Ken Ham CLASHES With Bill Nye in Public Debate!
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- Did God create the heavens and earth in six days, or did the universe evolve over the course of billions of years? In this video, Bill Nye debates Ken Ham on the origins of the universe and life, as well as the viability of creationism in our current scientific era.
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Don’t get how people are roasting bill nye for saying he doesn’t know something instead of pretending to have an answer
Because he grills people.for not knowing himself. Just holding him to the same standards he holds others to.
@@sethmcclain4297
No he grills people for evidence as they claim that they do know. Then they proceed to not give any tangible or quantifiable evidence as with a lot of religious Doctrine, its all faith based.
He has said many times he is skeptical about many things but he could be wrong, the one thing Bill Nye doubles down is the age of the Earth.
Because the evidence is LITERALLY all around us.
Can you give an example?@@sethmcclain4297
@@sethmcclain4297and you don't see the irony in your statement. So sad.
@@sethmcclain4297context matters. If someone is presented with a concept they are not well versed in then an “idk” is correctly used. If a person who believes in God is presented with a concept they aren’t well versed in and they respond with a “idk but God did it” then that is fallacious. You can’t know a God exists and thus cannot use him as an answer to the unknown. Bill is honest, Ken is a liar.
I gladly stay on the Scripture as a foundation of my life!!
so, that INCLUDES lev 20:13 ?
I feel so alone being an actual Christian. Almost everybody places faith above all else, which is silly because the bible exists to be read and interpreted. Mainstream Christianity is as cringe as the beta males latching onto antitheism.
@@mekavio8231 That is morality, not science.
@@razark9not everything is scientific. Philosophy isn’t scientific yet philosophy is still valid and valuable. Fantasy books aren’t scientific yet they are still valuable.
@@razark9 Based on whose perspective and whose authority? If you think a person can not use the Bible as a basis to construct their hypothesis, or thesis from and then go out to perform observational experiments using the various tools within the sciences then you are truly mistaken.
This debate was the catalyst for my deconversion, thank you, creationists, for showing me the ridiculousness of my indoctrination!
One debate caused you to loose faith?
I have a feeling you’re just saying that to spark a debate and you never truly believed.
But I’ll bite.
Can you prove the “biogenesis” hypothesis correct?
You’d be the first if you can.
I can prove the Bible has supernatural attributes.
I can prove it through the mathematical probability of prophetic accuracy.
@@larryhorton8384now ill bite, what prophetic accuracy can you demostrate? And what does mathematical probability have to do with it? Just because science cant answer a question doesnt mean you should substitute it with a supernatural being.
What about all the questions the bible cant answer? And the things we know the bible got wrong? Reason and logic are the bibles worse enemies
Welcome aboard, congratulations on becoming an atheist/agnostic/deist or whatever faith you have converted into that dosen’t hold your intellectual curiosity and freedom be held hostage by iron age philosophy.
Ken Ham's entire justification is "Well we didn't see it so we don't know" When pressed on actual data, He says well "we weren't there we didn't see it" and goes on coulda Shoulda woulda argument that never holds up
And the naturalist argument is. ‘We know with certainty exactly what happened even though we weren’t there.’ As Ken says multiple times, naturalism is a belief. It makes claims and assertions based on a particular point of view. If you say his arguments don’t hold up. The exact same can be said of Bill’s. Unless of course you take his beliefs as fact instead of what they are. Beliefs
This debate is from 2014. The information is timeless, so if you've never seen the debate it's definitely worth watching. However, if like me, you were wondering if it is a new debate between these two, it's not, so if you've seen it... You've seen it.
Thank you, you actually saved me time lol.
the original debate was 2 and a half hours long... this is less that an hour and a half... wonder what AIG cut out???
@@danielnorris6888 You'd guess that they cut out the boring stuff where they just go in circles. Creation vs evolution debates normally do that.
You can always go and watch the full debate... @@danielnorris6888
They also got into a small debate on the ark encounter.
So Bill would agree that it takes his “intelligence” to make a telescope to observe the universe, but no intelligence behind the making of the universe 🤔
There’s nothing dishonest about believing in an intelligent creator, the proof of intelligent design is everywhere. I had my head stuck in the sand for many years not wanting to accept the truth, but it doesn’t change the truth. I don’t claim or believe we are going to understand everything on this journey through life, but the biggest mistake would be to turn from God and live by our own standards only because it makes us feel better about ourselves.
@@Moist._Robotthere’s no pretending, there’s proof and evidence all around us, to pretend it doesn’t exist is being dishonest. I understand why someone chooses not to believe as I once did, I wanted no accountability and to live as I please, to acknowledge and believe in God meant I had to change, or reject God and expect to be separated for all eternity. My hope and prayer is that everyone comes to know Jesus as their Lord and Savior.
@@Moist._Robot You were created for a purpose and with free will to choose, God won’t force anyone to seek him out, but hopes all will accept his free gift of salvation.
Psalm 14 1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God."
@@Moist._Robotmy apologies if I wasn’t clear. I turned my back and chose to live the way that pleased me and didn’t want to be accountable to anyone, but realized that just because I didn’t want to believe I was living in sin, it didn’t change the fact that I was and I will still be held accountable. I believe Jesus is the only way and if we don’t accept his sacrifice that we will be separated for eternity.
@@Moist._Robot So honest people say we don't know. Well my agnostic friend you will never know how if you do not want to find out and that would be dishonest to yourself and your soul unless you read the book of Genesis. Two books in the Bible that Satan hates the most. Genesis shows how he lied to us and is to be blamed for our troubles and in the book of Revelation where he will lose at the end or another way to put it, In Genesis, the devil's doom is pronounced. In Revelation, it’s carried out. Don't follow Satan follow Jesus Christ my friend or you also will be doom.
I really enjoyed the way this video was put together. Very nice job indeed.
Since I've grown up I have become even more enamored with God.
That's alright, but if you're ever interested in learning about how the natural world works you might want to read up on some actual science as opposed to Answers propaganda.
@@Creationism-is-pseudoscience why do you care about the direction of anything in the world? "Shouldn't you be out on the ledge somewhere?"
@@nuancedliars112 What a christian thing thing to say. Why would I bot care? Unlike creationists most other want a better world where truth is valued. Why do *YOU* care? Aren't you just waiting around to die so you can go the bouncy castle in the clouds? Why does anything down here matter to you? I know you don't care about truth and science.
@@nuancedliars112 Happy I left my mental shackles of Christianity when I did and not become a 110% programmed drone. I freed myself from my mind-slavery, but it's sad seeing creation-zombies just nod your empty heads to whatever pseudo-science and propaganda is shoved down your throat, usually with some emotional background music to go along and you never, ever question anything your brainwashers feed you with. Just sad. 😔
@@Creationism-is-pseudoscience This "actual science" in which you speak of seems to be assumptions that are widely accepted. Nothing else.
I had the pleasure of hearing Ken Ham in Jackson Hole this week. What a treat! God bless
@@razark9 Indoctrination would be how the Evolutionary *Theory* is being pushed in public schools and educational institutions. This video, however, is a debate. Please think things through before you post them online.
@@_help_me_please_it’s not being *pushed* sweetheart. It’s just facts.
@@bn2870so when did a species go into another species? For if it's facts then you need evidence
@@Real-pn7mj species is just a definition. It happens over time. We’ve watched reptiles evolve organs for a herbivore diet to a carnivore diet over decades. It isn’t hard.
@@bn2870 so this is evidence of darwin evolution? A man's nose can change and sk can his skin color and his diet but wait is it still a human 🤔. Even if a human changes its diet, weight, skin color, the fact is its still a human. No darwinion evolution.
If scientists find that trees, dinosaurs, the earth and the stars are millions or billions of years old, it does not negate creation because obviously, God created planets and stars that were already old, just as He created Adam and Eve who were already adults (not babies). The same with trees. He created trees that were already old, not seeds that had to be planted and then wait for them to grow.
That’s an interesting take on it. We really don’t know what God did in the detail of what he did when he created the Earth but that sounds plausible.
Never thought of it in that way before. Thanks for that, it definitely gives me food for thought
Science also carbon dates brand new bones of varying age up to "millions of years old". Walter Veith has explanations on this carbon dating fiasco.
The problem is the dating methods are not verifiable and already have multiple assumptions pre built into there assumption of the data. examples in this video such as mother and daughter particles from decay of radioactive elements. constant decay rate. etc.
But it does debunk the historic narrative of the Bible. It is hard to fit Billions of years into the text Genesis without doing some serious assumptions about the days of creation and the lineage of the patriarchs.
I enjoyed this debate really enjoy watching debates real debates especially now-a-days
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Just as I thought, this is an old debate going back to 2014. It would be nice to see a 2023 debate between these 2, or any other 2 for that matter.
Yep, I watched it live with my brother…fun times!
It wouldn't be any different today unfortunately.
2024, more proofs for the Bible. Time works again the theory of evolution. The truth of the Bible is coming out every minute.
All the sciences are backed up by the Bible, especially archaeology.
Nothing would change. I don't understand what your trying to say.
@@Tomarsnback. Yes It will, more proofs in favour of creation since 2014, time works against evolution, the more the time is passing the more new archeological discoveries give reason to the Bible and more lies of the theory of evolution will be exposed.
Nye should visit the area around Mount Saint Helens. The place looks like the Grand Canyon now but looked like a field before the explosion.
I dont understand. How does this show if a god is real?
@Gary-fq8cx he said it takes millions of years to form the grand canyon yet we've seen something similar in mere days.
Therefore we know it did Not have to take millions of years.
Also the fossil records indicate that the Mount Sainy Helen's canyon appears millions of years old if you use bills science. [Which they did]
Basically wrecked Bill's arguments
@@Gary-fq8cx"if you can find one example of that it'll change this belief "
They did and his beliefs didn't change. In fact Bill went to observe it and disagreed it just happened. 😂
@@Moist._Robot He doesnt know any science and is simply parroting stuff he tries to remember Ham said. 😒
@@tankapples Lik ef my last post said it's not the same and not even similar. You religious people are the only ones claiming they are alike. No geologists says that. Why dont any professionals who this is their lifes work agree with you? I've seen video and pics of St Helen's and it looks nothing like the Gand Canyon. Send me some links of what you say looks like the Canyon.
The bible describes a flat Earth multiple times. Flat Earthers point to the bib lo e as proof its flat. Why does your god think our homeworld is flat when it's not?
Why has it been edited? That bothers me. Did you remove awkward silence. Or a point you did not want me to hear?
Yeah it’s the deep state bruh
Exactly. It shows it in the description...but...most people don't look at that..
We need more debates
you mean real debates, or heavely edited to portray one party as "correct and just" ?
@@mekavio8231 I just meant more debates in general. If there it a tilt one way or the other it's based on the intelligence of the viewer to tell. Just watch the mainstream news, as it's a prime example.
@@zircon7634 ok i agree, decent debates with neutral moderators : like "modern day debates" on youtube.. right ?
Although he was nicer than in other debates, bill nye isn't winning people over with veiled insults.
He wasn't whining like Mr Ham.
Mr. Bill is on the Epstein Island flight list .. 😮 he's a nwo puppet
Bill is what fauci
@@PortmanRd LOL!!! Ken Ham was about as calm as you could ask him to be. You're not an atheist you're a God hater and it's that kind of hate that blinds you from reality.
Well he assumes we’re too stupid to see the lie he told too. He said you don’t find fossils mixed at all. That’s a load of crap. I’ve watched the evolutionist change there theories over 20 times since the nineties because they found things that belong in the certain time periods. I’ve watched countless atheist give up on evolution because they learned that evolutionists were completely disregarding things that supported the Bible and if they found one feather follicle near a Rex foot now suddenly it’s a bird.
I find Nye’s dependence on emotional appeals and repeated mischaracterization of creationists rather than discussion the evidence itself to be highly disturbing.
Nye has always been a Saul Alinsky styled activist and not a scientist.
Uh, that was Ken Ham doing that.
@@RegebroRepairs cite timestamps and examples?
@@RegebroRepairs evolution is not science. It cannot be tested or repeated. Genetic entropy is a strong bulwark against Godless evolution.
Did you know that Christians give more to charity on average than athiests??
thats b/c Jesus tells us to love our neighbor. when you truly believe God and desire Him, you obey Him more. But evolutionism promotes "do what thou wilt" and implies "love is manmade"
How hopeless evolutionism and Godlessness are! true love, hope, joy, and peace are from God, not man made. if God was fake then 100% of humans would keep following THEIR desires, rather than wanting to be with a God Who "doesnt exist".
look up Isaiah Saldivar and Richard lorenzo jr. How will you explain away the Supernatural with your natural-only tunnel vision??
repent of pride and idolatry and believe the Gospel!
@rubber2023 You start with finding the places you think Nye did that, before I waste time on that.
Bill mentions the tree "Old Tjikko" being over 9,000 years old. But that age isn't based on counting tree rings, it's based on carbon dating
Another well researched and reliable scientific method. Thank you for the clarification
@leroyjenkins3744 it only dates the carbon matter around the tree not the tree itself
@@VTRIGGERSit was dated using genetically matched plant material around the tree. Carbon dating only works on dead things. The plant material was dead so the carbon dating is effective. Besides, if they dated material around the tree but it wasn’t the tree at all and it said 9,000 years then wouldn’t that also be a bad look on the young earth? Anything 6,000+ makes the Bible dead wrong by Ken’s standards.
@leroyjenkins3744 how was it genetically matched?
@@VTRIGGERSI mean there’s a few methods that work. DNA electrophoresis, DNA sequencing, etc. take your pick. I don’t know the specific one off hand, I’d have to research further. But that doesn’t make it illegitimate.
Mr Nyes last statement, that the rest of the world will out compete us in science if we embrace a path of God. Is what was said when they took God out of schools in the 1950s.
The naturalistic world view has never been so widely accepted and yet the West is deteriorating everyday as it moves further away from Judeo-Christian values.
Yep and look at the moral decline and degeneracy that has resulted
Actually in the 50s many changes were made to differentiate us godly capitalists from our atheistic soviet friends. In God we trust became the national motto and schools began doing the pledge of allegiance.
@@Djmiddlekauff I remember around the mid to late sixties, suddenly, we weren't saying the pledge
If Bill Nye says you can;t get a good education somewhere, it becomes a place in which I'm interested in the education system. Sadly, I used to watch Bill Lie the deceived guy as a kid.
Love your screen name. Especially love the fact that you have trusted Christ.
@@freeinhabitant2422 Amen, and amen 🙏🏽
My older son and I thought he was cool. Poor Bill. He needs to get saved.
@@TheLMC323 he most certainly does.
I used to watch Beakman's World, even as a kid I didn't like Bill Nye 😂
I watched this while debate and I don't believe Bill ever really answered any of the questions posed to him. At least Ken gave examples if where he gets his proof for what he believes. Bill I'm very disappointed in your debating skills.
From what I remember most of his arguments were appeals to authority. And when Ken points out that there are plenty of credentialed scientists and learned men that are creationists as well, Bill primarily just said that his scientists were just bad at their job. So basically "trust my scientists because they are scientists, but not your scientists"
@@aaronadamson7463 There are not 'plenty', it is a handful compared to the millions of people with science credentials that understand Evolutionary theory.
An evolutionist can never prove anything. He can only make vague allegations. Ken comes up with specifics which Nicholas Nye cannot answer and never will, and never will you.
@@rayober2273 This is just nonsense.
ROTFL. You're shaving (llooking in the mirror). You just proved my point. Ken Ham 10, Nye zero, just baloney.
Just a simple example not in the video.DNA won't last longer than 10,000 years in a natural environment: When scientist Mary Schweitzer saw these dinosaur bones under a microscope, she said: something like "It was exactly like looking at a slice of modern bone. ... I couldn't believe it -The bones, after all, are 65 million years old. How could blood cells survive that long?" Hey, just maybe they weren't that old. She cannot get papers published on this because it does not fit the narrative.
Get off your high horse and stop showing how ignorant you are.@@StudentDad-mc3pu
Is this a repost from 2016?
Sheesh, the difference in comments between this video and the full original video it comes from is like night and day.
One thing i wished that Ham would have done in that debate was to put up a picture of Noah's Ark National Park where the Government of Turkey formally dedicated the Durpinar site as Noah's Ark.
3D Ground scans prove that its not a natural formation. There is a 3 story structure underneath with bulkhead and empty spaces at regular intervals.
The real Noah's Ark was a fractal. That's the only way he could fit everything inside. That's what pitch with in Pitch with one window means.
@ddrse Explain. The Flood Account only gives one dimension for the window, so it's more likely that the window ran the length of the top deck.
1. Known fact that the Himalayas, Andes, Alpes didn't exist during the Great Flood which is why they have fossilized shellfish in the CLOSED position on the top of them. Mt Everest and Lake Titicaca were Sea Floor and the thrust up RAPIDLY during the Zuni and Tejas Megasequences. There are 12 foot wide fossilized oysters in the Andes in Peru in the closed position. It didn't take "MILLIONS of years" to cause these shellfish to come up out of the water, otherwise they would have died Naturally, lost their tops to the Ocean Currents and their carcasses eaten.
2. Known fact that a ship at Sea is safer than one at Port during a Tsunami. A ship in the open Ocean barely notices, while the ones in Port are driven several miles inland.
US Navy Weatherman Petty Officer First Class Aaron Kawczk noted in a Stars and Stripes interview regarding Tsunami threats to US Military assets:
"Ships can be fairly safe at sea during a tsunami because the large waves are moving deep under the surface. Out at sea, they aren't extremely noticeable; Kawczk explained. The passing waves produce only a gentle rise and fall of the surface.
Noah's Ark had many multi-ton "Drogue Stones" that were tied to the back and sides of the boat to keep it stable and pointed into any waves. These huge stones have been found near Noah's Ark National Park in Eastern Turkey at 39°26'30"N 44°12'52"E. These stones have curved holes in the top where ropes were passed thru. Look them up on Google.
3. Ark Capacity. The Logistics of the boat construction prove it's not only doable in 100-120 years, but structurally sound on the Ocean.
Moses would have been familiar with the Royal Egyptian Cubit which was about 21.6 inches. The Ark design was a 515 ft long, 85 ft wide 51 feet high with 3 decks. Entrance was on the 2nd deck with a ramps to the top and bottom decks.
The Ark had the storage space equivalent to 450 standard Commercial Cargo tractor trailers.
The Ark would have had about 2.2M cu feet of storage space, which is about 4% of the original One World Trade Center in New York (58.8M) .
That MORE than enough room for 8 Humans and around 1700 Kinds of animals.
4. "Kinds" vs "Species". Noah didn't need to take every "Species" of each animal Kind, or take Marine creatures on the Ark because they can breathe under water. If you ever read the Text, you would learn that God brought to the Ark "2 pair of every Unclean Animal" and "7 pairs of every Clean Animal".
Noah would not have taken fully grown elderly elephants and giraffes etc. because they won't reproduce. It would have been younger animals. Nor did Noah have to bring insects because insects breathe thru their skin and can survive by floating on Log Mats, and feeding off the carcasses of dead animals.
5. Why would Noah need to bring "Fossils" on to the Ark when fossils didn't EXIST before the Flood? It was the Flood to killed everything when the Earth's Crust broke up at the Mid Atlantic Ridge and released TRILLIONS of gallons of water from below and propelling magma into Space which hit the Moon like BBs. (NASA website; Big Bertha).
6. Google "Experiments In Stratification" by the US Navy. They are very interested in knowing whether or not underwater canyons will be there for Submarine Operations.
7. "Heat Problem"? What Heat Problem? Known fact that Earth itself has many Heat Sinks to regulate the Temperature. Among these are Algae and Clay.
8. There weren't "5 Mass Extinctions", only 1 with 6 Megasequences during the Flood: Saulk, Tippecanoe, Kaskashkia, Abrizoka, Zuni and Tejas. It was the Zuni and Tejas Megasequences that lifted up every mountain chain, sunk every Major Basin and Trench to which the Flood Waters drained off. All the Great Mountain Chains and Basins follow the Mid Ocean Ridges from which they slid.
9. The Great Oceanographer Jaques Cousteau once said "If you flattened the Crust, the Continents would be covered by over a Mile of Water."
10. The Design of Noah's Ark has been tested in the US Navy Wave Tanks and shown to be perfectly stable.
So there was a boat or something built there. How does that make is "Noah's Ark"?
@jockyoung4491 Because it matches the coordinates given to us in the Ancient Sumerian Clay Tablets. The Sumerians were the World's first "Disaster Tourists". They knew where it was because they traveled there and talked to Noah and his wife for many years. Those coordinates when translated into our modern systems is:
Noahs Ark National Park
39°26'30"N 44°12'52"E
Noah's Homestead
39°37'56.27"N 43°59'3.96"E
The Ancient Assyrian King Nimrod (Ie Enmerker) wrote to his grandfather Noah "The Lord Of Uratu" all the time asking for his blessing.
Welp story sold… we all now know there was a guy who gathered millions of animals on a boat he built with a few family members, lived for 1,000 years or whatever it was, and is the only family who survived a worldwide flood that didn’t happen.
CSI is based on REPEATABLE tests. At 5:00 Bill is flat out WRONG to imply that repeating tests on a crime show, is the same as marking claims about the origin of life, of which nobody has EVER duplicated (the origin of life and energy and matter from nothing). When Bill lights the fuse on a bomb sitting in a bucket of random chemicals and it produces some functioning life, then you can comoare it to repeatable science like CSI.
The Miller-Urey experiment
@@luish1498 that and EVER single test has FAILED to create life forming DNA. No single instance of creating life. Not once. And certainly not repeatable per the scientific method requirement.
..... not to mention that test, and EVERY test, uses the molecules AND laws of chemistry that science has no plausible explanation for the origin of. All we know is that within time and space, energy and matter cannot be created OR destroyed....
Therefore according to science, something OUTSIDE of time and space had to have created it....
His name is God, and believe it or not, we will all meet Him one day. Shouldn't we at least look at what He says about Himself? John 1:1 is a great place to start.
Feel free to get in direct contact with me if you'd like to talk.
@@Moist._Robot I'm pretty sure if he can cite from the book, he's read it at least once.
@@Moist._Robot you have yet to cite the book in this entire thread. Unless youtube is hiding something, which it tends to do. He went as far as stating "John 1:1". If you have read the book twice and still won't accept massive portions of it, then I can understand why you would be confused.
Would have loved to see the unedited version of the debate.
There are many out there to watch just type in Nye vs Ham full debate.
I'm glad Answers in Genesis posted this debate. Utter defeat for creationism. Ken's whole argument was either "Were you there?" Or "I have this book that says things"
The major problem with biblical literalism is that we know the world isn't flat, we know that there is no dome (the firmament), we know that the sun, moon and stars aren't placed into that firmament. We know that the earth isn't younger than some living things. The world isn't 6k years old.
So again, thank you for posting your fails for us to see.
The Bible states that the Universe is expanding (stretching) even before scientists discovered it so. 'Zechariah 12:1
The LORD, who stretches out the heavens, who lays the foundation of the earth, and who forms the human spirit within a person...'
That so obviously a metaphor xdd
Wrong, the heavens is not space. The heavens is another dimension above the earth. God lays the foundation of the earth. God is not an alien. Don't fall prey to linking that together to fall for one of the future deceptions.
The Bible also claims the earth is flat, has corners, and is held up by pillars
@@leroyjenkins3744 You are mistaken. Here are several translations of Job 26:7 :
7 God stretches the northern sky over empty space and hangs the earth on nothing. 7 He spreads the skies over unformed space, hangs the earth out in empty space. 7 He stretches the northern [skies] over empty space; He hangs the earth on nothing.
@@chesfernso you’re refuting the pillars part? It still says it’s flat and has corners. It’s still wrong and stupidly so
For those who produce the video. I enjoy listening to the video as I can’t always watch while working and the sound effects of the images are very distracting. Thanks for providing this session
Agreed - that unnecessary "swooshing" sound every time the view changes is annoying and adds nothing to the video.
@@stevekerp1 cry about it
What’s wrong with you. Nobody produced the video. It just was sitting on a shelf waiting for people to watch. It’s at lest 77.7 billion years old
They are millions all over the world. I’ve seen at least appear from nowhere.
@@spikenomoonSitting on top of all the primitive productions…The oldest just saying, “welcome!” with no audience right up to the final touch… tables and podiums.
@@Barbutt A sky Fairy or A Organized Nothing Fairy. They Mock the Supernatural and yet they completely ignore we are here.
“Billions of believers who do not accept Hams model.”
This is me🙋🏽♀️
You can tell Bill cares so much about the education of the younger generations as well as education and does not want them being misinformed.
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please no
Ah… :) Here comes the tears of the self~Claimed “Atheist” and “Agnostic…” 😋
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@@Ledinosour673 _”please no…”_ ~RaptorMongoliensis {2023}
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"Ministry"...yes. "Science"...no.
@@Moist._Robot “NephilimFree?” 🤔
What happens when you put together light and darkness, or truth and lie? Light and truth will always prevail, hence Ken won the debate, because we was walking in truth and shining a light.❤
Creationists think he won, but reality proves his entire world view wrong, yet he marches around looking like a dope to people who actually study nature without a pre determined belief.
@kyleturner1871 so the complexities found in all life came from lightning striking pond scum? I don't think so. Life cannot come from non life. When is the last time lightning struck water and brought something to life, in your lifetime? I'll wait.
@@angelamurphy6233sure life can come from non-life. We have little packages of RNA/DNA that floats around and makes us sick. These aren’t alive, but yet they act similarly to living organisms.
Also that pond scum thing is outdated. The reason we don’t see life self forming nowadays is because other life exists and eats up the necessary nutrients. And if it did form, you wouldn’t know it since it would be invisible to the human eye
@kyleturner1871 I don't know any scientists that doesn't have presupposed beliefs. In fact many scientists are more driven by either politics or the drive to write their name in history via discovery than actual truth. So yeah, nice assertion but I'd like a little evidence of examples behind your assertion.
@@aaronadamson7463can you give convincing evidence for the existence of a God without using the Bible or anecdotes?
Until Noah's flood. Nothing on earth knew what rain was.
Do you even understand what the water cycle is?
Water cycle of begining or rain?
Bill's desire to have science bundled up together and not separated into categories and types is the epitome of his religion. His religion requires that a current observation be able to to be infinitely applied to the past. That is a religious worldview
You wanna try that again in english, not whatever cryptic strawman that was?
We may not recognize it as a typical religion, but science does fill the role of religion's explanatory authority, moral/ego orientation, in the minds of its devotees. Scientism is a real religion, even if there is no official singular brand, it has its sects, organizations, clerical oligarchy, churches and preachers. There may be more opposition of ideas tolerated, but there is still a deeply rooted, imutable dogma instilled in its followers. There is an ontology, epistemology, and axiology, implicit and peer reinforced, in the modern scientific worldview, it is by definition a religion.
@@razark9 you're failing to understand the faith that exists in the scientific community. Have you ever OBSERVED one being evolve into a completely different being? Did anyone OBSERVE the 'Big Bang'? No. None of these are observed. They are inferences that are only attested to by what can be observed. But these are only capable of being made through assumptions. You must ASSUME that Carbon has had a consistent decay rate through all of history, you must ASSUME the level of Daughter Elements as being zero at the beginning of the universe. You must ASSUME a law of entropy that cannot be broken or suspended. These are assumptions that are being made on behalf of an evolutionist. They are taken with faith, which means the trust in things not observed. Ken is simply pointing out that these are doctrinal statements made to explain the unobserved through the observed. That is what religion is. The systematic explanation of what was through what is. There's no dishonesty to say that each position has its starting points that are assumed. Neither can be proven, because they would need to be witnessed which is not possible. So you take existing evidence for both sides, and do an internal critique of the worldview to make sure the evidence fits. Your starting points are the religious claims. Again, can Bill Nye prove that Carbon decay rates have been perfectly consistent through all of world history? Can he provide an origin for the matter that imploded on itself to create the 'Big Bang'? No, those are taken on pure FAITH.
@@carolinusTG that was definitely English, and not a cryptic strawman. It's only a strawman if you conflate scientific consensus with absolute fact or truth. The reality is that scientists are only saying that these are the best explanations they have come up with as of yet. But they aren't absolute standards, or an absolute claim.
@@TheAugustBurnsRedFan derp derp, words have meanings for a reason. The best scientific consensus is what is considered factual whereas nothing stated in that book has been demonstrated in any sort of fashion and nothing beyond feelings have ever been expressed by anyone arguing for the existence of a god, much less a christian one. Ham is a grifter, just like every preacher, and there is more proof of that in existence, than proof of a god.
I find it interesting that Bill compares Noah to shipbuilders from this age. Apparently, he does not consider the idea that God could show Noah how to build a ship. It's not like He didn't communicate with Noah. The antediluvian people were not as ignorant as Bill assumes they were.
"The antediluvian people were not as ignorant as Bill assumes they were"
This is where the evolutionary world view breaks down.
Evolution of humans, in particular, posits the human animal becoming more advanced, the body lending itself to tool use, the mind expanding and becoming more computationally advanced, etc. In other words, our ancestors couldn't possibly have built the cities, monuments, and marvels of engineering that we can today because they were just not smart enough.
Yet at the same time, they agree on entropy, the 'winding down' or 'heat death' of the universe.
How could everything in existence be going downhill to a lifeless, cold ending, yet humans are rapidly advancing towards...some kind of idealistic state of being? It's pure contradiction.
The Flood was a myth
@thorpeaaron1110 Evolution is a myth . A fairy tale if ever there was one . A cop out to deny a Holy and righteous creator who is going to judge them for their sins .
The flood is an impossible story - it's a myth the same as the creation story.
Proverbs 26:4 KJV, one should not answer a fool according to their folly, as it can lead to becoming like them@@thorpeaaron1110
Pray for Mr.Nye and others that God may reveal His truth to them and save them, if it be His will.
Prayer is a good starting point nevertheless we are commanded to make disciples.
So go and evangelize! Give out tracts or give out million dollar bills with gospel on them!!!
Just a tip, have at least quick small talk first before giving out a tract otherwise it'll be weird to most people and then they'll reject it...
If Jesus were real, I'm sure Ken Ham would have been happy to have him manifest on the stage at the debate to pimp slap Bill Nye before lighting him on fire and keeping him alive throughout the process of agonizing immolation before turning to the camera and saying "look to your elder, skeptics, and worship me, NOW".
@@Nemo12417 No, not everyone is chosen or it isn't Bill's time yet to repent...
We don't know to whom to preach or not to preach because we as Christians don't determine who will be saved and who isn't, that's God Creator Yahweh who made that determination before he made time, mater and life. But a true loving Christian will NEVER stop preaching and teaching.
And please spare me this false claim that Jesus wasn't a real person, check why you believe this nonsense first.
@@ed5117 There probably was a historical person who inspired the Jesus of the Bible, but that person was so different from the character he inspired that I have no issue referring to the latter as fictional. In any case, if Jesus were real and wanted anyone to worship him and was actively willing to supernaturally rewire their brains to make it happen (and if we assume this is the ONLY way that could ever happen), then prayer is pointless. Bill will either be blissfully subjected to Instrumentality from Neon Genesis Evangelion or he won't be, and by your own statements prayer will have no influence on that outcome.
@@Nemo12417
You are a sceptic, aren't you 😊
Don't start explaining humanity's condition with humanity, it's circular reasoning. Start with God first and His word will guide you and IF you experience the pressure of this wicked world and can't seem to understand how it works and why it works the way it does then God's word is definitely able to lead you to the blessed pastures of God's love.
Love this!
That Bill Nye presumes to speak for science is an insult to science.
But it's okay for Ken Ham to speak for creationists?
@@brandonmichael4105 Ken Ham shares his viewpoints and has studied them extensively.
Bill Nye shares a script written by others. He is only a mouthpiece.
@@paulkitchen1300 mhm
This was a great debate. Wasn't this aired several years ago?
debating an actor who plays the part of a 'scientist' is not a debate - it's theater.
Yea, the link in the bio is to the full debate 9years ago. It was successful and noone wants to debate this anymore, it seems. So they revisit the topic as they can.
This actor has a BS in Mechanical Engineering from Cornell University where he studied under Carl Sagan, a renowned scientist who think "We are made of starstuff."@@TheFissionchips
@@MikeMullins77 exactly.
@@MikeMullins77 the renowned FREEMASON Sagan. lol. Still, Ham couldn't find anyone who isn't an actor/liar to debate?
22:19 this is from 2014 - Ken couldn't have imagined how much the word 'science' is hijacked now!
What I thought when he said this.
“Science” was not hijacked. We all stayed within it while fundamentalist Christians hopped ship because the science didn’t confirm their bias. You know that most of the founders of these theories were Christians? They didn’t deny what they had found. They simply accepted it and assumed God did it somehow. Darwin was a Christian. Hell, Gregor Mendel was a priest! These men made massive contributions to the field of biology and they did so with faith.
Genesis is literally written as a Hebrew poem. It’s obviously not meant to be taken literally. Most Jews don’t even believe it’s literal. If Jesus could talk in parables then why can’t God?!
@@leroyjenkins3744 "We all stayed within it while fundamentalist Christians hopped ship because the science didn’t confirm their bias." And yet most "scientists" think that humans were once monkeys, they know the age of the earth, and creating something out of absolutely nothing is possible, even when directly contradicting the 1st law of thermodynamics.
@@_help_me_please_first of all humans are apes. By every definition we are apes. It’s just taxonomy
Second of all we know the approximate age of the earth. We don’t know the exact age. We do know with like 99.99% certainty it’s not 6,000 though.
Third of all science does not claim everything came from nothing. That’s what Christians believe. As you stated, the first law of thermodynamics says energy is neither created nor destroyed. The law of conservation of matter says similar things about matter. Matter is just condensed energy so the image of a universe with zero entropy and the simplest form of matter condensing and increasing entropy isn’t too hard to imagine if you understand quantum physics or chemistry.
Now on to what Christians believe. They think we were made out of mud, light was formed before the sun, everything in existence came from nothing (even tho that breaks the first law of thermodynamics), and that the world is 6,000 years old even though we’ve found cities from 10,000 years ago and cave paintings from 50,000 years ago.
@@_help_me_please_, humans are great apes, not monkeys.
Science has never claimed something can come from nothing. The Big Bang Theory is not something from nothing. It never has been this and never will be this.
Your ignorance of science is not evidence against it.
Many People of all faiths have no issues with science. And accept it. Many of science great breakthroughs have come from religious people.
“I was interested in truth from the point of view of salvation just as much as in truth from the point of view of scientific certainty. It appeared to me that there were two paths to truth, and I decided to follow both of them.” - George’s Lemaitre
A simple thought experiment: If we could start human development over and over again 1000 times at the beginning of us being human, what % of the time would we write the same exact stories that appear in the Bible compared with the % of times we would reach the same scientific theories as we have now?
To me the answer is obvious.
Great thought experiment! One of the foundations of science is repeatability, replicating someone's experiment and getting the same result. Sound conclusions rely on sound evidence, and the avoidance of personal or confirmation bias. Faith on the other hand relies too much on imagination and personal feelings or intuition. The results are clear: science produces a general concensus about our universe, how it works and how we can improve our lives, and it works! Whereas faith is stuck interpreting ancient texts, dividing into more and more camps and endless arguments about who has the right "truth."
but you can't, you create a game with your rules, in which chance rules. It's a deceptive trick. Chance does not exist, there is no intention in chance, it is based on the assumption that evolution is a fact. Your argument, your logic and your "obvious answer" is pathetic.
@@jarsa4099 Your argument is based on your beliefs. Faith. No way to prove anything. That's your right, of course.
My point has nothing to do with what you "debunked." I'm simply saying that humans studying the world around them would eventually reach the same conclusions-that the earth is a sphere, we revolve around our sun, 2+2=4 in whatever language one would think of, if you drop a rock it falls to the ground, and on and on and...
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Gobekli Tepe, recently unearthed in Turkey, is approximately 30,000 years old.
These numbers you are getting from humans that made up the way to figure that out. Nobody saw that tree 30,000 years ago because nobody was here that long ago
What method was used to arrive at 30,000 years?
Being part of the justice system at one point...using csi is a horrible example.
LOL... agreed. What part of the justice system were you a part of? I was too. Jury duty. But I'm guessing you mean something a little bit more relevant. 😉
Ridiculous is a better term
@@nwkcanada what do you mean? Who is? What is? And why?
You don’t think forensic science is a good comparison to determining what happened in the past? Why?
Bill sure is gonna be in for a big surprise when he dies... i sure wish i could be there when he realizes that he physically died, but he actually does have a spirit that continues on.
What’s he in for?
@@bn2870 Prognosis: Not good.
@@GarlemaldInformatum according to people who believe a guy built an ark to house all of the animals on the earth and lived for 900+ years? 😂👌🏻
A bit sadistic of a wish for one of God’s loving flock isn’t it?
@@bn2870 Yes, actually.
Is this new or a re-upload?
Its an edited version of the old debate fron 2014. Nothing new here.
@@friisteching3433 thanks, I had a feeling I've seen it before lol
Oh my! Ken Hamm, you did very well trying to explain your position. However, maybe helping Bill Nye to know that the Bible is a compilation of many books written over time and indeed are not all the books written, for instance, are in the Roman Catholic Bible, the Protestant Bible, the Greek Orthodox Bible, and various others... but were compiled by men of old, some even after the appearance of the Christ. For instance, before the Christ, the Hebrews had compiled the Torah.
Creation was of God and by God.
I pray that Mr. Nye would investigate further and not let the science of men be his one and only god. I believe it might cause him trouble later on, when he meets the one true God.
6:33 you (Nye) forget that fossils are dead animals - they can't 'swim up' to another layer after they're buried
Especially rapidly like a giant flood of greater proportions than tsunamis.
Also, animal corpses have different densities. Mammals float, crustaceans sink
😂😂😂😂. That’s not helping 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@johannesstephanusroos4969 The crustaceans were already on the bottom of the oceans... feeding.
The fish were next cos they were already underwater and above the crustaceans.
The insects got washed out of the air and trodden underfoot / swamped.
The larger slower animals got overrun quicker than faster more nimble animals.
Faster animals were able to outrun the rising waters... for a while.
The birds floated cos their wings are full of air and are light before becoming water logged and finally sinking.
The geologic column does not actually exist anywhere, there are contradictions to the above order found all over the world, it's almost like the creatures got caught in a massive washing machine, with mass "fossil graveyards" containing all the different creatures all mixed up 🤔
And the cap on the whole thing is that they are ALL found in SEDIMENTARY rock (wet mud).
Logic simply cannot be included when dealing with evolutionists, it destroys their model at every turn.
And as an addendum re Nye's claim about the ice layers... I'm a snowboarder, there can be several different layers of snow in any season, it's not like tree rings with one per year! Just FYI 🙂
I had these same thoughts. In Wisconsin there are evidence of the flood, in sediment, sandstone, all over the place, 2000+ft above the sea level. Just another factor.
Nye keeps saying "American English version", over and over as if this means something. What he fails to mention is the dead sea scrolls and how amazing it was to see how little the difference was. Also Nye doesn't understand the poetry of psalms as songs and prayers by David. Which shows he hasn't read it. If you're going to debate a book with someone, the least you can do is read it. Another point Nye ignored was the depth of the plane that was recovered in the ice. That blows his statements about how long it took to lay down ice.
You have been sold a dud there - the Dead Sea Scrolls are remarkably altered compared to the versions we have - just in the book of Isaiah there are 43 alterations to major words or phrases.
Stop showing how foolish you are.
@@StudentDad-mc3pu While we have far more evidence to work with, if the Scrolls taught us anything about Old Testament scripture, it is generally true that the older the manuscripts the more varied they become. Simply put: human scribes were not photocopiers and no two manuscripts are the same. Scribes copied texts but also interpreted them. That was their job. It wasn’t trickery or introducing error at every turn. This often resulted in slow growth of biblical texts with manuscripts having relatively modest variations in content. A word here, a phrase there, and in some cases, more than one edition of a book circulated. To many modern readers, this might sound like a major problem. It is not a problem.
No 2 eye witnesses ever say the exact same thing. If there is enough evidence that they saw the same event, we wouldn't expect them to repeat word-for-word what each other saw.
So there is no issue if a word or a phrase was off. It didn't change the message.
@StudentDaf-mc3pu the book of Isaiah was 95% the same we have in our bibles now. The 5% were misspellings and did have a different word every now and then but it did not change the meaning of the scripture/text.
Most all of the Torah is written in poetry and songs. If you ever listen to a Jewish reading it’s always in song structure. Genesis is like this too. It’s pretty obvious it was meant a story to explain the world. Every culture has them. You guys just won’t accept it
The difference between a actor and a scientist.. it shows.
@razark9 you're joking right?
Lol Right! Ken Ham obliterate Bill Nyes lack of intelligence!@@IrishBlueBear
Right! Bill acting like he knows by lying and Ken Ham shows his intelligent and expert knowledge that based by true facts and evidence. Difference is obvious as night and day!
Embarrassing yourself just like Bill unless your comedian and like being laughed at, bad joke either way@@razark9
@bigd-ui6zs bill had no chance lol he just looks stupid speaking out of emotion instead of stating facts and giving real evidence like Ken. There's a big IQ gap between them..
Is this a new debate or the one from 2014?
Romans 1:22 KJV
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools
That's a perfect description of nye!
@@vld7850 amen!
Man, Ken must think himself immensely wise then
Wow! I’m surprised Nye said the words “boy” and “girl.” 🤣 But really, pray the Lord would change his heart!
This is an old debate, he has been thoroughly indoctrinated to the current culture by now.
Wow, using a book that doesn't have a single event to be proven real, to then use it to control people to your liking is just satanic. I'll pray for you🙏
You can be LGBT inclusive and believe in boys and girls. Most Trans people themselves believe in those two things, cause they don't feel like they're the one or the other., which is why they trans....ision 😊
@@banemaler Bummer!
@@J383nah yes the LGBT cult and religion lol
The Ark's HVAC system must have been nothing short of extraordinary, seamlessly orchestrating a delicate balance to ensure the comfort and well-being of its diverse inhabitants amid the challenges of a floating sanctuary.
How can anyone believe the bible in the 21st century? 🤦
So in his opening speech Bill Nye tries to say that historical science is just a construct of Dr. ham. Actually for starters that isn't true. There actually is something called historical science and is different from observational science.
The only difference between the secular idea and the creationist idea on historical science is, secularists believe that both can be intertwined while creationists do not. Reason being is stated multiple times by creationists and makes perfect sense. #1 You cannot observe the past. Especially in what they like to call deep time. Millions to billions of years ago. #2 you can only assume that conditions during that time were similar to the conditions that we have today and expect that experiments in today's environment would mimic exactly what would have happened millions to billions of years ago. #3 so one thing creationists have done is point out how this is not only not provable but highly unlikely. Bill Nye does a terrible job in his opening statement as he never addresses these points. 🙏🙏🙏
Jesus!!!
Science: many, MANY scientists present findings with evidence to further understand the past that can help us understand where we are today.
Christians: My BoOk ThAt DoEsN't CoNTaIn AnY pRoVaBlE fAcTs SaYs ThE eArTh Is 6,000 YeArS oLd. 🤤...
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@@Moist._Robot look up historical science. That simply is not true 🙂🙏✝️
I can't believe I actually watched Bill Nye growing up as a kid. The guy is just full of nonsense.
Why do you think that?
He's just another mean pretender like Dawkins.
Now, go one step further and as HOW he wound up on your TV? Who suppprted him? Why was the lie fed to you? You are finally on the path to understanding American "science" education.
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@@weltschmerzistofthaufig2440look up Nye’s credentials- he wasn’t any kind of “science guy.”- his degree is in mechanical engineering. Worked for Boeing, he has no scholarly credentials in “The Science” pablum that he secretes.
There are 2 that influence how we live...the good comes from God n evil comes from Satan.
God gives us freedom to choose
"We need to define terms correctly." ok... like "Is magic a viable source of logical and reasonable explanation to the universe?"
Actually magic* would fit, but it would also fit for the description of your DNA and molecular physiology.
And the environment in which we interact daily....
So.. while you thought you had a *gotcha
You're actually just magic yourself.... So....
Yea...
The question is the same
Ok, can you show me the multiverse, secularists say its real and we need to deal with it, you see the fine tunning issue is a big problem for secularists, their answer a multiverse, where there are an infinite number of universes, and we just happened to get one where everything is just right for life to be possible.
But I sure would like to see another universe, but we are told that even with the very best technology possible we can never see another universe because they are moving away from each other incredibly fast.
We are scolded for our belief in the supernatural, a good definition of which is 1: of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe.
So we are mocked and made fun of for our belief of existence beyond the visible observable universe.
Gee that sounds just like the multiverse, it is also a thing of existence beyond the visible observable universe, when Christians believe in an existence above and beyond that which is natural we are mocked and made fun of for that belief, but when scientists go there we are told its real and we had better deal with it.
“‘The multiverse is not some kind of optional thing, like can you supersize or not,’ says Raphael Bousso, a theoretical physicist at the University of California, Berkeley. Our own cosmological history, he says, tells us that ‘it's there and we need to deal with it.”
Robert Adler. Ultimate guide to the multiverse.
New Scientist. 28 November 2011.
The magic multiverse explains away the myriad of fine tuning problems like the waving a of a magicians wand, presto chango magic multiverse now appear!!!
@@dennishagans6339 no one scolded anyone for believing in a multiverse. Lol
You're being to much
@@shxpsixcreative4318
You missed the whole point.
We are told that only natural processes that can be observed are valid for discussion in scientific circles, the multiverse no matter how good our tech becomes is unobservable period, all of the infinite universes are moving away from each other so fast, so they can never be observed.
Oh dear what was that definition again? um gee oh ya: supernatural, a good definition of which is 1: of or relating to an order of existence beyond the visible observable universe.
The multiverse is supernatural, it is impossible to observe it, it is conjecture, hypothesis, a flight of fancy, FAITH!!! atheists hatched the multiverse to fix their dilemma of the fine tunning issue, because if any one of many cosmological constants were changed by fractions our universe would be unsuitable for life, so they hatched the multiverse to answer the fine tunning issue.
They themselves who have stated many times over only natural observable processes and or things that can be repeated in a lab count, so to save themselves from the fine tuner they have hatched the unobservable unprovable multiverse because the big bang theory needs it or they are stuck with a fine tuner.
That is the whole point, atheists are invoking something they disapprove of, something unobservable to save the big bang theory from the fine tunning issue. no multiverse and they have to deal with the insurmountable fine tunning issue.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
God could be using technology.
Wow Bill nye makes all assumptions that are not true.
as ?
You mean assumptions that you disagree with
You were asked by two different people to give an example. So far you have given none. What assumption did he make that wasn't true? You've had 50 upvotes for making an assumption that isn't true, honestly! Talk about sheep.
What is one thing Bill said here that is not true? That is scientifically proven to be false?
To the question of what could convince them of being wrong:
Bill Nye said: Evidence
Ken Ham said: Nothing
Enough said
Ken knows that you won't present any evidence to prove him wrong. Bill literally denied the evidence that was presented to him.
@@CelticSpiritsCovenLike what? Where did Ken present evidence?
@@Jewonastick You obviously didn't comprehend the video. I don't have to spell it out for you.
In fact, don't waste our time by posting about subjects that are so far above your head. You aren't elite.
😂 so you had time to respond and then reply to his response, but you don't have time to show evidence for your claim you just intellectual grand stand like your better because he's didn't see where you side showed any evidence.
@@CelticSpiritsCovenAfter that statement, why would I? He literally admits that no amount of evidence can convince him otherwise. The evidence I'd show would be for their flock; but after AIG lied about Evolution to them for decades, I'd first have to undo the lies and have them understand Evolution, because without that my evidence wouldn't be worth much. Which is a losing battle 90% of the time because they wish to remain in their ignorance.
Why is Ney claiming that the Bible being translated into American English makes it invalid? What language does science need to be written in for science to be valid?
Translating something in the same way as the Bible, will always change the meaning. You cannot know which translation of a word is the correct one. The "day" is Genesis for example could also be translated as a stretch of time.
Science uses English in general. But even if needed to be translated, you can contact the author to clarify which meaning is the correct one when doing the transition.
Do you know what religious people should have as a song or theme? "Fairytales will come true, they will happen to you, if you're young at heart"!
@@Who_IsLike_God A fairytale is a story that is probably not true! So, how can you even say that. The Bible is full of those stories!
@Who_IsLike_God oh, now wait a minute. Scientist just found evidence that a large meteor hit the ocean 5000 years ago near Australia. This could have caused the worldwide flood the Bible calls Noah's. See the giant tidal waves around the known world could if devastated cities near the oceans. So, a real occurrence may have inspired the fairytale.
Ken hamm was clear n open. Bill nye assumes n confuses. Bill nye's laughter reminds me of reminds me of 1 Corinthians 14:20.
Ken Ham delivered the Gospel in under 5 minutes
He certainly didn't deliver any science, that's for sure.
Sounds like his been on the Columbian marching powder. 🤧
It's an impressive linguistic feat for sure. They're both too entrenched in their views. They were both open minded once, took hold of the truths they found in science and religion, and then shut the door to the other. The ideal mentality is to be, paradoxically, skeptically open-minded, to all information.
@@Censoredbyyourcult He quoted scientific data and went through the evidence as a scientist would go through a scene. That is also science whether you agree with his perspective or not.
@@Censoredbyyourcult He totally delivered science. Be careful how you throw around the cult label.
You need to disclose that this is an old debate.
"Avoid the irreverent babble and contradictions of what is falsely called science, for by professing it (Evolution) some have swerved from the faith." --1 Tim. 6:20
@@Moist._Robot God's word --the bible, is reality. Ape to Man Evolution is the myth.
31:03
How can Bill not be aware of the Lost squadron that disproves his argument here??? Each layer isn’t a summer winter cycle, it’s layers of warm and cold which happens many times each year. And to make it worse, he is talking to the guy who was in charge of the magazine that first published this story 😂😂😂😂😂
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53:19
Ken Ham is talking about the lost Squadron here 😊
Yeah the p38 was 270 feet under in fifty years almost three feet a year. in some places it could be less or more, then this fact is completely ignored
Ken doesn't understand ice cores. He thinks you measure LAYERS of ice with a RULER, so to disprove LAYERS of ice, he talks about the rapid build-up of FEET of ice and snow, and then just moves on. He doesn't understand that you can MEASURE the different layers, regardless of the thickness of any given layer.
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Ken is leaving out that there were thousands of layers counted and if dated by conventional means would have healers an age of 175 (ish) thousand years.
Perhaps you should research something before you comment on it
Why are we re-editing and posting this 9-year-old debate? The debate is worth watching, I won't deny that, as Bill Nye asks questions of Ken Ham, that Mr. Ham outright dodges and dances around the entire time. There is a lot of carful dancing around done in Ken Ham's Answers in Genesis, from an outside looking in perspective, it's a puzzle, being carefully designed, to fit within the borders of the Bible. So, if he has to take the bible as fact that the earth is 6000 years old, then every single detail has to be adjusted for that to be true. Ice age? Result of the flood! Yet at no point in the bible a supposed historical infallible text has any mention of a long lasting freeze over the earth. The majority of Scientists he references are scientists in name, and the fact that they use the scientific method in their work I'm sure, but pay attention to their area of expertise, they are all Engineers. Inventors. They follow a trend of 'were scientists despite being creationists look at us see how impressive our acts have been'
Pay close attention to the body language of both Bill Nye, and Ken Ham, through the entire Debate. Especially during the 30 minute segments where each gets to pose their reasoning in full. At all times Bill Nye is attentive, actively listening, and even taking notes. [I would love to see the notes he took personally.] On the contrary Ken Ham's body language displays a simple lack of interest. Resting his head on his fist, a facial expression that appears to be without any significant thought or contemplation. Not a single time does he take a note on what Bill Nye says. It's all entirely of no interest to him.
The most dangerous thing I felt while listening to this debate, was Ken Ham's Answer to the question "What would it take to change your view." And his answer boiling down to "I'm a Christian, Nothing will change my view." While Bill Nye just says it loud and clear, Evidence, show me proof that what we know is wrong and we will celebrate and sing. Paraphrasing of course, but that difference between them is so critical, and as Ken Ham scoffs at how many articles separate Creationist's in the argument with statements like "Academic's vs Creationist's" I hate to be the one to say it, as hurtful as it may seem, I agree with that fundamental separation for this argument, in science, we change our belief on new knowledge. Where the creationist, can be given new knowledge, but if it conflicts with their world view, then that new knowledge must be flawed, or fabricated. And the most scary statement Ken Ham repeated many times. "We must Teach Children the RIGHT way to think."
I agree with Bill Nye, Ken Ham's arguments are concerning, and deeply troubling.
Everything was made in 7 days, just because humans can't completely comprehend how this was achieved doesn't mean that an all knowing creator couldn't have just made it happen. God is God and can do anything and he created the laws of nature so why couldn't he alter those laws to create what he wanted to create the way he wanted to create it
57:51 that's the second time Bill claims that Ken said natural law has changed - Ken didn't say that - to what is he referring?
Nye argues against the strawman he constructed, not against the man in front of him
He refers to phenomena that we observe today at set rates (ex:tree ring formation). He says these suggest the earth is far older than 6,000 years old. Ken says that these do not prove the earth is older because we weren’t there in the past to observe these rates so they could have been different. It’s called shifting the goal posts
@leroyjenkins3744 if you are referring to the supposedly 9k year old tree, that was not aged with tree ring counting, it was done with carbon14 dating
@@aaronadamson7463and? Carbon dating is also what Ken claims didn’t always work like we observe currently. There’s no evidence to suggest that carbon14 decay has ever been a different rate. It’s a well researched and tested method that has limitations, but in the case of that 9,000 year old tree, it is a a accurate as we can get it. Also there is a tree that we did use ring dating to find it to be about 5,000 years old. I’m sure Ken would be in full support of tree ring dating if it confirms his young earth. Ken only accepts science when it confirms his preconceived opinions.
@@leroyjenkins3744 Not to mention that processes like radioactivity rely on fundamental constants which, if altered, either completely destabilizes all matter, or releases so much heat energy as to turn the entire surface of Earth into molten lava, depending on how you try to make up physics to comport with a young Earth.
Mr. Nye's argument is based on emotion rather than science. Note Mr. Nye does not have the educational background as a scientist. He is a performer - nothing more.
Is it possible Ken Ham is wrong?
I love the part where Nye makes a big effort to romanticize the need for the search for answers by describing a student making discoveries and Ham deflates all that by saying there’s already a about it😂. Don’t Mr. Nye. We’re not going to do away with science, we’re just going to keep God in the equation 😊. Hallelujah! Amen
@@JesusSaves86AB I think you're talking about Ken Ham. He eat from the Tree of knowledge and hands the fruit to children. not the Tree of Life.
@@ddrseit's worth looking at the actual data. I've studied this for years, but I was blessed to have no predisposition towards either (even though I was raised in an atheist home - the logic and evidence were clear)
I encourage you to do your own research
@ddrse you came to this video with blinders on and precon notion that you're right and everything else is wrong.
There's absolutely no way you listened to the video.
I noticed that all creationists can do in this comment section is heap insults at the venerable Bill Nye. That's quite telling.
Also mr Ken should have attacked the presuppositions necessary for scientific pov to work, and how we adopt them without questioning in very early age and how it's usually appealing and not justifying.
On the other hand Bill could give evidence that concepts have meaning and relationship wit objectiveh reality and can be known
Ken should attack the presupposition that the natural world exist? That we can learn about the natural world? That the natural world will be consistent?
The word of God always "wins"
AMEN!
and that word is the bible , right ? but do you ever question who put it together, and chose to leave out other books ??? nah, just blindly trust those unknown ppl anyway..right ?
Nice quotation marks lol.
I have always loved how evolutionists reject an all powerful God but believe that time can be all powerful instead.
Oh, man that's an excellent Observation. Time is the evolution god.
@@razark9A Do you know what an ad hominem is, good sir?
You guys never engage in real debate, only attacks, slanders, ridicule - because at the end of the debate, that is all you got.
@@razark9 Y’all do believe that time is all powerful. That’s why you insist on millions/billions of years. That’s why none of you can point to anything truly evolving in recent history.
What a vacuous comment, Vagus. Time is not "all powerful", it's an observed fact of nature that time exists -- it's not spouting incantation spells, going abracadabra, to WILL things into being like your god. Processes occur over time and it's demonstrable that some processes require significant periods of time to transpire. That's it. Your dislike of robust foundational scientific models doesn't mean you can call whatever you want like it's a pejorative.
@@Vagus32000 The flu virus changes every year. COVID-19 had many variants. Bacteria can evolve/mutate to become resistant to antibiotics. So yes in recent history life can evolve.... But you don't believe any of that. Education has failed you.
Ken Ham got absolutely dragged 💀
Now tell me a cowboy joke
Bill Nye doesn't understand the creation concept and he demonstrated that. You can't drag someone if you don't know what you're talking about.
@@snake5305 Ham hasn’t given any sufficient evidence to prove his claim the creationist origin theory. How could heave proved it? With science and measurement! Do you think it’s weird Ham has to delve into the meaning of words and philosophy instead of showing actual evidence?
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If you think Nye doesn't understand creationism, you are out of your league and shouldn't even be posting a response.
@@h00dielogic42Bill Nye didn’t disprove creationism.
Bills arguments weren’t even arguments, it was more like pouting
Intellectual snobbiness because he "knows" he is right. It's very common in reformed/calvinist circles as well.
@@Astroqualia yea I’ve seen John macArthur act the same way.
Kinda hard to argue with someone who denies science
@@leroyjenkins3744 who’s denying science???
@@TruthandnothingbutTHEtruth.Ken. Like all the time. It’s actually more rare to see him accurately portray science than not
I so loved how he slipped in the Gospel.
you mean "smuggled"
true followers of Christ just cant help it :)
@@lucypevensie6284yeah we know
“Woe is unto me, if I preach not the gospel!” 1 Corinthians 9:16
@@SheepofChrist818it also says not to boast and evangelical Christians are ironically not exactly known for their humbleness
Great slides and presentation of the gospel to Ken, well done!
If all animals of a certain type are in the same aged layer does that mean that all sediments on Earth were the same geological age when those animals lived (unlike what we currently observe)? Or did all these animal types have the same/similar density and settled out of a flood at the same rate (by the way animals don't swim after death/drowning)?
Kentucky is Florida north... sad.
To tell you how unsincere Nye was during this debate, he left out of the conversation that the Wyoming was operational for 14 years before it sank. The Ark didn't have sails and only had to be seaworthy for year.
In this debate Nye promised to "Parchute a team of experts in to analyze any site claiming to be Noahs Ark."
He has yet to follow thru on the Durpinar site with such an Air Aaault.
@frankslim592 Ham dismissed the site without doing a complete Forensic and Archaeological investigation.
Others, like Andrew Jones and the University of Ankara weren't so quick to write it off.
Most Scientists dismiss the Durpinar site simply because of who made the finding...Ron Wyatt, a Nashville Nurse Anesthetist who spent his own money for his research trips and never submitted ONE Grant Proposal. He wasn’t out for fame or a Nobel Prize.
Most Christians, like Ham, who also reject the site do so because they have Doctrinal differences with 7th Day Adventists.
"Science" is supposed to be about "The Truth" regardless of who's ox gets gored in the process.
@udhehfhehcuw9169 Nope. The Flood Account is History, Geology, Genetic and Archaeological.
Noahs Ark National Park
39°26'30"N 44°12'52"E
Noah's Homestead
39°37'56.27"N 43°59'3.96"E
@udhehfhehcuw9169 Genetics proves the Bible
Science 1997, "Calculating the Mitochondrial Clock"
"For example, researchers have calculated that "mitochondrial Eve"--the woman whose mtDNA was ancestral to that in all living people--lived 100,000 to 200,000 years ago in Africa. Using the new clock, she would be a mere 6000 years old.
No one thinks that's the case, but at what point should models switch from one mtDNA time zone to the other?"
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Human Y-DNA proves the Bible
Karmin, et al 2015
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Dog DNA proves the Bible
Origins of dogs traced by Matthew Binns Animal Health Trust.
Friday, 22 November, 2002, 05:03 GMT
By Christine McGourty
BBC science correspondent
"It looks as if 95% of current dogs come from just three original founding females"
Three research teams have attempted to solve some long-standing puzzles in the evolution and social history of dogs.
Their findings, reported in the journal Science, point to the existence of probably three founding females - the so-called "Eves" of the dog world.
They conclude that intensive breeding by humans over the last 500 years - not different genetic origins - is responsible for the dramatic differences in appearance among modern dogs."
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Mitochondrial CO1 gene of over 100,000 animal types proves the Bible
Far from special: Humanity's tiny DNA differences are 'average' in animal kingdom
by Rockefeller University
Experts have interpreted low genetic variation among living humans as a result of our recent expansion from a small population in which a sequence from one mother became the ancestor for all modern human mitochondrial sequences," says Dr. Thaler.
"Our paper strengthens the argument that the low variation in the mitochondrial DNA of modern humans also explains the similar low variation found in over 90% of living animal species-we all likely originated by similar processes and most animal species are likely young."
Genetic variation does not increase with population
The study results represent a surprise given predictions found in textbooks, and based on mathematical models of evolution, that the bigger the population of a species, the greater the genetic variation one expects to find.
"Is genetic diversity related to the size of the population?" asks Dr. Stoeckle. "The answer is no. The mitochondrial diversity within 7.6 billion humans or 500 million house sparrows or 100,000 sandpipers from around the world is about the same."
@frankslim592 No, the Epic Of Gilgamesh and 200 other Flood Accounts derived from the singular account described in the Bible.
What the Sumerians got right was the GPS coordinates of the Durpinar site which has been dedicated as "Noah's Ark National Park" on 20 Jun 1987 by the Turkish Government.
3D Ground radar scans and shallow excavations have proven that the 3-story, 515 foot long Ark made of laminated wood and metal alloy rivets is encased in an ancient landslide.
@@Moist._Robot Don't just bury your head in sand and accept the Pablum you're fed. Do your own research on places like Shuruppak, Iraq
And the Noah's Ark Scans website
How did kangaroos and koalas get to Australia without land bridges!?!? I guess Nye, the SciFi Guy hasn't heard of the Great Ice Age!
Also look at the continental shelves. Very possible that they were not always underwater and they would make good land bridges in many places.
Lot of the water was underground. Maybe the poles had lot more ice on it that made most of the land bare. After the flood God told man to seperate and fill the earth. There is scripture that explain that. Saw that on one of these religious docs. People were able to move around because the land was less divided before the poles melted. So they said it was an ice land recently.
@@sterlingfallsproductions3930 lol um how many humans have left foot prints that'll be able to be observed thousands of years from now? Even the hollywood squares will probably be buried under radioactive waste. And yet you want to see the specific trail some kangroo took thousands of years ago from the ark to Australia?
It surprises me how behind the curve Nye is. Almost all modern geologic debaters have accepted the Great Flood as universal OR have conflated it with the Younger-Dryas. While they may not be totally sold on the timing as described by Genesis, they at least note that too many cultures have this flood story for it to be coincidence.
Neither have I at least not in the Bible!
Question: Who called who for the debate?
God. This debate was predestined
I am Christian who has always been interested in Science. I am so happy there are scientists like Ken Ham who tie the word of God to Science showing that Science is the biggest evidence of God & His Word.
If Ham have to ignore scientific facts, twist other scientific facts, Ham is no longer doing science.
Actually Ken Ham has stated that is there is anything that science says and it goes against the Bible then he will have to believe in the Bible vs what science says.
Ken has forsaken his science. He doesn't tie it in if it contradicts the Bible....that is dishonest and a lie....
Of if you don't believe me, it is part of the AIG statement of faith. Note Ham never did anything with his science education, he was a highschool science teacher...He has no papers, no studies....nothing.
We should trust The Science. Lol
@@Ban_Helmers we should verify the data. On both side, and look at that, creationism failed the verification process.
@@Ban_Helmers You trust science. The device you are typing on, the car/bus/plane you ride in. Your clothing, house, and everything in it.
The Doctor/Optometrist/Dentist, Everything we have around us is based on science and you trust it.
However how can you not trust it, most scientists are theist, not to trust god's children is a slight against god I would imagine. I know I would be ticked.
Funny how believers trust god so little, pray for god to fix your ailments and stop going to the Doctor.
Just goes to show theists lack faith more than they are willing to admit.
Ken Ham answers questions. Bill Nye answers questions by insulting Ken Ham, like a child.
It's all they ever do. My own personal experience with evolutionists usually goes like this...
1. We have loads of evidence for evolution (but proceeds to provide none). What evidence do you have for creation?
2. Provides example of evidence for creation. What evidence do you have for evolution.
3. Go to 1.
@@AndrewFosterSheff69 i can provide evidence for evolution in a heartbeat, but your kind disregard it and then deny we gave it in the first place. No logic to your argument tactics, so much that you cant even critically evaluate your own assertion, if you want a debate about it im here.
What insults? Do you for example mean when he points out how impossible Ken Ham's claims are? That's not insults. Maybe it feels like insults to you, because you believe those impossible things?
Suffer the little children.
True Bill just attacks with insults and accuses Ken falsely but gives no real evidence what he does bring up is not true or makes no sense. Bill gets so frustrated because he knows in his heart and soul he's wrong and can't defend what he saying.Hes embarrassed.
I watched the full debate some years ago as well as the one while Mr. Nye and Mr. Ham were walking through the Ark Encounter. While both were civil, I agree with all of Mr. Nye's points. If humans and dinosaurs coexisted, as Mr. Ham claims, how come no fossils of humans and dinosaurs have turned up in the same geologic layer?
Likewise, a global flood was impossible roughly 5,000 years ago, since there are historical records of civilizations thriving. Not dying. The Egyptians were going into their second dynasty and started construction on the Great Pyramid at that time. Not to mention the Yazidi calendar has been going on for over 6,000 years as though the people were never wiped out.
Finally, there is no contemporary historical evidence for Jesus. Isn't it odd how a miracle worker who attracted large crowds went completely unnoticed during his lifetime?
This is why evidence matters when one asserts his/her beliefs as truth. Ham has not offered any reason to believe other than the Bible says so. The Bible, as well as every other holy book, is just a claim. There has to be evidence outside the source to back it up.
Different strokes for different folks! As for me and my house we will serve the Lord Jesus Christ! Amen! ✝️
What if I told you that organizations such as the Smithsonian have been hiding and lying about a lot of discoveries. Take Giants, for example. They've been acquiring the bones and hiding their existence for a very long time. Lied about finding mummies in pyramids. I could go on. Point is, who's to say they have been telling the truth about what they find in which rock layers?
The Bible is inspired word of God written by over 40 people in 66 books that back up either don't contradict and it's truth. Just read it and may God open your eyes!
actually they do appear with fossils you don't hear about it often, but, yes they do
there are several sites dedicated to talking about the contradictions in the books, I believe that gods word would certainly be perfect, not backtalking different things.@@amyunick5674
I praise God for saving my soul! JESUS CHRIST died for the sins of the whole world so that all could be saved and have eternal life!
Bill Nye is a classic example of a person described in Paul's letter to the church in Rome; Professing themselves to be wise they became fools and exchanged the glory of God for a lie.
Information predates the Universe, Bill can't explain how information got here.
That is KEY, nothing cannot "create" anything just look at computers that is the same as DNA there cannot be a programmer without a creator
What is information? Define it
@@leroyjenkins3744 Maybe we can define it together, each particle caries information, speed, spin, mass for example I would maybe define Information as the quantifiable properties of elements of the universe? How do you have a big bang without energy? The amount of energy would be information
@@TheDjnatronicthanks for the kind reply. Most people just reply by insulting intelligence, but you seem genuine. I would agree that a partial gives us information via speed, spin, mass, etc. I would also agree that you can’t have the Big Bang without energy. But I think we need to look to thermodynamics for that question. Energy cannot be created not destroyed, so that’s simple. There was energy for the Big Bang to, well, bang.
When I think of information, I think of learning something. I think knowing the properties of a particle is information like you do, but I would ask you is the absence of something information too? In the realm of quantum mechanics we see a particle being in two places at once but when observed it’s only in one place. Did we learn anything from that lost particle? I’d say we did. I would argue that there is no “loss of information” in the realm of particles and molecules especially with respect to DNA. A loss or change in a nucleotide in the sequence can massively change the gene translated. This is new information even though we lost something.
To summarize my position, I don’t think information is as physical a concept as you say. It’s more philosophical and metaphysical. Abstract concepts like the lack of something can yield new information. Hope this helps
BN, argument is: "it's not reasonable to me" that is not a meaningful argument, you'd think he'd provide some evidence or at the minimumsomethingthatwouldbe considered logical. As the debate went on his thoughts and arguments never evolved, he never responded to what Dr Ham presented...what I heard from BN : "well this is a great mystery" and "nobody knows why".
I think he was just trying to be respectful.
12 He hath made the earth by his power, he hath established the world by his wisdom, and hath stretched out the heavens by his discretion - KJV - Jeremiah 10:12
Man oh man… the mainstream stuff isn’t flying anymore Nye
Around the 31 minute mark you can see Bill Nye's world view effect his math lol maybe it's not winter summer, winter summer.. maybe it's hot cold, hot cold. There are 365 days in a year and the temperature isn't always the same every day. 140 warmer days throughout the year can account for all those "snow ice" rings. It doesn't need to be winter-summer. It could be dry, rainy, cold, hot multiple times in a single year creating several rings in a single year.
Let's think about this logically, we all can observe that when it snows, it only happens once per day for a measurable amount of time and never snows any other day of the year until 364 days have passed.
Also, there are 2 explanations for the plane under so much snow: 1) the aliens recently revealed in Mexico; 2) we Christians buried it that deep to cover up the lie obviously.
@@allenbrown2482I really hope you're being facetious or maybe you live in Arizona and it really only snows once a year lol
Is this the same debate they had years ago or a new one?
Same one.
How cool though for people who haven't seen it! Those who weren't searching for truth until recently or new Christians or Christians just finding answers in Genesis praise the Lord! Look at the people who viewed it and comments in such short time!
How could there have been sin before knowing what was right and wrong?
@21:52
ham: "you cannot observe the earth in the past"
maybe not, but you can INDIRECTLY evaluate evidence of it:
1) the crustal deposit layers do not lie.
2) since he mentioned the spacecraft looking back at the earth,
we might as well mention the detailed observations of the other planets
and moons. NONE of them appear subject to drastically different physics
nor chemistry but they are all substantially different "worlds" (read: environments)
from the earth. All of them presumably formed relative to the same solar star.
3) yet as such the details of each finding are NOT especially discrete nor
un-explainable by conventional science
4) NONE of them suggest a "worldwide flood" event
5) some of the DO HOWEVER suggest arguably cataclysmic events which
would have likely wiped out life there as we know it, had it existed at the time
6) we also observed at least one such event on jupiter in about 1994
7) and the moon and mercury are both RIFE with evidence that many of those
events took place in the past
8 ) arguably the most violent of which, might have created the asteriod belt
and possibly led to the formation of ring systems around several planets
Good debate from nine years ago. Still applies today. Paul said in Hebrews 13:8, "Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today, and forever." Jesus said in John 10:30, "I and My Father are one.”