I attended your session at LUMS and asked the final question. I also mentioned that I had traveled 300 kilometers to be there. It was an excellent session, and I gained a lot from it. Please continue organizing sessions like these.
Nice, i am following you, plz have a discussion with shehzad salim saheb, he is also a member of ghamdi group, he has written books, his thesis on preservation of Qur'an is an excellent thesis. Do a program in English plz.
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To understand Ghamdi, first we need to be out of all kind of prejudices. No luv for Imran khan or Nawaz…I believe that Ghamdi is this century No. 1 Islamic scholar.
I disagree with your comment, "no lov for Imran Khan or Nawaz Sharif". I have heard Ghamidi Saheb criticizing Imran Khan many times but never heard a word against Nawaz Sharif or Zardari. Why?
Where people do not even have basic knowledge of religion, it is easy to mislead people. That's why you gave him the title of best scholar. Because if you've been sit with true Ulma then you will never say this. And as an individual we don't work hard to learn deen as we do with our degrees, and we need deen only on TH-cam so this comfort is keeping us Far from real deen and real people.
عمدہ تعارف اور گفتگو۔اللہ غامدی صاحب اور اپ دونو ں کو لمبی اور صحت مند زندگی کے ساتھ ہمارے درمیان رکھیں تاکہ اپ دونوں جہالت کے خلاف لمبی عمر تک جہاد کریں
Hes not only a guide for Pakistan hes also a lighthouse for many Indians who don't know about islam too much & they get trapped in mullas haram halal concept.
Ghamdi sahib Meezan and short version Al Islam is a master piece. Entire deen is wel explained and easy to understand. His message is spreading with an unprecedented pace, and no one can stop it. This is the issue with most of the so called islamic scholars.
According to Ghamdi sb, there are two independent sources of islam : 1- Quran ( in the form of text) 2- Sunnat ( in the form of practice) Further, he said that "hadees o rawayaat" is not an independent source of islam. He makes , and various scholars from past, also make clear distinction between Sunnat and Hadees.
@@rumz345 Ok. Stick with what you just said and prove 5 timings of Salah from the Quran. When we are supposed to perform Fajar, Zuhur, Asar, Maghrib and Isha. If Sunnah is the practical of the Quran then the Quran must have quoted the timings of each Salah somewhere.
@@HamzaKhan_HK i don’t get your point bro Quran orders you to pray namaz and Prophet pbuh by his sunnah told us and timings are also in hadith as ordained in quran
@@HamzaKhan_HK that is where you have gotten it wrong. The timings and methods of salah (like other sunnah) has been mass transmitted from one generation to another generation. Now you may ask why is there difference of opinion in these matters if it was mass transmitted. So, the answer of this is actually not easy to be explained in just a comment. Ghamidi sahab himself has addressed these questions on multiple occasions. You can easily find his responses on TH-cam or in his writings. You are free to disagree with his opinions but it would be very good if you first atleast try to understand what he says as how he says.
Thank you for this enlightening summary. Those who use their mind, heart and soul understand the religion well, while the rest simply mould it according to their own whims and suffocate others. Ghamidi sahab, Hasan Ilyas sahab and Nouman Ali Khan are the best scholars of this generation. May they and you live a long, healthy, content and happy life. Amen
❤❤بہت خوب بہت خوب میں اپ کا نام تو نہیں جانتا لیکن میں اپ کی اس کاوش کو بہت سراہتا ہوں کسی بھی معاشرے میں تبدیلی فرد لے کے اتا ہے اور فرد کی تبدیلی سوچ کی تبدیلی پر منحصر ہے اور پاکستان کی اکثریت کی سوچ دھکیانوسی ہے اور اپ سوشل میڈیا کے پلیٹ فارم سے اس تبدیلی کو لانے کی کوشش کر رہے ہیں اس کوشش کو جاری رکھیں اپ نے نہایت اسان زبان میں غامدی صاحب کے افکار کو بیان کیا ہے جو کہ قابل تحسین ہے ❤❤
As a shia I have viewed Ghamadi Sahab with certain biases but after learning his reformists views, especially the ones on the separation of state and religion, I am quite impressed.
Ghamdi sahib is.a great scholar and you have fully assimilated and presented his understanding of Islam. I totally agree with Ghamdi sahib. Ghamdi sahib and Maulana Waheed ud din are two erudite intellectuals.
Taimur, you are great. In fact YOU are my guide from orthodoxy to modernity. BTW I do not call it modernity, I call it reality. I respect Ghamidi sb for his very realistic ideas about Islam. He is my guide to Islamic matters as compared to Dr Israr and Molana tariq jameel and other ulemas. I also respect molana Ishaq in religious matters. But of course ghamidi is my main guide...... I also love to watch your videos on history and philosphy. I am happy enlightened people like you live in Pakistan. Thanks for being what you are.
Mashaallah Taimur Sahib! I salute to your courage and determination. You’re really doing the right jihad. To bring the awareness to the people who are living in confusion and ignorance is the real jihad. I pray for your success and safety!
"Only God or the Prophet PBUH have the right to say that someone is a non-Muslim". Really. So there must be another super power that has informed us, the public, about this fact.
I am actually contextual Muslim and value core teachings of islam,we should see Muhammad ambitions which are actually compatible for humanity, but still today humanity view is subjective and there is facing problem about permission of particular thing having positive and negative impacts 😅
Like people say gay right are compatible for humanity but some say gays people are challenging traditional marriage procedure and society structure,I am surprised how Muhammad would deal with such people,but I still know Muhammad had great emotional intelligence,he would not be hateful but want to care about that people although if disagree about LGBTQ, Yeah that's conclusion if actually Muhammad teaching, using teaching not to create hate and dominance of own but for welfare of all people, because humanity is complex,I am impressive to philosophical teaching of islam like mutazille
Ghamdi Sb can be termed the reformer of Islam in the present century. His lecture on the topic " The Reconstructed Religious Thought of Islam" on TH-cam negates many myths prevailing in orthodox Mullahism.
I havn't seen any other Islamic scholar closer to Ghamdi sahib. I feel so lucky as I hv been following him for years ❤❤❤ and ofcourse you Dr, Taimur Rehman also❤❤❤❤❤❤
Very appreciable..a good snapshot of sir Ghamidi's religious phliosophy with a short comparative description of western religious thought and its evolution .
I simply admire your effort and effectiveness while spreading and explaining the Ghamidi sahib vision on deen e islam. Only one thing i would like to express is that Ghamidi sahib, on many occasions, strictly expressed his viewpoint on "ism" he is against any sort of isms yet alone he or his team promotes Ghamidism. He time and again expressed that none can be permanent or indispensable. Thank you Great piece of work as always. I am one of your regular followers. God bless you.❤
Acknowledgment of a great scholar of our time The Ghamdi Sahib by another highly knowledgeable scholar like Taimur gives a boost to both in scholarly circles and bring teachings of Ghamdi to mainstreams. I think it is high time that we understand the Islam as Allah and Holy Prophet intended and not through the eyes of historians and scholars of early era of Islam for their era. Humanity has progressed massively in last two centuries. Muslims needs to revisit lot of new era phenomenon in every walk of life if they ever have a chance to stay in any meaningful competition in the world society. Without this intellectual evolution we risk getting extinct. We need people like you to show us light and enlighten us.
So if in this evolutionary process we discover that Islam was only a man made attempt at organizing society and is now obsolete would you be able to accept it?
I listen to Ghamdi,even though I am an staunch atheist . He is a thoughtful religious scholar and educated one Prof.Dr Nasir Fazal gold medalist Cambridge.
Excellent Analysis! I have never found Ghamidi sb. to be irrational. His views are well researched with references. The orthodox thinking also declared flying in airplane and loudspeaker haram! Time will come when they will understand the true meaning and interpretation of Islam.
Allah aap se ye nahi puchega ki aap ne logo ke greatest scholar ko follow kiya....balke puchega ki kya aap ne sahi scholar ko follow kiya...yad rakhiye jab bhi koi deen ka muslih dai uta loog hamesha uski muqalifat karte rehe aur yehi haal nabi aur rasoolo ke waqht bhi hua..
It is always good to keep an open dialogue and respectful opinion. Debating and understanding the other side goes a long way to under the opposite views.
@@SalmanMalik-kt7co sood halal Parda nahi Dari nahi Movies songs halal Bus Bina Kisi mehnat k seedha jannat.. Khuda pe yaqeen rakhnay wala sub jannati koi hindo ho esai ya yahodi ya qadyani doesn't matter sub jannat me jaingay ...q k wo Khuda pe yaqeen rakhtay he
@@SalmanMalik-kt7co hadiths ka inkaar ya shukook o shubhaat Sunnat ki koi ehmiat nahi ......Jo baat aor ebadat Karna mushkil ho uska inkaar ....aray Bhai Islam kia he phir ...
I have a question about Jihad, that it's a matter of state but the state is neither Muslim nor Non-Muslim then what about the Jihad, while the authority is given to the state. What if there is Non-Muslim Govt and it declares war. Is the Jihad still valid even if it's started by the Non-Muslim govt. For example, a Muslim person is fighting for a Non-Muslim govt e.g. a Ukrainian Muslim is fighting for his state, whether it will be considered a jihad? If there is any problem in understanding the question, I am open to share my personal contact so that we can discuss it in detail.
The best thing I liked about this explanation was u didn't distorted a single fact and said what ghamdi sahb said about all these points. I don't know why people label u with different names but u always talk sense and never claimed yourself as atheist or agnostic. Keep up the good work❤.
خوش آئند بات یہ ہے کہ اللہ کے فضل کرم سے ہماری مذہبی فصیلوں میں وہ دروازے بننے شروع ہوگئے ہیں جو اندھی تقلید کے بجائے سوال کرنے، دلیل کو پرکھنے، سمجھنے اور اسپر عمل کرنے کو گناہ نہیں سمجھتے ۔ ہر دور میں آرتھوڈوکس مذہبیت سوچ پر تکفیر کا الزام لگا کر اسے بس اپنے پیرو بناتی رہی ہے اور آج بھی یہی کوشش جاری ہے۔ پاکستان میں تعصب سے اوپر اٹھ کر ایسے برج کو پار کرنا ایک بڑی جرت کا کام ہے۔ اللہ غامدی صاحب کے کام میں برکت ڈالے۔ اور فتنہ و فساد پھیلانے والوں سے ہمارے ملک کو بھی امان میں رکھے اور استاد محترم کو بھی۔ آمین۔
Please note the significant religious discord regarding Sufism, which is seen by Ghamidi sb as a parallel religion to Islam. This has fueled the animosity of Barelvi and Deoband scholars towards Ghamdi Sahab. Both of these schools of thought have foundations in Sufism, tracing their lineage to Shah Waliullah and further back through centuries of Sufi tradition. As a result, followers of Sufism find it very painful when their beliefs are criticized.
This is a brief critique of Ghamidi’s(and Hassan Ilyas's) mode of operation and intellectual contributions(It's not a critique of his worldview and general inclinations). I’d like to clarify that I, previously, have been admirer of Ghamidi; I have read all his books and watched all his videos. I also believe that the work he is doing-none of which is entirely original, as he primarily translates and builds upon the scholarly contributions of his mentors from the Farahi School-is extremely valuable in countering the irrational and extremist agendas that are prevalent in our society. I would also like to note that I consider myself a "liberal-minded"(for the lack of better term) Muslim, with a deep respect for Islamic values, such as family roles, gender norms, and the cultural ethics shaped by Islam’s socio-political landscape. 1. While Ghamidi (sahib) is an intelligent and well-read, it’s difficult to assert that he is a fully authentic, objective, and unbiased researcher. Much of his perspective is utilitarian; his analysis often seems influenced by the outcomes he aims to achieve. Frequently, he commits equivocal fallacies to arrive at these pre-determined conclusions. 2. Ghamidi (sahib) doesn’t seem to recognize that producing a balanced conclusion is not necessarily the mark of true research. For instance, if a multiple-choice question has options A or B, an honest researcher would aim to identify the correct answer. However, someone overly focused on "balance" might conclude, incorrectly, that the answer is A+B/2. True balance should lie in conducting an unbiased, multi-dimensional analysis-not in the conclusion itself. The appeal of Ghamidi’s work, in part, comes from its seemingly balanced nature, but balance in the outcome doesn’t necessarily equate to intellectual rigor. 3. Ghamidi’s analysis contains inherent contradictions. Without delving too deeply, I’ll highlight one example (probably not the best example, but I hope It conveys the meaning): according to Ghamidi, there is no concept of an Islamic state. However, he simultaneously argues that only the state has the authority to declare jihad. like seriously? 4. Ghamidi’s understanding of science is notably limited. While he seems to have dabbled in scientific literature, his reading appears low-resolution and restricted. Though his philosophical arguments in favor of religion and against atheism are often strong, his references to science are unfortunately weak, misleading, and sometimes inaccurate. In all fairness, Ghamidi (sahib) falls into the category of religious apologetics, a role that exists within every religious tradition. He is performing that role nicely enough, I just wanted to point to the lack of academic rigor and objectiveness that goes along. The lack of originality, coupled with an absence of unbiased, rigorous research, makes his work exceedingly predictable. It's almost an "ism" in itself-much like activists in various ideologies, he fails to synthesize personal experience with what he's read and researched. Instead of creating something genuine, surprising, and narratively engaging, his approach feels formulaic and outcomes extremely predictable.
Brother Sajid Ali, you produced a brilliant article. Your point#1 is highly appreciable. Point#2 depicts some confusions that might be reconsidered. Point#3 provides an example that highlights the fact how an incomplete information about something can sometimes harm an excellent analysis. The statement "there is no concept of an Islamic state" merely means that Islamic sources (the Quran and Sunnah) have nowhere obliged believers to establish a state called an Islamic State. This does not mean that Muslims living in majority in some region cannot establish a state. In case they do, they would have to follow the Quranic instructions addressed directly to them, one of which is to declare Jehad, @Taimur sb highlighted. Thus, the example as you mentioned that it might not be a good one to explain your claim. I think that the example is extremely good to explain what actually you wanted to; however not understanding the actual narrative by someone can result in concluding it into "inherent contradictions". Point#4 mentions Ghamidi's limited understanding of science. Despite I heard Ghamidi sahib himself several times saying the same thing that he's just a basic student of science, I found him otherwise having a deep understanding of it.
I appreciate your insights, this is quite evident from his approach to various topics and interpretations. Most of all, the 'religious apologetic' attitude is quite noticeable. Thanks for your comment.
ur point 3 is inherently flawed and i believe u need to put rigorous effort in not being contradictory. When ghamidi says concept of islamic political state doesn’t exist it doesn’t mean that it would be haram or sinful to do so. If any islamic political state does form and declares jihad(war) against a country just like if ww3 happens it would be ITS RIGHTFUL RIGHT TO DO SO Now my question to u is was it hard to understand or is it a u problem
He is a self made scholar. As per gamadi: 1. Music is not haram in Islam. 2. There is no concept of pardah in Islam. 3. There is no return of Hazrat esa(r.a) 4. If state has no religion, that means we should accept secularism. 5. Intrest is not haram in Islam.
@nvherman257 may be u are true. But for a true Muslim, he has to follow Quran and Hadith regardless of ideology of any person. So hold firmly Quran and Hadith which is the teaching of sahaba.
@@pooshmati yes but also use human intellect in it like slavery is end it doesn't mean you have to force slavery I. Order bring back Quran words we need interpretation in sense of human intellect of 21 century otherwise mullah will rule and push us in stone age and create failed Muslims nation like Pakistan Palestine Afghanistan Iran
bhai ghamidi sahb bas west ko dekh kar apna kaam ki ayat utha leta aur baki sab chor deta. un ko bhi pata ha k taimoor bhai jesa logon na kabhi quran nahi prhna
I am still confused about a few points and i would really appreciate if someone can explain 1 - if state has no religion , how can state (which cannot be islamic ) wade jihad, which is an islamic concept ? how can a non-religious state have this authority to carry out this definitely religious idea? 2 - regarding takfir : if someone states that they are muslim but carry out actions which clearly contradicts islamic principles , who has the authority to contradict them ? and if they cannot be contradicted , how can we propagate islam to non muslims ? or how can Muslims clarify that actions of violence by non-state actors is actually not islamic , as they claim to be as much muslim as peaceful ones
1 .... I was gonna put up the same question but good that you asked ..... and you'll never get an answer ........ Their speeches are full of self-contradiction ....... only those, who actually wanted to limit whole Islam into confinement, do like their speeches. ..... Sad so sad ......
I respect the Ghamdi sahab very much, but i have to say that Ghamdi sahab has no knowledge about political Islam. Islam is the main source of genuine politics.
The West suffered through the same dilemma of Religion controlling the State three decades ago. Thanks to the scholars of the 14th century, they broke away the State from the chains of religion and got set on the road to progress. However, we are still struggling with this dilemma, and it requires a significant effort not only on the part of present-day Islamic reformers like Ghamdi Sahib but also the general public to change their mindset by rejecting centuries-old myths.
Ghamidi sahib is not a bridge between orthodoxy and modernity but rather a presenter of the true face of Islam, that's why is hated upon by both the extremes
We cannot be blind because we have our own consciousness and there are no restrictions on seeking knowledge. The very first word of the Holy Quran is "Iqra" it means "to read" . So keeping"Iqra" in view I read different tafaseers of the Holy Quran as the first one "Tafseer-ibni- Kaseer" "Bayan-ul-Quran" and "Tafheem-ul-Quran" so far. So I can distinguish what is right and what is wrong through my knowledge.
It's a real treat. You've beautifully summed up the gems uttered by Javed Ahmed Ghamdi. Only a nation saturated by ignorance and bigotry can force an intellectual like Ghamdi to take his abode to another country. Most civilised countries would give an arm and leg to have someone of Ghamdi's calibre amongst them.
An excellent salvo! Pithy encapsulation of a deep intellectual tradition, important as it is, however comes at the expense of nuance. It is nonetheless a great pointer to those who would choose to study the Farahi thought and Janab Ghamidi’s sterling contribution to the development of that thought. Indoctrinated with what you describe as dogma and habituated to terms that ease reception of apparently new ideas, it is easy to describe Ghamidi sahab’s thought as radical. It isn’t. And this is the most outstanding feature of his scholarship. While standing firmly within the parameters of scripture, he has forensically exposed the errors, fallacies and fancies that have grown over the centuries around the core normative values of religion. Feeding such invented fan fiction at the threat of eternal damnation has ensured perpetuation of clerical authority so much so that it is well nigh impossible for most to shed their respective confirmation biases. The parallels you have cited were the forerunners to the Reformation - there were quite a few others as well. The key difference is that these were attempted push backs to the growing oppressiveness - of thought and action - of the Catholic Church. Emphasis on ‘sola scriptura’ might give that impression of a parallel. However, in the Farahi school it is how that scripture unfolds over time and space to irrigate the landscape and the depths of human imagination and conduct. When that begins to happen, the vanity and pettiness of our conflicts, angers, accusations, frustrations, persecutions, agitations and false egos recedes into oblivion.
A candid analysis. Thank you. Why you did not ask Ghamdi sahb to provide his view (in an interview/discussion) about this parallels? No doubt he is a great mind of modern times. We should benefit from him.
Dear Taimur sir, Loved your lectures on ‘ A history of philosophy” intended for lums course. Somehow, a channel have posted those lectures but they limited to William of okham. Can you please share other videos after that. I really do want to complete that.
I watched this video from a critical mindset because the words like "Modernism" etc have caused more damage to Ghamidi sahab's teaching, who himself has never claimed to be a modernist or as someone presenting modern interpretation of Islam. However, I found the video to be very good. Taimur sahab has very nicely summarized the points where Ghamidi sahab's opnion differ with our traditional scholars. And moreover, I felt the word "modernity" was used basically to draw parallel with past history. It was not used to imply that Ghamidi sahab is a "modernist". A word that our orthodoxy uses for him unfortunately in a negative sense. Job well done Taimur sahab 😊
This for second time I listen to you. First time I heard you lecturing on the history of philosophy. Interestingly, I am a student of Philosophy so I enjoyedyour those lectures. And even more intrestingly, I have been a student of Ghamdi Sab, in Civil Service Academy, Walton Lahore so I enjoyed your this lecture too. Where I admire Ghamdi Sab there I do not go along with him on many issues. The recent one, when a pig heart was transplaned in a human, the first response of Ghamdi sab was that it was haram/ not allowed in Islam. I immediately commented that to save human life everything is allowed. Am glad after few days he reviewed his position. On the five topics you mentioned there is lot of room to differ with him. A faith is not suspended in the air, it reflects in people, who follow it. Hence the religion too is known through it followers. For instance India is a Hindu country and Pakistan a Muslim. A mere land without people is no country. Antarctica though a land but no country. If in future a majority Christians settle there it will be a christian country and both pork and wime will be legal served there. Allah has given laws parallal to human made laws. If a country is implementing those laws in their system that will be an Islamic country. No other religion has that comprehensive laws and that is why the Islamic state is debatable. Ghamdi Sab is trying to improve the packing of Islam to making it more acceptable, hence he is giving different explanations. In some cases he sounds correct but not all the time. Islam is giving a comprehensive way of life and any state following those laws will be an Islamic State. So how he can say a state has no religion. Any state implments human made laws will be a secular state.
Thank you for this, Dr Taimur! Here're my two cents: Islam has a rich history of holding a diversity of opinions, interpretations and arguements that can simultaneously be in service of truth and social good. One doesn't have to like or dislike Ghamidi Sb to accept that his explanations and interpretations have as much right to exist as others. And so the way to engage with Ghamidi Sb's work will not be through ridicule, or demeaning him, but with reflection, reasoning and thought. To operate from a place of intellectual courage, humility, clarity and openness and not let our personal prejudices about a certain person or their 'sect/background' ever discount the merit of their arguments :)
Ghamidi Saab is the most sensible , balanced and refined scholar I have ever seen in Pakistan. He is definitely a gift of Almighty in subcontinent. Shame on all the sects, wild TLP and cringe mullahs for all their bullshit spread in the society
Very thoughtful lecture I want to add something that in medieval times Christian saints like saint Aquinos, st Augustine ne Greek and Roman mythology ko itna detail s parha tha that they Christianized Plato and Aristotle ar hmare alim ye hi ni decide kar pare k hum musalnon m kafir kis ko ni kehna. If they have common sense ye sawal to marne k bad pucha jata which religion you belong and saza jaza decide hoti but....
Good presentation. Valuable insights from the history. I have a different perspective. History should be used to learn and break the shackles of history. We, however, use history to justify the present. What I call Prisoners of History. Ghamidi sahib generally has the right approach. I read and listen to him regularly. However, I do have few difficulties in understanding his thoughts on how to achieve the goals of what he profess to be the true essence of Islam. Purpose of Islam is to achieve salvation in Hereafter, according to JAG. But the road goes through this life. The real issue is how to lead a life of purity, or tazkiya, without focusing on the community at large. Individually I might be doing everything right, but the society, which constitutes a country or state, has be governed by similar values and principles, or there will be huge conflict, like the one we see today. How to bridge this gap is the missing part.
غامدی صاحب بہت نیک نیت انسان ہیں۔ کسی کو بھی اُن سے اختلاف ہو سکتا ہے لیکن انہوں نے جیسے دین کو سمجھا اپنی نیک نیتی سے لوگوں تک پہنچا دیا۔۔ باقی یہ کی ہر انسان خطا کا پُتلا ہے ۔ اللہ ہمیں معاف کرنے والا ہے
As an agnostic mai bhot zada respect krti hu inki jo b ho religion sahi na b ho ya ink views religion sy different ho b tab b ye Pakistan ka faida kr rahy hain extremism ko kam kr k
Ghamdi Sahib argues that Islam lacks a distinct political and economic system, which I find questionable. A functioning society inherently requires political and economic frameworks, so how did Muslims manage to absorb two major empires without them? Ghamdi Sahib also asserts that the state should not have a religion, yet this perspective overlooks the complex dynamics of belief systems; humans have biases, as evidenced in Western societies where democracies often prioritize their own civilization. I propose that while Islam's political and economic systems may not align with modern structures, they can be updated through ijtihad (independent reasoning) and consensus to address contemporary needs.
I don’t know if people have read his writings or watched his videos, but he explained all this in detail. His definition of Islam is straightforward, and I’m not sure why some people find it complex. Islam came to prepare us for what will happen to us in the afterlife (Aakhirat). The 'two major empires' adopted the frameworks of other empires that existed at that time. The Umayyad and Abbasid empires, for example, were monarchies, like most other empires around the world. In Western societies, an Asian or African Muslim can be elected as a state premier. In our more radicalized societies, this is not the case.
@@minhajdesigns I agree with you that Islam indeed prepares us for the Hereafter, but we must also manage this world in accordance with contemporary needs. Islam historically included a political structure, such as the roles of Caliph, governors, and an economic system with elements resembling the labor theory of value. You mentioned monarchies but didn’t address the Caliphate system, where the Caliph was selected through a form of election. Even in monarchies, such as the Ottoman Empire, non-Arab rulers held power, demonstrating some flexibility. In Western societies, the election of people of color often comes with expectations that they represent specific cultural interests. Even when they do, they may still face prejudice, as seen in the approval ratings of figures like Rishi Sunak. Western societies are still in progress, and so are ours. For our societies, we need to establish systems that fit our cultural context rather than adopting foreign changes that may trigger negative reactions.
غامدی صاحب جہاں سے اپنا مسلک لیتے ہیں اس پہلے وہ لوگ مجدد ہونے چاہئے تھے ان کے نام کے آگے علامہ شیخ الاسلام ہونا چاہیے تھا لیکن آج ساری امت ان کو گمراہ کہتی ھے۔
بہت اچھا سمرائز کیا ہے آپ نیں غامدی صاحب کو۔ میں غامدی صاحب کو بہت عرصے سے سن رہا ہوں اور انکے بہت سارے ویوز کا قائل بھی ہوں۔ مسئلہ صرف ایک ہے کہ جب وہ پولیٹیکل اسلام پر بولتے ہیں تو ویسٹرن پاورز کے آگے اتنا زیادہ سرنڈر کر دیتے ہیں اور مسلمانوں کو اتنا مورالی ڈاون کر دیتے ہیں کہ کبھی کبھی لگتا ہے کہ وہ جان بوجھ کر ایسا کر رہے ہیں۔ میں خدانخواستہ ان پر کوئ الزام نہیں لگا رہا لیکن کچھ تو توازن رکھنا چاہیے۔
I attended your session at LUMS and asked the final question. I also mentioned that I had traveled 300 kilometers to be there. It was an excellent session, and I gained a lot from it. Please continue organizing sessions like these.
Nice, i am following you, plz have a discussion with shehzad salim saheb, he is also a member of ghamdi group, he has written books, his thesis on preservation of Qur'an is an excellent thesis. Do a program in English plz.
2 Things That Was Most Suited For South Asia - Ixlam (For Unity) & Communism (For Poors)
But See,
We Misunderstood Ixlam, Used It As A Political Tool For Personal Gain.
Similarly, Our Communist Leaders Misunderstood Communism & Used It As Religion.
We Wasted 2 Wonderful Philosophies Of The World.😢
Bandar Ke Hath Me Coconut.😢 DNA Me Hi Problem Hai.👍
Such a Stupidf Thing You Did ,by Wasting your Time, Money and Attention !
You Could have Travel 300 Kilometers with Friends On a Trip And Dance There
You should drank beer and watched pawn instead.
@@VictimHood-qv1hx ok Miss Victim Hood ! Now I Must Say, that What He Did is Faaar Better and good Than What You are Advising him ideas To Do !
The bridge between "orthodoxy and modernity", what a meaningful thumbnail and Excellent analysis. ❤
yes he asked for non Muslims to be driven out of arabia
Jabse ustaz ghamidi ko sunna start keya ha lagta ha asal me to ab ilm ka safar start hua ha❤
sach kaha aapne
To understand Ghamdi, first we need to be out of all kind of prejudices. No luv for Imran khan or Nawaz…I believe that Ghamdi is this century No. 1 Islamic scholar.
Plz read hafiz Muhammad zubair and watch mukalama
I disagree with your comment, "no lov for Imran Khan or Nawaz Sharif". I have heard Ghamidi Saheb criticizing Imran Khan many times but never heard a word against Nawaz Sharif or Zardari. Why?
Ghazmdi sb is against political Islam and Imran khan, Nawaz Sharif, Asif zardari are politicians so your answer is irrelevant
@@azhariqbal1390 Maybe because Ghamidi sb was one of the founding members of PTI and he got great disappointment in it. Maybee...
Where people do not even have basic knowledge of religion, it is easy to mislead people.
That's why you gave him the title of best scholar. Because if you've been sit with true Ulma then you will never say this.
And as an individual we don't work hard to learn deen as we do with our degrees, and we need deen only on TH-cam so this comfort is keeping us Far from real deen and real people.
عمدہ تعارف اور گفتگو۔اللہ غامدی صاحب اور اپ دونو ں کو لمبی اور صحت مند زندگی کے ساتھ ہمارے درمیان رکھیں تاکہ اپ دونوں جہالت کے خلاف لمبی عمر تک جہاد کریں
Hes not only a guide for Pakistan hes also a lighthouse for many Indians who don't know about islam too much & they get trapped in mullas haram halal concept.
No one can reach the wisdom of Ghamidi sahb in the current era. This man is a gem
He's Dellusional.
Ghamidi is the GOAT of all scholars!
Tb bhi rehy ga janwar
Ghamidi sahab is the genius man of this era
MashaaAllah great explanation Dr. Sahb. In fact, Ghamdi Sahb is a blessing. Great respect for him
Ghamdi sahib Meezan and short version Al Islam is a master piece. Entire deen is wel explained and easy to understand. His message is spreading with an unprecedented pace, and no one can stop it. This is the issue with most of the so called islamic scholars.
According to Ghamdi sb, there are two independent sources of islam :
1- Quran ( in the form of text)
2- Sunnat ( in the form of practice)
Further, he said that "hadees o rawayaat" is not an independent source of islam. He makes , and various scholars from past, also make clear distinction between Sunnat and Hadees.
In the 21st century, how can one differentiate between Sunnah and Hadith?
Just asking.
@@HamzaKhan_HKsunnah is practical practice of whatever Quran says
Hadith is literal word/advice as easy as that
@@rumz345 Ok. Stick with what you just said and prove 5 timings of Salah from the Quran. When we are supposed to perform Fajar, Zuhur, Asar, Maghrib and Isha.
If Sunnah is the practical of the Quran then the Quran must have quoted the timings of each Salah somewhere.
@@HamzaKhan_HK i don’t get your point bro Quran orders you to pray namaz and Prophet pbuh by his sunnah told us and timings are also in hadith as ordained in quran
@@HamzaKhan_HK that is where you have gotten it wrong. The timings and methods of salah (like other sunnah) has been mass transmitted from one generation to another generation. Now you may ask why is there difference of opinion in these matters if it was mass transmitted. So, the answer of this is actually not easy to be explained in just a comment. Ghamidi sahab himself has addressed these questions on multiple occasions. You can easily find his responses on TH-cam or in his writings.
You are free to disagree with his opinions but it would be very good if you first atleast try to understand what he says as how he says.
مجھے الحاد سے بچانے والا شخص
الحمد للّہ ❤
کون سی سپیچ سن کر مسلمان ہوے مجھے بھی دکھائیں
Same mujy b..
Ghamidi akhiri line hai naram islam ki uske bad atheism shuru hota hai
@@ilm-taleem-tarbiataplogon islam se ky barey ma itna ilm nahi tha isi liy ghamdi sahab achy lag rhy hain
@@craaazy-bm8se
آپ نے بحث کرنی ہے؟ ابی پتہ چل جاتا ہے کہ آپکو کتنا پتہ ہے۔
I have learned so many important things from Ghamidi Saab. May Allah bless him.
Thank you for this enlightening summary. Those who use their mind, heart and soul understand the religion well, while the rest simply mould it according to their own whims and suffocate others.
Ghamidi sahab, Hasan Ilyas sahab and Nouman Ali Khan are the best scholars of this generation. May they and you live a long, healthy, content and happy life. Amen
Sir thanks a lot for the summary. May Allah be pleased with you for your efforts.Keep enlightening us. Regards
❤❤بہت خوب بہت خوب میں اپ کا نام تو نہیں جانتا لیکن میں اپ کی اس کاوش کو بہت سراہتا ہوں
کسی بھی معاشرے میں تبدیلی فرد لے کے اتا ہے اور فرد کی تبدیلی سوچ کی تبدیلی پر منحصر ہے اور پاکستان کی اکثریت کی سوچ دھکیانوسی ہے اور اپ سوشل میڈیا کے پلیٹ فارم سے اس تبدیلی کو لانے کی کوشش کر رہے ہیں اس کوشش کو جاری رکھیں اپ نے نہایت اسان زبان میں غامدی صاحب کے افکار کو بیان کیا ہے جو کہ قابل تحسین ہے ❤❤
As a shia I have viewed Ghamadi Sahab with certain biases but after learning his reformists views, especially the ones on the separation of state and religion, I am quite impressed.
Ghamdi sahib is.a great scholar and you have fully assimilated and presented his understanding of Islam. I totally agree with Ghamdi sahib. Ghamdi sahib and Maulana Waheed ud din are two erudite intellectuals.
I agree
Taimur SB Ghamidi SB py baat krne py apki jurrat ko salam...ap jaise logo ki hi itni Himmat hai...solute to u
True Depiction and excellent elaboration of our thoughts. I am one of the students of Janae Javed Ahmad Ghamidi.
Excellent analysis thoroughly enjoyed it..Brilliant thanks for sharing it...
Taimur, you are great. In fact YOU are my guide from orthodoxy to modernity. BTW I do not call it modernity, I call it reality. I respect Ghamidi sb for his very realistic ideas about Islam. He is my guide to Islamic matters as compared to Dr Israr and Molana tariq jameel and other ulemas. I also respect molana Ishaq in religious matters. But of course ghamidi is my main guide...... I also love to watch your videos on history and philosphy. I am happy enlightened people like you live in Pakistan. Thanks for being what you are.
Mashaallah Taimur Sahib! I salute to your courage and determination. You’re really doing the right jihad. To bring the awareness to the people who are living in confusion and ignorance is the real jihad. I pray for your success and safety!
Wonderful work Taimur. We all need to talk and think . And be open to challenge our belief systems
Many thanks for this excellent analysis and presentation. May Allah Subhan e Taala accept your effort and grace you with HIS eternal Rahmah. Aameen.
"Only God or the Prophet PBUH have the right to say that someone is a non-Muslim". Really. So there must be another super power that has informed us, the public, about this fact.
Actually there seems problem when Muhammad as political leader as reformer although much impressive,but now today followers are creating disturbance 😅
Actually I think this all misunderstanding due to Muhammad political life not spiritual life
I am actually contextual Muslim and value core teachings of islam,we should see Muhammad ambitions which are actually compatible for humanity, but still today humanity view is subjective and there is facing problem about permission of particular thing having positive and negative impacts 😅
Like people say gay right are compatible for humanity but some say gays people are challenging traditional marriage procedure and society structure,I am surprised how Muhammad would deal with such people,but I still know Muhammad had great emotional intelligence,he would not be hateful but want to care about that people although if disagree about LGBTQ,
Yeah that's conclusion if actually Muhammad teaching, using teaching not to create hate and dominance of own but for welfare of all people, because humanity is complex,I am impressive to philosophical teaching of islam like mutazille
No one is perfect. Sane voices help everyone improve, bring peace! May your efforts bring positive effects. Regards
Javed Ghamidi one of the Muslim greatest thinker and intellectual.
Ghamdi Sb can be termed the reformer of Islam in the present century. His lecture on the topic " The Reconstructed Religious Thought of Islam" on TH-cam negates many myths prevailing in orthodox Mullahism.
I havn't seen any other Islamic scholar closer to Ghamdi sahib. I feel so lucky as I hv been following him for years ❤❤❤ and ofcourse you Dr, Taimur Rehman also❤❤❤❤❤❤
Very appreciable..a good snapshot of sir Ghamidi's religious phliosophy with a short comparative description of western religious thought and its evolution .
I simply admire your effort and effectiveness while spreading and explaining the Ghamidi sahib vision on deen e islam.
Only one thing i would like to express is that Ghamidi sahib, on many occasions, strictly expressed his viewpoint on "ism" he is against any sort of isms yet alone he or his team promotes Ghamidism.
He time and again expressed that none can be permanent or indispensable. Thank you
Great piece of work as always. I am one of your regular followers.
God bless you.❤
Acknowledgment of a great scholar of our time The Ghamdi Sahib by another highly knowledgeable scholar like Taimur gives a boost to both in scholarly circles and bring teachings of Ghamdi to mainstreams. I think it is high time that we understand the Islam as Allah and Holy Prophet intended and not through the eyes of historians and scholars of early era of Islam for their era. Humanity has progressed massively in last two centuries. Muslims needs to revisit lot of new era phenomenon in every walk of life if they ever have a chance to stay in any meaningful competition in the world society. Without this intellectual evolution we risk getting extinct. We need people like you to show us light and enlighten us.
So if in this evolutionary process we discover that Islam was only a man made attempt at organizing society and is now obsolete would you be able to accept it?
I listen to Ghamdi,even though I am an staunch atheist . He is a thoughtful religious scholar and educated one
Prof.Dr Nasir Fazal gold medalist Cambridge.
Ghamdi sahab is one of the greatest scholar of all time.
Excellent Analysis! I have never found Ghamidi sb. to be irrational. His views are well researched with references. The orthodox thinking also declared flying in airplane and loudspeaker haram! Time will come when they will understand the true meaning and interpretation of Islam.
Ghamidi sb is the one who saved me from indulging in bloody atheism.
Deen se itna taaluq ni hy isi liy ghamdi sahab smjh aarhy hain
"Bloody"?
@@Taimur_Laal never thought you would reply, sir! 🫡
The "reconstruction of religious thought in islam" is described well by jenab javid A ghamidi.
Ur analysis is nice one n needed well
He is the greatest scholar in the Islamic world.
I agree 💯
Or Sari islamic world in se bezar hy
Good @@craaazy-bm8se
Allah aap se ye nahi puchega ki aap ne logo ke greatest scholar ko follow kiya....balke puchega ki kya aap ne sahi scholar ko follow kiya...yad rakhiye jab bhi koi deen ka muslih dai uta loog hamesha uski muqalifat karte rehe aur yehi haal nabi aur rasoolo ke waqht bhi hua..
Marvelous, Sir stay blessed
Gainfull and mature analysis that’s what we can expect from Dr Taimur
Thanks
ہم بہت خوش نصیب ہیں کہ ہم دور غامدی میں جی رہے ہیں
kasam se
@@geoschool5533 or khod Gandi dosray mulk may jee rahay hain
تیمور صاحب آپ نے بہت اچھا خلاصہ کیا ہے۔
Thank you dearest Sir Taimur.
Such a beautiful and informative lecture.
Bachon keliy ye hi informative hosakta hy
It is always good to keep an open dialogue and respectful opinion. Debating and understanding the other side goes a long way to under the opposite views.
شکر الحمد للہ غامدی صاحب کی وجہ سے میں شعوری مسلمان ہوں
اپنے ایمان کی فکر کریں ۔۔۔۔اگر عامدی کے نظریات تم پر خاوی ہو۔تو
Me too, Alhamdulillah!
100 %صحیح کہا
@@SalmanMalik-kt7co sood halal
Parda nahi
Dari nahi
Movies songs halal
Bus Bina Kisi mehnat k seedha jannat..
Khuda pe yaqeen rakhnay wala sub jannati koi hindo ho esai ya yahodi ya qadyani doesn't matter sub jannat me jaingay ...q k wo Khuda pe yaqeen rakhtay he
@@SalmanMalik-kt7co hadiths ka inkaar ya shukook o shubhaat
Sunnat ki koi ehmiat nahi ......Jo baat aor ebadat Karna mushkil ho uska inkaar ....aray Bhai Islam kia he phir ...
Those who follow & understand ghamidi sahab will love islam, Allah salaamat rakhey
true
Agreed, but not Andrew Tate types. They like Dawah bros who fight with everyone
I have a question about Jihad, that it's a matter of state but the state is neither Muslim nor Non-Muslim then what about the Jihad, while the authority is given to the state. What if there is Non-Muslim Govt and it declares war. Is the Jihad still valid even if it's started by the Non-Muslim govt. For example, a Muslim person is fighting for a Non-Muslim govt e.g. a Ukrainian Muslim is fighting for his state, whether it will be considered a jihad?
If there is any problem in understanding the question, I am open to share my personal contact so that we can discuss it in detail.
The best thing I liked about this explanation was u didn't distorted a single fact and said what ghamdi sahb said about all these points. I don't know why people label u with different names but u always talk sense and never claimed yourself as atheist or agnostic. Keep up the good work❤.
Hope you All Fine & good. Great point highlighted by Taimur Rehman sahb 😅😅
خوش آئند بات یہ ہے کہ اللہ کے فضل کرم سے ہماری مذہبی فصیلوں میں وہ دروازے بننے شروع ہوگئے ہیں جو اندھی تقلید کے بجائے سوال کرنے، دلیل کو پرکھنے، سمجھنے اور اسپر عمل کرنے کو گناہ نہیں سمجھتے ۔ ہر دور میں آرتھوڈوکس مذہبیت سوچ پر تکفیر کا الزام لگا کر اسے بس اپنے پیرو بناتی رہی ہے اور آج بھی یہی کوشش جاری ہے۔ پاکستان میں تعصب سے اوپر اٹھ کر ایسے برج کو پار کرنا ایک بڑی جرت کا کام ہے۔ اللہ غامدی صاحب کے کام میں برکت ڈالے۔ اور فتنہ و فساد پھیلانے والوں سے ہمارے ملک کو بھی امان میں رکھے اور استاد محترم کو بھی۔ آمین۔
ماشاءاللہ بہت خوبصورت باتیں اللہ سب کو سمجھنے اور عمل کی توفیق دے آمین
Please note the significant religious discord regarding Sufism, which is seen by Ghamidi sb as a parallel religion to Islam. This has fueled the animosity of Barelvi and Deoband scholars towards Ghamdi Sahab. Both of these schools of thought have foundations in Sufism, tracing their lineage to Shah Waliullah and further back through centuries of Sufi tradition. As a result, followers of Sufism find it very painful when their beliefs are criticized.
This is a brief critique of Ghamidi’s(and Hassan Ilyas's) mode of operation and intellectual contributions(It's not a critique of his worldview and general inclinations). I’d like to clarify that I, previously, have been admirer of Ghamidi; I have read all his books and watched all his videos. I also believe that the work he is doing-none of which is entirely original, as he primarily translates and builds upon the scholarly contributions of his mentors from the Farahi School-is extremely valuable in countering the irrational and extremist agendas that are prevalent in our society.
I would also like to note that I consider myself a "liberal-minded"(for the lack of better term) Muslim, with a deep respect for Islamic values, such as family roles, gender norms, and the cultural ethics shaped by Islam’s socio-political landscape.
1. While Ghamidi (sahib) is an intelligent and well-read, it’s difficult to assert that he is a fully authentic, objective, and unbiased researcher. Much of his perspective is utilitarian; his analysis often seems influenced by the outcomes he aims to achieve. Frequently, he commits equivocal fallacies to arrive at these pre-determined conclusions.
2. Ghamidi (sahib) doesn’t seem to recognize that producing a balanced conclusion is not necessarily the mark of true research. For instance, if a multiple-choice question has options A or B, an honest researcher would aim to identify the correct answer. However, someone overly focused on "balance" might conclude, incorrectly, that the answer is A+B/2. True balance should lie in conducting an unbiased, multi-dimensional analysis-not in the conclusion itself. The appeal of Ghamidi’s work, in part, comes from its seemingly balanced nature, but balance in the outcome doesn’t necessarily equate to intellectual rigor.
3. Ghamidi’s analysis contains inherent contradictions. Without delving too deeply, I’ll highlight one example (probably not the best example, but I hope It conveys the meaning): according to Ghamidi, there is no concept of an Islamic state. However, he simultaneously argues that only the state has the authority to declare jihad. like seriously?
4. Ghamidi’s understanding of science is notably limited. While he seems to have dabbled in scientific literature, his reading appears low-resolution and restricted. Though his philosophical arguments in favor of religion and against atheism are often strong, his references to science are unfortunately weak, misleading, and sometimes inaccurate.
In all fairness, Ghamidi (sahib) falls into the category of religious apologetics, a role that exists within every religious tradition. He is performing that role nicely enough, I just wanted to point to the lack of academic rigor and objectiveness that goes along. The lack of originality, coupled with an absence of unbiased, rigorous research, makes his work exceedingly predictable. It's almost an "ism" in itself-much like activists in various ideologies, he fails to synthesize personal experience with what he's read and researched. Instead of creating something genuine, surprising, and narratively engaging, his approach feels formulaic and outcomes extremely predictable.
How can you read all of his books without reading "Tadubur e Quran"
Brother Sajid Ali, you produced a brilliant article.
Your point#1 is highly appreciable.
Point#2 depicts some confusions that might be reconsidered.
Point#3 provides an example that highlights the fact how an incomplete information about something can sometimes harm an excellent analysis. The statement "there is no concept of an Islamic state" merely means that Islamic sources (the Quran and Sunnah) have nowhere obliged believers to establish a state called an Islamic State. This does not mean that Muslims living in majority in some region cannot establish a state. In case they do, they would have to follow the Quranic instructions addressed directly to them, one of which is to declare Jehad, @Taimur sb highlighted. Thus, the example as you mentioned that it might not be a good one to explain your claim. I think that the example is extremely good to explain what actually you wanted to; however not understanding the actual narrative by someone can result in concluding it into "inherent contradictions".
Point#4 mentions Ghamidi's limited understanding of science. Despite I heard Ghamidi sahib himself several times saying the same thing that he's just a basic student of science, I found him otherwise having a deep understanding of it.
I appreciate your insights, this is quite evident from his approach to various topics and interpretations. Most of all, the 'religious apologetic' attitude is quite noticeable. Thanks for your comment.
Great conversation both of you guys learned alot.
ur point 3 is inherently flawed and i believe u need to put rigorous effort in not being contradictory.
When ghamidi says concept of islamic political state doesn’t exist it doesn’t mean that it would be haram or sinful to do so. If any islamic political state does form and declares jihad(war) against a country just like if ww3 happens it would be ITS RIGHTFUL RIGHT TO DO SO
Now my question to u is was it hard to understand or is it a u problem
excellent analysis❤love for you and ghamidi sahb
He is a self made scholar. As per gamadi:
1. Music is not haram in Islam.
2. There is no concept of pardah in Islam.
3. There is no return of Hazrat esa(r.a)
4. If state has no religion, that means we should accept secularism.
5. Intrest is not haram in Islam.
If you read Allama iqbal you will call him atheist same if you read Sir Syed Ahmad Khan which are true founder
@nvherman257 may be u are true. But for a true Muslim, he has to follow Quran and Hadith regardless of ideology of any person. So hold firmly Quran and Hadith which is the teaching of sahaba.
@@pooshmati yes but also use human intellect in it like slavery is end it doesn't mean you have to force slavery I. Order bring back Quran words we need interpretation in sense of human intellect of 21 century otherwise mullah will rule and push us in stone age and create failed Muslims nation like Pakistan Palestine Afghanistan Iran
bhai ghamidi sahb bas west ko dekh kar apna kaam ki ayat utha leta aur baki sab chor deta. un ko bhi pata ha k taimoor bhai jesa logon na kabhi quran nahi prhna
i agree with everything ghamidi says u can cry about it if you like
شکریہ جناب ، اس سے زیادہ آ سان لفظوں میں غامدی صاحب کے بارے میں بیان کرنا ممکن نہیں ۔
It's always refreshing to hear you, Taimoor sir. ❤❤❤
I love your conversations and broader perspective. Live long
I am still confused about a few points and i would really appreciate if someone can explain
1 - if state has no religion , how can state (which cannot be islamic ) wade jihad, which is an islamic concept ? how can a non-religious state have this authority to carry out this definitely religious idea?
2 - regarding takfir : if someone states that they are muslim but carry out actions which clearly contradicts islamic principles , who has the authority to contradict them ? and if they cannot be contradicted , how can we propagate islam to non muslims ? or how can Muslims clarify that actions of violence by non-state actors is actually not islamic , as they claim to be as much muslim as peaceful ones
1 .... I was gonna put up the same question but good that you asked ..... and you'll never get an answer ........ Their speeches are full of self-contradiction ....... only those, who actually wanted to limit whole Islam into confinement, do like their speeches. ..... Sad so sad ......
@@UllulAmar If his speeches are so self contradictory then why are you wandering here?
I respect the Ghamdi sahab very much, but i have to say that Ghamdi sahab has no knowledge about political Islam. Islam is the main source of genuine politics.
@@ReyazKhan-v1m "it is not the eyes that are blind but the hearts" this surah also fits to Muslims.
The West suffered through the same dilemma of Religion controlling the State three decades ago. Thanks to the scholars of the 14th century, they broke away the State from the chains of religion and got set on the road to progress. However, we are still struggling with this dilemma, and it requires a significant effort not only on the part of present-day Islamic reformers like Ghamdi Sahib but also the general public to change their mindset by rejecting centuries-old myths.
Ghamidi is great. Thanks to Taimur Sahab for arranging the session
A beautiful and meaningful programme...
He opened the gate for ummah revival.
Absolutely
there is no such thing as ummah. u would belive that it exists but reality is that most muslims dont even think about it they way pakistani does
Dr Taimoor, can you recommend some book to study European history, specially emphasizing the struggle to separate church from the state.
مذہب کے بغیر اگر آپ کی عقل توازن برقرار رکھتے ہوے زندگی کو بیان کر سکتی ہے تو آپ عالم ہیں۔
غامدی آمید کا کرن۔۔اللہ سلامت رکھے استاد محترم ❤❤
Ghamidi sahib is not a bridge between orthodoxy and modernity but rather a presenter of the true face of Islam, that's why is hated upon by both the extremes
We cannot be blind because we have our own consciousness and there are no restrictions on seeking knowledge. The very first word of the Holy Quran is "Iqra" it means "to read" .
So keeping"Iqra" in view I read different tafaseers of the Holy Quran as the first one "Tafseer-ibni- Kaseer" "Bayan-ul-Quran" and "Tafheem-ul-Quran" so far. So I can distinguish what is right and what is wrong through my knowledge.
It's a real treat. You've beautifully summed up the gems uttered by Javed Ahmed Ghamdi. Only a nation saturated by ignorance and bigotry can force an intellectual like Ghamdi to take his abode to another country. Most civilised countries would give an arm and leg to have someone of Ghamdi's calibre amongst them.
افسوس کی بات یہ ہے کہ غامدی صاحب پر تحقیقی تنقید کے بجائے پروپیگینڈا زیادہ کیا جاتا ہے
جس کی وجہ سے ڈسکورس آگے نہیں بڑھ رہا
App karlayynaaa bhai kyanay manaaa kiayahay
@teslastan I don't understand
An excellent salvo! Pithy encapsulation of a deep intellectual tradition, important as it is, however comes at the expense of nuance. It is nonetheless a great pointer to those who would choose to study the Farahi thought and Janab Ghamidi’s sterling contribution to the development of that thought. Indoctrinated with what you describe as dogma and habituated to terms that ease reception of apparently new ideas, it is easy to describe Ghamidi sahab’s thought as radical. It isn’t. And this is the most outstanding feature of his scholarship. While standing firmly within the parameters of scripture, he has forensically exposed the errors, fallacies and fancies that have grown over the centuries around the core normative values of religion. Feeding such invented fan fiction at the threat of eternal damnation has ensured perpetuation of clerical authority so much so that it is well nigh impossible for most to shed their respective confirmation biases. The parallels you have cited were the forerunners to the Reformation - there were quite a few others as well. The key difference is that these were attempted push backs to the growing oppressiveness - of thought and action - of the Catholic Church. Emphasis on ‘sola scriptura’ might give that impression of a parallel. However, in the Farahi school it is how that scripture unfolds over time and space to irrigate the landscape and the depths of human imagination and conduct. When that begins to happen, the vanity and pettiness of our conflicts, angers, accusations, frustrations, persecutions, agitations and false egos recedes into oblivion.
A candid analysis. Thank you. Why you did not ask Ghamdi sahb to provide his view (in an interview/discussion) about this parallels? No doubt he is a great mind of modern times. We should benefit from him.
Ghamidi is the only religious scholar,whose each & every word is there on Internet. Install application "Ghamidi "
one sitting with Ahmed Javed Sahab, one more different philosophical perspective of the bridge you'll find surely.
Good to hear ❤
Dear Taimur sir,
Loved your lectures on ‘ A history of philosophy” intended for lums course. Somehow, a channel have posted those lectures but they limited to William of okham. Can you please share other videos after that. I really do want to complete that.
Professor. Whats your view point about Engineer Mohammed Ali?
I watched this video from a critical mindset because the words like "Modernism" etc have caused more damage to Ghamidi sahab's teaching, who himself has never claimed to be a modernist or as someone presenting modern interpretation of Islam.
However, I found the video to be very good. Taimur sahab has very nicely summarized the points where Ghamidi sahab's opnion differ with our traditional scholars. And moreover, I felt the word "modernity" was used basically to draw parallel with past history. It was not used to imply that Ghamidi sahab is a "modernist". A word that our orthodoxy uses for him unfortunately in a negative sense.
Job well done Taimur sahab 😊
What a lovely presentation and ghamidi sahebs interpretation Do you think like economy education also has a role for crossing the bridge.
Mr. then what are for islamic laws? Explain...
This for second time I listen to you. First time I heard you lecturing on the history of philosophy. Interestingly, I am a student of Philosophy so I enjoyedyour those lectures. And even more intrestingly, I have been a student of Ghamdi Sab, in Civil Service Academy, Walton Lahore so I enjoyed your this lecture too. Where I admire Ghamdi Sab there I do not go along with him on many issues. The recent one, when a pig heart was transplaned in a human, the first response of Ghamdi sab was that it was haram/ not allowed in Islam. I immediately commented that to save human life everything is allowed. Am glad after few days he reviewed his position. On the five topics you mentioned there is lot of room to differ with him. A faith is not suspended in the air, it reflects in people, who follow it. Hence the religion too is known through it followers. For instance India is a Hindu country and Pakistan a Muslim. A mere land without people is no country. Antarctica though a land but no country. If in future a majority Christians settle there it will be a christian country and both pork and wime will be legal served there. Allah has given laws parallal to human made laws. If a country is implementing those laws in their system that will be an Islamic country. No other religion has that comprehensive laws and that is why the Islamic state is debatable. Ghamdi Sab is trying to improve the packing of Islam to making it more acceptable, hence he is giving different explanations. In some cases he sounds correct but not all the time. Islam is giving a comprehensive way of life and any state following those laws will be an Islamic State. So how he can say a state has no religion. Any state implments human made laws will be a secular state.
Great Ghamdi GOAT of all scholars!❤
Thank you for this, Dr Taimur! Here're my two cents:
Islam has a rich history of holding a diversity of opinions, interpretations and arguements that can simultaneously be in service of truth and social good.
One doesn't have to like or dislike Ghamidi Sb to accept that his explanations and interpretations have as much right to exist as others. And so the way to engage with Ghamidi Sb's work will not be through ridicule, or demeaning him, but with reflection, reasoning and thought. To operate from a place of intellectual courage, humility, clarity and openness and not let our personal prejudices about a certain person or their 'sect/background' ever discount the merit of their arguments :)
Jzzak.ALLAH Taimur bhaie...short but well explained ❤
Love for ustaz The Great Ghamidi❤
Ghamidi Saab is the most sensible , balanced and refined scholar I have ever seen in Pakistan. He is definitely a gift of Almighty in subcontinent. Shame on all the sects, wild TLP and cringe mullahs for all their bullshit spread in the society
Very thoughtful lecture I want to add something that in medieval times Christian saints like saint Aquinos, st Augustine ne Greek and Roman mythology ko itna detail s parha tha that they Christianized Plato and Aristotle ar hmare alim ye hi ni decide kar pare k hum musalnon m kafir kis ko ni kehna. If they have common sense ye sawal to marne k bad pucha jata which religion you belong and saza jaza decide hoti but....
Sir you do podcast with people from different schools of thought, also do a podcast with a Shia scholar. 😊
And the with a Ahmadi , Brelvi, ahl hadees and dozens of other useless sects
That's a great analysis 👍
Good presentation. Valuable insights from the history.
I have a different perspective. History should be used to learn and break the shackles of history. We, however, use history to justify the present. What I call Prisoners of History.
Ghamidi sahib generally has the right approach. I read and listen to him regularly. However, I do have few difficulties in understanding his thoughts on how to achieve the goals of what he profess to be the true essence of Islam.
Purpose of Islam is to achieve salvation in Hereafter, according to JAG. But the road goes through this life. The real issue is how to lead a life of purity, or tazkiya, without focusing on the community at large. Individually I might be doing everything right, but the society, which constitutes a country or state, has be governed by similar values and principles, or there will be huge conflict, like the one we see today. How to bridge this gap is the missing part.
What is JAG?
@@mujahidhussain6264 Javed Ahmed Ghamidi.
@ Thank you
Great analysis, excellent 👍❤
غامدی صاحب بہت نیک نیت انسان ہیں۔ کسی کو بھی اُن سے اختلاف ہو سکتا ہے لیکن انہوں نے جیسے دین کو سمجھا اپنی نیک نیتی سے لوگوں تک پہنچا دیا۔۔ باقی یہ کی ہر انسان خطا کا پُتلا ہے ۔ اللہ ہمیں معاف کرنے والا ہے
As an agnostic mai bhot zada respect krti hu inki jo b ho religion sahi na b ho ya ink views religion sy different ho b tab b ye Pakistan ka faida kr rahy hain extremism ko kam kr k
Islam ky fundamentals ko nuqsan pohcha ky islam ka konsa faida krrhy hain?
@craaazy-bm8se Islam ka ho na ho at least insano ka zurur kr rahy hain
Ghamdi Sahib argues that Islam lacks a distinct political and economic system, which I find questionable. A functioning society inherently requires political and economic frameworks, so how did Muslims manage to absorb two major empires without them? Ghamdi Sahib also asserts that the state should not have a religion, yet this perspective overlooks the complex dynamics of belief systems; humans have biases, as evidenced in Western societies where democracies often prioritize their own civilization.
I propose that while Islam's political and economic systems may not align with modern structures, they can be updated through ijtihad (independent reasoning) and consensus to address contemporary needs.
I don’t know if people have read his writings or watched his videos, but he explained all this in detail. His definition of Islam is straightforward, and I’m not sure why some people find it complex. Islam came to prepare us for what will happen to us in the afterlife (Aakhirat). The 'two major empires' adopted the frameworks of other empires that existed at that time. The Umayyad and Abbasid empires, for example, were monarchies, like most other empires around the world. In Western societies, an Asian or African Muslim can be elected as a state premier. In our more radicalized societies, this is not the case.
Well said,
@@minhajdesigns I agree with you that Islam indeed prepares us for the Hereafter, but we must also manage this world in accordance with contemporary needs. Islam historically included a political structure, such as the roles of Caliph, governors, and an economic system with elements resembling the labor theory of value.
You mentioned monarchies but didn’t address the Caliphate system, where the Caliph was selected through a form of election. Even in monarchies, such as the Ottoman Empire, non-Arab rulers held power, demonstrating some flexibility.
In Western societies, the election of people of color often comes with expectations that they represent specific cultural interests. Even when they do, they may still face prejudice, as seen in the approval ratings of figures like Rishi Sunak. Western societies are still in progress, and so are ours. For our societies, we need to establish systems that fit our cultural context rather than adopting foreign changes that may trigger negative reactions.
Javed ahmed ghamdi always my favourite, very intellectual personality
such a great video❤ sir please also make videos on political science or philosophy related topics .plzzzz
مجدد دوراں،مصلح امت،حجة المحدثین،شیخ الاسلام علامہ جاوید احمد غامدی صاحب❤❤❤
غامدی صاحب جہاں سے اپنا مسلک لیتے ہیں اس پہلے وہ لوگ مجدد ہونے چاہئے تھے ان کے نام کے آگے علامہ شیخ الاسلام ہونا چاہیے تھا لیکن آج ساری امت ان کو گمراہ کہتی ھے۔
Ustad G jab Raysat ka koi mazhab nahi toh phir jahad ki authority By,Deen Rayasat ky pass kese? Kindly Quran aur Hadees ki Roshni mein Guide krain.
You can ask Ghamdi. Why are you asking me?
@Taimur_Laal that's cool😊
I always feel curious about those books behind you
بہت اچھا سمرائز کیا ہے آپ نیں غامدی صاحب کو۔ میں غامدی صاحب کو بہت عرصے سے سن رہا ہوں اور انکے بہت سارے ویوز کا قائل بھی ہوں۔ مسئلہ صرف ایک ہے کہ جب وہ پولیٹیکل اسلام پر بولتے ہیں تو ویسٹرن پاورز کے آگے اتنا زیادہ سرنڈر کر دیتے ہیں اور مسلمانوں کو اتنا مورالی ڈاون کر دیتے ہیں کہ کبھی کبھی لگتا ہے کہ وہ جان بوجھ کر ایسا کر رہے ہیں۔ میں خدانخواستہ ان پر کوئ الزام نہیں لگا رہا لیکن کچھ تو توازن رکھنا چاہیے۔