I agree this generation of NBA PLAYERS has the lowest BASKETBALL IQ of all times and it’s gotten worse with every passing draft class over the past 14 years
Leclown gets to the rack by TRAVELING & PUSHING off his defender… That style wouldn’t work in the 90’s because they ACTUALLY called traveling and offensive foul in those days so that overrated pos would probably avg.15-19ppg
@Iceman24424 I don't think he would've made a roster back in the 90's . They had to play defense back then, and he could never guard a parked tractor-trailer one on one if his life depended on it. They had to have the mindset of I wanna destroy these dudes(opponents) on the court, and we know he doesn't think like that. They had to have fundamentals (have a bag) back then , and we know King anti-goat is bagless. You had to be tough back then, and he acts soft in a soft era, so how was he gonna handle being fouled by 3 dudes driving to the basket?
😂Right! When Magic came into the league the only pass that counted as an assist was passing to a guy cutting towards the basket without a dribble. Then the receiver was allowed one dribble then 2. Then the kick out to shooters was added. Then the cherry pick pass for a layup was added, which is ridiculous. Point is this is another way Lebron benefited from the rules changes.
Definitely less ppg and lower fg% with no charge arc or defensive 3-sec rule which allowed big men to rim protect and teams pack the paint defensively since he relies on those 0-3 ft fg attempts. Then add in hand checking and a higher level of physicality allowed, he’s a different level player.
EXACTLY!!!! An assist then, which is CORRECT by the way, was to pass the ball and the person receiving the ball would immediately shoot it and score. Not pass the ball to a teammate, the teammate dribbles around and scores and you the passer gets an assist. This NBA is a complete sham and it’s f@cking embarrassing and a disgrace to the real men that played back then and lead by example to pave the way for these spoiled players today to buy their lamborghinis.
Anyone that saw the 2020 statpadding bonanza from Lebron to get that assists title knows what you're saying, there's a LOAD of videos on it, he passes the ball, the dude dribbles, posts up, pump fakes and scores all by himself, and thats an assist to Lebron. It was ABSURD.
These Lebron fans kill me about their feeling about other players that are considered greater than Lebron and don't realize that the only thing that matter is the stone cold facts.
I think Kevin Willis is being Kind to Lebron. Having Lebron averaging 19 a game. I Personally think Lebron would average a little less because of mental aspect of the game that Lebron is not good at all in. Lebron is very weak when it comes to the Mental part of the game;.
I don't believe King anti-goat would be on a roster back then.....first ,he's soft ,he has too many flaws in is game ,he couldn't guard a parked tractor-trailer one on one if his life depended on it and he's not a good free throw shooter .
@@jeffreyramirez3677 Jordan wouldn't want him, he had Scottie and wasn't giving up Scottie for anybody. Then they're not gonna allow LeBron to control the ball so he wouldn't work in the triangle.
@@manimal9871 Lebron does more than score. Thats where yall get it twisted but I respect your opinion. This 90s sht is getting old but I guess that's what they have to do to now to make him look bad
Every else will see it for the first time hopefully…but people like us have seen it his entire career. I’ve been complaining about this crap since the mid 2000s.
Food for thought... PF's were 25-30lbs heavier, and centers were no less Ethan 6'11" and the ones that weren't at least 270+,were +7'1"...SF weren't skinny either, so that lane was clogged, not even Karl could walk through everyone... And Karl was stronger!
Bron can’t play bully ball, average ball handling at best, low percentage shooting outside 3ft. He would have a mental beatdown that he would quit after 5-7yrs. Guys doesn’t like to compete and a history of quitting when it gets tough
@@pastoryoutube6682 Kevin played a long time but he wasn't close to being a superstar. But LeBron would actually have to be a part of a system vs the way he plays now. Remember in Miami when he played without the ball he wasn't nearly as effective. He likely would have to play power forward, it doesn't matter how big he is. His style of play would have to change in order to fit into an offense. LeBron doesn't like to play with the paint loaded, that's 80s and 90s basketball. All that flopping isn't getting called, those guys would call him a little B for doing that. If you weren't around during those times you wouldn't know.
@ Bro, I played in the 80’s and 90’s and I’m NOT DELUSIONAL!!! Give Bron Phil Jackson and we’ll figure out the rest!! 😂😂😂 This man needs to be on def comedy jam.
Absolutely. Because first of all, there would be none of this "point forward" stuff. They played basketball by position. Lebron would have been playing Small Forward within an actual offensive system, against real defense.
@@youngskyler7568 80's agreed...he was the closest thing to it. But the Bulls didn't run the offense through him. He was just capable of it when needed - and it was pretty sparingly. Pippen was really the definition of a 3: the bridge between playing the wing and playing the post. It was crazy that he and Jordan could do both.
@@TheRealMusic4Life So Magic, George Garvon, Big O, Pippen and Grant Hill all could have succes, and Bron couldn’t? 😂😂😂 So question? What is Kevin Willis in today’s game?
@pastoryoutube6682 19 pts a game IS success. Grant Hill was also better than Lebron. So was Dr. J. So was George Gervin. Because they ALL had a broader variety of skills than Lebron. Kevin Willia in today's game is almost non existent because it's all positionless basketball now with no defense. But that's not better basketball.
@ So successful they scored at will, Grant Hill wasn’t a jump shooter man! 😂 He went down hill, y’all forget Bron was born on the 80’s, grew up in the 90’s in the hood and played on black top and football, the man wasn’t and isn’t soft, he’s playing like it is today, BUT TO BELIEVE HE COULDN’T PLAY THEN AND THEY COULDN’T DO NOTHING WITH LARRY JOHNSON, KARL MALONE OR SHAQ! Man Please! Them dudes was 210 at PF YALL better go to sleep! What success would Kevin Willis have today? 😂
What a lot of people in my generation fail to realize that LeBron's game would look totally different if he played in the 80s and 90s he would have to shoot waaayyyyyyy more middys then what he shoots now
Lediddy can play till he dies-he'll never catch up to Michael. Lediddy hasn't retired yet cause the loser hasn't caught up to Michael yet. 22 seasons compared to Michael's 11 full Bull seasons and 2 Wizard years. The queen still trails Michael by 2 championships, 2 fmvp's, 1 mvp, 4 all defensive first teams, 1 dpoy award, 9 scoring titles, 3 steals titles, 2 3peats, the list goes on and on. How many more years does the queen need? Lmao smh@MrKrushbillingz
@@BigGameGee who's guarding LeBron on the perimeter? Who's guarding LeBron in transition? They couldn't handle Magic , Scottie , dominique , Dr J or Grant Hill , but they're gonna be able to handle LeBron? If you guys had so much denial about who LeBron is as a basketball player you wouldn't be talking about him like you more than likely do , the things you guys say isn't changing anything but making y'all look like hating ass fools.
@@chicagoan5411 We can just compare them from 21 years of age to 34 years of age. That's including everything.... LeBron clearly won from the age of 21 to 25.
lebron played at hoops in the early 90's he was 14 yrs old go back to the data you will see who lebron played against, stop with your clicks you doing only for content
Lebron James would shoot 39% because his shit would get packed by Dream, Robinson, Zo, Ewing, Eaton, Mutumbo, Smits, could go on and on. Every night hed be facing a better center relative to what he faces now. That's before you get to the PFs of then
@@SutekhDaSteemroller you sound stupid none of them every play against an athlete like Bron yall hate starting to take over yall basketball knowledge if Dominique can avg 30 what make yall think Bron can’t
In 90's packed lanes and less spacers on the floor. LeBron would not have any advantages and they would force him to shoot from the outside. Without dunks and layups his fg percentage would be in the low 20's.
AI -MJ-Kobe was more creative offensively is why they could get off more shots. Labron had high usage rate so he got more assist, also he had to pass when he couldn’t get down hill
I used to say he’d average about 22-23ppg because he can’t shoot outside 3feet and the paint was clogged with big men. However, he’d be going to the line less so 19ppg is possible.
Wasn't any boys in that NBA grown men baby. No AAU or And1 players could make an NBA team. Moses Malone and Shawn Kemp were coming out of HS. These dudes most have never played on blacktop after elementary. Dudes has to shoot outside that lived in cold climates the Love of the game.
Tim Hardaway Sr. Discussed how hard it was for him growing up in Chicago on the All the Smoke podcast. He described exactly what you just said and more. #theformatpodcast
My friends mom was his grammar school principal before he starred at Carver Highschool. His highschool was inside Altgeld Gardens a Southside housing project. He also had to duck gang culture since 5th grade
Points were at a premium in the 90s. Physicality and hand checking was the great equalizer. Today the wide open lane gives athletic wings an advantage and the Freedom of Movement rule is an anti defense initiative to increase scoring. Yet top tier athletes like LeBron and Antman scoring 27 points out of 110. MJ scored 30 out of 95-100.
@@FullVenomJacket So Mel wasn’t far off. If LeBron averaged 27 ppg he scored 23% of his teams points at 115 ppg that’s equivalent to 23 ppg at 100 ppg. He would be Grant Hill. But his lack of a bag and ball handling might impact those numbers.
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Damn..... Mel, I think I agree with the caller from Georgia about Lebron scoring like 15 a game because Lebrom doesn't like contact unless it's a way smaller player but he doesn't like to bang down low. He has no middle jumper or real long jumper capabilities unless he gets hot but not on the average and back then he wouldn't have the ball in his hands all the time.
Facts I don't really see LeBron challenging them 90's center at all I said myself he would avg bout 15 from what we see from his game but maybe in the 90's he might have been better because he would be forced to work on his game
19 would b about right. Because he's not a good jump shot shooter. Plus he has no post up skills and no pull of the dribble. He would have had to stay in the gym. And like you said and I told others. College for 1 year would have done him justice
Lebron does not have great talent, that is the problem. I am a Lebron hater, but! Put this version of Lebron back in the 80's-90's and he would struggle against the big men on the other teams with no 3 second rule and hand checking. He would not be able to face up the opponent's point guard and time when the other team's big man leaves the paint due to the 3 second rule. Without an open lane to drive to the basket, he no longer gets his easy dunks and layups. Since the rest of his game relies upon him getting to the basket, such as assists, he loses that as well. However, this would make him work on other areas of his game and perhaps it in fact makes him a way more skilled player and with his size perhaps he becomes a legiitimate super star?
90's Grant Hill was better than Lebron in the post, had better footwork and was a better ball handler on the perimeter. Lebron would have to play with either a Stockton to set him up or a Jordan type that gets constant double teams. Otherwise he will struggle. 18-20ppg sounds about right
23 is way too high. You are comparing him to people like Mashburn and Cliff Robinson, and those guys that are skilled. He is not skills so he would struggle.
LeBron averaging 19 is still on the high side, because you must take into account that 1-he have no bag. 2-his inability to handle pressure. 3- MJ was his hero, and back then, MJ would have been his nightmare. No powder toss then. 4-the pay was low, so there would be no million dollars body ie:EPO 😂😂😂😂
Slim LeBron averaged around 21 points per game his rookie year. That would be the baseline for predicting his performance in the 80s/90s. A good coach would have maximized his ability as a rim-runner, like a Karl Malone or James Worthy. He would safely average 22-23 points just going hard on fast breaks, without developing a post game (Malone) or mid-range shooting (Worthy). He can also be comparable to Dominique, but aside from a mid-range game, Wilkins actually had a decent handle, something LeBron had potential for but never developed because the NBA changed the way traveling was officiated. He is not in the same class as Barkley, who combined all the best attributes of strength and explosiveness, aside from his competitive ferocity in his early years. A really close comp would be Terry Cummings during the Milwaukee years. What would determine his ability to stay in the game is defense and effort. If he played traditional power forward and learned how to post up, he might hike his numbers to 25 or 26 points per game, around 8 to 10 rebounds, but definitely lower assist counts (maxed out at 5, and that's being generous). I'd give him 15 years max for his career, unless he learned how to shoot long twos like Malone did in his later career. If he played more like Big Game James, he might be more successful as a high-level secondary scorer, but without the padded stats of this era. Depending on the coach/teammates and how one would rate LeBron, 19 points per game is actually fair. It doesn't sound overwhelming because of current stat inflation, but that's a decent number and would put him in the top quartile at his position during that period.
Mel I agree with funkytown. Jordan improved Pip game and I seen mashburn play in HS . Monster mash had a bag, good footwork , mid range and was able to score in them pockets that presented themselves in them tough defenses. If your saying Bron improves bc of Era then your absolutely right Maybe 23-5-5… but if it’s the Labron we watched 17-5-5
Mel! Another great show, much blessings and success to you! There’s another thing I think people overlook when they just try to compare the eras, when they play today and there’s no defensive intensity from the beginning of the game and you just let your man run down run to whatever spot he wants and shoots, you’re not setting any type of precedence for later in the game! Meaning, if I’m hounding, my man defensively and I actually get in his head he know he starts to understand he can’t really get his shot off or even bring the ball up either. His coach is gonna notice that and take them out of the game or I’m gonna definitely take advantage of that when the game is close or at the end of the game to excel my team to a victory! The path to less resistance has such a wide range of consequences when it comes to the game of basketball, when is the last time you even seen somebody say hey we’re going to go at the other team’s best player and get him in foul trouble? So I don’t think it’s accurate when we say that the players have a better skill set again without the resistance, whenever you’re able to dominate the ball and actually showcase your game it looks and appears that you have more skills than the other players who were playing in a system !
Bron has taken game winners in the clutch. There is a big but to it. He takes them on teams he knows he can get it off and when he isn't nervous. Plus the stage that he is on. If it's a team is fighting him back and the stage is a nba title late in a game he will pass or don't want the ball. Remember the block vs golden state. He went back down and stood in the corner and didn't ask for or go get the ball. Just look at kyrie. And luckily Kyrie made it
Ive mentioned this about other players as well. Someone called jokic a top 5 all time, i said in the 90's he probably wouldn't even be a top 5 center. All the physical true centers and power forwards in those days would chop that boy down....😂
Its still not the same though. Bird got assist but he was not setting up the offense. Tiny Achibald then Dennis Johnson was running the offense. Bird was such a gifted passer he got a alot of touch assist and rely assist. If he ran the offense I promise Bird would avg over double assist.
FOLKS IN THE COMMENT SECTION LBJ GAME IS SO BORINGG, 😂😂 WAS NEVERR EXCITED TO SEE HIM PLAY FROM DAY ONE. HE AINT GOT DAT SWAG , ITS NOT IN HIM, SORRY LBJ APOLOGIST OUTHERE. LBJ IS VERY GREAT, BUT HE,S NOT UNBELIEVABLE SORRY, THAT'S THE HONEST TRUTH FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART, NO CAPPING. NO TROLLING MJ WAS UNBELIEVABLE, REMARKABLE, PLAYING THE GAME OF BASKETBALL. , NEVERRR SEEN B 4 ,FACTS,OK FOLKS THATS WHY THE NBA RATINGS IS HOGG WASH UNDER LBJ WATCH ,SORRY FOLKS. HE,S NOT THE MAN WHEN IT COMES TO BASKETBALL, THERE,S ONLY ONE MAN. AND THATS ,MICHEAL HIS AIRNESS JEFFREY JORDAN, BLACK JESUS IN GYM SHORTS AND SNEAKERS ASK LARRY BIRD AND MANY OTHERS. AND LAST AND NOT LEAST, WHO WEARS LEBRONS??lol 😂😂 MIC 🎤 DROP
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The difference between the LeBron and Jordan era is DEFENSE. The game is no fun to watch because no one wants to play defense in today’s game. That why the game scoring average is so high today because no one playing defense.
No way best from 60s to 90syour young that's why you say that 80ss had the 3 of the 5 greatest teams of all time Lakers Celts an Sixers who swept Showtime Lakers in finals!
Great segment, while it was interesting what Kevin Willis stated in regards to Lebron James playing in the 90’s?? Lebron is soft in this era, he ain’t running through the likes of Barkley, Laimbeer, Rodman, Oakly, Hakeem, Ewing, Mchale, Shawn Kemp, and Larry Johnson just to name a few. Maybe he would average around 7 to 10 points. You had real savants back in the ’80s and 90’s guys who could think and played inside out, post presence, pressure defense, and high-level offense due to such fantastic defense. My man, you have to factor in the level of the defenses, hard fouls, and attitude.
I kinda agree with Kevin Willis because of these 3 reasons. 1, he would've HAD to play both sides of the ball which definitely tires you out. No more playing free safety on defense. 2 the schedule. More back to backs, schedule didn't allow for a lot of rest taking even more of a toll on his body. 3 finally, the physicality of the game. Everyone from Rodman to Patrick Ewing and the Knicks didn't allow easy layups. The fouls that people like Artest and Laimbeer committed back then would have them serving life sentences with no parole. You're also right about playing ball in the hood as opposed to playing at the Y. You're likely to get into a fight for just shaking a guy out of their shorts and don't call "ball" for a touch foul. Once you get that 1st good hit going to the basket you find out real quick what kinda heart you have.
19 pts seems a bit low. I think 22-23 points. He would have had to work on a better jump shot. So that gets him a few more than current Lebron. His rebounds would be shocking though. And slightly lower assists maybe, but he's not going to be a bum in the 90's just like a 2nd star on a championship team. Certainly going to a better defender in that era. They forced him in Miami and they would in the 90s too. That and a jump shot would be the only positives. I feel the downsides outweigh the positives though.
There would have been a lot of traffic in the key. He would either have to develop a mid-range game and/or learn how to play with his back to the basket. Nothing about the way he plays would have worked back then. Not entirely his fault. . .they just changed the rules (defensive three in the key and no hand-checking) and don't call traveling, carrying or double-dribble now. Even if he played as long as this, which is very unlikely in a much more physical league, he would still be way behind Kareem in points for reasons I just stated.
Mel, you and I both revere how Great Kobe was. We really know how good he was year 4. I believe 23-6-4 averages. Take that same frame but give him 2 notches more athleticism, make him a lil stronger with bigger hands, turn his motor up 1 notch, give him 3 years under Dean Smith, an Olympic Gold under Bobby Knight, spark his fire from jealous vets and you have MJ as a rookie 28-6-6 . Think about that bro crazy right?
There is a clip when MJ was hurt with a groin injury playing against the Knicks and they interviewed MJs mom and she said he may be hurt but he has a mental toughness and will give a 150% and play even harder to try to win .He didn’t sit out and still performed at a high level.
The defensive three in the key rule radically changed the game. It all but eliminated rim defenders and interior defense from the game. Lebron scores the bulk of his points by putting his head down and going to the rim. Without that rule, however, there's a 7-footer and a large power forward meeting him in the paint, and he would want no part of that. He also has no post or mid-range game to speak of. The late 80s and early 90s would have been very tough for him.
LeBron would actually have to throw hands in the 90s… THAT was part of the game! 🤷🏾♂️ Based on that, Brandon Ingram and James Johnson would have been fine!!! 😆
20ppg during the 90's was a great number especially in the second half. And I don't get how Lebron would score that many in an era with D and strong guys that would not clear the lane just for him especially when he has little to none post game and mid-range...One might argue he would adapt, but for 22 years i have NOT seen him adapt to any system, develop at least a decent free throw shooting or any other BASE skill set! Imagine him against Rodman (even in his Pistons years when he was skinny), Barkley, Alonso, Oakley and many more. Which one of those would bend over and free the lane for an easy layup not to mention there would still be a center as the last line of defense? I DO agree the 90's were the golden age of nba because we had a tough league with distinct roles and at least 4-5 star players COMPETING for each position! And all those were more skilled and creative than today because they were forced to be in a heavily saturated paint! Players HAD to develop various skills! Now there are no positions, everyone is focused on developing decent 3-point shooting, no pressure on D, and that's why we see so many uncalled everything: players just don't got the basic skills to play by the rules, and this is disgusting at least on my part!
Mentality is a big part of the 90's game! No team jumping and coach firing. A major part was the salaries. Lbj would go from 50 million annually to 8 million. Would lbj be motivated after such a pay cut?🤣 Defense was a must, so no flopping.
Them boys don't even play a full season these days. You got your money's worth during the Jordan era. Everyone came suited up to bring their 'A' game. Especially when Jordan was in town. I feel privileged to witness Kareem, Bird, Magic, Dr. J., Olojuwan, Barkley and so so many others play ... 😀
Listen up! James would not have made the team. He would have been just another black guy trying to make it to the NBA. We had millions of black guys out of the hood trying to find a way out. When basketball didn't work, they when to Rapping. Back in the 90's James would have been just a little black kid dreaming of being in the NBA or college. The NBA was looking for the best of the best. So you guys are saying that James is up there with the players who played in the 90's? All I can say is You guys need to stay off drugs. He just a regular basketball player. Just watch the video games on James, really watch!! PBUY!
Yeah I think a lot of the younger people don’t understand how basketball used to work back there not only it being physical more crowded. You had different players at different positions. Also, we have to play within the system even if you knew you was nice and you wanted to take over your coaches would rarely let you just go one on one. You have to move the ball even with your teammates if you scored a couple baskets in a row and they would even tell you if you wanted to get another Shot, you better go get a rebound or hustle for but now players can just dominate the ball hold onto it 80% of the shot clock and still don’t have the dynamic games of players of the past eras ! Last point and we had to play both sides of the ball or you were coming out of the game no matter how valuable you were on offense
People just can't admit Lebron didn't do shit until he joined two others superstars. And when you start talking about Kobe winning championships with Shaq they forget it was Shaq who didn't win shit until Kobe was unleashed. Shaq had been erased in his first Finals by Hakeem and the Rockets, then failed the rest of the 90's at Orlando and L.A. until Kobe made the giant leap in 2000.
If not less, because the only points he’d get would be when his wild bully ball out of control shots actually went in the hoop. Most of his points come from the free throw line when he get ticky tac bail out touch fouls driving wildly and out of control to the basket.
Calling carry and travel alone would bring his scoring down by at least 10 points 😂. Taking away that off arm and facing actual defenders would chip away as well. With his penchant for quitting-all things considered-maybe 12-15 points.
Kevin is optimistic. After his first hard foul each game, LeBron would cry for his coach to bench him. Eventually, after seeing guys like Charles Oakley and Bill Laimbeer, he’d beg his coach to permanently leave him on the bench.
The first caller was a true Lebron fan to the heart. The min he started saying can’t you give him 24 or 25 points then said we can just call him the goat of this era. Everytime you hit him with those articulate questions Mel he froze and tried to find something he can say to make lebum look good🤦🏾♂️
I was thinking the same thing. He would be just like Grant Hill. Here is the issue though. Hill had a great handle anf agility for his size LBJ handle is beyond terrible and he was never agile.
LeBron wouldn’t be able to play that era and average 19 ppl , Kevin Willis was just being generous , more like 14-15ppg is the most I give him, because he can’t shoot and his dribble game would be getting plucked most of the game and he has no bag
Yo Kevin Willis is big af! I don’t see LeBron just bowling him over or A few guys like Oak or enforcers in the league. See, young cats don’t know about those enforcers that would make somebody like Draymond act right lol.
You can defend against Bron especially if you put in the hand checking he has no post move no go to move no jump shot and he's has a tendency to turn the ball over we all have seen his game for 22 years and back then it was way more big power forwards who can play physical basketball and defend they would've stopped Bron from going to the hole like he does against smaller point guards they would make Bron pick up his dribble... have noticed when you play defense on Bron and you stop his dribble he's lost he tends to throw the ball away or give it up and gets it back to only shoot a 3 cause his defender plays that defense haven't anyone noticed it I have!!
All the fans that saw Jordan and Lebron play all say Jordan is the superior player. It's only the fans that saw just Lebron play that say Lebron is the superior player. I agree with Willis btw. He would still drive to the hoop and get some layups/dunks and he would dish out some punishment because of his size. But he'd get clobbered too and Lebron has shown he isn't mentally tough so idk that he'd continue going to the hole game after game and taking all that punishment. If he resorted to shooting more jumpers well we all know he's never been a good shooter outside of 3 feet. So Willis is correct imo. About 20ppg is what Lebron would average in the 80s/90s.
since the late 2000s Ive always thought the same thing that lebron with that rule set would average 17 to 19ppg because he really has no moves he would be called for travelling non stop and offensive fouls he has zero post game and he is a poor mid range shooter he thrives in todays game because he's allowed to charge into you and the lanes are empty
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It No Way you can look at Kobe , his Skill Set, his Drive, his handle, his shooting, his defensive prowess, his confidence and say Labron is better?
It's that simple baby😊
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Agreed, also his determination, ownership of failure, b-ball IQ, the list goes on
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Man please!!!
LeBron vs Jordan isn't really an argument...!!! 🤷🏽♂️💯 #JordanWinsEveryTime
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Lebron vs. Kobe isn't an argument either... LeQueen is top 10-15. he ain't top 5.
It never was an argument and it shouldn't have been a comparison because King anti-goat is straight garbage when he's compared to Jordan.
I agree this generation of NBA PLAYERS has the lowest BASKETBALL IQ of all times and it’s gotten worse with every passing draft class over the past 14 years
Leclown gets to the rack by TRAVELING & PUSHING off his defender… That style wouldn’t work in the 90’s because they ACTUALLY called traveling and offensive foul in those days so that overrated pos would probably avg.15-19ppg
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Facts....while averaging 4 fouls a game.
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@Iceman24424 I don't think he would've made a roster back in the 90's . They had to play defense back then, and he could never guard a parked tractor-trailer one on one if his life depended on it.
They had to have the mindset of I wanna destroy these dudes(opponents) on the court, and we know he doesn't think like that.
They had to have fundamentals (have a bag) back then
, and we know King anti-goat is bagless.
You had to be tough back then, and he acts soft in a soft era, so how was he gonna handle being fouled by 3 dudes driving to the basket?
@@Jimmy-ik2kc 1000% facts!!!
Lebron would also have a lot less assists because the rules for an assist was different.
Whaaaattt…you mean passing to the ball to someone at half court and then they drive to the basket and score isn’t an assist? lol 😂
😂Right! When Magic came into the league the only pass that counted as an assist was passing to a guy cutting towards the basket without a dribble. Then the receiver was allowed one dribble then 2. Then the kick out to shooters was added. Then the cherry pick pass for a layup was added, which is ridiculous. Point is this is another way Lebron benefited from the rules changes.
Definitely less ppg and lower fg% with no charge arc or defensive 3-sec rule which allowed big men to rim protect and teams pack the paint defensively since he relies on those 0-3 ft fg attempts. Then add in hand checking and a higher level of physicality allowed, he’s a different level player.
EXACTLY!!!! An assist then, which is CORRECT by the way, was to pass the ball and the person receiving the ball would immediately shoot it and score. Not pass the ball to a teammate, the teammate dribbles around and scores and you the passer gets an assist. This NBA is a complete sham and it’s f@cking embarrassing and a disgrace to the real men that played back then and lead by example to pave the way for these spoiled players today to buy their lamborghinis.
Anyone that saw the 2020 statpadding bonanza from Lebron to get that assists title knows what you're saying, there's a LOAD of videos on it, he passes the ball, the dude dribbles, posts up, pump fakes and scores all by himself, and thats an assist to Lebron. It was ABSURD.
These Lebron fans kill me about their feeling about other players that are considered greater than Lebron and don't realize that the only thing that matter is the stone cold facts.
we live in a narcissistic, feminine, feelings over facts society now so LBJ fan are right (in their mind only).
@@abdatruthteller5895 🤔 Who's considered greater than LeBron James?
@@lewismoultrie5548At least 9 other players....
I think Kevin Willis is being Kind to Lebron. Having Lebron averaging 19 a game. I Personally think Lebron would average a little less because of mental aspect of the game that Lebron is not good at all in. Lebron is very weak when it comes to the Mental part of the game;.
Feeble minded😊
How do you come back from being down 1-3 without being mentally tough?
I don't believe King anti-goat would be on a roster back then.....first ,he's soft ,he has too many flaws in is game ,he couldn't guard a parked tractor-trailer one on one if his life depended on it and he's not a good free throw shooter .
But when LeBron did play in the era of defense how many championships did he win..... NONE‼️
3. At least be honest
One. Because he will join the Bulls and then leave a year after because he won’t be able to handle MJ pushing him in practice 😂
@@jeffreyramirez3677 Jordan wouldn't want him, he had Scottie and wasn't giving up Scottie for anybody. Then they're not gonna allow LeBron to control the ball so he wouldn't work in the triangle.
@@Doc255 He has one legit championship without a super team in his career, he would likely not win any in the 90's.
@@manimal9871 Lebron does more than score. Thats where yall get it twisted but I respect your opinion. This 90s sht is getting old but I guess that's what they have to do to now to make him look bad
In like 5 yrs when we look back on the James era we gon be able to see just how controlled it was
It’s already starting and he hasn’t retired yet.
Every else will see it for the first time hopefully…but people like us have seen it his entire career. I’ve been complaining about this crap since the mid 2000s.
Which era? 03-10, 10-20 , or 20- now?
@@Allwegottt all of the above…lol.
@@scarletspider1240 gotchu playa, so which era isn’t controlled I guess?
Food for thought... PF's were 25-30lbs heavier, and centers were no less Ethan 6'11" and the ones that weren't at least 270+,were +7'1"...SF weren't skinny either, so that lane was clogged, not even Karl could walk through everyone... And Karl was stronger!
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Bron can’t play bully ball, average ball handling at best, low percentage shooting outside 3ft. He would have a mental beatdown that he would quit after 5-7yrs. Guys doesn’t like to compete and a history of quitting when it gets tough
Exactly and there would be no way to sustain in tht era without being willing to compete and thts whts missing in this era
No team hopping either which has been the key to his success and winning rings.
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Yall too funny! If Kevin Willis can be successful, LEBRON WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL! Period!! Do you know how big LeBron is?!😂😂😂
@@pastoryoutube6682 Kevin played a long time but he wasn't close to being a superstar. But LeBron would actually have to be a part of a system vs the way he plays now. Remember in Miami when he played without the ball he wasn't nearly as effective. He likely would have to play power forward, it doesn't matter how big he is. His style of play would have to change in order to fit into an offense. LeBron doesn't like to play with the paint loaded, that's 80s and 90s basketball. All that flopping isn't getting called, those guys would call him a little B for doing that. If you weren't around during those times you wouldn't know.
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Bro, I played in the 80’s and 90’s and I’m NOT DELUSIONAL!!! Give Bron Phil Jackson and we’ll figure out the rest!! 😂😂😂 This man needs to be on def comedy jam.
Absolutely. Because first of all, there would be none of this "point forward" stuff. They played basketball by position. Lebron would have been playing Small Forward within an actual offensive system, against real defense.
Pippen was the first point forward
@@youngskyler7568 80's agreed...he was the closest thing to it. But the Bulls didn't run the offense through him. He was just capable of it when needed - and it was pretty sparingly. Pippen was really the definition of a 3: the bridge between playing the wing and playing the post. It was crazy that he and Jordan could do both.
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So Magic, George Garvon, Big O, Pippen and Grant Hill all could have succes, and Bron couldn’t? 😂😂😂
So question? What is Kevin Willis in today’s game?
@pastoryoutube6682 19 pts a game IS success. Grant Hill was also better than Lebron. So was Dr. J. So was George Gervin. Because they ALL had a broader variety of skills than Lebron. Kevin Willia in today's game is almost non existent because it's all positionless basketball now with no defense. But that's not better basketball.
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So successful they scored at will, Grant Hill wasn’t a jump shooter man! 😂 He went down hill, y’all forget Bron was born on the 80’s, grew up in the 90’s in the hood and played on black top and football, the man wasn’t and isn’t soft, he’s playing like it is today, BUT TO BELIEVE HE COULDN’T PLAY THEN AND THEY COULDN’T DO NOTHING WITH LARRY JOHNSON, KARL MALONE OR SHAQ! Man Please! Them dudes was 210 at PF YALL better go to sleep!
What success would Kevin Willis have today? 😂
What a lot of people in my generation fail to realize that LeBron's game would look totally different if he played in the 80s and 90s he would have to shoot waaayyyyyyy more middys then what he shoots now
ig facts bro Lebron may not even have been a Grant Hill lol Hill had game for real he played downhill but he had a bag to go along with it
@@alrice2012 that’s why he would dominate. Kevin is not being factual in his assessment.
Lediddy can play till he dies-he'll never catch up to Michael. Lediddy hasn't retired yet cause the loser hasn't caught up to Michael yet. 22 seasons compared to Michael's 11 full Bull seasons and 2 Wizard years. The queen still trails Michael by 2 championships, 2 fmvp's, 1 mvp, 4 all defensive first teams, 1 dpoy award, 9 scoring titles, 3 steals titles, 2 3peats, the list goes on and on. How many more years does the queen need? Lmao smh@MrKrushbillingz
@@BigGameGee who's guarding LeBron on the perimeter? Who's guarding LeBron in transition? They couldn't handle Magic , Scottie , dominique , Dr J or Grant Hill , but they're gonna be able to handle LeBron? If you guys had so much denial about who LeBron is as a basketball player you wouldn't be talking about him like you more than likely do , the things you guys say isn't changing anything but making y'all look like hating ass fools.
@@chicagoan5411 We can just compare them from 21 years of age to 34 years of age. That's including everything.... LeBron clearly won from the age of 21 to 25.
No lies detected 🙏🏾
lebron played at hoops in the early 90's he was 14 yrs old go back to the data you will see who lebron played against, stop with your clicks you doing only for content
@@SheliaYates-u4iBULLSHIT! I'M OLDER than LeHypeJob, and I was 14yo by the MID-90s. STOP the 🧢!😂😂
@@SheliaYates-u4iBS! I'M OLDER than LeHypeJob, and I was 14yo by the MID-90s! STOP the 🧢!😂😂😂
Lebron James would shoot 39% because his shit would get packed by Dream, Robinson, Zo, Ewing, Eaton, Mutumbo, Smits, could go on and on. Every night hed be facing a better center relative to what he faces now. That's before you get to the PFs of then
@@SutekhDaSteemroller you sound stupid none of them every play against an athlete like Bron yall hate starting to take over yall basketball knowledge if Dominique can avg 30 what make yall think Bron can’t
Karl Malone
@@SutekhDaSteemroller stop it
No Diddy . ..
@@cyber6sapien Ill allow the pause
In 90's packed lanes and less spacers on the floor. LeBron would not have any advantages and they would force him to shoot from the outside. Without dunks and layups his fg percentage would be in the low 20's.
😂 he would be a roleplayer
😂I think it would be 15 points per game since the refs gonna call the stiff arm in the 90s
He would be a role player bc he can't play in a system
AI -MJ-Kobe was more creative offensively is why they could get off more shots. Labron had high usage rate so he got more assist, also he had to pass when he couldn’t get down hill
I used to say he’d average about 22-23ppg because he can’t shoot outside 3feet and the paint was clogged with big men. However, he’d be going to the line less so 19ppg is possible.
He would not be able to drive to the lane with those guys.
Wasn't any boys in that NBA grown men baby. No AAU or And1 players could make an NBA team. Moses Malone and Shawn Kemp were coming out of HS. These dudes most have never played on blacktop after elementary. Dudes has to shoot outside that lived in cold climates the Love of the game.
Prime LeBron would probably avg 17-19 ppg, 5-7 assists, and about 7 boards. Especially if he played in the East.
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Yall too funny! If Kevin Willis can be successful, LEBRON WOULD BE SUCCESSFUL! Period!! Do you know how big LeBron is?!😂😂😂
@pastoryoutube6682 WTF? And u think LeCharmin can "bully" through Kevin Willis? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@ You think he couldn’t?! 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Tim Hardaway Sr. Discussed how hard it was for him growing up in Chicago on the All the Smoke podcast. He described exactly what you just said and more. #theformatpodcast
My friends mom was his grammar school principal before he starred at Carver Highschool. His highschool was inside Altgeld Gardens a Southside housing project. He also had to duck gang culture since 5th grade
Yep, it was real out there for alot of folks
Damn Mel you don't sleep. Where do you get the time for all of this?? #theformatpodcast
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I would say less than that I would say around about 12 points a game
Sounds bout right
BS
What I remember about Kevin Willis was that jump hook
His arms was brolic....
Points were at a premium in the 90s. Physicality and hand checking was the great equalizer. Today the wide open lane gives athletic wings an advantage and the Freedom of Movement rule is an anti defense initiative to increase scoring. Yet top tier athletes like LeBron and Antman scoring 27 points out of 110. MJ scored 30 out of 95-100.
Great Great points
There are actually 13 teams averaging more than 114 a game with the top end teams at 120-122 ppg. The eras are not the same.
@@FullVenomJacket So Mel wasn’t far off. If LeBron averaged 27 ppg he scored 23% of his teams points at 115 ppg that’s equivalent to 23 ppg at 100 ppg. He would be Grant Hill. But his lack of a bag and ball handling might impact those numbers.
Thank you for all of your content Brotha
Thank you for the support 🙏
@Mandownsports keep up the good work, we can’t trust the mainstream sports media outlets anymore, it’s so refreshing to see a pack of Brothas and Sistas speaking the truth. I’m 110% supportive of this channel. I live in California so if you guys ever have any live events I’ll be there!!!
Lebron would have been no better than Larry Johnson
Say it again
Difference is LJ was more athletic, way tougher both physically and mentally and more skilled in every way besides passing.
LeBooboo James would average about sixteen barely.
Stop the cap
Danny Manning avg 20ppg in the 90s
LeBron can also avg 20 PPG
Manning had skill
@@JamesHarris-st7le LeBooboo James doesn't have a mid-range game or post or even good footwork and Danny has all of that.
Damn..... Mel, I think I agree with the caller from Georgia about Lebron scoring like 15 a game because Lebrom doesn't like contact unless it's a way smaller player but he doesn't like to bang down low. He has no middle jumper or real long jumper capabilities unless he gets hot but not on the average and back then he wouldn't have the ball in his hands all the time.
Facts I don't really see LeBron challenging them 90's center at all I said myself he would avg bout 15 from what we see from his game but maybe in the 90's he might have been better because he would be forced to work on his game
Interesting
19 would b about right. Because he's not a good jump shot shooter. Plus he has no post up skills and no pull of the dribble. He would have had to stay in the gym. And like you said and I told others. College for 1 year would have done him justice
Lebron does not have great talent, that is the problem. I am a Lebron hater, but! Put this version of Lebron back in the 80's-90's and he would struggle against the big men on the other teams with no 3 second rule and hand checking. He would not be able to face up the opponent's point guard and time when the other team's big man leaves the paint due to the 3 second rule. Without an open lane to drive to the basket, he no longer gets his easy dunks and layups. Since the rest of his game relies upon him getting to the basket, such as assists, he loses that as well. However, this would make him work on other areas of his game and perhaps it in fact makes him a way more skilled player and with his size perhaps he becomes a legiitimate super star?
Just stop talking basketball mans played 20 plus seasons prime lebron would cook them slow footed big men
@@andrewcoleman293 Ya ok
And if he would've avg 19, he definitely wouldn't have played 20 yrs. Soft as he acts he'd have lasted probably the same about 10-16 yrs
8 years he disappears into obscurity 😊
leFRAUD would barely sniff 15ppg in the 90's. And 15ppg is being generous.
Way too kind😊
Mel that’s why I take Pip on my 5 ( defense n chemistry) Scotti pt. forward, MJ - Kobe- KG- Hakeem….
Scottie is not a bad choice at all
@ what he lack offensively he makes up defensively and in chemistry, easy to fit in
90's Grant Hill was better than Lebron in the post, had better footwork and was a better ball handler on the perimeter. Lebron would have to play with either a Stockton to set him up or a Jordan type that gets constant double teams. Otherwise he will struggle. 18-20ppg sounds about right
You might be right ✅️
My question is how is he pass 1st with only 1 assist title in a shorten season over his 20 year career
@leonardjackson6210 he's not
You should have asked her caller did he remember the commercial with Kobe axe LeBron have you seen my rings 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
23 is way too high. You are comparing him to people like Mashburn and Cliff Robinson, and those guys that are skilled. He is not skills so he would struggle.
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LeBron averaging 19 is still on the high side, because you must take into account that 1-he have no bag. 2-his inability to handle pressure. 3- MJ was his hero, and back then, MJ would have been his nightmare. No powder toss then. 4-the pay was low, so there would be no million dollars body ie:EPO 😂😂😂😂
Slim LeBron averaged around 21 points per game his rookie year. That would be the baseline for predicting his performance in the 80s/90s. A good coach would have maximized his ability as a rim-runner, like a Karl Malone or James Worthy. He would safely average 22-23 points just going hard on fast breaks, without developing a post game (Malone) or mid-range shooting (Worthy). He can also be comparable to Dominique, but aside from a mid-range game, Wilkins actually had a decent handle, something LeBron had potential for but never developed because the NBA changed the way traveling was officiated. He is not in the same class as Barkley, who combined all the best attributes of strength and explosiveness, aside from his competitive ferocity in his early years. A really close comp would be Terry Cummings during the Milwaukee years. What would determine his ability to stay in the game is defense and effort. If he played traditional power forward and learned how to post up, he might hike his numbers to 25 or 26 points per game, around 8 to 10 rebounds, but definitely lower assist counts (maxed out at 5, and that's being generous). I'd give him 15 years max for his career, unless he learned how to shoot long twos like Malone did in his later career. If he played more like Big Game James, he might be more successful as a high-level secondary scorer, but without the padded stats of this era. Depending on the coach/teammates and how one would rate LeBron, 19 points per game is actually fair. It doesn't sound overwhelming because of current stat inflation, but that's a decent number and would put him in the top quartile at his position during that period.
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Mel I agree with funkytown. Jordan improved Pip game and I seen mashburn play in HS . Monster mash had a bag, good footwork , mid range and was able to score in them pockets that presented themselves in them tough defenses. If your saying Bron improves bc of Era then your absolutely right Maybe 23-5-5… but if it’s the Labron we watched 17-5-5
Im not going to do him like that. I would say about 4-5 points less. So i would say about 21-22.
@@dewanewelch1744 Let’s give credit where it is due. But it would really depend on the teammates and coach.
Mel! Another great show, much blessings and success to you! There’s another thing I think people overlook when they just try to compare the eras, when they play today and there’s no defensive intensity from the beginning of the game and you just let your man run down run to whatever spot he wants and shoots, you’re not setting any type of precedence for later in the game! Meaning, if I’m hounding, my man defensively and I actually get in his head he know he starts to understand he can’t really get his shot off or even bring the ball up either. His coach is gonna notice that and take them out of the game or I’m gonna definitely take advantage of that when the game is close or at the end of the game to excel my team to a victory! The path to less resistance has such a wide range of consequences when it comes to the game of basketball, when is the last time you even seen somebody say hey we’re going to go at the other team’s best player and get him in foul trouble? So I don’t think it’s accurate when we say that the players have a better skill set again without the resistance, whenever you’re able to dominate the ball and actually showcase your game it looks and appears that you have more skills than the other players who were playing in a system !
Bron has taken game winners in the clutch. There is a big but to it. He takes them on teams he knows he can get it off and when he isn't nervous. Plus the stage that he is on. If it's a team is fighting him back and the stage is a nba title late in a game he will pass or don't want the ball. Remember the block vs golden state. He went back down and stood in the corner and didn't ask for or go get the ball. Just look at kyrie. And luckily Kyrie made it
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And when the score is tied. He rarely takes them when they're down 1 or 2 points.
Ive mentioned this about other players as well. Someone called jokic a top 5 all time, i said in the 90's he probably wouldn't even be a top 5 center. All the physical true centers and power forwards in those days would chop that boy down....😂
Mince meat
Mince meat
Jokic would be Dino Radja, Sabonis or a Divac like player in the 90s
Lefraud is soft. Created a company to campaign for the GOAT. SMH. Kobe is #2 all day
Bird was a primary scorer who got a lot of assists as well. I thibk maybe he and I thibk Pistol Pete were those trendsetter guys. #theformatpodcast
Its still not the same though. Bird got assist but he was not setting up the offense. Tiny Achibald then Dennis Johnson was running the offense. Bird was such a gifted passer he got a alot of touch assist and rely assist. If he ran the offense I promise Bird would avg over double assist.
19pt in the 90s? no way lebra has no bag what so ever.
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FOLKS IN THE COMMENT SECTION LBJ GAME IS SO BORINGG, 😂😂 WAS NEVERR EXCITED TO SEE HIM PLAY FROM DAY ONE. HE AINT GOT DAT SWAG , ITS NOT IN HIM, SORRY LBJ APOLOGIST OUTHERE. LBJ IS VERY GREAT, BUT HE,S NOT UNBELIEVABLE SORRY, THAT'S THE HONEST TRUTH FROM THE BOTTOM OF MY HEART, NO CAPPING. NO TROLLING MJ WAS UNBELIEVABLE, REMARKABLE, PLAYING THE GAME OF BASKETBALL. , NEVERRR SEEN B 4 ,FACTS,OK FOLKS THATS WHY THE NBA RATINGS IS HOGG WASH UNDER LBJ WATCH ,SORRY FOLKS. HE,S NOT THE MAN WHEN IT COMES TO BASKETBALL, THERE,S ONLY ONE MAN. AND THATS ,MICHEAL HIS AIRNESS JEFFREY JORDAN, BLACK JESUS IN GYM SHORTS AND SNEAKERS ASK LARRY BIRD AND MANY OTHERS. AND LAST AND NOT LEAST, WHO WEARS LEBRONS??lol 😂😂 MIC 🎤 DROP
Summed up perfectly 😊
Somebody does he signed a lifetime deal with them
@@juanellchapman4545 DUDE when you say NIKE. ONLY ONE ATHLETE COMES TO MIND INSTANTLY. MICHAEL HIS AIRNESS JEFFREY JORDAN, AKA (AIR JORDAN) ENOUGH SAID PEACE ✌️
The difference between the LeBron and Jordan era is DEFENSE. The game is no fun to watch because no one wants to play defense in today’s game. That why the game scoring average is so high today because no one playing defense.
15 to 16. He would be a more athletic Carlos Rodgers
You must be 15 or 16 he'd be on the bench traveling every possession, an they would steal the ball easily!!!
Yeah that scouting report for Mike simply said..” He’s a Problem “
I think the NBA was at its best from the 90's - 2012
No way best from 60s to 90syour young that's why you say that 80ss had the 3 of the 5 greatest teams of all time Lakers Celts an Sixers who swept Showtime Lakers in finals!
Great segment, while it was interesting what Kevin Willis stated in regards to Lebron James playing in the 90’s?? Lebron is soft in this era, he ain’t running through the likes of Barkley, Laimbeer, Rodman, Oakly, Hakeem, Ewing, Mchale, Shawn Kemp, and Larry Johnson just to name a few. Maybe he would average around 7 to 10 points. You had real savants back in the ’80s and 90’s guys who could think and played inside out, post presence, pressure defense, and high-level offense due to such fantastic defense. My man, you have to factor in the level of the defenses, hard fouls, and attitude.
Stockton only play 19 years
Kevin Willis speaks the Truth
I kinda agree with Kevin Willis because of these 3 reasons. 1, he would've HAD to play both sides of the ball which definitely tires you out. No more playing free safety on defense. 2 the schedule. More back to backs, schedule didn't allow for a lot of rest taking even more of a toll on his body. 3 finally, the physicality of the game. Everyone from Rodman to Patrick Ewing and the Knicks didn't allow easy layups. The fouls that people like Artest and Laimbeer committed back then would have them serving life sentences with no parole. You're also right about playing ball in the hood as opposed to playing at the Y. You're likely to get into a fight for just shaking a guy out of their shorts and don't call "ball" for a touch foul. Once you get that 1st good hit going to the basket you find out real quick what kinda heart you have.
19 pts seems a bit low. I think 22-23 points. He would have had to work on a better jump shot. So that gets him a few more than current Lebron.
His rebounds would be shocking though. And slightly lower assists maybe, but he's not going to be a bum in the 90's just like a 2nd star on a championship team.
Certainly going to a better defender in that era. They forced him in Miami and they would in the 90s too. That and a jump shot would be the only positives. I feel the downsides outweigh the positives though.
There would have been a lot of traffic in the key. He would either have to develop a mid-range game and/or learn how to play with his back to the basket. Nothing about the way he plays would have worked back then. Not entirely his fault. . .they just changed the rules (defensive three in the key and no hand-checking) and don't call traveling, carrying or double-dribble now. Even if he played as long as this, which is very unlikely in a much more physical league, he would still be way behind Kareem in points for reasons I just stated.
Mel, you and I both revere how Great Kobe was. We really know how good he was year 4. I believe 23-6-4 averages. Take that same frame but give him 2 notches more athleticism, make him a lil stronger with bigger hands, turn his motor up 1 notch, give him 3 years under Dean Smith, an Olympic Gold under Bobby Knight, spark his fire from jealous vets and you have MJ as a rookie 28-6-6 . Think about that bro crazy right?
MJ is just a different breed
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There is a clip when MJ was hurt with a groin injury playing against the Knicks and they interviewed MJs mom and she said he may be hurt but he has a mental toughness and will give a 150% and play even harder to try to win .He didn’t sit out and still performed at a high level.
The defensive three in the key rule radically changed the game. It all but eliminated rim defenders and interior defense from the game. Lebron scores the bulk of his points by putting his head down and going to the rim. Without that rule, however, there's a 7-footer and a large power forward meeting him in the paint, and he would want no part of that. He also has no post or mid-range game to speak of. The late 80s and early 90s would have been very tough for him.
Michael did not average 6.2 assists per game, he averaged 5.3.
Finally somebody who said the same shit i said. His skillset eauates to around 17-19 ppg in the late 80s and 90s
Great point by the first
Caller…
LeBron would actually have to throw hands in the 90s… THAT was part of the game! 🤷🏾♂️
Based on that, Brandon Ingram and James Johnson would have been fine!!! 😆
20ppg during the 90's was a great number especially in the second half. And I don't get how Lebron would score that many in an era with D and strong guys that would not clear the lane just for him especially when he has little to none post game and mid-range...One might argue he would adapt, but for 22 years i have NOT seen him adapt to any system, develop at least a decent free throw shooting or any other BASE skill set! Imagine him against Rodman (even in his Pistons years when he was skinny), Barkley, Alonso, Oakley and many more. Which one of those would bend over and free the lane for an easy layup not to mention there would still be a center as the last line of defense? I DO agree the 90's were the golden age of nba because we had a tough league with distinct roles and at least 4-5 star players COMPETING for each position! And all those were more skilled and creative than today because they were forced to be in a heavily saturated paint! Players HAD to develop various skills! Now there are no positions, everyone is focused on developing decent 3-point shooting, no pressure on D, and that's why we see so many uncalled everything: players just don't got the basic skills to play by the rules, and this is disgusting at least on my part!
5:25 - 6:17 you was speaking straight facts 💯 I remember playing against a few crackheads back when I was a youngster. RIP HAWK
The real ones know 💯
My guy sound like the Rookie wide receiver that play for the Bills.
no way you got devo on your channel!?
Devo?
@ they called him that. 💯
Mentality is a big part of the 90's game! No team jumping and coach firing. A major part was the salaries. Lbj would go from 50 million annually to 8 million. Would lbj be motivated after such a pay cut?🤣 Defense was a must, so no flopping.
Them boys don't even play a full season these days. You got your money's worth during the Jordan era. Everyone came suited up to bring their 'A' game. Especially when Jordan was in town. I feel privileged to witness Kareem, Bird, Magic, Dr. J., Olojuwan, Barkley and so so many others play ... 😀
Listen up! James would not have made the team. He would have been just another black guy trying to make it to the NBA. We had millions of black guys out of the hood trying to find a way out. When basketball didn't work, they when to Rapping. Back in the 90's James would have been just a little black kid dreaming of being in the NBA or college. The NBA was looking for the best of the best. So you guys are saying that James is up there with the players who played in the 90's? All I can say is You guys need to stay off drugs. He just a regular basketball player. Just watch the video games on James, really watch!! PBUY!
Don't forget that he is still being rewarded with maximum contracts after being swept in the playoffs!😂
And no physicality for longevity!😂
To be an elite perimeter scorer back then, a player needed a mid range game and bonafide go to moves
@@scorpionJB true
Yeah I think a lot of the younger people don’t understand how basketball used to work back there not only it being physical more crowded. You had different players at different positions. Also, we have to play within the system even if you knew you was nice and you wanted to take over your coaches would rarely let you just go one on one. You have to move the ball even with your teammates if you scored a couple baskets in a row and they would even tell you if you wanted to get another Shot, you better go get a rebound or hustle for but now players can just dominate the ball hold onto it 80% of the shot clock and still don’t have the dynamic games of players of the past eras ! Last point and we had to play both sides of the ball or you were coming out of the game no matter how valuable you were on offense
Those Bulls teams would destroy any LeBron or GS team.
People just can't admit Lebron didn't do shit until he joined two others superstars. And when you start talking about Kobe winning championships with Shaq they forget it was Shaq who didn't win shit until Kobe was unleashed. Shaq had been erased in his first Finals by Hakeem and the Rockets, then failed the rest of the 90's at Orlando and L.A. until Kobe made the giant leap in 2000.
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If not less, because the only points he’d get would be when his wild bully ball out of control shots actually went in the hoop. Most of his points come from the free throw line when he get ticky tac bail out touch fouls driving wildly and out of control to the basket.
Calling carry and travel alone would bring his scoring down by at least 10 points 😂. Taking away that off arm and facing actual defenders would chip away as well. With his penchant for quitting-all things considered-maybe 12-15 points.
Kevin is optimistic. After his first hard foul each game, LeBron would cry for his coach to bench him. Eventually, after seeing guys like Charles Oakley and Bill Laimbeer, he’d beg his coach to permanently leave him on the bench.
In 90s basketball you needed to play defence. I don't think Lebron would get off the bench with his mentality.
Honestly this debate is became redundant just like conversations about relationship between black women and black men is redundant.
The first caller was a true Lebron fan to the heart. The min he started saying can’t you give him 24 or 25 points then said we can just call him the goat of this era. Everytime you hit him with those articulate questions Mel he froze and tried to find something he can say to make lebum look good🤦🏾♂️
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I was thinking the same thing. He would be just like Grant Hill. Here is the issue though. Hill had a great handle anf agility for his size LBJ handle is beyond terrible and he was never agile.
LeBron wouldn’t be able to play that era and average 19 ppl , Kevin Willis was just being generous , more like 14-15ppg is the most I give him, because he can’t shoot and his dribble game would be getting plucked most of the game and he has no bag
Yo Kevin Willis is big af! I don’t see LeBron just bowling him over or A few guys like Oak or enforcers in the league. See, young cats don’t know about those enforcers that would make somebody like Draymond act right lol.
Jordan came up " The rough side of the Mountain !
MJ always said 80% of the game is mental
You can defend against Bron especially if you put in the hand checking he has no post move no go to move no jump shot and he's has a tendency to turn the ball over we all have seen his game for 22 years and back then it was way more big power forwards who can play physical basketball and defend they would've stopped Bron from going to the hole like he does against smaller point guards they would make Bron pick up his dribble... have noticed when you play defense on Bron and you stop his dribble he's lost he tends to throw the ball away or give it up and gets it back to only shoot a 3 cause his defender plays that defense haven't anyone noticed it I have!!
The first caller seems like a good guy but he’s a casual fan for the most part
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This dude that's talking that's a LeBron fan he's More makes more sense than those outrageous LeBron fans.because he's not arguing he's also listening
All the fans that saw Jordan and Lebron play all say Jordan is the superior player. It's only the fans that saw just Lebron play that say Lebron is the superior player. I agree with Willis btw. He would still drive to the hoop and get some layups/dunks and he would dish out some punishment because of his size. But he'd get clobbered too and Lebron has shown he isn't mentally tough so idk that he'd continue going to the hole game after game and taking all that punishment. If he resorted to shooting more jumpers well we all know he's never been a good shooter outside of 3 feet. So Willis is correct imo. About 20ppg is what Lebron would average in the 80s/90s.
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Lebron wouldnt be a #1 option back then he shouldve never been just been miscast his entire career
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since the late 2000s Ive always thought the same thing that lebron with that rule set would average 17 to 19ppg because he really has no moves he would be called for travelling non stop and offensive fouls he has zero post game and he is a poor mid range shooter he thrives in todays game because he's allowed to charge into you and the lanes are empty