A huge thanks for instilling in me love of philosophy, via your "A history of Philosophy" course. But, videos after aquinas are not available. Can you please reupload them on your youtube channel. I am referring to those lecture intended for lums students, but surfaced on youtube by elements prime.
Hassan's entire thesis is based on premise which has no ground reality in itself. And the rest is all story and conjecture build on top of a hypothetical faith based foundations. His entire conservation is deprived of serious intellectual integrity. Taimur seems like a smart person but I am amazed as to how Taimur has given so much intellectual space to his guests . I guess it's the culture pressure.
@@SaadMakhdoom-g8l You have all the right to disagree. That is my whole point. We should have a culture where point of views can be challenged. Otherwise it's always on-sided.
When did he plead faith in this entire discussion ?? What he said is based on ground realities. What is written in the Quran is a reality. How language works is a reality. How Muslims degraded and changed over time is a very concrete historical reality. Yar tum jayse log , maolvio ke baato ko sahee sabit kar rahey hotey ho , is tarah ke comments se , aor us ka tum ko ehsaas bhi nahi hota. Har baat me "faith" ya "iman" ko maolvi beech me ghusa detey hain. And you go along with it and hold "iman" responsible for everything.
@@DwindlingLamp You got me wrong. I am simple against religious apologists. And as far as what are ground realities and written reality, we need to base our understandings on solid historical facts and not on history which was written by victors 300 years after Islam.
@@SaadMakhdoom-g8lbhai I don’t think you know the complete Narrative of Farahi school of thought. Or maybe you are not as much interested in religion debates as others . I’m sorry I’m not judging you But these people are complete different and it slightly difficult to understand their methodology. Bro you got Hassan Ilyas wrong
Our religious so called scholars, regardless any school of thought, never discuss universal human rights without distinguishing between Muslims and non-Muslims, or between minorities and majorities. In Pakistan, the issue of human rights violations isn't limited to minorities-it's a national concern affecting the entire population. Some scholars link human rights exclusively to minorities to create the impression that the majority's human rights are not an issue, often to serve their own interests.
Very good discussion. Just one point, as had been suggested earlier by Ghamidi sahab also, people who are not scholars shouldn’t open their mouth on Deen on public forums. In light of that, I’m not sure why a person like Hamza Abbasi (non scholar) speaking on deen. Doing discussions in private is something else, but he shouldn’t be speaking on deen in public. He can ask questions from scholars like Hassan Ilyas bhai, but not speak as if himself is a scholar.
It was a deeply thought-provoking and thorough discussion presented in an open manner. Once I started the video, I couldn't stop until I had watched it all. The dedication of individuals like you, Ghamdi sb, to promote awareness and tolerance among people is truly admirable. ❤
All over 23 years RasoolAllah ﷺ fought many wars, why? To establish an Islamic State, Similarly was what Rashidun Caliphate, Also Islam has it's own economic system... If you don't understand, go read jurisprudence, If Islam was only about Namaz, Zakat there was no need for Establishment of Caliphate
Those states and economic systems were in accordance with the objective conditions of those times. They were amazing. But now under capitalism, conditions have changed entirely. We need new solutions to modern problems. It is just that simple.
@@Taimur_Laal You mean Islam is out of syllabus now? Is it's system acceptable only for specific Era and when Time changes then it's not able to solve the modern problems? If it is then it shouldn't be called "A Divine Religion". So its not that simple as you said.
@@hafizshaheen3616 "Also sexual intercourse with married women is forbidden to you - EXCEPT WITH YOUR ˹FEMALE˺ SLAVE GIRLS." AL Quran 4;24 It was narrated from Anas, that the Messenger of Allah had a FEMALE SLAVE WITH WHOM HE HAD INTERCOURSE, but Hadrat 'Aishah RA and Hadrat Hafsah RA would not leave him alone until he said that she was forbidden for him. Then Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, revealed (in the Holy Qur'an): "O PROPHET! WHY DO YOU FORBID (for YOURSELF) THAT WHICH ALLAH HAS ALLOWED TO YOU.' ... Al-Qur’an 66:1 يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّبِيُّ لِمَ تُحَرِّمُ مَآ أَحَلَّ ٱللَّهُ لَكَۖ تَبۡتَغِي مَرۡضَاتَ أَزۡوَٰجِكَۚ وَٱللَّهُ غَفُورٞ رَّحِيمٞ Classification Sahih (Authentic) Nasai/36/3411 Narrated by Abu Huraira While we were in the mosque, Allah's Apostle came out to us and said, "Let us proceed to the Jews." So we went along with him till we reached Bait-al-Midras (a place where the torah used to be recited and all the Jews of the town used to gather). The Prophet stood up and addressed them, "O Assembly of Jews! Embrace Islam and you will be safe!" The Jews replied, "O Aba-l-Qasim! You have conveyed Allah's message to us." The Prophet said, "That is what I want (from you)." He repeated his first statement for the second time, and they said, "You have conveyed Allah's message, O Aba-l-Qasim." Then he said it for the third time and added, "You should Know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to exile you from this land, so whoever among you owns some property, can sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle." (See Al Bukhari Hadith No. 392, Vol. 4) Israel is now doing exactly that to the Palestinians today what our beloved Prophet did to them 1400 years ago. So yes. It's out of syllabus now. Has been for centuries. The concept of Universal Human Rights and the Criminalization of SLAVERY by the UN have cruelly exposed the glaring reality of Islam.
@@hafizshaheen3616What i understood is that we need to evaluate as per current era under the light of Quran e hakim Furkan e hakim. But as long as the laws are concerned those must remain the same. For example: Today i can break my fast with maghrib prayer where it is advised to break the fast at the time of sunset. We all know maghrib prayer is being called at the time of sun set so i dont need to go to the rooftop to see if sun set happened or not.
Great talk, this is same work what Eng Ali Mirza doing but only difference is Hassan Bhai & Co say this then get on board for Dallas USA flight, whereas Eng Ali Mirza roaming around on his CD70 in Jhelum, brave man, we need people like them to talk with logic & reference. They are humans & can be wrong at a time 👌👏
I am confused. Because according to Hassan the majority will not agree on something wrong. Then according to this principal 2 billion followers of Christ are right or wrong? Or this principle only applies selectively to muslims? If it dose only apply to muslims only then it is not a universal rule. So there is a contradiction.
He's saying k established history muntaqil krne k mamle me aisa NAHI ho skta... Mtlb k Bangladesh hum se alag huwa ye established history hai, Kal koi ye kahe k aisa NAHI hai, Pakistan aur Bangladesh pehle hi alag Thai, to koi ni maane ga... Muslim, Christianity ki behas , tareekhi behas NAHI hai, ye narrative ki behas hai...aur narrative ki behas me mujhe ni lgta kbhi koi consensus ho skta hai... Koi ni keh skta k Einstein, Galileo naami koi aadmi NAHI tha...q k ye established history ka hissa ban chuki hain...
@@muhammadhassan9809 Yes I agree what you are saying about established history. No one can deny the established history. BUT, The argument is somewhat different. We are concerned about the spirit of the facts, and not the fact itself. My point is. Is it possible that majority can agree on a single point and be wrong about it. For example every one agrees on the fact that 1971 Pakistan was divided. But does every one agrees that it was the right thing to do. So my friend my point is , Even if majority agrees on a fact or fiction , it does not make it true or valid.
@@blue-y3r you are right bro but he's talking about totally different thing... Wo yeh NAHI Keh Rahe k agr sab log ka aik nazariya hai to wo theek... Agr pehle majority earth ko Solar system ka center maanti thi to iska ye mtlb ni k ye theek tha... He's not talking about speculations he's talking about historical facts... Pakistan and India alag huwe.. Koi inkaar ni kre ga, lekin kaya ye Sahi huwa ya ghalat har kisi ka jawab alag hoga... He's talking about just history not the people's opinions about it...
yes majority doesn’t make it right and wrong bro If Christian are in majority and they saying something/some belief, it doesn’t mean they are right. If Muslims having some belief it doesn’t mean they are right For example majority of Muslims belief that Essa as will come back, it doesn’t make them right. Now you can make your question or confusion again The point I wanted to make it here, but I will do after your view
Sir i want to know if zizek is against postmodernism whyhis philosphy is based on primarly Jacques lacan work who is mainly postmodern ...plz answer sir
Qaisar has the same intellectual level as Trump so there is no point in debating him. Although the intellectual level of the guests in this debate is not much higher but atleast within there limited sphere of thinking they tend to be more humane and liberal.
QURAN 9:29 Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, nor comply with what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor embrace the religion of truth from among those who were given the Scripture,1 until they pay the tax,2 willingly submitting, fully humbled.
It’s a great session but for young generation specially out side Pakistan,it is hard to understand pure Urdu . So can you pls upload with English subtitles. Thank you
Good effort to make catchy show, though m not convinced Hamza’s point but still respect his view(personal state of mind). Also liked his Maula jatt amazing performance, Dr Saab ne ainvy “Nietzsche” explain karne me energy lagayi.
Not some modern lipstick translation of quran. Beating of women was in the translation uptil 1934 but now peopel are leaving islam becasue they think its sick so modern mulalhs make new meaning. Apart from this the verse seems to be written by someone of the thought process of khalil ur rehman qamar Abdullah Yusuf Ali, The Holy Qur'an (1934): Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)
اگر پس منظر اتنا اہم ہے کہ اسکی بنیاد پر قرآن کی تشریح لازمی ہے اور پس منظر بدلنے سے قرآن کا حکم بدل جاتا ہے تو اللہ نے صحیح پس منظر کی حفاظت کا انتظام کیوں نہ کیا ؟ یہاں تک کہ صدیوں تک حکمران اسلام کو استعمال کر کے پوری دنیا پر ظلم کرتے رہے ۔ خدا نے ایسا کیوں گوارا کیا ؟ یہ بات کہنا کہ فراحی صاحب سے پہلے علما آیات کا پس منظر نہیں سمجھتے سمجھاتے تھے جھوٹ کے علاؤہ کچھ نہیں ۔ البتہ باقی چیزوں کی طرح پس منظر میں بھی اختلاف رہا ہے ۔ تو کیوں خدا نے صحیح پس منظر کو محفوظ نہ کیا ۔ مزید یہ کہ اگر انسان اتنا ناقص ہے کہ ایک ہی طرح کہ ذہن رکھنے والے انسان ایک ہی قسم کہ اصول و ضوابط کو استعمال کر کہ ایک ہی کتاب جو ایک اللہ نے لکھی ہے ایک تفسیر پر نہیں پہنچ پاتے تو ایسے انسان کو تفسیر کی اجازت ہی کیوں ہے ؟ یہ کس نے طے کیا ہے کہ غامدی صاحب کا طرز تفسیر حقیقتاً درست ہے ؟ باقیوں سے مختلف ہونا صحیح ہونے پر دلیل نہیں ۔ گزشتہ مفسر بھی کسی نہ کسی طرح باقیوں سے مختلف رہے ہیں ۔انکے ماننے والے غامدی صاحب کے ماننے والوں سے زیادہ ہیں ۔مختصر یہ کہ حسن صاحب دعویٰ رکھتے ہیں دلیل نہیں ۔
اِس لئے کہ یہ زندگی اور مرگ، امتحان ہیں۔ یہ کیا کوئی پی۔ایچ۔ڈی کرنے والی بات ہے کہ قرآن محمدﷺ نے دیا دنیا کو ؟؟ اور وہ قرآن میں مخاطَبین، اُس زمانے کے لوگ ہیں ؟ یہ بات تو عام علم ہیں، اِن کو "محفوظ" کرنے کی ضرورت نہین۔ لیکن کئی مرتبہ انسان کو عینک پہن کر عینک نظر نہیں آ رہی ہوتی۔ یہ ہوا ہے ہمارے مولویوں کے ساتھ۔ انسان چابی جیب میں رکھ کر چابی ڈھونڈ رہا ہوتا ہے۔ اُس کے لئے اللہ کو کچھ کرنے کی ضرورت نہیں، انسان کو اپنے جیب میں دیکھنے کی ضرورت ہے۔
why does Allah swt has prescribed state laws then why prophet fought so many wars. Islam is there to make every ideology its subservient. May Allah guide us and make us those are on His path. Islam is there to conquer every aspect of life from individual to state thats why its a total submission. Peoples desires are way to nowhere but Hell, a heretic jew marx is more important at State then God and his religion how fool you have to be think this way. Life is not about ending poverty
Allah hmary sath ghamidi sb ko bhi hidayat naseeb kry. Qaisar bhai ny aik mukhlis try ki thi in k sath bat krny ki in logo k sath mgr in me itna sbr nhi.
munazara krne se bwhtar hai ap ye sara nuqtae nazar parh lein, aur wahan se disagreement krein just youtube "secularism in Pakistan ghamidi" there is a 15 minute video, start from there
@@alkkkkkk8369 shukria apki help k liy mgr me sun chuka hu already. Hassan bhai ny kha tha Fozan ahmed ki podcast mein k hmen clear kren to hm apna POV ko dobara dekhen gy. ab ye kisi se question hi nhi lety to kesy ye confusion door ho?
@@muhammadumeranwar3608 chalain phir ye relize ho gaya hoga k Ghamidi sb secularism as well as socialism k totally against hain aur uske against arguments dete hain. jahan tak baat rahi jawabaat ki tou asl me almawrid ne ye tariqa institutionally adobt nahi kia k debates krein. they just present their POV, and do analysis of orthodoxy. Hasan bhai has a slightly different approach jis tarha unhi ne 23 questions ki episode mein vo saray counter questions jo qaiser bhai ya aur bhai krte hain unko bhi address kia hai . khair ap almawrid lahore me chakay jaen tou apko jawab bhi mil jaegay jaisay mjhe mile, me khud aik sufi barelvi khandan se taluq rakhta hun per takrebaan saray sawalaat k jawab mil gaye hain mujhe. khair ap counter narrative by ghamidi sb (10 part detailed video series) dekhein shayd koi aik do chezon k jawabaat mil jaen. shukriya
@@muhammadumeranwar3608 chalain agr dekh chukay hain tou phir kamkam ye realize ho gaya hoga k Ghamidi sb secularism as well as socialism k totally against hain aur uske against arguments dete hain. jahan tak baat rahi jawabaat ki tou asl me almawrid ne ye tariqa institutionally adobt nahi kia k debates krein. they just present their POV, and do analysis of orthodoxy. Hasan bhai has a slightly different approach jis tarha unhi ne 23 questions ki series mein vo saray counter questions jo qaiser bhai ya aur bhai krte hain unko bhi address kia hai . khair ap almawrid lahore me chalay jaen tou apko jawab bhi mil jaegay jaisay mjhe mile, me khud aik sufi barelvi khandan se taluq rakhta hun per takrebaan saray sawalaat k jawab mil gaye hain mujhe. khair ap counter narrative by ghamidi sb (10 part detailed video series) dekhein shayd koi aik do chezon k jawabaat mil jaen. baki accept krna na krne mein tou ao azad hain, mein bhi aoni family mein do me se aik bhai ko qail kr ska hun aur baki sb vohi sufi practice follow krte hain. ye kam tou khair hmaray hath me hai bhi nahi k sb convince ho jaen ya agree ker lein ksi aik interpretation per shukriya
@@muhammadumeranwar3608ap khud unko jo students hai in se baat kar ly. Hassan Ilyas se baat karna zruri nhi. Agar some questions hi karne hai tou I can make your contact with a person jo apk sawalo k jawab deny ki koshish kary gy Ap daleel ly kar aein hum sar jhuka dein gy
So untill Ghamidi and Farahi came along the Mussalmans were, for 1400 years misreading the Quran. What you are really saying is that the Holy Book mohtaj hai Ghamidi ki.
@@TabiyaDar apni zindagi me suni hui baato ko 1400 saal ke saarey musalmaano par mat chipkaao. The problems of the last 200 years are new. How can they be answered by the people 1400 years ago ???
@@Taimur_Laal There is no place for reformism in your faith. If it were open to reforms, there would either be a ban on men's polygamy or an acceptance of a woman's polyandry. If it were open to reforms, stories like Lot's would be chucked out and there would be acceptance of homosexuality and transsexuality as a brain-arisen phenomenon that is influenced by genetics and epigenetics. If it were open to reforms, heads of the state and government and armed forces in Islamic countries would be any diverse individual of any race, ethnic, gender or sexuality. If it were open to reforms, your "enlightened" clergy would vehemently oppose underage marriages and denounce past acceptance of slavery, especially sexual slavery! The kind of yardstick you use to judge secular society or new identity politics shaping the world, if only you used that same yardstick to assess faith, would you not suffocate under the weight of your own hypocrisy and biases? You bear no definite position when it comes to either modern rational values or traditional outdated dogmas. Neutrality is the position of a cowardly simpleton! Enough of this reformative/revisionist bull! These buzzwords reek of nothing but hypocrisy.
@@behtereen4187 Careful is when you are a tight-lipped irreligious person or a mute atheist in a fanatic society like Pakistan. In his charade of discourse, Laal is advocating a version of faith that deceptively promotes an image of inclusivity, openness to change and executing social justice among diverse individuals. At least the clergy owns up to religion and are unwaveringly rigid to the idea of change which is an honest position that their faith encourages them to take. With people like Laal and Hamza Abbasi, you never know where you stand!
Islam is a religion of Allah. Quran, being the word of God, requires us to follow the Quran and the practice of the Prophet (Sunnah). Since Allah created diversity, it is imperative to have differences in understanding our faith. Mr. Hassan and Mr. Ghamdi has consistently ignored the Fiqh status of Fiqah Jafaria thus ignoring about 1/5th of Muslims. It is painful to mention, based on consistent teachings of Mr. Ghamdi, the hostile attitude towards Ahl-e-bait. To me this discredits him being a Muslim scholar. This may displease many but Mr. Ghamdi and his organization has brought so much pain and Disappointment to the followers of Ahl-e-bait.
@ I am glad that you think you have the knowledge and authority to deliver such judgments. I pray Allah broadens you heart and intellect to show humility and compassion for decent.
@@Taimur_Laal you are absolutely correct. Mr. Ghamdi ‘s contribution to scholarship is appreciated. I have been following him for many years and admire him in many ways. However, his stance in certain theological and historical instances are controversial. Appreciate your comment. Regards.
20 saal pehlay 1 teacher nay kaha tha ghamidi k nazriyat se bch k rehna, Alhamdulillah aaj samjh aya q aesa kaha tha. Hamesha seculars k sath beyth k un ki marzi ka Islam smjhaen gay ye, kbhi Qaisar Ahmad Raja jese bndon k saamne bhi beythayn
😂Your words, tone, and body language expose your true intentions-you are clearly working with an agenda to undermine Islam. It’s evident that you harbor deep-seated hostility towards our faith and are dedicated to spreading this animosity. But let me remind you, no amount of scheming or animosity can shake the foundation of Islam. The truth stands firm, and your actions only reveal your own emptiness. Islam has faced and overcome adversaries far greater than you, and it will continue to thrive, no matter how hard you try to oppose it
Yes you are right most people don't have the ability to think critically and therefore religions and people like Trump will not go away and continue to thrive. “Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.” hence maulvis like you should have no worries be happy.
Spot on Bro, this guy has been at this game for months. The theme of recent videos, last 6 months clearly indicates he is working with an agenda, supporting relaxation in deen and providing preform to people who have been doing it for ages. No reason to believe that they are sincere about matters of deen. They basically say what people like to hear, by giving it another twist.
@@omarkhan3256brother with all due right call it a useless comment, just hope that you don’t fall in blind following, ensure that you are taking the right guidance, everyone is responsible for their own aa’mal, all the best brother.
I deeply respect Hamza’s journey and his right to explore his beliefs. However, I’m not convinced by his so-called ‘transformation’ back to religion. Often, people find comfort in returning to deeply held beliefs and values instilled in childhood, naturally wanting to please loved ones and align with societal norms. That desire is understandable and can offer genuine psychological relief, especially when life brings inevitable challenges and pains. Having had a similar background to his, I found myself in the same position many years ago. As a medical scientist, you’re forced to confront assumptions, and more often than not, attempts to confirm what you want to believe don’t hold up to scrutiny. I went through a journey much like his and emerged with utmost sincerity but without being convinced. To truly believe, one often has to set aside critical questions and the pursuit of objective truth. Just because we can’t answer every question today doesn’t mean we should fill in the gaps with faith. Doing so can undermine the scientific enterprise and, ultimately, human progress. Though, psychologically, I would concede that these faith-based ideas indeed are comforting to me in difficult times.
@@Taimur_Laal@Taimur_Laal I like your videos there is a lot to learn. I have noticed you did not asked them counter questions which i do understand would take discussion to a different path and would not served the purpose you are trying achive however, I do beleive you also have that im mind that people who listens to your video would learn and ask cretical qiestion. For instance when he said that Hazrat Adam a.s was the 1st human and propet to tell people about the Concept of God Almighty were people that time smart enough to understand the concept of GOD. If he was the 1st person on earth then who he was preching to? Did Quran said that Hazrat Adam a.s was the 1st human bei
@@Taimur_Laal@Taimur_Laal I like your videos there is a lot to learn. I have noticed you did not asked them any counter questions which i do understand would take discussion to a different path and would not served the purpose you are trying to get . However when he said that Hazrat Adam a.s was the 1st peraon and propet to tell people about the Concept of God Almighty were people at that time smart enough to understand the concept of GOD. If he was the 1st person on earth then who he was preching to? Thanks a lot I really appreciate your efforts.
@hamidkhan1280 Salam bro, Adam A.S and Hawwa A.S, both were sent together to planet earth from Jannah's constellation. So Human beings started their journey in CLUSTER and not as single individual
O sarkaar, us waqt Muslims aqalliyet me they, in numbers and strength. Iraq was pas part of sananid persia. Bayt ul muqaddas was part of the Byzantine Roman empire. Even the armies were smaller, let alone common population. The were maftooheen, not aqalliyeat. History ko present ki lens se mat dekho. Puraaney zamaaney me aaj ke ideas ghused ke kuch samajh me nahi ayega.
@@DwindlingLamp Hahaha Aap ki baat ko bara kar dete hain Muslims aqliyat me thy to kya tab bhi Usool o zawabit rawaiya nahi rakha gaya us waqt logon ki ibadat gahon ko tabha karna jangi usoolon me hota tha magar Hazrat Umar ne Girja ghar ki chabiyan lene se inkar kar dia tha or kaha tha Me Bahar namaz parhonga.
@@gamerzone3427 History se tum ikhtilaaf kar rahey ho, may nahi. Muslims ne jerusalem ka muhaasarah kar ke rakha tha. Un ke religious leaders ne *surrender ke liye Umar RA se milney ki maang kee thi, tab *surrender kiya tha unho ne , maftooheen kee haysiyat se... Muslims were a minority when compared to sasani and roman territories. It took several centuries for the areas of today's Iran, syria and Iraq to become majority muslim. Islam spread faster in major cities of persia and slowly in village areas. All of this is documented.
51:00 دین میں آپ کیسے رائے دے سکتے ہیں؟؟؟ آپ لوگ دین میں چور دروازہ کھول رہے ہو کہہ رہے ہیں کہ نعوذ باللہ قرآن جو نبی کریم صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم پر اترا اور جن صحابہ کرام نے سمجھا وہ غلط تھا
سوال یہ ہے کہ اس عمل پر اتفاق کیوں نہیں کہ ہاتھ کھول کر یا باندھ کر اور اگر باندھ کر تو کس مقام پر ہاتھ باندھ کر نماز پڑھی جاے- ایسا کیوں ہوا جبکہ حضور نے 23 سال یہ عمل مختلف مقامات پر کیا لیکن مسلمانوں میں اس عمل پر اتفاق نہیں کہ حضور(ص) نے ہاتھ کھول کر یا باندھ کر اور اگر باندھ کر تو کس مقام پر ہاتھ باندھ کر نماز پڑھی- - آج کا مسلمان یہ پوچھنے پر حق بجانب ہے کہ ایسا کیوں ہوا اور دین کے اس اہم رکن میں کیوں تفرقہ پڑا، سوچیے! نیز، اس سے یہ پتہ چلا کہ دودھ میں کتنا پانی ملایا گیا- یہ اہم نقطہ ہے کیونکہ پھر سوال یہ پیدا ہوتا ہے کہ جب ایک عمل جو اتنی دفعہ کیا گیا اس کا یہ حال ہے تو اور احادیث کا کیا حال ہوگا- اہل بیت کا در کھلا ہے جس پر کوئ بھی آسکتا ہے- مزید براں، اہل بیت میں دینی معملات میں کوئ اختلاف نہیں-
@@DwindlingLamp because they are unable to teach what they thought and what they want to deliver. They are only criticise other islamic scholers and tell they are true this is not true before proof.
Me recommend karta hu ke Qaiser ahmed raja ko bhi suno. En jese secular logo ke liye nightmare he qaiser sahab. Ye sab misinform misguide aur mislead karte hain. Please please apna iman bachao
Please invite Qaisar Ahmad Raja in your podcast. Apni pasand k narratives k sath beth k propaganda kerna to easy hy. Why not have a real discussion? So many misleading things in this discussion but Alhamdulillah that we have real knowledge intact to get guidance from. For anyone watching this, DO NOT WORRY AT ALL, Islam ka pura nizaam available hai. Do follow real knowledgeable people and learn Islam from the real sources. May Allah SWT guide us all. Ameen
hahahahahhah This advice from someone named doodlemind who wants to invite a doodlebrain to the program and the bit about 'islam ka pura nizaam available hai' is priceless. Please don't stop we need something to laugh at in these depressing times.
Look how some blind minded got triggered. Taumur lal will never invite bcz he can't talk who oppose him logically. Its easy to talk with people where "meetha meetha hap hap, karwa karwa thoo thoo"
@@Normalguy21 Another gem of English language by a follower of Raja Maulvi. "Blind minded got triggered". I am going to recommend OED to include this phrase in their next edition. The followers of Raja maulvi are even funnier than him. Please post more comments.
@@omarkhan3256Mr Oxfordian whats your point though .......blind folded or blind minded mean you liberal are just insane talking illogically without reasoning bulshitting around ...beating about the bush ...ghamdi's followers ;ilyas and engineer and that kind of species will discuss things with atheist and liberals but will never meet with people like qaisar so on and so forth
Hassan ilyas sahab ne kaha deen minorities k baray me koi baat nahi krta. Is pr mazhabi tabqa aitraz me quran ki wo ayaat la skta hy jisme mushrikeen ko qatal. Aur ehle kitab ko maghluub krke unse jizya lene ka hukam dia gya hy. Jo qanoon Allah k rasul k lie khas hy k wo aa k apne mukhatibeen pr saza o jaza ka faisla qaim krta hy. Ye hukam bhi usi context me rasul k addresses k lie hi tha. Hmare ulma us hukam ko aj k non muslims pr implement krte hain aur unko second grade citizens mantay hain. Halanke un ehkaam ka ta'alluq aj k non muslims se bilkul bhi nhi hy. Quran k ehkaam ko islie context me rkh k smjhna bht zaruri hy
Farahi Sahab ka pehla jawab he unky ilam pe sawaliya nishan hai shaid unhy dobara tareekh ka rujoo karna paray ga Meesaq e Madina ko or سورۃ الحشر ko parhny ki zarorat hai
Meesaaq e madina ke baad ,yahood ko nikaal kahey ko diya tha phir ?? That wasn't a constitution, just an agreement. A constitution is also a social agreement actually but on a much larger scale. If you look at the past with the lenses of the present period , you are bound to make enormous errors.
@DwindlingLamp My dear, Meesaq e madina ki khilaf warzi karny k baad unko nikala tha it was a agreement they were punished due to violation of contract between Muslims and others.
Hassan ilyas sahab ne kaha deen minorities k baray me koi baat nahi krta. Is pr mazhabi tabqa aitraz me quran ki wo ayaat la skta hy jisme mushrikeen ko qatal. Aur ehle kitab ko maghluub krke unse jizya(tax) lene ka hukam dia gya hy. Jo qanoon Allah k rasul k lie khas hy k wo aa k apne mukhatibeen pr saza o jaza ka faisla qaim krta hy. Ye hukam bhi usi context me rasul k addresses k lie hi tha. Hmare ulma us hukam ko aj k non muslims pr implement krte hain aur unko second grade citizens mantay hain. Halanke un ehkaam ka ta'alluq aj k non muslims se bilkul bhi nhi hy. Quran k ehkaam ko islie context me rkh k smjhna bht zaruri hy
آپ ان سے یہ بھی سول کرتے۔ "قرآن اللہ کا ہی کتاب/کلام ہے، ثبوت کیا ہے؟ محمد اللہ کے واقعی رسول ہیں، ثبوت کیا ہے؟ ہم کہیں اندھی تقلید اور عقیدت میں بغیر ثبوت اس بات کی گواہی تو نہیں دے رہے جس کے گواہ ہم ہیں ہی نہیں؟" سائنسی تناظر میں بھی قرآن کی ہر ایک بات گریک،میسوپوٹیمیا،بابلین،مصر اور چائینیز تہزیبیں جو کچھ قرآن میں لکھا ہے بہت پہلے سے جانتی تھیں۔ قبل مسیح کے فلاسفرز/سائنسدانوں کی لسٹ موجود ہے۔ اس وقت کے قرآنی علم کی کڑیاں قرآن سے ہزار سال پرانے دور میں بھی مل جائیں گی۔
@@Hazrat-e-Insaan ap Hosla Karyn... Quran ke study Karyn pher bat Karyn "har aik baat" Jo purane tahzeb main Hain Big Bang ka Zikar? Embryological stages? Uniqueness of fingerprints.? Chromosomal pairs? Reflection of moon light? Cerebral cortex as ultimate decision making part.? Preservation of Quran? Specific Path for Each Celestial Body? + + More. So, don't be blind follower. Do a detailed study of Quran.
@@omarkhan3256 jawab hamen milen hoe hain jitne Kafi hain... "Whoever seeks a way other than Islam, it will never be accepted from them, and in the Hereafter they will be among the losers" 3:85
Why is religion still being taken seriously in Pakistan ? Universities should be places where we ask difficult questions and open our minds using rational thinking, har jagha Mazhab kyon discuss horaha hai ? Its all man made , chahe woh Ghamdi ka Islam ho ya Taliban ka.
Okay Plato 2.0.. difficult question sun lo. If it's all man made then what about the man himself? What's your explanation of this universe? Gravity? 100 Billion + neurons?
Mera to khyal hai k universities me har ideology, har thought par BAAT honi chahye, chahe wo atheism ho, religion ho, science ho, arts ho... Is tara student ko genre pick krne me madad milti hai...
There are many questions that Hassan Ilyas can not answer. There are many questions that Hamza can not answer. There are many questions that Javed Ghamdi can not answer. Adam and Hawwa had their children. What did the children do to create more people. Can Hamza answer. Can Javed Ghamdi answer. Can Hassan Ilyas answer.
تیمور لال صاحب حسن الیاس صاحب کے ساتھ تو کافی بیٹھک ہو گئی پر قیصر احمد راجہ کافی عرصہ سے کہہ رہے ہیں کہ آجائیں آپ جاتے ہی نہیں بلکہ وہ تو کہتے ہیں کہ آپ کبھی بھی نہیں جائیں گے تو جائیے اور غلط ثابت کیجیے قیصر بھائی اور ان کے معتقدین کو یا پھر آپ اپنی شان کے خلاف سمجھتے ہیں کسی غیر سیکولر سے بات کرنا۔
@@DwindlingLampجی قیصر صاحب جیسے چھوٹے لوگوں پر آپ کے پیارے ڈاکٹر پرویز ھود بھوئے اور تیمور لال صاحب ویڈیوز بنا سکتے ہیں کمنٹس کر سکتے ہیں پر پوڈکاسٹ میں نہیں جاتے بلکہ پہلے والے محترم تو جاتے جاتے مکر گئے۔ 😅
So basically he is saying What Umar Ibn Khatab did for islam was not actually islam it was a wordly thing that has been going on in western and European societies since centuries.
@faizanaslam8687 ایسا ہی ہے، اللہ ﷻ کا شکر ہے کہ اُنہوں نے ہم کو نیم خودمختار بنا رکھا ہے ہمارے ممالک میں۔ ورنہ مسلمانوں کی کوئی حیثیت نہیں علم میں نہ عقل میں۔
Maulana Wahiduddin Khan was very accommodative of RSS in India. Their thoughts are totally silent about the challenges of RSS. The goal of RSS is to wipe out muslims. Pl elaborate how you are dealing with it...
Myry keyal ma Gamdi sab ky students ko asa bolna chiya. Ky Gamdi sab ny hamy Quran or Sunat sy jor dia . Nothing more .ham ab Gamdi Sab ky Mutaj ni han. Gamdi sab ab na b hu to koi msla ni ha. Wo respectable teacher han. Bot zeyda Gamdi Gamdi kro to pr asa lgta Gamdi sab ki prmotion ho rhe ha. Na ky Quran and Sunat ki .
Bhy un ki fikr par ghmidi ki zat ko lekar sawaalaat uthaatey hain molvi. Molvi bhi Quran o sunnat se judey hain. Jab sawaal uthta hay to wazaahat karni padti hay. Please count how many times Ghamidi sb was mentioned in Hasan bhy's lecture.
کتاب کو سمجھنے کیلئے عھد کو سمجھنا لازمی ہے تو پھر کتاب میں موجود زبان کی کیا حیثیت رہ جائے گی ؟عھد لازم قرار دی جاے تو اس عھد میں ھونے والے واقعیات کے ساتھ کیا ھوگا؟واقعیات ماخذ تصور ھونگے تو زبان کے بنیاد پر فکر کی تشریح کیسے ھوگی؟
وہ زبان بھی اُس عھد کی ہے۔ ہر واقعہ سے استدلال نہیں کیا جاتا۔ صرف ان واقعات سے استدلال کِیا جاتا ہے جو تاریخی حقیقت ہوتے ہیں۔ اِسی لیے غامدی صاحب کے نزدیک حدیثیں قطعی حجت نہیں ہیں، کیونکہ وہ لوگوں کے بیانات ہیں، جو کہ غلط بھی ہو سکتے ہیں۔
Sharam Ani chaye ap ko aisi bat krty hue Keh Islam Aqliyat aur iss k bara main Kuch btata hi ni.... Kuch prh k bat ....Quran aur Islam ki ghalti interpretation kr rhy hain
“Hakoomat islami ya gher islami hoti ha q k log usybnatay hen or logo ka religion hita ha values hoti hen” to bhai riyasat bhi to log hi mil kar bnatay hen…un ka religion hota ha…to riyasat islami ya gher islami q nahin ho skti…bari ajeeb bat ki hasan bhai ny
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Love this conversation! As someone questioning faith, I appreciate your thoughtful insights. Keep exploring, thanks!
A huge thanks for instilling in me love of philosophy, via your "A history of Philosophy" course. But, videos after aquinas are not available. Can you please reupload them on your youtube channel. I am referring to those lecture intended for lums students, but surfaced on youtube by elements prime.
I also need those lectures
Hassan's entire thesis is based on premise which has no ground reality in itself. And the rest is all story and conjecture build on top of a hypothetical faith based foundations. His entire conservation is deprived of serious intellectual integrity. Taimur seems like a smart person but I am amazed as to how Taimur has given so much intellectual space to his guests . I guess it's the culture pressure.
I beg to disagree.
@@SaadMakhdoom-g8l You have all the right to disagree. That is my whole point. We should have a culture where point of views can be challenged. Otherwise it's always on-sided.
When did he plead faith in this entire discussion ?? What he said is based on ground realities. What is written in the Quran is a reality. How language works is a reality. How Muslims degraded and changed over time is a very concrete historical reality.
Yar tum jayse log , maolvio ke baato ko sahee sabit kar rahey hotey ho , is tarah ke comments se , aor us ka tum ko ehsaas bhi nahi hota. Har baat me "faith" ya "iman" ko maolvi beech me ghusa detey hain. And you go along with it and hold "iman" responsible for everything.
@@DwindlingLamp You got me wrong. I am simple against religious apologists. And as far as what are ground realities and written reality, we need to base our understandings on solid historical facts and not on history which was written by victors 300 years after Islam.
@@SaadMakhdoom-g8lbhai I don’t think you know the complete Narrative of Farahi school of thought.
Or maybe you are not as much interested in religion debates as others . I’m sorry I’m not judging you
But these people are complete different and it slightly difficult to understand their methodology.
Bro you got Hassan Ilyas wrong
Our religious so called scholars, regardless any school of thought, never discuss universal human rights without distinguishing between Muslims and non-Muslims, or between minorities and majorities. In Pakistan, the issue of human rights violations isn't limited to minorities-it's a national concern affecting the entire population. Some scholars link human rights exclusively to minorities to create the impression that the majority's human rights are not an issue, often to serve their own interests.
Well said. True
so where does human rights come from? does it come from the UN who can't even stop the genocide in Gaza. or or comes from Allah and his messenger.
32:52 do this! best advice by Hamza Abbasi ... though they laughed over it but I can understand the frustration and despair he'd gone to do this
He passed css bro😮
Very good discussion. Just one point, as had been suggested earlier by Ghamidi sahab also, people who are not scholars shouldn’t open their mouth on Deen on public forums. In light of that, I’m not sure why a person like Hamza Abbasi (non scholar) speaking on deen. Doing discussions in private is something else, but he shouldn’t be speaking on deen in public. He can ask questions from scholars like Hassan Ilyas bhai, but not speak as if himself is a scholar.
God bless you Taimur Sir for arranging this session.
It was a deeply thought-provoking and thorough discussion presented in an open manner. Once I started the video, I couldn't stop until I had watched it all. The dedication of individuals like you, Ghamdi sb, to promote awareness and tolerance among people is truly admirable. ❤
Mind-blowing mind opening conversation.
All over 23 years RasoolAllah ﷺ fought many wars, why?
To establish an Islamic State,
Similarly was what Rashidun Caliphate,
Also Islam has it's own economic system...
If you don't understand, go read jurisprudence,
If Islam was only about Namaz, Zakat there was no need for Establishment of Caliphate
Those states and economic systems were in accordance with the objective conditions of those times. They were amazing. But now under capitalism, conditions have changed entirely. We need new solutions to modern problems. It is just that simple.
@@Taimur_Laal You mean Islam is out of syllabus now? Is it's system acceptable only for specific Era and when Time changes then it's not able to solve the modern problems? If it is then it shouldn't be called "A Divine Religion".
So its not that simple as you said.
@@hafizshaheen3616
"Also sexual intercourse with married women is forbidden to you - EXCEPT WITH YOUR ˹FEMALE˺ SLAVE GIRLS." AL Quran 4;24
It was narrated from Anas, that the Messenger of Allah had a FEMALE SLAVE WITH WHOM HE HAD INTERCOURSE, but Hadrat 'Aishah RA and Hadrat Hafsah RA would not leave him alone until he said that she was forbidden for him.
Then Allah, the Mighty and Sublime, revealed (in the Holy Qur'an):
"O PROPHET! WHY DO YOU FORBID (for YOURSELF) THAT WHICH ALLAH HAS ALLOWED TO YOU.' ...
Al-Qur’an 66:1 يَـٰٓأَيُّهَا ٱلنَّبِيُّ لِمَ تُحَرِّمُ مَآ أَحَلَّ ٱللَّهُ لَكَۖ تَبۡتَغِي مَرۡضَاتَ أَزۡوَٰجِكَۚ وَٱللَّهُ غَفُورٞ رَّحِيمٞ
Classification Sahih (Authentic) Nasai/36/3411
Narrated by Abu Huraira
While we were in the mosque, Allah's Apostle came out to us and said, "Let us proceed to the Jews." So we went along with him till we reached Bait-al-Midras (a place where the torah used to be recited and all the Jews of the town used to gather). The Prophet stood up and addressed them, "O Assembly of Jews! Embrace Islam and you will be safe!" The Jews replied, "O Aba-l-Qasim! You have conveyed Allah's message to us." The Prophet said, "That is what I want (from you)." He repeated his first statement for the second time, and they said, "You have conveyed Allah's message, O Aba-l-Qasim." Then he said it for the third time and added, "You should Know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to exile you from this land, so whoever among you owns some property, can sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle." (See Al Bukhari Hadith No. 392, Vol. 4)
Israel is now doing exactly that to the Palestinians today what our beloved Prophet did to them 1400 years ago.
So yes. It's out of syllabus now. Has been for centuries. The concept of Universal Human Rights and the Criminalization of SLAVERY by the UN have cruelly exposed the glaring reality of Islam.
@@hafizshaheen3616What i understood is that we need to evaluate as per current era under the light of Quran e hakim Furkan e hakim. But as long as the laws are concerned those must remain the same.
For example:
Today i can break my fast with maghrib prayer where it is advised to break the fast at the time of sunset. We all know maghrib prayer is being called at the time of sun set so i dont need to go to the rooftop to see if sun set happened or not.
@@iamusmanch you are right but read what @Taimur_Laal said he simply said k State ko Irreligious hona chahye, yha pr aa k masail khare hote ha.
Why don't you guys argue in front of Sahil adeem and qaisar Ahmed Raja????????
Because they’re jokers.
Hassan lyas and Hamza bhai are Great legends of the era 🎉🎉🎉🎉🙏🙏🙏🙏👏👏👏
Great talk, this is same work what Eng Ali Mirza doing but only difference is Hassan Bhai & Co say this then get on board for Dallas USA flight, whereas Eng Ali Mirza roaming around on his CD70 in Jhelum, brave man, we need people like them to talk with logic & reference. They are humans & can be wrong at a time 👌👏
Islam as "self care"(purification) is a good idea.
Superego in the culture of narcissism also a good.
Sir taimur SB we are studying your book in our study circle translated into Sindhi nazrayan Ji kahkashan by a sindhi translator
Hassan shb aap president k election k liye compete kr skte hayn US may? Kindly reply
US born person (everyone religion)is eligible for president
Hamza 38:55
What is the legal status of Ghamidi, Hassan Ilyas and their family in USA ?
I am confused. Because according to Hassan the majority will not agree on something wrong. Then according to this principal 2 billion followers of Christ are right or wrong? Or this principle only applies selectively to muslims? If it dose only apply to muslims only then it is not a universal rule. So there is a contradiction.
He's saying k established history muntaqil krne k mamle me aisa NAHI ho skta...
Mtlb k Bangladesh hum se alag huwa ye established history hai, Kal koi ye kahe k aisa NAHI hai, Pakistan aur Bangladesh pehle hi alag Thai, to koi ni maane ga...
Muslim, Christianity ki behas , tareekhi behas NAHI hai, ye narrative ki behas hai...aur narrative ki behas me mujhe ni lgta kbhi koi consensus ho skta hai...
Koi ni keh skta k Einstein, Galileo naami koi aadmi NAHI tha...q k ye established history ka hissa ban chuki hain...
@@muhammadhassan9809 Yes I agree what you are saying about established history. No one can deny the established history.
BUT, The argument is somewhat different. We are concerned about the spirit of the facts, and not the fact itself. My point is. Is it possible that majority can agree on a single point and be wrong about it. For example every one agrees on the fact that 1971 Pakistan was divided. But does every one agrees that it was the right thing to do. So my friend my point is , Even if majority agrees on a fact or fiction , it does not make it true or valid.
@@blue-y3r you are right bro but he's talking about totally different thing...
Wo yeh NAHI Keh Rahe k agr sab log ka aik nazariya hai to wo theek...
Agr pehle majority earth ko Solar system ka center maanti thi to iska ye mtlb ni k ye theek tha...
He's not talking about speculations he's talking about historical facts...
Pakistan and India alag huwe..
Koi inkaar ni kre ga, lekin kaya ye Sahi huwa ya ghalat har kisi ka jawab alag hoga...
He's talking about just history not the people's opinions about it...
yes majority doesn’t make it right and wrong bro
If Christian are in majority and they saying something/some belief, it doesn’t mean they are right.
If Muslims having some belief it doesn’t mean they are right
For example majority of Muslims belief that Essa as will come back, it doesn’t make them right.
Now you can make your question or confusion again
The point I wanted to make it here, but I will do after your view
Sir you should to invite Khalid mahmmod abassi for podcast he is also a prominent scholar of Islam
Sir i want to know if zizek is against postmodernism whyhis philosphy is based on primarly Jacques lacan work who is mainly postmodern ...plz answer sir
Zizek is sympathetic to Iran. Postmodernism questions even science. Islam can be metamodern
Mr Taimur, you can't have an intellectual conservation without contradicting point of views and arguments.
😅😅😅😅
No Question answers Dr. sb???
Shocking mind blowing ideas
sir i requested you to invite Qaisar ahmad raja on your podcast . i think you have no answer what qaisar bhai ask to you
@@brahmanasadmalik978 yes I have no answer to the argument that lungs produce oxygen.
قیصر دیشتگردوں کا فرنٹ مین ہے، اسکو بین کردینا چاہیے
@@Taimur_Laal Great answer Taimur bhai, never debate a stupid person as he will going to bring down you to his own level and beat you with experience.
Qaisar has the same intellectual level as Trump so there is no point in debating him. Although the intellectual level of the guests in this debate is not much higher but atleast within there limited sphere of thinking they tend to be more humane and liberal.
@@Taimur_Laal 🥰
QURAN 9:29
Fight those who do not believe in Allah and the Last Day, nor comply with what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden, nor embrace the religion of truth from among those who were given the Scripture,1 until they pay the tax,2 willingly submitting, fully humbled.
Same in Torah
ATHARVA VED
KAAND 12, SUKT 5, MANTRA 62
VED KI NINDA KARNE WALON KO MAAR DAAL, CHEER DAAL, KAAT DAAL, JALA DAAL, BHASM KAR DE.
Ye kis context me bola gaya wo bhi jan lety to behtar hota
Shayad tum ny na wo janny ki kishish ki na ye pori video dekhi
A very heart warming discussion. We need scholars like these to educate & enlighten the public.
It’s a great session but for young generation specially out side Pakistan,it is hard to understand pure Urdu . So can you pls upload with English subtitles. Thank you
Timur sab you are always ahead of people around us..❤ Thanks for the your sitting on religious topics.❤
Mera experience bhi same hai jesa Hamza Ali Abbasi sahab ka hai 😅
Good effort to make catchy show, though m not convinced Hamza’s point but still respect his view(personal state of mind). Also liked his Maula jatt amazing performance, Dr Saab ne ainvy “Nietzsche” explain karne me energy lagayi.
Tusi nahi smjhy but Hamza de thoughts is very rational
"I didn't convinced" 😂😂😂
@@ambers1002to isme itna khus hone ki kya bat hai bhai. Na ho convince or chahe ho bhi ja
@@baljindersingh-cn5bs tery convince hone ya hone se kia hojaye ga
@@ambers1002theek karwa liya kisi se😂
Ghamdi has trained him very well. Still, I hope that his views on the Muslim monarch Moavia are more sensible than those of his mentor
And by 'sensible' you mean that they should follow the typical shia cult myths instead of an independent view of history.
Not some modern lipstick translation of quran. Beating of women was in the translation uptil 1934 but now peopel are leaving islam becasue they think its sick so modern mulalhs make new meaning. Apart from this the verse seems to be written by someone of the thought process of khalil ur rehman qamar
Abdullah Yusuf Ali, The Holy Qur'an (1934):
Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband's) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all)
If you FEAR rebellion. Imagine a terrified husband.That is not a healthy family dynamic
It seems Ghamidi Sb's school of thought is compatible with Taimur Sb's ideology i.e socialism . Thats why we are seeing this collaboration
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Ghamidi school is one of the most staunch critics of communism.
@@zainulabideen7628 its irony because the guy criticizing an system i,e communism . says you are wrong and we dont have a system . .????
اگر پس منظر اتنا اہم ہے کہ اسکی بنیاد پر قرآن کی تشریح لازمی ہے اور پس منظر بدلنے سے قرآن کا حکم بدل جاتا ہے تو اللہ نے صحیح پس منظر کی حفاظت کا انتظام کیوں نہ کیا ؟ یہاں تک کہ صدیوں تک حکمران اسلام کو استعمال کر کے پوری دنیا پر ظلم کرتے رہے ۔ خدا نے ایسا کیوں گوارا کیا ؟
یہ بات کہنا کہ فراحی صاحب سے پہلے علما آیات کا پس منظر نہیں سمجھتے سمجھاتے تھے جھوٹ کے علاؤہ کچھ نہیں ۔ البتہ باقی چیزوں کی طرح پس منظر میں بھی اختلاف رہا ہے ۔ تو کیوں خدا نے صحیح پس منظر کو محفوظ نہ کیا ۔
مزید یہ کہ اگر انسان اتنا ناقص ہے کہ ایک ہی طرح کہ ذہن رکھنے والے انسان ایک ہی قسم کہ اصول و ضوابط کو استعمال کر کہ ایک ہی کتاب جو ایک اللہ نے لکھی ہے ایک تفسیر پر نہیں پہنچ پاتے تو ایسے انسان کو تفسیر کی اجازت ہی کیوں ہے ؟
یہ کس نے طے کیا ہے کہ غامدی صاحب کا طرز تفسیر حقیقتاً درست ہے ؟ باقیوں سے مختلف ہونا صحیح ہونے پر دلیل نہیں ۔ گزشتہ مفسر بھی کسی نہ کسی طرح باقیوں سے مختلف رہے ہیں ۔انکے ماننے والے غامدی صاحب کے ماننے والوں سے زیادہ ہیں ۔مختصر یہ کہ حسن صاحب دعویٰ رکھتے ہیں دلیل نہیں ۔
اِس لئے کہ یہ زندگی اور مرگ، امتحان ہیں۔ یہ کیا کوئی پی۔ایچ۔ڈی کرنے والی بات ہے کہ قرآن محمدﷺ نے دیا دنیا کو ؟؟ اور وہ قرآن میں مخاطَبین، اُس زمانے کے لوگ ہیں ؟ یہ بات تو عام علم ہیں، اِن کو "محفوظ" کرنے کی ضرورت نہین۔ لیکن کئی مرتبہ انسان کو عینک پہن کر عینک نظر نہیں آ رہی ہوتی۔ یہ ہوا ہے ہمارے مولویوں کے ساتھ۔ انسان چابی جیب میں رکھ کر چابی ڈھونڈ رہا ہوتا ہے۔ اُس کے لئے اللہ کو کچھ کرنے کی ضرورت نہیں، انسان کو اپنے جیب میں دیکھنے کی ضرورت ہے۔
@@DwindlingLamp
😂😂😂😂😂
اللّه قرآن میں فرماتے ہیں کہ میں نے یہ قرآن نازل کیا ہے اور میں ہی اس کی حفاظت کرنے والا ہوں۔ آپ کیسے کہ سکتے ہیں کہ اللّه نے اس کا ذمّہ نہیں لیا؟
All actors on one stage🎉😂
why does Allah swt has prescribed state laws then why prophet fought so many wars. Islam is there to make every ideology its subservient. May Allah guide us and make us those are on His path. Islam is there to conquer every aspect of life from individual to state thats why its a total submission. Peoples desires are way to nowhere but Hell, a heretic jew marx is more important at State then God and his religion how fool you have to be think this way. Life is not about ending poverty
God bless You We trust you
Allah hmary sath ghamidi sb ko bhi hidayat naseeb kry.
Qaisar bhai ny aik mukhlis try ki thi in k sath bat krny ki in logo k sath mgr in me itna sbr nhi.
munazara krne se bwhtar hai ap ye sara nuqtae nazar parh lein, aur wahan se disagreement krein
just youtube "secularism in Pakistan ghamidi"
there is a 15 minute video, start from there
@@alkkkkkk8369 shukria apki help k liy mgr me sun chuka hu already. Hassan bhai ny kha tha Fozan ahmed ki podcast mein k hmen clear kren to hm apna POV ko dobara dekhen gy. ab ye kisi se question hi nhi lety to kesy ye confusion door ho?
@@muhammadumeranwar3608 chalain phir ye relize ho gaya hoga k Ghamidi sb secularism as well as socialism k totally against hain aur uske against arguments dete hain.
jahan tak baat rahi jawabaat ki tou asl me almawrid ne ye tariqa institutionally adobt nahi kia k debates krein. they just present their POV, and do analysis of orthodoxy. Hasan bhai has a slightly different approach jis tarha unhi ne 23 questions ki episode mein vo saray counter questions jo qaiser bhai ya aur bhai krte hain unko bhi address kia hai .
khair ap almawrid lahore me chakay jaen tou apko jawab bhi mil jaegay jaisay mjhe mile, me khud aik sufi barelvi khandan se taluq rakhta hun per takrebaan saray sawalaat k jawab mil gaye hain mujhe.
khair ap counter narrative by ghamidi sb (10 part detailed video series) dekhein shayd koi aik do chezon k jawabaat mil jaen.
shukriya
@@muhammadumeranwar3608 chalain agr dekh chukay hain tou phir kamkam ye realize ho gaya hoga k Ghamidi sb secularism as well as socialism k totally against hain aur uske against arguments dete hain.
jahan tak baat rahi jawabaat ki tou asl me almawrid ne ye tariqa institutionally adobt nahi kia k debates krein. they just present their POV, and do analysis of orthodoxy. Hasan bhai has a slightly different approach jis tarha unhi ne 23 questions ki series mein vo saray counter questions jo qaiser bhai ya aur bhai krte hain unko bhi address kia hai .
khair ap almawrid lahore me chalay jaen tou apko jawab bhi mil jaegay jaisay mjhe mile, me khud aik sufi barelvi khandan se taluq rakhta hun per takrebaan saray sawalaat k jawab mil gaye hain mujhe.
khair ap counter narrative by ghamidi sb (10 part detailed video series) dekhein shayd koi aik do chezon k jawabaat mil jaen.
baki accept krna na krne mein tou ao azad hain, mein bhi aoni family mein do me se aik bhai ko qail kr ska hun aur baki sb vohi sufi practice follow krte hain. ye kam tou khair hmaray hath me hai bhi nahi k sb convince ho jaen ya agree ker lein ksi aik interpretation per
shukriya
@@muhammadumeranwar3608ap khud unko jo students hai in se baat kar ly. Hassan Ilyas se baat karna zruri nhi. Agar some questions hi karne hai tou I can make your contact with a person jo apk sawalo k jawab deny ki koshish kary gy
Ap daleel ly kar aein hum sar jhuka dein gy
13:15 what is this?
So untill Ghamidi and Farahi came along the Mussalmans were, for 1400 years misreading the Quran.
What you are really saying is that the Holy Book mohtaj hai Ghamidi ki.
@@TabiyaDar
apni zindagi me suni hui baato ko 1400 saal ke saarey musalmaano par mat chipkaao. The problems of the last 200 years are new. How can they be answered by the people 1400 years ago ???
amazing discussion great people
Religious apologism and dogmatism across the board. Well done on retention of your idols!
@@Heterodox01 it is religious reformism.
@@Taimur_Laal There is no place for reformism in your faith. If it were open to reforms, there would either be a ban on men's polygamy or an acceptance of a woman's polyandry. If it were open to reforms, stories like Lot's would be chucked out and there would be acceptance of homosexuality and transsexuality as a brain-arisen phenomenon that is influenced by genetics and epigenetics. If it were open to reforms, heads of the state and government and armed forces in Islamic countries would be any diverse individual of any race, ethnic, gender or sexuality. If it were open to reforms, your "enlightened" clergy would vehemently oppose underage marriages and denounce past acceptance of slavery, especially sexual slavery! The kind of yardstick you use to judge secular society or new identity politics shaping the world, if only you used that same yardstick to assess faith, would you not suffocate under the weight of your own hypocrisy and biases? You bear no definite position when it comes to either modern rational values or traditional outdated dogmas. Neutrality is the position of a cowardly simpleton! Enough of this reformative/revisionist bull! These buzzwords reek of nothing but hypocrisy.
@@Taimur_Laal
Unfortunately the very necessity of reform throws all claims of Divine Origins of the Message into the rubbish bin.
@@Heterodox01
He's being careful and in today's cultural climate I'd say that's wise.
@@behtereen4187 Careful is when you are a tight-lipped irreligious person or a mute atheist in a fanatic society like Pakistan. In his charade of discourse, Laal is advocating a version of faith that deceptively promotes an image of inclusivity, openness to change and executing social justice among diverse individuals. At least the clergy owns up to religion and are unwaveringly rigid to the idea of change which is an honest position that their faith encourages them to take. With people like Laal and Hamza Abbasi, you never know where you stand!
Islam is a religion of Allah. Quran, being the word of God, requires us to follow the Quran and the practice of the Prophet (Sunnah). Since Allah created diversity, it is imperative to have differences in understanding our faith. Mr. Hassan and Mr. Ghamdi has consistently ignored the Fiqh status of Fiqah Jafaria thus ignoring about 1/5th of Muslims. It is painful to mention, based on consistent teachings of Mr. Ghamdi, the hostile attitude towards Ahl-e-bait. To me this discredits him being a Muslim scholar. This may displease many but Mr. Ghamdi and his organization has brought so much pain and Disappointment to the followers of Ahl-e-bait.
@@hassanzaidi00 Truth is always painful for cult followers who have been brainwashed from childhood.
@ I am glad that you think you have the knowledge and authority to deliver such judgments. I pray Allah broadens you heart and intellect to show humility and compassion for decent.
@@hassanzaidi00 I think that is what cult followers need most. So hopefully aap ko Allah himat-e-kufur or jurat-e-tahkeek atta farmai ga.
@@hassanzaidi00 I am not familiar with his views on Shai thought. But that doesn't mean to say that he is absolutely wrong on everything.
@@Taimur_Laal you are absolutely correct. Mr. Ghamdi ‘s contribution to scholarship is appreciated. I have been following him for many years and admire him in many ways. However, his stance in certain theological and historical instances are controversial. Appreciate your comment. Regards.
20 saal pehlay 1 teacher nay kaha tha ghamidi k nazriyat se bch k rehna, Alhamdulillah aaj samjh aya q aesa kaha tha. Hamesha seculars k sath beyth k un ki marzi ka Islam smjhaen gay ye, kbhi Qaisar Ahmad Raja jese bndon k saamne bhi beythayn
Sir we are studying your book in our study circle translated into Sindhi nazrayan Ji kahkashan by a sindhi translator
when you believe in Allah's book then you follow what it says - its the word of Allah
😂Your words, tone, and body language expose your true intentions-you are clearly working with an agenda to undermine Islam. It’s evident that you harbor deep-seated hostility towards our faith and are dedicated to spreading this animosity.
But let me remind you, no amount of scheming or animosity can shake the foundation of Islam. The truth stands firm, and your actions only reveal your own emptiness. Islam has faced and overcome adversaries far greater than you, and it will continue to thrive, no matter how hard you try to oppose it
Yes you are right most people don't have the ability to think critically and therefore religions and people like Trump will not go away and continue to thrive. “Never underestimate the power of human stupidity.” hence maulvis like you should have no worries be happy.
Spot on Bro, this guy has been at this game for months. The theme of recent videos, last 6 months clearly indicates he is working with an agenda, supporting relaxation in deen and providing preform to people who have been doing it for ages. No reason to believe that they are sincere about matters of deen.
They basically say what people like to hear, by giving it another twist.
body language? Why are you maulvis enjoying bodies of men. You should be ashamed of yourself.
Another useless comment from a tablighi maulvi.
@@omarkhan3256brother with all due right call it a useless comment, just hope that you don’t fall in blind following, ensure that you are taking the right guidance, everyone is responsible for their own aa’mal, all the best brother.
MashaAllah ❤💐😇
I deeply respect Hamza’s journey and his right to explore his beliefs. However, I’m not convinced by his so-called ‘transformation’ back to religion. Often, people find comfort in returning to deeply held beliefs and values instilled in childhood, naturally wanting to please loved ones and align with societal norms. That desire is understandable and can offer genuine psychological relief, especially when life brings inevitable challenges and pains.
Having had a similar background to his, I found myself in the same position many years ago. As a medical scientist, you’re forced to confront assumptions, and more often than not, attempts to confirm what you want to believe don’t hold up to scrutiny. I went through a journey much like his and emerged with utmost sincerity but without being convinced. To truly believe, one often has to set aside critical questions and the pursuit of objective truth. Just because we can’t answer every question today doesn’t mean we should fill in the gaps with faith. Doing so can undermine the scientific enterprise and, ultimately, human progress.
Though, psychologically, I would concede that these faith-based ideas indeed are comforting to me in difficult times.
Thank you for your detailed note. I think in his case, the entire process also has something to do with his lifestyle as a celebrity.
@@Taimur_Laal@Taimur_Laal I like your videos there is a lot to learn. I have noticed you did not asked them counter questions which i do understand would take discussion to a different path and would not served the purpose you are trying achive however, I do beleive you also have that im mind that people who listens to your video would learn and ask cretical qiestion. For instance when he said that Hazrat Adam a.s was the 1st human and propet to tell people about the Concept of God Almighty were people that time smart enough to understand the concept of GOD. If he was the 1st person on earth then who he was preching to? Did Quran said that Hazrat Adam a.s was the 1st human bei
@@Taimur_Laal@Taimur_Laal I like your videos there is a lot to learn. I have noticed you did not asked them any counter questions which i do understand would take discussion to a different path and would not served the purpose you are trying to get . However when he said that Hazrat Adam a.s was the 1st peraon and propet to tell people about the Concept of God Almighty were people at that time smart enough to understand the concept of GOD. If he was the 1st person on earth then who he was preching to? Thanks a lot I really appreciate your efforts.
@ in all my years, I never once thought of that question. It is a difficult question to answer. Thanks for your feedback.
@hamidkhan1280 Salam bro, Adam A.S and Hawwa A.S, both were sent together to planet earth from Jannah's constellation.
So Human beings started their journey in CLUSTER and not as single individual
What a discussion sir ❤ total enlightenment ❤
عراق کی زمینوں کا واقعہ ایک بہت بڑی مثال ہے حضرت عمر کا بیت المقدس کی فتح بھی ایک بہت بڑی مثال ہے جس میں اقلیتوں کے ساتھ سلوک کو واضح کیا گیا ہے
O sarkaar, us waqt Muslims aqalliyet me they, in numbers and strength. Iraq was pas part of sananid persia. Bayt ul muqaddas was part of the Byzantine Roman empire. Even the armies were smaller, let alone common population.
The were maftooheen, not aqalliyeat. History ko present ki lens se mat dekho. Puraaney zamaaney me aaj ke ideas ghused ke kuch samajh me nahi ayega.
@@DwindlingLamp Hahaha Aap ki baat ko bara kar dete hain Muslims aqliyat me thy to kya tab bhi Usool o zawabit rawaiya nahi rakha gaya us waqt logon ki ibadat gahon ko tabha karna jangi usoolon me hota tha magar Hazrat Umar ne Girja ghar ki chabiyan lene se inkar kar dia tha or kaha tha Me Bahar namaz parhonga.
@@DwindlingLamp Present me aap me ky pas kya misaal hai?? Agar history se aap ko اختلاف hai?
@@gamerzone3427
History se tum ikhtilaaf kar rahey ho, may nahi. Muslims ne jerusalem ka muhaasarah kar ke rakha tha. Un ke religious leaders ne *surrender ke liye Umar RA se milney ki maang kee thi, tab *surrender kiya tha unho ne , maftooheen kee haysiyat se... Muslims were a minority when compared to sasani and roman territories. It took several centuries for the areas of today's Iran, syria and Iraq to become majority muslim. Islam spread faster in major cities of persia and slowly in village areas. All of this is documented.
@@DwindlingLamp so what do you wana prove??
سارے ہم حیال لوگ ہیں یہ تو سراسر زیادتی ہے ایک بندہ تو مخالف سوچ والا بلاتے جیسے قیصر احمد راجہ صاحب تو پتہ چلتا حق کیا ہے.
RCM
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Alhamdullillah Qaisar Ahmad raja sir ney is video ko counter kia Hein wo b zaruri dekhe and Mr Taimoor plz have a debate with Qaisar Ahmad raja.
شُکر اُس رَب کا کہ جس نے مُجھ ناچیز کو استادِ محترم غامدی صاحب اور اُستادِ محترم وحید الدین خان صاحب جیسی عظیم نعمتوں سے نوازا! 😍 💕
Hamza Ali abasi aik zaheen insan hain😇
ہر اچھائی میں اچھائی نہیں ہوتی
بلکہ ہر سچائی میں اچھائی ہوتی ہے
51:00 دین میں آپ کیسے رائے دے سکتے ہیں؟؟؟
آپ لوگ دین میں چور دروازہ کھول رہے ہو کہہ رہے ہیں کہ نعوذ باللہ قرآن جو نبی کریم صلی اللہ علیہ وسلم پر اترا اور جن صحابہ کرام نے سمجھا وہ غلط تھا
Oye hoye hoye hoye! Shocking baat ker di hai :D
سوال یہ ہے کہ اس عمل پر اتفاق کیوں نہیں کہ ہاتھ کھول کر یا باندھ کر اور اگر باندھ کر تو کس مقام پر ہاتھ باندھ کر نماز پڑھی جاے- ایسا کیوں ہوا جبکہ حضور نے 23 سال یہ عمل مختلف مقامات پر کیا لیکن مسلمانوں میں اس عمل پر اتفاق نہیں کہ حضور(ص) نے ہاتھ کھول کر یا باندھ کر اور اگر باندھ کر تو کس مقام پر ہاتھ باندھ کر نماز پڑھی- - آج کا مسلمان یہ پوچھنے پر حق بجانب ہے کہ ایسا کیوں ہوا اور دین کے اس اہم رکن میں کیوں تفرقہ پڑا، سوچیے! نیز، اس سے یہ پتہ چلا کہ دودھ میں کتنا پانی ملایا گیا- یہ اہم نقطہ ہے کیونکہ پھر سوال یہ پیدا ہوتا ہے کہ جب ایک عمل جو اتنی دفعہ کیا گیا اس کا یہ حال ہے تو اور احادیث کا کیا حال ہوگا- اہل بیت کا در کھلا ہے جس پر کوئ بھی آسکتا ہے- مزید براں، اہل بیت میں دینی معملات میں کوئ اختلاف نہیں-
I want to know if Prophet Adam was from Neanderthals or Homo Spaiens?
Or perhaps Adam was a Denisovan
He was the first enlightened homo sapien. Quran never mentions Adam as first human.
@khurramsajjad5296 Salam bro, you want answer from evolutionary world view or Allah's world view ?
They don't let me enter 😞 in lums
I also want to meet sir Timur since I became to know about him and listened his philosophy series
too good taimur sb this is your best vlog imo
What a discussion ❤❤❤❤
truer words have never been spoken "maulvion ko kisi kaam par lagayain".
Nice 👍
Fancy words and sentences but make no sense .
Because you don't understand them.
لوگوں کو الجھا دو الفاظ کے پھیروں میں تاکہ وہ یہ جان ہی نہ سکیں ان سے واردات کیا ہوئی ہے
@@faizanaslam8687
اپنی کم علمی اور احساسِ کمتری کو چھپانے کے بہانے ہیں یہ ، اور کچھ نہیں
@@DwindlingLamp because they are unable to teach what they thought and what they want to deliver. They are only criticise other islamic scholers and tell they are true this is not true before proof.
@@HKP..PP160
Ample proof was given. If people want to ignore it , it's not their fault.
Me recommend karta hu ke Qaiser ahmed raja ko bhi suno. En jese secular logo ke liye nightmare he qaiser sahab. Ye sab misinform misguide aur mislead karte hain. Please please apna iman bachao
Please invite Qaisar Ahmad Raja in your podcast. Apni pasand k narratives k sath beth k propaganda kerna to easy hy. Why not have a real discussion? So many misleading things in this discussion but Alhamdulillah that we have real knowledge intact to get guidance from. For anyone watching this, DO NOT WORRY AT ALL, Islam ka pura nizaam available hai. Do follow real knowledgeable people and learn Islam from the real sources. May Allah SWT guide us all. Ameen
hahahahahhah This advice from someone named doodlemind who wants to invite a doodlebrain to the program and the bit about 'islam ka pura nizaam available hai' is priceless. Please don't stop we need something to laugh at in these depressing times.
@@omarkhan3256
😂😂😂😂
Look how some blind minded got triggered. Taumur lal will never invite bcz he can't talk who oppose him logically. Its easy to talk with people where "meetha meetha hap hap, karwa karwa thoo thoo"
@@Normalguy21 Another gem of English language by a follower of Raja Maulvi. "Blind minded got triggered". I am going to recommend OED to include this phrase in their next edition. The followers of Raja maulvi are even funnier than him. Please post more comments.
@@omarkhan3256Mr Oxfordian whats your point though .......blind folded or blind minded mean you liberal are just insane talking illogically without reasoning bulshitting around ...beating about the bush ...ghamdi's followers ;ilyas and engineer and that kind of species will discuss things with atheist and liberals but will never meet with people like qaisar so on and so forth
Dr Taimur Rehman, pls DONT invite ppl like Qaiser Raja
zabardast as always!
Farahi school of thought is the need of the hour for muslim ummah. We need to go back to sources of deen
Hassan ilyas sahab ne kaha deen minorities k baray me koi baat nahi krta. Is pr mazhabi tabqa aitraz me quran ki wo ayaat la skta hy jisme mushrikeen ko qatal. Aur ehle kitab ko maghluub krke unse jizya lene ka hukam dia gya hy. Jo qanoon Allah k rasul k lie khas hy k wo aa k apne mukhatibeen pr saza o jaza ka faisla qaim krta hy. Ye hukam bhi usi context me rasul k addresses k lie hi tha. Hmare ulma us hukam ko aj k non muslims pr implement krte hain aur unko second grade citizens mantay hain. Halanke un ehkaam ka ta'alluq aj k non muslims se bilkul bhi nhi hy. Quran k ehkaam ko islie context me rkh k smjhna bht zaruri hy
@@MuhammadAhmed-xy5iu
اُس وقت مسلمان اقلیت میں تھے، مشرکین نہیں۔ یہی تو معجزہ ہے رسول اللہ کا۔
Farahi Sahab ka pehla jawab he unky ilam pe sawaliya nishan hai shaid unhy dobara tareekh ka rujoo karna paray ga Meesaq e Madina ko or سورۃ الحشر ko parhny ki zarorat hai
Meesaaq e madina ke baad ,yahood ko nikaal kahey ko diya tha phir ?? That wasn't a constitution, just an agreement. A constitution is also a social agreement actually but on a much larger scale.
If you look at the past with the lenses of the present period , you are bound to make enormous errors.
@DwindlingLamp My dear, Meesaq e madina ki khilaf warzi karny k baad unko nikala tha it was a agreement they were punished due to violation of contract between Muslims and others.
Hassan ilyas sahab ne kaha deen minorities k baray me koi baat nahi krta.
Is pr mazhabi tabqa aitraz me quran ki wo ayaat la skta hy jisme mushrikeen ko qatal. Aur ehle kitab ko maghluub krke unse jizya(tax) lene ka hukam dia gya hy. Jo qanoon Allah k rasul k lie khas hy k wo aa k apne mukhatibeen pr saza o jaza ka faisla qaim krta hy. Ye hukam bhi usi context me rasul k addresses k lie hi tha. Hmare ulma us hukam ko aj k non muslims pr implement krte hain aur unko second grade citizens mantay hain. Halanke un ehkaam ka ta'alluq aj k non muslims se bilkul bhi nhi hy. Quran k ehkaam ko islie context me rkh k smjhna bht zaruri hy
آپ ان سے یہ بھی سول کرتے۔
"قرآن اللہ کا ہی کتاب/کلام ہے، ثبوت کیا ہے؟
محمد اللہ کے واقعی رسول ہیں، ثبوت کیا ہے؟
ہم کہیں اندھی تقلید اور عقیدت میں بغیر ثبوت اس بات کی گواہی تو نہیں دے رہے جس کے گواہ ہم ہیں ہی نہیں؟"
سائنسی تناظر میں بھی قرآن کی ہر ایک بات گریک،میسوپوٹیمیا،بابلین،مصر اور چائینیز تہزیبیں جو کچھ قرآن میں لکھا ہے بہت پہلے سے جانتی تھیں۔
قبل مسیح کے فلاسفرز/سائنسدانوں کی لسٹ موجود ہے۔ اس وقت کے قرآنی علم کی کڑیاں قرآن سے ہزار سال پرانے دور میں بھی مل جائیں گی۔
@@Hazrat-e-Insaan jawab mil jata tu kia karty ap pher?
@@Hazrat-e-Insaan ap Hosla Karyn... Quran ke study Karyn pher bat Karyn "har aik baat" Jo purane tahzeb main Hain
Big Bang ka Zikar?
Embryological stages?
Uniqueness of fingerprints.?
Chromosomal pairs?
Reflection of moon light?
Cerebral cortex as ultimate decision making part.?
Preservation of Quran?
Specific Path for Each Celestial Body?
+ + More.
So, don't be blind follower. Do a detailed study of Quran.
@@digitaltabseer Orr aap ko is ka jawab mil Jai to phir?
@@digitaltabseer I have studied Quran and it's scientific claims are either false or are general statements that have nothing to do with science.
@@omarkhan3256 jawab hamen milen hoe hain jitne Kafi hain...
"Whoever seeks a way other than Islam, it will never be accepted from them, and in the Hereafter they will be among the losers"
3:85
MashAllah❤️
Why is religion still being taken seriously in Pakistan ? Universities should be places where we ask difficult questions and open our minds using rational thinking, har jagha Mazhab kyon discuss horaha hai ? Its all man made , chahe woh Ghamdi ka Islam ho ya Taliban ka.
Okay Plato 2.0.. difficult question sun lo.
If it's all man made then what about the man himself?
What's your explanation of this universe?
Gravity?
100 Billion + neurons?
Mera to khyal hai k universities me har ideology, har thought par BAAT honi chahye, chahe wo atheism ho, religion ho, science ho, arts ho...
Is tara student ko genre pick krne me madad milti hai...
There are many questions that Hassan Ilyas can not answer. There are many questions that Hamza can not answer. There are many questions that Javed Ghamdi can not answer. Adam and Hawwa had their children. What did the children do to create more people. Can Hamza answer. Can Javed Ghamdi answer. Can Hassan Ilyas answer.
You think science and art are not man made ? Democracy is also man made .
@@digitaltabseer Bongay 1.0 he is talking about ideologies not material things.
Well said hassan bhai
Hasan illyas jyse mufakir darul uloom karachi k bahar nali nihari bechte hai
تیمور لال صاحب حسن الیاس صاحب کے ساتھ تو کافی بیٹھک ہو گئی پر قیصر احمد راجہ کافی عرصہ سے کہہ رہے ہیں کہ آجائیں آپ جاتے ہی نہیں بلکہ وہ تو کہتے ہیں کہ آپ کبھی بھی نہیں جائیں گے تو جائیے اور غلط ثابت کیجیے قیصر بھائی اور ان کے معتقدین کو یا پھر آپ اپنی شان کے خلاف سمجھتے ہیں کسی غیر سیکولر سے بات کرنا۔
بڑے لوگوں کو بلایا جاتا ہے، وہ ملاقاتوں کی بھیک نہیں مانگتے، وہ بھی سارے جہاں کے سامنے۔
@@DwindlingLampجی قیصر صاحب جیسے چھوٹے لوگوں پر آپ کے پیارے ڈاکٹر پرویز ھود بھوئے اور تیمور لال صاحب ویڈیوز بنا سکتے ہیں کمنٹس کر سکتے ہیں پر پوڈکاسٹ میں نہیں جاتے بلکہ پہلے والے محترم تو جاتے جاتے مکر گئے۔ 😅
معذرت ایک اور ایڈ کرنا بھول گیا انجینئر صاحب بھی جو شاگردوں کے ذریعے مخولیاں بنواتے ہیں پر سامنے بات نہیں کرتے
او بھئی کہاں سے ایسی سوچ آتی ہے؟
اسلام میں شوری کا تصور ہے جس میں قابل لوگوں کی رائے لی جاتی ہے نا کہ جمہور کی
51:42 یعنی آپ کے نزدیک قادیانی اور احمدی مسلمان ہیں؟
اور یا اللہ ڈاکٹر عبدالحئی صاحب نے اپنی کتاب میں جو نظام بیان کیا ہےاس کو بھی نافذ کر دے(43:08) 🤣🤣🤣
Kisi Traditionalist ya fundamentalist k sath bhi bethayn kbhi Hassan shb, ta k jb aap ko opposition face ho tou pta lage kitna sach bol rhe hayn
So basically he is saying What Umar Ibn Khatab did for islam was not actually islam it was a wordly thing that has been going on in western and European societies since centuries.
jb hm hkoomat ni kreyn gy to koi or kry ga. koi or ku kry ga hm ku ni?
Hukoomat karney ke qabil hongey to khud hi kar lengey, hukoomat karney ki bheek nahi maangni padey gi.
ان کے مطابق ہم جنگلی ہیں صرف چٹی چمڑی ہی پڑھی لکھی ہے
@faizanaslam8687
ایسا ہی ہے، اللہ ﷻ کا شکر ہے کہ اُنہوں نے ہم کو نیم خودمختار بنا رکھا ہے ہمارے ممالک میں۔ ورنہ مسلمانوں کی کوئی حیثیت نہیں علم میں نہ عقل میں۔
(Deen kin sy lena hai? Allah ki Kitaab aur Ahlul Bait a.s.)
Please don't miss lead the innocent peoples.
Innocent people are misled by the shia clergy by fabricating this Ahlul Bait mythology. You won't understand this because you are part of a cult.
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لغت کا حصول بھی تاریخ سے ہوگا سیاق و سباق کا بھی تو پھر اصل تو آپ نے بھی تاریخ کو بنا لیا قرآن تو پیچھے کر دیا۔
logical
قرآن کے نزول کے زمانے اور اُس سے پہلے کی تاریخ، اُس کے بعد کی نہیں۔
میرے مسلمان ہونے کی ایک ہی وجہ ہے اور وہ غامدی صاحب ہیں۔
بڑی شخصیت کی عزت اپنی جگہ پر میری رائے میں شاید آپ شخصیت پرستی کی اور جا رہے ہیں۔ تھوڑا غور کیجئے گا۔
میڈل دیں کیا آپ کو اس کا؟ ٹھیک ہے بھائی مسلمان ہوئے یا نہیں ہوئے یا کیسے ہوئے ہمیں کیا اس سے 😂
Bahi pir AAP muslaman e Gandía Ho .
Na key AAP key key
Gamdia
Nakey allaha key
دین میں عورت کی گواہی کے کا حکم اللہ اور اس کے رسول کی طرف سے ہے
Maulana Wahiduddin Khan was very accommodative of RSS in India. Their thoughts are totally silent about the challenges of RSS. The goal of RSS is to wipe out muslims. Pl elaborate how you are dealing with it...
Myry keyal ma Gamdi sab ky students ko asa bolna chiya.
Ky Gamdi sab ny hamy Quran or Sunat sy jor dia . Nothing more .ham ab Gamdi Sab ky Mutaj ni han.
Gamdi sab ab na b hu to koi msla ni ha.
Wo respectable teacher han.
Bot zeyda Gamdi Gamdi kro to pr asa lgta Gamdi sab ki prmotion ho rhe ha.
Na ky Quran and Sunat ki .
Bhy un ki fikr par ghmidi ki zat ko lekar sawaalaat uthaatey hain molvi. Molvi bhi Quran o sunnat se judey hain. Jab sawaal uthta hay to wazaahat karni padti hay. Please count how many times Ghamidi sb was mentioned in Hasan bhy's lecture.
True
کتاب کو سمجھنے کیلئے عھد کو سمجھنا لازمی ہے تو پھر کتاب میں موجود زبان کی کیا حیثیت رہ جائے گی ؟عھد لازم قرار دی جاے تو اس عھد میں ھونے والے واقعیات کے ساتھ کیا ھوگا؟واقعیات ماخذ تصور ھونگے تو زبان کے بنیاد پر فکر کی تشریح کیسے ھوگی؟
وہ زبان بھی اُس عھد کی ہے۔ ہر واقعہ سے استدلال نہیں کیا جاتا۔ صرف ان واقعات سے استدلال کِیا جاتا ہے جو تاریخی حقیقت ہوتے ہیں۔ اِسی لیے غامدی صاحب کے نزدیک حدیثیں قطعی حجت نہیں ہیں، کیونکہ وہ لوگوں کے بیانات ہیں، جو کہ غلط بھی ہو سکتے ہیں۔
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Fruitful discussion 💯
Sharam Ani chaye ap ko aisi bat krty hue Keh Islam Aqliyat aur iss k bara main Kuch btata hi ni....
Kuch prh k bat ....Quran aur Islam ki ghalti interpretation kr rhy hain
aap ki photo dekh kay he patta chal jata hai kay Islam Aqliyat kay baray may kya rai rekhta hai.
محترم آپ کی باتوں سے یہ لگتا ہے کہ
انڈیا میں کشمیر پر ظلم جائز ہے
فلشطین پر اسرائل کا ظلم جائز ہے
کیوں کہ وہ لوگوں کا قانون چل رہا ہے،
“Hakoomat islami ya gher islami hoti ha q k log usybnatay hen or logo ka religion hita ha values hoti hen” to bhai riyasat bhi to log hi mil kar bnatay hen…un ka religion hota ha…to riyasat islami ya gher islami q nahin ho skti…bari ajeeb bat ki hasan bhai ny