Ben Stokes vs Pat Cummins Who Would YOU Pick For Your Dream Team? 🤔🍿| Bumble & Kimber
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Regardless who you’d pick, Pat Cummins would be absolutely wasted in the English system. They would have coached his bowling into something unrecognisable. He’d probably be bowling barely mid 130s max by now if they hadn’t already run him into the ground.
If you watch Cummins bowl , he bowls 138-140 kph and is not express quick
He just hits an awkward length and it skids which is why he appears quicker than he is
In England , that length is not good. He’d have been made to bowl slower for
More movement (and wickets) like Broad had to slow down
It’s just a consequence of different environments. No one right way
Very good comment
@@sachinpaul2111there is a correct length in international cricket. Most international bowling is around your hip and meant to be awkward.
Absolute rubish, ! he would bowl legally in the English system so he would be less efective for that so onnly regulation bouncers per over not what he gets away with and the no balls in consistantly bowls would all be called. He would likely be faster though. And able to swing it both ways. So under the English system he would be one of the all time greats. Where as now he should have an * next to his name as should any aussie that has been in a SMith team.
@@simonglancy5729 can always spot a butt hurt Englishman from a mile away
The answer is Cook..
45 with the bat and 7 with the ball
Stokes is a moments player, he’s never had any kind of consistency. Cummins is a steady operator who is very consistent, but doesn’t have the iconic moments. Plus one’s an all-rounder and the other’s a pure bowler. The only real place of comparison would be captaincy, and again the styles are so different it’s difficult to compare properly. I’ve personally never been impressed by Cummins as a captain, or as a T20 bowler, but Stokes frustrates the life out of me as an England fan.
Cummins is a better t20 bowler than odis
@@Aman-nk5uq Test Cricket is the only format where he’s actually elite. The 2 white-ball formats are a big drop off in levels for him.
@@SWJ_ what do you mean not impressed by Cummins as a captain? The World Cup final last year was a masterclass in tactics and strategy from cummo
@@SWJ_ i couldnt care less if he doesnt take another ODI Wicket, what he did against india in the final last year is more than enough and more meaningful that taking a bunch of wickets in meaningless bilateral series
@@TwoFourFourFour - Agree. Imagine in one year beating India in a Test Final and an ODI final, both outside Australia, on flat pitches. And they didn't just win, they absolutely dominated. Cummins bowled the decisive spell in the WCO ODI Final. Ten overs to get 2-34 is mind blowing. He may have even effectively ended one or two careers, or scarred them for life. Shreyas Iyer - I am thinking of you.
Impossible question. Which is better would depend entirely on the other 10 players in the side, who, and where you were playing.
Cummins for me, a fast bowler as penetrative as he is worth his weight in gold. He consistently gets top order batsmen cheaply, as well as being economical & being a more than useful batsman. Stokes can absolutely turn a match with his batting, but simply isn't consistent enough. And he is no more than a stock bowler. I watched Botham, Hadlee, Imran & Kapil Dev in their prime & he isn't in their league. They're both excellent captains.
stokes has turned matches with his bowling
even as an englishman i would say Cummins, But there's no need to put down Stokes. Both are brilliant cricketers
How do you win a test match ? 20 wickets
You pick Cummins all day
Kallis is easily the second best player of all time, he batted like batsman and bowled like a front line bowler
I believe that honor goes to Sobers as he was just a little better in all departments. Kallis bowled to contain and his numbers are excellent. Sobers took more wickets per test and was the more penetrative bowler. He could also bowl quick (opening the bowling) or spin (wrist or SLA), which made him more valuable as a bowler.
Kallis fucked up so many high impact matches, one of the reasons RSA didn’t win anything in 90s, 00s
@@adarsh1294 give me one bro
@@adarsh1294They won heaps of Test series overseas, just not ICC trophies.
Cricket team? Cummins. Angry ranger who gets into punch ups with a locker or member of the public team? Stokes obviously
Bar brawlers tend to miss important Ashes tours :)
The real question is Dom Bess vs Nathan Hauritz
Hauritz
Hauritz was actually very good.
@@ankitraj1602 So is Dom Bess!
@@ankitraj1602 - Agree won Australia an impossible victory against a very good Pakistan side with a 5 for and got 75 and a 5 for in the previous Test.
Cummins all day. Stokes has won some unwinnable games, but Cummins often makes sure his teams are never in those positions. Cummins has definitely won Australia more games overall
Cummins is a winner and Stokes stats are underwhelming. Stokes has an occasional memorable innings
Ben stokes has won more games alone than any player currently playing when he is fully fit
@@michaelmulhall5007 How many trophies has he won as captain? Cupboard is pretty bare
@@michaelmulhall5007 England rarely ever win anything, who brainwashed you? english lying media probably
In big matches both perform cummins in all format he has done wonders lately
Both are champions. But Cummins is more valuable than him. Any team would like to have him in their side if given choice between them. Across formats.
Yea no
Yeah, Cummins is money in the bank, while stokes is a chance at some runs and some pretty decent bowling, but only when fully fit
@@MrTthaha - Yep
@@johnpsalinger173 yea no
Cummins obviously
Stokes averages 35 with the bat and less than 2 wickets per test. He is a liability with bat and ball in T20. Capable of memorable moments but a hugely overrated player overall. The comparison is insulting to Cummins.
By that comparison Cummins averages only 17.03 with the bat.
Plus, Cummins is in a world class team which makes him play under less pressure while Stokes was in a fairly mediocre team in Tests until like about when McCullum took over.
Put Stokes in Australia and Cummins in England and you'd see the difference. Stokes would be a God and Cummins would regress.
BenStokes is Average t20 All Rounder
@@snehalkhatri9357
Way better than your Jadeja
@@gokuvegeta9500but how please explain.
@@gokuvegeta9500Cummins plays in a world class team which makes him play under less pressure.???
Please enlighten us all as to how you have determined this?
I’ll tell you one thing that I know for sure and that is that every Australian cricket team plays with a much higher expectation than any English team does.
Just ask the public in both countries as to what they expect from their respective teams.
The pressure to perform and succeed is always greater on the team that has higher expectations placed on it.
Stokes is a Test chad, nothing against him but he doesn't have an impressive stats/match winning performances as a batting allrounder in ODI/T20 (please🙏🏻 don't tell me about the WC19 win, you know what happened there as ICC rule book won it and I have no issues whatsoever).
However, Pat is an excellent bowler can bat a little bit with an excellent cricket brain. He performs in both Test & ODI but he too has some trouble with T20, so for me a guy who can play 2 formats is the greater than the guy who is excellent in 1 format... Its just my opinion anyone can disagree✌🏻
Cummins every time. Stokes could be a better leader but is inflexible and struggles to change tactics if they aren’t working. Cummins quietly manages his team better and doesn’t let his ego get in the way.
Isn't stokes a better cricketer just by matchematics,Cummins averages 22 with the ball stokes 31 difference of 9,stokes averages 35 with the bat Cummins 15 difference of 20 ,so overall just by sheer logic stokes is a better cricketer,stokes is also a better fielder
But Cummins averages 4.3 wickets per test and stokes less than 2. A better way to mathematically measure Cummins value to the team over stokes with the ball would be (Cummins ave - stokes ave) x (Cummins w/test / stokes w/test) = about 21.5 runs difference……
Yes, I have too much time on my hands.
Depends on so much, including the pitch. If you need a fourth seam option, then Stokes would be wonderful number 6 batsmen and 4th seam option.
Stokes v Flintoff would be a more reasonable comparison.
1:34 - This is the reason I love Jarrod Kimber😂...
This was a weird conversation centered around a rather strange comparison. Why compare a bowler to an all-rounder? A better comparision would have been Stokes vs Jadeja. Maybe that could be the topic for the next podcast.
Yeah or Stokes vs Cameron Green is an even better comparison cause Jadeja is a spinner.
@@gokuvegeta9500 exactly
Stokes is better.
Put Stokes in Australia and Cummins in England and you'd see the effects.
Even without that Stokes is a better all round cricketer. Cummins is a better bowler and captain
Rubbish, stokes gives you a 10/10 game once a year and is then very mediocre for the other games
Stokes wouldn't even make the Aussie team!
@@njokic2176
He plays good even after being in a mediocre team while Cummins is in a World Class team so he has no pressure on him while Stokes is always under pressure
@@Sothpawman
Stokes would play over Maxwell as an all-rounder in limited overs cricket
Stokes would play over Mitch Marsh as an all-rounder in red ball cricket
It's so easy to see unless you have a double digit IQ
😂😂😂😂 pat Cummins won wtc and 50 overs world last but he is predictable captain 😂😂 can't stop laughing
He is a predictable captain, he just has a good team.
He's like Strauss in that respect
Right now cummins.
Overall their career so far stokes
Cummins could never do what Stokes has done with the bat in a million years.
Therein lies the answer to the question.
And nobody could ever imagine Stokes averaging over 4 wickets per Test at 22 either.
Stokes is the most overrated cricketer in history. Has been kissed on the penis and got lucky with bat deflections and umpiring mistakes a couple of times like in the 2019 WC Final and Headingly test, but you forget all the other games where hes been mediocre. Stokes has the better highlights, but cummins is much more consistent.
Good player yes, but no where near the likes of even ashwin or jadeja for example.
didnt cummins nearly do what stokes did at headingly?
He won a Test at Edgbaston in 2023 with the bat - and Stokes was captain and available to bowl.
I like David Lloyd, but he's far too biased.
I say both are champions but stokes gave england some wins from almost impossible situation
So hyped more
As cricketer point of view it's always pat Cummins
The best of Ben Stokes is better than the best of Pat Cummins however you get the best of Ben Stokes maybe once a year, you get the best of Cummins multiple times a series so as a cricketer I'm taking Cummins. Captaincy isn't close, Stokes is a natural leader, Cummins isn't and Stokes has surprised me with his tactical accumen.
Stokes will win you a test or two, with some brilliance. Cummins will win you a series with ruthless constancy
Cummins is far more consistent,13 dud tests out of 62(21%). Stokes has 33 duds out of 106(31%) even with his allrounder status.Since 2021,Stokes has been in decline,39 tests,2118 runs@ 31.18,45 wickets @ 35.04.
Stokes is clearly the better overall cricketer
haha give it a rest mate, this comparison is a laugh. Cummins been the number 1 bowler in the world for like 5 years, clears stokes by a mile.
@@liamdanielis-morley4742He’s obviously a biased Englishman, that’s why there’s no explanation as to why Stokes is clearly the better cricketer.
The only two things that are clear to me is that one is clearly a better bowler and one is clearly a better batsman.
You pick the match winner: u go with stokes
Says he that has somehow determined that only one of them is a match winner.
Yet Cummins wins more, makes sense
@@liamdanielis-morley4742 whats that got to do with being a match winner? That’s like saying well Steve Waugh won more games with aus so he’s more of a match winner than Brian Lara was. Give ur head a wobble
Cummins also a very good batsman he knows how to play according to the situations 😂😂 plz first research about pat Cummins then comment
Why write 4 comments? Is he your father you have to defend him so much lmao.
@@_A.t.g i think you are a frustrated man 🤣🤣🤣
Pat cummins is miles better . Ben stokes is not very good in most places outside of england qnd would average less than 30 without his drs luck
Ben Stokes is only good in english conditions he can't play spin
Are you mentally ill? Stokes is far better
You mean like scoring the fastest double hundred in test history in South Africa ?
Scoring his first International hundred on a decaying WACA pitch against Johnson and Harris ?
Single handedly winning a game with his bowling on the final day at the Wanderers against South Africa ?
Captaining England to a series whitewash against Pakistan ?
5 of his 13 test hundreds coming away from home ?
@@debasismohanty1952
He has a test hundred in India and numerous fifties
The Indians are rattled hahahahahaha
Ben Stokes bit overhyped ,i think.
Stoked doesnt make an impact with ball.
Ian Botham was the best English allrounder.
Mcgrath and Dennis Lillie are above Pat cummins.
Pat cummins third best Aus seamer.
I havent seen much of Alan Davidson or Ray Lindwall ( top class seam bowlers ).
Dennis Lille 😂
The man was overhyped as hell. Back in the day with hardly any bouncer restrictions and green tops made him look good
He had an average of over 100 in Pakistan and an average of around 35 in Sri Lanka.
While Cummins and McGrath both have played quite a bit in the sub-continent and have done well there.
@@gokuvegeta9500Over hyped? Now that you’ve mentioned his record in two countries that he barely played in, why don’t you mention just how successful he was in others? Lillee wasn’t just one of the greatest bowlers but also probably the best fast bowling coach as well. And someone can correct me if I’m wrong but didn’t he have a lot to do with both Cummins and McGrath?
You don’t get 355 Test wickets in 70 Tests and almost a hundred more in WSC by accident my friend. Maybe you should pay more attention to the facts and the opinions of those who played against him.
@@longjohn5322
There is a difference between being a good coach and a good player.
The guy's back in the day were so astounded with Lillee because they had no helmets ⛑️ on when he bowled until the late 70s.
Waqar Younis, Dale Steyn, McGrath, Marshall, Akram etc have done well in all conditions even when the game was in a batsman's favour
@@gokuvegeta9500 There is a difference between coaching and playing but how many have Lillee’s record in doing both??
And just so you know, Lillee wasn’t the only fast bowler who played in the helmetless era.
For what Stokes did at Headingly to beat Australia will always place Stokes above Cummins.
Yet at the end of the series Cummins was still the one holding the urn. 😂😂
You are delusional.
In what turned out to be a fruitless victory.
Id rather Stokes over Cummins cuz what he lacks with the ball he makes up for with the bat but Cummins is the better leader
He averages 35 with the bat. That is poor.
@@StuTheDon17 36 with the bat is poor 😂😂😂😂😂 lets see you do better then that champ oh wait you don’t even play test cricket & fyi he’s averaging the same as Jadeja who’s the No.1 All Rounder in the world 🤡
Cummins every time.
Cummins for rig alone
Cummings is the better player, Stokes the better captain
Stokes declaring on day 1 of the 1st Test in the last Ashes series cost England the win, which cost them the series.
He is not as good as people think he is.
@StuTheDon17 Disagree, Englands batting in the 2nd innings cost them the game. They had a a first innings lead going into the 2nd innings, so the declaration didnt cost them.
England had won 1 out of there last 17 tests before Stokes took over.
After 25 tests, Stokes's win percentage is the 3rd best of all time behind Waugh and Ponting 👍
How is Stokes the better captain? Cummins beat India in India in the World Cup final in front of billions, and on doctored pitches and everything else the indian cricket board and corrupt government did to ensure an India victory. Stokes will never achieve anything that great
@Sothpawman Stokes has defeated India in a test match in England and in India. He is a proactive rather than a reactive captain like Cummins, and he has a poorer team to captain than Cummins 👍. Cummins also drew a test series with the West Indies, the worst test side in the world. He also threw away a 2-0 lead against England and would of lost the series if it wasnt for rain in Manchester.
After 25 games, Stokes hasbthe highest win percentage of any test captain in history after Waugh and Ponting.
He also doesn't captain the one day side
Cummins hands down
There's something wrong with you if you have to think about Stokes vs Kallis
Is it just me or has been stokes been really really poor with the bat since the 2023 world cup? It looks like he can't even bat properly especially to spinners.
Pat Cummins any day for me
I’m Indian, so I have no dog in this fight. But I will choose Cummins over Stokes any day of the week. Just look at his success as captain of Australia.
Ben stokes is probably the cricketer of this era. He is a match winner, with ball in hand or bat.
South African so no dog in the race. I find it laughable claiming Cummins is a better cricketer, how exactly? Cummins is a better bowler obviously and Stokes a better batsman by a country mile. Bit of a stupid comparison.
What did stokes WIN?
World cup
@@uponarobloxcloud3548 fluke
These chaps are totally clueless about cricket. Pat Cummins is thousand time better than perinial unfit Ben Stokes.
Stokes every day of the week and twice on Sundays
Pat cumming made that SRH into Powerful just being the leader. he was wasted in KKR so many years. Stokes? Sucks.
Cummins is an elite fast bowler. Stokes is neither elite at batting or bowling. He is though, more than the sum of his statistical parts.
Why do we consider Bradman the best ???
Ben Stokes is more tinged towards batting while Cummins is pure bowler and sometimes bat very well. In captaincy Cummins is clear winner.
Not in Test matches he’s not
Captaincy stokes is MILES clear, what are you smoking
@@MrTthaha WTC table enough to tell who is smoking
@@MrJeremydobson Ohh see where England and Australia are in WTC table. Cummins is bad only in T20 format
@@Yddhc7805 that’s a poor English team, stokes had made fantastic captaincy decisions to get this team to win far more games than they ever should have.
Stokes won a home world cup (as expected) Then lost a home Ashes (not expected) got demolished in the latest world cup. Cummins is a winning player, Stokes is not.
I love how they preffer Stokes as Captain when he has a losing record...
He didn’t lose 2019 and 2023
@@Aman-nk5uq he wasnt captain in 2019. and quoting 2 years out of the last 6 kinds of makes my point
@@Duanedibly80 Stokes doesn't possess the same luxury of players as Australia does. Marnus and Smith, Both top class! Travis head a monster! Warner and Khawaja were a consistent pair. Nathan Lyon and Hazlewood are stars. Only Starc in recent years has been a bit off compared to his early standards and Cam green is new. I can't quite say the same about the England squad. No one is quite established and experienced as of yet.
Cummins is better as a fast bowler and captain than Stokes
But overall as a cricket Stokes is better, it's not even a question
Why isn’t it even a question??
@@longjohn5322Because Cummins wouldn’t be able to do what stokes did at headingly
@@michaelmulhall5007 And?
@@michaelmulhall5007 And Stokes wouldn't of been able to do what Cummins did in the World cup final in India
But the impact is similar
I would pick cummins over stokes every time, stokes is probably one of the most overhyped player of all time. Comparing kallis to stokes and actually acting like it's a close call is silly. The English are just so full of themselves.
Ben Stokes is a fabulous cricketer but he is a guy of moments. He got some legendary moments where he single handedly won the game. Otherwise his career is pretty average.
Cummings on the other hand is a bowler who will give 7 out of 10 performances even on bad days. On good days he will run through teams. Also he is a solid lower order batter.
Will always pick Cummins.
No one is throwing warne,if you're throwing anyone its sachin or marshall ,marshall is a better bowler and batter than warne
The biggest reason why I wouldn't rate Stokes anywhere near to Botham or Flintoff is that he is extremely inconsistent. I don't like that in a player. A great player has to be consistent as a basic qualification. I think Stokes has a shade of Flintoff but Botham and Flintoff are more similar in their attitude than Stokes is. I've said this many times, Stokes is a very overrated cricketer in the age of highest social media penetration. Kallis and Flintoff are a different breed. A good question would be - is Stokes more closer to Flintoff than Cummins to McGrath? I would say Cummins is a bit closer to McGrath. Stokes is not a good player of spin and extremely inconsistent.
If you want to talk about consistency, Flintoff in 2003-2005 was one of the all time greats; the rest of his career, not so much. Stokes has been more consistent for a much longer period of time. And I’m a fellow Lancastrian saying that.
Flintoff is arguably more overrated than Stokes, had a purple patch for 2 years and was average for the rest of his career
Kallis shows Ben Stokes levels ...
Ben Stokes has played a few freak innings. But since his almost a year out due to a case, he has lost that mojo about his batting. Before that his batting was too good.
beefy v stokes
😂😂😂 pat Cummins best captain in the world at the moment every knowledgeable person knows that
Just because he won one match against India.
@@sachinpaul2111 last year Cummins won wtc finals and 50 overs world 🤣🤣 two major icc events Ben stokes team not going to qualify for the 2023 wtc finals and again they can't qualify for the 2025 wtc finals and pat Cummins side best new zealand 2-0 but Ben stokes test side failed to beat new zealand in new zealand and Ben stokes side totally destroyed by india 4-1 a few months back but pat Cummins australia challenges india in india last year they lost that series 2-1 not 4-0 🤣🤣 results matters the most Ben stokes can't play away from home check his bating record first away from home
He isnt even the best captain in his own team
@@kil93 who told you 🤣🤣😂
@debasismohanty1952 No one told me, i watch alot of cricket and Steve Smith was a tactically better captain than Cummings. Cummings is a reactive rather than proactive captain
Stokes wouldnt make the Australian team
Sachin >
Both great players, but a spearhead fast bowler is the ultimate for any team.
Pat cummins on paper is a better player. This however fails to take in several key factors. 1 he is only really at his best in Aus Stokes is the same everywhere. 2 and this one is very over looked he does not bowl to the same regulations stokes has to he gets away with far more no balls than any other none aussie bowler. He is allowed to bowl more balls above shoulder hieght than stokes he averages over 3 per over. So when you add runs for every no ball bowled and not called and ever addtional ball over shoulder hieght that is not allowed 1/2 his wickets disapear and the runs agianst him go through the roof.
We’re not adding any runs or taking away any wickets so try again.
Cummins took 29 wickets at 19.6 in 2019 in England and 18 more in 2023.
Stokes averages 41 with the ball in Australia and 29 with the bat. Suggest you consult the stats before you comment.
Cummins ...any day all day .... stokes is a liability....can't bat, doesn't ball & he's got a great PR machinery working for him to gloat his captaincy.....
Yeah “PR” being him winning every series except one away at India , which , for the record, Cummins didn’t manage as well
@@sachinpaul2111 Cummins didn't even play the entire India series cos his mom was terminally sick & passed days later.....& Cummins still was able to retain the ashes in Eng. Let's c if stokes can win atleast 1 match in AUS next yr....
Stokes is being carried by the media....Cummins is not
@@amitm2692 retained the Ashes in England by virtue of the Manchester rain (and a tenth wicket partnership at Edgbaston and some amazing sportsmanship at Lord’s).
Cummins has been traveling to India for years now and has been routinely beaten and also lost to India in his own conditions for the last 2 series
Winning one match has massively overrated this player
@@sachinpaul2111 You conveniently left out one very important aspect of the 2023 Ashes that obviously contributed to one of England’s victories but you go ahead and keep spreading your biased and dishonest narrative. Did you actually watch any of the series?
@@sachinpaul2111 Cummins beat India in India in the World Cup final in front of billions, and on doctored pitches and everything else the indian cricket board and corrupt government did to ensure an India victory. Stokes will never achieve anything that great
Cummins beat India in one match and people immediately overrate him and his captaincy .
Stokes single-handedly dragged England kicking and screaming to victories in the World Cup, Headingley test etc etc
My stand out moment of stokes is when he got Kohli out in Edgbaston day 5 in 2018 when it looked dire for England .
Stokes can get anyone out at any time and can bat to victory from any situation. You can’t capture that in numbers or averages
Cry less. Stokes has been awful in Australia and India so far, both with bat and ball and only that counts for greatness.
I agree numbers don’t tell the whole story but Cummins is literally a great now
Since 2021 Stokes averages 31 with the bat
Cummins literally won everything with Aus last year what you mean beats India in one match... Get your facts right
Even that WC victory was pure luck and don't think any cricketer got such kind of luck in a WC knock out matches.
Even in 2022 T20 WC finals he was lucky that a part time bowler bowled the 16th over and don't think such a thing has ever happened in WC knock out matches.
Pat Cummins. Ben Stokes is a hit and miss player.. not consistent.
Stokes is being massively overrated here
Ben Stokes is one of the most overrated cricketers ever. Absolutely flop in the IPL, Flop in Australia and India, two of his best innings wouldn't have gotten over the line if not for that terrible umpire Dharmasena.
Ben Stokes is seriously overrated.
Stokes is overrated
Ben stokes only good in english conditions he struggled away from home
You mean like scoring the fastest double hundred in test history in South Africa ?
Scoring his first International hundred on a decaying WACA pitch against Johnson and Harris ?
Single handedly winning a game with his bowling on the final day at the Wanderers against South Africa ?
Captaining England to a series whitewash against Pakistan ?
5 of his 13 test hundreds coming away from home ?
@@kil93 check his avg in australia india Sri Lanka new zealand and west indies then comment
@debasismohanty1952 so what ? 99% of players have better records in their home conditions than they do overseas, this isnt some anomaly specific to Stokes.
His batting average is 52 is South Africa btw, higher than his average in England 👍
@@kil93 yes he avg 53 in south africa but struggle australia, india,new zealand, pakistan,west Indies,Sri Lanka
@debasismohanty1952 he has scored test hundreds in Australia,India and West Indies along with numerous 50's.
The hundred he scored against Australia was on a fast and decaying WACA pitch.
His average in thoss countries mentioned is only a few runs below his average in England👍
Stokes is just an overrated overhyped English player with few real achievements.Cummins has the actual credentials, and has a way better cricket mind.
This should be retitled 3 idiots talking crap
I hate the Ozzies, but no one with a fully functional brain would pick Ben Stokes over Pat Cummins. Plus, Kallis, you'd definitely have over Stokes. My test 11 of all the players I've seen since 1980 which is when I started watching.
1) Matthew Hayden
2) Gordon Grenidge
3) Viv Richards
4) Sachin Tendulkar
5) Brain Lara
6)Jacques Kallis
7) Adam Gilchrist
8) Sir Richard Hadlee
9) Wasim Akram
10) Shane Warne
11) Malcolm Marshall
Greenidge in front of Sehwag??
@@longjohn5322 - Every day.
Replace Akram with prime Brett Lee and I agree with that team
@Sothpawman There's no way Brett Lee should even be mentioned in the same league as Wasim Akram.
@@blairmcbride5437 - Agree, and I am Australian. Wonderful player, could bat as well as bowl, but Wasim Akram is deity.
Cummins is way ahead of Stokes. Just look at Stokes record outside UK it's not that convincing. Apart from pulling out few match winning knocks I didn't recall anything significant.
for all the captaincy talk, cummins doesnt lose that much? stokes cannot even beat cummins at home where cummins PASTES AND ABSOLUTELY MELTS stokes in australia, australia win more ODIs and tests under cummins and have also won the WTC and the WC? this is all being in an era where australia is close to first and not objectively the best team considering india, the strong team argument is a lil stupid no?
Ben Stokes is better by a country mile. Whoever thinks Cummins is even comparable to Stokes is clearly in a drunken daze.
Averages 35 with bat and ball. Stokes is the mediocre of both worlds.
Poor old Samuel. Can’t give his opinion without getting personal with anyone who disagrees. And in this situation there are many, maybe you’re even in the minority.
Ben stokes is overrated and overhyped by English media. Not even close to Cummins