray you all get a much clearer view of what these people believe or have someone on with these beliefs to bring clarity because the half-baked understanding that you two put forth is very misleading.
Look up the God Culture.........out of the Philipines. I have some loved ones getting involved with their teachings. They believe the real Eden was from there etc..... plus, you have to pronounce the real way of saying Jesus' true name which is, Yahusha. Pronounced, Ya Hoo Sha
I second the recommendation to interview Sean Griffin from Kingdom in Context. These guys misrepresented MANY aspects of this movement, particularly the comments about legalism and the “us vs. them” divisiveness. It’s the skeptics who are sounding the alarm and casting judgements without deeper understanding. The Christians I know who follow Torah and observe God’s feasts are humble and more genuine followers of Christ than anyone I know. Further, the Biblical feasts are not “Jewish” feasts, rather they were appointed by God as part of an *everlasting* covenant to be observed by his people as a BLESSING, not a burden. Choosing to rest on the Sabbath to honor God’s command and meditate on his Word is a blessing, and it’s utter foolishness to compare it to cultish behavior. I will pray for greater discernment among Christians on this matter.
I would love for you to interview Monte Judah. Lion and Lamb ministry!
Andrew opened by stating that he follows the 10 Commandments. One of the commandments is to observe the Sabbath. In the Old Testament, the sabbath was observed Friday sundown until Saturday sundown, it is still observed that way by Jews and the TO crows. Sunday, is the Lords day, which began in the book of Acts. It’s really not the same as sabbath. I don’t think that Andrew really differentiated. When he got into the details of how the Sabbath is observed, Saturday versus Sunday, it made it sound like it’s all really the same thing. In the New Testament, the ninth commandment, to observe the sabbath is the only commandment that is not repeated. Jesus is our Sabbath rest. I believe that, but I think the lack of clarity in the conversation causes more confusion.
Mar. 2 shows the true Christ saying _the Sabbath_ is His day, so where you are getting this from about Sunday being the Lord's day? It certainly isn't from the same bible that consistently shows God calling the Sabbath His day.
@vintagevirtueswithjen Sunday is not the Lord's day nor did they begin to switch the day in the book of Acts. The only place you could be referring to is Acts 20:7 which says "Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread..." The word "day" is in italics, meaning it was added in by the translators and not in the original text. Also, the word "week" there is from the Greek word Sabaton or Sabbath. All to say that a better understanding of that passage could read "Now on the first sabbath when the disciples came together to break bread..."
In the 28 chapters that comprise the book of Acts there are 24 instances where Paul or another one of the apostles is referenced as teaching on the sabbath and/or in the synagogue on sabbath.
You can spiritualize away a tangible instruction from God to honor the sabbath (the 4th commandment) just by saying "Jesus is our sabbath rest". I would like to know exactly where you're referring to in the NT that says the sabbath commandment, which is not the 9th, but the 4th commandment, is not repeated. Just because something is not repeated does not make it obsolete.
The catholic church purposefully changed the day from Saturday to Sunday during the Council of Laodicea (hmmm, aren't they the church that Yahusha vomits out of his mouth???) in the 300s. They had the audacity to say their authority was above the Bible and changing the sabbath day to Sunday proves that.
The sabbath is referred to in the New Testament scriptures (showing it as still being kept) and it is referred to in Hebrews four and referenced/quoted in the Revelation in part. We are to worship the one who made the heavens, earth, sea and all that is in them. That is a part of the sabbath commandment and stated in Revelation.
Exodus 20:8-11
"Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days shalt thou labour, and do all thy work: But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates: *For in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, the sea, and all that in them is, and rested the seventh day:* _wherefore the LORD blessed the sabbath day, and hallowed it."_
Psalm 146:5-6
"Happy is he that hath the God of Jacob for his help, whose hope is in *the LORD his God: Which made heaven, and earth, the sea, and all that therein is:* which keepeth truth for ever"
The God who made the heaven, earth and sea and all that is in them is the God who then rested from everything He created and made on the seventh day.
Genesis 2:1-3
"Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made."
Sabbath is a sign God gave us _to remind us who the true Creator God is._ This is an eternal sign between God and His people.
Exodus 31:13
"Tell the people of Israel: 'Be careful to keep my Sabbath day, for the Sabbath is a *sign* of the covenant between me and you from generation to generation. It is given *so you may know that I am the LORD,* who makes you holy."
Ezekiel 20:20
"and keep my Sabbath days holy, for they are *a sign to remind you that I am the LORD your God."*
Someone else is going to come and claim to be the creator but sabbath is a sign between us and God that He is the Creator. That's why we see this warning in Revelation quoting part of Exodus 20:8-11.
Revelation 14:7
"and he said with a loud voice, "Fear God, and give Him glory, because the hour of His judgment has come; *worship Him who made the heaven and the earth and sea and springs of waters."*
Rev 10:6
"and swore by *Him who lives forever and ever, WHO CREATED HEAVEN AND THE THINGS IN IT, AND THE EARTH AND THE THINGS IN IT, AND THE SEA AND THE THINGS IN IT,* that there will be delay no longer,"
When we keep reading in Exodus 20 we see that sabbath is a *perpetual covenant* (without interruption) and that sabbath is *forever.* There is no need to repeat this commandment. God has already said it is perpetual (without interruption) and forever.
Exodus 31:16-17
"So the sons of Israel shall observe the sabbath, to celebrate the sabbath throughout their generations as a *_perpetual covenant._* It is a sign between Me and the sons of Israel *_forever_** FOR* in six days the LORD made heaven and earth, but on the seventh day He ceased from labor, and was refreshed."
Sabbath is an important sign to remind us which god is the true and living God, our God is the God who created the heavens and the earth and the sea and all that is in them _and then rested on the seventh day from everything He created and made._
Galatians 3:19 (Paul said) “Why, then, was the law given at all? It was added because of transgressions until the Seed to whom the promise referred had come.
One thing to note about the Hebrew Movement celebrating biblical feasts is that if it is not done exactly as commanded in the Bible, then it is in vain and a sin. Today, it is impossible to keep the feasts as they are outlined in the Bible. Every feast pointed to Christ; we remember Him now by acknowledging His death and resurrection. By his blood alone, we are saved, not by our own vain works. We Christians rest in the finished work of God, not wrecking our brains to make sure every leavening agent is cleaned from our homes when Jesus has cleaned it all from our hearts. Rest in Him and be set free from the letter of the law.
It is not impossible at all, because God's true Church has observed His festivals ever since He ordained them. That hasn't changed in the last 2 millennia. The ppl who make these kinds of lazy, uninformed justifications is simply trying to avoid taking steps to do what God requires. The fact that Zech. 14 shows Christ enforcing these festivals after He returns means they're supposed to be observed now.
Jesus actually says:
“And he answered, s“You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your MIND and love your neighbor as yourself.”
-Luke 10:27
If you are not “wracking your brain” trying to understand the truth are you loving God with all your mind? It is the first and most important commandment.
Secondly Jesus says:
17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.
“For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
The new earth and Heaven have not yet come! Jesus has fulfilled part of the scripture but will not complete it until his second coming. Thus, we absolutely should be obedient to the Torah as Jesus was a Torah abiding Jew and reinforced the Torah throughout the gospels and attended all the feasts.
If you are going to use the same train of logic that our rest is in him and his finished work (which I agree with) but fail to acknowledge that God still does call us to be obedient to his word than why can’t people have gay marriage and commit adultery?
You are then misunderstanding the law and that he placed it to protect us because we know that he loves us and protects us and made us so knows what’s best. If you commit adultery or were once gay, you can find forgiveness through Christ’s death and resurrection but it does not mean you can continue doing whatever you want and say you are resting in him.
Additionally, you are right that right now we no longer need to sacrifice on Passover as Jesus was the Passover lamb. We also are not currently gathering in Jerusalem for some of these feasts but we are rehearsing for when Jesus does return and when the new Heaven and earth because everyone will be gathering for these feasts. We are not celebrating them in vain and sin but rather in great anticipation and rehearsal for Jesus return!
What would you say about Zechariah 14:16 concerning the fact that Sukkot (feast of booths or tabernacles) will be observed in the Millennial reign of Christ?
When historical Christianity is viewed scripturally, all scripture works together perfectly. For those who say they are Torah observant, they must make the apostles of Paul go away. Paul is the one who is assigned by Jesus to deliver the gospel (which translates to “good news,” to the Gentiles (non-Jews), to the kings, and to the children of Israel” (Acts 9:15).
These guys need to interact with Messiah Matters.
Thanks for the shout out, Jerry! It was a pleasure to talk about this with you.
Yours are the best biblical rebuttals to HRM I've seen! Thank you!
@@heididecker707 Thank you!
The Beginning of Wisdom...the fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom, *all those who follow His commandments have a good understanding.*
@@boltingpuppies yes and amen.
We can do nothing apart from Him
Never underestimate the power of prayer it could have been someone's prayer that God answered that saved your life praise God praying For Everyone Everyday God bless you all
It is faith, and faith alone, in the resurrection of Christ that will bring us forgiveness and a future in Heaven!
HOWEVER, an understanding of the OT is critical to an understanding of the NT!
Where does it say "faith alone?"
If you love me , keep my COMMANDMENTS. The messiah himself.
Religion teaches law & works salvation, but Biblical Christianity teaches that salvation is by grace through faith in the blood atonement of the Lord Jesus through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit.
Ive listened to these guys here and also on their own channel talking about the hebrew roots movement and the sad thing is they actually know very little of what Torah observant christians believe and the arguments they out up are either not arguments at all or really easily refuted. This would have been a lot better if you had an actual torah observant christian on with them to bring some clarity.
They are speaking nonsense even the scripture and verses that they share here at the end, are not what they're trying to twist them into
They're trinitarians, so what else can you expect
@wjdyr6261 I am a Trinitarian because God Is Three Distinct Persons But Still God. I all also believe the church needs to go back to her hebrew roots for true revival to happen.
God The Father, Yeshua The Son, and The Holy Spirit. Three uniquely and distinctly individual but all are The one True YHWH
@wallywest001 who coined the word trinitas or trinity and who formulated the doctrine of the trinity?
How can he say we should try to obey the 10 commandments and then say we shouldnt obey the law? Doesnt make sense to me
119 Ministies, Unlearn, and Kingdom in Context
119 doesn't know whether or not Yeshua is God. Kingdom in Context does not believe in the trinity. Unlearn believes in soul sleep and does not believe in eternal conscious torment in hell (believes annihilation). Just fyi. Corner Fringe Ministries is very good but after Lex visited them I'm not sure of their official stand on ECT versus annihilation. I worship with Corner Fringe on-line on sabbath. This is a very narrow walk.
Thanks for posting this interview. I almost got looped into this movement myself through the Torah class, which is a study of the whole Bible with a Hebrew roots perspective. I was interested in learning more about Christianity through its Hebraic origins and I thought this was a good way to do that. Unfortunately, what I began to understand was a tendency to not view the Bible as a whole, but instead to either ignore or reinterpret Paul's writings about not being under the law but being under grace. It's unfortunate, because I think that Christianity could benefit from knowing more about the ancient Jewish culture. We could benefit greatly by celebrating Jesus in the Jewish feasts, because the feasts are all about Jesus. He is the meaning behind all of the...the fulfilled and unfulfilled. But the Hebrew Roots folks tend to take it way too far and make it more about the Torah and less about knowing our Lord Jesus Christ.
Lori - thanks for sharing. I have a friend who was brought up in a Baptist church but last year he took a Torah class, which then evolved into getting a Jewish study Bible, and now he’s following dietary laws from Leviticus, observes the Sabbath and next wants to learn more about the feasts, etc. He wants to follow all 613 commandments in the Torah to the best of his ability he said.
Being 'under the law' is when the law is able to hold hold us for violating it. If we are driving down the road and the posted law (speed limit) is 55 mph and we are not going over 55 mph the 'law' cannot hold us...because we are not violating that law. If we go over 55 mph the law now has power over us and can hold us...we are under the law. We will come into judgement. Justice and grace is when someone else pays our fine/speeding ticket. We are free to go. While we are free to go, it wouldn't be wise to go out and start speeding again...that same law can again be over us. Let's say the same person pays our fine again and again and again...and we are not repentant, we do not change our speeding ways, instead we have decided we like speeding OR that no-matter what we will be 'forgiven' our speeding fines (presumptuous sin). Eventually we may die while we are speeding (if we live that way). We do not used God's grace as license to sin. *Whatever* God has said is sin is still sin and it does separate us from God if we do not go to Jesus for cleansing and instead live in sin. If we deny what God has said is sin, deceiving ourselves, how can we be forgiven for these sins? It is one thing to be ignorant of what God desires but another to reject what God desires because _after hearing/reading His written word_ we deceive ourselves into believing something is acceptable. We know God is not a respecter of persons. We can see what God desires for us to do and not do. If we obey Him in these things we are not 'under the law'...it can't hold us because we are not continuing to violate it and if we do fall into sin we have an Advocate. We must confess those sins and He will cleanse us from all unrighteousness. But if we continue to violate God's law, living in sin, we are in for a rude awakening.
@@boltingpuppies Yes, I completely agree with all you wrote. But you missed my point.
@@LoriLev1107 I'm not sure I did. Yes, everything is about knowing God and loving God through Jesus Christ, who is God. The Torah is God's instruction and tells us about His character and how to love Him. Jesus is the perfect example and yes we are under grace and not under the law/held by the law _if we are walking in obedience._ Torah is not in conflict with Jesus...it doesn't just point to him and then conclude once we find him. His life demonstrates we must walk in obedience to God and His word/torah. Yes, many in HR and Christianity (both) misinterpret Paul's writings. I am a Christian who follows Jesus which means I also follow Torah. I am not under the law (held by it, in fear of judgement) _unless I am walking in disobedience._ We can easily deceive ourselves into thinking something is o.k. for us when God has already let us know it is not o.k. in His word. Many in H.R. see that and are trying to obey, unfortunately some get led astray by false teachers who do as you said, misinterpret Paul... _but the same is true in mainstream Christianity._ For example, we are not supposed to be eating unclean animals and mainstream Christianity tells us otherwise, even though Isaiah is very clear that at the second coming those doing so will be destroyed. So whether in HR or mainstream there are deadly deceptions. Our eyes must be on Jesus...which also means we will be obeying God's commandments...both. (The saints sing the song of Moses _and_ the song of the Lamb) The law is good if one uses it lawfully (correctly). If used correctly, the law teaches us more about Jesus, _not less._ I do understand what you are communicating....focusing on 'the law' can cause one to take their eyes off of Jesus (that is not using the law 'lawfully'). At the same time believing in Jesus without obeying God's instructions is _just_ as deadly.
That All Seeing Eye tattoo tells me everything that I need to know.
Wow. I listened to this while gardening and hadn’t seen the tattoo. That explains why I felt like something was “off” with him. If it’s something he got BC he needs to cover it and prob save up to have it removed. I can’t listen to him again until I find out he’s doing both of those things.
@@lauranilsen8988 SO judgmental. If Christ accepts him, why can't you?
@@heididecker707 if Christ has accepted him that’s wonderful. He’s my brother in Christ. I’ve just learned that they don’t display these things on accident. If I came to Christ after getting a tattoo like that I would do everything possible to make it clear who I follow now. I would cover it until I could have it removed or tattoo something over it. Maybe you aren’t aware of what the all seeing eye stands for???
@@lauranilsen8988 I am aware, but I think he was unquestionably clear that he follows Jesus. Not sure how you missed that, unless you are focused on finding shortcomings. Love does not keep an account of wrongs.
@@heididecker707 I don’t really remember but I prob didn’t watch the whole thing after I saw the eye. You are taking that verse completely out of context.
I honor and celebrate Gods feast. They point to prophecy of Jesus. It’s all about him.
I was raised in the World Wide Church of God. Still dealing with it after all these years.
My condolences
What was wrong with Worldwide? I heard they had management/leadership issues but had a ton of truth.
@@benjantzen8910 it's a cult
@@dunkyking6310 a group of like-minded people? Doesn’t sound so bad…unless they were the koolaid drinking type.
@@benjantzen8910 It isn't hard to find some truth in any religion. The problem was with Herbert W. Armstrong's interpretation of Scripture. Plus, he added a ton of his own laws. There were even additional dietary laws that weren't even mentioned in the old testament. For instance, we weren't allowed to eat chocolate. We had to eat carob instead, because HWA believed chocolate caused fornication. Out of the blue one Sabbath, women were told that they were no longer allowed to shave their legs. HWA's young wife shaved her legs, and after she left him, women in the church were no longer allowed to do the same things she did. All the women who were of age were required to go to church before Passover and wash a strange man's feet. My Dad (who was not a member) hated it when my mom would go do that, but he tolerated it. I was born into the WWCG. I spent my entire childhood and young adult life in it. Then, one day, after I had my first child, my mom went out for cotton balls and never came home. She ran off with some man, started celebrating Christmas and sent all her children hams. Even she couldn't adhere to the law.
“Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill. For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished.
It'd be interesting to see you talk to someone within the movement, though, like maybe Zach Bauer, Luke Abaffy (creator of The Way docu), Triumph in Truth pastor G. Steven (former mega church pastor), or someone from 119 Ministries.
David Wilber would be great. He’s even done work with Inspiring Philosophy, and good debates.
@@Shield_LabsDouglas Hamp The Way Congregation " also. Joseph Daniel from Corner Fringe .
Sean Griffin with Kingdom in Context
@@td6259Daniel Joseph and Corner Fringe are tops for me.
everyone you mentioned worships Satan,
This breaks my heart!
If you look in the accounts in the book of ACTS, The apostles and Paul were consistently keeping the sabbaths and the feast days. This was after the death and resurrection of Jesus. Paul, being a Torah master, defended the law, and western civilization has twisted his words. It has nothing to do with Hebrew roots. It’s written in plain English right in our Bible.
You mentioned the crossing of the line. Telling someone else to keep the commandments. If that is true would Jesus have crossed that line of yours in Matt 5:19
“Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.”
seems clear he would like them all kept. If you love me keep my commandments.
..." But He answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel." [Matthew 15:24]...Gentile Christianity didn't come till Cornelius...and then the Apostles and Holy Spirit did not trouble these new believers further with the Law from Moses and the burdens, the Jews themselves didn't/couldn't keep [Acts 15]...they were to follow "the Law (teachings) of Christ", and also in particular abstain from blood, fornication and meat offered to Idols...nothing else specifically from "The Law"...
O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you? This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith? Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh? For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them. But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith. And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them. Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:
Galatians 3:1-3, 10-13 KJV
“For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this: ‘Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.” Galatians 5:14
Yes, Leviticus 19:18, Also love the Lord God Duet 6:4. These are sub headings of the Torah.
@@soybeanfarmer4576 Yes. The Torah is the most perfect foundation to those who have faith in Jesus Christ. Law is our “schoolmaster” This truth from Galatians is powerfully: “Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster. For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.” (Galatians 3:24-25). In the Hebrew, “schoolmaster” means “paidagogos,” an extremely strict pre-kindergarten teacher who comes in and teaches the very young student right and wrong so the child is ready to begin school.
Law is the foundation to Grace, which was purchased with the blood of the promised Redeemer. Those whom Israel had permission to stone to death under law, we must now love under Grace. Religion teaches law & works salvation, but Biblical Christianity teaches that salvation is by grace through faith in the blood atonement of the Lord Jesus through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. Jesus is now our High Priest (Heb. 4:14). Our bodies are now His temple (1 Cor. 6: 19-20.) Jesus showed us following law was no longer sufficient in His repeated phrases in the Sermon on the Mount: “You have heard that it was said…But I say to you …” (Matt. 5:21, 27, 31, 33, 38, 43).Jesus purchased His church with His blood (Acts 20:28) & we are led by the Holy Spirit (Rom. 8:14).
@@carrotstick1970
[Rom 13:8-10 NKJV] 8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not bear false witness," "You shall not covet," and if [there is] any other commandment, are [all] summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love [is] the fulfillment of the law.
@@soybeanfarmer4576
[Rom 13:8-10 NKJV] 8 Owe no one anything except to love one another, for he who loves another has fulfilled the law. 9 For the commandments, "You shall not commit adultery," "You shall not murder," "You shall not steal," "You shall not bear false witness," "You shall not covet," and if [there is] any other commandment, are [all] summed up in this saying, namely, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." 10 Love does no harm to a neighbor; therefore love [is] the fulfillment of the law.
@@Godsambassador3 Thank you so much for posting this passage. Wow. It was good to see you in this context. Thank you.
Not trying to be rude, but as a member of the movement, the first few sentences were completely wrong, totally and altogether. They are very common misconceptions and fear-mongering ideas. We just believe that the definition of sin is breaking God’s commandments. We need Jesus to resurrect, judge, rule over, and atone for us. Nothing is taking away from Jesus. And why not use His original Hebrew name out of respect, and why not use the name God the Father reveals to us in Scripture? Are the feasts given by Jewish people or by God on Mount Sinai? Is there a commandment to celebrate the birth of Jesus? Is there already a feast in place to celebrate the resurrection rather than Easter? Did God describe these feasts as everlasting, and did He say not to add or take away? So much fear and misunderstanding about this belief system! Maybe one day the triggering effect of challenging theologians’ doctrines can relax. This is not a dangerous movement.
Very well said.
Live like the one who saved you.
Ephesians 2, Ephesians 3 and Romans 11 tell us that when we put out faith in Messiah we are no longer Gentiles. We are grafted into the wild olive tree and become part of Israel. Abraham wasn't an Israelite. He was a Hebrew (Genesis 14:13). Hebrew means "crossed over". He crossed over from the ways of the world into a relationship with the Father. Deuteronomy 28 and Deuteronomy 30 explain to us that when we keep the Father's commands we are blessed and when we disobey them we are cursed. Psalm 119 is a beautiful chapter that tells us the Father's commands are good, holy and perfect. Some other good passages to study are: Psalm 19:7-11, Psalm 1, Matthew 5:17-19, John 14:15, 1 John 5:2-3, John 15:10, John 14:21-24, 1 John 3:4). Torah means instructions. The commands are His instructions in righteousness. They are for our benefit! Salvation comes to us by faith, but keeping His commands are how we show the Father we love him! James tells us that faith and works go together. It's both faith and works! (James 2:14-26) The Most High defines good works in His Torah. "Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city." Revelation 22:14. "Then the dragon became furious with the woman and went off to make war on the rest of her offspring, on those who keep the commandments of Elohiym and hold to the testimony of Messiah. And he stood on the sand of the sea." Revelation 12:17.
I didn't start believing in Jesus from my Judaism to fall back into bondage of keeping a Law (which IS good) that I cannot keep. I'm befuddled over why people (particularly Gentiles) would choose to try and keep a Law that Christ fulfilled. Full disclosure, I DO wear a kippah when I go to church, but that is my identifying with my heritage...not out of obligation or "prove" to God how obedient I am.
Loved the conversation Allie, but i must say that the multiple ad breaks is a bit much. thanks again.
I love Jesus. I love the Torah. This is not a contradiction. The Old Testament and the New Testament make up one holy bible. In Jesus name, Amen.
I recommend y'all speak to some folks who follow the Torah instead of throwing around lies and sinning.
Yep, this whole video is full of half-truths and misinterpreted scripture
I don't think they did a thorough job in their discussion on this because it does not fully depict why one is keeping the Sabbath and appointed times of Yahweh. They don't give the full context of why we believe what we believe. It puts a negative light on those who follow Yahweh's instructions. It was a bit painful in my opinion because in light of their statements, biblical context and interpretation is not fully understood and misrepresented.
LOL🙄, I was in the movement for 6 years. This is pretty accurate.
That's what Catholics and Protestants do: they lie and slander. They have to do whatever it takes to keep up the illusion that their religion is biblical because certainly can't prove it. If Christ and the apostles walked this earth, they would accuse them of being in a cult for doing the same exact things they adhered to in the 1st century. We all _know_ they would NEVER attend a church that preaches contrary to the Law and Prophets.
@@beckyfrechette4439you were in the wrong movement then. These guys have not represented well what myself and other Torah observant christians believe. It's offensive.
I practised Hebrew roots for about 2 years. I am so thankful that the Holy Spirit guided me to be set free from it by reading Pauls letters, especially tbe book of Galatians. It is a slippery slope. Started out as an act of trying to show my love and adoration for Jesus..knowing im not adding to my salvation, but wanting to be pleasing to Him..soon I started to feel the yoke of the rest of the law I am not following..Paul said be careful to return back to the law, as if you beging to keep one you need to keep all. There is liberty in Christ, when you walk by the Spirit. Jesus made me free from torah observance, and I have never felt so at peace and secure in His finished work for me. There is pride in torah keeping..without wanting to, I started to look down on these 'christians' that did not know truth of torah observance..i became so abrasive!! I am very alarmed at how some arms of the hebrew root movement eventually go so deep down the rabbit hole that Paul' letters becomes seen as a 'antichrist' movement..i have friends still in HRM who now completely disgard all the new testament books except for the gospels. It is a utter perversion of the true gospel. I earnestly pray that people caught in this perversion will see the true sabbath rest which they have IN JESUS, and that the contend to stay in His rest ( Hebrew 4). Knowing the truth about the false christian holidays, I have not returned to celebrating them, and I have learned all about the feasts and how it points to Jesus. I do not celebrate the feasts as per the torah, but I am always joyfully aware of each one. Be blessed, be untangled, and step into true Sabbath rest with Yeshua our King!!
Shalom, Simon. With all due respect to you, you said several things that demonstrated a lack of understanding on your part, both of the Scriptures, and of the Hebrew Roots Movement in general. Most prominently was your utterly unbiblical assertion that Yeshua is our "true Sabbath". Sorry, but that's not what Hebrews 4 says, not even close. So, on that note, consider testing your assertion against our video (Video 7) on Hebrews 4.
So you need to actually research Easter and Christmas, those are not in the Bible. They are pagan. Jesus kept the Feasts in the Bible. Those Holy Days are to be observed. THAT'S in the Bible. Get your facts straight. Jesus also did not do away with the Old Testament
Jesus was under the OT law. He fulfilled it
There are pagan traditions connected to Easter and Christmas. There are also Christian traditions that have now blended in with pagan.
@@mktay2067 or overwhelmed the pagan
@@greggpurviance7252 This is pure ignorance on display. Eph. 2 teaches that biblical Christianity is based on the authority of the apostles _and_ prophets. Christ fulfilling the messianic and moral requirements doesn't mean He came to abolish it, as He very clearly told ppl in Matt. 5 not to even think that He came to do such a thing. Where do you see Christ opposing Moses?
@@theeternalsbeliever1779 read the whole NT.
So what are we grafted into, spirit and truth or pagan sun god style worship
I am a Jewish believer. Someone once told me to go to a Messianic congregation. Living in the OT. I was not learning about Jesus. In fact, you had to say Yeshua(Hebrew) not Jesus. Lots of control. Many gentile?believers all wanted to be Jewish and even refused to go to their own family’s Christmas holidays. I thought all that wrong. I left that and now am at a Bible church that is reformed in Soteriology and expository!!
How did you overcome Deuteronomy 13? Doesn’t the modern day teaching that Jesus supposedly taught against Torah justify the killing of Him as a false teacher?
That’s sad. Must of Been a bad congregation wow
Yes. Colossians 2:16
So what’s biblical about Easter and Christmas’s? And I’m NOT Hebrews movement
The Torah does not apply to everyone equally. But even Gentiles have parts of Torah that apply to them. To say the Torah has no relevancy is ignorance of biblical teaching. This episode shows a proper lack of understanding of Galatians and the book of Hebrews. Jesus was a Jew. If he canceled the Torah he would have discredited himself as the messiah. Deuteronomy 13. The same goes for Paul. Jesus did not start a new religion. That developed over time. To suggest otherwise is unbiblical.
Eeekkk! Saying Jesus is our sabbath rest…..yes…..but using it as an excuse to not honor the sabbath?? Especially when at the beginning of this program it was stated that they follow the 10 commandments. Honoring the sabbath is one of them. God himself set an example of resting when He rested on the 7th day. He set an example because us as humans tend to work ourselves to the bone. We tend to not stop and put Him first, or our families for that reason. Will you lose your salvation over not honoring the sabbath? No, but as believers don’t we want to? Don’t we want to grow closer to Jesus and have an intimate relationship with who He is? There is so much richness that comes from resting and I’ve found it a joy wrapped up in so much grace that He has set that example for me. There are extremes (which is being discussed here) and there is a balance and someone can live in that balance without all the extremes.
Easter/Ishtar Spring and Saturnalia Christmas Pagan days are not for Christians to “keep”…only in ignorance.
Obviously not Hallow-ween the day of witchcraft either.
As someone who is researching what Hebrew roots is, and trying to understand, I just finished the video and felt like it was poorly done. I don’t observe the Torah, but it seems to me like y’all want to completely ignore it. Yeah you can worship on Sundays, worship every day… but god said to remember the sabbath and keep it holy. He created the world and rested on the sabbath, which further shows its importance. It’s a thing. Also- the festivals are celebrations and many of them pointed to the coming of Jesus, and represented what he would do. For example, passover points to his sacrifice on the cross as the perfect lamb.
No, it’s not your salvation and to put salvation in the hands of anything other than the savior doesn’t make sense but to me this whole video sounds like the girl has an enemy who observes Torah and wanted to take a jab…like I said I’m still in the learning phase myself but most of the Bible was written in Hebrew, there are things that cannot be fully understood outside of Hebrew (ie the worm in psalm 22) There’s definitely something to be said for the original language and customs that is being ignored…!Poorly researched, poorly presented at best and at worst, Wrong and potentially damaging to understanding of scripture. I would be careful what you deem unimportant and what you teach others…
Speaking of cults, did anyone notice the middle gentleman has a tattoo of a pyramid with the all-seeing eye (or at least that's what it looks like to me)?
Yes I noticed that too.
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All other issues aside, unless you are Catholic you should not be observing Sunday as your Sabbath. It simply is not biblical.
Unless your Catholic? What's that got to do with it? Shabbat is the same day of the week for everyone whatever you do or don't do on that day. Catholics don't have their Sabbath apart from everyone else.
By calling them Jewish Holidays or feasts your showing your lack of Biblical understanding and your love of traditions of your elders…hmmm… now where did I hear that before?!
I think this is the right way. There can be meaning in observing the biblical holidays, but to say that everyone MUST observe them for salvation is not right. Though maybe many Christians still treat the weekly sabbath in the Ten Commandments with more reverence than other biblical holidays. I don't know that I would call them entirely "man-made" traditions because they were originally given by God in the Bible, but a lot of traditions that develop around them are man-made and subject to interpretation. In terms of Jesus' name, I don't think it's right to say that you must use a certain name, but it can help to understand what Jesus' name was in his own time too. "Jesus" in English was not written with a "J" until the 1600s, and even then it was still pronounced as an "I" and not a modern "J" for a long time. Given that, laypeople might want to know what he was called before then.
Allie, I’m happy to talk to you about this movement because I was actually a part of it.
So it’s not okay to call him Yeshua? His ORIGINAL name? Isn’t that a Greek translation? Also if keep the Sabbath Holy is on the Ten Commandments why do we think we don’t need to keep it when it’s one of Gods eternal commandments?
Maybe Andrew should cover up his all seeing eye tattoo if it’s something he got BC. If he got it while hosting Cultish that explains why I got a bad feeling when I listened to him.
The feast are not the jews they are called Gods feast. I would strongle rebuke these men pushing lies and not standing on Gods word.
For the law was given by Moses; but grace and truth is made by Jesus Christ.
John 1:17
That's the closest argument I can find to what this guy says in Allie's video. To myself and many others this reads as the law is still to be upheld. The law of the Torah. Jesus is the addition of grace and truth.
Again as throughout the gospel we see the pattern of Jesus asking us to do our best as humans to follow these laws. The difference between the old and the new is that Jesus has given salvation and forgiveness to the Jews who believe in him as well as the gentile.
In fact Messianic Jews are also known as Christian Jews.
I think perhaps there is some reason to this in the other reference this man pulled up.
In Acts The situation in which she speaks of where the men follow Paul and try to exercise demons; Not only are they trying to use power not bestowed on them, which has absolutely nothing to do with celebrating the feasts by the way.... But these people were labeled as "Jews". There were Jews and there were heathens. I believe they specified that it was Jews that were trying to exercise the demons because they were not Christian.
So not only were they not direct disciples of Christ but they were not Christians did not believe in Jesus and did not have Jesus in their hearts...
In Hebrews 4:8-9 I am surprised to find that it says Jesus did not name another day of rest so the current Sabbath remains a day of rest.
So it's basically the opposite of what this man in the video says.
This is cross referencing several translations of the Bible as well as the first English translation.
I plan to read more of Galatians, but thus far it soeaks much of the salvation of Abraham's seed. Which I wonder if is speaking of the concept that the Jews would first be opened to Christianity and salvation and the gentile to follow.
It speaks of how no men, of the seed of Abraham, had been capable of following the whole law. Ie; they all had sinned in one form or another. But that belief in Jesus would save them from requiring they follow every law in such a way.
That's the point...just as we aren't asked to be sinless as Christian gentiles...we are asked to TURN away from sin and to do our best to follow Jesus' example. Which BTW, he celebrated Passover and other holy days. Passover is a great way to start IMHO.
Amen. Well said. 😊
Your interpretation of Hebrews 4:9 confuses me. The context clearly is speaking of entering rest in the promised land, now in Christ and has nothing to do with the seventh day which was established before Joshua.
You should take a look at Galatians 3, Paul explicitly states several times that in Christ we are no longer under the law.
Please listen again. 🙏.
Jesus celebrated the feast because He hadn't died and rose again yet. When He did , He said it is finished. He had obeyed perfectly and fulfilled every single feast pointing to His sacrifice. He made the 1st obsolete by fulfilling it. Then, after His ascension, the church body was formed, Jew and Gentile in one new body, saved wholly by His grace in faith. Read your N,
.T. again and what the apostles taught as they they preached and the Lord grew the church. ❤
Colossians2:16
Biblical feast not Jewish feasts they are for everyone ❤ praise God! What a blessing to be grafted in and share in his promises Torah is for everyone it’s his perfect design for life!!!! God doesn’t change and neither does his word live your life for him! It is so beautiful and brings life ❤
4:50 “We should obey the Ten Commandments…” but… 9, because the Sabbath is one of the festivals
So if we believe the Old Test was given to us bc it was God's word and we believe Jesus' words(that and have the Holy Spirit helping us discern how the 2 are connected) this makes us a dangerous, cult-like false gospel. Interesting. I would encourage viewers to read the Old Test for yourself, maybe visit the channel Jesus' Words Only and then pray in the Holy Spirit for discernment and trust God to handle the rest. Funny thing is the modern evangelical empire is looking more and more like another variety of the Catholic Church and seems to me the only thing dangerous about people reading and following God's law is the danger it poses to that industry.
If 1 John 5:17 says, "All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death," and Psalm 119:172 says, "My tongue shall speak of thy word: for all thy commandments are righteousness." Why would anyone not want to keep His commandments?
We are commanded not to do unrighteousness. His commandments are righteousness. So the one who does not keep His commandments and tells others not to keep them is a liar and the truth is not in him.
1 John 2:3-4 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
And what is that commandment?
Jesus says in John 13:34 A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another: just as I have loved you, you also are to love one another.
You mention 1 John 2:3-4 but if you continue in vs 5 it says "but whoever keeps his word, in him truly the LOVE OF GOD is perfected." Then in vs 6 "whoever says he abides in him ought to WALK in the SAME WAY in which He walked." And what is John referring to? He makes it clear in the following verses by even mentioning a "new commandment which is not new" in vs 9 and 10 "Whoever says he is in the light and hates his brother is still in darkness. Whoever loves his brother abides in the light, and in himf there is no cause for stumbling." That's the commandment Jesus told us to keep, and John is speaking about that in his letter.
The greatest commandment according to Jesus and why: Matt 22:37-40 "You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend ALL the Law and the Prophets".
That's the law on which the apostles speak of and the one Jesus gave to us. To be righteous you must Love God first and your neighbor because if you achieve to do that, then you have fulfilled the Law. The Law has nothing to do with ceremonies.
@gattibeba8841 Love is the root of where obedience flows from. Love does no wrong. If you have a hardened heart, you will not obey Him. This is the rebellious person. This person is in the flesh.
The person who is in the Spirit has a heart of flesh that has been changed from the hardened heart. (Ezekiel 36-26-27) This is the person who can love. This person will demonstrate that love by keeping God's commandments. His commandments are the law.
John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
1 John 2:3-5
And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
Revelation 14:12
Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
Matthew 4:4
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
God's commandments are righteousness. When it is no longer I who lives, but Christ who lives in me, it is Christ walking the commandments out through me.
The flesh doesn't want to submit to His Law because it cannot. You have to be reborn for this desire to occur.
Romans 8:5-8
For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.
Does the Spirit of God inside the believer walk against the commandments of God or for the commandments of God?
It's too bad they didn't read "Matthew 5:17-19
If you want to call yourself an expert, you should have studied it. Why do you condemn something without understanding it.
The law doesn't save you. It brings you closer to God.