I really hate how people try to dismiss what former legends accomplished. Competition is always relative to the time. For example, Lebron is said to have faced the stiffest competition, yet he also has had some of the most firepower at his disposal through players that he aligned himself with. Regarding Wilt, just as it was with Russell and Kareem, he played against other tall players. He just was better than pretty much all of them.
🫡Yup, my issue is that I still don't see what overly super-stiff talent LeBron played against. The League went Defenseless by Commissioner design and when did Bron check his man defenselessly all game. On offense Lebron runs thru as many picks as Steph Curry. I just don't see it when I watch him play. I would luv the stat of how many of Bron's All-time scoring total points were actually contested shots.
@bigjay52 I agree, regarding how disempowered defenders are. Also, Bron doesn't impress me when comparing him to other greats that came before him; not when I was doing defensive shuffling and sliding drills all in my early teen to mid-20's, in addition to other exercises though taught and reinfoced fundamentals. To me ain't that guy. He cannot see MJ on both ends of the floor when you take a look at both of their careers in full.
@@keomatherapper amen, between PEDs and teammates LBJ has stacked the deck, Kobe Bryant was exponentially better than James, LBJ is probably 10 or 11 of all time if you remove PEDs he ends up with only 3.5 championships and questionable stats giving juiced stats which will get asterisk
Erik is dead ass wrong. Who TF is stopping Wilt in today’s game??? Give that man his respect!! Wilt was just a freak, just like Shaq, so there really is no one in NBA history that could guard him in ANY era. The only reason he didn’t win more chips is that the Celtics had a starting line up of hall of famers and those Celtics would smoke any team in today’s game because they played team ball and had Red Auerbach piloting the ship. It’s ignorant to believe the NBA was unathletic back then, they just weren’t taught to play that way until Pistol broke the mold.
Brah we got instagram models, fansonly, and women with bbls if wilt had that record he had off the court in the 60s ain’t no way wilt would be wilt in todays era
Eric hasn’t done his research. Was anyone athletically that advanced to stop Shaq? No. Nate Thurmond. Walt Bellamy. Bill Russell. Willis Reed. Wilt faced better centers than there are today.
No, Kobe didn't try to get scoring title. He wanted Chips over title. And if you remember, Phil told Kobe to scale it back from scoring so that they wouldn't lose Shaq being engaged. Kobe was on a 40-point scoring streak at that time, and he let off the gas because of Phil.
Kobe played for the scoring title in 2005, and they missed the playoffs that year. Running the shot clock down looking for your shot and passing last second to a teammate hoping he’ll bail you out. That pretty much summed up the 2005 season. Kobe scored lots of points, but the lakers kept losing. I think the next year Kobe was told to pass more during the playoffs vs PHX, and in the deciding game 7 Kobe didn’t shoot at all. Versus OKC in WCF Bynum was the mismatch but Kobe wanted to take over and they lost that series. As great as a player as Kobe was, when he tried to go for stats the lakers usually lost
@teamcaveman The All time scoring title not regular season bro. And after Shaq left he got the regular season scoring title. He wasn't worried about that. He could of got that every year damn near but was it always going to contribute to him winning? Probably not. He wanted to WIN. Most times when Kobe scored 40 plus they won those games. EVen when he went on thay scoring streak. The y were winning those games and he shot high % in these games. He scored because that's what his job was, and his teams weren't built to win many games, so he had to pick up the slack or lose Bynun wasnt that good bro lol. OKC was just the better team period.. It was tough after Shaq however He went to 3 chips when Shaq left and won 2.
@@3dtraining633 they won after they stole Gasol and Bynum matured…they missed the playoffs after Shaq left. Struggling is being a lower seed and facing a tough first round. Missing the playoffs is just sucking!! They didn’t win too any games in 2005. He went for 40 many times and they lost because of it. No denying he could score at will, but so could Bird. Lakers went up 3-1 vs PHX, and game 4 and 5 Kobe was trying to score, not win. Pass it to a role player at the end of the game who hasn’t shot all game and expect him to be in rhythm? Even Kobe needed to shoot several times to get in rhythm. And then blame all the other guys why they lost. Kobe knew he shot the team out of those 2 games and instead of manning up he stopped shooting game 7 like a baby. Versus Pistons in the finals he wanted MVP so bad he tried to go away from Shaq…that’s why they lost. Detroit played well for sure but he played right into their hands and made it easy for them. His greatest games are versus sorry teams during the regular season when he’s trying to pad his stats. Most teams try and blow out the suck teams and rest at end of the game giving role players more court time. Not Kobe, even shooting more and staying in the game when it’s mathematically ever. Maybe later he played to win, but there was a long stretch when he played for stats
@teamcaveman NOBODY would agree that Kobe played for stats. Again, he could have gotten whatever stats he wanted to get. He was a scorer that was not hard to do for him. He did what had to do to get wins. He took more pride in winning games. He purposely didn't shoot vs. Suns to prove a point to Phil that without him scoring, we can't win. Thus, he was 5 for 7 in Chmapionahips. And he has winning playoff record. That tells you it's WINS over stats bro. Your mistakenly thinking he's chasing scoring because he scores. That's not the case. That's just what he does. He's a bonifde scorerr. It comes easy to him.
@@penkima4923 Think about all the veterans who admittedly didn't have the balls to shoot those shots. Think about the next season and Del Harris not starting him nor playing him the minutes he should but he was an all star starter. Stop it!!
Eric sounds like typical Bron fanboy fanatic in this segment 🥱🥱🥱🥱 We understand the level of play naturally evolves and players get better, but its due to learning the game from THE PAST..also, Wilt and rest of these older gentlemen was out there playing in chucks..dealing with racism and prejudice..no technology..riding the bus to games..all while making low salary. if they had to be "janitors" to make more money to survive and provide, power to em brah and respect ✊🏽. These JJ reddick clowns are straight disrespectful in the name of their king and savior, Lebron. Pathetic
Tell em Dom!!! We aint grading on a curve around here!!! lol...she's admitting they are celebrating mediocrity in today's league so Lebron can NEVER be the GOAT if this is what's happening. lol...the league is garbeej.
Erik just proves that just because you think you know something, doesn't mean that you ACTUALLY know something. He missed Key Points she was trying to make, because he couldn't stfu long enough to hear what she was trying to say. Nobody. I repeat NOBODY in today's Game would stop Wilt from doing a DAMN THING to score Points.
I literally hate when discredit athletes in the past as if they were not good just because they have a job outside of playing sports. Like c'mon now, how people we know work regular 9 to 5 jobs, but they gets busy on the court with real skills? We gotta stop the false narrative of saying this generation of hoopers weren't good because they work jobs too lol! We went to school, did homework and played ball outside til nighttime, does us being full time students make us less athletic or without basketball prowess because we go to school 😂 To say teachers, plumbers, garbage men can't play or have serious basketball IQ and skills is asinine. You will never hear football or baseball players speaking like that about the previous greats of their professional sport. But that's what the NBA conversation is about now, degrading the previous greats to try to promote the new era as better.
People really think plumbers and janitors playing basketball is a bad thing. I'll take a real man on my squad over a nepotism baby that is scared of hard labor. The men were men back then. Men that served their country..went to war...came back.. worked construction and would still give you 40 points.
Man, you know damn well Bron knew he was close to the scoring title lol. Make no mistake about it, Bron is very INTENTIONAL with everything that he does involving his legacy. The scoring title was definitely on that list.
When he got to 81 there was only 40+ seconds left in the game. He's prolly referring to the 62 in 3 quarters game vs Dallas not the Toronto game th-cam.com/video/FeXZY4eVLlo/w-d-xo.htmlsi=_UjpWt3s1QzWGasb 81 point game th-cam.com/video/7zjOegOAboc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=Wboef_3lqIpsWY_m 62 in 3 quarters
Wilt is forever in my Top 3. You have to go back and actually watch him play. Wilt was Hakeem before Hakeem. He had excellent footwork, a fadeaway jumper that no one could stop, and his vision on the court, of course for his height, was par none. Wilt was THEE most dominant center the league has ever seen. Forget Bill's titles. That man was surrounded by Hall of Famers his entire career with mid numbers. Technically, he was Lebron before Lebron if you look at it closely. Lebron is more athletic than Bill ever was, but the circumstances for his time reminds me a lot of him and his quest for titles. Bill wasn't dominating players so much as working with his teammates in a very efficient way. Lebron, unfortunately, isn't effiicient. Forget his numbers, he's a bum. Sorry Mel, you know how I feel about Lebron fam...😂
People tend to discredit the talent of the past generations but remember the pyramids were built over 5000 years ago and we still are not sure how they did it and would have difficulty trying to replicate them today. We are all "victims" of the present time.
Nobody would be physically fit enough in todays game to stop Wilt. The same case can be made for Shaq. Wilt(track athlete at Kansas) was actually more skill and faster than Shaq. We have to get away from cause we didn't see it it's not relevant. We didn't see WW2, but it happened. We are actually in the weaker era of human beings now. More access to knowledge, but weaker. A lot of us couldn't handle the day to day that our grandparents dealt with. Love your show by the way. Your panel is on point.
Kobe was not tryna get it , he couldn’t score like he wanted to till shaq left , so I’m sure he knew he was too far behind Kareem , but he wanted to pass Jordan , that’s all he cared about
Great Segment, and conversation, here are some absolutes that we must also be able to have some clarity. Going back to 2003, the rape allegation and full exoneration I may add, are when the assault by the media changes everything for Kobe Bryant. He was denied several MVPs and other potential honors. Truthfully his legacy would not have been any different based on the media’s forever perception of him and tear down. As for Wilt Chamberlian, he was not great enough to win championships, imposing yes, physically gifted at the time, yes, his lack of team knowledge impacted the chances he had to win big at the highest level during the 1960s.
Plus, Wilt was a freak of nature athlete, meaning it would have been easy for him to dominate in ANY era, despite who his competitors were, he was just great period. Y'all comparing a GIANT to the majority of men, that's proving Dominique's point. Wilt faced great competitors, but he was just too big and dominant for most players to stop.
Kobe's 81 points is greater than Wilt's 100 points due to how Wilt scored most of his 100 points which were close to the basket. Records are meant to be broken so I don't agree at all with Phil Jackson when he stopped Kobe from breaking Wilt's record. WHY? That's the same as a referee calling a bogus OFFENSIVE FILE ON KOBE TO nullify the bucket that he just scored that would have won the game. That's F*CKING RIDICULOUS. I bet he wouldn't have puled Jordan out of the game in the same situation. Phil has always respected Jordan more than Kobe, until now because now, the greatness of Kobe is finally coming to light in so many peoples eyes thanks to the many podcast like this one that have told us about who Kobe was and the things he did.
Phil would've held Jordan back too😂and you can't say you know Phil respected Jordan more you don't know what he thinks😂Kobe was great he's my top 3 favorite but people who really watched him already know✅
So first you don't believe Wilt scored the 100 because nobody seen it. Next you believe all his points were scored close to the basket. How could you possibly know that? There wasn't a 3 point line. That basket area was always loaded to try and contain Wilt. The Knicks didn't exactly have Willis Reed yet but they didn't have a Toys R US manager like you guys think either. The man averaged 50 that year so it's conceivable to believe he could've scored a legit 100. That's like not believing a 30 ppg scorer can get 60 when they usually do
Although Kobe had a 20-year career he did not play 20 years count the years he was hurt and count the years he barely played under Dale Harris that would be 17 years
John Sally just be saying anything.. I don't respect any of his comments because he be lying.. Phil did not stop kobe from breaking Wilt's record (well at least not in that game) Phil pulled kobe with 4 seconds left in the 4th quarter of that 81pt game. You can't even get 19pts in 4 seconds on 2k😂😂.
@3dtraining633 stop embarrassing yourself and clean your glasses, Devin George subbed in for kobe with 4.2 seconds left.. he played the entire second half except those 4.2 seconds. Move along bruh
You could say on one hand with a smaller League you have condensed talent but you also have a smaller talent pool which makes it easier for a great player to dominate. A completely unrelated example for me personally is this game I used to play a lot called geometry wars. On Xbox live 134 in the world was my highest ranking but on Nintendo I'm ranked number one in the world on several leaderboards because the talent pool is much smaller. When you have a larger talent pool you have more fierce competition and it becomes much more difficult to ascend to the top...
And winning championships lost their splendor when these players started teaming up to chase rings. Who orchestrated that move? Hmmmmmmm I wonder who, but I do remember all the legend saying when this individual won his first ring that he wasn’t a true champion. They asked people like Mike would they have ever joined forces with other stars to win and Mike said no. He said he was too busy trying to beat those guys to even imagine playing with them. Funny how no one talks about that now. We praise the guy for breathing and he is magically in the goat conversation I swear people are sheep.
Wilt Chamberland worked as a Bell Hop during the off season. It's all relative it was the times. Wilt was no different he had a regular job. But he was also a High Jump and Track Champion
This sister is more aware of the history of the game, then the man debating her. Wilt was a freak then, and would be a freak in today's game. Wilt was a physical freak, was bench pressing 500lbs before games, was a track athlete, and was a world class volleyball player. Anyone who has really watched film of wilt would realize, he wasn't just a big man dunking on smaller players. He was a skilled basketball player! That dude arguing with her, didn't do any research, if he had he wouldn't be making these ignorant comments.
How that man sit there and ask when is it not about winning. I’m glad Dominique immediately said what she said. Bro like do you watch today’s sports and do you see what the headlines are? They literally gave this dude Bronny a shoe deal for being Lebron’s son he is always talked about. They headlined them having their first father son pass and Lebron passing the ball to Bronny but didn’t show him missing the shot. Like cmon man I don’t get how people are turning and blind eye to what sports has become. Stop degrading the old legends who built the sport up so the new generation can take it for granted and tear it down. Them dudes were competitors and played for the love of the game and respected one another and wanted to beat the best to be the best. These guys now are all talk no one competes no more they are joining up to win rings. How can you say you are the best ball player in the world when you are winning with the best players on your team. Make this make sense.
Salley is telling a fib. The six minutes Kobe sat were at the start of the second quarter when no one, including Phil, knew he would finish the game with 81. Kobe had logged 17 points when Phil rested him. Kobe Bryant then played the ENTIRE second half til Phil sat him with FOUR SECONDS left in the game. The stupidity of this topic makes my head hurt.
Kobe was a nothing but a second option player in 2003 it was Shaq that had the biggest impact on winning. On the biggest stage Kobe shot 36% in the 2000 finals, 41% in the 2001 finals, 2004 finals 38%, 2008 finals 40%, 2009 finals 43% and 2010 finals 40%. The best finals he shot in was 2002 and Shaq avg 36-12-4-3 winning FMVP. MJ gets criticized for shooting 41% in the 1996 finals well that’s the % Kobe shot in all his finals combined. Go look at Kobe first 8 years with Shaq. He’d shoot 47% in the regular season and once the playoffs came around 43 to 42%. No matter how hard Kobe worked efficiency was something he struggled with!! Kobe starting record without Shaq from 1999-2004 was 23-26 they were below avg. Shaq record without Kobe in that same time frame was 31-10. In 2003 when Kobe was putting up all those 40 points games without Shaq that season Kobe lakers went 5-10 and Kobe +\- was -40 combined. After Shaq left we saw prime Kobe lakers struggle to be a .500 team for 3 years missing the playoffs and getting boot first round. Shaq was the big dog on that team!! Kobe is still a great top 10 to 15 all time but people have elevated him into discussions he doesn’t belong.
I actually agree with Eric on this outside of the plumbers and janitors comment. But truth is Wilt was the biggest and strongest of his Era then Bill Russell was second. There was absolutely no1 in that era that could do anything to wilt who was 7'1 with a 40+ inch verticle. If Wilt had a team around his entire career like Bill Russell he would definitely have more than 2 rings....
Kobe himself outscored an entire team in 3 quarters who else had done that I mean 81 is cool but outscoring an entire team in 3 quarters not just any team Dirk Mavs
for this dude "poshhhking" in the live chat: kenny smith said the rockets had to change ALL OF THEIR PLAYS on offense when they played the bulls because of MJ otherwise jordan "would destroy the play" ... they were told "if jordan is on that side then DON'T run the play on that side ---move it to the other side" kobe is NOT on jordans level bro even clown- boy gilbert arenas got this right ... he said kobe was imitating jordan AFTER mike came back from playing baseball... and he STILL was not on jordans level the MJ from 1984- 93 kobe could never fly like that --- no one could even TRY to imitate that MJ kobe was not even the primary dude on the first 3 championship teams; jordan was ALWAYS that guy with bulls again: when you compare someone to jordan you just bring out that players bad points so just don't even do it... just say "he's all time great" and leave it at that
Wilt did what did in his era which is remarkable but will forever be known as the early years of basketball. I also knew about Phill not wanting Kobe to break Wilts record before Kobe passed which is really sad. To the lady sticking up for yester year basketball I'll say this; the white guys back then weren't advanced enough to stop good white guys let alone athletic black guys dominating the league. Miss me with the league being condensed and 4 HOF's on one team will outplay one goliath with a supporting cast. The man didn't say everyone was garbage, he said no one was able to stop the Celtics because of the stacked squad. Wilt couldn't do it by himself and we all know this, the same with MJ and Kobe. Magic proved even with a stacked team you won't be able win the chips the Celtics from the 60's because of the amount of teams now. Yes it would've changed Kobe's legacy because that feat would have Kobe only fans saying he eclipsed MJ hands down and most certainly erased any doubt LBJ has surpassed Kobe. Another reason the 60's aren't considered when mentioning the goat is because the 60's rules allowed ppl to goaltend (how many rebounds would Rodman finished with in his career if he was allowed to goaltend).)
The NBA players of the past were plumbers/janitors part time in the off season was not due to skill but economics. The league didn't generate the revenue they do in this modern age and this is reflected in the player's salary. One example is the disparity between NBA and WNBA salaries.
No, he wasn't held back! He's talking about stats, that's all people talk about when it comes to Jordan. Even when he lost. Now players have passed Jordan stats, stats doesn't matter. Did anyone question Shaq size? 😂😂😂😂
the average height for most centres 60-70'S WAS 6'9 and 6'10 and the average height in the wasa around 6'6. why do ppl act like it was 6'1 or something lol
John salley is misremembering, like MOST PEOPLE 🤦. Kobe wasn't going to top 100 points the game he scored 81. He played that entire game. The game in question is more than likely when he scored 63 in 3Q. That's the game that Kobe could have scored over a 100 NOT the 81 game.
Only Basketball Players degrade past history. Football does not do that at all nor does track and field. It is sad. Also how can you degrade black athletes in past decades . Due to all they had tonsuffer through to play with dignity
Yes, nepotism has existed for a long time, especially in the NBA front office. But in those positions, they can train people to be competent. Nobody in the past has drafted their kid who obviously can not play at that level. Some of these fans have been brainwashed to ignore absolutely anything negative about LeBron. He should have got Bronny a front office job or something. This move sets a standard that if you're a successful player you can now get your kids drafted even if they can't play, which is damaging the integrity of the sport.
He is the leading score after limping around for 20+ years and only playing on one end for the last 7 or 8. Kobe breaking the record would have just been a notch in the belt. I agree that stats can be played with. That's why I don't care about this Olympic MVP. Just like when KD won the Finals on, that team could have put the extra load on a few players to allow them to get MVP. Wasn't that 100 point game in like OT or 2OT? I disagree about the plumbers and janitors comment, but I do think it's different playing against guys who specialize and basketball is an everyday and all day thing. As good as Wilt was. That's one man vs a whole team. A whole team can slow you down enough or outdo what one player or whatever can do
Eric, please know this. You are flat out wrong about the NBA in the 60’s. Just because these players had outside jobs does not mean they were not elite as compared to today’s players. It’s something you dudes who have a motive to downgrade past eras to elevate this one love to say. Just because you yelled it into the mic didn’t make you right. Saying the only reason Wilt had such a high average was because he played against dudes who just left a race riot and driving taxis is one of the most ridiculous and disrespectful takes of all time. Worse than what Anthony Edwards said. Shout out to Dominique for keeping her cool while Eric just basically screamed on her with the bull crap. He saying to you to research and then get back to him as if you so stupid you must not have done research. Man y’all have the right ones on that show. I probably would have cussed him out.
CAP!!!! Anything that JS says is not accurate, in any way, shape or form + he should STOP speaking on the DEAD, that's disrespectful + really stupid! Kobe wasn't obsessed with a scoring title, more than he was obsessed with passing MJ's "RING TOTAL". Kobe didn't care about ANYTHING, other than that
@mandownsports, Please tell Jay the the league DOES NOT take it's cues from society. Kids from every era have always followed the cues of their favorite hooper, soccer player, football player, baseball player etc.. Maybe I need to call in one of these days.
You either respect the past. Or you don't. And if you don't, take all your favorite Kobe and Bron gear and trash it. Cuz in a few years those future generations will be trashing them. Saying, "can you believe how they jock Kobe and Bron? They'd get eaten alive in today's league. They played in some junk, watered down 30 team league. A hallway decent team GIFTED 30 Ws a season."
@@Mandownsports na b don't just like my post, answer, what direction were you taking with it? You can either lie or get put in your place, your choice.
Lol those former players were way tougher than this era. No way these guys could stop wilt. Lol David Robinson Karl Malone I mean all those big men was ripped.. The reason why because those guys stayed in shape and ripped up.. Only big man I seen ripped like that is Dwight Howard and Gianna but he's like a small forward.
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Man Dominique is a real one. You can tell she got mad respect for the players of the past and each era what they brought to the game.
I really hate how people try to dismiss what former legends accomplished.
Competition is always relative to the time. For example, Lebron is said to have faced the stiffest competition, yet he also has had some of the most firepower at his disposal through players that he aligned himself with.
Regarding Wilt, just as it was with Russell and Kareem, he played against other tall players. He just was better than pretty much all of them.
🫡Yup, my issue is that I still don't see what overly super-stiff talent LeBron played against. The League went Defenseless by Commissioner design and when did Bron check his man defenselessly all game. On offense Lebron runs thru as many picks as Steph Curry. I just don't see it when I watch him play. I would luv the stat of how many of Bron's All-time scoring total points were actually contested shots.
@bigjay52 I agree, regarding how disempowered defenders are. Also, Bron doesn't impress me when comparing him to other greats that came before him; not when I was doing defensive shuffling and sliding drills all in my early teen to mid-20's, in addition to other exercises though taught and reinfoced fundamentals. To me ain't that guy. He cannot see MJ on both ends of the floor when you take a look at both of their careers in full.
@@keomatherapper amen, between PEDs and teammates LBJ has stacked the deck, Kobe Bryant was exponentially better than James, LBJ is probably 10 or 11 of all time if you remove PEDs he ends up with only 3.5 championships and questionable stats giving juiced stats which will get asterisk
Erik is dead ass wrong. Who TF is stopping Wilt in today’s game??? Give that man his respect!! Wilt was just a freak, just like Shaq, so there really is no one in NBA history that could guard him in ANY era. The only reason he didn’t win more chips is that the Celtics had a starting line up of hall of famers and those Celtics would smoke any team in today’s game because they played team ball and had Red Auerbach piloting the ship. It’s ignorant to believe the NBA was unathletic back then, they just weren’t taught to play that way until Pistol broke the mold.
I agree. No one is stopping Wilt in today's game. Especially since you're not allowed to touch anyone.
Yeah I can agree Eric's point wasn't all that accurate
Yeah Wilt was definitely a freak athlete..dude wasn’t just a basketball player either.
Brah we got instagram models, fansonly, and women with bbls if wilt had that record he had off the court in the 60s ain’t no way wilt would be wilt in todays era
Eric hasn’t done his research. Was anyone athletically that advanced to stop Shaq? No. Nate Thurmond. Walt Bellamy. Bill Russell. Willis Reed. Wilt faced better centers than there are today.
No, Kobe didn't try to get scoring title. He wanted Chips over title. And if you remember, Phil told Kobe to scale it back from scoring so that they wouldn't lose Shaq being engaged. Kobe was on a 40-point scoring streak at that time, and he let off the gas because of Phil.
Kobe played for the scoring title in 2005, and they missed the playoffs that year. Running the shot clock down looking for your shot and passing last second to a teammate hoping he’ll bail you out. That pretty much summed up the 2005 season. Kobe scored lots of points, but the lakers kept losing. I think the next year Kobe was told to pass more during the playoffs vs PHX, and in the deciding game 7 Kobe didn’t shoot at all.
Versus OKC in WCF Bynum was the mismatch but Kobe wanted to take over and they lost that series. As great as a player as Kobe was, when he tried to go for stats the lakers usually lost
@teamcaveman The All time scoring title not regular season bro. And after Shaq left he got the regular season scoring title. He wasn't worried about that. He could of got that every year damn near but was it always going to contribute to him winning? Probably not. He wanted to WIN. Most times when Kobe scored 40 plus they won those games. EVen when he went on thay scoring streak. The y were winning those games and he shot high % in these games. He scored because that's what his job was, and his teams weren't built to win many games, so he had to pick up the slack or lose Bynun wasnt that good bro lol. OKC was just the better team period.. It was tough after Shaq however He went to 3 chips when Shaq left and won 2.
@@3dtraining633 they won after they stole Gasol and Bynum matured…they missed the playoffs after Shaq left. Struggling is being a lower seed and facing a tough first round. Missing the playoffs is just sucking!! They didn’t win too any games in 2005. He went for 40 many times and they lost because of it. No denying he could score at will, but so could Bird.
Lakers went up 3-1 vs PHX, and game 4 and 5 Kobe was trying to score, not win. Pass it to a role player at the end of the game who hasn’t shot all game and expect him to be in rhythm? Even Kobe needed to shoot several times to get in rhythm. And then blame all the other guys why they lost. Kobe knew he shot the team out of those 2 games and instead of manning up he stopped shooting game 7 like a baby.
Versus Pistons in the finals he wanted MVP so bad he tried to go away from Shaq…that’s why they lost. Detroit played well for sure but he played right into their hands and made it easy for them. His greatest games are versus sorry teams during the regular season when he’s trying to pad his stats. Most teams try and blow out the suck teams and rest at end of the game giving role players more court time. Not Kobe, even shooting more and staying in the game when it’s mathematically ever. Maybe later he played to win, but there was a long stretch when he played for stats
@teamcaveman NOBODY would agree that Kobe played for stats. Again, he could have gotten whatever stats he wanted to get. He was a scorer that was not hard to do for him. He did what had to do to get wins. He took more pride in winning games. He purposely didn't shoot vs. Suns to prove a point to Phil that without him scoring, we can't win. Thus, he was 5 for 7 in Chmapionahips. And he has winning playoff record. That tells you it's WINS over stats bro. Your mistakenly thinking he's chasing scoring because he scores. That's not the case. That's just what he does. He's a bonifde scorerr. It comes easy to him.
@@3dtraining633 no Kobe fan…
Del Harris held Kobe back from possibly breaking Kareem's record. Think about it. He mute that guy for 2 and half seasons.
True ✅️
Think about Del Harris letting rookie Kobe take clutch time shots in the playoffs for a team like the Lakers, and Kobe airballing half of those shots.
@@MandownsportsLmao 🤣 😂 😆 Kobe is overrated
@@keithmitchell8372good thing no one pays attention to YOUR RATINGS
@@penkima4923 Think about all the veterans who admittedly didn't have the balls to shoot those shots. Think about the next season and Del Harris not starting him nor playing him the minutes he should but he was an all star starter. Stop it!!
Dominique spoke truth!!!
No defense no hand checking
She’s cookin she’s definitely right Dominque is cookin Eric
people don't respect the past at all and it's crazy hate to see where the future is going and not just in sports in life in general
Disrespecting the past greats gets on my nerves…glad she cooked dude loud wrong ass. These youngsters got y’all out here dogging the past now smdh
Eric sounds like typical Bron fanboy fanatic in this segment 🥱🥱🥱🥱
We understand the level of play naturally evolves and players get better, but its due to learning the game from THE PAST..also, Wilt and rest of these older gentlemen was out there playing in chucks..dealing with racism and prejudice..no technology..riding the bus to games..all while making low salary. if they had to be "janitors" to make more money to survive and provide, power to em brah and respect ✊🏽. These JJ reddick clowns are straight disrespectful in the name of their king and savior, Lebron. Pathetic
Dominique the smartest one there 😂
Tell em Dom!!! We aint grading on a curve around here!!! lol...she's admitting they are celebrating mediocrity in today's league so Lebron can NEVER be the GOAT if this is what's happening. lol...the league is garbeej.
Erik just proves that just because you think you know something, doesn't mean that you ACTUALLY know something. He missed Key Points she was trying to make, because he couldn't stfu long enough to hear what she was trying to say. Nobody. I repeat NOBODY in today's Game would stop Wilt from doing a DAMN THING to score Points.
The young lady is on her square 💯
I literally hate when discredit athletes in the past as if they were not good just because they have a job outside of playing sports.
Like c'mon now, how people we know work regular 9 to 5 jobs, but they gets busy on the court with real skills?
We gotta stop the false narrative of saying this generation of hoopers weren't good because they work jobs too lol!
We went to school, did homework and played ball outside til nighttime, does us being full time students make us less athletic or without basketball prowess because we go to school 😂
To say teachers, plumbers, garbage men can't play or have serious basketball IQ and skills is asinine.
You will never hear football or baseball players speaking like that about the previous greats of their professional sport.
But that's what the NBA conversation is about now, degrading the previous greats to try to promote the new era as better.
People really think plumbers and janitors playing basketball is a bad thing. I'll take a real man on my squad over a nepotism baby that is scared of hard labor. The men were men back then. Men that served their country..went to war...came back.. worked construction and would still give you 40 points.
In deed
Very Very True, dont forget they had actual real life threats due to racism and couldn't parade around with white women.
〽️an Down! Come on and drop this shit! The streets need this one ❤
In deed
@Mandownsports I just watched yall shit with ticket. Yall cooking like a mfer on here. Imma call in one day, gotta speak my King Kobe peace
Aw shit yeah I'm watching now 🎉
Man, you know damn well Bron knew he was close to the scoring title lol. Make no mistake about it, Bron is very INTENTIONAL with everything that he does involving his legacy. The scoring title was definitely on that list.
Also we watched Bron sit out games so his PPG avg didn't go down. Going for the scoring record.
When he got to 81 there was only 40+ seconds left in the game. He's prolly referring to the 62 in 3 quarters game vs Dallas not the Toronto game
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NATE THURMOND WALT BELLAMY BILL RUSSELL WILLIS REED ZELMO BEATTY ELVIN HAYES WES UNSELD NO COMPETITION LMAOOO
Right!
so he just wants to protect LeFraud?
If you didnt go thru any 50 win teams then your path was easier and it diminishes the accomplishes
She is so right thank you 🙏🏿
Wilt is forever in my Top 3. You have to go back and actually watch him play. Wilt was Hakeem before Hakeem. He had excellent footwork, a fadeaway jumper that no one could stop, and his vision on the court, of course for his height, was par none. Wilt was THEE most dominant center the league has ever seen. Forget Bill's titles. That man was surrounded by Hall of Famers his entire career with mid numbers. Technically, he was Lebron before Lebron if you look at it closely. Lebron is more athletic than Bill ever was, but the circumstances for his time reminds me a lot of him and his quest for titles. Bill wasn't dominating players so much as working with his teammates in a very efficient way. Lebron, unfortunately, isn't effiicient. Forget his numbers, he's a bum. Sorry Mel, you know how I feel about Lebron fam...😂
People tend to discredit the talent of the past generations but remember the pyramids were built over 5000 years ago and we still are not sure how they did it and would have difficulty trying to replicate them today. We are all "victims" of the present time.
Nobody would be physically fit enough in todays game to stop Wilt. The same case can be made for Shaq. Wilt(track athlete at Kansas) was actually more skill and faster than Shaq. We have to get away from cause we didn't see it it's not relevant. We didn't see WW2, but it happened. We are actually in the weaker era of human beings now. More access to knowledge, but weaker. A lot of us couldn't handle the day to day that our grandparents dealt with. Love your show by the way. Your panel is on point.
Kobe was not tryna get it , he couldn’t score like he wanted to till shaq left , so I’m sure he knew he was too far behind Kareem , but he wanted to pass Jordan , that’s all he cared about
Great Segment, and conversation, here are some absolutes that we must also be able to have some clarity. Going back to 2003, the rape allegation and full exoneration I may add, are when the assault by the media changes everything for Kobe Bryant. He was denied several MVPs and other potential honors. Truthfully his legacy would not have been any different based on the media’s forever perception of him and tear down. As for Wilt Chamberlian, he was not great enough to win championships, imposing yes, physically gifted at the time, yes, his lack of team knowledge impacted the chances he had to win big at the highest level during the 1960s.
In football/ soccer we have one king, Pele’. The pioneer of it all. No one will think to dispute this no matter how great Messi and Renaldo may be.
Plus, Wilt was a freak of nature athlete, meaning it would have been easy for him to dominate in ANY era, despite who his competitors were, he was just great period.
Y'all comparing a GIANT to the majority of men, that's proving Dominique's point.
Wilt faced great competitors, but he was just too big and dominant for most players to stop.
She’s right it’s the same thing they said about MJ ..and Dominique is the smartest one when it comes to knowledge ..
Kobe's 81 points is greater than Wilt's 100 points due to how Wilt scored most of his 100 points which were close to the basket. Records are meant to be broken so I don't agree at all with Phil Jackson when he stopped Kobe from breaking Wilt's record. WHY? That's the same as a referee calling a bogus OFFENSIVE FILE ON KOBE TO nullify the bucket that he just scored that would have won the game. That's F*CKING RIDICULOUS. I bet he wouldn't have puled Jordan out of the game in the same situation. Phil has always respected Jordan more than Kobe, until now because now, the greatness of Kobe is finally coming to light in so many peoples eyes thanks to the many podcast like this one that have told us about who Kobe was and the things he did.
Dont disrespect wilt 100 points. Different eras, you cant compare
Do you think MJs 63 was better than Kobe's due to him playing the Celtics with the team he had?
Phil would've held Jordan back too😂and you can't say you know Phil respected Jordan more you don't know what he thinks😂Kobe was great
he's my top 3 favorite but people who really watched him already know✅
@@garygnu8775 ofc it is,they almost let kobe score
So first you don't believe Wilt scored the 100 because nobody seen it. Next you believe all his points were scored close to the basket. How could you possibly know that? There wasn't a 3 point line. That basket area was always loaded to try and contain Wilt. The Knicks didn't exactly have Willis Reed yet but they didn't have a Toys R US manager like you guys think either. The man averaged 50 that year so it's conceivable to believe he could've scored a legit 100. That's like not believing a 30 ppg scorer can get 60 when they usually do
Although Kobe had a 20-year career he did not play 20 years count the years he was hurt and count the years he barely played under Dale Harris that would be 17 years
You mean 15 yrs
Remember the games scored 54/62 in 3qtrs with time left in those quarters sitting out the whole 4th quarter due to Phil not playing Kobe
Yep
John Sally just be saying anything.. I don't respect any of his comments because he be lying.. Phil did not stop kobe from breaking Wilt's record (well at least not in that game) Phil pulled kobe with 4 seconds left in the 4th quarter of that 81pt game. You can't even get 19pts in 4 seconds on 2k😂😂.
Salley had his games mixed up. It was the game when he played the Mavs
@@Mandownsports For every show Salley guests, it turns out he isn't truthful on at least some topic.
@3dtraining633 stop embarrassing yourself and clean your glasses, Devin George subbed in for kobe with 4.2 seconds left.. he played the entire second half except those 4.2 seconds. Move along bruh
You could say on one hand with a smaller League you have condensed talent but you also have a smaller talent pool which makes it easier for a great player to dominate. A completely unrelated example for me personally is this game I used to play a lot called geometry wars. On Xbox live 134 in the world was my highest ranking but on Nintendo I'm ranked number one in the world on several leaderboards because the talent pool is much smaller. When you have a larger talent pool you have more fierce competition and it becomes much more difficult to ascend to the top...
Did he actually see the stat line of that 100 pt game? There was 3 guys on the opposite with over 30 pts.
And winning championships lost their splendor when these players started teaming up to chase rings. Who orchestrated that move? Hmmmmmmm I wonder who, but I do remember all the legend saying when this individual won his first ring that he wasn’t a true champion. They asked people like Mike would they have ever joined forces with other stars to win and Mike said no. He said he was too busy trying to beat those guys to even imagine playing with them. Funny how no one talks about that now. We praise the guy for breathing and he is magically in the goat conversation I swear people are sheep.
This dismissiveness of WILT is totally disrespectful and out of line.
Wilt Chamberland worked as a Bell Hop during the off season. It's all relative it was the times. Wilt was no different he had a regular job. But he was also a High Jump and Track Champion
This sister is more aware of the history of the game, then the man debating her. Wilt was a freak then, and would be a freak in today's game. Wilt was a physical freak, was bench pressing 500lbs before games, was a track athlete, and was a world class volleyball player. Anyone who has really watched film of wilt would realize, he wasn't just a big man dunking on smaller players. He was a skilled basketball player! That dude arguing with her, didn't do any research, if he had he wouldn't be making these ignorant comments.
How that man sit there and ask when is it not about winning. I’m glad Dominique immediately said what she said. Bro like do you watch today’s sports and do you see what the headlines are? They literally gave this dude Bronny a shoe deal for being Lebron’s son he is always talked about. They headlined them having their first father son pass and Lebron passing the ball to Bronny but didn’t show him missing the shot. Like cmon man I don’t get how people are turning and blind eye to what sports has become. Stop degrading the old legends who built the sport up so the new generation can take it for granted and tear it down. Them dudes were competitors and played for the love of the game and respected one another and wanted to beat the best to be the best. These guys now are all talk no one competes no more they are joining up to win rings. How can you say you are the best ball player in the world when you are winning with the best players on your team. Make this make sense.
Tell Eric talking louder and faster DOESN'T validate his argument.
Lol
Kobe is Pure Greatness 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Nobody sees anything weird about this? And dude stop with the misinformation lebron didn't get a ring made for scoring title.
Yes they do say the same thing about MJ in the 90s that he had no equal at his position
I thought this was a Kobe topic. Lebron 🐐 dominates the conversation once again
If Kobe 3peated again that would shook the bag. Big time.
Kobe breaking Wilt’s record would just have made his ball hog rep worse. It would have hurt his legacy in my opinion.
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Don’t forget Kobe’s 63 in 3 quarters
Salley is telling a fib. The six minutes Kobe sat were at the start of the second quarter when no one, including Phil, knew he would finish the game with 81. Kobe had logged 17 points when Phil rested him.
Kobe Bryant then played the ENTIRE second half til Phil sat him with FOUR SECONDS left in the game.
The stupidity of this topic makes my head hurt.
Obviously he misspoke and was speaking of another time. Probably when Kobe scored 62 in 3 quarters against Dallas
@ that's a charitable way to look at it. Good deal.
I wonder if Phil thought KB would score 39 pts that final quarter. 🤔Could be... Kobe was a machine
Micheal Jordan got a whole cup/ trophy for reaching 30k points
Stop it
Kobe was a nothing but a second option player in 2003 it was Shaq that had the biggest impact on winning. On the biggest stage Kobe shot 36% in the 2000 finals, 41% in the 2001 finals, 2004 finals 38%, 2008 finals 40%, 2009 finals 43% and 2010 finals 40%. The best finals he shot in was 2002 and Shaq avg 36-12-4-3 winning FMVP. MJ gets criticized for shooting 41% in the 1996 finals well that’s the % Kobe shot in all his finals combined.
Go look at Kobe first 8 years with Shaq. He’d shoot 47% in the regular season and once the playoffs came around 43 to 42%. No matter how hard Kobe worked efficiency was something he struggled with!! Kobe starting record without Shaq from 1999-2004 was 23-26 they were below avg. Shaq record without Kobe in that same time frame was 31-10. In 2003 when Kobe was putting up all those 40 points games without Shaq that season Kobe lakers went 5-10 and Kobe +\- was -40 combined.
After Shaq left we saw prime Kobe lakers struggle to be a .500 team for 3 years missing the playoffs and getting boot first round. Shaq was the big dog on that team!! Kobe is still a great top 10 to 15 all time but people have elevated him into discussions he doesn’t belong.
Damn she's went in on him get um😂😂😂😂😂😂
I actually agree with Eric on this outside of the plumbers and janitors comment. But truth is Wilt was the biggest and strongest of his Era then Bill Russell was second. There was absolutely no1 in that era that could do anything to wilt who was 7'1 with a 40+ inch verticle. If Wilt had a team around his entire career like Bill Russell he would definitely have more than 2 rings....
Kobe himself outscored an entire team in 3 quarters who else had done that I mean 81 is cool but outscoring an entire team in 3 quarters not just any team Dirk Mavs
Run this mofo Eric he IGNORANT
EMBARRASSING
for this dude "poshhhking" in the live chat: kenny smith said the rockets had to change ALL OF THEIR PLAYS on offense when they played the bulls because of MJ otherwise jordan "would destroy the play" ... they were told "if jordan is on that side then DON'T run the play on that side ---move it to the other side"
kobe is NOT on jordans level bro
even clown- boy gilbert arenas got this right ... he said kobe was imitating jordan AFTER mike came back from playing baseball... and he STILL was not on jordans level
the MJ from 1984- 93 kobe could never fly like that --- no one could even TRY to imitate that MJ
kobe was not even the primary dude on the first 3 championship teams; jordan was ALWAYS that guy with bulls
again: when you compare someone to jordan you just bring out that players bad points so just don't even do it... just say "he's all time great" and leave it at that
Wilt did what did in his era which is remarkable but will forever be known as the early years of basketball. I also knew about Phill not wanting Kobe to break Wilts record before Kobe passed which is really sad. To the lady sticking up for yester year basketball I'll say this; the white guys back then weren't advanced enough to stop good white guys let alone athletic black guys dominating the league. Miss me with the league being condensed and 4 HOF's on one team will outplay one goliath with a supporting cast. The man didn't say everyone was garbage, he said no one was able to stop the Celtics because of the stacked squad. Wilt couldn't do it by himself and we all know this, the same with MJ and Kobe. Magic proved even with a stacked team you won't be able win the chips the Celtics from the 60's because of the amount of teams now. Yes it would've changed Kobe's legacy because that feat would have Kobe only fans saying he eclipsed MJ hands down and most certainly erased any doubt LBJ has surpassed Kobe. Another reason the 60's aren't considered when mentioning the goat is because the 60's rules allowed ppl to goaltend (how many rebounds would Rodman finished with in his career if he was allowed to goaltend).)
They made up in season treatment for LeBron
DOWNING THE OLD ERA IS NOT RIGHT TODAY THESE DUDES ARE JUST BUDDY BUDDY AND SITTING OUT GAMES WHEN THEY FEEL LIKE IT
The NBA players of the past were plumbers/janitors part time in the off season was not due to skill but economics. The league didn't generate the revenue they do in this modern age and this is reflected in the player's salary. One example is the disparity between NBA and WNBA salaries.
Kobe played nearly 42 minutes, they were up by 18 and left the game with 4.2 seconds. Was he gonna score 20 in 4 seconds to get 101. 😂
Stand on business Dominique, dude sounds like a complete Lebron fan. They get salty when you expose the king.
Ugh dude Wilt played Russell and played Jabbar. He scored 100 pts against an all star center who was 611 . It's his game that dominated
Kobe got jump over because his Style Mirror Mike they didn't Need them twice*
No, he wasn't held back! He's talking about stats, that's all people talk about when it comes to Jordan. Even when he lost. Now players have passed Jordan stats, stats doesn't matter. Did anyone question Shaq size? 😂😂😂😂
13:26 😂😂😂😂this image is wild. Mans need a nap after a 10 hour shift then gotta guard one of the strongest athletes ever 😂
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John Salley said the league wouldn’t let lebron pass Kareem record 😂😂😂
This is for Mel. During the kobi era. Can you tell me about The Ronnie Field Story?
Ronnie Fields was a great player. Wish he could've made it
Sound so dumb with the plumbers and janitors.
“ just got yo ass whooped from a race riot “ 😂😂😂😂
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It is what it is I don't really respect the NBA until the ABA merger honestly
the average height for most centres 60-70'S WAS 6'9 and 6'10 and the average height in the wasa around 6'6. why do ppl act like it was 6'1 or something lol
John salley is misremembering, like MOST PEOPLE 🤦. Kobe wasn't going to top 100 points the game he scored 81. He played that entire game. The game in question is more than likely when he scored 63 in 3Q. That's the game that Kobe could have scored over a 100 NOT the 81 game.
Only Basketball Players degrade past history. Football does not do that at all nor does track and field. It is sad. Also how can you degrade black athletes in past decades . Due to all they had tonsuffer through to play with dignity
Kobe could have eclipsed MJ 6 titles and that would have threw a wrench in everything nba has promoted using MJ as the standard for NBA and Nike.
Yes, nepotism has existed for a long time, especially in the NBA front office. But in those positions, they can train people to be competent. Nobody in the past has drafted their kid who obviously can not play at that level. Some of these fans have been brainwashed to ignore absolutely anything negative about LeBron. He should have got Bronny a front office job or something. This move sets a standard that if you're a successful player you can now get your kids drafted even if they can't play, which is damaging the integrity of the sport.
He is the leading score after limping around for 20+ years and only playing on one end for the last 7 or 8. Kobe breaking the record would have just been a notch in the belt. I agree that stats can be played with. That's why I don't care about this Olympic MVP. Just like when KD won the Finals on, that team could have put the extra load on a few players to allow them to get MVP. Wasn't that 100 point game in like OT or 2OT? I disagree about the plumbers and janitors comment, but I do think it's different playing against guys who specialize and basketball is an everyday and all day thing. As good as Wilt was. That's one man vs a whole team. A whole team can slow you down enough or outdo what one player or whatever can do
Kobe is the man
LETS SEE THESE DUDES PLAY IN CHUCK TAYLORS
Eric, please know this. You are flat out wrong about the NBA in the 60’s. Just because these players had outside jobs does not mean they were not elite as compared to today’s players. It’s something you dudes who have a motive to downgrade past eras to elevate this one love to say. Just because you yelled it into the mic didn’t make you right. Saying the only reason Wilt had such a high average was because he played against dudes who just left a race riot and driving taxis is one of the most ridiculous and disrespectful takes of all time. Worse than what Anthony Edwards said.
Shout out to Dominique for keeping her cool while Eric just basically screamed on her with the bull crap. He saying to you to research and then get back to him as if you so stupid you must not have done research. Man y’all have the right ones on that show. I probably would have cussed him out.
He did have a point tho
@@Juicegetmoney anyone can make a point. The issue is whether or not the point is true or valid. His is neither.
@@thechocolatewriter8680 My bad. He does have a valid point
LeBron did make losing acceptable
The NBA DIDN'T GET THE RING MADE FOR JAMES.. DAMN!! This is what I need to be right looks like.
Lakers gifted him the ring
CAP!!!! Anything that JS says is not accurate, in any way, shape or form + he should STOP speaking on the DEAD, that's disrespectful + really stupid! Kobe wasn't obsessed with a scoring title, more than he was obsessed with passing MJ's "RING TOTAL". Kobe didn't care about ANYTHING, other than that
All he said is that Phil stopped him from passing Wilt lol 😆
So because Kobe passed away no one is allowed to bring him up when discussing basketball? I guess we can’t bring up Richard Pryor when talking comedy
59 GAMES SINCE JOINING LAKERS SO HES JUST PILING UP TOTAL POINTS
@mandownsports,
Please tell Jay the the league DOES NOT take it's cues from society. Kids from every era have always followed the cues of their favorite hooper, soccer player, football player, baseball player etc.. Maybe I need to call in one of these days.
Yeah call in
They were the best then. That's Domoniques point. They'd bust yall ass.😂
This Eric dude is way off! The Celtics team Wilt had to face had 11/12 HOFers on it what is he talking about?
If it wasn’t any talent back then and wilt was so dominant… then why he didnt win more titles????? Hmmm
Should have let that man go for it!
Yeah
With :42 seconds left?
You either respect the past. Or you don't. And if you don't, take all your favorite Kobe and Bron gear and trash it. Cuz in a few years those future generations will be trashing them. Saying, "can you believe how they jock Kobe and Bron? They'd get eaten alive in today's league. They played in some junk, watered down 30 team league. A hallway decent team GIFTED 30 Ws a season."
They were more game 7 series guy those battles against the Celtics when to game 7 guy
7:39 yall need to stop saying people were plumbers. This dude sounds stupid.
Yall?
@@Mandownsports you all that have been saying that, you can include JJ reddick in it. What's the problem?
@@wraithyoshidj6702 you are lying 🤥
@@Mandownsports im lying because? What did you think I was saying? Watch out man you might be assuming
@@Mandownsports na b don't just like my post, answer, what direction were you taking with it? You can either lie or get put in your place, your choice.
Eric always has horrible takes. He has no knowledge about the history of the game. Some of the greatest centers of all time played in the 1960s.
JAL quick to defend Leabron he gets butt hurt 😂
Lol those former players were way tougher than this era. No way these guys could stop wilt. Lol David Robinson Karl Malone I mean all those big men was ripped.. The reason why because those guys stayed in shape and ripped up.. Only big man I seen ripped like that is Dwight Howard and Gianna but he's like a small forward.
I can dig it
Capppp
LeBron was the best player in the NBA @ birth per his fans