How Gacha Games Breed Gambling Addicts
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 พ.ค. 2024
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0:00 - Intro
0:44 - Gacha Game - Early Gachapon
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5:10 - Mixed Reviews
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10:22 - Consumer Revolt
13:51 - Parting Words
15:06 - Outro
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Even if you are F2P, you spend a resource more valuable than money which is time
exactly, for example in honkai impact you can get a free stigmata (the game equipment), but it needs months to get it
If you enjoy your time with F2P then it's time well spent, but these games are pretty much designed to make enjoyment sans money nigh impossible.
that fact that I can look back on being one of these gacha addicts with fondness shows just how comprehensive and effective these systems are at keeping you hooked. I'm not scared to admit I lost something like $800 just to one summer of playing dokkan battle a few years ago, and I could not give a fuck less about the game itself but rather the trappings of the gambling systems it utilized. They're just that engaging even after all this time.
go ahead and load up
Same for me and Witch Mercy in Overwatch, the first “just cosmetic” thing I paid real money for due to FOMO. Or specific Hearthstone character portraits (or just boosters in total over my years of playing, even though I had a “preorder only, so it’s 40% off” personal rule).
@@kaitlyn__L are overwatch skins even that good? I heard new ones are just recolourings
@@comradekenobi6908 I have no idea anymore tbh. It’s been a long time since I played. I only just learned like two days ago about Overwatch 2.
Regardless; I thought I was immune to Just Cosmetic skin pressure. Especially since all the original skins were indeed just recolours. But then Witch Mercy successfully parted me with my money.
And one of the first Chinese New Year Mei skins as well, if I recall. So yeah. Almost a year after that, I realised I couldn’t trust myself not to be tempted anymore and had to stop playing it altogether.
I think im pretty much done with modern gaming stuff like gatcha and battle passes have completely turned me off. I have a big enough backlog of older games that I think I can enjoy for the rest of my life
The trappings of modern gaming are shameful to say the least. It's just naked greed at the cost of all quality.
@@CiggySnake great video as always
@@ricogt7092 I'm glad you enjoyed it man
I think you just need to change the types of games you play single player games are better then ever rn
Ok boomer
14:21 "These generous and impressive features are build off of a few whales and gambling addicts!" Yes! That's it! You've put words to my feelings about even the 'fair gachas'! In the end, they are willing participants in a depraved world of psychological manipulation and addiction abuse. A few drops of spring water in a poisoned well don't make it safe to drink.
Thank you for the video!
I appreciate it man, thanks
A friend of mine got essentially addicted to genshin, sometimes rushing home because they had to "do the daily" 😞
Real good video by the way. Thanks a lot, man!
Maybe that friend just didn’t want to hang out with you. Then again, I won’t be surprised, you sound kind of judgmental
The dailies take like 20 minutes bro.
@@karenwang313 it's literally 5 to 10 minutes now... with the encounter system
"Nothing vast enters the life of mortals without a curse." Gacha games are a curse to the gaming industry.
Much of the gaming industry is cursed nowadays. This is but one sad, corrupt aspect thereof.
Agreed, the gacha games I played almost requires to no skill to play. It’s all about if you have been pulling for limited time characters. If not you’ll surely have a rough time with those events and get this limited time rewards. FOMO at its finest.
So glad I’m losing interest in any gacha games, present or upcoming.
Those are the most predatorily designed games, where there is minimum room for skill, and success is more dependent on rolls (and thus your bank account).
Thank you . I learned a lot . I see it as needless spending . 😢
It's needless spending in the sense that entertainment can be considered needless spending; you don't need it to survive or can at least find forms of entertainment that are cheaper/free. With gachas and lootboxes however, they're just built to be highly exploitative of their player base, which is the fundamental issue. Glad you enjoyed the vid and learned something from it though, thanks.
That's where people got trapped. The term ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO NOT SPEND MONEY.
I've played many gachas like Brave Frontier, Langrisser, GI.
Its not impossible to not spend money. Its about self control. Those who spend way too much is the reason why people think badly of the Genre.
While it's not objectively impossible to not spend money in certain gachas, they typically push it to the edge of impossibility. It's a matter of self control, yes, but the games are designed to wear it down in its players.
You are the exception, is impossible to divorce gatcha games from their natural gambling, my counterpoint to "don't spend money" is "don't create an environment where a person can overspend"
@@jgnogueiraimo, i don't think so. Its a matter of self discipline, which many has lost, but not impossible. If someone says its impossible to not spend on a gacha game, that's when you know they are already addicted to the dopamine hit.
Edit: what im contradicting is the idea that it is impossible to not spend. There are so many free to play players. Its hard yes, but anyone can do it.
You acknowledge the difficulty of being F2P, but don't seem to acknowledge why that's the case (intentionally addictive mechanics) and why that's an issue
@@CiggySnake im just saying that its not impossible to not spend. Nothing else. Please don't overthink things.
Recently, i think i'm getting addicted to Genshin impact. I've seen a lot of people cosplay as characters from the game at anime conventions and received a lot of marketing about this game ever since it was launched so i decided to try it. At first, i felt the characters were charismatic and the world was inviting. Since it's a f2p game i was playing it without spending a single penny, then recently the game showcased one character that really called my attention, so i spent money on the welkin moon blessing. Basically what this blessing does is grating you 90 primogems/day for 30 days. What i didn't know is that if you ever fail to log in any day, this day is discounted and you do not receive any primogem. So then i had to actually log in to game EVERY single day so then i could at least make my spent mony worth anything.
What was the character you wanted ?
@@InTheEnd75 It was Furina. I was lucky to have got her though, since it was my first 50/50. However since i've lost Xianyun to Qiqi, i haven't become that enthusiastic to play Genshin.
GOTCHA, BISH!!
America doesnt have the same regulations for gacha as Japan does. Which is a big problem. I started looking into gacha addiction this morning after I had to remove my card from my game of choice. I spent $400 in less than a month trying to keep up in The Legend of Neverland. This game pulls in a billion US dollars each month. Not only is it a gacha game but also its heavy pvp. So FOMO plus real competition to get what you need to to level up, to again, get what you need to go against others. It is ridiculously easy to fall behind in the game if you aren't spending daily. With $400 spent in less than a month, you might think Im a whale but I am far from it, which is mind boggling to think how much an actual whale is spending
Honestly I was thinking about Warframe, Overwatch, and Hearthstone but… those at least had the ability to trade in dupes for a rare you wanted. And the latter could be played for free if you were good enough. By comparison to some of the examples in this video it seems almost tame…
Also, I think I would way “the predation aspect is obvious” rather than “the predatory-ness is obvious” (midway through, unless I misheard). That’s just a tiny wee thing tho. You did a great job summarising the psychological tricks.
That said, at least at the end of the day you have a cute figurine from a real gachapon machine. If you walk away from one of these games you have nothing :/ that’s even more insidious imo
Warframe (at least when I played it five or so years ago) is one of the best games with gacha/MTX aspects, at least insofar as they actually respect their players and don't try to bleed them dry at every opportunity. I think their actual metric was something like "if it makes us feel gross we don't put it in the game." Such a metric is depressingly rare in the rest of the industry though.
@@CiggySnake I only played it a little bit (my vices were the latter two) but a partner was heavily into it and she often justified it by bringing up those various mitigations.
Yet she still spent many hundreds of dollars on stuff she didn’t need, “only during the sales” as if that wasn’t psychology working on her. And she needed to be convinced over like a year to finally quit because she’d started to play purely for dailies once it stopped being fun anymore.
It definitely seems like one of the _least_ overtly exploitative, deliberately addictive games in the “genre” compared to other examples you showed. But it’s quite a shame when that is the best we can hope for!
@@kaitlyn__L I feel said friend had the same sort of susceptibility to these mental tricks but had built up a sufficient barrier to prevent her from playing because she knew on a certain level these games were exploitative. Warframe was seen as just good enough to clear those barriers I suppose. Not trying to play armchair psychologist here nor presume too much about your friend, just my read from what you said here.
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great video Ciggy! I love your music choice btw (just like i LOVE GAMBLING WOO)
Gamblign is so much fun everybody should go into debt to spin them slots babyyyyy
Thank you Ciggy, interesting topic as usual.
Super well made video as usual, Ciggy
Great video. Your channel deserves more subs and views.
Thanks man, I appreciate the kind words. Feel free to share the vid around if you want to help out. Also good choice of 2hu.
nice vid ciggy
Great video mate. I played some of the games shown on video, and I can say firsthand that some of them literally have burned me out, with FGO being one of the biggest. I really love the story and some of the characters are my absolute favorites in all of fiction, but the gacha itself it unbearably frustrating for me.
That said, it always reminds of of this one guy I knew who wouldn't spend a single dime on any gacha he plays, but has shilled out thousands of dollars on CSGO, War Thunder, etc. It's a bit funny looking back on him insisting that they're different.
I think one of the ways for these gacha games to move forward maybe with cosmetics (like limited time skins, or unique UI, etc), since they aren't as malicious and consumers won't be as apprehensive towards them.
Anyway, keep up the great work, and keep putting bangers 👍
Hey glad you enjoyed it man, and thanks for the kind words.
Yeah, the gambling/lottery adjacent mechanics gacha games are basically known for are gross at best. As you said there are more than a few ways to run a game that is profitable and not predatory, but these companies would much rather prioritize obscene profits over treating consumers with respect, if not dignity. I feel meaningful regulation is the only real route to improving this industry; it's seemingly the only thing that's worked in the past, and something consumers will have to advocate for going forward.
I spent so much money on gacha, i really needed the help. I stopped playing Genshin Impact for a year, it helped. But then, 2 gacha games from 2 famous animes got released, Black Clover and Danmachi, the gameplay sucks so bad tbh, but my gambling addiction came back. I wanted the characters so bad. It's really such awful games... I'm regretting the money I lost to it so bad.
It happens man, I'd just encourage you to cut your losses, delete the associated apps, and move on. It's really all you can do, and I'm sorry to hear you got sucked into such a system.
Good coverage on an important topic. It's crazy how these gacha games have been able to run with minimal oversight and regulation basically their entire existence.
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Common Ciggy W. The dude literally cannot miss.
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Some of these games can be absolutely disgusting depending on who's behind them, a gacha by the name of "Space Leaper: Cocoon" recently shut down because the workers went on strike due to not being paid and the same company has an insanely muddy history.
I play a lot of gacha games just for the fun and these things are very common but when there is a diamond in the rough it will shine like a sun, Punishing Gray Raven made by Kuro games is one of the only games I can recommend to people that want to try a gacha game for the first time.
I just hope that companies would be less greedy when it comes to highly monetized genres.
Good video. What's the SMT song playing 9 mins in?
Thanks man, glad you enjoyed it. That song is Shibuya Underground District from SMT IV, I also have a link to or full list of the music used in my vids in their descriptions.
Real (I’m broke because of dragon ball legends)
was dragon collection by infinite interactive?
Konami, actually
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i play touhou lost word every day i am forsaken save yourselves (raid shadow legends is the gateway gacha) good video excuse me as i go spend 4 billion ciggy cents
As a lost word player myself, screw the predatory systems of the gacha game, I'm just pissed they'll release every character under the sun as a swimsuit alt or retro unit before they add a single pc-98 unit outside of extra cutscenes
Seeing Touhou characters in this was such a gut punch. A huge part of the appeal for me was always how the fan games, comics, and music rearrangements were freely shared (or very cheap) for the love of it. Seeing these characters I know depicted in the same bland corporate art style as any other gacha game, to the extent I barely recognised some of them, was really saddening.
ya but i fucking love gambling
Relatable and true
Cool video, Japanese have laws againts gambling, but this and pachinko are OK for some (yakuza) reason.
The Japanese absolutely love their gambling. In spite of it's illegality, they've figured out a number of loopholes to engage in gambling either way.
How Gacha games create gambling addicts -🤡
Thats a you problem not the game and bad parenting
Where you saying that about loot boxes by EA and COD?
@@deathtrooper2048 that's still a u problem the problem is how kids and adults spend money on some bs I've never spend payed a any loot boxes gacha system anything its called being irresponsible
i avoid Genshin, Honkai etc.
It's fine to play these gachas, there isn't anything intrinsically wrong with it, you just have to be smart about it. That being said, not even bothering with them is a pretty smart tactic.
Its insane how small someones brain must be to get addicted to this
While I get where you're coming from, anybody can get addicted to anything, and addiction ruins lives. As silly as a gacha addiction may sound, the deliberate systems in gacha games meant to make them as addictive as possible are gross, and the people who end up getting addicted to them need sympathy and support.
@@CiggySnake truth. I am a relatively intelligent guy with a high paying job relative to my peers and played Genshin out of curiosity. This game latched on to a weaker part of myself. I would implore others to realize that even people that are generally intelligent and functioning in some facets of their life can be addicted to anything, including gacha.
Do you have something against gacha games in general? There’s a difference between being a gacha addict and playing gacha games. They are not mutually exclusive, but are different.
Playing gacha games is just that, playing gacha. Just like how some of you play your Dota/lol/counter strike/valorant etc. in those games, you spend for skins/whatever, just like how in gacha games, one spend to get their favourite characters.
It’s just that gacha games are variable. You might spend a variable amount of money to get a character compared to those other games where it’s guaranteed to get a skin/character if you spend a certain amount.
Being a gacha ADDICT however, is like you spend regardless of whether you like the character or not, just like how people want to ‘collect’ skins, these addicts will spend to ‘collect’ characters. Money is of no concern to them.
To some people, being addicted and spending lots of money is okay because they’re RICH. The only times when it is really terrible is when it affects their real life. When the money comes from their savings and not their disposable income. When it crippled their decision to make smart decisions on investing for their future. This is where it becomes severe.
I don't have a special distaste towards gacha games or anything, I've played some gachas and was able to enjoy them for what they're worth. My primary issue is with the addictive elements intrinsic to gacha game design. You have the slot machine aspects of rolling gacha, the sunk cost fallacy which often sets in if you're trying to get a certain roll, the explicit goal from most devs of getting people hooked, and so on. I take issue with these intentionally addictive elements as they exploit the weakest among us.
While I think it's possible for people to get "addicted" to and spend mountains of money on Fortnite and the like, in those cases you at least know exactly what you're getting. You're getting ripped off, but it begins and ends with that, they aren't trying to sink your claws into you in the same way as gacha games.
your comment sounds exactly like someone who’s addicted to gacha game
and no, being addicted is always bad whether you’re rich or poor.
Great video i 👍 and subbed
I appreciate it man, glad you enjoyed it
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