If everyone agrees currently pitches are flattest all over the world and batting is easier compared to 20 years ago, it easily makes bumrah the best bowler as he makes batsman play tests in t20s
no way, pitches were way flatter in the 2000's than they are today. Bumrah doesnt have the longivety that mcgrath had across all formats yet to be compared to him
@@njokic2176But McGrath played most of his games in the 90s, when it was toughest to bat. Plus, easier batting conditions became a thing at the far end of McGrath's career.
@@njokic2176and moreover McGrath mostly bowled in batsman friendly conditions of Australia and Bumrah is bowling in bowling friendly conditions of subcontinent 😂
Pitces are flat only in white ball. Red ball is at it's hardest for batting since 2017 lol. 80s were easy, 90s were 2nd hardest era for batting, 2000-2016 were then the easiest flat tracks of any era and then comes 2017-till now as the hardest era to bat. Glenn was top 2 pacer in the 90s and then in 00-07 he was world's best pacer with even better numbers than his 90s which is why he is regarded as the best as 00-07 were flat wickets and he was bowling the same in them too. And it's not like Glenn is the only challenge here. Ambrose's numbers are same as Mcgrath, Steyn is also a goat level bowler as he played his whole life in flat track era and got the best of wicket taking abilities then there's Marshall too who's raw numbers are similar to Bumrah with more than double the wickets of him. Bumrah will have to take 300+ wickets in tests with the same numbers to prove that he is on this level of GOATs
Nope bumrah had played more overseas tests than home ... And what makes bumrah even more lethal is his stats in the subcontinent which are better than his overseas stats ... @@RAHULGUPTA-ut7yy
Mcgrath had precision of highest order and a cunning mind, but Jasprit does not entirely lack these either. On top of that he is playing in smaller grounds flatter pitches, he has awkward action, and different paced yorkers. Mcgrath was Mcgrath because nobody actually tried going at 7-8-9 runs per over and such things, while bumrah bowls long spells in test, he do the hard yard, and in t20s he could bowl his 4 overs in 3 spells if need be and be equally effective which is crazy.Mcgrath is a legend and only it took someone as skill possessed as Bumrah to not call his name.
Just see that bumrah’s dismissal of Robinson in 20/21 series I think, india needed 3 wickets and there was only 10 overs left in the day and Robinson was out there for a long time and bumrah bowled a leg cutter to him, Robinson just got deceived it hits him on his pad, lbw gone
Kimber forgets Tendulkar started stepping out to prime McGrath first, not KP. Check the 2000 Champions trophy footage in Nairobi and the one day series after that in India. It was a deliberate and successful ploy by the master.
spot on, it was not just Nairobi, the domination was carried into the series where Aus toured India... But have never seen Sachin dominate Mcgrath in tests esp those playes in Aus...
@@mrslask1 Actually it was the pressure of chasing 360. Check him how he played him the group stage, took his time and scored runs off him...... But chasing 360, he wanted to show 'intent' and well paid the price
McGrath has given several nightmares, but I will still rate Bumrah over. People might forget McGrath is supported by the one of the all time best fast bowling attack like Lee, Fleming, Kasprowicz. Bumrah can get you wicket anywhere at any stage of game.
@@krislo4788Siraj is not as consistent as Shami. Shami and Bumrah perform very well together. Bumrah has performed very well even without Shami but Shami is not able to perform that well without Bumrah.Still, I believe Siraj and Shami are more dangerous than Bumrah on their day. The GOAT debate always involves McGrath and Lee. Till date no one has included Siraj and Shami in the GOAT debate.
You can’t use that argument because binary has played with bowlers as good as those guys like shami and siraj, and the best spinner of the generation with ashwin
Reasons - Flattest pitches,Small grounds, mindset of batsman,No saliva,Rules are like icc wants every batsman to become sachin or lara ask any of 90s bowler to bowl in todays pitches most of them will struggle nowadays.❤️
That's why the respect for Bumrah increase more and more... Even in this Batting Era, the Flat Pitches, Smaller Grounds, Big Size Bats, 1 Bouncer Rule....... Still in all these circumstances Bumrah produces masterclass every single time.
@@madhavrathore5988 Where was his masterclass in the WTC 2021 Final 0/93 and 2023 WC Final ( 2/43 with 1 wicket lbw which wasnt out and the other wicket the batsmen slashed at a ball that wouldve been called a wide)
Mcgrath won only one test series in India. But Bumrah like Marshall and Steyn ,won test series in Aus twice. Dont under estimate Bumrah. A potent bowler.
I wonder if the style of cricket today makes harder for bowlers today than today. Because of Glen was predictable, i think batters today would adjust to predictable. Dont get me wrong i think Glenn was a killer but Bumrah just gives a different thing.
Glenn was far from predictable. No two balls bounced the same height and he could move the ball either way. Only his general line was predictable everything else was very hard to pick up that’s why even the very very best had no clue against him
Same here, Indian Critics and especially fans too didn't celebrate Jasprit with due credits, Only because he is a bowler People should Understand Jasprit Contributed a lot to the Indian team than, any other cricketer has ever did
@@aravinthsamy6867India fans like batting more I think and thats why they call kohli king and Tendulkar God of cricket but bowlers don't really get that treatment
I disagree with these guys. McGrath is NOT predictable. He got his wickets because his line and length may have been predictable but his deviation off the seam was subtle enough to get either get an edge or hit you on the pads in front of the wicket. He was like a metronome. He just didn't give you anything and would frustrate you as a batsman. You couldn't score freely form him because he rarely gave you a bad ball. Other bowlers may have moved the ball more but they were inaccurate and would miss the edge because the movement was too big and same for LBW as it would miss the stumps. McGrath's subtlety combined with accuracy made him the ultimate assassin. a
McGrath was probably the most accurate of bowlers ever. And only he, himself could ever explain his thought process. But I think since batting Today is easier with flat batting pitches an such so bumrah maybe got an edge.
I've seen McGrath bowl in England and sometimes he'd get the ball to move off the seam when nobody else could. He said that Sydney university analysed his bowling after he retired and they said he got more revs of backspin on the ball than other bowlers and this may have been the reason. I've mentioned in another comment that I don't believe he was quite as accurate as Ambrose as his economy rate was 2.49 whereas Ambrose was 2.30, which puts Ambrose way out in front of all the leading wicket taking quicks.
I also remember McGrath breaking KP's ribs during the 2007 Ashes in Australia when KP charged about 5 balls in a row. On the 5th ball, McGrath dug it in short and had him out of the test injured - it was a masterclass in fast bowling. Lillee over Thommo every time.
Not really sure why people assume that bcs McGrath wouldn't be effective today - he hammered a length during his career because that was what was worked, what got wickets, and he would almost certainly adjust his bowling to vary length in the high-strike rate environment of today. He had a good slower ball/yorker when he wanted to use them, and his ODI record is pretty stellar. Don't get why everyone has come to the conclusion that one of the most accurate bowlers in living memory, possible the most accurate, wouldn't be able to move his length around and adjust his bowling to suit the conditions, the man bowled at Sehwag and Jayasuriya and they weren't exactly slow-scoring. Can only judge him based off how he performed in the context of his era in my opinion.
Depends what you want. For a ten-twelve year test career you want a McGrath playing in all conditions and rarely being injured. In modern cricket in all formats of the game in all conditions I’d go with Bumrah.
Lol...Hazelwood is no where near Mcgrath..the seam movement and x factor that Mcgrath had was something else...Hazelwood is a basic up and down bowler..thats it
This Kimber totally overrates McGrath. Calls him the best newvall bowler ever, McGrath is one of the absolute greats, but has this bloke never seen Malcolm Marshall take the new ball.
An additional point noone mentions, Bumrah is playing in the age of data science and statistics at drop of hat in extremely granular detail, which makes finding weakness in players lot easier...so batters have more data to prepare against him...then flat pitches, t20 mentality , batters game in todays time...undisputed GOAT
that granularity favors bowlers over batsmen -- might be the only thing in the modern game that does! analytics will do more to tell bumrah where to bowl to a particular batter; that batter can learn as much as they want about what bumrah does, but then he still has to go out and play an unhittable ball
I agree with Jarrod. We can find somewhat similar new-ball bowlers like McGrath. For example, Pollock, Philander, and Hazlewood, who are good with the new ball and accurate. However, it's difficult to find a replacement for Bumrah
if India had someone like Bumrah back in 1996 they would have easily won the WC. his bowling at the death with the 35 over old ball reverencing, would have been a nightmare for others.
I love Bumrah's bowling and kinda take pride in the fact that he plays for India. Never imagined an Indian fast bowler to be so effective and so potent, across the format and in all the conditions (and phases of a game) and the one to be feared and respected by all around the cricketing world. But, he's got to play and keep doing what he's been doing for a few more years before he is considered at the same level as Pigeon. Used to be so awestruck watching McGrath bowl and used to keenly follow Ashes back in the days just because of him.
Bumrah is more multidimensional than mcgrath ,mcgrath was great with a few things,thus his great record,but bumrah can do pretty much everything a bowler can do,very consistently
Bumrah can hurt the batsmen. Batsmen are trying to save their wicket & their head. With McGrath the risk of getting hurt was never there. Bumrah is mentally tougher as well. McGrath was tough & nasty as long as he was dominating & umpires were helping with helmet before wicket dismissals. But once he got hit (examples below**) he cried like a baby. Also fast bowlers hunt in pairs like McGrath & Steve Bucknor. So Bucknor should get some credit too. ** Refer to Tendulkar smashing him in 2000 ICC Champions Trophy Nairobi & Abdul Razzak hitting 5 consecutive boundaries in SCG, 2000.
McGrath's accuracy and ability to hit that nagging length where batsman didn't know whether to be on the front or back foot was unbelievable. Almost allowed him to get away with not being express pace, though he was not a dibby dobbler either.
How is this bloke saying that McGrath is more accurate than Ambrose? If you look at the economy rates for the leading wicket taking quicks, McGrath is in 4th place at 2.49, Garner next at 2.47, Pollock at 2.39 and Ambrose out on his own at 2.30. McGrath was a great bowler but he wasn't more accurate than Ambrose and as for having a better record, Ambrose has a lower average. Weird.
@@soumalyachatterjee6974According to one of the best bowler of west Indies team Andy Roberts, Bumrah is good enough to play in the great west Indian team of 1970s-1980s
You can't compare McGrath, the pigeon with anyone. He played for almost 15 years Bumrah needs to have longevity. The skills are there for JB. But it's the volume of matches alongside consistency that makes legendary players .
100% Bumrah’s skills are undeniable but his reliability as far as staying fit really lets India down a lot which let’s be honest is because of his strange action. That has to be taken into account.
Longetivity is an important parameter but is not the only parameter otherwise Broad and Anderson would be the best ever and someone like Shane Bond shouldn't even be spoken about. All going well, Bumrah will end up around 250 in wickets which is a large enough sample size to discuss greatness
The difference between broad and Anderson versus McGrath is that McGrath averaged 21 for 14 years in test cricket, he had a better record and the longevity to match
I used to find Marshall, Garner as the world toughest bowlers, then came the likes of Akram, McGrath who were better than M n G, but Bumrah surpassed everyone... never seen any modern player playing a proper cricketing shot to Bumrah... he is next level
First comment of Jarrod vital. Where are we playing and what format? If we don't know it has to be Bumrah as the more versatile and devastating bowler in more situations.
@@krislo4788 mate I remember how surya negated swing in England when he played t20 and Travis head’s supper power against swing is mere luck.. 😀 the ball beats his bat while swinging but fails to Nick it all the time .
The reason they're comparing him to McGrath is itself the evidence of his impact and dominance in all three formats of the game. It doesn't matter how many years you played how many matches you played. He played fairly decent enough matches to be taking into consideration
He has been playing for India since 2017 and was away for about a year due to injury. The guy can bowl any delivery accurately and swing the ball both ways. His performance has been super consistent even including the dry spell he was going through leading up to the WTC final in 2021. Glenn McGrath was one of the best bowlers to play the game, as was Wasim Akram, but Bumrah is the most complete fast bowler in the history of the game till date. Sounds like high praise for a guy who has only been around for half a decade, but he has been showing up at the IPL for over a decade and displaying this quality. He has also dominated ODIs despite the 2 new balls (this imo would make McGrath more lethal today tbf) and he works out plans against batsmen very quickly.
Those who are talking longevity.. should know first..no of cricket matches played now and earlier.. Let's count the number of matches played rather than years. Should include one day ,t20, leagues ,and tests.. U will know the actual meaning of longevity is not years its number of matches
I think it's safe to say that bumrah is the better bowler,as in he's faster almost as accurate,can swing more than McGrath and has a better slower ball and Yorker,also a better reverse swing bowler but McGrath has did it for more games,so currently McGrath but 3 years in the future it would definitely,he's probably the most complete bowler of all time,also works bloody hard
Haha..the lad at right doesnt know the difference between bowling on a patta and bowling on tailor made fast bowling pitches in Aus plus Aus had lots of other bowlers to help him. Try defending 24 off 24 in a WC final and youll seel. Bumrah the GOAT
People miss the fact that Bumrah can swing both ways, has variations, pace, has adapted to different formats, is a smart thinker of the game and above all does ALL this with extreme control. Not that it is important but can be a handy striker with the bat.;)
Jarrod Kimber tells us McGrath has a better record than Ambrose as though this is definitively the case though it hardly seems clear cut. Ambrose has a better test average for starters, obviously McGrath has more wickets having played more games. McGrath's numbers are slightly better in ODI. Been watching since the mid 80s and probably have a bias to the earlier half of that time, but Marshall, Ambrose and Wasim for me!
Yes I thought that showed bias. Not much between Ambrose, Garner and McGrath but I'd choose Ambrose. I rate Marshall as probably the best. I also thought Imran Khan was exceptional, I know most people rate Wasim over him but I thought they were at a similar level. As an aside, McGrath's average in India is lower than his average in Australia which is remarkable.
@@AIJimmybad That is quite something from McGrath. For me with Imran I'm just aware that his best as a bowler was before my time though I did see him play (on TV) in '87 and a bit after. I also can't honestly compare Garner with Ambrose properly for the same reason. I do think that there's still a case for early Waqar Younis having been the most devastating fast bowler of the lot though others including Wasim were better bowlers overall. Waqar is probably a better point of comparison for Bumrah than most of the other bowlers discussed for that matter.
McGrath is tests with new ball in Australia sa English nz conditions but bumrah overall is just a more complete baller as he's more skillful. McGrath just a shade behind. Imo best test baller I saw was md asif n I m indian
McGrath benefited from playing in the 90s and early 2000s when T20 cricket was non existent and batsmen were a lot more conservative compared to today. If McGrath was playing today, he would’ve been too predictable with his line and length and today’s batsmen would’ve absolute hammered him. Consistency in line and length is now passé. Bumrah can keep bowling in the channel all day like he does in test matches but he also has amazing variations that he puts to use in white ball cricket.
@@TJSaw Batsmen can't block a decent ball today, there's no one in the class of Sachin, Lara or Kallis now.. McGrath would've had an absolute ball taking truckloads of easy wickets bowling to these wafters..
@@srinathprakash7042 nah buddy Hazelwood has similar qualities of line and length and if i have to see who is more threatening in all 3 formats bumrah hands down no one in history couldve been more threatening in all 3 formats as bumrah is now! With flat pitches and small grounds and everything agaainst bowlers bats too now a days more advanced! Considering all these changes to amount of cricket played ow and then bumrah is killer!
Really? the bounce and seam movement would be enough for today's t20 batsmen...with shoddy and poor techniques...Mcgrath was effective anywhere he went...check his numbers in the subcontinent
If people say virat cant be compared with sachin bcz of era than bumrah is the greatest pacer of all time bcz today (acc to nostalgia merchants) batting is easy then obviously bumrah> mcgrath,akram, anderson etc. You just have to accept one fact ❤
We have this discussion and no mention of Richard Hadlee? he was as deadly as McGrath. Yes, pitches were more helpful and batsmen were less adventerous. They played the reputation and not the bowler. Not any more..hence I would pin for Bumrah. It will be interesting to see Bumrah Brook play each other. We missed it last winter
It is a misnomer that things were harder...2000 to 2010 were easier conditions than now because now draw basically means shooting your chance of WTC qualifications so draws are not desired at all...
Pollock was slower than McGrath. Ambrose was similar to McGrath, maybe quicket. Stuart Clark was for a few years. The key is how long you can do it, which only Ambrose does. Bumrah still has some way to go yet.
McGrath got very late deviation and more bounce from just short of length which was too far to go forward to and too close to play on the back foot and impossible to leave because it always on the off stump. High arm, steadier head than Pollock and Ambrose and hence slower. The stillness of his head and upper body was the equivalent of Tendulkar's balance while batting or Maradona's while carrying the ball.
McGrath was a metronome. I don't think there is anyone in the history of cricket who was as accurate and consistent. He wasn't intimidating in terms of pace, but he was just so difficult to hit. Bumrah is an X factor player because he's so different. I think I would much prefer facing McGrath because I know what I would get, but it doesn't make him any less effective than Bumrah. Plus, Jarrod is right that it depends on what phases of the game you want the bowler for. Bumrah is arguably the greatest death bowler in the history of cricket, maybe only having competition with Akram. But McGrath is arguably the greatest new ball bowler. And I think Ambrose is right up there with McGrath. In test cricket, he actually has a slightly better average than McGrath. He was just part of a WI team that was going downhill.
How many times did Bumrah get the new ball and most importantly in conducive conditions? See I'm not demeaning McGrath (how could I esp to that bowler who was the epitome of fast bowling for almost 2 decades). But however considering modern day conditions esp the kind of workload, fatigue factor, unfavorable conditions a fast bowler has to deal with add the requirements of various formats to it too I guess Bumrah has a slight edge over McGrath.
@@DoorasharavaaAryano he doesn't, all those aspects you mentioned have marginal effect on the overall performance. he played on ausie pitches and still had god level stats.
Boom is yet to reach that level from where he can distinguish with Pigeon,we indian knows the immense contribution of Pigeon in cricket after 5 years distinguish boom with great Aussie till than allow him to play.🙏
Anderson, Mc Grawth, Walsh, Akram, Donald, Polock, Akthar, Zaheer, Vaas, Malinga, Bumrah, Garner , Warne, Murali, Kumble, Ashwin.. you'll only have to replicate them, copy paste them, they are all their own, they found their own.
Bumrah is a threat to Marshall and Ambrose( in terms of bowling avg). Bumrah takes 4.7 wkts per test match. But he wont last long and play 120 tests. If Bumrah plays till 35 or 36 , he can take around 350 test wickts in 75 tests. Bumrah can be judged only ,if after heis retirement and not now .
Don't know how to compare two bowlers of different Era. Many are saying that back then cricket was more bowler friendly. But there is another side of the coin that may be McGrath would adapt to the present requirements if he had played in the present Era. We never know, that's why these comparisons are some how irrational to me.
Bumrah has an unorthodox bowling action much like Starc or Malinga. Except Starc bends a lot and malinga threw sideways.Malinga had been threatening for a brief period. Mcgrath had orthodox action like every bowler of Aus and England. You would notice most Asian bowlers nowadays have similar bowling action and they get a good swing.
I'm Indian and I can tell from skill wise, Akram might be the best bowler in modern history (i was not born earlier to know anything about Lilee or Marshal) and from an overall bowler perspective - skill, precision, old ball, slower ball, that nagging length, fitness, longevity, success in all forms of cricket and finally the two things that differentiates goats from others - consistency and success that he helped create for the great Aussie side despite being in Warne's era, McGrath is the best imo. He led to more Aussie victories than any of his other peers. Bumrah needs to perform for the next 5 yrs at least at current level to prove his consistency and contribute directly to the team's success rates. I think Bumrah might end up lagging in fitness and consistency compared to McGrath. The factors that makes McGrath better than other bowlers in his and beyond his era. One thing that works in Bumrah's favor that might tip the scale is he never relies on dirty tricks. That one thing, which helped Messi to accomplish more than Ronaldo even though Ronaldo could perform in any team you put him in. That kinda distracted CR7s focus on the task in hand often reducing his consistency to second best to Messi's in modern history
We are ignoring the fact that due to excessive t20 cricket, the modern day batters have almost no temparent and solid defense like they used to. Not taking away anything from Bumrah, He's a genius and the greatest of the present era but today's batters having a go at every 3rd ball even in Test cricket these days are surely making it easy for him I think.
how different are mcgrath and Hazlewood? in ability, in accuracy etc. Can we not say with different dynamics of different eras.. Mcgrath would have a Hazlewood kind of career.
Hahahahaha. Not remotely. That’s like saying Chris Gayle and Brian Lara are both strike player West Indians and as good as each other. Indian people are so biased. They cry in their lack of success
Hazlewood pitches it slightly back of an ideal length which means he's less likely to overpitch but has a lot of plays and misses rather than nicks, the good thing is he doesn't get driven often so he has a lower economy. It's why Cummins and Starc generally get more wickets than him. Mcgrath was slightly missing or hitting off stump all the time depending on deviation off the seam off batters started leaving him.
Way different...Hazelwood is a basic up and down bowler...funny how you compare him to Mcgrath..Mcgrath has the wood over every great batsmen there was during his era...Mcgrath bowled the perfect in between length and the ball seamed with bounce...thats the difference...Mcgrath was actually a thinking fast bowler...Hazelwood is just a basic robot up and down...
@@krislo4788 I have not seen much of Mcgrath. I remember Hazlewood being compared to Mcgrath early in his career (maybe because of his accuracy). Thats why I asked.
Good point. Mcgrath would have had a career like Hazlewood today but Hazlewood is still quick after 12 years of international cricket. He is quicker than Mcgrath
Of all the visiting fast bowlers ,Bumrah has great bowling average in tests in Aus (21.7) in 7 tests Better than Wasim , Anderson and Ambrose and Waqar.
Rules of ICC nowadays have made cricket only for batsman and marketing which even batting legends like Sachin and Lara commented is not good for game. So even if McGrath, Ambrose, Wasim or Donald would have bowled today would have mostly got hammered which they rarely went through in 90's.
@@njokic2176 may be to reach McGrath greatness, bumrah requires 4-5 years.. look at the flat pitches, small boundaries, big bats, powerplays.. also mcgrath played most of his matches in Australia which helps fast bowlers but Bumrah bowling on indian tracks that helps spinners.. now you can judge who is better bowler when its a match up.. both are great bowlers for sure..
Even I'd pick McGrath as an Indian, bumrah is undoubtedly the best bowler of the last 15 years.. But i feel he still needs a couple more years to be considered on the level of mcgrath/ambrose
@@pranav.m.warrier7407 mcgrath is great, no doubt.. we should not count on number of wickets or matches.. bradman has got only 7000 runs compared to sachin 16000 runs but bradman is the greatest of all and sachin being second.. if you keep mcgrath and bumrah in the same team, who will be your go-to bowler in all situation?.. that will answer the question..
@@gsathish87lol pitches same hai batsman ne aproch change Kiya hai attaking khelte hai bumrah 2016 21 T20 WC me flop 2017 champion trophy me bhi McGrath ka icc events me performance dekh
With Bumrah … in recent t20 worldcup 2024 … every team against India was considering 16 overs … and play dot ball or save wickets in 4 overs of Bumrah… so imagine Bumrah in 90s era where there lot of support for bowlers compared to now with flat pitches and batting dominating era
Bumrah, if he can have longetivity to get to 350-400 test wickets, would seal the deal over mcGrath for me. Because while McGrath was marginally more accurate, Bumrah was significantly quicker in his peak( Bumrah peaked at 147-148kph range, McGrath peaked at 140-142 range) and Bumrah is a significantly better reverse swing bowler than McGrath, while also moving the ball more on conventional seam than McGrath.
I’m going with McGrath. He stood up in all the top matches. Finals etc. Bumrah’s record in CT 17 final, WTC final and WC 23 final was mediocre. He did do well in T20 WC but Klassen was removed by Pandya.
If people say batting in the current generation (say 2010 and beyond) is easier because of slightly smaller grounds, availability of DRS, two new balls vs one new ball (in ODI/T20), flattest possible pitches, then Bumrah has to be given the rating he deserves. He is bowling in the toughest era for bowlers and yet winning matches with ease.
My conclusion is you can't compare them. The time has changed,the pitches have changed,the batting styles has changed I think it's just pointless to compare them.
As an Indian supporter who loved Bumrah and is so thankful to him in the team, McGrath any day. The answer may change after 5 years and I really hope it does but McGrath was dependable in all conditions.
For most part of the conversation i agree with him but the moment he pick glen over jassi in t20 i know from where it is coming..he is just biased lad...dont take him seriously...there is no match of jasprit bumrah in t20 ..with that lenth glen will be very costly in t20..surya and rohit would have hit him all around the ground..
Looking at the evolution of the game, ball restrictions, batting approach, conditions/pitches, 3 formats, economical, wickets, game changer Bumrah is a contender for the all time/all format great but let's wait for some years as he has atleast 3/4 years of peak performance. As an Indian I consider McGrath a legend but Bumrah still has to prove himself by longevity/consistency in the coming years, he is the best we have and don't want to overhype him like some players from another country (if you know, you know😷) Bumrah has to deliver every match/tournament✌🏻
Taking set batsman's wicket is far more difficult than taking wicket with new ball over a fresh pitch. You will find many of this type And Bumrah took set batsman's wicket in every format, in every situation. That's why, he is so leathel. This single fact makes Bumrah a bit superior than McGrath (with due respect to the legendary MacGrath)🇮🇳🇮🇳
@@Aman-nk5uq his debut series in tests was South african summer 2017-2018 right, he looked very unplayable with new ball swinging it both ways, before this(in 2018) he was more of a white ball bowler, right now he is a proper test bowler with white ball format abilities added.
Bumrah is already greatest bowler because he is playing in batting era... Flat pitches , he is a genius...
Not to forget 2 ball in odi and t20 format which is tilted towards batsman
nice to be allowed to throw the ball, lets see if he is any good when he bowls not throws it
Accept the talent and the way he bowls rather than blaming him with throw. He is a genuine bowler who dont jerk.
@@simonglancy5729 you need to check the rules ...
If everyone agrees currently pitches are flattest all over the world and batting is easier compared to 20 years ago, it easily makes bumrah the best bowler as he makes batsman play tests in t20s
no way, pitches were way flatter in the 2000's than they are today. Bumrah doesnt have the longivety that mcgrath had across all formats yet to be compared to him
@@njokic2176But McGrath played most of his games in the 90s, when it was toughest to bat. Plus, easier batting conditions became a thing at the far end of McGrath's career.
@@njokic2176and moreover McGrath mostly bowled in batsman friendly conditions of Australia and Bumrah is bowling in bowling friendly conditions of subcontinent 😂
Pitces are flat only in white ball.
Red ball is at it's hardest for batting since 2017 lol.
80s were easy, 90s were 2nd hardest era for batting, 2000-2016 were then the easiest flat tracks of any era and then comes 2017-till now as the hardest era to bat.
Glenn was top 2 pacer in the 90s and then in 00-07 he was world's best pacer with even better numbers than his 90s which is why he is regarded as the best as 00-07 were flat wickets and he was bowling the same in them too.
And it's not like Glenn is the only challenge here.
Ambrose's numbers are same as Mcgrath, Steyn is also a goat level bowler as he played his whole life in flat track era and got the best of wicket taking abilities then there's Marshall too who's raw numbers are similar to Bumrah with more than double the wickets of him.
Bumrah will have to take 300+ wickets in tests with the same numbers to prove that he is on this level of GOATs
Nope bumrah had played more overseas tests than home ... And what makes bumrah even more lethal is his stats in the subcontinent which are better than his overseas stats ... @@RAHULGUPTA-ut7yy
the thing about bumrah is, the mastery he has over all three formats, which is near to impossible for any bowler
Occams razor argument...
Mcgrath had precision of highest order and a cunning mind, but Jasprit does not entirely lack these either. On top of that he is playing in smaller grounds flatter pitches, he has awkward action, and different paced yorkers. Mcgrath was Mcgrath because nobody actually tried going at 7-8-9 runs per over and such things, while bumrah bowls long spells in test, he do the hard yard, and in t20s he could bowl his 4 overs in 3 spells if need be and be equally effective which is crazy.Mcgrath is a legend and only it took someone as skill possessed as Bumrah to not call his name.
You are absolutely right
Bumrah is a beast
Dominating all 3 formats is not at all easy
Just see that bumrah’s dismissal of Robinson in 20/21 series I think, india needed 3 wickets and there was only 10 overs left in the day and Robinson was out there for a long time and bumrah bowled a leg cutter to him, Robinson just got deceived it hits him on his pad, lbw gone
That was an off cutter but yeah@@anubhav111196
McGrath was the bowler who gave least runs in first IP season
IPL
Kimber forgets Tendulkar started stepping out to prime McGrath first, not KP. Check the 2000 Champions trophy footage in Nairobi and the one day series after that in India. It was a deliberate and successful ploy by the master.
spot on, it was not just Nairobi, the domination was carried into the series where Aus toured India...
But have never seen Sachin dominate Mcgrath in tests esp those playes in Aus...
@@tarakvaakil8553 Sachin was the MOS in the 99 series which India toured, he was not there in 92 and 04
If only he had remembered to do the same in the 2003 WC final!! 😂
@@mrslask1 Actually it was the pressure of chasing 360. Check him how he played him the group stage, took his time and scored runs off him......
But chasing 360, he wanted to show 'intent' and well paid the price
i remember watching that match live.
McGrath has given several nightmares, but I will still rate Bumrah over. People might forget McGrath is supported by the one of the all time best fast bowling attack like Lee, Fleming, Kasprowicz. Bumrah can get you wicket anywhere at any stage of game.
Bumrah has Shami , Siraj and Ashwin...just like Mcgrath...look at the Aus team without Mcgrath...look at Mcgrath's record in the subcontinent
@@krislo4788Siraj is not as consistent as Shami. Shami and Bumrah perform very well together. Bumrah has performed very well even without Shami but Shami is not able to perform that well without Bumrah.Still, I believe Siraj and Shami are more dangerous than Bumrah on their day. The GOAT debate always involves McGrath and Lee. Till date no one has included Siraj and Shami in the GOAT debate.
You can’t use that argument because binary has played with bowlers as good as those guys like shami and siraj, and the best spinner of the generation with ashwin
@@Sandyking14Lee is no GOAT. He is one of the greatest only in odis. No way in tests
McGrath was better at his specific job
But bumrah is fantastic at everything
So it really just depends which one you view as more important
Reasons - Flattest pitches,Small grounds, mindset of batsman,No saliva,Rules are like icc wants every batsman to become sachin or lara ask any of 90s bowler to bowl in todays pitches most of them will struggle nowadays.❤️
That's why the respect for Bumrah increase more and more...
Even in this Batting Era, the Flat Pitches, Smaller Grounds, Big Size Bats, 1 Bouncer Rule....... Still in all these circumstances Bumrah produces masterclass every single time.
@@madhavrathore5988 Where was his masterclass in the WTC 2021 Final 0/93 and 2023 WC Final ( 2/43 with 1 wicket lbw which wasnt out and the other wicket the batsmen slashed at a ball that wouldve been called a wide)
@@njokic2176 if you had watched full game ball by ball instead just scoreboard you may not dare to comment here.
@@unemployedcricketer yesss
@@unemployedcricketer i watched both games, he didnt look threatening at all. Likewise in the 2017 CT final too
Mcgrath won only one test series in India.
But Bumrah like Marshall and Steyn ,won test series in Aus twice.
Dont under estimate Bumrah.
A potent bowler.
First test wkt of Bumrah was ABDivilliers ,in 2018.
ABD is a high class stroke player and modern great .
I wonder if the style of cricket today makes harder for bowlers today than today. Because of Glen was predictable, i think batters today would adjust to predictable. Dont get me wrong i think Glenn was a killer but Bumrah just gives a different thing.
Glenn was far from predictable. No two balls bounced the same height and he could move the ball either way. Only his general line was predictable everything else was very hard to pick up that’s why even the very very best had no clue against him
His length,line were predictable but then he could skid on,rise on you move away move in and that too almost at his will that's why he was great
As an Indian it is flattering to hear people comparing bumrah to these all time greats
Same here, Indian Critics and especially fans too didn't celebrate Jasprit with due credits, Only because he is a bowler
People should Understand Jasprit Contributed a lot to the Indian team than, any other cricketer has ever did
@@aravinthsamy6867India fans like batting more I think and thats why they call kohli king and Tendulkar God of cricket but bowlers don't really get that treatment
I disagree with these guys. McGrath is NOT predictable. He got his wickets because his line and length may have been predictable but his deviation off the seam was subtle enough to get either get an edge or hit you on the pads in front of the wicket. He was like a metronome. He just didn't give you anything and would frustrate you as a batsman. You couldn't score freely form him because he rarely gave you a bad ball. Other bowlers may have moved the ball more but they were inaccurate and would miss the edge because the movement was too big and same for LBW as it would miss the stumps. McGrath's subtlety combined with accuracy made him the ultimate assassin. a
Good Observation..
McGrath was probably the most accurate of bowlers ever. And only he, himself could ever explain his thought process. But I think since batting Today is easier with flat batting pitches an such so bumrah maybe got an edge.
Accurate description sir.. Nice
I've seen McGrath bowl in England and sometimes he'd get the ball to move off the seam when nobody else could. He said that Sydney university analysed his bowling after he retired and they said he got more revs of backspin on the ball than other bowlers and this may have been the reason.
I've mentioned in another comment that I don't believe he was quite as accurate as Ambrose as his economy rate was 2.49 whereas Ambrose was 2.30, which puts Ambrose way out in front of all the leading wicket taking quicks.
@@AIJimmybad I feel like I am getting more knowledge than ever about cricket... I am 33 and played college cricket. Nice.
I also remember McGrath breaking KP's ribs during the 2007 Ashes in Australia when KP charged about 5 balls in a row. On the 5th ball, McGrath dug it in short and had him out of the test injured - it was a masterclass in fast bowling. Lillee over Thommo every time.
That was in the ODI series.
1st match of Commonwealth Bank series 2007
That was ODI tri series. McGrath used to bowl 128-133 kphs then. From 1999 to 2002 he bowled 138-139 kphs
Not really sure why people assume that bcs McGrath wouldn't be effective today - he hammered a length during his career because that was what was worked, what got wickets, and he would almost certainly adjust his bowling to vary length in the high-strike rate environment of today. He had a good slower ball/yorker when he wanted to use them, and his ODI record is pretty stellar. Don't get why everyone has come to the conclusion that one of the most accurate bowlers in living memory, possible the most accurate, wouldn't be able to move his length around and adjust his bowling to suit the conditions, the man bowled at Sehwag and Jayasuriya and they weren't exactly slow-scoring. Can only judge him based off how he performed in the context of his era in my opinion.
Depends what you want. For a ten-twelve year test career you want a McGrath playing in all conditions and rarely being injured. In modern cricket in all formats of the game in all conditions I’d go with Bumrah.
Ambrose is a better version of mcgrath, bhumrah is beast in all formats.
Not true
True..
BUMRAH VS AMBROSE is a closer debate...
@@sugoshiyer1540Ambrose 😂 type bowlers will be smashed in T20/
McGrath has had more success in test cricket and way more success in one day cricket than Ambrose
Absolutely.👍👍
The thing about mcgrath is that he has that Hazlewood control He is basically hazlewood but better but the problem is pitches have changed
Lol...Hazelwood is no where near Mcgrath..the seam movement and x factor that Mcgrath had was something else...Hazelwood is a basic up and down bowler..thats it
This Kimber totally overrates McGrath.
Calls him the best newvall bowler ever, McGrath is one of the absolute greats, but has this bloke never seen Malcolm Marshall take the new ball.
An additional point noone mentions, Bumrah is playing in the age of data science and statistics at drop of hat in extremely granular detail, which makes finding weakness in players lot easier...so batters have more data to prepare against him...then flat pitches, t20 mentality , batters game in todays time...undisputed GOAT
that granularity favors bowlers over batsmen -- might be the only thing in the modern game that does! analytics will do more to tell bumrah where to bowl to a particular batter; that batter can learn as much as they want about what bumrah does, but then he still has to go out and play an unhittable ball
@@akbarshahzad5780 yeah thats also true no doubt
I agree with Jarrod. We can find somewhat similar new-ball bowlers like McGrath. For example, Pollock, Philander, and Hazlewood, who are good with the new ball and accurate. However, it's difficult to find a replacement for Bumrah
if India had someone like Bumrah back in 1996 they would have easily won the WC. his bowling at the death with the 35 over old ball reverencing, would have been a nightmare for others.
Bumrah is definitely an all format bowler that I would pick in my team.. McGrath is brilliant but I doubt he would have had same impact in T20
Check McGrath t20 record….
Bumrah is a so so bowler
@@Rohanbhal_30McGrath played only 2 t20
@@soumalyachatterjee6974 ask those how faced him
I love Bumrah's bowling and kinda take pride in the fact that he plays for India. Never imagined an Indian fast bowler to be so effective and so potent, across the format and in all the conditions (and phases of a game) and the one to be feared and respected by all around the cricketing world. But, he's got to play and keep doing what he's been doing for a few more years before he is considered at the same level as Pigeon. Used to be so awestruck watching McGrath bowl and used to keenly follow Ashes back in the days just because of him.
Bumrah is more multidimensional than mcgrath ,mcgrath was great with a few things,thus his great record,but bumrah can do pretty much everything a bowler can do,very consistently
Bumrah can hurt the batsmen. Batsmen are trying to save their wicket & their head.
With McGrath the risk of getting hurt was never there.
Bumrah is mentally tougher as well.
McGrath was tough & nasty as long as he was dominating & umpires were helping with helmet before wicket dismissals. But once he got hit (examples below**) he cried like a baby.
Also fast bowlers hunt in pairs like McGrath & Steve Bucknor. So Bucknor should get some credit too.
** Refer to Tendulkar smashing him in 2000 ICC Champions Trophy Nairobi & Abdul Razzak hitting 5 consecutive boundaries in SCG, 2000.
McGrath's accuracy and ability to hit that nagging length where batsman didn't know whether to be on the front or back foot was unbelievable.
Almost allowed him to get away with not being express pace, though he was not a dibby dobbler either.
How is this bloke saying that McGrath is more accurate than Ambrose?
If you look at the economy rates for the leading wicket taking quicks, McGrath is in 4th place at 2.49, Garner next at 2.47, Pollock at 2.39 and Ambrose out on his own at 2.30.
McGrath was a great bowler but he wasn't more accurate than Ambrose and as for having a better record, Ambrose has a lower average. Weird.
Yeah. Totally baffled me because usually, Jarrod knows his statistics really well. I guess not this time.
Top 3 fast bowlers across formats are definitely garner bumrah and mcgrath
Bumrah no way
Garner was unplayable in ODIs (The best ever rating point by a bowler in odis). Also excellent in tests.
@@soumalyachatterjee6974According to one of the best bowler of west Indies team Andy Roberts, Bumrah is good enough to play in the great west Indian team of 1970s-1980s
Stuart Clark, Hazelwood and Boland are like McGrath.
Bumrah is like a hybrid of Marshal and Ambrose. Awkward, potent, accurate - all at the same time.
Bumrah is no where near to Ambrose or marshall
As a Indian, I would pick McGrath...JB has still long way to go..
Oof, such a good discussion. Can't go wrong with either pick but the insights were truly unique and thoughtful
I am surprised they didn't mention Hadlee , pretty much same as Mcgrath in accuracy and pace.
Loved your comment
You can't compare McGrath, the pigeon with anyone. He played for almost 15 years Bumrah needs to have longevity. The skills are there for JB. But it's the volume of matches alongside consistency that makes legendary players .
100% Bumrah’s skills are undeniable but his reliability as far as staying fit really lets India down a lot which let’s be honest is because of his strange action. That has to be taken into account.
Bumrah cant play that long because of his action ..that action is injury maker specially it hurts his spine
Longetivity is an important parameter but is not the only parameter otherwise Broad and Anderson would be the best ever and someone like Shane Bond shouldn't even be spoken about. All going well, Bumrah will end up around 250 in wickets which is a large enough sample size to discuss greatness
The difference between broad and Anderson versus McGrath is that McGrath averaged 21 for 14 years in test cricket, he had a better record and the longevity to match
I would say bond is toughest to find .
I would love to hear the conversation in person ..debates of the highest order . I would be all ears
I used to find Marshall, Garner as the world toughest bowlers, then came the likes of Akram, McGrath who were better than M n G, but Bumrah surpassed everyone... never seen any modern player playing a proper cricketing shot to Bumrah... he is next level
First comment of Jarrod vital. Where are we playing and what format? If we don't know it has to be Bumrah as the more versatile and devastating bowler in more situations.
Curtly Ambrose the greatest bowler no debate!! He was in team that was in decline in terms of batting and overall results but he was the greatest!!!!
McGrath was accurate but now it is different ball game.. if u r accurate someone like surya and Travis will go after you..
Surya and Travis have no clue what to do when the ball seams around...give it a rest,mate
@@krislo4788 mate I remember how surya negated swing in England when he played t20 and Travis head’s supper power against swing is mere luck.. 😀 the ball beats his bat while swinging but fails to Nick it all the time .
@@ttgautam21 Lol...good luck to you and your critical thinking👌
@@krislo4788 thank u. I m glad u agree..
@@ttgautam21 I dont...sarcasm and electricity in India...
Bumrah needs 4-5 years of this same consistency to be in the conversation of being compared to McGrath
It's not about greatest question is about who will be the toughest bowler for a batsman to face u can't compare players only on the basis of numbers.
He is consistent. The only problem is his fitness.
The reason they're comparing him to McGrath is itself the evidence of his impact and dominance in all three formats of the game. It doesn't matter how many years you played how many matches you played. He played fairly decent enough matches to be taking into consideration
He has been playing for India since 2017 and was away for about a year due to injury. The guy can bowl any delivery accurately and swing the ball both ways. His performance has been super consistent even including the dry spell he was going through leading up to the WTC final in 2021. Glenn McGrath was one of the best bowlers to play the game, as was Wasim Akram, but Bumrah is the most complete fast bowler in the history of the game till date. Sounds like high praise for a guy who has only been around for half a decade, but he has been showing up at the IPL for over a decade and displaying this quality. He has also dominated ODIs despite the 2 new balls (this imo would make McGrath more lethal today tbf) and he works out plans against batsmen very quickly.
No
Those who are talking longevity.. should know first..no of cricket matches played now and earlier..
Let's count the number of matches played rather than years. Should include one day ,t20, leagues ,and tests..
U will know the actual meaning of longevity is not years its number of matches
Good point
I think it's safe to say that bumrah is the better bowler,as in he's faster almost as accurate,can swing more than McGrath and has a better slower ball and Yorker,also a better reverse swing bowler but McGrath has did it for more games,so currently McGrath but 3 years in the future it would definitely,he's probably the most complete bowler of all time,also works bloody hard
Love these chats and this whole series. Keep them coming!
Having Shane Warne on the other side immensely helped McGrath.
Mcgrath
Macgrath in this batting eta??? He would have suffered...Even Dale Steyn had to suffer....
Yupp. They will be attacked in white ball
Haha..the lad at right doesnt know the difference between bowling on a patta and bowling on tailor made fast bowling pitches in Aus plus Aus had lots of other bowlers to help him. Try defending 24 off 24 in a WC final and youll seel. Bumrah the GOAT
Both are amazing bowlers but Bumbra accordingly me is the greatest fast/ sem baller ever.
People miss the fact that Bumrah can swing both ways, has variations, pace, has adapted to different formats, is a smart thinker of the game and above all does ALL this with extreme control.
Not that it is important but can be a handy striker with the bat.;)
Jarrod Kimber tells us McGrath has a better record than Ambrose as though this is definitively the case though it hardly seems clear cut. Ambrose has a better test average for starters, obviously McGrath has more wickets having played more games. McGrath's numbers are slightly better in ODI.
Been watching since the mid 80s and probably have a bias to the earlier half of that time, but Marshall, Ambrose and Wasim for me!
Yes I thought that showed bias. Not much between Ambrose, Garner and McGrath but I'd choose Ambrose. I rate Marshall as probably the best.
I also thought Imran Khan was exceptional, I know most people rate Wasim over him but I thought they were at a similar level.
As an aside, McGrath's average in India is lower than his average in Australia which is remarkable.
@@AIJimmybad That is quite something from McGrath.
For me with Imran I'm just aware that his best as a bowler was before my time though I did see him play (on TV) in '87 and a bit after. I also can't honestly compare Garner with Ambrose properly for the same reason.
I do think that there's still a case for early Waqar Younis having been the most devastating fast bowler of the lot though others including Wasim were better bowlers overall. Waqar is probably a better point of comparison for Bumrah than most of the other bowlers discussed for that matter.
Yeah, that's why there's a dozen Batsmen better than Tendulkar in Test Cricket's history?
@@saikatkar4452 ?
Loved your comment..👍👍
McGrath is tests with new ball in Australia sa English nz conditions but bumrah overall is just a more complete baller as he's more skillful. McGrath just a shade behind. Imo best test baller I saw was md asif n I m indian
McGrath benefited from playing in the 90s and early 2000s when T20 cricket was non existent and batsmen were a lot more conservative compared to today. If McGrath was playing today, he would’ve been too predictable with his line and length and today’s batsmen would’ve absolute hammered him. Consistency in line and length is now passé. Bumrah can keep bowling in the channel all day like he does in test matches but he also has amazing variations that he puts to use in white ball cricket.
Hazlewood does really well in whiteball bowling and his thing is doing the same stuff Mcgrath did though.
@@TJSaw Batsmen can't block a decent ball today, there's no one in the class of Sachin, Lara or Kallis now.. McGrath would've had an absolute ball taking truckloads of easy wickets bowling to these wafters..
@@srinathprakash7042 nah buddy Hazelwood has similar qualities of line and length and if i have to see who is more threatening in all 3 formats bumrah hands down no one in history couldve been more threatening in all 3 formats as bumrah is now! With flat pitches and small grounds and everything agaainst bowlers bats too now a days more advanced! Considering all these changes to amount of cricket played ow and then bumrah is killer!
Really? the bounce and seam movement would be enough for today's t20 batsmen...with shoddy and poor techniques...Mcgrath was effective anywhere he went...check his numbers in the subcontinent
Doubt McGrath would get hammered. If it came close to it, he'd change his game, and he had the skills to do so.
If people say virat cant be compared with sachin bcz of era than bumrah is the greatest pacer of all time bcz today (acc to nostalgia merchants) batting is easy then obviously bumrah> mcgrath,akram, anderson etc. You just have to accept one fact ❤
We have this discussion and no mention of Richard Hadlee? he was as deadly as McGrath. Yes, pitches were more helpful and batsmen were less adventerous. They played the reputation and not the bowler. Not any more..hence I would pin for Bumrah. It will be interesting to see Bumrah Brook play each other. We missed it last winter
Bumrah, tall?! He is all of 5' 10" 😂 His stature is distorting the perception 😅
It is a misnomer that things were harder...2000 to 2010 were easier conditions than now because now draw basically means shooting your chance of WTC qualifications so draws are not desired at all...
Bumrah is like 5'10 5'11 not 6'2.
5-9.5/ 5-10.
He has broad shoulders that give the impression of a tall man.
@@iinderr1 that would make you look smaller
@@DitzySmoff how?
@@Scott99259 McGath is 6’5! Much taller!
I would like to have steyn also in this discussion
Pollock was slower than McGrath. Ambrose was similar to McGrath, maybe quicket. Stuart Clark was for a few years. The key is how long you can do it, which only Ambrose does. Bumrah still has some way to go yet.
McGrath got very late deviation and more bounce from just short of length which was too far to go forward to and too close to play on the back foot and impossible to leave because it always on the off stump. High arm, steadier head than Pollock and Ambrose and hence slower. The stillness of his head and upper body was the equivalent of Tendulkar's balance while batting or Maradona's while carrying the ball.
Good points
McGrath was a metronome. I don't think there is anyone in the history of cricket who was as accurate and consistent. He wasn't intimidating in terms of pace, but he was just so difficult to hit. Bumrah is an X factor player because he's so different. I think I would much prefer facing McGrath because I know what I would get, but it doesn't make him any less effective than Bumrah. Plus, Jarrod is right that it depends on what phases of the game you want the bowler for. Bumrah is arguably the greatest death bowler in the history of cricket, maybe only having competition with Akram. But McGrath is arguably the greatest new ball bowler. And I think Ambrose is right up there with McGrath. In test cricket, he actually has a slightly better average than McGrath. He was just part of a WI team that was going downhill.
How many times did Bumrah get the new ball and most importantly in conducive conditions? See I'm not demeaning McGrath (how could I esp to that bowler who was the epitome of fast bowling for almost 2 decades). But however considering modern day conditions esp the kind of workload, fatigue factor, unfavorable conditions a fast bowler has to deal with add the requirements of various formats to it too I guess Bumrah has a slight edge over McGrath.
@@DoorasharavaaAryano he doesn't, all those aspects you mentioned have marginal effect on the overall performance. he played on ausie pitches and still had god level stats.
Boom is yet to reach that level from where he can distinguish with Pigeon,we indian knows the immense contribution of Pigeon in cricket after 5 years distinguish boom with great Aussie till than allow him to play.🙏
Anderson, Mc Grawth, Walsh, Akram, Donald, Polock, Akthar, Zaheer, Vaas, Malinga, Bumrah, Garner , Warne, Murali, Kumble, Ashwin.. you'll only have to replicate them, copy paste them, they are all their own, they found their own.
Bumrah is a threat to
Marshall and Ambrose( in terms of bowling avg).
Bumrah takes 4.7 wkts per test match.
But he wont last long and play 120 tests.
If Bumrah plays till 35 or 36 , he can take around 350 test wickts in 75 tests.
Bumrah can be judged only ,if after heis retirement and not now .
One thing I liked about this chat is that both are honest, and their opinions are not corrupted.
Bumhra has better average and strike rate then all previous fast bowlers in batting dominating era .. that’s says it all
Don't know how to compare two bowlers of different Era. Many are saying that back then cricket was more bowler friendly. But there is another side of the coin that may be McGrath would adapt to the present requirements if he had played in the present Era. We never know, that's why these comparisons are some how irrational to me.
Bumrah has an unorthodox bowling action much like Starc or Malinga. Except Starc bends a lot and malinga threw sideways.Malinga had been threatening for a brief period.
Mcgrath had orthodox action like every bowler of Aus and England. You would notice most Asian bowlers nowadays have similar bowling action and they get a good swing.
I'm Indian and I can tell from skill wise, Akram might be the best bowler in modern history (i was not born earlier to know anything about Lilee or Marshal) and from an overall bowler perspective - skill, precision, old ball, slower ball, that nagging length, fitness, longevity, success in all forms of cricket and finally the two things that differentiates goats from others - consistency and success that he helped create for the great Aussie side despite being in Warne's era, McGrath is the best imo. He led to more Aussie victories than any of his other peers. Bumrah needs to perform for the next 5 yrs at least at current level to prove his consistency and contribute directly to the team's success rates. I think Bumrah might end up lagging in fitness and consistency compared to McGrath. The factors that makes McGrath better than other bowlers in his and beyond his era. One thing that works in Bumrah's favor that might tip the scale is he never relies on dirty tricks. That one thing, which helped Messi to accomplish more than Ronaldo even though Ronaldo could perform in any team you put him in. That kinda distracted CR7s focus on the task in hand often reducing his consistency to second best to Messi's in modern history
We are ignoring the fact that due to excessive t20 cricket, the modern day batters have almost no temparent and solid defense like they used to. Not taking away anything from Bumrah, He's a genius and the greatest of the present era but today's batters having a go at every 3rd ball even in Test cricket these days are surely making it easy for him I think.
Technically, Bumrah is half a cm lesser than 5'11".
So do late melcolm Marshall।
Yes
how different are mcgrath and Hazlewood? in ability, in accuracy etc.
Can we not say with different dynamics of different eras.. Mcgrath would have a Hazlewood kind of career.
Hahahahaha.
Not remotely.
That’s like saying Chris Gayle and Brian Lara are both strike player West Indians and as good as each other.
Indian people are so biased. They cry in their lack of success
Hazlewood pitches it slightly back of an ideal length which means he's less likely to overpitch but has a lot of plays and misses rather than nicks, the good thing is he doesn't get driven often so he has a lower economy. It's why Cummins and Starc generally get more wickets than him. Mcgrath was slightly missing or hitting off stump all the time depending on deviation off the seam off batters started leaving him.
Way different...Hazelwood is a basic up and down bowler...funny how you compare him to Mcgrath..Mcgrath has the wood over every great batsmen there was during his era...Mcgrath bowled the perfect in between length and the ball seamed with bounce...thats the difference...Mcgrath was actually a thinking fast bowler...Hazelwood is just a basic robot up and down...
@@krislo4788 I have not seen much of Mcgrath. I remember Hazlewood being compared to Mcgrath early in his career (maybe because of his accuracy). Thats why I asked.
Good point. Mcgrath would have had a career like Hazlewood today but Hazlewood is still quick after 12 years of international cricket. He is quicker than Mcgrath
Of all the visiting fast bowlers ,Bumrah has great bowling average in tests in Aus (21.7) in 7 tests
Better than Wasim , Anderson and Ambrose and Waqar.
McGrath is don of all bowlers ❤
Rules of ICC nowadays have made cricket only for batsman and marketing which even batting legends like Sachin and Lara commented is not good for game. So even if McGrath, Ambrose, Wasim or Donald would have bowled today would have mostly got hammered which they rarely went through in 90's.
McGrath is best bumrha is poor
Jarred has to pick McGrath , otherwise his Australian citizenship would be revoked 🤣
McGrath right now is the correct choice. Bumrah needs another 4-5 of this consistency to be compared to McGrath
@@njokic2176 may be to reach McGrath greatness, bumrah requires 4-5 years.. look at the flat pitches, small boundaries, big bats, powerplays.. also mcgrath played most of his matches in Australia which helps fast bowlers but Bumrah bowling on indian tracks that helps spinners.. now you can judge who is better bowler when its a match up.. both are great bowlers for sure..
Even I'd pick McGrath as an Indian, bumrah is undoubtedly the best bowler of the last 15 years.. But i feel he still needs a couple more years to be considered on the level of mcgrath/ambrose
@@pranav.m.warrier7407 mcgrath is great, no doubt.. we should not count on number of wickets or matches.. bradman has got only 7000 runs compared to sachin 16000 runs but bradman is the greatest of all and sachin being second.. if you keep mcgrath and bumrah in the same team, who will be your go-to bowler in all situation?.. that will answer the question..
@@gsathish87lol pitches same hai batsman ne aproch change Kiya hai attaking khelte hai bumrah 2016 21 T20 WC me flop 2017 champion trophy me bhi McGrath ka icc events me performance dekh
With Bumrah … in recent t20 worldcup 2024 … every team against India was considering 16 overs … and play dot ball or save wickets in 4 overs of Bumrah… so imagine Bumrah in 90s era where there lot of support for bowlers compared to now with flat pitches and batting dominating era
Modern batsman wud hv found a way to handle McGrath. He was more able when there was no T20 culture
Wow if someone is picking bumrah over McGrath... This is the best compliment bumrah can get
Great chat
Bumrah, if he can have longetivity to get to 350-400 test wickets, would seal the deal over mcGrath for me. Because while McGrath was marginally more accurate, Bumrah was significantly quicker in his peak( Bumrah peaked at 147-148kph range, McGrath peaked at 140-142 range) and Bumrah is a significantly better reverse swing bowler than McGrath, while also moving the ball more on conventional seam than McGrath.
Bumrah highest speed is 145
@@soumalyachatterjee6974 His highest recorded speed is 151kph.
Tendulkar should’ve faced McGrath as many times as Lara did. He understood how to tackle him. Attack was the best form of defence.
I’m going with McGrath. He stood up in all the top matches. Finals etc. Bumrah’s record in CT 17 final, WTC final and WC 23 final was mediocre. He did do well in T20 WC but Klassen was removed by Pandya.
If people say batting in the current generation (say 2010 and beyond) is easier because of slightly smaller grounds, availability of DRS, two new balls vs one new ball (in ODI/T20), flattest possible pitches, then Bumrah has to be given the rating he deserves. He is bowling in the toughest era for bowlers and yet winning matches with ease.
Muhammed Asif is the closest to Glen Mcgrath. They both bowled around the same pace and that control, uffff 🔥
Plus bumrahs pace. He can really crank it up when he wants to
My conclusion is you can't compare them. The time has changed,the pitches have changed,the batting styles has changed
I think it's just pointless to compare them.
As an Indian supporter who loved Bumrah and is so thankful to him in the team, McGrath any day. The answer may change after 5 years and I really hope it does but McGrath was dependable in all conditions.
Bumrah and glenn mcgrath both are great bowlers...but i still rate mcgrath higher...against him sachin's average was just around 30....
Nice to see people are talking about Indian bowlers seriously ..,
For most part of the conversation i agree with him but the moment he pick glen over jassi in t20 i know from where it is coming..he is just biased lad...dont take him seriously...there is no match of jasprit bumrah in t20 ..with that lenth glen will be very costly in t20..surya and rohit would have hit him all around the ground..
exactly
Truth. But he didn't pick Mcgrath over Bumrah in t20s. He only said he was good in 2008 ipl season.
Bumrah is GOD of bowling❤❤
He pointed out correctly: Awkward!
Which is lethal in t20 because batsman is expected to score every ball.
Looking at the evolution of the game, ball restrictions, batting approach, conditions/pitches, 3 formats, economical, wickets, game changer Bumrah is a contender for the all time/all format great but let's wait for some years as he has atleast 3/4 years of peak performance. As an Indian I consider McGrath a legend but Bumrah still has to prove himself by longevity/consistency in the coming years, he is the best we have and don't want to overhype him like some players from another country (if you know, you know😷) Bumrah has to deliver every match/tournament✌🏻
Last 100 years in test no one had 20.50 average or less than . Bumrah 💀
Bumrah ❤❤
Taking set batsman's wicket is far more difficult than taking wicket with new ball over a fresh pitch. You will find many of this type And Bumrah took set batsman's wicket in every format, in every situation. That's why, he is so leathel.
This single fact makes Bumrah a bit superior than McGrath (with due respect to the legendary MacGrath)🇮🇳🇮🇳
Good point. Trent Bould Shaheen Shah Afridi also pick massive new ball wickets
@@Aman-nk5uq Yes, absolutely..!
That's why I personally rate Wasim Akram & Curtly Ambrose highly on the same yard stick.
Bumrah from august 2023 is totally different, he showed a glimpse of this present bumrah when he first toured west indies in 2019
He toured windies in 2016 i guess for the 1st time
@@Aman-nk5uq his debut series in tests was South african summer 2017-2018 right, he looked very unplayable with new ball swinging it both ways, before this(in 2018) he was more of a white ball bowler, right now he is a proper test bowler with white ball format abilities added.
@@haneesh__1 ohh yea my mistake. He toured windies in 2019
Genuinely genuinely interesting!