I like that this kid asked these questions. I know people would think that he got “roasted” or something from this teacher but the guy asked questions, got answers and learned something. Hopefully he goes places in life.
That's why people slack off at work. Being good and efficient only leads you to getting more work compared to others with the same payment. Most company don't recognize efforts anyway.
Saw this tiktok that said at work the prize for finishing the pie eating contest is just more pie - meaning, you get no reward, only more work. So might as well take your time and just meet deadlines
Exactly once I charged this lady 60 to clean her house in an hour and she said why I deserve to be paid 60 for an hour of work😂I told her you’re not paying me hourly you’re paying me based on the amount of work that I’m doing! I’m just efficient enough to do it quickly
Casual staff literally get paid more money the more hours they work. That's why being better at your job makes more sense, because more hours = more pay. Of course, if your pay was a fixed rate no matter how much you worked, I'd understand where you're coming from.
Yup! I went from working the Deli to becoming the supervisor for the Bakery in a year. I didn't realize that I'd have to do the managers work too while they sat there "going over numbers" Feeling under appreciated is one thing. Being taken advantage of is another.
My art projects that we were supposed to do in class over a long period of time made it hard for me to focus on it. But when I get to take it home I can get it done in one night.
Hourly rate: Yeah I’m working on it, might take a while though Set Salary per year: Yeah I’m on it, I’m not staying late though Earning a Commission: It’s done
They're all trade offs in quality VS speed. Commission is the lowest quality one, you are punished for putting in extra time to the product because you are being paid a set amount and unlike yearly you can make more money the less time you spend on something. It does also incentives you to learn how to get better for faster throughput and thus more money, but you can make similar "but..." Arguments for the other 2.
@@theclingyfox7899 no you can't 😆. Salary is over/under, hourly/ under, commission/ is balanced makes you improve in order to do more sell more. It's pretty simple. Especially if you've worked all 3 before
@@theclingyfox7899 None of that is true. Your description of salary is what it looks like on paper, but the reality is that anyone working a salaried position is oftentimes required to work a minimum that's over the standard 40 hours a week. Additionally, salaried jobs typically come with significantly more responsibilities than those of hourly workers, i.e. management. With commission, you have more control over how much you actually work. While it's heavily dependant on you being hired for a specific job, you also have the ability to turn away work, make your own hours and pay rates, and prioritize work flow. You get none of that with salary as your employer dictates your entire work schedule.
Exactly why I do my own repairs now. Guys line you charge 500-1000 for replacing a timing belt like it's extroardinary lmao. Did the same thing at 20% the cost
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Time is money, but talent, effort, intelligence, craftsmanship it’s also money. It’s a combination of a lot of things what determines price and it changes for every business.
@@novakitty1619 you must be new to the work force. Companies will actually deny you employment if you’re over qualified. They’ll tell you that they don’t feel this would be best for your career and can’t employ you but wish you luck
Time is much more valuable than money. hourly wages should be removed. People should receive a percentage of the company's profits based on their position and receive bonuses based on hitting personal targets. People working for themselves need to charge what they feel comfortable charging. The free market will decide how successful they are based on the value they provide.
As somebody who’s run a relatively successful business the last 3 years, I have to say you are so consistently on the money with your analogies. I don’t believe I’ve ever seen somebody put these business principles into such a clear context. As a businessman, I feel these things and know they make sense in my brain, but articulating them to myself or rather… to a client proves to be a whole different challenge. The way you articulate the logic behind these concepts is artistic, and I learn from every video you post. Thank you for putting all this out there, it is golden
The market decides not you. How can this not be cristal clear. If you do a job faster than another you can top the market. And get more money as you work faster. The most important thing is that price needs to be set up in advance. So if you are at top price, you allready need to have established a name for yourself, have references. So as you progress in your field and can give good service and people know about it than you can go up. Would you pay an unknown guy topnotch if he said he's so. I highly doubt that if you're a businessman...
I make $43 an hour soon it will be $46 an hour and i can tell you absolutely in my situation, i am a machinist and for me the saying the more you make the less you do it so true. I work at a refinery not the safest place though but I live a comfortable life and this company is even paying for me to finish my mechanical engineering degree.
Agree a set price and time limit with different types of logo. If peron does what you want day one that better for your company image that is going to be protected. Not a good scenario to use!
No. I'm not paying for the time it took to make the product and I'm not paying for the workers experience, I'm paying to get the highest quality product available and if I have to pay for the work or for the workers experience, I will not be buying the product at all, because that means I'm paying premium for the work done, not the quality of the product. You should be paying for the quality of the product not for the work it took to make it and not for the experience of the worker that made it. What's the point of paying a premium if a professional worker with 50 years of experience can't make a better product than a newcomer worker with 2 months of experience? You guys are all brainwashed by these videos...
That's why exchange of time for money is the biggest mistake to generating wealth. Even if you did max out your energy you're still capped at 24 hrs a day. 16 in the US legally. Hourly doesn't work if you have in demand skills
When a professional does something for you quickly in 10 minutes, you're not paying for the 10 minutes, you're paying for the 10 years they've been doing that skill to perfect it in such a way.
Exactly its like asking a watch maker to make an amazing piece of a watch in under 2 hours then paying him only 200 dollars for the job he did when in reality the watchmaker had to work with complicated micro pieces, was pressured, and still managed to make the watch work for you. Your paying for the years of experience he has had.
Most of them don't think like that If you're fast they'll gonna squeeze you out utilizing you of your limits cause it's an hourly job I burned out as a designer doing in house job Even freelancing is mostly the same if you're not a well known designer, they're just gonna utilize your skills just to justify the pay that you already showcase by being fast "But i would also ask, why would it take that long to make a logo?" As a designer making a Logo takes time, effort and research If the client is fickle it'll take longer Making a logo takes about hundreds of variations not including the revisions Sometimes they always had a change of mind about the color, position and worst the whole thing So making it hourly and you're a fast designer, they'll just gonna utilize your skill to it's limits thinking they need to justify the time spent and the amount they're paying making you a template designer not a concept artist So asking "why did it take a long time" is quite the irony
“I’m not charging you for the ten minutes it took for me to do this task, I’m charging you for the ten years it took for me to learn to do this task in 10 minutes”
Right I think people should start to get payed for how much work they do rather then time put in if someone works there ass off to do a good job regardless of job they should be payed more
This has been around for so long now. Actually be good at your job and then all of a sudden you're carrying everybody's weight but still get paid the same or sometimes even less than your peers.
That's why there should be ways to grow within a company by your quality of work, attitude , skills etc. Unfortunately in recent years places like Walmart Amazon excetera got rid of incentives to want to grow. Reason being it was determined racist or some other nonsense. (Why this guy get promoted and I didnt? Must be race because he was here for 1 year less then me. Its not the fact he works ot and does his job better... Heaven's no) So now if you work at Walmart there is no reason to put in that extra effort. It reminds me of China. Workers in China will not do any extra work or go the extra mile for anything. They know everyone has the same pay, everyone has the same benefits, everyone has the same vacation time and no ones climbing anything. It's honestly quite depressing not seeing anyone care to stand out. Sad America is turning into this.
This reminds me of the story where Picasso drew someone's picture for them super fast. They asked why he was charging so much, it only took five minutes. He said, "No, it took me a lifetime."
Well then take your skill somewhere else and if no one else is willing to pay you more. Then sorry your skill is not as valuable and rare as you thought it was.
As a professional window cleaner this concept hits home. I work hard and efficiently and I make it look easy so people don’t think I should be charging what I do.
Bro lol I'm a window cleaner as well and was thinking the exact same thing. I charge by the job and I always hear " wow that was quick" and I always tell them " well I've been doing it for 20 years"
Same, spray foam insulation and we knock out 4k to 6k jobs in a day, typically they love and see the hard labor it takes to get the correct ane nice work done but I know some feel they get screwed thinking 1 day and it costed that much!
1. Skilled labor isn’t cheap and cheap labor isn’t skilled. 2. You pay me for my knowledge, not my time. Those two things have stuck with me for years already.
@@grimice415 it is to a point. People have a perceived value of those products, and that's why people will pay it. There is still a cap at what people are willing to pay. If no one is buying the products, they would have to lower the price.
My uncle worked as a handy man and he didn’t charge per hour. He charged based on the end result. Example: He might charge $200 to tile a bathroom floor. Whether it took him 1 hour or 4 wasn’t important. He wouldn’t be punished for installing it quicker but it also gave him and his employees an incentive to not slack off as his hourly earnings would continue to diminish the longer it took. $200/hr for 1 hour, $100/hr for 2 hours, $50/hr for 4 hours etc. His company also had a workmanship guarantee so as to avoid the issue of his workers potentially doing a terrible job to go as quick as possible.
@@kjcorder As an aviation, auto, and bicycle mechanic people scoff at the cost of maintenance. We get paid not for just our time, but our expertise to 1)be able to do it in the first place and 2)do it right the first time. And there is no "labor cost book" as an independent mechanic. I charge for parts, shop costs, and finally my labor/expertise. The last part is where people balk.
@@MS-pw8yu they haven't been burned yet then. I will gladly pay for experience. Especially after saving a buck and getting screwed or saving a buck trying to diy it and getting in way over my head. But I also do as much research as I can on the mechanic/shop to validate for myself and justify the cost eventhough I already know it's worth it. Peace of mind is priceless though.
When I worked at McDonald's, my friend told me I get paid by the hour, not by the burger. That's when I realized how much hourly pay doesn't incentivize hard work
I work at McDonald's now. I'm on my feet for 8 hours, I'm constantly cleaning, running around, delivering meals to cars and dealing with complaints. The fact that I earn £70 a shift for that is shocking to me.
@@user-mg1cc3wr5o A manager left me to run the whole drive thru (and most of the grill) by myself. I had at least 100 cars in the drive thru during the morning rush. I can only imagine how crappy it is now cuz of covid. And the fact most restaurants are short staffed nowadays. Good luck to you
You do get raises for hard work though, I started at 7.50 at my fast food place and now I make 11. Not a manager or anything and I make 50 cents less per hour than my HEAD manager. That being said, you could be the best damned fast food worker to ever exist and you could still only get so far, cause it’s fast food 🤷🏻♂️
This is exactly why I charge per job as an electrician. You also get funny looks if you're working hourly and answer your phone, leave to get parts etc.
A mechanic charges you $200 for a 30 minute job. You are not paying him for the 30 minutes it took him to do the job but rather the 30 years it took for him to get good enough to do it in 30 minutes.
Woah that analogy can sort of apply to music. But the way you put this into words is perfect. i legit can’t for when I do music long enough to where it’s second nature 💖
Make perfect sense to me! Good line of thinking young man.... if that to be serious and not sarcastic. I would gladly pay some 300 dollars to tune my mustang for 15minutes then pay some dude that's learning how to tune 75 dollars to come back 5 times for a better tune on my car. The knowledge of how to quickly fix something is priceless. How long would it take me to rebuild an engine right the first time??? Hours and hours of research and trial and error, breaking stuff then the costs of me breaking stuff, having a different guy drill out the bolts I just broke off because of my lack of experience. Dude just have a pro do it right the first time and save the headache.
@@Slippy-Toad-Love uh... wouldn’t the speed of service be the result of skill? The doubling would be how the servicer values their work. If the buyer didn’t want that then they should have checked the contract more closely or hired someone else.
@@Slippy-Toad-Love tell me how I benefit as the builder having it done in half the time. Bragging rights? Without that money how is it fair that makes no sense. It benefits one party, not both. The employer
This is so true being a designer. A friend of mine had a client say, "why should I pay you so much for something that took you 10 minutes to complete.?" His response was, "because I spent thousands of dollars at college to be able to complete it in 10 minutes."
Apart from it only works in specific situations. Usually when someone is paid for something like a commission piece or work like a logo they are paid for the whole thing. For example they’d pay £10,000 for the logo and itself. Other jobs like flipping burgers or whatever you are being paid for the amount of time that you are doing your set job.
@@theogillan5510 yes! How you charge is circumstantial. This example of “logo design” is very specific in nature and can only compare to certain types of work.
@@theogillan5510 but I have worked both hourly and given an estimate and I can tell u u will make more with an estimate the only thing is u can miss and lose money. It depends on how good u are at figures.
It grinds my gears when my manager tells me to find something to do so we can “stay busy.” Not like I just spent the last 4 hours busting my ass so I can chill the rest of my shift, but sure
You actually want to get ahead in life? Bust you’re ass for the full shift. Make sure you’re station is spotless and even help out coworkers to finish their end of night tasks as well. Than show up on time the next day. Than keep doing that. You’ll be telling the next person to make sure his station is spotless and stocked before he leaves too. The cream rises to the top.
When your manager tells you to find something to do without tell you what it is. This manager needs to be fired. Because obviously you guys did everything and being punished by it. If you have the skill to turn in your project 2 month early and it is great, you can take the the rest of 2 month off with a nice bonus.
That is why I like salary jobs. People get wrapped up in the no overtime pay but once you get your work done for the day you go home you get the paid the same whether it took 2 hours or 10. So your incentive to do the job in the most efficient way.
"I'm not charging you $20,000, to hit your machine with a hammer. I'm charging you 20 grand, to know where, to hit your machine with a hammer." Master Engineer.
@@SpontaneouCombustion ... so what you're saying is... someone who purposely used a comma to engineer a run-on sentence... with the intent of emphasizing a specific point... was a mistake? 🤔 Did you read with the intent to respond? Or the intent to understand? Cuz that sounds like a whole lot of you problem... And not a me problem.
It's like the woman questioning Picasso why he would charge her 10k for a sketch that took 30 seconds to draw. He replies no it took me 40 years. You're paying for the persons expertise. Including all the schooling, time and craft that got them to that stage.
It is the market. Some artists still paint crap after 40 years trying. Some people value Picasso as crap, some want to pay him millions. Picasso only sells “expensive” in the eyes of the first group.
But I have replaced bicycle inner tubes for 40 years. Professionally for over 25 years. I can not charge $500 to do it just because of my 40 years experience.
In some circumstances this is true. In occupations which have an uncertain length, it’s better to be paid per hour because the laborers may be unable to determine the right compensation for the job before work has started.
Not necessarily, you see i don't know what context you are coming from, but In the content of let say you change yourself by the hour to a client; buy working faster and will make less money but you will be more competitive because you will accomplish the same job for less. There will always be someone who does the job better and cheaper than you and those are the guys who win. Time is all we have so I'd rather be paid by it.
@@collins9708 this guys right, I do this all the time, because I'm better, faster and smarter than 99% out there I save my customers lots of money and they get me more business. What OP is talking about though is a 9-5 or 7-3 started just above minimum wage or Amazon job. And to that I say, if you keep voting for more socialism like the last 100 years of more and more socialism, then don't cry about the lost capitalism and free market. You need to be competitively hard working, constantly looking for a better job, and constantly asking for a raise in that kind of work environment. Leftist world is dog-eat-dog. Liberty is about working together.
Then you're obviously not being paid an hourly wage that matches your skill. This entire argument is such a case by case basis that's it's honestly just pointless to have.
And this is exactly why, as an artist, you do not tell people how long things take you. If you do something over and over, you get better at it and more efficient. It does not mean you put in less work, or that it's of lesser quality. But people will often perceive it that way.
Yeah like Bob Ross. He painted glorious paintings within 30 minute episodes all the time. Just because he was fast doesn’t mean he didn’t put in effort. He was just well practiced.
I think one of the things that make people think that way is that some people do a shitty job just to make it fast. Not everyone but lots do that and that punishes the actually good artist that put in the time
It happens all the time. I worked in a firm where guys would spend half their day talking about the weekend, where to go for lunch etc. I hit my desk, cranked for the day. Produced more every single metric, but was passed over three times for promotion. They didn't get a fourth opportunity. People, value your skills, and don't let others devalue them.
There's a semi truck electrician in my city, an old Spanish guy, doesn't speak English and only does electrical. He charges 250 to look at the truck with the first hours labor included then 100 per hour after. Everyone gets mad when they hear it because it's usually a fix that's costs a few cents in materials but not as mad as they are after they paid someone else 10 hours at $90 per hour and they couldn't fix it. Hes got a first come first serve rule and trucks start lining up at 2 a.m. for when he opens at 10 a.m. he averages 20 trucks a day and he just diagnoses and gets his people to do the usually very simple 10 cent repair that might require some flexibility he doesnt have anymore.
If you want to be a good PM or director you're gonna have to consider both very carefully, people who slog the work off hurriedly but without quality are just as bad and often cause trouble for their colleagues
Shouldn't every business owners goal be to maximize profit? This allows the business to succeed and the business owner gets to continue paying the employees that need the job and money. He couldn't allow the logo or project to take longer than necessary and overpay for it but you do that too many times and you're out of business and everyone is unemployed.
You know why that happens? Cus he already knows that question is coming and he already knows what's the best way to answer them. That's why he is Chris Do.
Exactly why I quit my salary job and got a commission job. Making twice the money for two thirds of the effort. Being efficient should reward you, not punish you.
That moment when you work faster than your other workers and have a moment to rest but your boss comes around the corner and asks why you aren't working and why you aren't helping your coworkers.
This guy is a great teacher. Leading his students to arrive at their own answers through carefully placed questions. Socratic method at its best. Edit: This is one of the first comments I’ve made that has got this much notice. Crazy to see how many unpleasant characters come out of the woodworks. Everyone thinks their opinions are undeniable fact & not just subjective perspectives.
Have you people never heard of the service triangle? When commissioning a job, you pick two of the three options: quick, cheap, and high quality. If you want it quick and high quality, it won't be cheap. If you want it high quality and cheap, it won't be quick. And if you want it cheap and quick, it won't be high quality. This is just a basic dynamic of how our economy works.
Yes I learned about this and was making good money on offer up. I used to buy bundles of hypebeast/ supreme stickers from China and would sell them 2-3 $ each. Then made enough to start my own little detailing business. 🍀
@@southsider9638 That wasn't quite the point. The point was that, if charging someone based on value over scale. It's basically about would you rather pay more and get a better product/result/service or pay based on throughput no matter what you get in return. for example, if you go to someone to get your car fixed and you pay someone $100 just to get your car function but there's someone else who can get your car almost like new but charges $200 instead. In that scenario you're paying for quality, versus someone who carges $100 to get it functional in 1 hour but another person can do it in 5 minutes but you still pay $100 to which you're paying for scale (more or less).
@@southsider9638 Well one could argue that in the discussion, paying for value AND scale is for the client side of the equation. From the video I would say they're discussing the Merchant side which for what the client wants are they going to get it based on its value or based on its scale, hence the service triangle. Also we don't really know what the video was about. We just see based on a heavily edited and short snippet what the implied focus of the video is. Besides this discussion was based on this guy's comment.
I clean houses by house size and hour. Minimized the people who have small 30 minutes houses with my 1 hour minimum for clients. Some houses can be $75 and hour and some houses can be close to $175 an hour. People who pay $175 have bigger houses and usually take about 3 hours. So instead of me doing it by house and charging $215 like my competitors I end up getting close to $500. In cleaning peoples houses you only need to cater to the ones who have money for the service not everyone else. A housekeeper is a want not a need. My first year changing it up to hourly and house size I made 23% more in profit than I did the first year.
I'm a graphic artist and my rule has always been simple: 1. Good work 2. Fast work 3. Cheap work The customer can have any TWO of the above, on the understanding that they will not get the remaining option. Fast + Cheap = Not Good Cheap + Good = Not Fast Good + Fast = Not Cheap
@@reineruto3061 next time just admit that you don’t understand. No need to down talk someone else. Especially when it’s done as an attempt to cover one’s inadequacy. Just be real. It’s respectful and respectable.
@@reineruto3061 I'll always take on work, and they are the conditions. If someone wants a good job but they don't want to pay much, I tell them: "Sure, but it will always be the last thing I work on" And I won't give a completion date. Sometimes a client is prepared to wait. Several years ago I painted a large mural on the wall of a library, the library and building were being refurbished and I was told I had 18 months to finish the job. As I wanted the job, and I estimated there was approx 200 hours in it, I was able to put in a very low quote. There were other factors: I was able to work on it outside normal work hours, etc Cheap and Good is not an option that many take because I won't guarantee a deadline, but it is an option I offer.
I love this kinda thing. A serious question replied to by a clear, concise and meaningful argument. No personal feelings involved, no spiteful arguing, just learning taking place.
Except it's a broad, sweeping statement that doesn't take into account jobs like food service or law or anything where more work gets done the longer you work. A logo is going to be one (1) logo no matter how long it takes, but if I'm working at a restaurant, I'm renting out my free time, so yeah, the more I rent out, the more I need to be compensated.
@@farkasmactavish Well time isnt the actual metric. If I have no hands and you do, my time isn't as valuable as yours, when the task being assessed is something which requires hands. Labor theory of value is wrong, because you and I don't value our free time at the same rate, and our theoretical employer doesn't value our outputs the same, so there is no reason our compensation should be the same if we happened to work the same amount of time.
@@farkasmactavish That's a fair point by you. But the speaker in the video isn't actually talking about every occupation here and he definitely doesn't mean that this logic applies to every field. He mentors designers and this conversation here between him and the audience member is specifically in the design field's context.
@@1110-s1t All of that is true and why you need to be assertive about how much your time is worth. Labor theory of value DOES make sense, especially when, yes, some people's labor is more valuable than others'. That's the way it is, no matter if it hurts your feelings to think about it. If you can't do the job as well, your time and effort aren't as important. Your options are to either get better, sell yourself better, or suck it up, buttercup.
He's basically explaining the difference between a subcontractor, who is hired on to complete a job at a set rate to drop a cost versus an employee who is paid by the hour to do a task.
This is to simple. There is work that takes specialization. There is work that will take time no matter the specialization. You have to do a cost to benefit analysis on both the specialization/lack of specialization needed vs/and/or including the amount of time/or lack of time taken or needed to complete the job. To attempt to simplify it’s a constant balancing ratio of how good a widget is/needs to be vs. how fast/many widgets made per unit of time. This guy sounds smart but he’s just trying to sound smart using this rather tired and overused conundrum. Economics is hard and complicated. Lol
@@CJ-xc9iy not just that, but it limits their liability, you don't have to carry unemployment insurance, or any type of injury insurance for subcontractors. And limits their tax responsibilities, they don't have to pay payroll tax or anything along those lines. If you're hiring employees as subcontractors you are complete scumbag, because you're just basically putting a lot of costs under them that the employer should be paying. As a subcontractor you have the right to work for any company you want to, and you make a lot more decisions regarding your work. If you're told exactly how to do something, not just told what the end product should be you're an employee not a subcontractor and if you're being paid as a subcontractor you're being ripped off.
Every thing he is using takes time to make as well..the market value of lawn mowing in theory should be super low because it's so easy. The only reason it isn't is due to the fact not many people are really looking to pay for grass cutting. If EVERYONE was looking to get their grass cut professionally though itd be cheaper yeah? Because competition will lower the price and they will attempt to go faster to do more yards so they can achieve payment of the same rate. This is how all products function in a market except for very rare cases. Those cases usually involve cultural influences
@@kanehemlock290 Super easy? For someone with a genius level IQ being a lawyer would be easy, should they be paid less because it's simple for them to fulfil that role? It's all relative. After 4/5 months of a busy gardening season your body begins to suffer. You'll feel fatigued and have very little energy to do non-work related activities, it's accumulative. Personally I've suffered a multilayer injury from a hedge trimmer cutting through the flesh, tendons and bone of two fingers which no longer flex to grip as they should. Back injuries etc. Not having a go at you, but as an owner of a small gardening business I can assure you the majority of guys I've trained over the years weren't at an adequate level for the first 6 months or more. You need to be physically fit, efficient and polite, as well as reliable (rare to find reliability).. Like I said, not claiming cutting a lawn or hedge requires tremendous ability, but there's more to it than a one off 'whip over the lawn' - it goes on and on. You're right about the cultural influences, where I live a standard rate would be around £25 p/h (30 ish dollars) because of the lack of foreign workers driving the prices down. Of course these guys don't intend to stay in the country, they send it home where it's worth far more.
@@kanehemlock290 what about the service you received from the lawn co. ? Not all are the same..... did they cut your grass evenly, did they bag or leave shavings, if they left shavings, did they blow them out into the street or other neighbors yards ? Did they edge and weed set properly? Did they trim shrubs and weed flower beds? Also when yard co. Blow the grass shavings around it ends up in other peoples yards...say your yard or neighbors yard had weeds or a fungus and the yard co blew the shavings into your yard or the neighbors... now you have the weeds and the fungus contaminating said yard..! So not such an easy job if it’s done right and if it’s done right thus raising costs.
This is true for blue collar jobs too. Example: An experienced mechanic with the proper tools can replace your brake pads in about 10-15 minutes. But if he hands you back your keys 15 minutes later, you’re going to be mad that you’re still paying for an hour of labor, feeling you’re being cheated. When actually, you’re trying to penalize both his skill and the dollars he’s invested in his tools to be able to do the job so quickly.
Common issue... - "Come on, it took you just five minutes to do this on my laptop". - Wanna know how many hours I spent learning how to do that in "just five minutes?"
@@ahmadsyafiejalaluddin8110 I did, and now “your company” is directly in competition with mine. Goodluck old boss, I won’t rest till your outdated old company is buried under mine 🤣😈
This sounds exactly like making mods on games for people. I wanted to make my own, took me 2 weeks to learn the coding (I'm not a computer guy, just a determined gamer.) Next thing I know, everyone that played my mod wanted me to make them one faster and cheaper than I made my own. I made 300 dollars then quit modding for other people.
So many coincidences I just had to leave a like and comment here. Yesterday I found a fairly decent kinda high priced 3D printer dirt cheap, basically free compared to its value because the extruders weren't working and it "wasn't behaving right" (the switches that set the max limit had a broken wire so it didn't know when to stop) Well being that I assemble 3D printers it took me 5-10 minutes to fix it didn't even need parts
Its gets to a point where you're working towards a promotion instead of a paycheck at the end of the week. If that doesn't work out then just carry that good work ethic to another job.
@@JealousyiSaSickness12 I understand what you mean, but I've come to understand that not everyone works the same way you or I do only because I was raised that way and maybe you were also. Having a strong work ethic isn't usually taught rather than influenced over your childhood just as my Father did to me. It sucks being the person that everyone relies on because some don't really want to do it or care, but it's what employers like to see and even though they may put a lot on you, don't think they don't appreciate it because they do.. Very much! In the back of their mind they know they have someone reliable and reliable people are VERY VERY hard to come by.
I wish people would understand this when artists charge a good amount of money for their work, you’re not paying for how much it’ll take them to complete it, you’re paying for their experience.
@Skip Passover experience means in this context the collection of events that have happened in the past that led to knowledge for the artist, not having a nice time.
@@lostpockets2227 You only get two, in any combination. You won’t get all three. If you want the job done fast and cheap, it’s not going to be the best craftsmanship. If you want it done fast and have the best quality product, it’s going to cost you. If you want the best quality craftsmanship with a limited budget, it’s going to take a while to get it done.
@Tom R if someone else was suppose to draw it, They would have taking longer but since the pro artists is good he can do it in a short amount of time thefore both of them should get the same amount of cash.
@Tom R Now think about the people who charge to expedite projects or give yours priority. They do that because they believe if they don't quicker, you should pay more. So why shouldn't the person who does it naturally faster get paid as much as the person who charges to expedite? The person who can do it quicker may have just honed their craft better than the slower person, doesn't mean it's less skills necessary.
Well it depends, a lot of art takes a long time. And I for one am very good at art, but I take forever. Someone else may be equally good and do it very quickly. The point isn't that an artist that is quick is good, because that's not always the case. The point is that your work should be worth what it is worth to the person, not for the time it took.
I'm an artist. This is EXACTLY why I don't tell clients that it takes me 3-4 hours to do a realistic 18x24 portrait. I did that once and all of a sudden they didn't want to pay me what they owed. When they get paid by the hour, judgement sets in when they come to you for the quality, but then they start doing the math.
But im against a client making an agreement and trying to change it....thats b.s. completely, they saw your other work...they agreed to a price. I dont like how much production went into this guys video, its fake, and its using a good point to encourage people to not seek better value elsewhere.. Im sure you've recieved clientele being that new alternate source yourself...
@@ThouArtOfWar0724 actually there is always a balance....if you put in the work of looking you can find a similar or get lucky and find better.....but yes I agree that is an element...which is why you agree on a price first. Theres just this conspiracy to ever raise tge cost of everything endlessly and it gets old...you should always search for what you want, it makes more artists, and when you get more artists, art gets cheaper.....you have no idea how many more artists there are today than 10 years ago...and places like fivr and etsy and deviantart...sooner or later artists will have to come closer to the working output of fellow humans around them otherwise they will outcompete their prices....and the more well paying 4 hour jobs, makes even more wanting it for themselves..... I think there might be more wisdom in those things they say about working full days and full weeks and having a day to rest, was more natural and balanced and a way no one else could complain about what youre doing for that rest and the world around you.
@@blackshadow-_-c9441 except most animations aren’t at 60 frames. They’re actually at a 24 frames. There’s a video by Noodle talking about interpolation and animation it’s really interesting.
Picasso is sketching at a park. A woman walks by, recognizes him, and begs for her portrait. Somehow, he agrees. A few minutes later, he hands her the sketch. She is elated, excited about how wonderfully it captures the very essence of her character, what beautiful work it is, and asks how much she owes him. “5000 francs, madam,” says Picasso. The woman is incredulous, outraged, and asks how that’s even possible given it only took him 5 minutes. Picasso looks up and, without missing a beat, says: “No, madam, it took me my whole life.”
Actually, Picasso was 20 years old when he started to become famous. So no, not "my whole life". And there are many who learn much more in much, much early stages, while people brag about decades of "experience".
@@akiraic it took his whole life when he said it. So it did took his whole life to be that good even he was 20. Again there’s always going to be a better skilled person than you on certain tasks, but that’s not the reason for paying less. And you might be better than someone else on other thins as well. But I do understand the bragging part. It’s frustrating so personally i think just let the work speaks for itself. If it sucks, tell them that your experience isn’t paid off like you said this time and move on. Ironically another experience gained isn’t it?
Yes, this way of thinking is great but it applicable only for a certain type of job..people that have a job like working in supermarkets etc must be paid by rhe hour.
@@JoseAndCode did you not watch the video? or did all the words just go out the other ear? The video is about per hour payment. For example, if I finished a project in 2 hours rather than 6 hours, I would receive less money, because I'm being payed based on how long I've spent on it.
I’m a delivery driver for Amazon , and this is the case with them.... they give us 8 hour routes , which if you deliver all your packages in 6 hours , they add more packages on .... so being punished with more packages because you are too fast .... we pay you for 8 hours , and by god , you will work 8 hours !
@@MrJokey16 mate , I do Amazon flex on my days off and on good days when I finish routes before the last blocks are posted .... flex is piss easy compared to the contractor routes.... over Christmas I was getting 180 drops , 250 packages ..... Amazon flex never gives more than 40 drops now.... flex routes differ though , some take the piss and got you doing a lot of miles in rural areas , or you could have a nice little cluster and smash 30 in an hour , luck of the draw I suppose
Same thing in the workplace. If youre very good at your job and can do quality work in less time , suddenly management thinks theyre being ripped off because you have some free time
Completely agree. I can do all my job in 5 hours as opposed to 8 but if I left after getting all my work done then I’m docked pay even though all my work got done which doesn’t make sense. Now I just work slower so at least my whole day is filled.
That is employer dependent. I can do more tha others in the time I'm at work because I can multitask and will do the job/s efficiently. All I have to do is go on leave and they notice the difference. Yes, others could do the same, but am jet to come across that person where I am yet.
@@himynameis3102 I can relate cause I had an eight hour job working second shift and then transferred to grave yard finished everything in four hours went on vacation for a week and that missed me just like my check missed what my work was truly worth
Tbh almost everyone claims to be a business person if their a business owner of any sort. Or if their some snarchy middle aged dude in the suburbs who invested in the stock market after watching a few TH-cam videos on the subject. Let alone any young hippies who invested in a crypto currency once.
@@robm6726 yep. It's become blatantly obvious some "managers" thought they deserved a bloated salary to watch other people work (micro manage) or the business would come to a grinding halt without their cracking the whip.
As a craftsman I used to hit this exact same problem with homeowners. I would bid a flat fee on a job and because I’m fast and efficient and good at my job I would make a lot of money and when they would see how much money I was making and they would break it down by the hour it bothered them because sometimes I would make upwards of $300- $400 an hour. I notice this especially bothered people who had a fancy degree. They thought because I didn’t have a degree that I shouldn’t make that kind of money. I actually had one gentleman tell me those words exactly and I told him to stick his job up his ass. Just because I didn’t sit in a classroom for 4-8 years doesn’t mean I shouldn’t make good money, my classroom was the job site and 20+ years of education
They also don't realize they're paying for your tools as well. As a homeowner Ive researched how to do certain things, determined I could probably do them, but I'd have to rent equipment, transport it, buy reusable parts for it, learn how to operate it, etc. And it might not even come out right after all that effort, or I might end up damaging something or injuring myself. When you actually look at all that a job entails, the price usually makes sense. And that's before taxes, licensing, insurance, etc that we don't have to worry about in our hourly payments. Plus, I'm guaranteed an 8 hour day; my handyman is not.
Not to be rude. I dont get what you said. Let say it took you 10 years learning your craft. Why would i pay you for those 10 years? What if youre just slow or dumb to understand it to finish it in just 6 yrs?
@@creestee08 we don't get to tell a doctor we'll pay him/her whatever we want because they only spent 15-20 mins with us. A doctor went to school for 8 years so he/she could efficiently provide an invaluable service.
@@GigglewithFelix321 im not sure where im going with my thoughts. its just that a doctor can only be practicing if they passed the state exams. if not, you cant solicit a fee for a service that you arent licensed to. are med students even allowed to get a license if they were able to finish the whole curriculum in 4 yrs instead of 8?
This was literally the first thing I thought when I was a kid and learned that people are paid by time. The simple reason is because that's the easiest way to do it, not because it's the most accurate
From a perspective of selling ones labor, it is the most accurate. When you give an hourly price you are doing so to be properly compensated for your time used, if the product of that time is not of equal value, that isnt your concern. You got what you wanted regardless of whether the client got a better or worse deal than they should have.
it always amazed me because on my country we are paid monthly. which i also kinda feel weird about because some months has more days and workdays than others. but it works
I've always told my friends: Don't do more than you're asked for, unless you're getting paid more. Don't work for free, value yourself and what you know. You are worth it.
@@Rezzell I totally agree. Of course I tried it.. But that kind of life is boring and limited.. And even calculated.. It's impossible to reach the full potential. You just look at the clock when it's time to go home.
Kudos to the awesome student,willing to put himself out there create an effective dialogue for the rest of the class/seminar. Assuming that's what it was
Not really. The presenter made no sense. Wages already incorporate productivity. You are paid by the hour, assuming a certain level of output. What is he EVEN TALKING about????
New train breaks down on tracks. Engineer who designed train was on board. They asked him to fix it. He ask for a hammer, walks to front of train looks around a bit and wacks train. It fires right up. They said send us a bill. Received bill for $50,000. They sent request for itemized bill for 5 min work. Returned invoice - hammer $0.00 - knowing where to hit train $50,000
@@bertyadventures stolen comment story is originally about a guy working in a factory he draws a x on a machine that stoppen working he charged a dollar for the chalk he used and 9.999 for the knowledge of where to put the x same story but come on tell the originall stlry atleast
I feel like school follows this flawed method too. Whenever you get done with work early, the teacher still has to keep you busy so you're given more work. It incentives you to work slower and to push things off until the last minute. edit : some people seem to think that i meant that teachers should allow students to not try or to just sit and distract others who are still working, that wasnt my intention at all. there are also people saying that this extra work can be practice or might be important. thats not what im talking about either. im talking about the teachers who see that youre done with all the tasks they had planned for that day, dig out some old piece of random work they had stockpiled from years past, and give it for you to do, despite it not being worth anything grade wise and not at all pertaining to the actual curriculum. there are also teachers that will assign a bunch of extra work to everyone, just because they had a few faster learners that finished early. this can be pretty hard on the other students, who now have to struggle to keep up. i also dont think all teachers are bad, but that sometimes even the nice ones can end up doing this without realizing its uselessness. i think a good alternative to having students feel like they need to procrastinate or having students waste learning time due to lack of work is to motivate them to finish work early by promising a more fun, equally as educational, activity for them to do afterwards. in my ELA class, this was done by having us compete and learn the material through games like quizlet and kahoot, with winners being rewarded candy (and this was a senior honors class in highschool, so teachers shouldnt assume that students will grow out of fun methods like that) and in my science class, this was seen through a game of trashketball, where we split into teams and had opportunities to answer the science based questions, and if we answered correctly we had time to choose a distance to throw the ball from in hopes of landing it in the bin for team points. its fun stuff like that which can motivate students to want to finish up and work harder, while at the same time giving them a reward thats still educational. plus with games like trashketball and kahoot, its a good way to have a not very social class start to open up and have students communicating with others, even if its just with jokes and teasing about wrong answers. i havent seen a downfall to this so far, and for students like me who had difficulty paying attention to long winded powerpoints and large textbook passages, it was a great way to actually learn the material in a way where itd stick. edit 2 : sorry for such a long edit 😅
@@maxithalo7796 I've had some teachers like that, but I've also had teachers who couldn't stand giving their students any leiway and would just give you constant busywork. Ironically the worst teacher I had who did that was an art teacher, normally you'd expect them to be chill... Not her
@@bimcha8345 if you read the other comment I left, I said the worst teacher that I had do that was an art teacher. Regardless, non art teachers can do this as well and it's going to be different for every single school.
I was the most efficient pit boss in a bbq company and corporate had me give them tips on how I was so fast. I was full time in school too so I asked to get off early. They declined. So I asked for a raise. They declined. So I quit.
Even better is that less than a month later I was offered a higher paying job that was in the same field as my major. I got to choose my hours rather than wake up at 5am to smoke meat. They came back to me and offered me the raise. I declined. Later I learned that that manager was investigated for being the reason so many people quit. He no longer works there.
Literally me when I leave work early it’s like “oh I did a good job today? I finished all my work early and did it better than I usually did I must admit.. and now I lose half an hour to an hour of pay for being good at my work”
@Eclipse3131 You’re trading the hour of wage for free-time. Time has value just like cash. You can make money with a side hustle, accomplish a household task, relax; whatever the extra hour gives you.
I've been in the restaurant industry for about 7 years now. A while back I realised that no matter how good I am, how fast I go, or how much I learn, there will always be potatos and onions to cut. My hard work only ensures that the company that I work for now has the idea that they can stack more work on top of what I'm already doing because I can handle it. Raises are far and few to begin with. Why work harder and longer for a company that punishes you by giving you more work and not more money?
@@justanothernguyen2334 not the case, I made the mistake of coming into a job with 90% effort and ending up with 100 more things to do at the end of the week because of it then you get tired of all the extra work and slow down then they ask what’s going on and why you aren’t working.
@@justamerewizard that's true. I've seen it. Employees working the bare minimum are known as slackers and they get to do less. Employees going above and beyond all the time will get a talk the day they don't feel like working 🤷🏽♂️. It doesn't make sense
As someone who commissions art, I appreciate also when the art has a base price rather then an hourly. It shows the artist is confident enough to what their value should be for a project as a whole, and I do not have to worry as they mention suddenly a project costing way more from the hours expected on the project's budget.
It works as long as the client doesn't do 37 changes. Seriously, it happens. It's almost done and HOURS have been put in snd suddenly the guy's girlfriend comes along snd says "well, I don't really like it." And suddenly your starting all over again. That's when patience and lack of weapons being readily available becomes mandatory.
I’ve been drawing for 19 years, only started doing commissions last year December, and I still don’t get how people base price their artwork, or do an hourly
Entry level shift jobs: pay by the hour Managing Jobs: pay by salary, commissions. Skill based jobs: pay based on efficiency, skill and reputation. Example: look at my edited pictures, you like the quality. Look at my rates, you like the efficiency. Look at your request, make a deduction.
@@lauraborabeee not everyone. I worked with mostly 18 year olds but I’m nearly 30 and worked at my job for nearly a decade. Same pay. These 18 year olds are on their phone or hiding most of the day while me and another older gentleman are sweating.
@@killcam8552 That is true... what I think then is they should allow growth in retail like the ability to move up and possibly reach head office someday just something to reach for.
As long as they'redone before the deadline they don't care. One of my first jobs was for a truck fleet washing service and the other workers told me not work so quickly. They didn't want the owner to see how long it actually should take to finish some of the jobs when I worked alone. That type of attitude is for people that just want to barely scrape through life. .
@@twayland6186 or ppl that dont care about the job they hate. id do that too. im not gonna pour my true authentic self into a job i dont care too much about
@@user-oz1ny I have been in a situation where I have had a boss talk about how badly he wanted to fire someone but still needed them. And the reason they weren’t able to show up to work was because she had gotten into a car crash and had broken her spine. Despite knowing this my boss and all my other bosses just agreed to it would be a good idea to fire her and they talked so much smack about her behind her back. All because she missed a few days of work that they were supposed to use for vacation time. That they won’t get because none wanted to be hired by the company since it didn’t pay its worker well. I then began to wonder if they say that’s bout her and talk about replacing her so easily. What kinds of stuff do they talk about when talking about other people let alone myself when me miss a day or choose not to cover for them. When the company promised them days off. Not me. Like if the company says you will get a week off, but no-ones there to cover it. Then that’s the companies fault. Not some random worker that broke her spine that the company made you look after. (That’s not even mentioning the fact that the statement would imply she would loose her company sponsored healthcare program she needed)
This is why unions and hour based work is unfortunate for consumer and task based employees. Late, gotta keep you, slow to do job gotta keep you. Fast employee, all work done by lunch? Must be lazy
I like that this kid asked these questions. I know people would think that he got “roasted” or something from this teacher but the guy asked questions, got answers and learned something. Hopefully he goes places in life.
Me too
I agree. Great that he asked the question and the teacher/artist answered so nicely
These are adults asking questions lol
The teacher is stupid these people are a dime a dozen
Exactly! I was thinking the kid is asking a good question and the answer he got teaches the entire class a great lesson.
That's why people slack off at work. Being good and efficient only leads you to getting more work compared to others with the same payment. Most company don't recognize efforts anyway.
Saw this tiktok that said at work the prize for finishing the pie eating contest is just more pie - meaning, you get no reward, only more work. So might as well take your time and just meet deadlines
You should look for jobs that pay comission if you want to be paid for efficiency. Its not hard to actually think, bro.
Exactly once I charged this lady 60 to clean her house in an hour and she said why I deserve to be paid 60 for an hour of work😂I told her you’re not paying me hourly you’re paying me based on the amount of work that I’m doing! I’m just efficient enough to do it quickly
Casual staff literally get paid more money the more hours they work. That's why being better at your job makes more sense, because more hours = more pay.
Of course, if your pay was a fixed rate no matter how much you worked, I'd understand where you're coming from.
Yup! I went from working the Deli to becoming the supervisor for the Bakery in a year. I didn't realize that I'd have to do the managers work too while they sat there "going over numbers"
Feeling under appreciated is one thing.
Being taken advantage of is another.
As my father always said, “I get paid for what I know, not for what I do”
For WHO you know.
@@dan8753 Depends on your work. But yeah, if the client knows you have the right connections, I bet they would happily pay more,
Was your dad a politician?
@@couldbeworse1488 HVAC-R licensed contractor ? Why?
your dad is right. A family member works for a famous cosmetics company and they told them that by the years they will increase their money
Cheap work ain't good and good work ain't cheap!!! FACTS!!
"I'm being punished for me being efficient or really good " That's the best out of this video
Had a client try to pay me less cause we painted a house quicker than scheduled.🤷🏾♂️
That’s cause of how society has been trained to think, since we all grow up being paid by the hour for work
@@kimanijosephwainaina4226 should get a bonus (ofc if quality is of high standard too)
Thats the literal point to the whole video
Screenshot ... I wish I had a better way to keep awesome thoughts like this in a way that I can see and be reminded by them from time to Time
"Just cause I can do it faster, doesn't mean I'm worth less"
Well, if you put it that way...
My art projects that we were supposed to do in class over a long period of time made it hard for me to focus on it. But when I get to take it home I can get it done in one night.
She didn't agree
I told this to my wife and she just shook her head in disappointment. She don't agree sadly
But you can also do it worse. Find the industry average add or take away for cost
Hourly rate: Yeah I’m working on it, might take a while though
Set Salary per year: Yeah I’m on it, I’m not staying late though
Earning a Commission: It’s done
🤣Ikr
It may be cheap, fast or good. Pick two.
They're all trade offs in quality VS speed. Commission is the lowest quality one, you are punished for putting in extra time to the product because you are being paid a set amount and unlike yearly you can make more money the less time you spend on something. It does also incentives you to learn how to get better for faster throughput and thus more money, but you can make similar "but..." Arguments for the other 2.
@@theclingyfox7899 no you can't 😆. Salary is over/under, hourly/ under, commission/ is balanced makes you improve in order to do more sell more. It's pretty simple. Especially if you've worked all 3 before
@@theclingyfox7899 None of that is true. Your description of salary is what it looks like on paper, but the reality is that anyone working a salaried position is oftentimes required to work a minimum that's over the standard 40 hours a week. Additionally, salaried jobs typically come with significantly more responsibilities than those of hourly workers, i.e. management. With commission, you have more control over how much you actually work. While it's heavily dependant on you being hired for a specific job, you also have the ability to turn away work, make your own hours and pay rates, and prioritize work flow. You get none of that with salary as your employer dictates your entire work schedule.
As a mechanic, this is a conversation I've had dozens of times.
Exactly why I do my own repairs now. Guys line you charge 500-1000 for replacing a timing belt like it's extroardinary lmao. Did the same thing at 20% the cost
Only one way to profit big- we have held put options on QQQ and shorted the Nasdaq, as well as some overvalued stocks, since January. Derivatives such as futures have been utilized when crude oil skyrocketed! We are dollar cost averaging in to index funds, ETFs such as SPY and QQQ on red days for future compound interest - but not all at once. I have held cash from the sale of all my Nasdaq & SP500 primary holdings since January, and am gradually buying back in the more the market sinks. How much further will it drop? I'm not sure, but I DID CALL THE TOP ALMOST TO THE DAY. So far we have only invested a fraction of the funds that generally make up our primary holdings. I think we could drop further, as earnings will be dropping, as well as other GEOPOLITICAL risks currently escalating; China & Russia & the US bickering and all...
EXACTLY flat rate is such a bitch
Exactly- it took you 15 years to learn change oil, but now your customers can do it if they value money
mechanics are the sleaziest people around.
Time is money, but talent, effort, intelligence, craftsmanship it’s also money. It’s a combination of a lot of things what determines price and it changes for every business.
that is why companies want SKILLED employers
@@anunknownperson4018 Nah, I'd say companies want overqualified people to work for them for less than they're worth.
Value is the price someone is willing to pay. If someone asks me why they should pay me "x" I respond by saying because someone else will.
@@novakitty1619 you must be new to the work force. Companies will actually deny you employment if you’re over qualified. They’ll tell you that they don’t feel this would be best for your career and can’t employ you but wish you luck
Time is much more valuable than money. hourly wages should be removed. People should receive a percentage of the company's profits based on their position and receive bonuses based on hitting personal targets. People working for themselves need to charge what they feel comfortable charging. The free market will decide how successful they are based on the value they provide.
First time I’ve ever actually seen someone accepting that they’re wrong
This is another problem in itself. The ego getting in the way of learning something new.
Not enough people understand, that the moment when u realize/admit that you are wrong, IS the moment when you are NO LONGER WRONG.
@@jayrazz1783 lmaoooo facts
@@jayrazz1783 Being sexist gets you nowhere in the 21st century
I think cuz this was a q&a session by audience that attended to learn.
As somebody who’s run a relatively successful business the last 3 years, I have to say you are so consistently on the money with your analogies. I don’t believe I’ve ever seen somebody put these business principles into such a clear context. As a businessman, I feel these things and know they make sense in my brain, but articulating them to myself or rather… to a client proves to be a whole different challenge. The way you articulate the logic behind these concepts is artistic, and I learn from every video you post. Thank you for putting all this out there, it is golden
Thank you so much Alex.
Hahahaha
The market decides not you. How can this not be cristal clear. If you do a job faster than another you can top the market. And get more money as you work faster. The most important thing is that price needs to be set up in advance. So if you are at top price, you allready need to have established a name for yourself, have references. So as you progress in your field and can give good service and people know about it than you can go up. Would you pay an unknown guy topnotch if he said he's so. I highly doubt that if you're a businessman...
Red flag: Why are you explaining yourself to anybody?
"Get this done faster" translates to "Do more work for less money"
I make $43 an hour soon it will be $46 an hour and i can tell you absolutely in my situation, i am a machinist and for me the saying the more you make the less you do it so true. I work at a refinery not the safest place though but I live a comfortable life and this company is even paying for me to finish my mechanical engineering degree.
Agree a set price and time limit with different types of logo. If peron does what you want day one that better for your company image that is going to be protected. Not a good scenario to use!
“But at the end you get a happy costumer which means better review which means more costumers which means more money”
No. I'm not paying for the time it took to make the product and I'm not paying for the workers experience, I'm paying to get the highest quality product available and if I have to pay for the work or for the workers experience, I will not be buying the product at all, because that means I'm paying premium for the work done, not the quality of the product.
You should be paying for the quality of the product not for the work it took to make it and not for the experience of the worker that made it.
What's the point of paying a premium if a professional worker with 50 years of experience can't make a better product than a newcomer worker with 2 months of experience?
You guys are all brainwashed by these videos...
That's why exchange of time for money is the biggest mistake to generating wealth. Even if you did max out your energy you're still capped at 24 hrs a day. 16 in the US legally. Hourly doesn't work if you have in demand skills
When a professional does something for you quickly in 10 minutes, you're not paying for the 10 minutes, you're paying for the 10 years they've been doing that skill to perfect it in such a way.
Exactly its like asking a watch maker to make an amazing piece of a watch in under 2 hours then paying him only 200 dollars for the job he did when in reality the watchmaker had to work with complicated micro pieces, was pressured, and still managed to make the watch work for you. Your paying for the years of experience he has had.
And what the endured to learn the skill (etc, uni fees)
Did you get that quote from my brother? Ha! He says that all the time. I agree with BOTH of you!
God bless!
Peace, Lynne 🍃💜🍃
So true
Most of them don't think like that
If you're fast they'll gonna squeeze you out utilizing you of your limits cause it's an hourly job
I burned out as a designer doing in house job
Even freelancing is mostly the same if you're not a well known designer, they're just gonna utilize your skills just to justify the pay that you already showcase by being fast
"But i would also ask, why would it take that long to make a logo?"
As a designer making a Logo takes time, effort and research
If the client is fickle it'll take longer
Making a logo takes about hundreds of variations not including the revisions
Sometimes they always had a change of mind about the color, position and worst the whole thing
So making it hourly and you're a fast designer, they'll just gonna utilize your skill to it's limits thinking they need to justify the time spent and the amount they're paying making you a template designer not a concept artist
So asking "why did it take a long time" is quite the irony
“I’m not charging you for the ten minutes it took for me to do this task, I’m charging you for the ten years it took for me to learn to do this task in 10 minutes”
True wisdom.
Really well put.
Learn faster than 10 years lol
Right I think people should start to get payed for how much work they do rather then time put in if someone works there ass off to do a good job regardless of job they should be payed more
@@AirborneAnt the marker for mastery is 10,000 hours.. A thousand hours a year of practice is not negligible
I love this video which made 5 years ago, it still helps me right now.
This has been around for so long now. Actually be good at your job and then all of a sudden you're carrying everybody's weight but still get paid the same or sometimes even less than your peers.
In Brazil they just fire you before a full contract, so they won't have to pay taxes and benefits.
@@gar2yc In Soviet Russia, worker fire boss.
That's why there should be ways to grow within a company by your quality of work, attitude , skills etc. Unfortunately in recent years places like Walmart Amazon excetera got rid of incentives to want to grow. Reason being it was determined racist or some other nonsense. (Why this guy get promoted and I didnt? Must be race because he was here for 1 year less then me. Its not the fact he works ot and does his job better... Heaven's no) So now if you work at Walmart there is no reason to put in that extra effort. It reminds me of China. Workers in China will not do any extra work or go the extra mile for anything. They know everyone has the same pay, everyone has the same benefits, everyone has the same vacation time and no ones climbing anything. It's honestly quite depressing not seeing anyone care to stand out. Sad America is turning into this.
Right🤦🏾♀️
Happening to me right now. Granted my bosses want to pay me more but HR denied my level and pay bump for financial reasons
This reminds me of the story where Picasso drew someone's picture for them super fast. They asked why he was charging so much, it only took five minutes. He said, "No, it took me a lifetime."
Took a lifetime To learn the skills is the key takeaway
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Slow is smooth. Smooth is fast. Fast is skill
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Bars
If i do a job in 30 minutes, you don't owe me for the 30 minutes.
You owe me for the years it took me to learn to do it in 30 minutes
the customer has to be told this, their parents nor schooling ever taught them to think outside the box.
Amen
That's what i keep telling clients ..
Well said!
Great analogy. I never looked at things like this. Thank you.
Exactly why corporate jobs are a joke. I broke every record in less time, yet... was not given more...
Did you manage up? You gotta report your wins. And if that fails, you jump ship
that's why I became a freelancer
Well then take your skill somewhere else and if no one else is willing to pay you more. Then sorry your skill is not as valuable and rare as you thought it was.
Are you the guy who's working like 'click click ready for usage" and the next day a plane is crashing?
What type of work were you doing?
As a professional window cleaner this concept hits home. I work hard and efficiently and I make it look easy so people don’t think I should be charging what I do.
Bro lol I'm a window cleaner as well and was thinking the exact same thing. I charge by the job and I always hear " wow that was quick" and I always tell them " well I've been doing it for 20 years"
Im a laborer I like being on the ground you fuckers are crazy thank you for your work!
Same, spray foam insulation and we knock out 4k to 6k jobs in a day, typically they love and see the hard labor it takes to get the correct ane nice work done but I know some feel they get screwed thinking 1 day and it costed that much!
This changed my outlook on paying for services
@@rubiks15 how much do they charge? 200 bucks?
1. Skilled labor isn’t cheap and cheap labor isn’t skilled. 2. You pay me for my knowledge, not my time. Those two things have stuck with me for years already.
Wise words to work by, you're clearly a union man like myself.
@@mariomurillo1814 lmfao. If that was the case you wouldn't need to be in a union.
@@daveortwine2107 collective bargaining, bud. Everyone should be in a union
@@TheExterminatorGuy lol no.
@@mariomurillo1814 that's the total opposite of Union talk... Unions prefer high hourly rates paid by the hour... Even if the work isn't amazing
If it's high quality, the producer makes the price, if it's high quantity, the consumer makes the price.
I like this
@@sheldonhatch8255 same
Consumer always makes de price. Even with high end/ luxury products
@@amercya2953 That's not true in what world is the price of Gucci, LV, Birkins, etc. being controlled/determined by the consumer.
@@grimice415 it is to a point. People have a perceived value of those products, and that's why people will pay it. There is still a cap at what people are willing to pay. If no one is buying the products, they would have to lower the price.
My uncle worked as a handy man and he didn’t charge per hour. He charged based on the end result.
Example: He might charge $200 to tile a bathroom floor. Whether it took him 1 hour or 4 wasn’t important. He wouldn’t be punished for installing it quicker but it also gave him and his employees an incentive to not slack off as his hourly earnings would continue to diminish the longer it took. $200/hr for 1 hour, $100/hr for 2 hours, $50/hr for 4 hours etc. His company also had a workmanship guarantee so as to avoid the issue of his workers potentially doing a terrible job to go as quick as possible.
Lol that's not how it works. You establish a price in advance. Not afterwards.
That only works if you are charging that cheap so nobody’s too worried about 200$
“You’re not paying me for what I do, you’re paying me for what I know how to do”
As a mechanic, this 1000%.
@@MS-pw8yu how about what the labor cost book says.
@@kjcorder As an aviation, auto, and bicycle mechanic people scoff at the cost of maintenance. We get paid not for just our time, but our expertise to 1)be able to do it in the first place and 2)do it right the first time. And there is no "labor cost book" as an independent mechanic. I charge for parts, shop costs, and finally my labor/expertise. The last part is where people balk.
@@MS-pw8yu they haven't been burned yet then. I will gladly pay for experience. Especially after saving a buck and getting screwed or saving a buck trying to diy it and getting in way over my head. But I also do as much research as I can on the mechanic/shop to validate for myself and justify the cost eventhough I already know it's worth it. Peace of mind is priceless though.
@@MS-pw8yu This right here is why my entire family and I have taken all of our cars to the same mechanic for 20+ years
When I worked at McDonald's, my friend told me I get paid by the hour, not by the burger. That's when I realized how much hourly pay doesn't incentivize hard work
I work at McDonald's now. I'm on my feet for 8 hours, I'm constantly cleaning, running around, delivering meals to cars and dealing with complaints. The fact that I earn £70 a shift for that is shocking to me.
@@user-mg1cc3wr5o A manager left me to run the whole drive thru (and most of the grill) by myself. I had at least 100 cars in the drive thru during the morning rush. I can only imagine how crappy it is now cuz of covid. And the fact most restaurants are short staffed nowadays. Good luck to you
@@samuelbell9106 Jesus, that's awful. Thank you
You do get raises for hard work though, I started at 7.50 at my fast food place and now I make 11. Not a manager or anything and I make 50 cents less per hour than my HEAD manager. That being said, you could be the best damned fast food worker to ever exist and you could still only get so far, cause it’s fast food 🤷🏻♂️
@@ava_radio988 great commment
This is exactly why I charge per job as an electrician. You also get funny looks if you're working hourly and answer your phone, leave to get parts etc.
Taking my electrical exam in a few weeks!
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Dude I just post similar to this. Lol
@@soloscreations126 dummy now ppl no not to hire Solos Creations.
@@cant-get-right4814 😂😂😂
This is why I love my job in sales! I get paid for production and it is up to me to make sure my time is managed in accordance with that reality.
A mechanic charges you $200 for a 30 minute job. You are not paying him for the 30 minutes it took him to do the job but rather the 30 years it took for him to get good enough to do it in 30 minutes.
Woah that analogy can sort of apply to music. But the way you put this into words is perfect. i legit can’t for when I do music long enough to where it’s second nature 💖
Imagine taking 30 years to learn how to replace a battery in 30 minutes.
@@Hellsing12002 if you need a mechanic to replace your battery then you need to learn yourself lol
Ah so you mean the price is based on skill. That sounds reasonable but that’s an unattractive business habit
@@r.m.l2665 ??? Where did you see me mention not being able to replace a car battery myself?
“Pay me for the years of experience it took for me to be able to finish the job so quickly”
-some skilled dude
Learn a skill, then you can bitch about cost.
Make perfect sense to me! Good line of thinking young man.... if that to be serious and not sarcastic. I would gladly pay some 300 dollars to tune my mustang for 15minutes then pay some dude that's learning how to tune 75 dollars to come back 5 times for a better tune on my car. The knowledge of how to quickly fix something is priceless. How long would it take me to rebuild an engine right the first time??? Hours and hours of research and trial and error, breaking stuff then the costs of me breaking stuff, having a different guy drill out the bolts I just broke off because of my lack of experience. Dude just have a pro do it right the first time and save the headache.
Are you saying you haven't been paid in years? Last I checked that's illegal and you were already paid for that time.
So you have worked all that years without payments?
@@HelloThere..... ever heard of an intern/apprentice?
It’s like that post about a guy that can get a 40 hour job done in 10 and charges double for it. Because that saved time is worth the premium
Makes sense. Don’t they say time is money?
@@kintamas4425 Considering both sides benefit from the fact that a job is done quicker, I don’t think charging double is fair.
@@Slippy-Toad-Love its 100% worth because normally that job would take 40 hours at the standard rate... capish?
@@Slippy-Toad-Love uh... wouldn’t the speed of service be the result of skill? The doubling would be how the servicer values their work. If the buyer didn’t want that then they should have checked the contract more closely or hired someone else.
@@Slippy-Toad-Love tell me how I benefit as the builder having it done in half the time. Bragging rights? Without that money how is it fair that makes no sense. It benefits one party, not both. The employer
How amazingly you broke the clients logic in front of him 👏👏
This is so true being a designer. A friend of mine had a client say, "why should I pay you so much for something that took you 10 minutes to complete.?" His response was, "because I spent thousands of dollars at college to be able to complete it in 10 minutes."
well said!!!!
And im sure also hundreds if not thousands of hours of practise
Mic Drop!!!!👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Love that response
So because he attended college it adds value? Really are we going to discredit a craftsman that's done it all his life because he didn't go?
For the first time, One of these classes actually gave proper advice
Wow! 483 likes and I'm the first to reply. Guess you said it all.
First world problems. I have the same prices but earning 1/4 of your pay check.
This guy is spot on I wish people actually understood this.
Apart from it only works in specific situations. Usually when someone is paid for something like a commission piece or work like a logo they are paid for the whole thing. For example they’d pay £10,000 for the logo and itself.
Other jobs like flipping burgers or whatever you are being paid for the amount of time that you are doing your set job.
@@theogillan5510 yes! How you charge is circumstantial. This example of “logo design” is very specific in nature and can only compare to certain types of work.
@@theogillan5510 that’s a job not a business.
@@theogillan5510 but I have worked both hourly and given an estimate and I can tell u u will make more with an estimate the only thing is u can miss and lose money. It depends on how good u are at figures.
@@right8630 Yes but usually employers want to pay their workers the minimum
Efficiency, consistency, accuracy. That's they key variables that are rarely discussed.
It grinds my gears when my manager tells me to find something to do so we can “stay busy.” Not like I just spent the last 4 hours busting my ass so I can chill the rest of my shift, but sure
This is why I just started working slow the whole shift lmao
That's something no one tells you about. Don't work harder, is not worth. Yeah, I know what's gonna be your answer, but that's not how the world works
You actually want to get ahead in life? Bust you’re ass for the full shift. Make sure you’re station is spotless and even help out coworkers to finish their end of night tasks as well. Than show up on time the next day. Than keep doing that. You’ll be telling the next person to make sure his station is spotless and stocked before he leaves too. The cream rises to the top.
When your manager tells you to find something to do without tell you what it is. This manager needs to be fired. Because obviously you guys did everything and being punished by it. If you have the skill to turn in your project 2 month early and it is great, you can take the the rest of 2 month off with a nice bonus.
That is why I like salary jobs. People get wrapped up in the no overtime pay but once you get your work done for the day you go home you get the paid the same whether it took 2 hours or 10. So your incentive to do the job in the most efficient way.
"I'm not charging you $20,000, to hit your machine with a hammer. I'm charging you 20 grand, to know where, to hit your machine with a hammer." Master Engineer.
I don't think you know how a comma, works. You aren't supposed, to use them, like this.
@@SpontaneouCombustion 😂😂
@@SpontaneouCombustion He's an engineer, you minute man.
@@SpontaneouCombustion you didn't know that this was a Christopher Walken quote?
@@SpontaneouCombustion ... so what you're saying is... someone who purposely used a comma to engineer a run-on sentence... with the intent of emphasizing a specific point... was a mistake?
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Did you read with the intent to respond? Or the intent to understand? Cuz that sounds like a whole lot of you problem... And not a me problem.
It's like the woman questioning Picasso why he would charge her 10k for a sketch that took 30 seconds to draw. He replies no it took me 40 years. You're paying for the persons expertise. Including all the schooling, time and craft that got them to that stage.
Literally the best comment
@@bjrmagic1 Thank you 😁
That part right there!
It is the market. Some artists still paint crap after 40 years trying. Some people value Picasso as crap, some want to pay him millions. Picasso only sells “expensive” in the eyes of the first group.
But I have replaced bicycle inner tubes for 40 years. Professionally for over 25 years. I can not charge $500 to do it just because of my 40 years experience.
People need to understand we put years yearssss into getting where we are. Know your value
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"Charging by the hour punishes me for being good" - that's the essence, I try to explain this to ppl for years
In some circumstances this is true. In occupations which have an uncertain length, it’s better to be paid per hour because the laborers may be unable to determine the right compensation for the job before work has started.
Not necessarily, you see i don't know what context you are coming from, but In the content of let say you change yourself by the hour to a client; buy working faster and will make less money but you will be more competitive because you will accomplish the same job for less. There will always be someone who does the job better and cheaper than you and those are the guys who win.
Time is all we have so I'd rather be paid by it.
@@collins9708 this guys right, I do this all the time, because I'm better, faster and smarter than 99% out there I save my customers lots of money and they get me more business.
What OP is talking about though is a 9-5 or 7-3 started just above minimum wage or Amazon job. And to that I say, if you keep voting for more socialism like the last 100 years of more and more socialism, then don't cry about the lost capitalism and free market. You need to be competitively hard working, constantly looking for a better job, and constantly asking for a raise in that kind of work environment. Leftist world is dog-eat-dog. Liberty is about working together.
@@andrewlinn7863 that’s why you shouldn’t work for a job that isn’t goal based.
Then you're obviously not being paid an hourly wage that matches your skill. This entire argument is such a case by case basis that's it's honestly just pointless to have.
If you think hiring an expert is expensive, wait till you hire an amateur.
HA!
Then u still gota pay the expert to fix what they fucked up😂
@@theredpillneo2296 that's exactly what I ment by that
This is the best line I’ve stumbled across!
What are you a pizza guy?
And this is exactly why, as an artist, you do not tell people how long things take you. If you do something over and over, you get better at it and more efficient. It does not mean you put in less work, or that it's of lesser quality. But people will often perceive it that way.
Yeah like Bob Ross. He painted glorious paintings within 30 minute episodes all the time. Just because he was fast doesn’t mean he didn’t put in effort. He was just well practiced.
I see this in schools a lot.
Oh you’re finished? Here some extra exercises
Like thanks for punishing me for being efficient
Especially non artists/designers. I'm a freelancer and what would take me a month before, would take me a week now.
I think one of the things that make people think that way is that some people do a shitty job just to make it fast. Not everyone but lots do that and that punishes the actually good artist that put in the time
@@the4given196 my entire school life.
Watched a few lectures by this guy, this is gold for creatives in corpo environments
Great point. Never punish a professional for being too good and working too fast! Appreciate the value.
It happens all the time.
I worked in a firm where guys would spend half their day talking about the weekend, where to go for lunch etc.
I hit my desk, cranked for the day. Produced more every single metric, but was passed over three times for promotion.
They didn't get a fourth opportunity.
People, value your skills, and don't let others devalue them.
There's a semi truck electrician in my city, an old Spanish guy, doesn't speak English and only does electrical. He charges 250 to look at the truck with the first hours labor included then 100 per hour after. Everyone gets mad when they hear it because it's usually a fix that's costs a few cents in materials but not as mad as they are after they paid someone else 10 hours at $90 per hour and they couldn't fix it. Hes got a first come first serve rule and trucks start lining up at 2 a.m. for when he opens at 10 a.m. he averages 20 trucks a day and he just diagnoses and gets his people to do the usually very simple 10 cent repair that might require some flexibility he doesnt have anymore.
@@paulf3 i love it
Expertise costs.
@@oldmarine312 it also saves!
If you want to be a good PM or director you're gonna have to consider both very carefully, people who slog the work off hurriedly but without quality are just as bad and often cause trouble for their colleagues
The guy asking questions is like every employer, they want it done fast so they can pay you less.
Yeah most of them are business students lol
he does have a point. everybody wants to know what and why they are paying for x much amount of money and not y much of money
Yea, but with creative work this isn't how it works
Shouldn't every business owners goal be to maximize profit? This allows the business to succeed and the business owner gets to continue paying the employees that need the job and money. He couldn't allow the logo or project to take longer than necessary and overpay for it but you do that too many times and you're out of business and everyone is unemployed.
@@tico1267 "maximize profit" "paying the employees"
You do realize maximizing profits entails minimizing wages,right?
I've watched that video hundreds of times, it's amazing how Chris can carry a conversation that efficiently.
You know why that happens? Cus he already knows that question is coming and he already knows what's the best way to answer them. That's why he is Chris Do.
Bro you can clearly see the cuts...
What’s the name of the original video?
Dude was a plant
@@Baguenaudeur yeah LMAO
Exactly why I quit my salary job and got a commission job. Making twice the money for two thirds of the effort. Being efficient should reward you, not punish you.
Salary or the contract pays x amount.. it is usually extra work for no pay.. can't speak for everyone but its not a win for most employees.
That moment when you work faster than your other workers and have a moment to rest but your boss comes around the corner and asks why you aren't working and why you aren't helping your coworkers.
Hahahha. Yeaaah... They think you are slacking!
This right here
If you’re still on the clock, help your co workers.
@@jackstacks4980 Yeah, I will after I take a 5 minute breather from working so fast and efficiently leaving them in the dust.
@@jackstacks4980 yes but most importantly teamwork
This guy is a great teacher. Leading his students to arrive at their own answers through carefully placed questions. Socratic method at its best.
Edit: This is one of the first comments I’ve made that has got this much notice. Crazy to see how many unpleasant characters come out of the woodworks. Everyone thinks their opinions are undeniable fact & not just subjective perspectives.
Whats his name?!
Chris Do
I know of a great teacher named Jesus Christ.
@@michaelmontalvo1976 What's his TH-cam? Not sure whether I found the right channel
Umm, this only applies to art.
Have you people never heard of the service triangle? When commissioning a job, you pick two of the three options: quick, cheap, and high quality. If you want it quick and high quality, it won't be cheap. If you want it high quality and cheap, it won't be quick. And if you want it cheap and quick, it won't be high quality. This is just a basic dynamic of how our economy works.
@@southsider9638 he means cheap as in inexpensive. I learned about about this triangle myself a long time ago. That idea stuck with me ever since.
Yes I learned about this and was making good money on offer up. I used to buy bundles of hypebeast/ supreme stickers from China and would sell them 2-3 $ each. Then made enough to start my own little detailing business. 🍀
What about street food?
@@southsider9638 That wasn't quite the point. The point was that, if charging someone based on value over scale. It's basically about would you rather pay more and get a better product/result/service or pay based on throughput no matter what you get in return. for example, if you go to someone to get your car fixed and you pay someone $100 just to get your car function but there's someone else who can get your car almost like new but charges $200 instead. In that scenario you're paying for quality, versus someone who carges $100 to get it functional in 1 hour but another person can do it in 5 minutes but you still pay $100 to which you're paying for scale (more or less).
@@southsider9638 Well one could argue that in the discussion, paying for value AND scale is for the client side of the equation. From the video I would say they're discussing the Merchant side which for what the client wants are they going to get it based on its value or based on its scale, hence the service triangle.
Also we don't really know what the video was about. We just see based on a heavily edited and short snippet what the implied focus of the video is. Besides this discussion was based on this guy's comment.
preach. ive always been a fast worker, not necessarily the business person but definitely fast and high quality
This is why when I clean houses I don’t charge hourly. I charge by the size of the house, how many supplies I used, and the condition of the house.
That’s right, Mars! Quantitative production is the part most folks have not introduced to the discussion until now.
it’s also much more straightforward to clients what the final cost will be! sounds good
I clean houses by house size and hour. Minimized the people who have small 30 minutes houses with my 1 hour minimum for clients. Some houses can be $75 and hour and some houses can be close to $175 an hour. People who pay $175 have bigger houses and usually take about 3 hours. So instead of me doing it by house and charging $215 like my competitors I end up getting close to $500. In cleaning peoples houses you only need to cater to the ones who have money for the service not everyone else. A housekeeper is a want not a need. My first year changing it up to hourly and house size I made 23% more in profit than I did the first year.
That's the way to do it
And what type of happy ending your providing
I'm a graphic artist and my rule has always been simple:
1. Good work
2. Fast work
3. Cheap work
The customer can have any TWO of the above, on the understanding that they will not get the remaining option.
Fast + Cheap = Not Good
Cheap + Good = Not Fast
Good + Fast = Not Cheap
Cheap + Good = Not Fast , doesn't make sense honestly ...but ok
@@reineruto3061 he will do stuff in between. So it takes longer to finish the job
@@reineruto3061 next time just admit that you don’t understand. No need to down talk someone else. Especially when it’s done as an attempt to cover one’s inadequacy.
Just be real. It’s respectful and respectable.
Hahaha, I already took a screenshot of your comment, I love it
@@reineruto3061 I'll always take on work, and they are the conditions.
If someone wants a good job but they don't want to pay much, I tell them: "Sure, but it will always be the last thing I work on"
And I won't give a completion date.
Sometimes a client is prepared to wait.
Several years ago I painted a large mural on the wall of a library, the library and building were being refurbished and I was told I had 18 months to finish the job.
As I wanted the job, and I estimated there was approx 200 hours in it, I was able to put in a very low quote.
There were other factors: I was able to work on it outside normal work hours, etc
Cheap and Good is not an option that many take because I won't guarantee a deadline, but it is an option I offer.
This guy is explaining what every half designer goes through daily. Bless him.
Hahaha true man
"i'll pay you with exposure i got like 10k followers on instagram"
that's my favorite one
Not just designer. This is the same thing for anyone, selling anything, from cars, to a handyman to a construction company to a ball point pen.
@@r.achel044 people die of exposure!
This man is an amazing teacher honestly
I love this kinda thing. A serious question replied to by a clear, concise and meaningful argument. No personal feelings involved, no spiteful arguing, just learning taking place.
Except it's a broad, sweeping statement that doesn't take into account jobs like food service or law or anything where more work gets done the longer you work. A logo is going to be one (1) logo no matter how long it takes, but if I'm working at a restaurant, I'm renting out my free time, so yeah, the more I rent out, the more I need to be compensated.
@@farkasmactavish Well time isnt the actual metric. If I have no hands and you do, my time isn't as valuable as yours, when the task being assessed is something which requires hands. Labor theory of value is wrong, because you and I don't value our free time at the same rate, and our theoretical employer doesn't value our outputs the same, so there is no reason our compensation should be the same if we happened to work the same amount of time.
@@farkasmactavish That's a fair point by you. But the speaker in the video isn't actually talking about every occupation here and he definitely doesn't mean that this logic applies to every field. He mentors designers and this conversation here between him and the audience member is specifically in the design field's context.
@@ashishdimri5660 The video title is "Why Charging by the Hour Doesn't Make Sense". There is no nuance.
@@1110-s1t All of that is true and why you need to be assertive about how much your time is worth. Labor theory of value DOES make sense, especially when, yes, some people's labor is more valuable than others'. That's the way it is, no matter if it hurts your feelings to think about it. If you can't do the job as well, your time and effort aren't as important. Your options are to either get better, sell yourself better, or suck it up, buttercup.
He's basically explaining the difference between a subcontractor, who is hired on to complete a job at a set rate to drop a cost versus an employee who is paid by the hour to do a task.
This is to simple. There is work that takes specialization. There is work that will take time no matter the specialization. You have to do a cost to benefit analysis on both the specialization/lack of specialization needed vs/and/or including the amount of time/or lack of time taken or needed to complete the job. To attempt to simplify it’s a constant balancing ratio of how good a widget is/needs to be vs. how fast/many widgets made per unit of time. This guy sounds smart but he’s just trying to sound smart using this rather tired and overused conundrum. Economics is hard and complicated. Lol
@@StAlchemyst he is giving a basic brake down. Is it a bit oversimplified?
Yes.
But as a basic explanation it's not bad.
Subcontractors is a companies way to forgo quality control for increased profits. It saves them money
Thanks
@@CJ-xc9iy not just that, but it limits their liability, you don't have to carry unemployment insurance, or any type of injury insurance for subcontractors. And limits their tax responsibilities, they don't have to pay payroll tax or anything along those lines. If you're hiring employees as subcontractors you are complete scumbag, because you're just basically putting a lot of costs under them that the employer should be paying. As a subcontractor you have the right to work for any company you want to, and you make a lot more decisions regarding your work. If you're told exactly how to do something, not just told what the end product should be you're an employee not a subcontractor and if you're being paid as a subcontractor you're being ripped off.
Yup, lawn mower man here. "You were only here 15 minutes!" Yes, and my equipment, trailer, truck, and employees cost almost as much as your house...
Every thing he is using takes time to make as well..the market value of lawn mowing in theory should be super low because it's so easy. The only reason it isn't is due to the fact not many people are really looking to pay for grass cutting. If EVERYONE was looking to get their grass cut professionally though itd be cheaper yeah? Because competition will lower the price and they will attempt to go faster to do more yards so they can achieve payment of the same rate. This is how all products function in a market except for very rare cases. Those cases usually involve cultural influences
@@kanehemlock290 Super easy? For someone with a genius level IQ being a lawyer would be easy, should they be paid less because it's simple for them to fulfil that role? It's all relative.
After 4/5 months of a busy gardening season your body begins to suffer. You'll feel fatigued and have very little energy to do non-work related activities, it's accumulative.
Personally I've suffered a multilayer injury from a hedge trimmer cutting through the flesh, tendons and bone of two fingers which no longer flex to grip as they should. Back injuries etc.
Not having a go at you, but as an owner of a small gardening business I can assure you the majority of guys I've trained over the years weren't at an adequate level for the first 6 months or more.
You need to be physically fit, efficient and polite, as well as reliable (rare to find reliability)..
Like I said, not claiming cutting a lawn or hedge requires tremendous ability, but there's more to it than a one off 'whip over the lawn' - it goes on and on.
You're right about the cultural influences, where I live a standard rate would be around £25 p/h (30 ish dollars) because of the lack of foreign workers driving the prices down.
Of course these guys don't intend to stay in the country, they send it home where it's worth far more.
@@kanehemlock290 what about the service you received from the lawn co. ? Not all are the same..... did they cut your grass evenly, did they bag or leave shavings, if they left shavings, did they blow them out into the street or other neighbors yards ? Did they edge and weed set properly? Did they trim shrubs and weed flower beds? Also when yard co. Blow the grass shavings around it ends up in other peoples yards...say your yard or neighbors yard had weeds or a fungus and the yard co blew the shavings into your yard or the neighbors... now you have the weeds and the fungus contaminating said yard..! So not such an easy job if it’s done right and if it’s done right thus raising costs.
What's the average cost of houses where you live?
@@kanehemlock290 client are not competition.
I’ve literally been thinking this for years. Thank you for this clip. I’m not crazy 🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾🙌🏾
3 seconds, take it or leave it ladies, don’t punish me for efficiency 😤
Haha!
Lmao
I mean if u can make them satisfied in those 3 seconds its worth it
@@leadformeandmyself good point it's not efficient if its not good
🤣
This is true for blue collar jobs too. Example: An experienced mechanic with the proper tools can replace your brake pads in about 10-15 minutes. But if he hands you back your keys 15 minutes later, you’re going to be mad that you’re still paying for an hour of labor, feeling you’re being cheated. When actually, you’re trying to penalize both his skill and the dollars he’s invested in his tools to be able to do the job so quickly.
👌 thats a good example
As a mechanic i would just let the carsit there for half an hour so they'll think it took longer lol
Mechanics don't charge by the hour, they charge based on men needed for the job and supplies
@@mafiawaffle what car service or repair require multiple mechanics?
@@dp271 yeah, sadly that’s what we typically end up doing as well.
Common issue...
- "Come on, it took you just five minutes to do this on my laptop".
- Wanna know how many hours I spent learning how to do that in "just five minutes?"
i am also george g
He should reply.. "why dont u do it yourself then? U can save every single penny then.."
@@ahmadsyafiejalaluddin8110 I did, and now “your company” is directly in competition with mine.
Goodluck old boss, I won’t rest till your outdated old company is buried under mine 🤣😈
This sounds exactly like making mods on games for people. I wanted to make my own, took me 2 weeks to learn the coding (I'm not a computer guy, just a determined gamer.) Next thing I know, everyone that played my mod wanted me to make them one faster and cheaper than I made my own. I made 300 dollars then quit modding for other people.
So many coincidences I just had to leave a like and comment here. Yesterday I found a fairly decent kinda high priced 3D printer dirt cheap, basically free compared to its value because the extruders weren't working and it "wasn't behaving right" (the switches that set the max limit had a broken wire so it didn't know when to stop) Well being that I assemble 3D printers it took me 5-10 minutes to fix it didn't even need parts
The way you explained it was perfect.
This is so true in the workplace when you're running circles around people who can't even keep up with 20% of you but yet we're getting paid the same
Then maybe you should just chill?
Its gets to a point where you're working towards a promotion instead of a paycheck at the end of the week. If that doesn't work out then just carry that good work ethic to another job.
@@twayland6186 That's great advice
@@JealousyiSaSickness12 I understand what you mean, but I've come to understand that not everyone works the same way you or I do only because I was raised that way and maybe you were also. Having a strong work ethic isn't usually taught rather than influenced over your childhood just as my Father did to me. It sucks being the person that everyone relies on because some don't really want to do it or care, but it's what employers like to see and even though they may put a lot on you, don't think they don't appreciate it because they do.. Very much! In the back of their mind they know they have someone reliable and reliable people are VERY VERY hard to come by.
You may not have or get a promotion but you have the employers respect and that's worth much more than a title. Even if you don't see it that way
I wish people would understand this when artists charge a good amount of money for their work, you’re not paying for how much it’ll take them to complete it, you’re paying for their experience.
@Skip Passover imagine being this entitled.
Well said!
@@MVangelmx Or just that stupid.
@Skip Passover experience means in this context the collection of events that have happened in the past that led to knowledge for the artist, not having a nice time.
@Skip Passover you can’t be more stupid bro
There’s an old saying in the construction industry:
“Speed, quality, low cost. Pick two.”
Loved it ❤️
So I should pick Quality and Low Cost?
I don't get it...
@@lostpockets2227 only if you have the time.
@@maertsaidaem2106 oh, I get it now. thanks
@@lostpockets2227
You only get two, in any combination. You won’t get all three. If you want the job done fast and cheap, it’s not going to be the best craftsmanship. If you want it done fast and have the best quality product, it’s going to cost you. If you want the best quality craftsmanship with a limited budget, it’s going to take a while to get it done.
no one has every explained this issue more clearly than this man
That's why you always appreciate a good and quick artist because it took a lot of time and practice to get to where they are.
@Tom R if someone else was suppose to draw it, They would have taking longer but since the pro artists is good he can do it in a short amount of time thefore both of them should get the same amount of cash.
@Tom R Now think about the people who charge to expedite projects or give yours priority. They do that because they believe if they don't quicker, you should pay more. So why shouldn't the person who does it naturally faster get paid as much as the person who charges to expedite? The person who can do it quicker may have just honed their craft better than the slower person, doesn't mean it's less skills necessary.
Well it depends, a lot of art takes a long time. And I for one am very good at art, but I take forever. Someone else may be equally good and do it very quickly. The point isn't that an artist that is quick is good, because that's not always the case. The point is that your work should be worth what it is worth to the person, not for the time it took.
1 name
Bob Ross 🙏
This sentence seems very contradictary xD
I'm an artist.
This is EXACTLY why I don't tell clients that it takes me 3-4 hours to do a realistic 18x24 portrait. I did that once and all of a sudden they didn't want to pay me what they owed. When they get paid by the hour, judgement sets in when they come to you for the quality, but then they start doing the math.
Yeah all the farmers should start doing their cost based on value too....commie...
Or maybe I hope your never have a chance to complain about a high mechanic or doctor bill...
But im against a client making an agreement and trying to change it....thats b.s. completely, they saw your other work...they agreed to a price.
I dont like how much production went into this guys video, its fake, and its using a good point to encourage people to not seek better value elsewhere..
Im sure you've recieved clientele being that new alternate source yourself...
@@aengusmacindoic4084 You're not paying for length of time you're paying for quality.
@@ThouArtOfWar0724 actually there is always a balance....if you put in the work of looking you can find a similar or get lucky and find better.....but yes I agree that is an element...which is why you agree on a price first. Theres just this conspiracy to ever raise tge cost of everything endlessly and it gets old...you should always search for what you want, it makes more artists, and when you get more artists, art gets cheaper.....you have no idea how many more artists there are today than 10 years ago...and places like fivr and etsy and deviantart...sooner or later artists will have to come closer to the working output of fellow humans around them otherwise they will outcompete their prices....and the more well paying 4 hour jobs, makes even more wanting it for themselves.....
I think there might be more wisdom in those things they say about working full days and full weeks and having a day to rest, was more natural and balanced and a way no one else could complain about what youre doing for that rest and the world around you.
Wish we had a class like this in art school. As an animator, I have no clue how much to charge people for a 2 second clip that took me weeks to make
2 seconds? 💀 thas a whole sample
@@heyyyunderrated4712 Yeah, and at 60fps, its 120 frames!
@@blackshadow-_-c9441 except most animations aren’t at 60 frames. They’re actually at a 24 frames. There’s a video by Noodle talking about interpolation and animation it’s really interesting.
Have a base rate per frame and increase it depending on complexity
That’s high school economics
This amuses me and helps me unwind.
Picasso is sketching at a park. A woman walks by, recognizes him, and begs for her portrait. Somehow, he agrees. A few minutes later, he hands her the sketch. She is elated, excited about how wonderfully it captures the very essence of her character, what beautiful work it is, and asks how much she owes him. “5000 francs, madam,” says Picasso. The woman is incredulous, outraged, and asks how that’s even possible given it only took him 5 minutes. Picasso looks up and, without missing a beat, says: “No, madam, it took me my whole life.”
Thank you.
The sketch: brzcJdkYwlsLaqpidGdktvs
Actually, Picasso was 20 years old when he started to become famous. So no, not "my whole life". And there are many who learn much more in much, much early stages, while people brag about decades of "experience".
@@akiraic it took his whole life when he said it. So it did took his whole life to be that good even he was 20. Again there’s always going to be a better skilled person than you on certain tasks, but that’s not the reason for paying less. And you might be better than someone else on other thins as well. But I do understand the bragging part. It’s frustrating so personally i think just let the work speaks for itself. If it sucks, tell them that your experience isn’t paid off like you said this time and move on. Ironically another experience gained isn’t it?
And whatever it took for her to convince Picasso probably took the woman her entire life as well
This guy is 2 steps ahead of everyone else.
Really intelligent way of educating others
Yes, this way of thinking is great but it applicable only for a certain type of job..people that have a job like working in supermarkets etc must be paid by rhe hour.
@@valliantlupori3701 Yes correct. I think it's definitely suited to people who own their own business and provide a service and not an actual product.
@@valliantlupori3701 tell that to a waiter or waitress who gets tips
@@scioli700 i live in eu where waiters have a base salary + tips. So even better for them.
I have to make my job last about six hours for a decent paycheck when actuality I can do it in two.
Time to be your own boss.
What job
@@travisn92 yes
Well if they were to pay you the same amt for 2 and 6 hours of work, why wouldnt they choose to keep you for 6?
@@JoseAndCode did you not watch the video? or did all the words just go out the other ear?
The video is about per hour payment. For example, if I finished a project in 2 hours rather than 6 hours, I would receive less money, because I'm being payed based on how long I've spent on it.
First he said I will pay you more if you took your time. Now he’s saying, why did you take that long.
So what is it? Long or not long
It's just bs
A girl makes deals like this 😂
I really just watched this twice on a loop and thought they were still making their case back and forth
Orale
Bruh me too😂😂
@@cloutgangster si mon
Lmao
Same bruh
I’m a delivery driver for Amazon , and this is the case with them.... they give us 8 hour routes , which if you deliver all your packages in 6 hours , they add more packages on .... so being punished with more packages because you are too fast .... we pay you for 8 hours , and by god , you will work 8 hours !
I’m quitting amazon after hearing this.
I work amazon flex and they dont do this to me i finish early sometimes and go home
@@MrJokey16 mate , I do Amazon flex on my days off and on good days when I finish routes before the last blocks are posted .... flex is piss easy compared to the contractor routes.... over Christmas I was getting 180 drops , 250 packages ..... Amazon flex never gives more than 40 drops now.... flex routes differ though , some take the piss and got you doing a lot of miles in rural areas , or you could have a nice little cluster and smash 30 in an hour , luck of the draw I suppose
Amazon driving is like the new fast food job
@@CR4zyTorTiLLa I know kebab shop delivery drivers who make £150 night .... even fast food can make good cash
This is the clip that brought me to your channel! I'm so glad it did! It won't be long before I've watched every single video.
Same thing in the workplace. If youre very good at your job and can do quality work in less time , suddenly management thinks theyre being ripped off because you have some free time
Completely agree. I can do all my job in 5 hours as opposed to 8 but if I left after getting all my work done then I’m docked pay even though all my work got done which doesn’t make sense. Now I just work slower so at least my whole day is filled.
That is employer dependent. I can do more tha others in the time I'm at work because I can multitask and will do the job/s efficiently.
All I have to do is go on leave and they notice the difference.
Yes, others could do the same, but am jet to come across that person where I am yet.
@@himynameis3102 I can relate cause I had an eight hour job working second shift and then transferred to grave yard finished everything in four hours went on vacation for a week and that missed me just like my check missed what my work was truly worth
"As a business person, yes"
*guy proceeds to explain why that's bad business*
That's the kind of person you don't want to be your boss. Well I don't see you work the full 8 hours therefore you don't work
Tbh almost everyone claims to be a business person if their a business owner of any sort. Or if their some snarchy middle aged dude in the suburbs who invested in the stock market after watching a few TH-cam videos on the subject. Let alone any young hippies who invested in a crypto currency once.
@@rageraptor7127 what you're saying is bullshit. Most companies some portion of their employees pay by the hour. Those are very successful businesses
@@bubbleteaichooseyou that's the mentality against work from home even though work gets done faster in many cases
@@robm6726 yep. It's become blatantly obvious some "managers" thought they deserved a bloated salary to watch other people work (micro manage) or the business would come to a grinding halt without their cracking the whip.
As a craftsman I used to hit this exact same problem with homeowners. I would bid a flat fee on a job and because I’m fast and efficient and good at my job I would make a lot of money and when they would see how much money I was making and they would break it down by the hour it bothered them because sometimes I would make upwards of $300- $400 an hour. I notice this especially bothered people who had a fancy degree. They thought because I didn’t have a degree that I shouldn’t make that kind of money. I actually had one gentleman tell me those words exactly and I told him to stick his job up his ass. Just because I didn’t sit in a classroom for 4-8 years doesn’t mean I shouldn’t make good money, my classroom was the job site and 20+ years of education
True indeed 👍🏾
Yeah show 'em Jeremy!
They also don't realize they're paying for your tools as well. As a homeowner Ive researched how to do certain things, determined I could probably do them, but I'd have to rent equipment, transport it, buy reusable parts for it, learn how to operate it, etc. And it might not even come out right after all that effort, or I might end up damaging something or injuring myself. When you actually look at all that a job entails, the price usually makes sense. And that's before taxes, licensing, insurance, etc that we don't have to worry about in our hourly payments. Plus, I'm guaranteed an 8 hour day; my handyman is not.
Bro during the pandemic we (tradesmen and women) made bank
Hell yeah! You go, dude!
Productivity is an undervalued commodity
I love the guided questioning that he uses to educate the people in the room. Leading a student to their own answer is the best!
Socratic method
If I do a job in 30 minutes it’s because I spent 10 years learning how to do that job in 30 minutes. You owe me for the years not the minutes.
Not to be rude. I dont get what you said. Let say it took you 10 years learning your craft. Why would i pay you for those 10 years? What if youre just slow or dumb to understand it to finish it in just 6 yrs?
@@creestee08 we don't get to tell a doctor we'll pay him/her whatever we want because they only spent 15-20 mins with us. A doctor went to school for 8 years so he/she could efficiently provide an invaluable service.
Davy Greenberg
@@GigglewithFelix321 im not sure where im going with my thoughts. its just that a doctor can only be practicing if they passed the state exams. if not, you cant solicit a fee for a service that you arent licensed to.
are med students even allowed to get a license if they were able to finish the whole curriculum in 4 yrs instead of 8?
@@creestee08 How would you learn something that takes 10 years in 6? Thats how you end up with shitty work
I believe this is why comic book artists charge by the page and why comic books are 20 to 40 pages long
Even then, charging by the page is fucked, because it encourages lazy, low detail, unpolished panels to wrap up pages quicker.
Blue lantern logo. Nice.
You realize 90% of comic book artist are paid absolute trash right?
@@Jester2189 then perhaps I should have said independent comic book artists
@@dm_dude nice if you notice so few people do
This concept blew me away recently when I noticed in iceland there's no minimum wage the wages are agreed upon at hiring its kinda Interesting
This was literally the first thing I thought when I was a kid and learned that people are paid by time. The simple reason is because that's the easiest way to do it, not because it's the most accurate
Yup gotta get them connections to get the discounts
Depends on the job. Some jobs hourly makes a lot of sense, others it’s just dumb
Master your craft, and you can charge whatever you want.
From a perspective of selling ones labor, it is the most accurate. When you give an hourly price you are doing so to be properly compensated for your time used, if the product of that time is not of equal value, that isnt your concern. You got what you wanted regardless of whether the client got a better or worse deal than they should have.
it always amazed me because on my country we are paid monthly.
which i also kinda feel weird about because some months has more days and workdays than others. but it works
That's why I quit my job, I was faster than others and for that being punished with giving more work for the same salary.
I've always told my friends:
Don't do more than you're asked for, unless you're getting paid more.
Don't work for free, value yourself and what you know. You are worth it.
@@Rezzell I totally agree. Of course I tried it.. But that kind of life is boring and limited.. And even calculated.. It's impossible to reach the full potential. You just look at the clock when it's time to go home.
@@sanjafiliposka Same!
I hate working slow and its hard for me to just fake working.
It makes time go by so sloooow
@@ComPTonRiLLO the answer is - opening your own business! ♥
That’s like the stupidest thing you could’ve done💀
Kudos to the awesome student,willing to put himself out there create an effective dialogue for the rest of the class/seminar. Assuming that's what it was
It's most likely fake.
I don’t think he got it at all. He’s in the old business mindset.
Not really. The presenter made no sense. Wages already incorporate productivity. You are paid by the hour, assuming a certain level of output. What is he EVEN TALKING about????
@@phillip8596 what he said made sense, idk what you're talking about though...
@@Brayn126 its not fake its an un scripted improve scenario
This never gets old.
New train breaks down on tracks.
Engineer who designed train was on board. They asked him to fix it.
He ask for a hammer, walks to front of train looks around a bit and wacks train. It fires right up. They said send us a bill.
Received bill for $50,000.
They sent request for itemized bill for 5 min work.
Returned invoice
- hammer $0.00
- knowing where to hit train $50,000
Best story award goes to you my friend 🤩
@@bertyadventures stolen comment story is originally about a guy working in a factory he draws a x on a machine that stoppen working he charged a dollar for the chalk he used and 9.999 for the knowledge of where to put the x same story but come on tell the originall stlry atleast
@@carlito19934 it’s not stolen, there’s so many versions of the same story, when I first heard it, it was about a cargo ship’s engine
@@carlito19934 when I first heard this story it was about a mechanic and a car.
@@translucenttiger3649 the cargo ship engine is the original
I feel like school follows this flawed method too. Whenever you get done with work early, the teacher still has to keep you busy so you're given more work. It incentives you to work slower and to push things off until the last minute.
edit : some people seem to think that i meant that teachers should allow students to not try or to just sit and distract others who are still working, that wasnt my intention at all. there are also people saying that this extra work can be practice or might be important. thats not what im talking about either. im talking about the teachers who see that youre done with all the tasks they had planned for that day, dig out some old piece of random work they had stockpiled from years past, and give it for you to do, despite it not being worth anything grade wise and not at all pertaining to the actual curriculum. there are also teachers that will assign a bunch of extra work to everyone, just because they had a few faster learners that finished early. this can be pretty hard on the other students, who now have to struggle to keep up. i also dont think all teachers are bad, but that sometimes even the nice ones can end up doing this without realizing its uselessness. i think a good alternative to having students feel like they need to procrastinate or having students waste learning time due to lack of work is to motivate them to finish work early by promising a more fun, equally as educational, activity for them to do afterwards. in my ELA class, this was done by having us compete and learn the material through games like quizlet and kahoot, with winners being rewarded candy (and this was a senior honors class in highschool, so teachers shouldnt assume that students will grow out of fun methods like that) and in my science class, this was seen through a game of trashketball, where we split into teams and had opportunities to answer the science based questions, and if we answered correctly we had time to choose a distance to throw the ball from in hopes of landing it in the bin for team points. its fun stuff like that which can motivate students to want to finish up and work harder, while at the same time giving them a reward thats still educational. plus with games like trashketball and kahoot, its a good way to have a not very social class start to open up and have students communicating with others, even if its just with jokes and teasing about wrong answers. i havent seen a downfall to this so far, and for students like me who had difficulty paying attention to long winded powerpoints and large textbook passages, it was a great way to actually learn the material in a way where itd stick.
edit 2 : sorry for such a long edit 😅
In my school if we finished work early the teacher would let us chill or have casual conversation as long as it didnt disrupt other students
@@maxithalo7796 I've had some teachers like that, but I've also had teachers who couldn't stand giving their students any leiway and would just give you constant busywork. Ironically the worst teacher I had who did that was an art teacher, normally you'd expect them to be chill... Not her
@@user-bv3yy8sq3f too may teachers out there are just power deprived bullies
@@user-bv3yy8sq3f no in my experience it’s usually the art teachers that do that
@@bimcha8345 if you read the other comment I left, I said the worst teacher that I had do that was an art teacher. Regardless, non art teachers can do this as well and it's going to be different for every single school.
I was the most efficient pit boss in a bbq company and corporate had me give them tips on how I was so fast. I was full time in school too so I asked to get off early. They declined. So I asked for a raise. They declined.
So I quit.
Good for you. Never stay at a place where they simply tolerate you, go to where they compensate your efficiency.
Even better is that less than a month later I was offered a higher paying job that was in the same field as my major. I got to choose my hours rather than wake up at 5am to smoke meat.
They came back to me and offered me the raise. I declined. Later I learned that that manager was investigated for being the reason so many people quit. He no longer works there.
@@_Atlas. wow
@@_Atlas. a happy story, i like it
Reading this, I'm hungry for some BBQ. Thanks man -_-
Ive always loved the response: "as a business person, yes" hahaha
Literally me when I leave work early it’s like “oh I did a good job today? I finished all my work early and did it better than I usually did I must admit.. and now I lose half an hour to an hour of pay for being good at my work”
That’s why I hate hourly work. You have to wait to go home .
@Eclipse3131
You’re trading the hour of wage for free-time. Time has value just like cash. You can make money with a side hustle, accomplish a household task, relax; whatever the extra hour gives you.
@@andrewlinn7863 it's stupid, don't try to justify it.
@@luisgay5897
“It’s stupid, don’t try to justify it.”
What’s stupid, and why?
@@andrewlinn7863 cmon man, read your last words again. It isn't that hard to get
I've been in the restaurant industry for about 7 years now. A while back I realised that no matter how good I am, how fast I go, or how much I learn, there will always be potatos and onions to cut.
My hard work only ensures that the company that I work for now has the idea that they can stack more work on top of what I'm already doing because I can handle it. Raises are far and few to begin with. Why work harder and longer for a company that punishes you by giving you more work and not more money?
What about personal satisfication? You can work hard for a few days then resume the usual effort.
@@justanothernguyen2334 not the case, I made the mistake of coming into a job with 90% effort and ending up with 100 more things to do at the end of the week because of it then you get tired of all the extra work and slow down then they ask what’s going on and why you aren’t working.
Morale of story is go into a job a put in like 60-70% effort so you don’t get slammed with more work because they know you can handle it
@@justanothernguyen2334 my personal satisfaction comes from working out tbh
@@justamerewizard that's true. I've seen it. Employees working the bare minimum are known as slackers and they get to do less. Employees going above and beyond all the time will get a talk the day they don't feel like working 🤷🏽♂️. It doesn't make sense
As someone who commissions art, I appreciate also when the art has a base price rather then an hourly. It shows the artist is confident enough to what their value should be for a project as a whole, and I do not have to worry as they mention suddenly a project costing way more from the hours expected on the project's budget.
For sure dude
This is why when I give quotes I still do hourly, but provide my quote as a maximum price.
It works as long as the client doesn't do 37 changes. Seriously, it happens. It's almost done and HOURS have been put in snd suddenly the guy's girlfriend comes along snd says "well, I don't really like it." And suddenly your starting all over again. That's when patience and lack of weapons being readily available becomes mandatory.
@@sarahbooth3751 your not wrong.
I’ve been drawing for 19 years, only started doing commissions last year December, and I still don’t get how people base price their artwork, or do an hourly
Entry level shift jobs: pay by the hour
Managing Jobs: pay by salary, commissions.
Skill based jobs: pay based on efficiency, skill and reputation. Example: look at my edited pictures, you like the quality. Look at my rates, you like the efficiency. Look at your request, make a deduction.
Good one
Everyone who works retail knows this. Seeing people be lazy while you sweat and you get scolded for everything not being perfect .
facts, definitely in the retail business
I seriously think everyone in retail should be paid so much more it’s just sad how undervalued they are...
@@lauraborabeee not everyone. I worked with mostly 18 year olds but I’m nearly 30 and worked at my job for nearly a decade. Same pay. These 18 year olds are on their phone or hiding most of the day while me and another older gentleman are sweating.
@@killcam8552 That is true... what I think then is they should allow growth in retail like the ability to move up and possibly reach head office someday just something to reach for.
@@killcam8552 why not try to move up within the company so you can be paid more than the 18 year olds
This my friends is why roadworks are never finished
As long as they'redone before the deadline they don't care. One of my first jobs was for a truck fleet washing service and the other workers told me not work so quickly. They didn't want the owner to see how long it actually should take to finish some of the jobs when I worked alone. That type of attitude is for people that just want to barely scrape through life. .
@@twayland6186 or ppl that dont care about the job they hate. id do that too. im not gonna pour my true authentic self into a job i dont care too much about
@@user-oz1ny or that doesn’t care about you
@@user-oz1ny I have been in a situation where I have had a boss talk about how badly he wanted to fire someone but still needed them. And the reason they weren’t able to show up to work was because she had gotten into a car crash and had broken her spine. Despite knowing this my boss and all my other bosses just agreed to it would be a good idea to fire her and they talked so much smack about her behind her back. All because she missed a few days of work that they were supposed to use for vacation time. That they won’t get because none wanted to be hired by the company since it didn’t pay its worker well. I then began to wonder if they say that’s bout her and talk about replacing her so easily. What kinds of stuff do they talk about when talking about other people let alone myself when me miss a day or choose not to cover for them. When the company promised them days off. Not me. Like if the company says you will get a week off, but no-ones there to cover it. Then that’s the companies fault. Not some random worker that broke her spine that the company made you look after. (That’s not even mentioning the fact that the statement would imply she would loose her company sponsored healthcare program she needed)
This is why unions and hour based work is unfortunate for consumer and task based employees. Late, gotta keep you, slow to do job gotta keep you. Fast employee, all work done by lunch? Must be lazy