@@noneed4me2n7 Gene Roddenbury flew a disputed 89 combat missions. A technical failure of his aircraft prevented him from aborting a take off that resulted in the death of an airman. Gene was brought into military service as a second lieutenant and eventually became a Captain... Basically... Before Star Trek Roddenbury had seen and done alot that allowed him to bring that experience to bear in his show. Classic Trek showed a structural hierarchy that allows large and complex organisations to function that supports the shows verisimilitude... While Nu Trek abhor's hierarchy's unless it's a hierarchy the showrunner and writers personally approve of... ... I say, conscript them into military service for a few years and let them experience what Gene did in WW2. Then maybe they'll have enough experience to write for Trek.
This is related to something I said a couple of weeks ago. I stated that the writers are trying to justify themselves when they make their characters do rotten things but then the characters blame their parents!!! (In my example, I believe that the writers are responding to criticism in their personal and professional lives.)
Rhys. Rhys is behind It all. Rhys is the villain, the ultimate villain, whom nobody suspects because he is so quiet and he seems like such a nice guy. In the final episode, Rhys will take control of the progenitors' technology, and he will use it to destroy STD's dimension, while he escapes to another dimension. Yay, Rhys!
It all makes sense now. All the pieces for all five seasons all slide into place. He was always in the background of previous seasons. No one gave him a second thought. We were led to believe that it was just crappy writing by incompetents. But he waited for his moment. This IS his time!! -- Old Man
They also brought in a new character in Rayner which really does not make much sense much like the whole series. That also caused the bridge crew to be ignored.
I think they brought Rayner in before they knew they were getting cancelled. However, I doubt knowing about the cancellation would have changed anything. -Mollie
Speaking of Old Trek's practice of featuring the supporting cast in numerous episodes, my favourite episode of Voyager is "Someone to Watch Over Me". That story is all about Seven and The Doctor.
Pop survey: how many memorable TOS episodes can you recall? How many memorable Discovery episodes can you name? There were 79 TOS vs 65 STD episodes STD is something like what Staying Alive was to Saturday Night Fever or Highlander 2 to Highlander 1
Okay, I am putting this here just to have a record of the guess. I think the Progenitors' tech is going to be either Spore Drive tech itself (meaning Discovery had the tech the whole time), or some tech the Progenitors used to create or use the Mycellial network. Culber came back from something having to do with the network and the Spore Drive using the network allows for the jumping around the galaxy that would be useful for the seeding the Progenitors did. So, if they did create or first master the Mycellial network, I would be ok with that as it does make some sense.
I really hate the way the female crew always look at each other every time Rayner does something that actually makes sense. And what was Tilley smiling at when Raynor told her to eff off?!
He will redeem her in the last episode then she will get community service to help space refugees like he did and a month later she will join starfleet and become Adira's boyfriend
I have an even worse idea: that new portal leads back to the nonsense Expanse rip-off portal from the end of Picard Season 2. Burnham goes through and is greeted by AgnesBorg who hails her as the new empress of everything.
It does make one wonder what that new generation of cadets is going to be like. I guess we'll find out one day if that Academy series ever oozes its way onto the shore to be viewed -- Old Man
@@mollieandtheoldman , Tantrum ridden silver spoons who had it all handed to them. Only to construct the premise that their feelings about not being called stupid and incompetent are more important than the outcomes of their work. Spoiled rotten rich b**ch BS... *maybe... probably...
The only STD character that ever had what it takes to be a Captain was Lorca. None of the other characters (inluding Pike) would ever make it in real life. Salome Jens is still alive and did some voice work on Star Trek Online as the Female Changeling to she could come back as the Progenitor just to tell Burnham how proud she is of her...
I think Capt. Georgiou might have made a good captain for a series, if only she had chosen a better first officer. (But not Lorca. Mirror universe people cannot function in the normal universe. That was the point of Mirror, Mirror.)
U guys need a reward for sitting thru this absolute mindless dribble. I have to watch it reviews because I like watching ppl’s misery. But u guys are great, sainthood level!
After leaving lock to rot for hours ,she decides to preserve him now?? So you can beam through a shuttle's shields now on to a ship with shields up now? From a cloaked shuttle Shields what are they good for ? absolutely nutin ! Why would the Breen wear environmental suits on their own ship ? Should it not be one big frozen environment ? The craft services table must be great on this show . All you have to do is look at Tilly Adira, Helm officer and the Federation President 😅🤣😂
They're doing Star Wars because of the exhaust port. And also, they impersonate the Breen, who don't shoot well and are easily knocked out. But it can't be a serious action episode because it's so stupid. The great Breen appear to have a hole in their shields. It just becomes a minor inconvenience. The ending was completely absurd. Discovery crashes into the Breen ship? And they beam away just exactly who they should beam and then the other guys get caught in the trash can? And the Breen don't destroy Discovery or beam other people away or shoot everyone? So it's bad serious action episode and bad action comedy. Why did Burnham even step into the barrel?
Now that Moll has lost her partner, she has become very one note. Aside from eps one, this season has been kinda boring. Which is sad since this is the Final Season.
She really did! She's supposed to be this strong female character, but she was completely defined by men--L'ak and her absent dad. As it turns out, she wasn't such a great 'strong female' after all. -Mollie
There is a bet going with the writers: as a running joke they write the worst characters they can to see if the show runners will reject them,. And the other joke is they never do.
It'd be funny to have a reality tv show where it was based on Secret Hideout's writing room. This show would center on people submitting the most outrageously stupid things that they can think of and we all watch how it gets green-lit time after time after time -- Old Man
When the whole story started as a hunt for a MacGuffin we all knew that it's gonna be a bunch of filler episodes which lead to a bad and unworthy finale. All the last episode will do is making "these are the voyages" come off as a masterpiece of a finale.
I was just looking up how the German word "Moll"translates to English ("minor" in music) and discovered that Moll in American English is actually a term for 1.a gangster's female companion 2. a prostitute I wasn't aware of that. Hm. Why is that character in discovery called Moll then? 🤔 The creativity of those writers is SO overwhelming! 🤣 BTW "Mollie" of course is a variant of Mary and as such originally means "bitter" over "beloved" in Hebrew.
Imagine that Star Trek Discovery is a person, a singer, you know, like Ol' Blue Eyes. At this moment, he approaches the microphone, stands before the audience, and sings: And now, the end is near, And so I face the final curtain. My friend, I'll say it clear, I'll state my case, of which I'm certain. I am a rotten show, I killed off Trek, and cried so sadly. And more, much more than this, I did it badly.
They did indeed do it their way. The problem is, they have no ability to know that they did it badly. I don't think that their minds are capable of processing that idea. They think they did good. It's the audience that let them down -- Old Man
25:50 Here I must "defend" the show. This is a common (idiotic) trope that you can see in many shows. Watch any Star Wars fight involving Storm Troopers and see how they are knocked out by being punched while wearing armour. 🤣
How did the translator know when to send comms only to the crew, and when to translate and say it outside the suit to the Breen? Maybe they explained it and I just don't pay as much attention because this season has been one long story with the object of interest known for half a season, and we are just waiting for the road trip to be over.
@@mollieandtheoldman The security is pretty bad, for military vessels on a mission of galactic importance. This whole premise is so silly. So dangerous you can't use it and must hide it for 1000 years, but also not so dangerous that you just destroy it.
We thought about the Ori's giant Stargate. But, IIRC, that was always built as a Stargate. The Expanse had that small-ish thing that left Venus and turned into a giant portal. -- Old Man
I just realized how big a part of my recent years ST Discovery was, and I am just sad that the show is so bad, I stepped into a new chapter of my life when season 1 started and now when change is in the horizon its the ending, IF this show was at lest 10% as good as old Star Trek it would have edged a place in my heart, but now its nothing but a scar to be ignored and forgotten, I would request u to cover new and old sifi shows and recomed in ur videos for us to watch,
We have done so (covering other shows), if you look at other videos on our channel. We also intend to continue to do recommending of other sci-fi/fantasy shows once this wave of new crap is done. Hang in there! -- Old Man
@@mollieandtheoldman Thank you, I am following other videos on ur channel, and I also intend to follow the sifi shows The Old Man recommended in this video, I believe the first part is available on TH-cam so I will start that series, I can't thank you guys enough how supportive your videos are, Love ur content and bye take care
Do be aware that "Space Command" is of a fan film quality - production standards wise. But it is original content (well, for a rebooted property) and their hearts seem to be in the right place. They advertise themselves as building a "hopeful future". *My* hope is that, as the film series moves on, they get better at making them. It's watchable with a lot of potential but it is rough in some spots. -- Old Man
There is a scene in Firefly where Mal and Wash are tied up being tortured and while in that state they have a conversation about their personal lives. That worked as a humor contrast. But in Discovery, it's SOP -- Old Man
I will not miss Star Trek: Discovery on television once it's done. I disliked it when they went into the 30th Century, including how they decided to create The Burn. While I've had (and quite frankly) enough of any Trek series taking place in the Kirk-era timeframe. They could have created an awesome series. However, Kurtzman and Secret Hideout decided that creating a great series wasn't in the cards.They're quite incapable of doing so. Oh, and 25 cents is being too generous. 15 cents is more like it. 😂
You guys know I normally have a fair bit to say. But I don't have much for this episode. I was expecting more, so I'll yap about something else. Trying to be fair, I think I have been lulled into expecting penultimate episodes to now be on par with the finale if not better. Some shows, probably mostly Game of Thrones, have conditioned me to the climax in the penultimate, and the repercussions of the big climax, in the finale. But this is the finale season, so maybe that was an unfair expectation.
Pandering, it is all pandering not woke but trying to prove that they are not racist sexists but they also do a small number of episodes by comparison to the other revival shows so characters have to be ignored though I remember they did the same thing on the original series.
I disagree on the "You cant make leaders". You can learn pretty much anything, the question is how much you are willing to change. Obviously at the point when you get to leadership learning, you have all that baggage you learned before. But there is not much holding you back to change if you are willing, knowing humans don't really like to change. The problem with Tilly's character is the writers that have no clue what consistency is, much less how to create characters with established personalities. Since the characters tend to just have personality traits and behaviours as they are needed and THAT is what makes watching this insufferable.
I was in a leadership program several years ago, and there were people who just didn't have what it took to be a leader. There was one person in particular who wanted it more than anything, but they couldn't get their panic under control. This person behaved like the Tilly character, but on steroids, and I have a feeling this person would be diagnosed today as being on a 'spectrum'. However, this person made an excellent follower, unlike Tilly. As for the characters' inconsistent personality traits, that's been running rampant in entertainment for a while now. The writers don't care what a character did in the previous episode, let alone the previous season. Of course, it doesn't matter because that character isn't a real character. They're just a tool to advance the plot. Sloppy and lazy writing. I'm looking forward to the day when competent writing makes a comeback. -Mollie
@@mollieandtheoldman Sure there are exceptions to anything, but I'm not convinced the leader statement to be true. There are many ways to lead but some ways may be less suited in some settings, but even in strict hierarchal one can find varying styles of leadership and not necessary better or worse. As mentioned, often the main issue (bar illness or other physical hindrances) is the inability to adapt to new settings. The writers of Discovery have no clue about the setting, as such the Tilly and frankly most characters on this travesty of a show, are out of place, not just because they fail to perform their role they inhabit, but they lack professionalism, as they are most of the time performing a job. IN my experience people that act professionally, leaders or otherwise, don't need to assert their position or question the position of others. Everyone has a job to do and any professional will add to the group by doing their job. THAT is the main issue with the writing of Discovery, they are all unprofessional, which then creates this dissonance between the characters supposed role and their actions. Its fine to have people act out or "have a bad day", but in Discovery everyone seems to having a bad day everyday and frankly if it wasn't for plot armour they wold have been dead in episode 1, because the writers could not make them competent if their lives dependent on it.
Why would the Breen use environmental suits when walking around on their own ship? Wouldn't they just make the environment comfortable for themselves and take the suits off?
Soon our Discovery misery will be over. Good riddance. Though I worry that Kurtzman will double-down on Discovery and start weaving some of it's gawd awful concepts and methods into future Trek series. Where were the Trek franchise gate keepers all this time? Fail.
And all that money flushed down the toilet to do this - sad. A fraction of that could be used to make good Star Trek if they had the right people running this -- Old Man
@@mollieandtheoldman Very good point! If I owned the IP, it would be a requirement that a series or movie could only be done under a lean budget. I think this would have the effect of prioritizing the quality of the writing. This requires focus and discipline, though. I'm beginning to think that this may be a generational issue with rare exceptions these days.
@@stopgeorge Nicholas Meyer said that art thrives on restrictions. Orson Welles said, "The enemy of art is the absence of limitation." There are various psychological theories about why this appears to be true. For example, somebody said, "Creativity is what happens when a mind encounters an obstacle." [It is an intriguing topic, and it would make a great Star Trek episode.]
You can tell that these writers have no real military background or understand story logic or structure.
One of the things I miss with a lot of modern writers. Real life experiences. Some of my favorite writers were vets.
@@noneed4me2n7 Gene Roddenbury flew a disputed 89 combat missions. A technical failure of his aircraft prevented him from aborting a take off that resulted in the death of an airman. Gene was brought into military service as a second lieutenant and eventually became a Captain...
Basically... Before Star Trek Roddenbury had seen and done alot that allowed him to bring that experience to bear in his show. Classic Trek showed a structural hierarchy that allows large and complex organisations to function that supports the shows verisimilitude... While Nu Trek abhor's hierarchy's unless it's a hierarchy the showrunner and writers personally approve of...
... I say, conscript them into military service for a few years and let them experience what Gene did in WW2. Then maybe they'll have enough experience to write for Trek.
And worse, emulate video games as "real" combat.
@@davfree9732 Nah, just get better writers.
Tilly is a self insert of writers who see themselves as being worthy of being leaders with zero experience.
This is related to something I said a couple of weeks ago. I stated that the writers are trying to justify themselves when they make their characters do rotten things but then the characters blame their parents!!! (In my example, I believe that the writers are responding to criticism in their personal and professional lives.)
We've thought for a while that most of these writers use episode's content as a way to work out their latest therapy session. -- Old Man
If Tilly is teaching leadership, it must be in the form of, "Look at everything I've done, and do the exact opposite."
Rhys.
Rhys is behind It all. Rhys is the villain, the ultimate villain, whom nobody suspects because he is so quiet and he seems like such a nice guy.
In the final episode, Rhys will take control of the progenitors' technology, and he will use it to destroy STD's dimension, while he escapes to another dimension.
Yay, Rhys!
It all makes sense now. All the pieces for all five seasons all slide into place. He was always in the background of previous seasons. No one gave him a second thought. We were led to believe that it was just crappy writing by incompetents. But he waited for his moment. This IS his time!! -- Old Man
I blame Lorca! It’s all his fault. He took _Space Jesus_ from the prison shuttle.
I blame the tartigrade for having a soft spot.
@@stopgeorge Very true. 🤣
It was the Red Angel Suit. Should never have survived the crash on the planet.
They also brought in a new character in Rayner which really does not make much sense much like the whole series. That also caused the bridge crew to be ignored.
I think they brought Rayner in before they knew they were getting cancelled. However, I doubt knowing about the cancellation would have changed anything. -Mollie
I can't believe this series is still running. I bailed after season 2
And that is why you can still see 4 lights -- Old Man
@@mollieandtheoldmanTHERE ARE..... FOUR... LIGHTS...
Book: How do we get on their ship?
Burnham: I happen to have an intrinsic understanding of South Park. Begin Operation Lemmywinks!
😄
Speaking of Old Trek's practice of featuring the supporting cast in numerous episodes, my favourite episode of Voyager is "Someone to Watch Over Me". That story is all about Seven and The Doctor.
Imagine if Riker was pacing the deck in a tense situation and Wesley suddenly tells him to sit down cause he's making the crew nervous 😂
Pop survey: how many memorable TOS episodes can you recall?
How many memorable Discovery episodes can you name?
There were 79 TOS vs 65 STD episodes
STD is something like what Staying Alive was to Saturday Night Fever or Highlander 2 to Highlander 1
💯 with Old Man...this series should have been titled "Star Trek Burn'em".
Okay, I am putting this here just to have a record of the guess.
I think the Progenitors' tech is going to be either Spore Drive tech itself (meaning Discovery had the tech the whole time), or some tech the Progenitors used to create or use the Mycellial network.
Culber came back from something having to do with the network and the Spore Drive using the network allows for the jumping around the galaxy that would be useful for the seeding the Progenitors did. So, if they did create or first master the Mycellial network, I would be ok with that as it does make some sense.
Also, the final episode is titled "Life, Itself". Hmmm.
I really hate the way the female crew always look at each other every time Rayner does something that actually makes sense. And what was Tilley smiling at when Raynor told her to eff off?!
They do that? The female crew?
Did you notice that Book is no longer interested in redeeming Moll? Where did that plotline go?
He will redeem her in the last episode then she will get community service to help space refugees like he did and a month later she will join starfleet and become Adira's boyfriend
@@NitpickingNerdmaybe😂
I have an even worse idea: that new portal leads back to the nonsense Expanse rip-off portal from the end of Picard Season 2. Burnham goes through and is greeted by AgnesBorg who hails her as the new empress of everything.
"Those who can, do. Those who can't, teach" - Tilly, ST Discovery
It does make one wonder what that new generation of cadets is going to be like. I guess we'll find out one day if that Academy series ever oozes its way onto the shore to be viewed -- Old Man
@@mollieandtheoldman , Tantrum ridden silver spoons who had it all handed to them. Only to construct the premise that their feelings about not being called stupid and incompetent are more important than the outcomes of their work.
Spoiled rotten rich b**ch BS...
*maybe... probably...
The only STD character that ever had what it takes to be a Captain was Lorca. None of the other characters (inluding Pike) would ever make it in real life. Salome Jens is still alive and did some voice work on Star Trek Online as the Female Changeling to she could come back as the Progenitor just to tell Burnham how proud she is of her...
I think Capt. Georgiou might have made a good captain for a series, if only she had chosen a better first officer. (But not Lorca. Mirror universe people cannot function in the normal universe. That was the point of Mirror, Mirror.)
Ahaha, wopner at 4.
The other line about her cloning herself was funny.
I'm a bit scared to tell her that K-mart no longer exists -- Old Man
U guys need a reward for sitting thru this absolute mindless dribble. I have to watch it reviews because I like watching ppl’s misery. But u guys are great, sainthood level!
We're barely hanging on to sanity. But we do it so that the rest of the population doesn't go mad -- Old Man
@@mollieandtheoldman Good on u OldMan! It’s weird I don’t like the show but still feel a need to hear about it! Thanks for ur service!
After leaving lock to rot for hours ,she decides to preserve him now??
So you can beam through a shuttle's shields now on to a ship with shields up now?
From a cloaked shuttle
Shields what are they good for ? absolutely nutin !
Why would the Breen wear environmental suits on their own ship ? Should it not be one big frozen environment ?
The craft services table must be great on this show .
All you have to do is look at Tilly Adira, Helm officer and the Federation President 😅🤣😂
Where's Moriarty and his holograph simulation when you need him?
I'd be happy with an Enterprise "End simulation" to get us out of this crap. Only one more episode to go though. We can do it!!! -- Old Man
Was that really the second to last episode of the series? Wow!
Make sure to shake one's head while saying "wow" to get the full effect -- Old Man
They're doing Star Wars because of the exhaust port. And also, they impersonate the Breen, who don't shoot well and are easily knocked out.
But it can't be a serious action episode because it's so stupid. The great Breen appear to have a hole in their shields. It just becomes a minor inconvenience.
The ending was completely absurd. Discovery crashes into the Breen ship? And they beam away just exactly who they should beam and then the other guys get caught in the trash can? And the Breen don't destroy Discovery or beam other people away or shoot everyone?
So it's bad serious action episode and bad action comedy.
Why did Burnham even step into the barrel?
Because she didn't want Book to see how she let him down....again :) -- Old Man
Now that Moll has lost her partner, she has become very one note.
Aside from eps one, this season has been kinda boring. Which is sad since this is the Final Season.
She really did! She's supposed to be this strong female character, but she was completely defined by men--L'ak and her absent dad. As it turns out, she wasn't such a great 'strong female' after all. -Mollie
I predict this show will end not with a bang, but a whimper.
Everything after Enterprise was a waste of time, unless you only live for lens flares.
There was lots of yelling and running around like idiots too -- Old Man
36:20 Nice Rayner stance, Mollie. 😁
Thank you for your service! looking forward to your comments on the final.
There is a bet going with the writers: as a running joke they write the worst characters they can to see if the show runners will reject them,. And the other joke is they never do.
It'd be funny to have a reality tv show where it was based on Secret Hideout's writing room. This show would center on people submitting the most outrageously stupid things that they can think of and we all watch how it gets green-lit time after time after time -- Old Man
Lorca and Phillips Georgiou (mirror and prime) were the most memorable characters. Surprised the show permanently did away with these characters.
They were big name actors and they could have built a cast around them and had them carry the series. Instead - yum yum -- Old Man
When the whole story started as a hunt for a MacGuffin we all knew that it's gonna be a bunch of filler episodes which lead to a bad and unworthy finale. All the last episode will do is making "these are the voyages" come off as a masterpiece of a finale.
I was just looking up how the German word "Moll"translates to English ("minor" in music) and discovered that Moll in American English is actually a term for
1.a gangster's female companion
2. a prostitute
I wasn't aware of that.
Hm. Why is that character in discovery called Moll then? 🤔
The creativity of those writers is SO overwhelming! 🤣
BTW "Mollie" of course is a variant of Mary and as such originally means "bitter" over "beloved" in Hebrew.
Imagine that Star Trek Discovery is a person, a singer, you know, like Ol' Blue Eyes. At this moment, he approaches the microphone, stands before the audience, and sings:
And now, the end is near,
And so I face the final curtain.
My friend, I'll say it clear,
I'll state my case, of which I'm certain.
I am a rotten show,
I killed off Trek, and cried so sadly.
And more, much more than this,
I did it badly.
They did indeed do it their way. The problem is, they have no ability to know that they did it badly. I don't think that their minds are capable of processing that idea. They think they did good. It's the audience that let them down -- Old Man
25:50 Here I must "defend" the show. This is a common (idiotic) trope that you can see in many shows. Watch any Star Wars fight involving Storm Troopers and see how they are knocked out by being punched while wearing armour. 🤣
How did the translator know when to send comms only to the crew, and when to translate and say it outside the suit to the Breen? Maybe they explained it and I just don't pay as much attention because this season has been one long story with the object of interest known for half a season, and we are just waiting for the road trip to be over.
We're also wondering how the Breen didn't pick up communications to/from Discovery from the infiltration personnel-- Old Man
@@mollieandtheoldman The security is pretty bad, for military vessels on a mission of galactic importance.
This whole premise is so silly. So dangerous you can't use it and must hide it for 1000 years, but also not so dangerous that you just destroy it.
They also had a giant Stargate in SG1's last couple seasons. Also laughed at the Rain man reference.
We thought about the Ori's giant Stargate. But, IIRC, that was always built as a Stargate. The Expanse had that small-ish thing that left Venus and turned into a giant portal. -- Old Man
I just realized how big a part of my recent years ST Discovery was, and I am just sad that the show is so bad,
I stepped into a new chapter of my life when season 1 started and now when change is in the horizon its the ending, IF this show was at lest 10% as good as old Star Trek it would have edged a place in my heart, but now its nothing but a scar to be ignored and forgotten,
I would request u to cover new and old sifi shows and recomed in ur videos for us to watch,
We have done so (covering other shows), if you look at other videos on our channel. We also intend to continue to do recommending of other sci-fi/fantasy shows once this wave of new crap is done. Hang in there! -- Old Man
@@mollieandtheoldman Thank you, I am following other videos on ur channel, and I also intend to follow the sifi shows The Old Man recommended in this video, I believe the first part is available on TH-cam so I will start that series, I can't thank you guys enough how supportive your videos are, Love ur content and bye take care
Do be aware that "Space Command" is of a fan film quality - production standards wise. But it is original content (well, for a rebooted property) and their hearts seem to be in the right place. They advertise themselves as building a "hopeful future".
*My* hope is that, as the film series moves on, they get better at making them. It's watchable with a lot of potential but it is rough in some spots. -- Old Man
A funny title would have had Non in front of binary. 😅
Great video guys!
LOL. The algorithm would have had a fit. -Mollie 😉
There is always time to talk about feelings even In enemy base!
There is a scene in Firefly where Mal and Wash are tied up being tortured and while in that state they have a conversation about their personal lives. That worked as a humor contrast. But in Discovery, it's SOP -- Old Man
Without watching it, or watching this review, I get the impression things got awkward when something went in the wrong hole.
The short incognito gag is fairly long running in sci fi.
Aren't you a little short for a Stormtrooper? -- Old Man
I'm hoping for a Blake's Seven ending.
Second best outcome...
I will not miss Star Trek: Discovery on television once it's done. I disliked it when they went into the 30th Century, including how they decided to create The Burn. While I've had (and quite frankly) enough of any Trek series taking place in the Kirk-era timeframe. They could have created an awesome series. However, Kurtzman and Secret Hideout decided that creating a great series wasn't in the cards.They're quite incapable of doing so. Oh, and 25 cents is being too generous. 15 cents is more like it. 😂
And we'd only recommend purchasing it on triple coupon day -- Old Man
The one girl on the bridge was probably one of the Klingons.
Ash stowed away and has many Edgar suits -- Old Man
DEI Prevails.
MICHAEL BURNHAM!!!!! this Name
You guys know I normally have a fair bit to say. But I don't have much for this episode. I was expecting more, so I'll yap about something else. Trying to be fair, I think I have been lulled into expecting penultimate episodes to now be on par with the finale if not better. Some shows, probably mostly Game of Thrones, have conditioned me to the climax in the penultimate, and the repercussions of the big climax, in the finale. But this is the finale season, so maybe that was an unfair expectation.
They now have ONE episode to make this all worth while. Does anyone think that they're going to do that? -- Old Man
@@mollieandtheoldman No chance in hell. Discovery will be forgotten by many, and never even known about by most.
Where are the Klingons?
Oh this is gonna be a good one 😂
MMm how did the chick that book knows get to the future What is she 800 900 years old?
Pandering, it is all pandering not woke but trying to prove that they are not racist sexists but they also do a small number of episodes by comparison to the other revival shows so characters have to be ignored though I remember they did the same thing on the original series.
I disagree on the "You cant make leaders". You can learn pretty much anything, the question is how much you are willing to change. Obviously at the point when you get to leadership learning, you have all that baggage you learned before. But there is not much holding you back to change if you are willing, knowing humans don't really like to change.
The problem with Tilly's character is the writers that have no clue what consistency is, much less how to create characters with established personalities. Since the characters tend to just have personality traits and behaviours as they are needed and THAT is what makes watching this insufferable.
I was in a leadership program several years ago, and there were people who just didn't have what it took to be a leader. There was one person in particular who wanted it more than anything, but they couldn't get their panic under control. This person behaved like the Tilly character, but on steroids, and I have a feeling this person would be diagnosed today as being on a 'spectrum'. However, this person made an excellent follower, unlike Tilly.
As for the characters' inconsistent personality traits, that's been running rampant in entertainment for a while now. The writers don't care what a character did in the previous episode, let alone the previous season. Of course, it doesn't matter because that character isn't a real character. They're just a tool to advance the plot. Sloppy and lazy writing. I'm looking forward to the day when competent writing makes a comeback. -Mollie
@@mollieandtheoldman Sure there are exceptions to anything, but I'm not convinced the leader statement to be true. There are many ways to lead but some ways may be less suited in some settings, but even in strict hierarchal one can find varying styles of leadership and not necessary better or worse. As mentioned, often the main issue (bar illness or other physical hindrances) is the inability to adapt to new settings. The writers of Discovery have no clue about the setting, as such the Tilly and frankly most characters on this travesty of a show, are out of place, not just because they fail to perform their role they inhabit, but they lack professionalism, as they are most of the time performing a job.
IN my experience people that act professionally, leaders or otherwise, don't need to assert their position or question the position of others. Everyone has a job to do and any professional will add to the group by doing their job. THAT is the main issue with the writing of Discovery, they are all unprofessional, which then creates this dissonance between the characters supposed role and their actions.
Its fine to have people act out or "have a bad day", but in Discovery everyone seems to having a bad day everyday and frankly if it wasn't for plot armour they wold have been dead in episode 1, because the writers could not make them competent if their lives dependent on it.
Ketraar, I'm not talking boardroom professionalism. I'm talking battlefield leadership. These are two very different things. -Mollie
Why would the Breen use environmental suits when walking around on their own ship? Wouldn't they just make the environment comfortable for themselves and take the suits off?
Without their jello molds they'd flop to the floor as a puddle of goo? :) -- Old Man
@@mollieandtheoldmanThat makes no sense. How did they live before they invented the suits?
"That makes no sense"
Exactly -- Old Man
#TEAMVOLDEMORT. 😄
Gel aliens are how much faster?
Using Dr. Scholl's inserts, one can get to the state of Gelling like Magellan -- Old Man
Soon our Discovery misery will be over. Good riddance. Though I worry that Kurtzman will double-down on Discovery and start weaving some of it's gawd awful concepts and methods into future Trek series. Where were the Trek franchise gate keepers all this time? Fail.
Current Star Trek...2.5 hours of content stretched over 10 hours.
And all that money flushed down the toilet to do this - sad. A fraction of that could be used to make good Star Trek if they had the right people running this -- Old Man
@@mollieandtheoldman Very good point! If I owned the IP, it would be a requirement that a series or movie could only be done under a lean budget. I think this would have the effect of prioritizing the quality of the writing. This requires focus and discipline, though. I'm beginning to think that this may be a generational issue with rare exceptions these days.
@@stopgeorge Nicholas Meyer said that art thrives on restrictions. Orson Welles said, "The enemy of art is the absence of limitation." There are various psychological theories about why this appears to be true. For example, somebody said, "Creativity is what happens when a mind encounters an obstacle." [It is an intriguing topic, and it would make a great Star Trek episode.]
Six minutes into season one, episode one I could tell this show was garbage. I turned it off and never went back. NuTrek isn’t Star Trek.
Michael is overacting da fak out. If she was capable, than the show would have been at least watchable
Pure garbage show
Every time the Old Man says GiMp it made me laugh.
Those respirator pipes in the episodes before this one on both sides of the helmet looked like zippers... -- Old Man