'Who the hell thinks Brexit is going well?' | James O'Brien on LBC
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- After a YouGov poll revealed declining support for Brexit, James O'Brien ponders who are the people who actually think it's 'going well'. He concludes that it must just be the Editor of the Times, Daily Mail, Telegraph, because 'unless you've got your head up your backside', you'll be aware of the 'continuing problems' the UK is facing.
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Greetings from germany. I recently
had a conversation with a coworker
(also german) who said that
"it's great for britain that they
left the EU!". When I asked him
why he would say such a thing
he listed all his gripes with the EU.
I proceeded to educate him on
how brexit has been going for
you guys and asked him why all
the other members have expressed
no wishes to follow your example.
He did not know anything about
brexit and had no answer to my
question.
I have said before that history
will remember brexit as the
stunning application of the
dunning-kruger-effect to an
immense number of people
and I stand by that statement.
People who claim that their opponents suffer from the dunning-kruger effect, usually suffer from the dunning-kruger effect
themselves.
@@mrembarrassed7406🤦
@@mrembarrassed7406 Said the orange man.
@@mrembarrassed7406 and your evidence for that assertion is...
Oh dear, this comment hasn’t aged well ! Ask the farmers across Europe how they feel about the EU….
My compassion for the conned evaporated away when they started acting petulantly with slogans like "You lost, get over it".
Revenge is said to be best served cold and I've been joyfully savouring the line "You won, get over it"
Only some did it, though.
@@annepoitrineau5650 Who are you trying to kid?
Democracy is great until you lose.
@lamestreammedia3154 recent research has shown that your average brexiter has a lower I.Q. than your average remain voter. So there you have it! As Churchill once said, 'the biggest argument against democracy is five minutes talking to the average voter'.
@@robertfmorton Where as those on the left are suceptible to dark-ego-vehicle principle: New study suggests that people with dark personalities are drawn to certain ideologies. However, their motivation is not driven by a genuine desire for social justice. Instead, they use these ideologies to fulfill their own ego-centered needs.
As someone who voted brexit, I admit it's been an unmitigated disaster.
What made you vote to leave?
Whatever you do, please do not stop lying, it makes the rejoin side look desperate.
@@davidgreen6490whatever you do, try not to sound bitter lol
@@davidgreen6490I actually did vote brexit, though.
@@ZiggyStardust49Fell for the Farage lies. It was never about immigration for me, though.
Those of us who witnessed Britain going down the toilet in the '60s and early '70s, to be saved only by joining the EEC, never had any doubt that Brexit would be a disaster.
saved by joining the eec? yeah we went from have textile mills producing the best products in the world to putting people out work and then buying dirt cheap clothes from the far east and boosting their economy and supporting child labour, putting our fishermen out of work so everybody could overfish and now she admits THEY made a mess and it's up to us to fix it (that's code for "we miss your money") hence the reason they had to scale down their budget from 66 billion euro.
its a shame they didnt leave 40 years earlier!
My recollection was that we were overfishing and it took EU regs to protect the fish stocks
@@ronniewilliams9884 yeah we were over fishing that much that we had to let in the whole of europe to empty the english channel, you need to do some better recollecting and stop listening to leftie o'brien.
@@ronniewilliams9884 In 1973, fishing was 0.12% of the UK economy.
It is very upsetting how, within a generation, all of the great things our grandparents achieved were willingly thrown away by their spoiled children. The young will now have to clean up that generations messes. Not how a society should function.
Our parents and grandparents were not given any choice in 1972, and they were told they were joining a free trade club in 1975 - not a political union of 27 countries involving the destruction of their country, the abolition of their currency, mass uncontrolled immigration and becoming 3rd class citizens in their own country, as well as having their wages undercut in order to reduce them to utter penury and poverty, and doubling of house prices.
@@JupiterThunder Mate: UK's problems you mention here are real. It is just that EU had nothing to do with them, other than having been a saving grace for ~45 yrs. UK on its own chose to swap its manufacturing for services. UK govs decided on their own to not invest anywhere but London and Kent. UK decided to essentially privatize education so the country needed immigrants to perform many tasks, while the own population couldn't compete with trained foreigners.
Yes, you were had. But not by EU.
@@JupiterThunder None of that happened. The UK is not destroyed, the UK still has the pound, the mass uncontrolled immigration began after the Brexit vote and UK citizens are not 3rd class in the UK.
@@JupiterThunderinternet winner of the day 😂😂😂
You think your grand parents and world war 2 veterens wanted their capital and other places to be run by islamists? You obviously don't know your grand parents very well.
I would just like to relate a case study of the damage of Brexit. My wife and I run a fine jewellery company, employing 7 makers in the UK. We have retail sales globally and have wholesale stockists in the UK, Asia, Singapore, Australia and our major market in the USA. Since Brexit we have been dropped by all of our European wholesale stockists due to the Brexit imposed import tariffs and costly bureaucracy and red tape they have to deal with to import our work. Since Brexit we now have zero retail trade in the EU from our website, due to the taxes our often longstanding private clients now have to pay when our jewellery is delivered to their doorstep. Brexit has directly damaged British business. We are a small international company- our once nearest and most profitable market is now lost to us, and Brexit is why. We may now have to lay off employees in the UK due to loss of trade due to Brexit. The damage of Brexit to UK business is real, and cuts across all sectors. Brexit is economic suicide.
Hi Neil, you're not alone. A few of my clients had similar issues, so stopped trading with the block as it became too expensive, other set up EU subsidiaries or used 3rd party partners based there.
Ultimately it means revenue losses for businesses such as yours
100% agree and don't forget importing is also a major problem now...Power of Attorney docs, looking up commodity codes, customs forms, then paying import duties, customs clearance charges and deferment taxes...can wack 25 -30% on costs...therefore fueling inflation, then delays as goods get held up in customs...and I still get idiots telling me the EU is punishing us for leaving. They won't admit the glaring truth which is we imposed these restrictions on ourselves. We could have done a Norway and left the EU, but stayed inside the Single Market & Customs Union, but no, that wasn't enough for the hardliners, most of whome still think the reason it's failed is because it wasn't hard enough!🙈
Anyone with any sense knew it would happen.
That's only because the EU has made it difficult for you , they could make it so much easier but they want to give us a kickin for leaving , so if you want to blame anyone , blame the EU .
That just sounds like sunk cost fallacy. Of course EU was your biggest market, BC it was the one we were previously most integrated with. And since when was Brexit exclusively an economics issue?
I'm on my pink unicorn riding into the sunny uplands, mainly to get away from the stench of sewage filled rivers, streams, lakes and seas. From my hilltop I can see queues at the ports where lorries are waiting to clear their documents. In a layby I can see a red bus with faded words written on the side, "We send the EU £350 million a week, let’s fund our NHS instead”. The tyres have been slashed, the windows are smashed and bonnet is raised with smoke rising from where an engine used to be. I passed fields with unpicked fruit. So of course it's going well. 😄
It must be a very old bus 🚌 if the engine is under the bonnet 😊.
@@andrewrobinson2565 .. You do know the bonnet on a bus with a rear engine is at the back don't you? 🤔
@@JustAGameShow Never mind it's JustAGameShow. 🤣 (I didn't, now you mention it. Where's the bonnet of an electric car with the motor under the seats?)
My mother in Denmark sent my daughter a gift. It cost me £28 to get it.take that as a metaphor for all of the economy. The friction is tremendous.
That' what we voted for. You are now paying for something for what was subsidized by the rest of us.
I'm a fan and promoter of underground rock and metal and we hardly ever see our European counterparts since Brexit thanks to the costs and red-tape involved.
A major European agency just stopped offering us all these incredible and eager bands overnight.... I'm absolutely gutted.
It's just another moment that tells me that the world is just getting further down the toilet thanks to bunch of selfish, bootlicking killjoys
third world problems
Unless Bloodstock or Damnation book certain acts the odds are now we're not getting them, or at best we're getting London and that's it.
We hardly ever see a lot of our old favourites they prefer to play Las Vegas rather than the UK . You can’t blame them ..
As a geologist I was confused for a second😅
no its first world problems in a first would society! Its all relative you know. @@mandismith89
Many of the 33 million people who voted in the referendum googled...What is the European Union?... Makes me feel ashamed to be British...
Hand in your passport - renounce your British citizenship and leave - bet you don’t though
Ashamed of that Electorate!😮
@@Villain1874Ah! A troll.Hello, troll
@@Jakestreet Ah! A remoaner - Hello little one 😘
@@Villain1874 I don't have to I'm Dual Nationality.. British Italian...I have the right to live and work in the UK and the right to live and work in The EU... I have more rights than you Mr Brexiter...
"Compassion for the conned" has to evaporate at those who were conned because they are so dedicated to hating their fellow humans.
Those were never 'conned'. They were, and still are, wilfully complicit. The truth is completely irrelevant to those rabid ideologues. For them, the end entirely justifies any means.
The ones who are still clinging to the carcass, still chundering out the tired phrases, still fuelled by xenophobia and cheap lager - no compassion for them now, they need to 'suffer' the effects of what they voted for; those who understand now that they were conned, have accepted AND admitted they were conned, are sorry for what they did, and know they should have listened AND learned before the vote...they deserve compassion.
....and you're not..?
But Liberals aren't actually Liberal.
@@chatham43 You might enjoy reading about the Tolerance Paradox.
Don’t know what you’re talking about James, leaving the EU and having even less regulation around tax loopholes and business accounts is going fantastically well for a very small obvious group of people
Thanks Jacob. 😜
@@coppershark1973 Christ that name made me shudder
Look at the state of the nation in 2010 and look at it in 2023. I think we can say there is very little difference at all.
@@davidgreen6490 You might want to go to Specsavers then! The economy was growing again after the banking crisis, the NHS was top health service in the world, there was far less poverty and inequality, less crime...
Meds?
I always found it hilarious that after 200 years Napoleon finally got the blockade he wanted :P .
Muahahaha so true! Omfg!
"compassioned for the conned" ... You're a much better man than I am James. I'm still frikkin livid.
So more people in the UK believe the earth is flat than those who believe Brexit is going great ! 😂
You mean the Earth isn't flat ?
70% of the Earths surface is water, uncarbonated….. therefore….. flat….. 🤪
In other words, the earth is not flat?
Be quicker to make the earth flat than wait for any decision from the EU.
@@simonwinter8839 it has to be! Otherwise it would roll off the turtle !
"Is there a single sector in this country that's over subscribed?" Politicians.
ironically if it was left to parliament we wouldn't have voted to leave ...it took a referendum to do that.
Great answer! Politicians indeed.
It's been almost 4 years now, guys. 4 years and people are still saying it'll be great like it didn't happen and make a failing country even worse.
Vladimir thinks it's going well. He thinks half of the EU will soon be re-joining a different federation.
Cue in USSR anthem "Rossia svachenia ..."
That is virtually the only argument I agree with. Brexit is the first time a major member has left any of the major post-WWII international institutions and this gives aid and comfort to the enemies of the West. On the other hand, the UK acted more swiftly over Ukraine than any EU state, so that may be a false perspective.
wants.
not thinks.
desires are not reality (unless the complacent allow them to proceed unhindered).
They only wished to ship the armaments first 😂 @@markaxworthy2508
And that is why she is a president and farage is in the aussie jungle. Case closed ✌
Just hope he doesn't come back .
@@strandedstarfish Thank goodness, I was worried for a while, poor spider.
...brilliant summation...you'll sleep well tonight....😊
I don't think Farage wanted to be President of the EU, do you?
Let's face it, the Tories should be awarded the Nobel Prize for Ineptitude. Alas, this is in common with Tory governance which also doesn't exist.
They’ve shovelled 10s of billions to their class. How is that inept?
@@stevendurrant1724 it could have been a trillion+.
@VincentPeters-vs2us or maybe 2! Debt almost TREBLED since 2010😮
And the EU aren't?
The Darwin awards would also be fully deserved. I am nominatng them!
2% of the population can easily dictate 'the will of the people' if they happen to own the vast proportion of the media.
People believe what the media tell them they believe; in this Democracy with freedom of speech they have no choice and dare'nt say otherwise.
What utter arrogance to simply assume that nobody but you is capable of thinking for themselves. That everyone but you has their opinions simply dictated to them by the media.
@@CyeOutsider What utter arrogance to simply fly in the face of evidence based fact in favour of an ad hominem non argument.
If you truly believe what you say about the media, and I mean truly believe, then by logical extension of your own argument, you believe that because they want you to believe that, right?
@@unimportantnobody8364 Wrong, pure doublethink, try again.
On second thoughts, don't bother.
Actually a mere 37.4% of the electorate dedicded it.
Don’t ever underestimate someone’s ability for self delusion. That’s a mistake I have made one too many times!
Who thinks Brexit is going well? Bankers who have just had their bonus cap removed?
Jealousy get you no where.
@@timvella1817 I suspect that you're not there
@@timvella1817It's your money the bankers have got.Don't believe me ? Just look how much less money you have unless of course I'm the only person in the entire country who has been legally robbed.
It means lots more tax revenue for the UK government on those bonuses
@@ToBeOrNotToBeThatIsTheQuestion I'm sure the bankers will work a way around that problem
A bit like Sunak only paying 20% tax, despite earning significantly more than is required for the 45% rate
I am _constantly_ enraged about BRexit as it shafted my ability to take short/medium term contracts around the EU (in which I engaged for more than 20 years) - along with 100s of thousands of other Brits. But this never seems to be mentioned in _any_ of the media in the UK. We hear of farmers and fishermen and cheese exporters but _nothing_ of the Brits employed in a peripatetic fashion around the EU.
Indeed so. That was what I did, I'm retired now but I would not have had such a rewarding and interesting career otherwise
😁
Enraged yet all you can do is cry about it on the internet 😂
Lol
@@Kalus_Saxonsays the guy who never went more than 10miles away from the house he was born in
I always bought items from UK and after brexit I don't buy from the UK and I am sure I am not alone. So, tell me how well brexit is going, very sad the people of the UK have been sold a lemon, it will go from great Britain to poor Britain.
As a Brit living in Europe I can assure everybody that it is just way too much hassle to buy British - unless you are dealing with a British firm that has opened a warehouse in the EU or is based in Northern Ireland.
Is that why British exports are up? Der brain alert
Complete nonsense. Just look around your house - and walk into any shop in Europe and look at clothes, tools, garden items, furniture etc. all made in China. Cars made in Korea are increasingly popular. The UK is in a stronger long term position now - it can be flexible and choose who to strike deals with - and has - including the EU. I was especially pleased to see the UK move away from cruel EU animal transportation standards, and I was unhappy I was paying for funding cultural events like bull fighting (look it up) which the UK had no choice but to accept. Do you pay your irresponsible neighbours credit card bill? Do you lock your front door at night and like to decide who stays in your home? Your nation is your home - treat it the same way
all those deals...@@KR-us9pj
Which, of course, all a British companies could. Just like they do in other territories. But many are simply too lazy. No surprise they"re the leading whingers about Brexit. Duh!
Sure mr. Bot.
Napoleon tried and failed to damage Britain by stopping its trade with Europe.
But with a little unlawful proroguing, it Can be done.
Hail Johnson who succeeded where Napoleon failed!
Lol, who needs enemies anywa6 with Tory friends like that😂
@@annepoitrineau5650 Napoleon would be the EU today. The UK is so afraid of the consequences of blocking trade from the EU that they haven't even implemented thorough border checks yet (or only recently).
I could not agree with you more. I hope you understood that i was being ironic. @@flitsertheo
@@flitsertheoBlock away, none here is buying british anyways 🤷
I'd have compassion for the conned if there hadn't been any experts telling them exactly what would happen, or 'project fear' as it was branded!!! 🤷🤦
Contempt for conned, double contempt for conmen.
The word "expert" became a slur. Dear oh dear.
Depends what expert you listen too!
BBC experts?
"We goofed it up" is beyond diplomatic. That's how you'd graciously excuse an emerging democracy, mid-apprenticeship.
And the man who created all this mess is now Foreign Secretary - a role fundamentally tasked with ensuring strong relations between the UK and the international community, which naturally includes the EU.
I sometimes wonder if we are actually living in reality 🤦♂️
I have friends who voted Brexit now denying they voted for Brexit for the they don't want to be seen as morons.
Why would they to a friend like you!
@@blueknight3943 Why did you get dropped on your head when you were born?
Since you know they voted Brexit it is surely more moronic for them to deny it than to admit it and say they were wrong.
@@blueknight3943 You are a Brexit voter! LOL
I voted for brexit and I fully admit to everybody I know I was fooled and I was wrong. The stupidest mistake of my life.
as a remainer, i could not see the consequences, but it was glaringly obvious that brexit would be a total catastrophe, given the benefits the uk had accrued since joining the eu.
...........like a cheap imported black market labour force
Benefits?
Benefits? All paid for. And we also paid for every other states Benefits.
@@stuartrussell3490 Brexit was only supposed to appease voters who were veering further right and potentially abandoning the Tories. The leave win was never supposed to happen because it was obviously a bad idea and would always be a disaster. The only people responsible for its failure are those who cynically campaigned for it, the “liberal elite” whoever they are didn’t need to do a thing.
How is Germany and Holland doing both in Recession
How many EU Countries are getting more leavers support
How many EU Countries are doing Border checks
My friend is in Grimsby. He voted Remain as he worked, until last week, at a fish processing plant. It was built and improved with EU funding.
Our funding via the eu
How much did we contribute to the eu again?
@@blueknight3943 Some nations were givers and others net takers. Guess which group the UK was in.
@@barrysnelson4404 we were amongst the top contributors
@@andyjordan79 It was our money in the first place. We were the second largest net contributor to EU funds
Yes, Smoggy in effect was saying we would be better off to have little to no food security in the event of severe climate change or supply chain issues.
I watch James and Sangita all the time. I was overseas when the results of the Brexit referendum were announced. I was sitting in a bar, A French lady asked me what I thought. I lowered and shook my head, covering my eyes for a moment. I told her something like I thought it was the stupidest British political decision in my whole lifetime. I knew even then that the UK would not benefit in any way....quite the reverse! Well, for all the "Brexiteers", you reap what you sow....the only problem is, you "effed" it up for the rest of us!
Presumably you could have stayed in France 🇫🇷 and by now had a shinny mauve eu passport?
We know gregory evans was in France. We do not know if it was hols or work. There are people whose jobs allowed them to continue working in the EU, and many who, while working in the EU could not continue after Brexit. In fact, I would like you to explain what your post meant? @@jasbindersingh2441
...nice story...😊
Cobblers springs to mind. Explain how it was 'effed' up.
@@brimkathstampex2306..explain how it wasn’t!🙏🏼
Still cannot see what they expected to happen , net immigration is up , and that was the one topic brexiters overwhelmingly wanted to reduce
Hong Kong & Ukraine
...but that's what you want...so why the whinge...?
Well leave the echr then
The best comedy show I have seen for years. 🍿🍿🍿 From Poland with love.
I voted remain with a passion. The smugness I feel draws little comfort.
I voted leave with a passion - and my side won. The smugness I feel in making the right decision is a joy.
@@dogglebird4430explain how it's the right decision. Tangible advantages. Feelings are irrelevant.
@@Backpfeifengesicht45 I voted for my country to have its sovereignty restored rather than seeing it absorbed into an incipient pan-European superstate.
@@dogglebird4430 Google the world tangible, and try to answer the question again.
@@Backpfeifengesicht45 Ended free movement of people from eu
Setting our own zero emotions regulations.
Restored democratic control over our lawmaking.
Ended eu ID cards as an entry document
Being able to make defence deals with other countries outside the eu.
The freedom to authorise health vaccine procurement independently.
No payment whatsoever to eu budget
No contribution to the eu covid recovery fund.
I do love how people who say remoaners 'need to get over it and accepted it' yet nigel farage said before the vote even if we lose we'll keep fighting......
And he was entitled to as he would have still been trying to change the status quo. That is not what those who wanted to remain were trying to do. They were trying to alter a vote before that vote had been enacted! That was anti democratic!
Get over it
...like you're not fighting now...genius post..😊😊
@chatham43 I ain't fighting anything, just trying to make the best of everyday
I have no issue with remainers wishing things were different, but constantly crying for another vote is anti-democratic and just pathetic.
Any reasonable person knows it’s going very very badly
In what way exactly?
@@brimkathstampex2306Take a look at your before and after bank balance and whatever you do don't get sick unless you're going private.
I think we need another referendum on Brexit. It should never of happened. And as for Cameron’s return to government , well how dare he show his face when he left with his tail between his legs after last referendum.
It's happened, time to move on
Don't agree with your first point but I do totally with the second... For the vast majority brexit has been put to bed....move on
@@alunevans2377it happened due to lies and manipulation. Also, the tories implemented a bad version of it that was detrimental for our ecobomy. How can the UK simply move on when it is affecting many people's livelihoods?
Oh dear, this hasn’t aged well ! Ask the farmers across Europe how they feel about the EU….
i agree, let's have another referendum and when we lose let's have another, in fact let's have referendum after referendun until we rejoin, then the brextiers might be happy or will they ?
Given the absolute state of the country I'm sure we'll rejoin sooner rather than later.
I hope so but then when the country starts improving the government will look terrible and they would rather leave us in a struggle than put their hands up and admit they were wrong.
Hilarious.The naiive one who shouldn't be let out,thinks all of our woes will instantly disappear when the german witch waves her magic wand.The rejoin rabble really are as thick as mince.
Brexit is costing the economy £100billion a year. Any ideas?@@andyjordan79
You'll maybe start trying. You'll need a lasting political and popular concensus, to show full understanding it's not just about economy i.e. care about the political project and the common values, to convince you are not going to obstruct everything, to demonstrate you can manage all the duties of a country (anticorruption, full border checks, etc.), and to prove all the member states you can hack it this time. It can be a long slog: you've let things flag.
You can't just "rejoin" and force yourselves back in. You can only RE-APPLY and then MAYBE be allowed back in. That is unlikely to happen anytime in the near future, and when/if it does ever happen, it will be with none of the special exceptions and benefits you had before. That's just how it is.
The Brexit we got wasn't the Brexit I voted for, say Brexiters who all seem to have wanted a different Brexit from each other. Which just goes to show that Brexiters didn't know what they were voting for.
Word
......and the number who think what they'd like to order, is always on the menu at Café EU
They wanted a Brexit that doesn't exist, the one where we get rich for doing nothing.
Well said pal, and fair play for admitting that.
then what., you wanted a different brexit, a fantasy candyland brexit where everything worked out GREAT?
well you have it, this IS brexit.
I love how the UK thinks rejoining is up to them. Rejoining isn't the UK's choice, it is the the EU's. For sure the UK has the choice to decide to TRY and rejoin but in the end it is totally in the EU's hands to accept the UK back in. I'm not so sure the EU would actually back bring the UK back in. They seem to be doing better, politically things seem to be smoother, and they would have to worry that UK will just decide to change their mind and leave again as soon as they start feeling exceptional again.
Brexit appears to be a tremendous success for the UK's International ........ competition.
Name names.
🎯
@@seamuspadraigsanders431 literally every other nation benefitted at our expense.
@@kanedNunable Name 1 and provide proof.
@@seamuspadraigsanders431 Ireland. As a result of the UK leaving the EU, 135 London based Finance firms moved to Dublin (a quarter of the 440 or so finance/insurance sector businesses that moved form the UK to the EU). In general, the financial industry moved about £1 trillion of assets from the UK to the EU. So you could estimate that Dublin benefited to the tune of £250 billion pounds, plus the jobs associated with 135 companies relocating.
"I hold in my hand, a nugget of pure green" Blackadder
Very cunning
What a pleasure to listen to James O'Brien. We are starved for this kind of intelligent, informed and clever commentary in Australia.
As a disabled person, I'm looking forward to working from home as our new Prime Minister 😂
Couldn't do a worse job than the current lot!
Do it. Please!
Given the current choice I'd vote for you.
Yeah man! Legalize it! 😎
"There were 335,447 work visas granted to main applicants in the year ending September 2023, 35% higher than in the year ending September 2022, and two and half times more (+150%) than prior to the pandemic in the year ending September 2019." - 2.5 times more immigration than in 2019. Brexit working well.
Who is it that conducts these polls, where do they do these polls, and how come I have never been invited to take the poll?
I always have sympathy for our Brexit voters. The same way I have sympathy for those who fall for Amazon and Banking scams. again the scammers mostly target the elderly. The only thing with the Brexit scam is with these silly people, we all have to pay!
Well, the first-ever choice the young then, now old got tricked into it. Thank EU for VAT for without it to pay for the admission you be richer mate.
Nothing more important than having your own country. It's the the EU that is the scam - a scam to rob British people of their birthright.
@@TheHenstock88 obviously you've never heard of levied between 1940 and 1973 on the wholesale value of luxury goods sold in the United Kingdom. The UK joined the EU in 1973!
@@TheHenstock88 Yet the UK could now reduce or remove VAT, in fact didn't they say they would remove it from energy bills?
@@teddyboysdontknit810 Possibly but if you were making 4.5 billion for each % would you get rid of it?
We should rejoin as soon as possible
nah
why, how would that benefit you ?
But on gbnews this morning a man named Andrew Piece thinks it is. When asked on GMB a while ago he couldn't name one single thing.
So the so-called 'project fear' has become project reality!?
I keep hearing about how young people, especially those who were to young to vote in the 2016 referendum, are somehow going to ensure that the UK rejoins the EU. Much as I would wish that to be the case, and much as most young people I know moan all the time about Brexit, I see no evidence of their dissatisfaction being turned into political action. Given that Labour aren't going to try to take us back in (apparently), is anyone forming an explicitly pro-EU party (the opposite of UKIP)? No. Have I seen demonstrations with thousands of under-30s marching to Whitehall? No. I've been on three anti-Brexit marches, and the average age on each of them was about 60. It's very depressing.
Your post deserves far more "likes" than it has.
The Liberal Democrats are the most pro eu. We all know Kier Starmer is pro-EU and would want to bring us back into the single market via EFTA membership if he could. However, he has chosen to change his stance on brexit because he is trying to appease red wall voters. Remember, in 2019, he was advocating for a second referendum and freedom of movement. His admiration for the EU has not dwindled, regardless of what he is saying now. His brexit U-turn might just cost labour the next general election. To openly say there is no case of rejoining the single market is abhorrent, given the evidence.
Leaving the single market was the tory and Boris Johnson idea to make us sovereign and a 'global Britain'. We didn't have to leave the single market. Brexit was only about EU membership. EU being a political union, and the single market being a single regulatory economic zone on our doorstep. Those are two very different elements.
Oven ready was a bad phrasing, but unintentionally accurate considering Brexit was always slow motion National suicide.
James, you are missing a key element. It is not a UK decision to join the EU. The UK can only decide that it wants to apply, the individual EU member countries will make the actual decision. VDL is correct, in my opinion, but is playing a long game. Eventually the UK will join, it will take a decade (I think) before the debate and political parties in the UK are mature enough to apply and then a minimum of 5 to 10 more years to meet the criteria and agree/accept the terms that will be available. The UK will have to be grown up enough to fully commit to the euro, for a start, no special opt out etc.
The lesson for the EU from Brexit is that, they can not allow any half in, half out members like the UK was, again
therefore we stay out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The one major EU project that has been successful is the euro, just ask the greeks!!!
Especially the Schengen agreement.
Yep, no having your cake and eating it this time.
I think it's becoming clear that the ultimate legacy of Brexit will be the end of the pound, because when the UK finally goes back in it's going to be with both feet.
I don't think he's missing this point.
Many of us wanting to rejoin are fully aware of the requirements (and reforms needed).
I'd go so far as to say those who voted remain didn't have an exceptionalist mindset to begin with.
Just think how much more expensive everything from the eu will be when the new uk charges start for each product being imported. I think if you have two differenft fruits on one lorry ,there is a charge for each different fruit,so ridiculous increase in everything on top of greedflation and the cost of tory corruption crisis. The 12% who are cheering brexit,are bankers and rich people
Rejoining will not easily erase the fact that the majority of the British are okay with bigotry & xenophobia. 😢
Not the majority. The majority wants to rejoin.
I’m choosing to believe they were gullible and believed their government.
anything recommended by fararge is 100% going to be a disaster . . .
I’m genuinely interested in hearing about the successes from the people who think it has been a success.
The fact is no one replied to your question , that says it all😅😅
...how has brexit happened...?
Because a sensible majority voted the correct way. Simple. @@chatham43
Well we've got rid of all of those Asians from the Northern towns.Wait a minute....
@@brimkathstampex2306we're still waiting to hear about Brexit's successes...
The other day, I (in Berlin) ordered a spare part for my espresso machine from a British retailer for some 45 pounds, about 50 euros. Two weeks after delivery I received an invoice for additional 17.44 euros in import fees. I feel bad for how people struggle with the fallout of Brexit, no matter how they voted on the matter - but it is certain that I will not order from the U.K. again.
Indeed but it was Germany that imposed that tax on you. Not the UK.
eh, because the UK isn't in their economic zone any more 🤣🤣🤣
@@Asterism55 Correct. Demonstrating EU protectionism.
Your point is well taken. I am by no account a economy buff, but it is my understanding that this "protectionism" is actually the default (as implemented by the World Trade Organization), and free trade agreements, such as the common market, are privileges. Sadly, default was a choice made by the U.K.
@@katximotxilis So the WTO makes Germany impose a tax on you as a German resident because the UK left the EU, according to you. Keep drinking the KOOL Aid, my friend. Sounds like a beneficial deal for EU citizens.
Sadly our PM reveals that he is a small and inconsequential man almost every time he opens his mouth. He is physically small which probably doesn't help but he appears mentally inconsequential as well. He talks complete nonsense when confronted with issue such as Brexit, trade deals and immigration. He appears to have little original thought and behaves petulantly. Tea with the Greek PM being cancelled due to the latter mentioning the Parthenon Marbles being a perfect example of his pettiness.
Ahh yes James, but you see it's not Brexit that has failed, it's this particular Brexit, which is completely different to the Brexit people voted for. You see, there lies just beyond our grasp a perfect Brexit that will certainly work. Bloke called Nige down the pub told me all about it...
What should we be aiming for? Ah, the Immaculate Shining Path Golden Unicorn Brexit?
Brexit can be changed the block cannot which is why re left...
They voted to kick foreigners out of UK and stop them coming back. Xenophobia.
So... brexit was always a unicorn that existed only in the minds of those swindled by politicians peddling lies.
What is the Brexit we voted for
Thank you for your voice of reason. In the Netherlands we have fallen for the same type of lies. This Wilders guy will be the same disaster as Boris.
Would you accept the Euro if it became the condition of rejoining?
Anything is preferable to what we have now.
Officially you have to claim that as a politician you're going to accept the euro
In reality there's no set date for when you have to join said euro. You just have to tell the nation we're definitely going to use the euro. Other nations use this same tactic too. You just have to "remain committed"
It would be a hard sell to people to say "We're gonna get the euro, but not really because this is just a bit of red tape that we have to pretend to care about"
@@James_08_07 I remember when the pound was worth 3 Euros. Imagine if we'd joined with that exchange rate, compared to today's 1:1.
@@waqasahmed939 Perfect! The Yes Minister solution.
Absolutely.
Four years after Brexit, the British are still waiting for the benefits.......
Ms von de Leyden's comments and tone are probably the best thing to come from Brussels since 2016. As a Europhile Brit (and 20 year military veteran so poke your "you're not a patriot" BS) I've always felt that the EU didn't really try very hard to keep us as European citizens and ignored remainers choosing to see a stereotype football hooligan/Brits Abroad image as representative of the 48 million people who didn't vote for Brexit. The recognition and the very reconciliatory tone in her comments are most welcome even if I feel they are a bit overdue.
Trying to keep you and consoling you is not the duty of the rest of the EU when 51% of your voters and government hve fantastical delusions about reality.
It's going great mate. Blue passport, fish are happy, less regulations, lower immigration, world beating economy, 350million a week extra for the NHS.... They need us more than we need them!!! Over to you moggy!!!!
You forgot the more important things , full power toasters and vacuums , none of those EU spec ones, MORE POWER !!!.Dyson sends his regards
Dont forget to mention all the other European countries which have left the EU since then!
don't forget better shaped bananas!!! Love my new bananas in the morning. Brexit is just the gift that keeps giving!!
Moggy? Once Minister for Brexit opportunities? How did that go Moggster?
That aged well @stephenreeds3632
The benefits of CCTPP has now been downgraded from 0.08% to 0.04%.
Hilarious. Don't hear them bleating much about this now, do we.
Based on flawed modelling assuming that no other country joins 🤦
@@chrisj9700 The initial 0.08% of benefits are totaled to 2040 for the rule takers the UK which is beyond derisory.The Rule takers the UK will be met with astronomical fines if they break or fail to accept rules and regulations handed down from the rule givers in Australia.
There is no "rejoin." There is only "re-apply" and possibly be re-admitted, but that's a long shot.
As an ex-pat living in New Zealand for the last 20 years all I can say is “Ha ha”
It's going well for the EU.... does that count? 😂
" ... there had even been demonstrations to thank Big Brother for raising the chocolate ration to twenty grammes a week ... " - 1984 - George Orwell
How big is that piece of flotsam you're desperately clinging to?
@@vilebrequin6923 About as big as your swelling of desperation to rejoin that failure of a bloc.
And Big Brother had commissioned a nice big red bus with "£350 million for the NHS" emblazoned on the side
@@The_Phoenix_SagaYou look very sooty, Mrs. Phoenix. 😮 (not to mention sh***y on the beaches and the landing grounds).
@@andrewrobinson2565 If that's your best contribution, I'd sit down, kid.
I appreciate the tone of this. Thank you.
Straight after those simple, kind words, Tory MP Lee Anderson, told her to 'shut up'. There is the difference between the two sides.
Sunak does not speak for me or the majority. Sickening.
I'm pretty sure that staff shortages will soon be filled via the India trade deal that Cameron was bought into Sunnaks government for. (and well rewarded with a Lordship £££ for life)
"bought" isn't a typo. I get it. +1😮
In short the UK will be a bit more colorful 🤣
@@franciscouderq1100 Which is what the brexiteers voted for.
Compulsory fingerprinting is infringing of personal freedom?
Fancy wanting independence and fighting a war for it. My ancestors must have been mad. If only they had appreciated economics
Some lessons needs to be learned hard way, to be remembered longer. Britain needed this lesson badly
Indeed , this is my conclusion as well.
If it EVER becomes a ballot initiative to rejoin(IF), maybe the EU should put it to a multicountry, BINDING, citizens vote about whether or not to ALLOW Britain back in...? Not to come off as vitriolic, but, show of hands, if you think they'd vote to let them back in...
Leaving the EU should never have been an option given to the British public.
Correct.After Cameron got it wrong (that is he thought the people would vote remain)he was nowhere to be seen for years. Now he thinks just enough time has passed for him to return in the post as Foreign secretary although what the consequences of his return to his political career are not clear to me.
communist ideology of denying people the right to vote and freedom of speech unless they vote for you.
It’s with sadness I listen to the witty English sarcasm and remember that, I as a person who visited London frequently before Brexit. Have not visited since the Brexit vote. My children also, do not talk about visiting as we (in my generation did), but instead are going to Paris, Berlin and Warsaw (places I rarely thought about visiting because Britain was always the obvious choice).
“Make Brexit work”: an example of an oxymoronic policy
"Oxymoron "An American who has studied at Oxford University.
@@simonwinter8839 deflection.
Not getting enough attention at home or too much attention at home 😉
So what do you suggest, have another vote? How democratic of you john. I didn't vote, however i believe we only have the option to make it work and stop crying. It's pathetic mate.
@@jayc342009 If enough people think the brexit vote was a mistake then yes,another vote.I note you didn't have any strong feelings on the subject in the first place as you didn't vote so why the strong feelings, albeit not about wether you voted but about the result. ?
@@simonwinter8839 i don't really have any strong feelings on Brexit, what grates on me though is people moaning constantly because they didn't get the result they wanted.
Brexit failed indeed, why did it fail though? Why is no one pointing fingers at our incompetent government who have no intention on making things better for us?
leaving the EU meant we traded one shitshow for another, there was no point in leaving but we did and you can't change that.
Fantastic James keep it up
Compared to the same shop brands our shelves are empty or have less variety than in the EU .Also goods are more expensive here .
your talking horse manure
@@alunevans2377 I speak from factual evidence ,you speak of horse's excrement , just the kind of response I would expect from someone with no contrary evidence !
Curious to know how we were ‘dragged’ out??
There’s always hope that we will rejoin, unfortunately I think it’s many years in the future. The whole thing is unbelievably sad for our country.
Problem is we can’t just rejoin we have to join the EU and meet standards
If the EU even agrees to let the UK rejoin in the first place
...you'll get over it...or you can leave..😊
They are comfortable at having Viktor Orban's Hungry in the EU I am sure we will be allowed back in and I don't think reunion (rEUnion) is that far off in the future.
The tories made it worse. There were so many different ways to execute brexit (as in terminating our EU membership only) but the corrupt tories wanted to diverge away from the EU to avoid paying them anything
As a Hungarian who moved to the UK weeks before Brexit referendum and moved back a month before settled status would've been required, the UK leaving the EU was the one thing that broke something in me. My mind has always been and always will be the Blairite, Europeer, British one.
When I kept warning about the (recruitment) panic in IT while the UK was about to leave everyone ignored, now the UK can learn in all sectors in existence what lack of labour means.
On the other side of the channel we are prepared for any nonsense coming from UK. It's obvious UK is not ready for its own nonsense
Well young people will do it, ok I don’t have a timeframe but it will happen.
brexit is going as well as it was supposed to go.
I just want Scotland to make its own decisions and not the voters in a neigbouring counntry.
I agree with U.von der Leyen: there is no bitterness ("Rancoeur") in our EU ranks BUT one thing is sure, the EU behaved quite politely and amicably UNLIKE the UK representatives so we (EU) are not ashamed in the least with our past attitude.
Where do we go from there? Not far I am afraid:
- no other solution outside to remain OUT or to join the EU. In the EU, we are totally neutral on this (i.e.: we don't really care)
- no waiver of any kind to be expected if the UK fancy to join
- nothing will be considered UNLESS both key UK parties support unequivocally joining.
- there is no real solution with "make Brexit work", de facto convergence, joining SM, CU, etc. These are gimmicks for lost politicians
- the EU will not change its rules, its SM, etc for the UK's pretty eyes
These conditions are not exorbitant but still too much for the UK or I'll be surprised
Agreed. No exceptions, no rebates, no special status. The UK needs to meet all of the Copenhagen Criteria and hope&pray it will be voted back in by all EU states. Highly unlikely for now.
Thank goodness.@@maartenaalsmeer
The problem isn’t that another referendum would pass to rejoin. The problem is 5-10 later or whenever the Tories take power they will just vote another referendum to leave the EU. Another problem is that other countries will veto the addition of the UK to the EU unless they are offered something.
The lesson for the EU from Brexit is that, they can not allow a member like the UK, ever again. You won, deal with it!
Be careful they don't try to do what some Conservatives in the States are suggesting (to deal with the young vote), raising the voting age to keep them from voting. The hypothesis being that they'll become more conservative (and vote the Right way) as they get older.
Little chance of the voting age being raised in the UK. There talking about lowering it to sixteen.The biggest problem with voting at any age (to my way of think)is nobody is taught history any more, well not properly at least and without knowing history we are doomed to repeat the mistakes of history.
American here. They can't unless they change the Constitution. The 26th amendment states, "the right of citizens of the United States, who are eighteen years of age or older, to vote shall not be denied or abridged by the United States or by any State on account of age.
@@debmcr1 The American constitution has been amended/changed 27 times and as late as 1992 so it's not that much of a stretch.
@@archie15900 Doubt they would get three-fourths (38) states to support such an amendment.
The younger generation can't even fix a meal for themselves.
well said, and too woke as well
I saw Robert Peston on tv this morning, and he says we should give Brexit until 2036 to see if it works. If we leave it 2036 the UK will not have the money to rejoin the EU.
We've made the bed and we must lie in it. We've left and the chances of rejoining are so slim. You'll never sway the gammons they've been radicalized into believing the Brexit pipe dream and those who were undecided would be intimidated or convinced not to vote.
I voted to remain despite me not reading either side's position or knowing fully what I was voting for because I had a feeling that leaving would have disastrous consequences but I am a minority compared to the majority who believe it's fine.
I don't believe in polling either as it can't be accurate.
Maybe the way to do it is to slowly walk back all the legislation until we're back in the EU in all but name?
like a snake?
@@middleman9183 if the snake thought they could do it
in other words, be rule takers?
that's the situation already, we haven't moved away from the EU in any measurable way