16k miles on my 2022 390 adventure. I'm really looking forward to seeing the final product. But I'll wait until 2026. Lots of small/midsize bikes with excellent specs coming out. It's an exciting time.
Nice and thorough. I'm not really even interested in owning this new bike, but I'm certainly intrigued about your thoughts and insights around it. Thanks for sharing.
Hello Paper, Whats your nexyt bike going to be? I have the issue that the 390 treats me well and the last bike I bought DOES NOT. It kind of makes sense for me to invest in another 390! - Frank
@@OneOldManRiding I could go on for an hour about that, and leave you more confused than I am about my upcoming choices. My ultimate goal is to ride from my home in West Palm Beach to California, and perhaps beyond. The Rebel 1100 tugs at my practicality heartstrings, but I know Id hate it afterwards. And I think I need some dirt capability. I sat on the Suzuki 800 (standard) the other day, and I really liked it. Id say it's the current frontrunner. Himalayan 450? Could it do it? It is throttle by wire... The BMW 800GS would be great, but I'd probably be too broke to afford the trip afterwards... What surprises could come at EICMA? A Versys X500 would be hard to say no to.
@@papertiger795 Hmm... i kind of gave up on the dream of a Versys X. I rode the Versys 300X and found it had not quite enough power and bought the 390. I always expected a Versys 400, after all they have the motor. I think Kawasaki just does not see a market for the platform. I recently, in SD rode the BMW 750. It was quite a fun bike. - Frank
@@OneOldManRiding yeah, I am currently on an X300, and that's why I'm taking the big trip in '26, and not next year. It's a great bike otherwise... But 9k rpms at highway speeds (it'll do it all day, but it's unnerving) just doesn't sound pleasant across the width of the great plains.
Hello Tracey, it looks like they are keeping it! Shocking. I have not seen one comment from a person who likes it. Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
Wow fantastic call outs just by looking at the photos mate! The resonator bit was a revelation to me, really hoping it doesn't fail easily as I'm seriously considering this Adv/Enduro as my next bike!
@adr2567 just keep in mind that the catalytic converter is right before the resonator, and some of the deletes don't have room to house it. Some people don't care, but it's a hefty fine where I am if you don't have it.
This is the bike they should have made a few years back. Budget, off-road, adventure with cruise control. Slap a bash plate on change some levers, remove the catalytic converter like on the 790 and 890. Remove rear pegs as well.
Hello Matt, I had a great time looking at those pictures and speculating! Hey, looking for a part time job? I am drowning in comments over here and I need a guy that knows the 390 inside and out! - Frank
Very informative Frank, I consider you and ADV Matt to be the KTM390 gurus. It’s nice that KTM is updating the bike and only time will tell what hits the dealers show room. Many will love the cruise, & tubeless would be great. Japan especially Suzuki regurgitates the same tired overweight designs year after year.
There's rumblings pf a new DRZ400 next year with upside down forks and fuel injection. If Suzuki would throw 10 more hp and a 6 speed tranny into the mix, it would give the KTM 390, RE Himalayan 450 and CFMoto 450 a serious run for their money.
@@jakeviolet2195 Their past history says different. There’s a better chance I’ll grow a full head of wavy lush hair than an updated anything from Suzuki.
@@jakeviolet2195 they need to keep it under 35 kW or 45 hp for EU A2 regulation. But yes, it would be great to have something like a Suzuki DR 400 RS (do you remember DR 650 RS?) With 6 gears
Hello Dave, Suzuki likes to fatten up the VStrom... time to pull the engineer who ran the DR650 design team out of retirement, that fellow understood weight! - Frank
Hello Matt, it seems the production bike is very close to this. Its actually close to the bike from last year that leaked. What have they been doing! Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
390 ADV R is going to be 885mm seat height and 230mm travel ( from the new leaked spec). It will be hard for short riders. I hope standard variant comes with low seat height with 21/18 and 200mm suspension travel 🤞
Be curious to see the weight, and compare to the new ibex. I think that bike is gaining traction, great price too. I suspect this ktm to be in $8500-$9000 range
Really love the new re-design for true adventure riding lower end ADV bike. All the flaws in the design can be fixed. I did most of those fixes to my previous 390 adventure. New exhaust header without the resonator (a must), removed passenger pegs mounts, small engine/frame crash bars, more protective skid plate, tail tidy, Ergo seat, and heated grips. Expecting US MSRP to come in at $8200 for the R version.
Well thought out video, I might be wrong but isn't there some talk that the two versions might have 21/18 wheels and 19/17 wheels, cruise is a good addition, it is the one thing I miss on my 450MT, I think the new 390 looks good, although the low exhaust might be a problem for some.
Helo David, you were correct on the different models. How is the MT treating you? It's the whole package, minus CC. Which seems like a misstep, as CFMoto has been very good about including CC on their bikes. Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
Seems perfect for my needs, aside from the wheel sizes, I want the 1” less. Otherwise fabulous design. I don’t want a dirt bike because I want to do comfortable road miles. But I want something light enough to be able to drag out of, or lift back up or over, if I need to perform these tasks.
There will an adv 390 standard with alloy rims 19" front n 17" inch back. Or the R variant with 21" n 18" spoke trim. Get the alloy for miles munching.
Hello Hair, the lineup is missing the true replacement for the 390 Adventure: 19/17 wheels, full electronics. Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
1. How about a 390 supermoto. 2. How about an affordable RC1290. I know you don't know what affordable means, KTM, but you look like you are capable of learning! You and Honda are seemingly in a contest to see who can overprice their stuff the most, and it looks like you're both winning.
There are ongoing rumors about the 390 supermoto, which has been spotted lately. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that we will see it in the 2025 lineup. That affordable will never happen but I hope when there is a 390sm there will be a 401sm too, which will be cheap when the following year's models are released. However, Husqvarna doesn't make something rc1290ish and I don't feel like they ever will.
@@mermerac Nice! What will the MSRP be? And can you tell me the approximate height and length? I was looking at an article and of some pictures with a rider on it and it looks (hopefully not) smaller than a DRZ400SM (which is what I currently have). I rode a 2014 390 Duke back in 2014 and it was too small for me (knees a bit in my chest). Hopefully the ergos on the 390 frames are better now. It also looks like there is a 2024 KTM RC8, but again, you forgot to price it properly. $42000? Honda CBR1000RR-R is $32000. NFW is there 10K of extra goodies in the RC8.
We bought so many expensive parts for the 390, if I can fit any of them like Hyperpro rear shock (full adjustable), Andreani cartridge and blackdogs pegs. I will think about buying the new model. What are your own thoughts, you too have many parts.
You are probably going to be out of luck, the foot pegs on the new version are straight and not canted forward like the previous version and cause the longer front suspension it will likely have longer rear suspension
Wow that ktm 390 hillclimb instantly sold the bike out. That is the kind of footage from Chris birch that made the original 1190adv s and r a sensation.
A bit late to the party. The market have soaked up Himalayan 450 and CF moto 450 MT. In fact, there is a long list of back orders awaiting delivery 😅😂 I'm sure we will Honda CRF come to the party and now this KTM 390 (unreliable engine issue) along with other manufacturers wanting a piece of 500cc segment. The fact that these major manufacturers did not give what the market has been asking for for years, other brands who stepped up gained loyalty (me and my colleagues). We are a big group of adv riders out of Indonesia and we're very happy with CF MOTO and Himalayan. The majors can now wait ... we got what we asked for 😂
Adv bike exhaust is typically already routed under the bike, but most ktm have the right luggage rack awkwardly pushed out to make room for the high mounted muffler. Under belly is a nice change and makes the bike narrow finally. -1190 adv
Hello James, a truly odd choice. I guess its Bajaj saying "We know you guys are not doing water crossings!" Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
KTM 390 Adv R with 885mm seat height...it's ridicoulous! nobody normal on the planet can manage this bike 😁 it's unbeliveble how the marketing Ktm genius work
The 701 Enduro is 925 mm, and I find that's perfect. Both feet planted flat on the ground. The previous 390 Adv feels cramped when sitting. They will probably offer a lowering kit for the new one as well, but then you will be losing valuable ground clearance.
Yes, this is what the imaginary '490 Adventure' should've been. Huge missed opportunity for KTM. I'm with you on the exhaust mounting, that's just silly; also wondering why they insist on keeping the resonator when so many 390 owners have removed it? The bike is only marginally louder without it. My other thought is, what did they do with the tank size? Clearly the tank on this prototype is much narrower and higher than the 390's. The 390's 3.8 gal tank is a definite plus for range!
Hello Blackdog, with how heavy the Royal Enfield 450, and CFMoto 450 turned out.. I think we are all holding our breaths waiting for this answer! Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
Thank you for the analysis. This is a prototype as you stated and we don't know what the final product will really be like. I think that videos like this adds a voice to the things bike makers should take into account before releasing the final product.
Probably to disguise the final graphics for the upcoming premiere. It's almost certainly not gonna look like that on showroom floor. The orange splash on the seat indicates it will probably come in the traditional orange/black/white KTM color scheme.
I will say that the bike we're seeing now is probably not the production machine. More than likely there will be a few more things different on the final bike.
Maybe KTM, like Honda is coming around to the fact that 99% of riders that buy ADV bikes, especially the smaller displacement models don't use them in any significant off-road way.
It would be great, but they are getting rid of the 690 single because it’s harder to meet new emission standards with it and going to the lc8c platform for a 690 twin
No it is not the bike we have been waiting for. It is another bike destroyed by heavy weight and low hp which stupid euro5/A2 license dictate, morronic low seat. A2 riders, just wait, don't mess the global market!!!!
i love my duke 390, but would like something a bit taller. the adventure does not really do it for me. The 2025 though seems to be inspired by the new Himalayan. I'm sure it'll be a great machine, but just not what I'm looking for.
I still don’t believe a 390 is a true ADV. no way that’s taking a 600 mile pavement journey to get to an M selected off road site. Soon they’ll be saying a 250 is ADV
@ I disagree. Thats why there’s off-road, dual sport, enduro, ADV and street classes and the motorcycles are built for one of those purposes. A bullet bike is not built for off-road so sure, you can take a bullet bike off-road, but it’s never gonna be called an off-road bike
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16k miles on my 2022 390 adventure. I'm really looking forward to seeing the final product. But I'll wait until 2026. Lots of small/midsize bikes with excellent specs coming out. It's an exciting time.
Nice and thorough. I'm not really even interested in owning this new bike, but I'm certainly intrigued about your thoughts and insights around it. Thanks for sharing.
Hello Paper, Whats your nexyt bike going to be? I have the issue that the 390 treats me well and the last bike I bought DOES NOT. It kind of makes sense for me to invest in another 390! - Frank
@@OneOldManRiding I could go on for an hour about that, and leave you more confused than I am about my upcoming choices. My ultimate goal is to ride from my home in West Palm Beach to California, and perhaps beyond. The Rebel 1100 tugs at my practicality heartstrings, but I know Id hate it afterwards. And I think I need some dirt capability. I sat on the Suzuki 800 (standard) the other day, and I really liked it. Id say it's the current frontrunner.
Himalayan 450? Could it do it? It is throttle by wire...
The BMW 800GS would be great, but I'd probably be too broke to afford the trip afterwards...
What surprises could come at EICMA? A Versys X500 would be hard to say no to.
@@papertiger795 Hmm... i kind of gave up on the dream of a Versys X. I rode the Versys 300X and found it had not quite enough power and bought the 390. I always expected a Versys 400, after all they have the motor. I think Kawasaki just does not see a market for the platform. I recently, in SD rode the BMW 750. It was quite a fun bike. - Frank
@@OneOldManRiding yeah, I am currently on an X300, and that's why I'm taking the big trip in '26, and not next year. It's a great bike otherwise... But 9k rpms at highway speeds (it'll do it all day, but it's unnerving) just doesn't sound pleasant across the width of the great plains.
That’s a lot to think about!!! I know I don’t like the exhaust.
I'd be very surprised if that exhaust makes it to the US. I could be wrong.
Hello Matt, they did it, they put that crazy exhaust on there! Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
Hello Tracey, it looks like they are keeping it! Shocking. I have not seen one comment from a person who likes it. Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
Wow fantastic call outs just by looking at the photos mate! The resonator bit was a revelation to me, really hoping it doesn't fail easily as I'm seriously considering this Adv/Enduro as my next bike!
I'm sure people will make a resonator delete. I got rid of the resonator on my 2023 model for the same reason he mentioned.
@@danielpoulis9855 Did not know you can do that, thanks for the info, if it makes it more sturdy I'm all for it!
@adr2567 just keep in mind that the catalytic converter is right before the resonator, and some of the deletes don't have room to house it. Some people don't care, but it's a hefty fine where I am if you don't have it.
Technically not allowed in NY! Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
Wow great feedback thank you
This is the bike they should have made a few years back. Budget, off-road, adventure with cruise control. Slap a bash plate on change some levers, remove the catalytic converter like on the 790 and 890. Remove rear pegs as well.
Great observations.
Hello Matt, I had a great time looking at those pictures and speculating! Hey, looking for a part time job? I am drowning in comments over here and I need a guy that knows the 390 inside and out! - Frank
Very informative Frank, I consider you and ADV Matt to be the KTM390 gurus.
It’s nice that KTM is updating the bike and only time will tell what hits the dealers show room. Many will love the cruise, & tubeless would be great.
Japan especially Suzuki regurgitates the same tired overweight designs year after year.
There's rumblings pf a new DRZ400 next year with upside down forks and fuel injection. If Suzuki would throw 10 more hp and a 6 speed tranny into the mix, it would give the KTM 390, RE Himalayan 450 and CFMoto 450 a serious run for their money.
@@jakeviolet2195 Their past history says different. There’s a better chance I’ll grow a full head of wavy lush hair than an updated anything from Suzuki.
@@jakeviolet2195 they need to keep it under 35 kW or 45 hp for EU A2 regulation.
But yes, it would be great to have something like a Suzuki DR 400 RS (do you remember DR 650 RS?) With 6 gears
Hello Dave, Suzuki likes to fatten up the VStrom... time to pull the engineer who ran the DR650 design team out of retirement, that fellow understood weight! - Frank
@@OneOldManRiding people have started and retired on the DR650 assembly line producing the same exact bike. Very sad.
It's a good start. I'll be curious what the final production bike ends up like. See what the pricing will be like as well.
Hello Matt, it seems the production bike is very close to this. Its actually close to the bike from last year that leaked. What have they been doing! Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
390 ADV R is going to be 885mm seat height and 230mm travel ( from the new leaked spec).
It will be hard for short riders.
I hope standard variant comes with low seat height with 21/18 and 200mm suspension travel 🤞
Be curious to see the weight, and compare to the new ibex. I think that bike is gaining traction, great price too. I suspect this ktm to be in $8500-$9000 range
Really love the new re-design for true adventure riding lower end ADV bike. All the flaws in the design can be fixed. I did most of those fixes to my previous 390 adventure. New exhaust header without the resonator (a must), removed passenger pegs mounts, small engine/frame crash bars, more protective skid plate, tail tidy, Ergo seat, and heated grips. Expecting US MSRP to come in at $8200 for the R version.
Well thought out video, I might be wrong but isn't there some talk that the two versions might have 21/18 wheels and 19/17 wheels, cruise is a good addition, it is the one thing I miss on my 450MT, I think the new 390 looks good, although the low exhaust might be a problem for some.
Helo David, you were correct on the different models. How is the MT treating you? It's the whole package, minus CC. Which seems like a misstep, as CFMoto has been very good about including CC on their bikes. Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
Seems perfect for my needs, aside from the wheel sizes, I want the 1” less. Otherwise fabulous design. I don’t want a dirt bike because I want to do comfortable road miles. But I want something light enough to be able to drag out of, or lift back up or over, if I need to perform these tasks.
There will an adv 390 standard with alloy rims 19" front n 17" inch back. Or the R variant with 21" n 18" spoke trim. Get the alloy for miles munching.
@@xgamershub so they say, I hope so.
Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
Unfortunately, the old cast wheels are on the limited X version at this time. Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
Hello Hair, the lineup is missing the true replacement for the 390 Adventure: 19/17 wheels, full electronics. Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
Thanks Frank!
Hello William! Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
1. How about a 390 supermoto.
2. How about an affordable RC1290.
I know you don't know what affordable means, KTM, but you look like you are capable of learning!
You and Honda are seemingly in a contest to see who can overprice their stuff the most, and it looks like you're both winning.
You are getting 390 SMCR. Thoughts?
There are ongoing rumors about the 390 supermoto, which has been spotted lately. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that we will see it in the 2025 lineup. That affordable will never happen but I hope when there is a 390sm there will be a 401sm too, which will be cheap when the following year's models are released. However, Husqvarna doesn't make something rc1290ish and I don't feel like they ever will.
@@mermerac Nice! What will the MSRP be? And can you tell me the approximate height and length? I was looking at an article and of some pictures with a rider on it and it looks (hopefully not) smaller than a DRZ400SM (which is what I currently have).
I rode a 2014 390 Duke back in 2014 and it was too small for me (knees a bit in my chest). Hopefully the ergos on the 390 frames are better now.
It also looks like there is a 2024 KTM RC8, but again, you forgot to price it properly. $42000? Honda CBR1000RR-R is $32000. NFW is there 10K of extra goodies in the RC8.
@@VBMichael_D we will get it all at EICMA soon. KTM booth will be full of 390 variants.
We bought so many expensive parts for the 390, if I can fit any of them like Hyperpro rear shock (full adjustable), Andreani cartridge and blackdogs pegs. I will think about buying the new model.
What are your own thoughts, you too have many parts.
You are probably going to be out of luck, the foot pegs on the new version are straight and not canted forward like the previous version and cause the longer front suspension it will likely have longer rear suspension
Wow that ktm 390 hillclimb instantly sold the bike out. That is the kind of footage from Chris birch that made the original 1190adv s and r a sensation.
A bit late to the party. The market have soaked up Himalayan 450 and CF moto 450 MT. In fact, there is a long list of back orders awaiting delivery
😅😂
I'm sure we will Honda CRF come to the party and now this KTM 390 (unreliable engine issue) along with other manufacturers wanting a piece of 500cc segment.
The fact that these major manufacturers did not give what the market has been asking for for years, other brands who stepped up gained loyalty (me and my colleagues). We are a big group of adv riders out of Indonesia and we're very happy with CF MOTO and Himalayan.
The majors can now wait ... we got what we asked for
😂
I'm praying for aprilia tuareg 457, with similar weight to that of the RS 457.
why under belly exhaust for a ADV ?
Adv bike exhaust is typically already routed under the bike, but most ktm have the right luggage rack awkwardly pushed out to make room for the high mounted muffler. Under belly is a nice change and makes the bike narrow finally. -1190 adv
Hello James, a truly odd choice. I guess its Bajaj saying "We know you guys are not doing water crossings!" Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
Dream bike
KTM 390 Adv R with 885mm seat height...it's ridicoulous! nobody normal on the planet can manage this bike 😁 it's unbeliveble how the marketing Ktm genius work
The 701 Enduro is 925 mm, and I find that's perfect. Both feet planted flat on the ground.
The previous 390 Adv feels cramped when sitting. They will probably offer a lowering kit for the new one as well, but then you will be losing valuable ground clearance.
Yes, this is what the imaginary '490 Adventure' should've been. Huge missed opportunity for KTM. I'm with you on the exhaust mounting, that's just silly; also wondering why they insist on keeping the resonator when so many 390 owners have removed it? The bike is only marginally louder without it. My other thought is, what did they do with the tank size? Clearly the tank on this prototype is much narrower and higher than the 390's. The 390's 3.8 gal tank is a definite plus for range!
I think the CFMoto 450 MT is simply the 490 we never had.
I would definitely take a lighter 390 adventure over a heavier 490
Curious about weight and seat height.
Hello Blackdog, with how heavy the Royal Enfield 450, and CFMoto 450 turned out.. I think we are all holding our breaths waiting for this answer! Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
Hii sir off-road tyre good for highway normal 135 speed ?
Nope, its still a single. Adventure riding is still alot of transit miles and you can't beat a twin for that. CFMOTO 450MT, plus they sound so good.
450MT weighs a ton and is stupendously bulky. Plus not sure if it nums fingers less than a well balanced single.
...the 490...is the one we waited...and never come....what a pitty...!!!!
Thank you for the analysis. This is a prototype as you stated and we don't know what the final product will really be like. I think that videos like this adds a voice to the things bike makers should take into account before releasing the final product.
I'm sure it's a good bike. But why does the paint job look like the bike's wrapped up in newspaper?...
Probably to disguise the final graphics for the upcoming premiere. It's almost certainly not gonna look like that on showroom floor. The orange splash on the seat indicates it will probably come in the traditional orange/black/white KTM color scheme.
To disguise the test bike, it's typical for test cars/bike to be wrapped into that.
Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
From the video, waayyy too much bend at the knee. ...almost sport bike rear set. 30 minutes to pain imho.
Well it is a prototype not the finished product. We don't know what will go into production yet, including the exhaust.
@@terrarecon yes, of course. agreed
The previous 390 adventure had the same problem.
Hello Pete! It will need a tall seat and dropped pegs for sure! Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
The crazy street exhaust seems to be final. Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
In Malaysia the shape will be not accepted.
So same bikes with spokes and high guard
I will say that the bike we're seeing now is probably not the production machine. More than likely there will be a few more things different on the final bike.
Hello Ntmoffi, well damn, they really kept it close, including the crazy street bike exhaust! Thank you for stopping by and commenting! - Frank
Maybe KTM, like Honda is coming around to the fact that 99% of riders that buy ADV bikes, especially the smaller displacement models don't use them in any significant off-road way.
Why they stupid enogh not to build something like this with the 690 engine. .?
It would be great, but they are getting rid of the 690 single because it’s harder to meet new emission standards with it and going to the lc8c platform for a 690 twin
@@occlusion6557 yes I know. But they could have made it 10 years ago like the 640 Adv
I hope Ducati will do that on the hypermotard's basis.
Imagine a a Desert 698, with the look of the the big sistema and the weight of the motard.
No it is not the bike we have been waiting for. It is another bike destroyed by heavy weight and low hp which stupid euro5/A2 license dictate, morronic low seat. A2 riders, just wait, don't mess the global market!!!!
i love my duke 390, but would like something a bit taller. the adventure does not really do it for me. The 2025 though seems to be inspired by the new Himalayan. I'm sure it'll be a great machine, but just not what I'm looking for.
I still don’t believe a 390 is a true ADV. no way that’s taking a 600 mile pavement journey to get to an M selected off road site. Soon they’ll be saying a 250 is ADV
Adv is what you make it
@ I disagree. Thats why there’s off-road, dual sport, enduro, ADV and street classes and the motorcycles are built for one of those purposes. A bullet bike is not built for off-road so sure, you can take a bullet bike off-road, but it’s never gonna be called an off-road bike