How Gacha Games Breed Gambling Addicts

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    0:00 - Intro
    0:44 - Gacha Game - Early Gachapon
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    5:10 - Mixed Reviews
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    10:22 - Consumer Revolt
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  • @p-ll1tu
    @p-ll1tu 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    Even if you are F2P, you spend a resource more valuable than money which is time

    • @7WhiteSword
      @7WhiteSword 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      exactly, for example in honkai impact you can get a free stigmata (the game equipment), but it needs months to get it

    • @CiggySnake
      @CiggySnake  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      If you enjoy your time with F2P then it's time well spent, but these games are pretty much designed to make enjoyment sans money nigh impossible.

  • @MechaMugen
    @MechaMugen 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

    that fact that I can look back on being one of these gacha addicts with fondness shows just how comprehensive and effective these systems are at keeping you hooked. I'm not scared to admit I lost something like $800 just to one summer of playing dokkan battle a few years ago, and I could not give a fuck less about the game itself but rather the trappings of the gambling systems it utilized. They're just that engaging even after all this time.

    • @ScottieNippin
      @ScottieNippin 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      go ahead and load up

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Same for me and Witch Mercy in Overwatch, the first “just cosmetic” thing I paid real money for due to FOMO. Or specific Hearthstone character portraits (or just boosters in total over my years of playing, even though I had a “preorder only, so it’s 40% off” personal rule).

    • @comradekenobi6908
      @comradekenobi6908 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@kaitlyn__L are overwatch skins even that good? I heard new ones are just recolourings

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@comradekenobi6908 I have no idea anymore tbh. It’s been a long time since I played. I only just learned like two days ago about Overwatch 2.
      Regardless; I thought I was immune to Just Cosmetic skin pressure. Especially since all the original skins were indeed just recolours. But then Witch Mercy successfully parted me with my money.
      And one of the first Chinese New Year Mei skins as well, if I recall. So yeah. Almost a year after that, I realised I couldn’t trust myself not to be tempted anymore and had to stop playing it altogether.

  • @ricogt7092
    @ricogt7092 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

    I think im pretty much done with modern gaming stuff like gatcha and battle passes have completely turned me off. I have a big enough backlog of older games that I think I can enjoy for the rest of my life

    • @CiggySnake
      @CiggySnake  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      The trappings of modern gaming are shameful to say the least. It's just naked greed at the cost of all quality.

    • @ricogt7092
      @ricogt7092 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@CiggySnake great video as always

    • @CiggySnake
      @CiggySnake  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@ricogt7092 I'm glad you enjoyed it man

    • @boggart159
      @boggart159 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I think you just need to change the types of games you play single player games are better then ever rn

    • @john_7000
      @john_7000 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Ok boomer

  • @toanoradian
    @toanoradian 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

    14:21 "These generous and impressive features are build off of a few whales and gambling addicts!" Yes! That's it! You've put words to my feelings about even the 'fair gachas'! In the end, they are willing participants in a depraved world of psychological manipulation and addiction abuse. A few drops of spring water in a poisoned well don't make it safe to drink.
    Thank you for the video!

    • @CiggySnake
      @CiggySnake  7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I appreciate it man, thanks

  • @francesconesi7666
    @francesconesi7666 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    A friend of mine got essentially addicted to genshin, sometimes rushing home because they had to "do the daily" 😞
    Real good video by the way. Thanks a lot, man!

    • @tomatorama
      @tomatorama 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Maybe that friend just didn’t want to hang out with you. Then again, I won’t be surprised, you sound kind of judgmental

    • @karenwang313
      @karenwang313 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The dailies take like 20 minutes bro.

    • @katsuwen
      @katsuwen 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@karenwang313 it's literally 5 to 10 minutes now... with the encounter system

  • @Estoquer-ee8rb
    @Estoquer-ee8rb 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    "Nothing vast enters the life of mortals without a curse." Gacha games are a curse to the gaming industry.

    • @CiggySnake
      @CiggySnake  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Much of the gaming industry is cursed nowadays. This is but one sad, corrupt aspect thereof.

  • @tricouleur9689
    @tricouleur9689 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Agreed, the gacha games I played almost requires to no skill to play. It’s all about if you have been pulling for limited time characters. If not you’ll surely have a rough time with those events and get this limited time rewards. FOMO at its finest.
    So glad I’m losing interest in any gacha games, present or upcoming.

    • @CiggySnake
      @CiggySnake  หลายเดือนก่อน

      Those are the most predatorily designed games, where there is minimum room for skill, and success is more dependent on rolls (and thus your bank account).

  • @laurenregnier3710
    @laurenregnier3710 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thank you . I learned a lot . I see it as needless spending . 😢

    • @CiggySnake
      @CiggySnake  3 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's needless spending in the sense that entertainment can be considered needless spending; you don't need it to survive or can at least find forms of entertainment that are cheaper/free. With gachas and lootboxes however, they're just built to be highly exploitative of their player base, which is the fundamental issue. Glad you enjoyed the vid and learned something from it though, thanks.

  • @KaiMifune
    @KaiMifune 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    That's where people got trapped. The term ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO NOT SPEND MONEY.
    I've played many gachas like Brave Frontier, Langrisser, GI.
    Its not impossible to not spend money. Its about self control. Those who spend way too much is the reason why people think badly of the Genre.

    • @CiggySnake
      @CiggySnake  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      While it's not objectively impossible to not spend money in certain gachas, they typically push it to the edge of impossibility. It's a matter of self control, yes, but the games are designed to wear it down in its players.

    • @jgnogueira
      @jgnogueira 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      You are the exception, is impossible to divorce gatcha games from their natural gambling, my counterpoint to "don't spend money" is "don't create an environment where a person can overspend"

    • @KaiMifune
      @KaiMifune 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@jgnogueiraimo, i don't think so. Its a matter of self discipline, which many has lost, but not impossible. If someone says its impossible to not spend on a gacha game, that's when you know they are already addicted to the dopamine hit.
      Edit: what im contradicting is the idea that it is impossible to not spend. There are so many free to play players. Its hard yes, but anyone can do it.

    • @CiggySnake
      @CiggySnake  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      You acknowledge the difficulty of being F2P, but don't seem to acknowledge why that's the case (intentionally addictive mechanics) and why that's an issue

    • @KaiMifune
      @KaiMifune 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@CiggySnake im just saying that its not impossible to not spend. Nothing else. Please don't overthink things.

  • @GoodRock87
    @GoodRock87 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Recently, i think i'm getting addicted to Genshin impact. I've seen a lot of people cosplay as characters from the game at anime conventions and received a lot of marketing about this game ever since it was launched so i decided to try it. At first, i felt the characters were charismatic and the world was inviting. Since it's a f2p game i was playing it without spending a single penny, then recently the game showcased one character that really called my attention, so i spent money on the welkin moon blessing. Basically what this blessing does is grating you 90 primogems/day for 30 days. What i didn't know is that if you ever fail to log in any day, this day is discounted and you do not receive any primogem. So then i had to actually log in to game EVERY single day so then i could at least make my spent mony worth anything.

    • @InTheEnd75
      @InTheEnd75 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What was the character you wanted ?

    • @GoodRock87
      @GoodRock87 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@InTheEnd75 It was Furina. I was lucky to have got her though, since it was my first 50/50. However since i've lost Xianyun to Qiqi, i haven't become that enthusiastic to play Genshin.

  • @cl8804
    @cl8804 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    GOTCHA, BISH!!

  • @mommabear2544
    @mommabear2544 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    America doesnt have the same regulations for gacha as Japan does. Which is a big problem. I started looking into gacha addiction this morning after I had to remove my card from my game of choice. I spent $400 in less than a month trying to keep up in The Legend of Neverland. This game pulls in a billion US dollars each month. Not only is it a gacha game but also its heavy pvp. So FOMO plus real competition to get what you need to to level up, to again, get what you need to go against others. It is ridiculously easy to fall behind in the game if you aren't spending daily. With $400 spent in less than a month, you might think Im a whale but I am far from it, which is mind boggling to think how much an actual whale is spending

  • @kaitlyn__L
    @kaitlyn__L 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Honestly I was thinking about Warframe, Overwatch, and Hearthstone but… those at least had the ability to trade in dupes for a rare you wanted. And the latter could be played for free if you were good enough. By comparison to some of the examples in this video it seems almost tame…
    Also, I think I would way “the predation aspect is obvious” rather than “the predatory-ness is obvious” (midway through, unless I misheard). That’s just a tiny wee thing tho. You did a great job summarising the psychological tricks.
    That said, at least at the end of the day you have a cute figurine from a real gachapon machine. If you walk away from one of these games you have nothing :/ that’s even more insidious imo

    • @CiggySnake
      @CiggySnake  8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Warframe (at least when I played it five or so years ago) is one of the best games with gacha/MTX aspects, at least insofar as they actually respect their players and don't try to bleed them dry at every opportunity. I think their actual metric was something like "if it makes us feel gross we don't put it in the game." Such a metric is depressingly rare in the rest of the industry though.

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@CiggySnake I only played it a little bit (my vices were the latter two) but a partner was heavily into it and she often justified it by bringing up those various mitigations.
      Yet she still spent many hundreds of dollars on stuff she didn’t need, “only during the sales” as if that wasn’t psychology working on her. And she needed to be convinced over like a year to finally quit because she’d started to play purely for dailies once it stopped being fun anymore.
      It definitely seems like one of the _least_ overtly exploitative, deliberately addictive games in the “genre” compared to other examples you showed. But it’s quite a shame when that is the best we can hope for!

    • @CiggySnake
      @CiggySnake  8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@kaitlyn__L I feel said friend had the same sort of susceptibility to these mental tricks but had built up a sufficient barrier to prevent her from playing because she knew on a certain level these games were exploitative. Warframe was seen as just good enough to clear those barriers I suppose. Not trying to play armchair psychologist here nor presume too much about your friend, just my read from what you said here.

  • @WarioBootyHole
    @WarioBootyHole 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    8:00 Skunk Jumpscare Warning

    • @sorrymabbad
      @sorrymabbad 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Love the skunk

    • @CiggySnake
      @CiggySnake  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The precious skunk

  • @Vincent-rd4rg
    @Vincent-rd4rg 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    great video Ciggy! I love your music choice btw (just like i LOVE GAMBLING WOO)

    • @CiggySnake
      @CiggySnake  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Gamblign is so much fun everybody should go into debt to spin them slots babyyyyy

  • @user-gb1xo5it2j
    @user-gb1xo5it2j 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you Ciggy, interesting topic as usual.

  • @b2studios20
    @b2studios20 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Super well made video as usual, Ciggy

  • @clownpiece5992
    @clownpiece5992 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great video. Your channel deserves more subs and views.

    • @CiggySnake
      @CiggySnake  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks man, I appreciate the kind words. Feel free to share the vid around if you want to help out. Also good choice of 2hu.

  • @TheNess19
    @TheNess19 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    nice vid ciggy

  • @sorrymabbad
    @sorrymabbad 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Great video mate. I played some of the games shown on video, and I can say firsthand that some of them literally have burned me out, with FGO being one of the biggest. I really love the story and some of the characters are my absolute favorites in all of fiction, but the gacha itself it unbearably frustrating for me.
    That said, it always reminds of of this one guy I knew who wouldn't spend a single dime on any gacha he plays, but has shilled out thousands of dollars on CSGO, War Thunder, etc. It's a bit funny looking back on him insisting that they're different.
    I think one of the ways for these gacha games to move forward maybe with cosmetics (like limited time skins, or unique UI, etc), since they aren't as malicious and consumers won't be as apprehensive towards them.
    Anyway, keep up the great work, and keep putting bangers 👍

    • @CiggySnake
      @CiggySnake  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Hey glad you enjoyed it man, and thanks for the kind words.
      Yeah, the gambling/lottery adjacent mechanics gacha games are basically known for are gross at best. As you said there are more than a few ways to run a game that is profitable and not predatory, but these companies would much rather prioritize obscene profits over treating consumers with respect, if not dignity. I feel meaningful regulation is the only real route to improving this industry; it's seemingly the only thing that's worked in the past, and something consumers will have to advocate for going forward.

  • @hestiashearth478
    @hestiashearth478 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I spent so much money on gacha, i really needed the help. I stopped playing Genshin Impact for a year, it helped. But then, 2 gacha games from 2 famous animes got released, Black Clover and Danmachi, the gameplay sucks so bad tbh, but my gambling addiction came back. I wanted the characters so bad. It's really such awful games... I'm regretting the money I lost to it so bad.

    • @CiggySnake
      @CiggySnake  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It happens man, I'd just encourage you to cut your losses, delete the associated apps, and move on. It's really all you can do, and I'm sorry to hear you got sucked into such a system.

  • @Razoredge581
    @Razoredge581 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Good coverage on an important topic. It's crazy how these gacha games have been able to run with minimal oversight and regulation basically their entire existence.

  • @davidsabillon5182
    @davidsabillon5182 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Like commented and subscribed 👍

    • @CiggySnake
      @CiggySnake  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      A true hero

  • @ShuffleFM
    @ShuffleFM 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Common Ciggy W. The dude literally cannot miss.

    • @CiggySnake
      @CiggySnake  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ty shuff ❤️❤️❤️

  • @buncraft7130
    @buncraft7130 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Some of these games can be absolutely disgusting depending on who's behind them, a gacha by the name of "Space Leaper: Cocoon" recently shut down because the workers went on strike due to not being paid and the same company has an insanely muddy history.
    I play a lot of gacha games just for the fun and these things are very common but when there is a diamond in the rough it will shine like a sun, Punishing Gray Raven made by Kuro games is one of the only games I can recommend to people that want to try a gacha game for the first time.
    I just hope that companies would be less greedy when it comes to highly monetized genres.

  • @youngthomasyorke4074
    @youngthomasyorke4074 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Good video. What's the SMT song playing 9 mins in?

    • @CiggySnake
      @CiggySnake  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks man, glad you enjoyed it. That song is Shibuya Underground District from SMT IV, I also have a link to or full list of the music used in my vids in their descriptions.

  • @Saleaccount498
    @Saleaccount498 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Real (I’m broke because of dragon ball legends)

  • @abrahamicreligionsbowbefor3585
    @abrahamicreligionsbowbefor3585 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    was dragon collection by infinite interactive?

    • @CiggySnake
      @CiggySnake  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Konami, actually

  • @marcbob1111
    @marcbob1111 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    deserves more views

  • @whitefibre841
    @whitefibre841 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    i play touhou lost word every day i am forsaken save yourselves (raid shadow legends is the gateway gacha) good video excuse me as i go spend 4 billion ciggy cents

    • @ThatOneAnnoyingPubPlayer
      @ThatOneAnnoyingPubPlayer 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      As a lost word player myself, screw the predatory systems of the gacha game, I'm just pissed they'll release every character under the sun as a swimsuit alt or retro unit before they add a single pc-98 unit outside of extra cutscenes

    • @kaitlyn__L
      @kaitlyn__L 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Seeing Touhou characters in this was such a gut punch. A huge part of the appeal for me was always how the fan games, comics, and music rearrangements were freely shared (or very cheap) for the love of it. Seeing these characters I know depicted in the same bland corporate art style as any other gacha game, to the extent I barely recognised some of them, was really saddening.

  • @ScottieNippin
    @ScottieNippin 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    ya but i fucking love gambling

    • @CiggySnake
      @CiggySnake  10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Relatable and true

  • @nescius2
    @nescius2 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Cool video, Japanese have laws againts gambling, but this and pachinko are OK for some (yakuza) reason.

    • @CiggySnake
      @CiggySnake  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The Japanese absolutely love their gambling. In spite of it's illegality, they've figured out a number of loopholes to engage in gambling either way.

  • @user-hj8oh9kh7v
    @user-hj8oh9kh7v 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    How Gacha games create gambling addicts -🤡

  • @VORTEXPLAYXYZ
    @VORTEXPLAYXYZ 27 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thats a you problem not the game and bad parenting

    • @deathtrooper2048
      @deathtrooper2048 15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Where you saying that about loot boxes by EA and COD?

    • @VORTEXPLAYXYZ
      @VORTEXPLAYXYZ 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@deathtrooper2048 that's still a u problem the problem is how kids and adults spend money on some bs I've never spend payed a any loot boxes gacha system anything its called being irresponsible

  • @mrmeow2297
    @mrmeow2297 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    i avoid Genshin, Honkai etc.

    • @CiggySnake
      @CiggySnake  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      It's fine to play these gachas, there isn't anything intrinsically wrong with it, you just have to be smart about it. That being said, not even bothering with them is a pretty smart tactic.

  • @HouseHoldAdventures
    @HouseHoldAdventures 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Its insane how small someones brain must be to get addicted to this

    • @CiggySnake
      @CiggySnake  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      While I get where you're coming from, anybody can get addicted to anything, and addiction ruins lives. As silly as a gacha addiction may sound, the deliberate systems in gacha games meant to make them as addictive as possible are gross, and the people who end up getting addicted to them need sympathy and support.

    • @bate01071
      @bate01071 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @@CiggySnake truth. I am a relatively intelligent guy with a high paying job relative to my peers and played Genshin out of curiosity. This game latched on to a weaker part of myself. I would implore others to realize that even people that are generally intelligent and functioning in some facets of their life can be addicted to anything, including gacha.

  • @tomatorama
    @tomatorama 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Do you have something against gacha games in general? There’s a difference between being a gacha addict and playing gacha games. They are not mutually exclusive, but are different.
    Playing gacha games is just that, playing gacha. Just like how some of you play your Dota/lol/counter strike/valorant etc. in those games, you spend for skins/whatever, just like how in gacha games, one spend to get their favourite characters.
    It’s just that gacha games are variable. You might spend a variable amount of money to get a character compared to those other games where it’s guaranteed to get a skin/character if you spend a certain amount.
    Being a gacha ADDICT however, is like you spend regardless of whether you like the character or not, just like how people want to ‘collect’ skins, these addicts will spend to ‘collect’ characters. Money is of no concern to them.
    To some people, being addicted and spending lots of money is okay because they’re RICH. The only times when it is really terrible is when it affects their real life. When the money comes from their savings and not their disposable income. When it crippled their decision to make smart decisions on investing for their future. This is where it becomes severe.

    • @CiggySnake
      @CiggySnake  3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I don't have a special distaste towards gacha games or anything, I've played some gachas and was able to enjoy them for what they're worth. My primary issue is with the addictive elements intrinsic to gacha game design. You have the slot machine aspects of rolling gacha, the sunk cost fallacy which often sets in if you're trying to get a certain roll, the explicit goal from most devs of getting people hooked, and so on. I take issue with these intentionally addictive elements as they exploit the weakest among us.
      While I think it's possible for people to get "addicted" to and spend mountains of money on Fortnite and the like, in those cases you at least know exactly what you're getting. You're getting ripped off, but it begins and ends with that, they aren't trying to sink your claws into you in the same way as gacha games.

    • @7WhiteSword
      @7WhiteSword 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      your comment sounds exactly like someone who’s addicted to gacha game
      and no, being addicted is always bad whether you’re rich or poor.

  • @j3tts0n65
    @j3tts0n65 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Great video i 👍 and subbed

    • @CiggySnake
      @CiggySnake  10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I appreciate it man, glad you enjoyed it

  • @bennylittle9678
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