Brexit 'red tape' causing ‘massive problems’ for UK and EU says Guy Verhofstadt | LBC
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- Former Prime Minister of Belgium and MEP Guy Verhofstadt said the British economy and industry has suffered since leaving the EU.
It came after caller Gareth from Matlock told Mr Verhofstadt that both the EU and the UK will benefit from “frictionless” trade in future, as he predicted more free trade agreements would come about.
But Mr Verhofstadt hit back, telling LBC’s Matt Frei: “That’s not the reality on the ground. The reality on the ground is there are huge problems for the European Union and for the British economy and the British industry.
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first caller sums up exactly what's wrong with this country & why we're absolutely F&%KED
Yes agreed. Maybe he should consider getting divorced from his family to improve his relationship with them 🤔🤭😂
Spoke about it with mates in the pub, it's dead simple these experts are just project fear.
And the rudeness of the last caller showing that British exceptionalism is still alive and well. The EU will be reluctant to have any rejoin discussions while that persists.
Yes, he still thinks he can cherry pick , and the EU has to bend over for the UK
Noticed how the callers are ignorant to the fact the the Tories aren't enforcing reciprocal checks on EU goods, hence they are giving EU producers a competitive advantage over British producers? The Tories have pretty much turned Britain into a vassal state of the EU, i wish the daily mail would tell these people whats actually happening.
Will never happen.
...they need to check out the Guardian to check out what the man in the street thinks....😊
As an Australian, I am aware that the UK is illegally treating Australian (and other non EU) suppliers differently to EU suppliers. There will be a WTO complaint made about this....COVID cannot be used as an excuse for ever.
@@v.sandrone4268 Correct I'm surprised no one has lodged a complaint with the WTO.
The Daily Mail are known for telling the truth 🤣.
The second Brexit caller is great. She is complaining, that a country within the EU (Hungary) is a sovereign country and is able to make sovereign decisions , Brexiteers are not the smartest
Yeah, the EU has been incredibly resolute on Ukraine and has brought in Germany and France behind it (it has totally reformed German defence policy)
Hungary would be an outlier in or out of Europe, but this way, the EU can at least put some pressure on Hungary
I don’t think you understand the EU sunshine. You can do very little without EU directives.
@@indacage271 Fact dont care about your feeling
Go wave your EU flag lol.
@damianbutterworth2434 The EU is a great idea that has brought unity and coherence to diverse member states
Rather than Hungary (the outlier in this) perhaps being drawn into union with Russia, they can't bec they need to remain in the EU
It's not pretty, but better than the alternative
The failure of Brits to understand the relationship between voting to leave the single market and customs union and their own livelihoods is depressing and exasperating
The failure to understand the single market heavily favoured mercantile Germany at the expense of other members is exasperating in the extreme. The failure to extend the single market to services where the UK excels was no accident as it would have undermined Germany. We didn't fit and the disadvantages far outweigh the positives for the UK. EU corpus juris is repugnant and antithetical to UK law.
@@cosmos237 what UK law , the tax haven law that protects the crown estate ?
Failure to recognize basic business sense is beyond laughable!!
Tell that to millions of UNDER-employed British workers who watched pay and conditions flushed down the toilet thanks to free movement of labour.
You can't leave the EU and stay in the Single Market and Customs Union. Inside the EU makes all the trade arrangements so we could not make our own, we would have to continue applying the same tariffs that they would decided and sending them most of the import duties, and also having free movement, so it wouldn't be leaving, it would be turning us into a vassal state.
Trade by the way is way up both with the EU and the rest of the World, and there are loads of jobs available so our livelihoods have improved considerably.
The basic ignorance and misunderstanding of reality of the English people, is mind blowing. It knows no bounds.
Was not my idea mate I had no clue what it meant to leave at the time had no real understanding of it & neither did most people which suited them just fine😜
@@therealtea9786 exactly
In Britain you don’t speak about politics or religion hence total ignorance.
...and the greatest country on the planet...and that's why you're still here ....albeit whingeing....😊
@@chatham43well to leave he'd require freedom of movement..
How else did your family get here chaaat???
The callers!!
The first one thinks Brexit was great because it's improved relations with EU countries.
The second thinks that you're not allowed to support Ukraine if you're in the EU.
The third doesn't seem to realise that a lot of the food he buys comes from the continent (and is more expensive due to Brexit)
Where do they get these ideas?
FBpedia?
Murdoch, Johnson, Farage et al
GB News, Talk TV, the Mail, the Express, the Sun, even the BBC. Take your pick! In fact 90% of the media.
The Sun, the Daily Mail, and the Telegraph.
It's a retorical question I assume😅
Brexit Britain is embarrassing.
The UK and EU has had no growth for decades because of EU policies. Will the EU even be worth joining in ten years’ time?
Consider how much the EU has already declined relative to the United States. Fifteen years ago, according to the IMF, the GDP of the Eurozone was just under $14 trillion, while the U.S. economy was marginally bigger.
Today, the Eurozone’s GDP is just under $15 trillion, a modest rise by any standards. But the U.S.’s GDP has roared ahead to $25 trillion, making its economy 60 per cent bigger than the Eurozone. That’s a lot of relative economic decline for the Euro area in just a decade and a half.
The failure of Europe to keep pace with America has taken its toll on living standards. The average EU country is now poorer per head than every state in America bar Idaho and Mississippi.
The EU is a dismal failure just look at the facts and figures !
@@garyb455 "just look at the facts and figures !" ...OK, cite one
Then please leave it. Would you accept a government plan to move you people to France?
Great post. What's backing up the comment, though? Just remainiac moaning?
@@mikacarney The EU has had no significant growth since 2013.
That first guy sums it all up... still totally deluded
08:57 the second Brexit caller is great. She is complaining, that a country within the EU (Hungary) is a sovereign country and is able to make sovereign decisions 😂.
Indeed. It did cross my mind as well. But hey, don't tell her that UK could make the same decision while in EU as Hungary can. That would be a bit too much for her!
how many billions is it that the EU are holding back from that sovereign country due to a rule of law issue?
@@curls9032And your point is .......?
@@repelsteeltje90 one is not a sovereign nation when others can hold back budgeted monies destined for so called sovereign nation on a rule of law issue.
@@curls9032 well, the EU is for democracy. Rule of law is an important tool for democracy. Hungary is slowly becoming a rogue state. Sovreignity does not mean a country can do whatever it likes within or outside the EU. If a country becomes an anarchy it has consequences that can lead to sanctions. Russia is sovreign, but does not rule the world
Why were these callers allowed on, surely the producer is there to vet them? All three were an embarrassment - unless I'm wrong and they truly are representative of the UK? So sad 😢
....they have every right to air their views...as do you tragically....😊
Well yes, the average Brit must be pretty thick - we did vote a majority for Brexit, and to keep the Tories in power for 13 years. So, these callers are probably pretty representative, unfortunately. A failed education system, clearly.
@@chatham43 One of the saddest lessons of history is this: If we’ve been bamboozled long enough, we tend to reject any evidence of the bamboozle. We’re no longer interested in finding out the truth. The bamboozle has captured us. It’s simply too painful to acknowledge, even to ourselves, that we’ve been taken. Once you give a charlatan power over you, you almost never get it back. ~Carl Sagan
This is from Carl Sagan's book "The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark," which was published in 1995. The quote highlights the idea that when people have been deceived or manipulated for a long time, they might become resistant to accepting evidence that contradicts the deception. This phenomenon can make it difficult for individuals to recognize and acknowledge when they have been misled. Brexit supporters are prime examples...
...and they have every right to air their views...what part of that do you refuse to grasp....!?
@@chatham43For a meaningful discussion you need two sides who at the very least understand what the topic is. For a radio show that means vetting the callers. What part of that do you refuse to grasp?
First caller had me cringing. Yeah, course he’s doing a great job, and things are all sunshine and rainbows…. 🤦♂️
I think he got his unicorn. He just cut it to pieces (was touched by the living crisis) and found out it was a horse with glued 'horn'...
Don't forget the Skittles and fairies!😂
Exports to the EU are at an all time high. The UK and EU states are seeing stagnation and inflation because the central banks in either area pumped to much money into the system devaluing either currency. I thought you guys liked facts? 🤡
Why Japan or any other countrie would like to trade with 67M UK rather than 500M EU? The bad thing its that we all come to loose with this. Im Portuguese and when i see that UK was leaving EU i could not believe. EU its a permanent battle and brexit Its almost looks like Dunkirk. What Winston churchill would say about all this. EU its not just about money. How old its Pink Floyd song Money? and how fresh it sounds.
@@joaogarcia9488 The UK is by far Europe's biggest player in banking and financial services. Its GDP per capita is far higher than in the EU, $46k vs $38k which makes the average UK consumer a more attractive customer than the average EU consumer. The UK doesn't insist on trying to meddle in Japans internal affairs in order to agree trading terms in regards to state subsidies and other such areas. The UK would unquestionably act in conjunction with Japan and other allies in the event of a conflict with China. Would you like me to go on? Since the UK left the EU trade with EU nations is at an all time high along with trade with non EU nations. Since 2010 the UKs economy has grown faster than any other G7 nation outstripping all of the EUs largest nations in terms of growth. We in the UK value our national identity and the idea of ever closer union diminishing that status and moving us towards being a small part of a large European federation driven by the ideals of liberal European political elites is abhorrent. Churchill would most certainly have voted for brexit. I invite you to search for a quotation of his about everything south of Dover, reflect on the time that comment was made and the changes seen since then in its regard.
The caller obviously reads and believes the nonsense in the Mail, Express, Sun etc. He thinks Sunak is doing all right. He knows nothing.
.....what issues with the DM concerned you when you subscribed to it....?
Dear Sir: Whatever newspaper one chooses to read is also a self-conscious choice, you read whatever you prefer. OK, the fact that some of them took the opportunity to endorse Brexit & its philosophies, well someone has to do it, present the case for it, justify it, see that the best comes of it. That's only logical. Myself, I read none of those aforementioned ones, but I do subscribe to the Times, that archetypal British institution that, in spite of its penchant for impartial observation, has been known to call out the EU on several occasions and over diverse and often unrelated topics, such as the monumental Eva Kaili scandal, she who was caught with suitcases full of euros in her Brussels apartment.
Well said,these remainers are very strange.
I'm European, Dutch in fact, but I don't want the UK back in the EU. I'd have preferred for them to stay in, because the UK and the Netherlands often share the same views. Now that they're out, for the next decades I will not trust them to be wholeheartedly in. And that's what we need from the larger countries like Germany, Italy and France: to make the European peace project and economic project work, for else we'll never be able to be on a parr with the big players like the USA an China and in a military context Russia. So better out than reluctantly in and constantly on the brakes. That doesn't mean the UK cannot be allowed into the customs union and single market, but that can only be on EU terms and whatever the UK wants to export to the EU will have to conform to EU standards. We won't allow for false competition in the labour market or environmentally either, because that would hurt our own economy. It may sound a bit harsh and if I were a politician, like Verhofstadt, I could never say it this clearly, but I know most Euopeans and their leaders think of it this way.
Goodo. Avid Remainers apart, we're mostly fine with things as they are too. It's only Remainers and Verhofstadt who are agitating for re-entry. The rest of us don't want to reopen this can of worms for a long time if ever.
The single market is a feature of the EU and hence not an option available to the UK. Remainers seem to be in the majority according to the latest opinion polls, however that’s irrelevant because it’s up to the EU to decide which countries they will allow to join. The UK has left and that’s all there is to it
@@martinhommel9967 That's a bit of an oversimplification. Certainly the European Economic Area is a feature of the EU. But: The EEA includes EU countries and also Iceland, Liechtenstein and Norway. It allows them to be part of the EU 's single market. Switzerland is not an EU or EEA member but is part of the single market. If the UK and the EU agree, the UK can also be part of the EEA or the single market.
@@ProsciuttinoXL yes that's why I mentioned the EEA. Norway spoke out against the UK's EEA membership, so EFTA countries have a say as well. Switzerland has a number of bespoke deals which won't be offered to the UK as free movement of people is included.
You sound frightened of competition.
I have never heard a Brexiteer make any sense, ever. I don’t think I’m in any danger of it either.
...and Labour don't need them either...totally agree...😊
@@chatham43hello... local loony 🤡 ...
Our relations with the EU better?They are sorry for us and rightly so.
@@sheilaroddick5853I'm sorry for us too!! 😂
@sheilaroddick....you flatter our importance if you think they care either way..... they have their own issues....as we have ours....
Ironically, the Brexit was actually the best proof that EU members are sovereign not only in theory but also in practise. As long as you can leave a community, you are by definition sovereign. Texas cannot leave the US, Texas is not sovereign. Poland can leave the EU, Poland is sovereign.
If decisions are taken that you object to but are enforced you are not sovereign, unless as you say you leave, Big difference
@@johnpugh3348Given the UK was in the EU for 40+ years I am sure you have plenty of examples where the UK was forced to accept something against its will
You are correct which was why i fought for 50 years against our membership @@jimmylonglegs
Correction Texas can leave the union with two-thirds votes from States. Aside from the Constitution and the Bill of rights by all practical purposes all the states are sovereign.
@johnpugh3348 literally the same argument can be said for labour voters being forced to adopt Conservative politics even though they are against them. Its called democracy. When you join a union, no one country will have an overall say or even more of a say. Unfortunately British arrogance is alive and well, we're they believed they should have all the benefits of the EU but not have to adapt to its rule. 🙄
So this caller spent time living in the EU, but he voted for brexit because he didn't like the relationship with the EU. Well I guess he's happy with the relationship now🫢
....think most brexiteers are angry they didn't really get a true Brexit....!
@@chatham43An utter Gammon
The first caller must be living under a stone. No tariffs? He is talking utter nonsense, complete idiocy. Again the same exceptionism that continues to delude us as a nation. Europe will not buy cars from the UK when they can buy them from mainland europe. Stellantis and BMW will withdraw from the UK as quickly as they entered.
The first caller is deluded. Brexit has failed by any measure you use. That he doesn't understand that we've essentially subjected ourselves to trade barriers and starved our job market of essential workers says a lot about the ignorance of the Brexit mindset.
Childish nonsense!
Exports to the Single market have suffered no discernable drop according to the LSE, and the whole of western Europe is short of workers.
We went from 4th supplier to Germany down to 11th. Young workers are in ever increasing shortage across the ageing European continent, brexit made us a very unattractive option for young Europeans . Instead we have replaced Sophia from Rome with Muhammad from Mumbai which seems to be what the dimwitted Brexiters didn’t want.
@@RemoanersareKretins
The UK has a loss of £100 billion per year due to Brexit |Bloomberg
@@saba1030
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Based on a 2018 model of T May's woefully inadequate negotiations with Brussels and presuming exports to the Single market would crash after BREXIT. which of course they didn't!
Have another go son but this time do some research!
@@RemoanersareKretins Just look up for Bloomberg =losses for UK due to Brexit...
But to be honest, I don't really care... be happy with your sewage poluted British waters, your crumbling raac buildings, potholes in the roads, disappearing NHS converting into a private health system US style, food banks for hospital staff and all the other "things"....
Greetings from the EU27 😊
The Idiocracy of those callers......this country is doomed
...so it's bye bye from Connor...or are we stuck with your endless bleatings....?
Doomed the end of the world !
But you are clever 🤣
Wow, after listening to this show, I would have one task for LBC: Prior placing the people to face such a rare visitor, could you make sure the caller actually understands what Brexit meant and how it affects us? The first caller was an embarrassment. The third one the same.
The only embarrassments are those hero worshipping people like Guy 😂.
@@gameofender4463 People who worship Farage are worst ! I mean the man can't even beat a man dress as a dolphin
@@gameofender4463like you worship Farage you mean?
Guy is an experienced politician who knows there are always numpties like these callers, who think they know what they are talking about. Sadly as soon as they open their mouths, their ignorance is writ large!
@@gameofender4463I haven't said I worship Guy. Or you haven't read the comment?
I just pity him that he had to face such... Ignorance.
How are people so poorly informed?
Largely because they've been fed a decades-long diet of anti-EU lies by Farage and his chums in the right-wing press.
Ignorance about the EU and very poor media.
People need an enemy to make sense of the world. These chose the EU. A strange choice, but there you go.
The first caller is the embarrassment to the UK and the boiled gammon brain. I’m so sorry to the EU and Gus Verhofstadt for the people like these. I do hang my shame for the type of people who think this way. I hope one day in my life time the UK will rejoin. Thank you Gus Verhofstadt for making time to talk today.
The UK and EU has had no growth for decades because of EU policies. Will the EU even be worth joining in ten years’ time?
Consider how much the EU has already declined relative to the United States. Fifteen years ago, according to the IMF, the GDP of the Eurozone was just under $14 trillion, while the U.S. economy was marginally bigger.
Today, the Eurozone’s GDP is just under $15 trillion, a modest rise by any standards. But the U.S.’s GDP has roared ahead to $25 trillion, making its economy 60 per cent bigger than the Eurozone. That’s a lot of relative economic decline for the Euro area in just a decade and a half.
The failure of Europe to keep pace with America has taken its toll on living standards. The average EU country is now poorer per head than every state in America bar Idaho and Mississippi.
The EU is a dismal failure just look at the facts and figures !
@@garyb455And meanwhile the UK - now out of the EU - is soaring ahead 😂
@@garyb455 "just look at the facts and figures !" ...OK, cite one
@garyb455 another fried gammon headed Brexit embarrassment. The only thing the USA wants from the UK is the NHS and the Tory party, in which Rishi Sunak who was over the USA talking about selling more of the NHS off. You have to ask yourself is that you do more trade with your closest neighbour than others across a vast ocean.
It was actually painful to listen to it.
The UK was already an independent nation when it was in the EU. The UK's reputation has taken a hit since leaving.
This first caller had no idea what he was talking about, which explains why he voted the way he did.
Nothing to be done about reputational damage. Have to focus on the socio-economic damage being done by both brexit and the tories. If we don't address that harm being done, plenty of people will become even more susceptible to the lies and hatred spread by the tabloids, which then puts this country in a self-fulfiling cycle of decline and socio-economic harm, rise in extremism and hatred, more terrible people elected as politicians who go on to implement even more insidious, nasty policies to keep control over a more dissatisfied populace.
@@ecaeas4439 A mouthful but truthful. Not to mention that there's an intense hatred between various regions/nations of the UK.
@@sueyourself5413 It takes a lot of words to explain what are complicated issues. This isn't black and white, and I think some of the things being said about the UK and how the harm being done is somehow deserved because of brexit is outrageous. I wouldn't personally say that of any country but that's because I know the harsh reality of socio-economic harm; it hurts everyone, not just your political enemies.
HA HA HA HA Oh really, was it? Please explain how a member state of a political union can be described as "independent"?
@@davidgreen6490because that member state has the option to leave. This in itself is an example of sovereignty
Never heard of Guy? Must have been living under a rock.
We were better in the European Union then out of it.
For me personally there has been no benefit for us leaving and I can’t see any benefit to the country.
Does anyone have any positives to individuals or the country because I would genuinely like to know?
Before : We make the rules in the EU and the rest will follow
After : We follow the EU and EU decides what we follow
UK brexiteers; we got blue passport covers
Whoopy!!!😂 Totally laughable isn't it?!
@@julezpanda14 Canada has a free trade deal with the EU, without being a member of the EU. When Canada sells a product in the EU, it has to respect the domestic EU rules, and when an EU member state sells a product in Canada, it has to respect the domestic Canadian rules. Britain should follow Canada's example.
@@opencommentsbbcnewsnight1704It depends on how big and politically important you are to 26 EU countries. A small tax haven for the super rich to avoid eu-anti tax avoidance laws and hide taxable wealth is not that attractive to the EU. Why do you think uk did not go for Norway style or Swiss style? Because the EU insisted any deal would require that law, specifically, “we don’t want a Singapore on Thames on our doorstep.“
@@jschreiber6461 There was never any 'Singapore on Thames' to begin with. It's nonsense spawn from a fundamental lack of understanding regarding how Singapore works. Singapore is successful not because of any tax haven status, it's the port of call in one of the most busy primary trade routes in the world. There was never going to be *Singapore of '__________'* anywhere because that kind of geography don't come around often if at all.
The UK was never making rules in the EU. It only had the ability (occasionally) to resist some of the worst EU rule proposals. That said, the UK also failed to take advantage of the opportunities that Brexit had made possible -- in which case, what was the point?
The last 10 years has really opened my eyes to how U.K. politicians are no longer statesmen, whilst in the EU statesmanship has been consistently evident. Glad I left such a declining nation.
....and we are all grateful you did and made this a better country...😊
@@chatham43who are we? I’d rather you left. You don’t speak for everyone.
Most of them R paid administrators for Oligarchs
@sia....so you are happy to remain in our failing country...I'm perfectly happy to remain in this great country...who should leave...not rocket science matey...😊
@@chatham43 How does saying someone leaving the country makes the country better? Why not find out the reasons why they are leaving. Standard Brexiteer nonsense.
The absolute blind ignorance of the last caller, I bet he never completed a game of join the dots when he was a child.
I don't think I've ever seen this many people defend something that has been proven 100% to be a failure.
...apart from the disastrous lockdown...?
Project fear ! Ha ha
Why that man is assuming the EU would need to import electtic cars from the UK? He is not aware the EU is ahead in this technology?
So why do they import fossil fuel cars from the UK?
Remainers pretending they know things and spouting lies. How many years till they stop crying? Do they still want older to die?
The relationship with the eu has always been excellent 👌 the problem has always been that whoever has been in power, they have blamed there mistakes and hard times on the eu. Making the eu a scapegoat for 30+ years.
Rupert Murdoch in particular. He has been the biggest poison for the UK in the last 50 years. Sitting politicians cannot say this publicly because they will be terminated by the media he is controlling.
Exactly this. They were always a convenient scapegoat.
Uk could also use the pound instead of €uro
The EU is neoliberalism made flesh. The circumventing of democracy by corporate interests. As Wolfgang Schaeuble told the Greeks, 'we don't let votes change economic policy' they then dropped German bank debt and penury on Greece. Could there be a better reason to leave?
@cosmos237 and how is that different to what we have in the UK now??
3:35 Margaret Thatcher was a strong supporter of the single market, but she did not invent it. The concept of a single market for the European Economic Community (EEC) was first proposed in the 1960s, and it was gradually implemented over the next two decades. The concept of the European Single Market, which aims to create a unified economic area without barriers to the movement of goods, services, capital, and people among European Union (EU) member states, was developed over time through a series of treaties and agreements.
One of the significant steps in creating the Single Market was the Single European Act (SEA) of 1986, which was signed and ratified by the member states of the European Communities (which later evolved into the European Union). The SEA aimed to establish the Single Market by 1992 and involved the removal of barriers to trade and the harmonization of various regulations and standards.
While no single individual can be credited with inventing the Single Market, it was a collective effort by EU member states and institutions to promote economic integration within the European Union.
If it had remained a single market, and not morphed into the EU we would still be in it
@@garyb455yea yea and if pig's could fly...
Just wondering why then it was so important to leave the single market as well as EU. Surely you could have left EU and stayed in the single market ? Other countries are capable of being in the single market and not EU, why couldn't UK ?@@garyb455
@@garyb455 Read the treaty of Rome (1957) it's all there!
The first called what an embarrassment He is the sort of bloke you avoid in the pub
Jesus it is embarrassing listening to those 3 people who phoned in.
Either they don't understand the seriousness of the consequences at all, or they are financially secure and don't care about anyone else.
The callers in this video are embarrassing.
Guy cares more about this country than our own Politicians do.
You’re like Lord haw haw
Of course that's why he wanted to take our vaccines !
We should never forget about Brexshit and the harm it's doing to us.
First caller…. When you purposely cut off your own limbs and then - after realising the difficulty that caused - it’s very easy to say “things are improving now I have a prosthetic arm!”.
Gus Verhofstadt is articulate and informed. Thanks for this.
Unlike all the brexitards 😂😂
His name is Guy (pronounced as “Ghee”)
The UK and EU has had no growth for decades because of EU policies. Will the EU even be worth joining in ten years’ time?
Consider how much the EU has already declined relative to the United States. Fifteen years ago, according to the IMF, the GDP of the Eurozone was just under $14 trillion, while the U.S. economy was marginally bigger.
Today, the Eurozone’s GDP is just under $15 trillion, a modest rise by any standards. But the U.S.’s GDP has roared ahead to $25 trillion, making its economy 60 per cent bigger than the Eurozone. That’s a lot of relative economic decline for the Euro area in just a decade and a half.
The failure of Europe to keep pace with America has taken its toll on living standards. The average EU country is now poorer per head than every state in America bar Idaho and Mississippi.
The EU is a dismal failure just look at the facts and figures !
@@garyb455 you would need accurate facts and figures to start with…..eu combined GDP is closer to €20 trillion 🤡
My brother rated Verhofstadt.
'Regain sovereignty through the power of Europe' ...this is so true. Without friends we will loose more power... without power we loose more control.... and with that our sovereignty
Hope Mr. Verhofstadt returns to LBC in future programs.😊
Doubtful he won't waste his time, let them live in their own little world
The UK had a privileged position In the EU we had a big say, we kept the pound which if you remember before brexit the exchange rate was in our favour.
Even if we did rejoin we are not getting that same position back.
yes the brits foolishly squandered the concessions/rebaits/optouts that your former prime ministers extorted from the EU...
Hysterical Brexiteers: "We want out of the club!"
EU: "Well, we can't stop you."
Hysterical Brexiteers: "But we want to be treated as if we are still IN the club."
EU: "No."
Hysterical Brexiteers: "Whaaaaaaa!!!!!!"
You are the one crying.
It's just more advantageous to be educated, that's the best protection against stupidity....
...can you recommend any private schools....?
Study said if more Britons had been university educated, brexit would not have happened.
I have dual nationality. I moved back to Italy last year. My stuff is in boxes in England ready to ship. My son who exports to EU still hasn’t shipped my stuff because it is so complicated and he hasn’t had time.
Who cares
We are a third country as far as the EU goes. Great, eh, walking away, with no exit plan, from the largest non tariff trading partner. The Brexit that 7 years later is a disaster and will be until we acknowledge same.
...and 7 years later you are still here...😊
Garath on the line , a conservative councilor who once lived in France , He also believes the EU built roads in Ireland that go nowhere ,
Ironically the British actually did build roads to nowhere in Ireland.
Google "famine roads"
Being Irish I can a assure you that thanks to those roads its no longer a long way to Tipperary, you can be there and back before lunch.
Jealous he didn't get the funds for his interests.
Travel from Dublin to Belfast. You only know you enter UK when modern 'up-to-the-minute' motorway morphs into 1950s British A road.
Guy is 100 %right...a great deal of the uk s problens derive from brexit...
The UK and EU has had no growth for decades because of EU policies. Will the EU even be worth joining in ten years’ time?
Consider how much the EU has already declined relative to the United States. Fifteen years ago, according to the IMF, the GDP of the Eurozone was just under $14 trillion, while the U.S. economy was marginally bigger.
Today, the Eurozone’s GDP is just under $15 trillion, a modest rise by any standards. But the U.S.’s GDP has roared ahead to $25 trillion, making its economy 60 per cent bigger than the Eurozone. That’s a lot of relative economic decline for the Euro area in just a decade and a half.
The failure of Europe to keep pace with America has taken its toll on living standards. The average EU country is now poorer per head than every state in America bar Idaho and Mississippi.
The EU is a dismal failure just look at the facts and figures !
Need some copium?🙀@@garyb455
@@garyb455 "just look at the facts and figures !" ...OK, cite one
Sure, but we're being told that it's pointless to try and remedy any of the damage from brexit because "nobody wants us back" or we aren't compatible. We're also being told we need to recognise in full the damage brexit has done. I agree that we need to recognise the damage in full, but that's also because I passionately believe that with time and effort we have a way to tackle those issues.
The issue here is people to recognise active and ongoing harm without giving them any route to fix it. Why is someone going to occupy such a self-defeating position? We need to have a way of fixing the damage.
@garyb455 without the eu welfare and health standards in the uk will plummet....unsafe meat and crops etc....if that s what you want keep going
What an idiot of a caller. Free trade is a nice thing, but the caller forgets something important: both sides have to benefit from it. The problem is that the UK wants to undermine standards - this basic idea was the seed for Brexit (sown by multi-billionaires). Products that do not comply with EU standards will logically not be allowed to be exported to the EU (e.g. because consumer protection is against it). In this respect, free trade will not work for all products because the UK does not WANT to comply with European standards. That is the reason why right-wing conservatives pushed for Brexit. The entire Brexit is based on the British's unacceptance of the high standards of goods and rights that EU laws prescribe. The idiotic narrative that the EU NEEDS the UK market as an export market has proven to be a mistake: not even the car industry gave in to politics (and didn't want to, because Brexit also meant restricting the freedom of movement of workers, which the industry and the economy on both sides did not like). And what products does the UK have to offer that the European market needs? Nothing. In addition, the UK will no longer be a functioning export market if purchasing power there suffers a sustained decline due to Brexit.
Brexit Britain was fined 1bn for trying to flog chinese product in the EU this year ! Brexit Britain cannot be trusted
Yawn
The UK use to be the middle man of the world for business now it's just a laughing stock!
Kudos to Gina Miller. She was ridiculed and her family attacked over Brexit. She knew this would be the terrible result. She deserves compensation from the government and a public apology.
She got it wrong - why would we compensate getting it wrong?
....from the hard pressed british tax payer you mean...!
The only way she will get compensation from this government is if she donates to them. Then they'll be more than happy to feather her nest with public funds.
Yet she spoke,out against Corbyn, and enabled a Tory Brexit in so doing.
@@Edge81 great woman . Put Farage in prison for all the lies he sold all the poor people who voted Brexit and are suffering now I say and send all the conservatives to Rwanda never to return. The Rich are not suffering because of Brexit and most voted to remain like me 😂😂😂
Guy Verhofstadt , a decent fella , he kept at it , he never gave up trying to secure the rights of British citizens in Europe and the EU citizens in the UK ,
The UK and EU has had no growth for decades because of EU policies. Will the EU even be worth joining in ten years’ time?
Consider how much the EU has already declined relative to the United States. Fifteen years ago, according to the IMF, the GDP of the Eurozone was just under $14 trillion, while the U.S. economy was marginally bigger.
Today, the Eurozone’s GDP is just under $15 trillion, a modest rise by any standards. But the U.S.’s GDP has roared ahead to $25 trillion, making its economy 60 per cent bigger than the Eurozone. That’s a lot of relative economic decline for the Euro area in just a decade and a half.
The failure of Europe to keep pace with America has taken its toll on living standards. The average EU country is now poorer per head than every state in America bar Idaho and Mississippi.
The EU is a dismal failure just look at the facts and figures !
The great USA.. !!!!! EU failed project ??? Away
The UK does not want any rights in Europe, we dont want anything to do with it.
@@garyb455 the us has a big advantage because its a single market. breaking up europe into smaller markets again will make it worse, not better. Europe actually still has FAR too much duplication and administration. They actually need to lean into the EU MORE, not less. Like he explained about the EU military spending, just a massive amount of duplication which makes the whole less effective.
@@garyb455failed to keep pace with American standard of living😂 I think most British people, despite the tories attempts at destruction prefer some welfare state, holidays, rights to pregnancy leave, job protections etc etc
As a Spaniard, I am afraid that the United Kingdom's media model will end up spreading throughout the European Union. We talk a lot about the dangers of social networks, but for coexistence and the truth, newspapers like The Sun, The Daily Mail.... are much more dangerous.
How's Spain economy?
@@timvella1817Growing more than the European Union average, it is the EU economy that has grown the most in 2023. Inflation in September 2023 in Spain has been 3.5%, in the United Kingdom it has been 6.7%. Spain's growth in 2023 is 2.4% and that of the United Kingdom is 0.2%.
Brexit was only supposed to benefit a hand full of people in this country. Those people are doing extremely well at our expense now. That is why there is no effort to fix any of this.
I agree! It benefitted the working class unlike EU membership which only benefitted the wealthy.
...at your expense...so even the middle-class are suffering...no wonder you're so concerned...😊
I don’t understand how one can be “sick n tired” of talking about Brexit. It’s an enormous historic catastrophe for God’s sake. Head out of sand people Head out of sand. Save the UK!
....and accept the democratic process and work together to make Brexit succeed as the true patriot you are despite your misgivings....respect...😊
as a EU citizen, Brexshit is over!
They don't like having to deal with the conative dissonance of having to defend their love of it vs the facts of reality.
i love brexit.
the english pirates are finally getting a tiny portion of what they deserve.
I always have a feeling that a lot of pro- Brexit voters seem to have this vague sense of Britain as a kind of semi- continent between Europe & America. Not just another country in Europe that happens to have water instead of mountains as a natural border.
That is correct and it is just another manifestation of age old English entitlement and exceptionalism.
Don't underestimate geographical situation. WW2 proved that....unique in Europe. But not in their scam organisation.
@@MrSmegfish Yet the Romans, Saxons,Vikings, Normans etc weren't bothered by it.
Problem with lefties like you. Feelings are not facts.
Brits still talking about Brexit today, EU isn’t. There is your answer to who it benefitted.
Brexit was like removing all four wheels from your car, because you don't like wheels, then moaning that you expected it to go faster afterwards. Completely devoid of sense or reason.
Brexit is also about not accepting that the car needed wheels.
UK exports to the EU are at an all time high 😂
@@ricardosmythe2548 which would be make the stupidity of leaving the EU, therefore making exports far more difficult and costly, even greater.
@@Human_Herbivore UK exports to the EU are at an all time high since brexit took place. You have no argument. Trade with the EU doesn't rest on EU membership for the UK. The UK is better off out of it. Guy doesn't mention that he's been promoting removing national vetos when speaking in the EU parliment while trying to manipulate the British public. Luckily many of us are paying attention to what's happening.
@@ricardosmythe2548 the online figure that says that exports are up is the one that ignores price increases and all the extra costs of exporting. If you think that exports are up because of Brexit, you have lost the plot.
A very smart guy had to listen to a lot of misinformed, but opinionated fools. I'm surprised he had the patience tbh.
“We’re starting to have better relationships with European countries”? You do!? Fascination.
99 year old man uses the phrase “in the long run”.
Are you talking about the "3 scores" guy? "Score" = 20, not 33.
Verhofstadt just speaks so much sense. The UK now is such so so sad.
Hahaha, that's pretty funny, almost nothing he said here is factually true.
Ian knows his stuff🤓@@Iain1962
@@Iain1962 he must have turned into a Brexiteer for 20 minutes then!
@@paulcrovella6239 How do you mean?
@@Iain1962 nothing said is factually true = Brexiteers
The red tape between the EU and the UK is much worse than what I remember when trading with Norway and Switzerland. The only export market that I remember being as obsessed with red tape was the US.
It's even delivery orders from UK to EU (and vice versa). You have to pay huge shipping costs + fees when you get your package.
Wow that's amazing
Guy is the politician that Britain really needs right now. Intelligent, articulate, direct and calm.
No he isn’t 😂.
@gameofender9663 no he really is. But you keep lying to yourself, if it makes you feel better
In my book, one of the vilest politicians around
@@naderzekrya5238what's your book? Mine Kamph?
@@naderzekrya5238 nobody wants to read your book. Now, off you pop.
“It’s always going to be better to have free trade… anyways I voted against being in a free trade agreement.”
Trade with the EU is very far from being free. .. That's why we left!
Nice to see Guy this afternoon. 😎
We were lied to by the Conservative party,who were trying to appeal to their party not the well being of the country
Correct, was a pack of lies. Some saw through it others didnt
The first caller, Was that Lee Anderson?
could have been lol
No, it was Biden.
What was completely missing from the argument from remain was the spirit of being European. The economy yes is important, but I want to feel part of something bigger to work together with fellow nations. To not be restricted from living and working in other European countries. I am proud to be European. Problem with a lot of countries like Poland for instance that have benefited massively economically by being in the EU it’s a very selfish relationship. It’s just what’s in it for us which is why they’re shaky on europe but it’s about something more important than that. The spirit of being European 🇪🇺
Being European doesn't mean being controlled by Europe. That's the point!
Interestingly, this very deep motivation, especially for the youth, seems to never appear in the debate on the UK side.
The reason is british minds are poisoned by the heritage of british empire. They don't see themselves as europeans but the continuation of british empire.
The first caller was deffo Lee Anderson
Seems the UK has not fallen deep enough to understand what the Uk has voted for .... unfo !
First caller talked rather than asked a question?
The last caller was so disrespectful and dead wrong.
Blame Murdock
@@ClannCholmain I do, don't worry.
The last caller got his moment of fame, laid his intellectual limitations bare for all to see, and it made him proud of himself.
I always find the completely incompatible beliefs held about the EU to be fascinating. The UK had to leave the EU for sovereignty! Have to leave the terrible EU oppression! Also don't worry about future relations with the EU they'll be completely okay with hacking away at the single market to help us out.
The UK already had sovereignty befure and while in the EU fact . Every year the UK create new laws without the EU consent
@@diegolove173 Arguably the UK has less "sovereignty" and clearly has less "control" over borders.
A great recent example is EU getting Apple to move to USB C. Which is now that's what's going to happen in the UK without any input from the UK.
Not to mention the one sided trade deals the UK is signing up for which needed to hand over as much or more control than people claim the EU had. Except again when it was the EU the UK always had a voice.
Very sad, so much misinformation.
It’s depressing listening to these callers. Our only hope is that our education system will supply new generations with, at a minimum, adequate critical thinking skills to navigate similar issues in the future.
Everyone knows we will be grovelling to be back in the EU. It's not an if but a when.
Guy is correct. We need PR not fptp
Were those calls from Tory HQ?
Could be same level of intelligence!.
It’s great that the first caller was able to work in Europe, unfortunately with his vote he has prevented his children or grandchildren the same opportunities.
The UK is violating WTO rules by applying checks to imports from other countries but not from the EU.
Nonsense! We have a free trade agreement. 😂
@@remoanersrknts6736 The UK inspects goods from Australia (say) but not from France. This is a non-tariff barrier that is illegal under WTO rules. Australia (and all other countries in the world) would be within its rights to apply a punitive tariff on UK imports. The UK can't keep kicking the ball down the road - what happened to 'control our borders' - how do you know that French lamb isn't actually horse? (bet it is!).
@@endintiers
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30 seconds of research.
*'What are the checks on goods from EU to UK?"*
*'The checks performed on these goods include documentary, identity and physical checks. They are primarily aimed at safeguarding the UK's biosecurity. They will also ensure public health and animal welfare by controlling diseases and invasive species.29 Aug 2023"*
@@remoanersrknts6736 like I said... enjoy your horse meat! 🙂
@@endintiers
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I'm pretty sure we were members of the EU regime in 2013. 😂
*'The 2013 horse meat scandal was a food industry scandal in parts of Europe in which foods advertised as containing spicy beef were found to contain undeclared or improperly declared horse meat - as much as 100% of the meat content in some cases.[1] A smaller number of products also contained other undeclared meats, such as pork.[2] The issue came to light on 15 January 2013, when it was reported that horse DNA had been discovered in frozen beefburgers and lasagna sold in several Irish and British supermarkets.[3]"*
Brexiteers 😮 just no idea how trade works european trade is our bread and butter anything after that is extra what is hard to understand that
As an American, I whole handedly agree with your guest about everything. He's totally right about forming a EU military force. Individually, they are spending the money to do it. I'm surprised the call in guests have a very narrow view of the problems brexit is and will cause everyone, especially Britain. It's very sad to watch what is happening to my British cousins.
"As an American", thank you that's enough for now
The EU Army would be a disastrous thing, because it would undermine NATO.
@@Alexroberts666 That's an ignorant response. The US was a significant factor in this discussion regarding Ukraine. The reality is, without US military help, Ukraine would have already fallen to Russian aggression. Britain's contribution is piddling in comparison.
@@gintasvilkelis2544that's a very shallow take. If you can't see the need of having some level of strategic independence now after what happened in Afghanistan and what can happen in Ukraine and Europe under a different us president like trump, you are delusional
@@paperinik69 As far as "strategic independence" is concerned, can you tell me what Europe would be doing differently if they "had" that? As far as I can see, no matter who is the US president, he will not be able to _force_ other NATO members to do _anything_ they don't want. At the very most, Trump will cause the US support of NATO to throttle down for 4 years (and even _that_ is far from certain), after which that support will inevitably return, because that is in the US national interests. This is the reason also why Democrats (who usually support Russia) have been supporting Ukraine (albeit reluctantly); and once Republicans are back in power, they will likely snap out of their current (childish) attitude "Whatever Biden does, even if we otherwise would agree with it, we are against, simply because it's Biden who' doing it".
In contrast, the EU army would make Europe's military deterrent _permanently_ 10x weaker, which would be a very dangerous thing, because Russia sees the opponent's weakness NOT as "we can relax now", but as "the enemy is weak, so we must take advantage of that".
So, it is _you_ who is looking at this situation in a shallow way.
After listening to the callers on this show i think the "C" in LBC should stand for cringe and not conversation. 🤦♂️
LBC is a lefty echo chamber
Is the first caller 30p Lee?
That last guy was clueless.
He thinks an opposition leader should concentrate on a cost of living crisis but should not be allowed to speak about one of the main causes of the cost of living crisis.
The British people can only hope he doesn't vote.
Having said that, the British people don't live in a democracy so voting has less value than other countries.
Deluded views from some callers.
How can someone phone in that doesn't even know who Guy Verhostadt is, and think they have an informed opinion on Brexit?
....perhaps they have a life to live....and bills to pay...😊
@@chatham43 and yet here they are phoning into a radio show to demonstrate their ignorance
Hungary is one country that is a trouble maker. Fair enough. But all of the rest of the EU is incredible United. More than ever. Ever on the point of seeing Hungary as the trouble maker. So, I think you can’t argue that EU is having issues with unity. Quite the opposite. Support in the EU of the organisation has never been this high.
9:40 Those are just silly examples. You can have disagreements with the union. We don’t all think the same. That’s normal and even appreciated. Poland does not want to leave the EU.
The Hungarians are smart enough to understand that being an EU member protects them from Putin.
the inclusion of the final caller, in his ignorance, into the broadcast by your producers, made me feel ashamed of you.
Guy says the cost of living crisis is down to Brexit? FFS the economies of the EU are in crisis.
We are still paying the EU £19 billion a year to the EU for not being a member! How idiotic
is this? Negotiating skills EU 5 , Britain 0. We won that one didn't we?
The fact is, unless we have the same regulations as the EU (at which point we're essentially a non-voting member of the EU) there must be some sort of customs check on goods and people moving between the EU and the UK. That creates cost, adds delay driving up the price for UK consumers.
Well, what about being self-sufficient? Do you remember in 2020 when we had the worst year for British farmers in living farmers thanks to the weather and how the prices in supermarkets remained relatively stable? That was thanks to overseas trading partners.
I’m not saying the EU didn’t have issues, especially around bureaucracy and non democratic policy. And maybe the positive changes in the EU since credit has been as a direct result and had the UK not left those changes wouldn’t have happened. I’m simply highlighting the direct impact leaving the EU has had on the daily lives of the British public. If the extra cost is worth it to you, that's valid, but would you pay more for sustainably sourced food? How do you feel about our net zero goals and the fuel tax? Are you also willing to make those sacrifices as well
The quality of the callers when they don’t even know who Guy is.
Isn't he the man that was destroyed by Farage in debates many times?
GV is a great guy👏😄😊
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Well you can be an independent nation if you have some worthwhile exports, we don't. Simple economics, you can't be a strength if you have nothing to offer. Scotch whiskey, some niche food products like salmon and shell fish ( Water companies destroying those) , that is our exports, all others under foreign ownership. We had a great deal with Europe, real influence and a reduced contribution. Brexit was and remains economic suicide. So many of those who voted for Brexit did so because they thought their kids would get council homes without all these pesky foreigners getting them , how did that work out? Britain facing the worst housing crisis since the war. This country is literally falling apart, yet the little Englanders will still vote Tory. The UK is a country in serious decline and there is no hope in the future.
The return of GB to the EU is more trouble for the EU that it is worth.
Agreed. And for the UK as well.
Thanks for those words of comfort 🇬🇧
That's why I would prefer us to try and join EFTA and EEA to gain single market access. EEA membership would not allow us to participate in decision-making. We were always seen as an awkward member and posed an obstacle to further integration, anyway.
The first caller did not understand that to have friction free trade that UK has to be either in or aligned to the single market.
The final caller was clearly a right wing think tank underling
Massive problems more for the UK