While I do agree with you about the weight, I think this does fill a niche in the x39 market. I have the 32 rifle and am working on getting/SBRing the 32p. As an owner of many AKs, I noticed the 32 outshines them.all in the accuracy department. My first range trip I was amazed at how accurate the rifle was. So much so that I am thinking of scoping it. I wish I still had my young eyes because I'm not a fan of scopes, but this little rifle needs it if you want to wring out the best of it.
This may be a bit late but I have one, love it to death, I'll take this over my AK, the PTR also extremely consistent recoil, it just bounced strait up and down compaired to the AK even with all the additions. Originally put a compensator which made it extremely flat shooting. I can shoot this gun all day compaired to an AK where I'm good after 10 rounds. If you want to use steel mags you have to round out the feed ramps by bending it a bit until it feeds otherwise relyable and still works with my regular AK. Also some polymer AK mags need a dremmel to cut them to more the Magpul mag style, had to do that for the 40 round mags, after that works great. The big thing is all the compatablity with G3 surplus and parts. Got a supressor (polonium full) and was lucky enough to already have the 65 degree locking piece which made it the most roller lock locking gun out there unsupressed, you feel the bolt carrier move every inch and was sluggish (still completely relyable). Supressed it goes much faster and was relieved that I never got gassed out inside my indoor range after doing bill drills or double taps, not as flat as just the comp, but supressed has other bonuses.
I got one of these and I used a dremel to relieve the inside of the magazine well and now it will run every type of AK mag I have without issue. Suppressing it requires changing out the locking wedge for one with a different angle, and then it will run fine, as long as it stays suppressed. The HK roller locked system is rather inflexible like that. It shoots great, the long reciever results in very controllable recoil. I think it is a really cool gun since it is basically an STG45 from WW2. Post war mauser engineers took that gun, scaled up their design to 7.62 NATO and this became the G3/HK91/CETME rifle. Scaling it back down to 7.62x39 recreates the STG45, and that is kinda neat. The weight makes it hard to justify over an AK however, and the mag compatibility issue is a serious flaw (which can be fixed), but overall this gun is only for people who love the history or will put a full auto trigger pack on it.
I definitely love the idea of this rifle but I can understand its drawbacks. Rob Ski said that rifle was one of the most accurate in the 7.62x39 he's shot. Keep the Armory episodes coming, Graham!! 🙏🙏
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Good video. Food for thought for you and all...one problem may be that if you own many many firearms, you find yourself looking for the ephermal "ultimate" rifle or for a niche firearm...word for wise, they don't exist. You just keep buying guns and safes. As much as I love HK sidearms, all the G3 clones do for me is a heartfelt MEH. The build quality on the PTRs that I've handled is exceptional but after you shoot them you say "conscript's rifle." I still remember the first PTR I shot...I thought the trigger was broken and then the owner said "it's not an AR, just keep pulling hard." Then the recoil impulse (granted these were .308) was so much more pronounced than in my AR 10s and .308 Galils. So. Heavier to carry than an AR10, less accurate than an AR10, less pleasant to shoot than an AR10, and way less cool than a Galil...as well as less accurate and less pleasant than a Galil. So. I'll just enjoy my Galils instead, Better luck next time
I know the mag issue seems like an issue , but pmags are found everywhere and they are the most consistent , mag to mag . You can buy 15 of them and they will all work. I love my 32 . I don’t think it’s a platform that loves lots of mods but you can definitely set it up for modern use. I think the magpul grip module is the best mod you can make . That less raked grip angle makes a big difference .
I own dozens of the most common mag ever produced - the AK 7.62x39 military magazine. I don't want to go buy crap quality magpul or tapco mags, just to shoot in one rifle. It should be the opposite - given the price this thing should take all AK mags, or at the very least, just surplus mags. Some dudes report that certain surplus mags work and some don't. This just makes the water even more murky... Why PTR, why??? Just tweak it until you get it - it would be a decent seller if it took all AK mags... (Edited for bad typos)
I don't mind quirks on this gun - it's a weird little beast but that makes it fun. The mag thing though... What a let down and a deal breaker for me. I am in the same boat - I don't want to go buy crap magpul or Tapco AK mags as I have a ton of surplus mags (standard, bake, drums, RPK, etc.). There are two main reason to own this - it's cool HK style roller delayed and it's in a common (formerly dirt cheap) caliber used in the most popular gun ever made - and therefore it should take the most popular magazine ever made - a standard 7.62x39 AK surplus mag... PTR could sell pallets of these every month if they took all standard AK mags... Some guys report some surplus work - some don't. It's could be so awesome - but it's not. Very disappointed in PTR not putting in the extra time for the mag issue. I would buy two of these immediately if they took all mags. (edited for confusing typo)
Nice looking rifle. I have the C-308. After 60 rounds your shoulder will let you know time to stop. I was going to pick one up , but passed due to the asking price $1200.00 with AIM Surplus. Cleaning them is tedious at best especially the bolt. Nice to see it here. ♠️🎩🎯🎱🇺🇸🏁🇮🇱🇺🇦🔱🌻💮🌸🌼🏴☠️🏹
Oh yeah, the bolt process is very frustrating. One time everything goes super smooth, the next time it seems like you're trying to force a square peg through a round hole.
It is a gun for a person that has EVERY other 7.62x39 gun in existence, and more spare money and time that they know what to do with. PTR-32K might be even a better idea, this one is a bit too heavy as well
Love the concept, hate the change in market prices of 7.62x39 (hoping PSA was going to save it with their own steel cased 7.62x39), and the weight is less than favorable (did they use 7.62x51 parts and overbuild the gun?). What type of accuracy do you get from it at 300 yds? 500 yds?
I'm not sure on the parts as I'm not an expert on this platform. I never test accuracy at ranged beyond what the rifle is responsible for. 300-500 is beyond the cartridge's intended range to boot.
PSA promises the world and then delivers garbage most of the time - years after they promised the world. But yes - these are built to HK-91-ish specs with the longer receiver. They have a heavier than normal barrel for an HK like this. Accuracy is supposedly awesome according to Rob Ski (AK operator union) and others. It's a cool gun but the magazine thing turns me off - will never buy one for that reason.
Same for me, but this is my only 7.62x39 rifle so it's not like I have a bunch else I ever wanted to use. The PMAGs have worked great along with the rifle too.
They function ok at the range. But don't drop your gun with the mag inserted, the plastic lugs will snap like a weak twig. They are not long term durable, not steel reinforced in the lugs, body or feed lips. They might last a couple years, but surplus steel mags are basically the same price and last forever.
Doesn't ring a bell. I'm just boring, but guns like this don't grab me when I already have AK's and AR's. . Now a R1 FAL from Rhodesia would be a different story.
Shame PTR has so aggressively raised their prices lately on their .308 models. I felt like the Niche of a PT91 was "Cold war battle rifle but way less expensive than an M14 or FAL" but now they went up a few hundred dollars in a year and are almost the same price.
With very few exceptions, and very few at that. Nearly every manufactured product whether it be firearm or pickup truck, has gone up tremendously since 2020. Remember all those "free" gov't COVID financial incentives (which I received none of, btw), well we're paying for them now with interest rates and inflation. We're all paying now for that largess then. The only items that haven't seem to be from those manufacturers who have deep enough pockets to stockpile raw materials and inventory. Sorry, but if the price of milk, eggs, and diesel goes up 30%, something's gotta give. Want to keep employees? Have to pay them. Want someone to deliver goods to you or for you? Gotta pay 'em. PTR wasn't alone in this. Not by far
Exactly. Pmags and plastic tapco mags suck - why should I have to gu buy those when everyone and their mother has standard, surplus AK mags laying around. Just dumb and short sighted on PTR's part...
@@NCrdwlf Thats what I hear - it's a mixed bag with surplus mags. You literally have to test all your old AK mags to see which ones work and which ones don't. PTR was lazy - this could be a fantastic seller for them - just do a little more homework.
"And don't call me Shirley " lol
While I do agree with you about the weight, I think this does fill a niche in the x39 market. I have the 32 rifle and am working on getting/SBRing the 32p. As an owner of many AKs, I noticed the 32 outshines them.all in the accuracy department. My first range trip I was amazed at how accurate the rifle was. So much so that I am thinking of scoping it. I wish I still had my young eyes because I'm not a fan of scopes, but this little rifle needs it if you want to wring out the best of it.
I forgot to mention how smoooooooth it is to shoot. Really cool.
This may be a bit late but I have one, love it to death, I'll take this over my AK, the PTR also extremely consistent recoil, it just bounced strait up and down compaired to the AK even with all the additions. Originally put a compensator which made it extremely flat shooting. I can shoot this gun all day compaired to an AK where I'm good after 10 rounds. If you want to use steel mags you have to round out the feed ramps by bending it a bit until it feeds otherwise relyable and still works with my regular AK. Also some polymer AK mags need a dremmel to cut them to more the Magpul mag style, had to do that for the 40 round mags, after that works great. The big thing is all the compatablity with G3 surplus and parts. Got a supressor (polonium full) and was lucky enough to already have the 65 degree locking piece which made it the most roller lock locking gun out there unsupressed, you feel the bolt carrier move every inch and was sluggish (still completely relyable). Supressed it goes much faster and was relieved that I never got gassed out inside my indoor range after doing bill drills or double taps, not as flat as just the comp, but supressed has other bonuses.
10rds of an AK and your out? 😅😅😂😂
@@АлакПатрова I've shot a lot more, but when you have better options, why waste your time with your worse gun when your best gun uses the same ammo?
Its a good asphalt rifle.for expeditionary unit.
I got one of these and I used a dremel to relieve the inside of the magazine well and now it will run every type of AK mag I have without issue. Suppressing it requires changing out the locking wedge for one with a different angle, and then it will run fine, as long as it stays suppressed. The HK roller locked system is rather inflexible like that. It shoots great, the long reciever results in very controllable recoil. I think it is a really cool gun since it is basically an STG45 from WW2. Post war mauser engineers took that gun, scaled up their design to 7.62 NATO and this became the G3/HK91/CETME rifle. Scaling it back down to 7.62x39 recreates the STG45, and that is kinda neat. The weight makes it hard to justify over an AK however, and the mag compatibility issue is a serious flaw (which can be fixed), but overall this gun is only for people who love the history or will put a full auto trigger pack on it.
I definitely love the idea of this rifle but I can understand its drawbacks. Rob Ski said that rifle was one of the most accurate in the 7.62x39 he's shot. Keep the Armory episodes coming, Graham!! 🙏🙏
Just came across your site...truly appreciate your no-nonsense approach. Thank you and God bless.
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Don't call me Shirley! LOL
Been on the list for a few years now.
This is high on my list.
You shuld spend some time with one first. #12SpiesGBGunsCollab2024
Good video. Food for thought for you and all...one problem may be that if you own many many firearms, you find yourself looking for the ephermal "ultimate" rifle or for a niche firearm...word for wise, they don't exist. You just keep buying guns and safes.
As much as I love HK sidearms, all the G3 clones do for me is a heartfelt MEH.
The build quality on the PTRs that I've handled is exceptional but after you shoot them you say "conscript's rifle."
I still remember the first PTR I shot...I thought the trigger was broken and then the owner said "it's not an AR, just keep pulling hard."
Then the recoil impulse (granted these were .308) was so much more pronounced than in my AR 10s and .308 Galils.
So. Heavier to carry than an AR10, less accurate than an AR10, less pleasant to shoot than an AR10, and way less cool than a Galil...as well as less accurate and less pleasant than a Galil.
So. I'll just enjoy my Galils instead,
Better luck next time
I know the mag issue seems like an issue , but pmags are found everywhere and they are the most consistent , mag to mag . You can buy 15 of them and they will all work. I love my 32 . I don’t think it’s a platform that loves lots of mods but you can definitely set it up for modern use. I think the magpul grip module is the best mod you can make . That less raked grip angle makes a big difference .
I own dozens of the most common mag ever produced - the AK 7.62x39 military magazine. I don't want to go buy crap quality magpul or tapco mags, just to shoot in one rifle. It should be the opposite - given the price this thing should take all AK mags, or at the very least, just surplus mags. Some dudes report that certain surplus mags work and some don't. This just makes the water even more murky... Why PTR, why??? Just tweak it until you get it - it would be a decent seller if it took all AK mags... (Edited for bad typos)
I don't mind quirks on this gun - it's a weird little beast but that makes it fun. The mag thing though... What a let down and a deal breaker for me. I am in the same boat - I don't want to go buy crap magpul or Tapco AK mags as I have a ton of surplus mags (standard, bake, drums, RPK, etc.). There are two main reason to own this - it's cool HK style roller delayed and it's in a common (formerly dirt cheap) caliber used in the most popular gun ever made - and therefore it should take the most popular magazine ever made - a standard 7.62x39 AK surplus mag... PTR could sell pallets of these every month if they took all standard AK mags... Some guys report some surplus work - some don't. It's could be so awesome - but it's not. Very disappointed in PTR not putting in the extra time for the mag issue. I would buy two of these immediately if they took all mags. (edited for confusing typo)
Oh and great video Mr. GB - thank you. You hit the nail on the head.
"I'm not gonna work... And don't call me 'Shirley'." Nicely done, sir🎩
Thank you, on this channel I'm letting a little more personality out.
Nice looking rifle. I have the C-308. After 60 rounds your shoulder will let you know time to stop. I was going to pick one up , but passed due to the asking price $1200.00 with AIM Surplus. Cleaning them is tedious at best especially the bolt. Nice to see it here. ♠️🎩🎯🎱🇺🇸🏁🇮🇱🇺🇦🔱🌻💮🌸🌼🏴☠️🏹
Oh yeah, the bolt process is very frustrating. One time everything goes super smooth, the next time it seems like you're trying to force a square peg through a round hole.
@@gbgunsmediaAgreed. Messy to clean as well.
I bought ak pak-9 thinking it would be cool but after about a year of not really using it much I was over it.
It is a gun for a person that has EVERY other 7.62x39 gun in existence, and more spare money and time that they know what to do with. PTR-32K might be even a better idea, this one is a bit too heavy as well
Have you tried xtech? Especially the gen 2 mil and slab side. The gen 1 are chunky.
I have really wanted to get an updated Cetme 5.56 but was worried about similar things and I ended up getting a zastava m90 first
I have the CETME L and it is an awesome little rifle. Does it do anything the AR can't do? Nope. But it is a nice rifle.
Nice looking gun. Ironic that the HK version of this concept didn't do any better though for different reasons I think.
Interesting - I need to research that. Thank you for the comment - I didn't know that.
Love the concept, hate the change in market prices of 7.62x39 (hoping PSA was going to save it with their own steel cased 7.62x39), and the weight is less than favorable (did they use 7.62x51 parts and overbuild the gun?). What type of accuracy do you get from it at 300 yds? 500 yds?
I'm not sure on the parts as I'm not an expert on this platform. I never test accuracy at ranged beyond what the rifle is responsible for. 300-500 is beyond the cartridge's intended range to boot.
It is built on the PTR91 system. The bolt/carrier and magwell are modified for the x39.
PSA promises the world and then delivers garbage most of the time - years after they promised the world. But yes - these are built to HK-91-ish specs with the longer receiver. They have a heavier than normal barrel for an HK like this. Accuracy is supposedly awesome according to Rob Ski (AK operator union) and others. It's a cool gun but the magazine thing turns me off - will never buy one for that reason.
Do the gen3 orange follower pmags work? Metal flange.
As far as magpul mags go mine will only take gen 1 it will not take the ones with the metal reinforced feed lip.
Wow - this makes it even less desirable - thank you sir for the info.
I still want one
I never had an issue with ak p-mags
Same for me, but this is my only 7.62x39 rifle so it's not like I have a bunch else I ever wanted to use. The PMAGs have worked great along with the rifle too.
They function ok at the range. But don't drop your gun with the mag inserted, the plastic lugs will snap like a weak twig. They are not long term durable, not steel reinforced in the lugs, body or feed lips. They might last a couple years, but surplus steel mags are basically the same price and last forever.
Have the pistol version. Only negative is that it is only likes magpul mags. Other than that it is great.
The mag thing is so sad - I really want one of these but I can't do it because of that.
Doesn't ring a bell. I'm just boring, but guns like this don't grab me when I already have AK's and AR's. . Now a R1 FAL from Rhodesia would be a different story.
Sounds like my first fiance'...😂😂😂
Well if you want to sell it 😏.
Shame PTR has so aggressively raised their prices lately on their .308 models. I felt like the Niche of a PT91 was "Cold war battle rifle but way less expensive than an M14 or FAL" but now they went up a few hundred dollars in a year and are almost the same price.
With very few exceptions, and very few at that. Nearly every manufactured product whether it be firearm or pickup truck, has gone up tremendously since 2020.
Remember all those "free" gov't COVID financial incentives (which I received none of, btw), well we're paying for them now with interest rates and inflation. We're all paying now for that largess then.
The only items that haven't seem to be from those manufacturers who have deep enough pockets to stockpile raw materials and inventory.
Sorry, but if the price of milk, eggs, and diesel goes up 30%, something's gotta give. Want to keep employees? Have to pay them.
Want someone to deliver goods to you or for you? Gotta pay 'em.
PTR wasn't alone in this. Not by far
As an owner of the Springfield Scout/Squad and the PTR91, I will say the 91 is MUCH easier to scope and feels easier to fote around.
i would want this gun way more if it could be made to take normal mags. or at least more than just pee mags.
I’ve had good luck with East Germans , of the three I have they all work. Not the cheapest though.
Exactly. Pmags and plastic tapco mags suck - why should I have to gu buy those when everyone and their mother has standard, surplus AK mags laying around. Just dumb and short sighted on PTR's part...
@@NCrdwlf Thats what I hear - it's a mixed bag with surplus mags. You literally have to test all your old AK mags to see which ones work and which ones don't. PTR was lazy - this could be a fantastic seller for them - just do a little more homework.
The improved accuracy, makes it worth using over an ak.