HS2: Is Rishi Sunak betraying the North? Feat. Lin Mei, Henry Bonsu & Joe Rukin | Jeremy Vine
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- Rishi Sunak has been accused by metro mayors of betraying the north as he considers abandoning phase two of HS2 to save billions.
Rob Rinder is joined by Lin Mei, Henry Bonsu, and Joe Rukin to discuss.
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HS2 should have started in Manchester. The inward investment would have benefitted the North. Euro star was going all the way the to Manchester, back in the day, and look what happened!. It stopped at London. I fear the link from Birmingham to Manchester will now be cancelled. London has had 19 billion spent just on the cross rail project . London has also added two more underground stations. It is financial discrimination.
But this is not the full truth. The line will not go right into Machester or Birmingham.
There is a story about how the consultant and engineering companies. Increasing their income. When one job in a company is running down, some of the teams would be transferred to HS2 and other large projects. The line will not benefit the Northeast at all.
Manchester and Leeds are in the North, not the Northeast. Oh, I forgot, the northeast is not important for London and Manchester.
@@robertdavies8305 HS2 completion is important for the North, so that the Liverpool , Manchester, Leeds to Hull is improved along the overloaded trans pennine route, by upgrading. Millions of people are affected by this proposed development. The North East is of course important also, and should receive monies to improve the East Coast line. London has had billions spent on cross rail and also the addition of two underground twice their original budgets (38 billion).
Yes lets ask Londoners if the north needs railways. I am guessing these guys will find other ways to spend 100 billion "where its needed" down south.
Can I say, it is so frustrating to see panellists who haven’t done their homework on the costs of engineering projects. HS2 was costed initially as just one stretch of high speed line, additional legs added later, and the cost of rolling stock to be bought and used on the line. The costs of HS2 thus include pretty much everything associated with the cost of a full engineering project, unlike some like those quoted (TGV for example is the high speed train, the railway they run on were upgraded in stages later on and were not built originally as high speed lines, unlike the Japanese Shinkansen routes, which are much closer to HS2s model). We are also NOT bad at infrastructure projects, we are bad at following through as a country. HS2 is still cheap in the grand scheme of building big infrastructure over a long period of time (even if it was 110 billion for a twenty year build programme, that’s 5.5 billion is a year which is 18 times less than our annual NHS budget). Your StopHS2 chap, Joe Ruskin, has been debunked time and time and time again on his outlandish claims on the project. HS2 has had scrutiny at every stage of its development from engineers to risk management to financial and the national audit office. The costs of the project keep going up due to inflation, material costs, fuel and more, just as the cost of running the NHS and other parts of our society have gone up in cost. Besides which - HS2 has been, and always will be, about capacity to run trains. Segregating high speed trains from our mixed traffic railways provides more capacity to run trains of both high speed and slower types. Call me biased, but I am a rail engineer and very weary with all of the misinformation put out there about HS2.
Trains run on tracks.
Can you answer to me why my area the north east will be left out yet again and the whole of the north
Or why didn't they start it in north as well
They can't because all they care about is London and the south.
They never talk about 80% of trains in the south being electrified and only 15% in the north.
Or why the south and London gets the largest chunk of the pie of infrastructure investment for decades and decades.
Or what they will do for transport infrastructure in the north between towns that don't even have any bus services once all the money government has had gone into the HS2 money pit.
Towns like mine in the north have been under invested in for decades which has left it in the top third of most deprived towns. All the jobs are manual minimum wage jobs. There's often no buses services from one side of town to the other.
They think all this will be solved by building one high speed line from Manchester to Birmingham to London.
They dint understand London is the problem. We need local solutions not something grand to get us to the capital half an hour quicker. We need local buses as an alternative to our cars. We need to reopen up our branch lines that were cut during Beeching because many of us have to drive twenty miles in our cars to get to the nearest functioning train station and then all that one does is supply trains that go to the next town 30 miles down the track.
When you live in an area with transpennine rail running the show you soon realise that HS2 is not the norths transport problem solution. You need local schemes that exclude London. You need to make local connectivity better first.
HS2 is a southern solution to a northern problem. Then once all the money is gone on the ever ballooning cost of HS2 there will be nothing left to do things like a tram system in Leeds because it's the largest city in Europe with no mass transport infrastructure.
Hs2 to people who live in poorly connected northern towns is like trying to run before we can walk.
I think that's a good analogy many people of the north outside of the cities will agree with.
People in places such as London with good public transport think everywhere is like where they live. The truth is very different. Where my grandparents lived on the edge of town there was three buses per day, last one at 12 lunch, the government paid subsidies to the private bus company to help fund these type of services that otherwise would be seen as not profitable enough. But in a round of government spending cuts those subsidies were stopped. So the bus company stopped the services leaving my grandparents housebound. They couldn't even get to the high street to go food shopping.
This wasn't in the sticks, it is in a town of 90k people!
Then we are told off for going to work to do our manual jobs at 5.30am in our petrol cars when there's no buses, no trains, no underground, no trams and where the streets are dark and poorly lit and it would be a four mile walk in each direction.
They live in a city bubble with zero idea of reality outside. Only those people think it's ok to blow all our money on one big project whilst slashing the network rail money for electrication of existing trains in the north leaving 85% of them diesel.
HS2 was always a southern solution to a northern problem because they don't understand what the problem is to start with, they don't come up with the correct solution which is better local public transport to get us from one side of town to the other or to the next town without having to use our cars. This is called learning to walk before we learn to run.
The main problem is, if you carried on with HS2 then it would suck up so much cash that such as northern powerhouse rail would never go ahead and there's many places here in the north, small towns which are deprived, left behind communities with no good jobs and poor local public transport and HS2 doesn't solve any of it because it doesn't come anywhere near the town.
Our country is an absolute embarrassment - I was reading an article a few days ago where it compared the cost of similar projects in Europe. The projects were of comparable complexity and length in miles covered…..even the most expensive came in at around £35 billion. A cost of over £100 billion for an incomplete project is a joke and shows how bad we are at building infrastructure projects.
Thats because we are ruled by crooks and everything is corrupt.
I’d agree if we weren’t in a cost of living crisis
FIX THE ROADS BEFORE THE TRAINS WHY IS MY CAR GOT TO BE ROAD WORTHY BUT ROADS DONT HAVE TO BE CAR WORTHY
Trains are more important then cars they carry alot of people and you don't have to deal with idiot drivers
WHAT EVER !!!!!
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Why did the blimp fall out of fashion? I'd love it if they came back, then we wouldn't need HS2.
Scrap it now
MOVE THE BUSSINESS UP NORTH PUT PARLIMENT IN THE NORTH WOULD HELP
Get you banned would help
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