Brexiteer commentator: 'No-one thinks things are going well' | LBC
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- "I will not accept that it's somehow our fault."
"I don't think any Brexiteer with two brain cells to rub together thinks genuinely that we're in a rosy sunlit uplands."
"It's been squandered and I'm miserable about that."
It's an old-fashioned Brexit debate! By gar, it's been a while!
On the Cross Question panel [from left to right]:
Journalist Greg Dyke
Spiked Online columnist Ella Whelan
Labour MP Angela Eagle
Conservative MP Tobias Ellwood
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As a former small business owner who sold mobile phone and PC accessories via EBay and Amazon, it honestly didn't feel like I was 'exporting' anything even though 65% of my orders came from the EU. I'd just print an invoice, stick a label on the package and await Royal Mail to pick up the orders for the day. Returns and exchanges are quite high with online sales and again it never felt like I was dealing with a customer outside the UK even when the customer lived in Italy, Spain or wherever.
Now thanks to Brexit, and by that I mean SPECIFICALLY Brexit and no other reason, my business is finished and I'm delivering parcels for Amazon during the day and take aways for Uber Eats in the evening instead.
So any Brexiteers (not Brexit voters) who lied and are continuing to do so can drop dead for all I care.
The problem brexit always had was the they need us more than we need them line most people thought the EU would roll over and allow the uk access without payment ..
May's first offer to the EU was proof and the response was having your cake and eating it ..
That was the moment reality set in .
This wasn't going to be like the EU ignoring the uks refusal to sign up to shengen or the euro ,
Now there was no longer an obligation to a member state they were not going to sacrifice the single market for the UKs benefit ..
Ella whelan response to that is that the government didn't rise to the challenge without pointing out how that could be achieved by a 3rd country.
Ah yes, wishing people dead... I guess this is the Remoaner 'tolerance' we keep hearing about.
Sorry to hear that dude. Keep your head up👊🏾
How can what you say be true, I’m shocked. It was made clear there are NO downsides to Brexit. They need us more than we need them. Our food will be cheaper. We will be free to negotiate our own deals.
Ok you win - we can’t get deals as we are desperate and have a standing start. The Antipodean one we were fleeced to rush through for a Tory conference ra ra. Our food is costing mega inflation. Our exports have collapsed as they did not need us more than we needed them.
We pandered to the bigots and Farage.
sorry they f****d your livelihood.
I voted brexit and fully admit it's been an unmitigated disaster. The only question is why are some brexiteers still clinging to it?
That's because the Referendum Result and the 'Leave Campaign' itself was hijacked by Traitorous morons and the moronic public can't see that.
@@thelstanedwardsson4374 What??
cognitive dissonance
The establishment don't believe in it. The establishment don't believe in the NHS that's not an argument for scrapping it.
Brexit was just about moving power from the EU Superstate to Westminster. You still have to VOTE in a positive government
Because it was left in the hands of Non-EU Sceptics - phoney "EU Leavers" - AKA - The Conservatives.
“No one thinks things are going well and I’m so miserable” well if it makes you feel any better the people who didn’t vote for it are not exactly thrilled about it either 😂
As he said were all Brexiteers now
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@@nigelhopkinson6614 If I vote for Labour and the Tory party gets in it doesn't make me a Tory. So, no, we're not all Brexiteers now. We're people having to suffer in post-Brexit days because of the terrible decisions that Brexiters made.
@@nigelhopkinson6614 Oliver Tobias was wrong.
Brexiteers are those who promoted Brexit.
Brexiters are those who supported Brexit.
I had the knowledge, and the education, to realise that Brexit couldn't possibly be a clever idea, hence I had no option but to vote Remain.
The truth is we are all experiencing the consequences of Brexit, but that does not make us all promoters, or supporters, of it.
So here we are, a freelance journalist who voted Brexit for an outcome that is not possible, blaming the political class on the failure to deliver the impossible, then suggesting the responsibility for a referendum result is not the people who voted in it.....We need a logical fallacy counter.
We had one, it exploded
She’s deluded buzz words and nonsense
Perfectly summed up.
Exactly. Brexit is the fault of nobody but those who failed to get up off their respective arses and go out to vote against it. Absent the efforts of those of voting age who went out to vote in favour of Brexit and the lack of effort of those who failed to cast a vote at all, Brexit simply would not have happened. In a democracy citizens of voting age have a responsibility to engage sufficiently to try to understand what it is they are being asked to vote on and then to vote. You cannot disown all responsibility for the consequences of your vote or of your failure to vote.
Great Britain is a logical fallacy. You can't beat that.
Liz Truss's budget was lauded by the Daily Mail and Express also by Farage as brilliant until the markets opened and trashed it
Yeah then they’ll say “at least she talked about growth” like it didn’t crash everything
The Markets are not your friend. Wake up.
And people still read the Daily Fail and listen to Mirage etc 🤦🤦😂
Just remember that Truss was a neo-liberal; and this includes the freedom of the markets to anything they want - and they did - and they made sheds loads of money. She proved that free-markets (neo-liberal ideology) is problematic.
@@evolassunglasses4673 correct, the budget was so favourable to rich people that even the markets couldn't handle it, it was designed for them by people too ideological even for the market.
"I don't want to rehash the Brexshit argument"
Yeah well of course you don't, as you've already lost that argument haven't you. The fact that anyone would still be choosing to support Brexshit in the face of all the evidence is absurd.
The EU propaganda machine has ramped up because Scotland and NI aren’t going anywhere, and the anti-democratic EU hates the fact that the UK followed the vote.
" I voted for Brexit and thought that it was great because we had control" "I won't accept any responsibility" "but I wanted more control, without an idea what we would have done better or different with that control" well yeah that sums it up pretty nicely. Wanting control, but non of the responsibility and blaming everybody else.
We always did have control, it is why the refugee camps were in Callais and not Dover, we never lost our sovereignty either. We in affect voted to lose everything we had gained, to win something we had never lost! Oh and the EU were not unelected either, we voted for those MEP's to represent us within The EU, every 5 years, Farage could have voted on issues to protect our fishermen and farmers, he chose not too, yet kept getting elected, can't blame Farage, only the gullible he so easily led..
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All so called "Brexiteers" are pathetic infants who wallow in victimhood.
@@sandfordmerlin That's what annoys me the most. They claim we had no representation but that's purely because Farage and co. never turned up to work to represent us... Said he doesn't like Brussels as a justification for not going to work.
Imagine not turning up to work because you don't like the location? You'd either get sacked or you wouldn't sign up for the job in the first place...
What control? We had more control as a EU member than we do now
So we let her speak and she said absolutely nothing and can’t just admit the simple fact she was wrong
It's standard behaviour for anyone supporting Brexshit. There's literally nothing they can say in defence of it now. It's pathetic that they can't just simply change their minds like a normal person would when it becomes clear that they're wrong.
I think the problem is we let numpties like her lead the conversation leading up to the 2016 referendum, instead of those who actually know what they are talking about.
The establishment don't believe in Brexit that doesn't make it wrong. The establishment don't believe in the NHS but that doesn't make it wrong and should be scrapped.
Brexit was just about moving power from the EU Superstate to Westminster. You still have to VOTE in a positive government.
Corbyn should of accepted the result of the Referendum. He was very anti EU all his political life just like his hero Tony Benn. He became leader suddenly flipped flopped and crashed in the Old Labour Leave seats
@@evolassunglasses4673 a country that votes with a scrap of paper and a pencil and is going to have a King ride in a gold coach to wear a crown .. the UK is just going back to the middle ages
It's amazing that this person is classed as a professional journalist/writer etc. She's just playing fake victim "How dare people blame me and others for our obviously terrible beliefs and decision making"
Not like we can forget when it affects an entire nation is it!
I would not consider anyone who works for Spiked as a proper journalist!
I would not class a journalist as "working class" either...
How I've been advised to watch this on YT.
LBC, BBC, SKY, punters etc etc. never believed and don't believe one word they say, they're only there to manufacture consent.
Bring RT back for some real news.
Bigots are always offended because facts offend them. She wraps damaging the public in fake populism and then acts offended when someone asks questions about how to hurt the public less.
Is she from Tufton Street?
Just keep in mind she was asked what would she do differently to make brexit work and she said they need to be nicer to her and stop asking basic questions.
Exactly what I was thinking. It's as impossible to make Brexit work as it is to make Boris Johnson an honest person. Wake up Keir Starmer!
Exactly what bojo said ,stop asking me questions,just read the side of the bus,and continue wearing your rose tinted glasses 🤦♀️
She literally said nothing
Sovereignty, sovereignty, sovereignty. What does it help when your economy is collapsing?
@Peter Hausmann It also hasn't been a success on it's own terms (the sovereignty argument)
We aren't free to change anything if we want to keep trading with our largest partners on our doorstep.
We now have to abide by rules that we have no say in how they are formulated or implemented.
It's the worst of all worlds, and we've inflicted it on ourselves, deliberately.
We'll be lucky if we ever recover from this, both economically, and reputationally...
Thats pretty much true of all brexiteer's
@@comanchio1976 I can't see how the UK in it's present form can recover. Back to being the sick man of Europe.
A brexiteer with two brain cells to rub together realizes they have nothing to say.
Still, the sunken cost fallacy must be upheld, to ward off ridicule, they think.
But the truth is, people who are able to admit their wrongs are worthy of much higher respect than these conned con artists.
Brexit is what happens when you let the average opinion at 10pm down the local, become government policy.
It's like feeling sick...going to the GP surgery, but then asking the waiting room for advice rather than the Doctor!
Wrong. Brexit was just about moving power from the EU Superstate to Westminster. You still have to VOTE in a positive government.
@@chrisalbertyn4004 wrong. It's just moving power from the EU Superstate to Westminster. You still have to VOTE in a positive government
You don't think average people have the right to vote on such issues?
Exactly. It’s called popularism
"Big things like sovereignty"
Problem is you can't pay for gas with sovereignty
Nor can you quantify it. And what sovereignty? Our FPTP system means that a party with 43% of the vote has 80% of the seats. Where's the sovereignty there?
Soveregnity? When our fredoms to protest, vote, travel, access to free healthcare, work and make business with our neighbors, etc are geting severily limited or scrapped bit by bit by our own Tory 🤮government ?
Try telling a Ukrainian citizen how unimportant sovereignty is.
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@@BenKing-o7l Yes, the 2015 Belgian invasion to annex East Sussex and supposedly help the armed Belgian separatists in Kent and Surrey was horrific, and many Brits honorably lost their lives defending their sovereignty. Completely sane comparison. /s
She talks about how sick it is people are relishing rubbing the noses of Brexiteers in this failure. Her ilk were only too happy to relish their victory - the victory of small-mindedness, wilful ignorance, nationalism, and exceptionalism that made up the Brexit side. They've subjected Britain to an economic equivalent of the Dark Ages, and it's gross to see her complain about the fact that everyone on the other side who knew better is pointing it out.
I remember only too well after the referendum “ we won , get over it “
Succinctly stated.
....nonsense of course...but if it turns you on...go with it....😊
They continue with remoaning jibes, yet we moved on immediately to rejoining because unlike them we don't flog horses when they're dead.
Don’t call them “Brexiteers”, Quitlings is more accurate.
She said nothing except people are mean to me by asking me to back up my position
Brexiteers have never liked or wanted facts, expert opinion or reality. Just dreams of empire and halcyon days that never were.
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Ahh yes, she's the real victim here. Everyone should be nice to her and tell her that it was a brilliant idea, no the best idea, the very best idea that any person has ever come up with. She has every right to pretend that reality is not reality, we should all bow down and entertain her fantasies. Poor woman.
Let her speak! She's letting nobody else speak
Yep...Iain didn't exactly marshall/manage her too well. The 'journalist' beside him the was an out of control, aggressive gob on a stick.
She's speaking without saying anything
And she's not answering any questions
It's that old thing isn't it; If it goes well, we want all the credit; If it goes badly, nothing to do with us.
...how has it gone badly...when it's barely started....so impatient...anybody would think you wanted it to fail ...but that would be contemptuous I'm sure you would agree.....😊
@@chatham43 i dont think 10% inflation per month is going to let you anyone wait to see what will happen
@@chatham43 back again with your Brexshit support.
You got nothing to say as usual .
Because there are No benefits to Brexshit.
Your just like Ella.
It's a brilliant idea you lot just messed it up.
You will be telling yourself that one till you die .
And it still won't be True.
Brexshiteer
@@jamescain707 and that's a general measure of inflation. If we had one that just measured basic essentials, like food, that inflation is somewhere between 20% and 50%
Things are broken, and it's really hurting people
@@chatham43 listed within article
Logical fallacy detected
Does this Ella Whelan ever have anything of substance or anything backed by facts to say?
she is a paid shill.
no
No, and apparently that makes us bullies, for wanting the person who turned up to talk Brexit positives, to be able to say something positive about Brexit 🙄
If she doesn’t want others to say “we told you so” perhaps she could consider simply being less wrong about everything.
She is delusional.... Makes my blood boil! Absolutely madness on show here.
....hardly....don't get so hysterical...just lie down and think of Brexit...☺
@@chatham43 You forgot to add to stick your fingers in your ears nice and firm... So you can indeed enjoy the image of the sunny uplands and rejoice in that Brexit glow in peace and quiet... Free from the shackles of both logic and reality...😂🙈🙉
This woman's arrogance is truly limitless.
Angela Eagle really is awful, isn't she.
I kinda feel bad for this girl...I don't think anyone has ever told her that "I don't know" is also a perfectly valid answer to a question. There is absolutely no need to make stuff up or produce verbal diarrhoea and then get offended and upset when you get called out for it. It's ok not to know! It's ok to be wrong! Don't let shame rule your life!
Iain Dale...Not showing his bias much. Ella is speaking but not saying much either. 😴😴😴😴
La, La, La, take you fingers out of your ears and listen to her, she's the only one who gets it.
honestly they're locked in their own delusions
@@haitch04 😂
@@haitch04 😂😂😂😂
@@haitch04 Oh mate... what she said:
"I'm not making policy, don't get angry at me for supporting these people."
"Take back control is what people voted for, despite it just being a slogan with no meaning behind it."
"I will not accept that it's the fault of voters."
The voters who voted for brexit, also vote overwhelmingly Tory in the last election, two objectively incredibly poor decisions, it is their fault.
So, please Haitch, don't stick your fingers in your ears/cover your eyes & try responding to the question to which she refused to;
What is the constructive change with brexit?
Where would you take brexit now?
What would you do differently?
Ella Whelan came up with nothing ! There's a surprise !
Brexiteers broke it…..and are demanding everyone else fixes it.
No one from Spiked deserves ro be called a journalist.
I can't believe mainstream UK are still giving her and Kate Andrews any time a day.....both vacuous as each other
They let her speak for over 5 minutes, what a complete waste of time.
The art of saying absolutely everything and saying absolutely nothing at the same time
The very epitome of brexit
Schrodingers' Brexit?
Boris must be giving lessons.
@@rinzaghi2057 As in “We knew what we voted for” and “This wasn’t what we voted for”.
She acknowledges that the cost of living crisis is a disaster. Does she not realise that the effects of Brexit are directly contributing to the cost of living - the OBR said 80% of inflation is down to Brexit! Cognitive dissonance at its worse.
Germany has even higher inflation. Did they leave the European Union too ?
@@davidpryle3935 we have a 400 billion hole in our economy, do Germany? 🤦♂️🤡
@@davidpryle3935 When did Germany have higher inflation rates then the UK?
@@davidpryle3935 - The facts suggest you are a liar
If we all say "Brexit means Brexit" much much more and far louder, things might get better
isn't that the problem? we voted for something we, as a country, didn't understand and we had no plan to carry it out. Tories are too busy stealing our taxes and see it as an excuse to fleece us even more. that is why it is a disaster.
Can we click our heels at the same time?
oven ready, lol
BREXIT MEANS BREXIT 😅😅
"Take back are borders"
Brexiteers promised things would be better, it was not conditional. Take advantage of sovereignty... what does that even mean? We never lost sovereignty whilst a member of the EU. Even the pro-brexit government stated that in the withdrawal document.
Instead of repeating "let her speak" when people with actual arguments and wanting to debate point out the fact someone monopolises speaking time to say nothing, except it's all someone else's fault and some nonsensical generalities, might have been more productive to point out she wasn't answering any question.
That kind of journalistic passive behaviour precisely allowed the Brexit lies to flourish.
Just saying.
"Controlling the narrative" is all there is to any debate. Who can talk the most/loudest/fastest is able to sway the morons in the crowd and the crowd takes it.
Poor Ella Whelan, I hope her parents didn't waste too much money on her education. 😂
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What education?
@@sheilaroddick5853 The one her poor parents wasted 9k on I suppose... 😂
Maybe they should have invested in a more hands-on-and-less-talking education...
@@dub604 That's 9K a year!
“Brexit hasn’t been done properly”
What should we do differently then?”
“*Vague mention of sovereignty and democracy*”
And that is how we got where we are.
Brexit was just about moving power from the EU Superstate to Westminster. You still have to VOTE in a positive government
Leave the ECJ and ECHR and do the job properly.
@@evolassunglasses4673 It was just about the rich dodging tax changes the EU wanted to make.
@@haitch04 The UK was fundamentally involved in the establishment of those courts and those courts are not part of the EU.
@@haitch04 The ECHR isn't the EU.
It was also founded on laws from the UK.
Sad when people can't except they made a mistake,they just double down until it totally collapses but it will still be someone else's fault.
*accept
‘Tbf’ people like her aren’t ‘real’ - it’s entirety performative and designed to get attention and probably more air time on right wing shows in the future. In general people in her position or online will never admit anything…face to face idk…it’s different
.....I accept your mistake in voting remain...now we can all work together to make this country great again....
“No brexiteer with two brain cells to rub together thinks genuinely”
She could’ve just left whatever she was wittering on about there.
If A brexiteer actually had two brain cells (jury out) they would just start a fire.
She hasn't got two braincells, I think many of them have two braincells!
Problem is, they only have the one brain cell among them all!
@@skawtch and it went down the pub and couldn't find it's way home
What has that nonsense got to do with Brexit! She is saying Brexit was about the workers chucking a bag of spanner in the works , and saying make it work now.
No one has to make Brexit work.
The EU remains just next door….as a place of sanity.
....seen Paris recently....you need to get out more and smell the coffee....😊
@@chatham43 you mean you against citizens standing up to government
You on parallel threads chat taking about taking to the streets of Westminster 😂😂😂😂
Suffering cognitive dissonance again Huh
Iain Dale really carried Ella Whelan through this segment. When she wasn’t attributing to the other panellists things that haven’t been said, she was whinging about scorn whenever she was challenged on something.
Appalling woman.
Indeed...I get the impression that if Iain Dale wasn't trying to protect her, she would have been utterly humiliated in that studio.
Yeah lost a decent bit of respect for Ian there. Kind of jarring seeing him as the presenter of the show not call her out for being ridiculous.
She literally has nothing to say. Giving her space to speak only filled the LBC studio room with the hot air coming out of her mouth. The LBC electricity bill will be lower for her contribution today. Brexit didn't put food on the table nor does it heat the homes of millions of British people.
....can't see the connection....and I doubt you really do....do you?
You were told what would happen and idiots just bleated 'Project fear' at anyone who attempted to speak truth
She still didn't actually say what should have been done differently. Her response amounts to "Politicians don't agree, but that could have done". She didn't even say what it actually was they should have united under.
Of course it's your fault.
No country votes to put up barriers with their closest neighbours
I reckon we should put up barriers around westminster and then the rest of the uk can ignore the 🛎 ends.
If they want to build up and protect their industry they do. We did before we joined, do you think China let's in imports to flood its economy?
You have fallen for the free market ideology pushed by international finance/ The City of London. America was built on protectionism.
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The EU is protectionist too and the UK was protected within the EU.
Now it's a third country and too small and insignificant to be protectionist successfully with a huge trade bloc on its doorstep.
Re Uk industries, like what?
The UK was successful and protectionist successfully before because it had a huge empire where it siffoned off resources from its colonies.
When that ended it was stuffed and had to join the EU.
Now deluded Brexity people think it can recreate the British Empire 😂
That is the main reason why this country lost economical output.
She claims Brexit was squandered, but when asked to explain how, she plays a victim and pretends she is being ganged up on, or she claims she is bored of the conversation.
Just like many many Brexiteers on TV, they claim it could have been better, but cant explain how they would have made It better.
Real bitchiness
Who is this crazy woman and why is she given air time? I love how Iain Dale kept asking that people let her speak, I think he believed she was actually going to make a point.
Shows you how wrong you can be 😂
The review can only happen with the EU agreeing to what the UK wants.
And it will only agree to measures that suit the EU, or the EU and the UK, not just the UK.
Brexit means brexit. Who would have thought....
I spoke to my energy company last night and asked if I can pay my bills with sovereignty, they didn't accept it though....? 🤔🤔
The fault lies fully and squarely with those who voted Brexit, sure they were duped and lied too, I am even seeing those people begin to trash Labour and talk up the Tories again.
We deserve everything we get.
I vote Labour and voted Brexit.
@@forestsunset9617 Thanks for this brexit mess..
@@forestsunset9617 so you voted brexit in 16...but labour & Corbyn in 19??... had you changed your mind by then?
How did voting labour move forward your desire for brexit?
Can you manage to state your reasoning without resorting to personal insults?
@@NeilCWCampbell no
@@Scanini np
What is the point of having someone on the panel who doesn't answer a direct question.... Absolutely point of her being there ...and they always give ppl like this airtime
Guess they are running out of Brexiteers still willing to put their names to Brexit in a mixed panel!
....people like what....Labour need to put forward their stance on these issues like any other party..
@@chatham43 people like this women who isn't gonna answer any questions. And when asked directly she cries victim. It's pathetic. Bring on ppl who respond straight on. Tired of these beings
Always in denial
"Vote brexit so we can go off on our own to the sunlit uplands and EVERYONE will have to abide by our rules"
The exact opposite has happened 😂
Wrong. Brexit was just about moving power from the EU Superstate to Westminster. You still have to VOTE in a positive government
@@evolassunglasses4673 And look at what the Tory government at Westminster has done. Stripped away the rights of voters and now we need photo id, but only the kind that older wealthier Tory voters are more likely to have. Stripped away demonstration rights so now you can spend 51 week in prison for being annoying! Less workers rights by using strike busting laws.
Democracy and sovereignty has been taken away not enhanced.
@@evolassunglasses4673 copy paste cope
@@evolassunglasses4673 No it wasn't, it was about Conservative fears of its loony rightwing voters. Westminster always had the power
@@patricaomas8750 that and the Tories wanting to shield their party donors tax-avoidance schemes from any external scrutiny.
We gave the Brexiteers to much rope and they hung us all along with themselves.
The saddest, most unsatisfying "I told you so" in history.
Well spaketh
She knew she was on a sticky wicket and had nothing really to say other than act the victim but she has to be on TV to further her career.
I looked in my cupboards last night and was surprised to find that they were full of important things like sovereignty and democracy. I was so full of pride that for almost an entire second I forgot that I was still hungry and have 4 days to wait until I get paid.
@Paul Hudson.....brexits to blame because people can't budget to feed themselves....not one of your more cogent points.....and that's off a low bar.....room for improvement.....
I also blame brexit voters for making the country worse off, for damaging our immigration policy so much that we can't utilise the Dublin protocol, for removing the freedom of movement, for reducing our ability to weather the cost of living crisis.
I just think it only democratic that brexit voters bear the brunt of the costs and burdens of brexit (which we can let the majority decide democratically) and we should do our best to mitigate the damage of brexit affecting non Brexit voters.
“I voted for a terrible thing, and now you are blaming me for this terrible thing! Whinge whinge whinge! “
I thought she about to bust into tears. I hate you….you are so mean.
Tell that to under privelidged children who are going hungry thanks to people like her.Unhinged.
Tobias Ellwood: "We've only just learned that Ukraine is the bread basket of Europe".
My history teacher (Mr Murray, 1974, when I was eleven): "The Ukraine, of course, has always been the bread basket of Europe".
Even when I was only just put of short trousers.... Even when Ukraine still usually had a definite article... I had been taught that it was the bread basket of Europe.
And when they join the EU…they become the breadbasket of the EU.
But we are not in the EU.
This is why the West backed the coup against the ELECTED government of Ukraine 9 years ago. To flip it into Nato.
Frederick Forsyth's 1980 novel The Devil's Alternative also makes this clear.
Bear in mind he is in the same government as Dominic Raab, who was astonished to discover that Britain was an island, and thus rather reliant on the Dover/Calais link.
Tobias Elwood has been banging on about this since the start of the conflict. The rest of politics are only just waking up to it. As Tories goes he’s one of the least bad. He’s pretty much on the fringe tbh these days.
Tobias needs to remember that 'This model' of BREXIT was created and signed by HIS party but i noticed she could not answer when he asked her what she would have done better and she started going off about voting.
Embarrassing.....how much longer do we have to put up with this disaster?
According to Jacob Ress-Mogg about 50 years
The self pity of this brexiteer is off the chart, not once did she deal with any of the questions or try and explain in any way any actual benefits of Brexit. She is just like old communists claiming communism would work brilliantly if we all just blindly lived in their fantasy world and ignored the economic devastation its caused.
exactly what crossed my mind...regarding the communists, I hear this argument most often from the younger generation. It's ever more popular...same as brexit...no concrete policy just popular phrases like freedom, sustainability etc....critique of capitalism is fine but don't come at me with the solution of creating a magical utopia where everything is as "should be "
So, how's it going then? Asking for a friend.
I'm still 'marginally' a business owner,. I sold everything I owned (house and all) and borrowed heavily to start a small business in 2006, and was all going swimmingly well, I had a reasonable income, employed staff and managed to pay them well and offer great working conditions, BUT when the no vote happened in 2016 it was like someone flicked a switch on my business - the EU orders stopped almost immediately and not only that, I lost significant UK orders due to 'uncertainty in the market', which is still prevalent today in 2023! I've gone from a business with a bright future employing several staff to a self employed person just about making ends meet and surviving. I guess I'm lucky that I didn't fold completely and go bankrupt, but this was all soooooo unnecessary. And for what???........ Can anyone tell me what the real tangible benefits of this massive sacrifice are yet?????
I can! Here's a list of tangible Brexit benefits for the British people: 1.
Just hold tight and wait for that sweet, sweet dollar to come in when we start making trade deals with economic powerhouses like Trinidad and Tobago, Suriname, Chad, the Solomon islands etc. all FREE from EU bureaucracy!
This time next year Rodney, this time next year…
Yes it is the fault of Brexit voters, you voted for chaos and that's what you got.
This whole "it wasn't my brexit" is what we were telling you to begin with 😅
"..not taking brexit seriously..." ?
It's like she has no sense of irony.
People who are more interested in brexit spin than its catastrophic reality are not serious people. 🤡
Tobias: “if you were in charge what would do different”
Brexiteer: “waaaah Remainers are mean to me!”
Tobias: “No but wha…”
Iain: “Let her finish speaking!”
Brexiteer: 😭😭😭
Tobias is a dreadful pro wae pro Global American Empire, NeoCon.
About right..
My blood pressure just doubled. What a vacuous, babbling, whiny, waste of space that woman is.
I love that there are 2 deleted/censored replies to this.
Iain Dale has spent quite a bit of airtime trying to justify Brexit in his time...but nothing has worked. I only hope he shows proper humility and completely apologies for his lack of judgement and for wasting so many people's time. And don't get me started on Ferrari!
The deadly combination of a malevolent establishment and a weak-minded electorate.
Well said, Unused Sub
Most of the electorate did not vote for this
So not the EU then?
....and how was public school...?
@@Tao_Tology True, most of the current electorate did not vote for Brexit.
Lol… Ella’s a bit naïve if she thought the government would willingly overhaul the democratic system post Brexit. The facts are, Brexit was boted for by disavowed communities that were promised a better life. I was also a de facto protest vote against David Cameron & George Osborne’s austerity measures following the 2009 crisis. Britain is in freefall because of succesive government’s’ inability to stabilize this chaotic situation.
Not the brexit they voted for?
That's funny, because it's exactly the brexit I voted against.
Won't let her speak? She basically said nothing other than Brexiteers shouldn't and won't accept any blame.
She had absolutely NOTHING to say
-4% on Growth per year .. 4 Billion per Year in tariffs we put on ourselves.. 6 Billion lost exports per year ... 1 million job Vacancies.... Brexit the gift that keeps giving ? She makes no sense whatsoever. It's a jumble of words into a sentence but is incoherent !
And it's gonna get worse lol.... This is just the start
it took me three months to get car parts from UK to EU . it took me 10 days to get them from germany to spain
Brexit always ends up in hyperbole.
"We can make brexit work"
"How?"
BIG SWEEPING STATEMENTS!
“The thing that could’ve been different is you could’ve had politicians take seriously, the exciting prospect of voting citizens wanting to be more involved in politics…” - umm, serious question, what does that actually mean?
A referendum on every government decision?
Apparently "more involved in politics" means only voting for the UK parliament, rather than voting for both the UK and EU one 🤔
Brexit has resulted in higher inflation, lower productivity, businesses closing down, businesses leaving the UK entirely, lower tax revenues, reduced investment, delays at the ports, embarrassment and ridicule on the world stage, trapped many Brits on the island for the rest of their lives, stolen the opportunity for their children and grandchildren to easily move to other countries and work and live there, reduced the quality of food coming into the country, put the UK fishing and farming industry in jeopardy, caused the UK pound to fall in value against other currencies, allowed the pollution of rivers and the seas around Britain with raw sewerage, and the UK losing influence in global politics.
She laughs dismissively and and criticizes the others when they laugh at her reckless duplicity.
She said everything except for "I'm sorry, I was wrong" or"This is how we can make brexit work"
She's probably incapable of saying sorry...it was just infuriating gobby nothingness.
I'm guessing she's physically/psychologically incapable of admitting culpability. Her fragile ego structure won't allow it.
A lot of whinging from the Brexiteer about being a victim. Take some responsibility and stop making excuses
...but the main question is: who is Ella Whelan? Why should we remotely interested in her input? Just asking ...
This woman is as bonkers as Ann Widdicombe.
She talked for 5 minutes and said absolutely nothing about what she would have done differently. Totally vapid.
This women's raving mad
"raving mad" is a required qualification for anyone to believe Brexit will ever make the lives of British people better.
£40 Billion is the cost to the UK of Brexit in a yearly basis
....your abacus needs an overhaul pal if you're getting figures like that...😊
@@chatham43 You're right. The figure is closer to £100 billion.
The audacity of causing the disaster and blaming everyone else!!
That woman was infuriating. I don’t blame the Brexit voting public for the difficulties of Brexit, i blame journalists like her who promised the public a version of Brexit that was impossible to deliver. It’s not the publics fault they wrongly believed the people they’re supposed to be able to believe, its the lying politicians and their friends in the media that are to fault. She was asked what should have been done differently and she couldn’t name a single thing, instead choosing to spout the same old clap trap that we’ve heard for the last 7 years with no actual substance.
Remember the people ian dale who spent time promoting these people
Voting on misinformation doesn't remove culpability...people should make informed voting choices, look for alternative sources of information and not just blindly follow what one, or even a handful of pundits tell them.
It's just a pride thing for her. She's really touchy about feeling blamed for not listening to everyone who warned her it was a bad idea. She still offers no solutions to the inevitable consequences of Brexit, just carries on the same vapid nonsense from 7 years ago... She's literally incapable of understanding the situation.
Another episode of: Reap What You Sow with Iain Dale.
And Iain’s reaping along with her.
She fully admitted that brexit is a challenge but we do not have the ability to overcome it. That is why the country is going down the tubes. Thanks ERG and tories you have ruined the country and our business, farmers and fishing for a clown,
Of course it's your fault. You were warned it was a mistake but you were only interested in exercising your insularity and xenophobia. Own it.
I vote to leave, it had zero to do with race. I do not like centralized power bases, I believe in the people having a voice. Europe should not be slowly eroded into one super state, putting our power into the hands of the few. the destruction of our country is happening because we dared to disobey those people.
Exactly.
And why hasn’t Europe collapsed? All those poor brexiteers in Bolton and Barnsley who voted for that must be devastated
After finally getting the floor, She used that time she had to say nothing !
Brexit was catastrophe from the start. Anyone with a heartbeat should have been able to see that... and who was that woman who said nothing in favour of Brexit !
Brexit was like saying "I don't like my haircut" and opting for a beheading
"wah wah wah I voted for an obvious disaster and it's not fair for you to tell me that"
17.4 million people voted to end freedom of movement for 67.4 million people.
Did she actually say anything cos I missed it...
Poor woman, having to be held responsible for the world that she helped create - what a poor unfortunate woman.
What's the best way to make a Brexiteer look foolish? Let them talk.
There is no way to make brexit better, that’s why she had no answer
Did Ella make any sensible contribution to this conversation?
The UK is in terminal decline as a result of its dysfunctional body politic
That woman is making no sense at all . Typical brexiteer
I don't understand why she was even on the show - nothing of any substance to contribute and interrupted everyone else.
Because they needed someone on the Brexit side and they're running out of people who still support it.
Ella and her ilk do this a lot. But nobody is saying that Brexit is the sum of all ills. It, like war in Ukraine and the pandemic, are crises that are having a profound impact on our prosperity and stability as a country. "It's not all Brexit's fault" is the dumbest retort, not least because it exabeates crises because, y'know, it puts us in a weaker position to react to them.
I honestly don't think that she understands she didn't answer the 'but what would you change'.
She has no concrete ideas.