Damn I forgot to use this example! In regards to Male vs Female designs, compare the Male and Female Main characters from Wuthering Waves. The guy looks like the most milk toast generic anime MC ever created. And the Female MC actually has a distinct design that stands out. Of course its subjective weather or not the designs are good, its up to your personal taste to decide.
Saying this with ZZZ pfp is wild! At least wuwa's mc has actual fun and engaging gameplay compared to whatever you think is "creative" This is pure bias and a L take
@@denji4740 I actually don't like the MCs from Zenless. But they're also weird kinda self insert NPCs and not playable in the normal sense, so I didn't bring them up. I also don't think the Male MC from Wuthering is bad, just generic, or milk toast as I put it. The dichotomy between the Male and Fem MCs is really funny to me tho which is why I brought it up. Edit: Also I was talking purely about design and not gameplay. Havoc Rover is really fun, but that has nothing to do with my comment.
@@denji4740 at least wuwa mc is swag and cool enough to have a boss aura dedicated for him, also Jiyan, Mortefi, GeShu Lin, Scar, Aalto, and more, my god this guy is such a fucking joke. the only thing why Male character dont sell well is because lack of real coolness, swag, the aura which girl even fallen over with in otome game, also a male character has to give not 'generic' feeling, but feel like cool, that associate with you.
@@bladimirvideos Calcharo and Xiangling exist they might as well be the mc’s since there both free Yao xiangling is free from the event, and Calcharo technically since there were two standard char selectors, if a player cared about male characters ofc they would chose him or Tiger boi… The male character roster isn’t completely dead so why spread misinformation like this also Jiyan is pretty cool too. You should start off with ZZZ or other games when it comes to criticism because it will sound like your nitpicking because it’s hoyo’s competition…
@@bladimirvideos What did Kuro do to you? If you like male characters be happy you can get them for free and save for scar and genshulin…I wish I got shore keeper free
If there's something like a 4-1 ratio of female to male characters, then waifu collectors will need to pay to get them all, while husbando collectors likely won't need to break f2p status. This alone pretty much guarantees that male banners will do worse.
I started playing Honkai Star Rail in 1.6. I was able to get every single new limited 5 star male character without spending a dime on the game and even then some like eidolons, lightcones, and even some female characters (Black Swan and Feixiao). This is 100% true. There is no reason for female players to spend or spend a lot when they can just get all the male characters they want for free.
true, waifu collector here that played genshin impact, the constant release of male characters during the sumeru versions kept me away from spending any money which i normally do. and the primogems i saved during that period last til like half way into fontaine around 4.3 which i ran out and start spending again.
Starrail is perfectly balanced as long as you don't count loli trash as "female characters" because if you consider 12 year old girls to be women then there's something wrong with your brain. The number of adult men in STAR Rail is 2 times the number of adult women and we need more adult women for balance.
@@GrimlyVeiledjust say male character collectors because not all female gacha players only want male characters there are plenty of female waifs collectors and male husbando collectors.
You forgot the NTR problem. Asian players will demolish gamedevs to the ground if a male character ever dares to get close to someone's waifu, which is something reasonably within the realm of possibility if the game has any male character at all
Its such a strange thing, i may absolutely love my waifus and im definitely scitzo for them but how deranged do you gotta be to think you can be ntr'd by pixels?
@@phosspatharios9680 honestly the NTR topic deserves its own dedicated video. With how deep that rabbit hole goes I could make an entire movie length video if I wanted to lol. I might do that at some point, could be an interesting topic to discuss.
@@obsidianstar9089 NTR is short for Netorare, a Japanese word that basically means cheating. A lot of players get attached to female characters to the point where they delude themselves into thinking they are in a relationship with them. So when a male characters has literally any type of interaction with a women these players get mad cause the women is "cheating" on them. It's honestly really sad to see.
These games (mostly Mihoyo) seem to actively sabotage male characters in favour of the female ones in terms of banner order, reruns and such. If I remember correctly Jingyuan from HSR is actually the most popular character, with Dan Heng IL being one of the most retweeted drip markets and now Sunday's reveal is trending and has overtaken Dan Heng. I think people absolutely love male characters who are done well but it's so infrequent. Genshin Impact has Wriothesley who based on banner sales you'd think is unpopular (but people absolutely love him). He hasn't had a rerun in over a year and his debut sales were bad because of the other characters people wanted to save for (and Cryo being terrible in the meta). At least husbandos are easier to go f2p. If they stopped screwing over male characters maybe they'd actually realise there's a good market there? Are the waifu enjoyers not yet broke? Not yet bored? Why pull for Acheron and Feixiao and Firefly and Robin and Ruan Mei when a month later the next meta waifu is revealed?
Ikr. Look at every break related supports, fire. The upcoming break support, Fugue, fire. Who will benefit the most? I don't know, Boothill? Rappa? Oh no! It's HSR's all time favorite! Firefly! They freaking made an entire fire roster just for her. You usually don't get the same elements and paths back to back together. Too unusual. Gallagher, Fire Abundance, just came out and suddenly there is a Lingsha, Fire Abundance??? Jiaoqiu, Fire Nihility, even if he isn't perfect break support, he can easily apply vulnerability and reduce fire toughness, now there is another Fire Nihility??? Blatant favoritism, now with all the break supports being fire, they wouldn't release any break related supports soon, which means no PHYSICAL BREAK support for Boothill. Firefly doesn't need 150% weakness efficiency, when she have the entire roster for her.
in genshin a lot of male characters are the ones who have the most character development/screentime: kazuha, xiao, scaramouche, neuvilette, kaveh, childe, dain, it is certainly not as bad as it is in hsr, especially that xiao got like 2 supports for himself, and neuvi being the best dps in the game that got buffed with xilonen just now
@@raywa5821 I honestly do not know why the fuq everything became so cheesy once firefly appeared in the story, making everything turned into a shitstorm, but people wouldn't mind as long as they make firefly one of the most broken characters Shit character & plot + OP kit = good $$$
@@onedayiwillbegone2366 ikr? They literally degraded the trailblazer to a 100% memelord hypocrite that drools over FF from the get go (unearned) but is SuSpiCioUs of all other Stellaron Hunters and still hates Sampo for some reason even though the guy literally saved them and helped save Belobog and all his ''horrible crimes'' amount to some silly scams (vs FF/SAM who's known to be ruthless mind you) I honestly would've loved if they did something that's actually interesting with FF because she does have potential, but in the end she ended up being just another no substance waifu.
Starrail is perfectly balanced as long as you don't count loli trash as "female characters" because if you consider 12 year old girls to be women then there's something wrong with your brain. The number of adult men in STAR Rail is 2 times the number of adult women and we need more adult women like Himeko for balance. I'm starving in Starrail. I have no one to pull, because of your Husbando. I need grown women, not children or men
I’m holding out hope that Sunday from HSR will start a huge change. I haven’t looked at exact statistics, but just looking around different social medias shows you that people are HYPED for this man. If Sunday’s banner proves lucrative, this may be the start of something more diverse
@@yaelz6043 I don't understand why developers who have dreamed of making anime boys won't just give up female characters? Back in HI3 they dreamed of adding male characters, but the players didn’t allow them. In Genshin they did their best and made Genshin the number 1 anime boys game, but they still want to sell female characters too
His social media likes are nothing compared to firefly in china or jp, and raiden has less likes than heizou so social media likes are nothing anyways. He will sell very well, but def not more than acheron or firefly.
My only issue with waifu/husbando gachas is that despite how insane people are about "ntr", the games don't even lean at all into relationship mechanics with the characters, at most you get a water thin affection or friendship system, yet everyone goes crazy when male characters exist. As always the loud and vocal weirdos set the tone for everyone else...
Neuvillette is a great example of how to do a male character right. Amazing design, likeable character, great marketing, huge story significance, absurdly powerful. And his banner sold really, really well.
Don't lie neuvillette banner didn't sell well, it was his next rerun when people realised how broken is he then they start pulling him, even with that tho his banner still sold atl "average " at best
I remember an art competion in epic seven where a male art ended up winning and the whole community start hating on the artist and try to cancel his prize, the devs ended up disqualifying the artist for a stupid reason and he give up on making arts for the game.
Quite ironic for a game like FGO, widely known to genderswap its characters for whatever reason because "waifu", to be respectful of the male characters they produce. You're talking about Oberon from a story standpoint, but know also that he's one of the best supports in the game given how crazy powerful he can make other characters.
I still find myself wishing less males were genderbent but I do appreciate the ones we get. The most recent one Huang Feihu is pretty likeable in my opinion. Plus, Tametomo scratches the mech suit itch for me the way Firefly does.
FGO has great men, but let's not pretend like the game does not have it's own issues with men. They don't have swimsuit variants( only costumes), they suffer from getting drop rates( Arjuna alter took 2 years originally and Iskandar took 4 to get one after the zero re-run) in comparasion to the girls that get a re-run once a year at least and their releases can dwindle by extreme ammounts at times....you mentioned Oberon, well here is a neat fact for you, the year he came out only had 4 men( Oberon included) released in the WHOLE YEAR...this year in JP much of the same with only 5 currently.
@@firestarsantos7467 I thought Arjuna Alter not getting a re-run for a long time was because he's so busted? But I'm happy that I got him earlier this year in JP when he got a re-run, never know when another one will pop up.
@@firestarsantos7467 yeah, but when they do made males, they are mostly awesome. The females however even though they are much more then the males, they mostly hit or miss in term of characterization.
(I am male) I like to play the game from third-person perspective so I dislike the terms waifus and husbandos both. I want characters to have meaningful relations with others of the cast and not always salivate over the mc. I get one or two characters but everyone loves the mc? Hate that.
I don't "hate" what you mention exactly, but it's really strange how often that seems to happens. Like, surely some of the female characters in Nikke should be going crazy over Anderson or Mustang? Not just the MC Commander?
@@NeoSaturos123 I think it's also to mean that the avatar meant to be a self-insert is also somewhat treated as a "character". I also use such a point of view, where I somehow dissociate myself from even the self-insert because I'm unable to imagine myself inserted in the story. In my case, it's more like me creating a self-insert OC in the story than actually putting myself
i don't get why star rail is so scared to release screwllum as a playable character when it's proven that in zzz, someone like von lycaon can sell well
@@lillyie I remember when the game came out my original plan was to save for Kafka and Screllun, cause I thought hed release in year one. A year and a half later and he's nowhere to be seen 😭
He was supposed to be in 1.6 but Ratio ended up replacing his banner according to leaks And as for now, he isn't a major story character but Hoyo already planned big plot with him digging Rubert's tomb
I genuinely think that Boothill is going to have a bigger role later on in the story, his insane backstory with the ipc tells me that at some point he's going to have a big role with something to do with that, they can't cook so hard with a backstory and not do something with it later, that plus the fact he's been appearing more (wardance event and 2.6) I feel like they're trying to make him feel mysterious but also trying to get us to like him for when his arc starts This isn't copium I swear I SWEAR PLEASE PLESASSSEKIEKEMMD PLEAAASSESEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ILL KILL MYSELF IF THEY FORGET ABOUT HIM 😭
No I get it, I also geniunely think he's going to be a bigger part of the story once the IPC get even more relevant probably when Oswaldo finally shows up is when Boothill will shine the most since that is the person he's after
@@Random_Hooman I NEED MORE OF HIM SO BAD THEY SAY SUNDAY FANS SUFFER THE MOST BUT HE HAD A WHOLE ARC AND THEN SOME, US BOOTHILL FANS ARE STUCK WITH CRUMBS 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
By the way, it’s funny that she is so concerned about Husbando, who earned nothing, and at the same time they cast aside Acheron, who earned 100 million for them. Acheron should be the main character of the game, judging by her earnings
I love Star Rail, but I'd like some more male characters with story and decent designs. I kinda quit Zenless because the water balloon jiggle physics was distracting. By "distracting" I don't mean it in an aroused way. Like, you wanna tell a story but here comes skintight water balloons! Sexy character design is fine, great even, but there is a point to which it just becomes discount softcore.
Same in Wuwa. Their tights and chest jiggles like a entire body is just like waterbaloons. I quit playing, because only characters I could play were male Rover, 5 star standart military male (forgot his name), Verina and 4 star mad scientist. And the game kept freezing 10-20 seconds. And Shorekeeper has a worst design, she literally walks around in her lingerie lazy to change apropriate clothes. Girl, you are in apolicyse era, not in a strip club.
@@anetepaulakrinicka7830 We left the Apocalypse long ago when they rewrote the story. We just so happen to be in an Apocalypse. Also. To make things worst Storekeeper isn't even Human. Just a Guardian that Rover Made in his past life. Which is also in love with him. I love my Wife. 💕
Recipe to ruin a great female design is to overdo it. In Wuwa there are some fantastic designs like Jinhsi and Camellya, but do I need to see Yinlin's bouncing fruit baskets in my face every time I do her ultimate? Nah. ZZZ kind of offended me when I saw Yanagi for the first time. Like, come on! She would have looked just fine had you toned it down a bit (like Nicole pre-release) but we gotta make money somehow, I guess.
Another problem is Dottore is hated, but Ruan Mei is loved by fandom. They both are written as mad scientists with cruel experiments. I swear, if you simp/like Dottore, people gonna send death treats and harass you for liking him. But on Ruan Mei, no, because she is a waifu. I swear, if Dottore was a woman, people would forgive just like how they forgive on Ei for turning Inazuma into torture over 500 years.
Ruan Mei is functionally lovable and even waifu-able if you completely ignore her character story and only focus on everything else about her. She has a pretty lady design, she's a genius whose rare buff in Simulated Universe turns the game so in your favor it is laughable, and is a support who boosts the damage your team does and helps suppress enemy actions in a turn-based game where each side gets to have actions. But all of that belies the fact that she is an emotionless bitch who does not love or have empathy for the things she creates, and uses you the player to clean up a mess that she started which incidentally is one of the weekly bosses of the game, a replica of GIANT SPACE DEATH BEETLE THAT CLONES ITSELF. Do note, all of the favorable descriptive stuff I mentioned about her was stuff that players were being drip fed about her up until her release, so the image of Ruan Mei being a cool beauty genius was already sculpted in their head before the story came in to kick that pedestal down. And while there are people who still choose to brush over the rather unsavory parts about Ruan Mei, her place within the fandom is as of current "potential threat upon the cosmos, but she's still meta support", so people will still find a way to end up pulling for her (myself included).
I've seen people hate Ruan Mei as well, probably not to the extent like sending death threats like you said though (Genshin players are crazy). I personally like both of them as characters because morally grey characters like them are rarer in both of their games: its refreshing from the happy go lucky characters.
Really? Cuz from what I've seen, it's usually the opposite as I see many people either defend or whitewash his crimes just cuz he's hot (and I should know cuz Collei is my favorite character in the game)
@@KrofisPlays Yeah it’s so ironic. Ruan Mei is one of Firefly’s best teammates in gameplay but if they met in story and Firefly found out about what she did, she would beyond HATE her and burn her to ashes. Agree completely. I did pull for her but only behave she’s pretty much necessary for break teams.
I agree with the video but I would suggest Star Rail slowly gets better with the male designs. Boothill got some crazy metal body, and Dr. Ratio has a cool outfit inspired with ancient greece. I think its just going to be better. Gallagher is also original in my opinion because he has that restaurant/bar worker uniform thing going on. Most men still are kinda boring, but i want to give credit where its deserved. Especially with Dr. Ratio because hes very simple, but stands out regardless.
@@bulat9331 What do 99% of men wear IRL. Do you want them to wear short-shorts, yukata and Chiitan costumes? Ain't gonna happen, especially because people hate on any male design that deviates from gender norms and traditions (like Lyney from Genshin Impact)
and Boothill was actually pretty damn important in the story, without him the finale of Penacony could not have happened. Boothill is a male character done right.
@@shib9164 I mean.. hsr is literally in space? why all the characters are just humans or humans with some animal features.. like.. where is the imagination? also Luofu female characters are basically just same dresses with different colours. Male characters seem to buy their pants from same shop too. female characters its either Luofu dress or short shorts. They all look good but I think it getting little repetitve. Even the new female general didnt wear actual pants lol. like cmoooon
@@mimik2829 I feel like this is done in retaliation to all the waifu-addicted people who act like male characters shouldn't be in the game. We've been hurt before by games such as HI3 so if it means we go to war to defend the existence of husbandos then I'd say it's justified. If the male character enjoyers got treated better then there'd be no reason to hate on the waifus.
Recently Honkai Star Rail released the drip marketing for Sunday, and it got more engagement on social media than even Firefly's drip marketing back in the day, which is utterly UNBELIEVABLE. If this engagement turns into banner sales, we might have a husbando actually OUTSELL a waifu in a gacha game. Hoyoverse would make history.
I've never interacted with HSR but MAN I knew more about Sunday and didn't even know Firefly was a Hoyo character until I saw like a few mentions of her online
The same thing happened with Itto in Genshin. His engagement on Twitter was way higher than Raiden. His sales didn't come anywhere near his. The problem with social media engagement is its dominated by women, and it doesn't translate into profits
To quote what Twins Iink said once , the majority of the male characters from gacha are often your favorite taste of butter , there's nothing differing from the standart formula and that can be said about not only about design but also from a story perspective , they're mostly just there , the devs don't give them as much attention as the female characters and their designs dont stand out cuz they're so similar one to another , so far i think FGO is literally the one gacha with equal more treatment between the two genders of characters and ironically that game IS a waifu game , with all the common raunchness you would expect from it
To Love and Deepspace: Yes! China players in cases of Honkai Impact 3rd DO despise men, but in that case we're talking about waifu collecting gooners. Love and Deepspace however, IS a Chinese game. And Hoyo DOES have a successful otome targeted at women called Tears pf Themis. Sadly, it's not well known with most people who play games like Star Rail. A LOT of really high earning Gachas in China are in fact dating sims targeted at woman, such as Love and Deepspace, TOT but also titles like Light and Night (Only available in China) or Mr Love, etc. Chinese women go crazy for men. I'm not gonna be surprised when even more Chinese otome titles targeted at woman will spread into the west in the coming years Anyways, I have Boothill and he's hot. Save a horse, ride a cowboy.
@@SeiichirouUta First and foremost, you say "I don't want to play Otome" then why are you here complaining about an otome that isn't even targeted at players like you? TOT is a classic Otome. Nearly every other otome both in and outside of China is like the way you descibed. If you wanna run around and take screenshots, play Genshin.If the gaming format is not your style, don't blame the game. I've been playing TOT consistently for 3 years now, even though I take regular breaks with other Hoyo games. I've spent more money on TOT than on Genshin. The boys are well written, there's beautiful art and the updates regularly strive to have TOT keep up with new otomes. So yes, Mihoyo DOES make games specifically targeted at women and they care about these boys (see: literally all the merch and the boys being presented at the MHY hq in Shanghai with other characters). Just because you don't like the game, doesn't mean it's shit.
@@SeiichirouUta hoyo games are mostly story driven and so is thears of themis, sorry if u dotn enjoy the story for what is it (personally think its rather good) then theres nothing to look in there for u, its a good side game (if u ignore events) as in u do dailies and log out
love and deep space should be called the most stingy game in history, as a player myslef i am getting more and more tired, thanks game for the 10 limited pulls to pull on a character i dont want or for it to completly go to waste, bc u cannot give crystals as a reward so people could save right
@@raywa5821 well I guess it IS a tactic to get people to pull on current banners, but at the same time it's better than most other gacha games who give you absolutely nothing ig 💀😭
@@SeiichirouUta huh bro "So please stop putting words where I didn't write them." you said you don't want to play otomes but you then complained about it having all aspects of being an otome knowing it's an otome but also that it's boring. Calling a game boring and saying the devs don't care about malecharacters equals to me, that you're calling it shit lmao Also it's sadly just our reality that most action based games are targeted at men, while romance games are targeted at women. I, too, hope this would change, but seeing how much Asian women are spending on otomes, it's quite unlikely lol While I don't know anything about game coding, I never got the impression for it to be cheap. What do you find cheap about it?
In Korea and especially in China there literally thousands of game fans are protesting many gacha games when they trying to add male characters. Sometimes it ends with threats and real life harassment or attacks, with review bombing, etc. And those markets are usually biggest for Gacha games of new era (as previously most gacha games were Japan-only or Japan+Global).
It looks like there are lots of incels in Korea and China on the news lately protesting and complaining about all sorts of issues to do with women, so I wouldn't be surprised if this sexist ideology is contributing to the current gacha market too.
Not a Husbando enjoyer by any means, but disparity in characters designs can lead to games looking stagnant, at least from a visual standpoint. and like you said, if that's what the design team wants and that's their vision that is a 100% okay, but dammit when the majority of devs all seems to share the same vision with 0 variety, something has clearly gone amiss
This is so true. Azure Lane is a successful waifu game bc it's true to its marketing. But when a gacha game aims to cater to a wider audience by introducing both male and female characters, they shouldn't betray expectations of one portion of the fanbase in favor of the other.
I'm someone who enjoys both waifus and husbandos, but admittedly I prefer male designs and characters (i'm a seriously deranged otome enjoyer and have played a myriad of dating sims LaDS included). I'm f2p, so perhaps my voice isn't going to be as large as those who can use money to turn the tide, but I completely agree. Plenty of men hating male players had yelled at Kurogames to stop making male characters (in regards to both WuWa and PGR). Which I think Kurogames does pretty well with Male character design and story. I don't get why we can't have both male and female characters be equally treated. It's not like women dislike waifus. In fact, women LOVE waifus. Most women ARE the ones drawing those waifus that male players swear by. So I don't understand why women can't ALSO have husbandos when gachas like PGR/WuWa, HSR, GI, etc. literally PROMOTE the fact they provide both. I'm ngl, sure Hoyo did make Tears of Themis, but ToT is nowhere as successful as LaDS, and even in an otome gacha game meant to target the audience they're neglecting, the main guys aren't even mind blowingly hot or well written at some points. I wish gachas were like before. Other than Brave Frontier, there were other gachas i enjoyed, like Unison League, Puzzles and Dragons, Kings Raid, and more, that had a good amount of high quality male designs and stories. The only few games that I know with comparable male-female ratios that persist today would be Epic 7 and Arknights, both games I have a bit of a love/hate relationship with, not because of the characters provided, but because they're way too grindy. PGR, HSR, WuWa, etc are in a position where they can capitalize on the husbando market, specifically BECAUSE it isn't as grind heavy and very casual-friendly. Again, to end this off, I'm the kind of sick degenerate who's into both waifus and husbandos and prefer gachas only to pull for them over whether their meta or not, but I'd definitely like to see my husbandos get the same treatment as my waifus in terms of technical kits, story, and design. (side note: I'm such the opposite of you, Bladimir. I'm a sucker for suits. But you are right in saying there's too many.)
The day an actual gacha masc character gets a slvtty outfit but with a buff bear body model is the day I can happily break my f2p record. Let the men be sltty too gacha developers!
@LilySiti not only slvtty, but equal romance and lore writing that females get please. Firefly got a very wholesome and heavily romanced scene with MC in HSR. Same with Yinlin, Shorekeeper, and now the new resonator coming out. All of them have very clear romantic or sexual interest in MC in WuWa. None of the men even get close to the mc in wuwa, but a heartfelt talk between Jiyan. I feel like that's another reason why men fail in banners, they practically give everyone bare bone reason to be attached to them in those regards. I think that's why sunday is doing so well, people like his character not just his design.
as someone who is Bisexual and heavily lean to female characters, the lack of male character pulls me out of the lore or story because it feels to unrealistic to my taste. not that its impossible for world to have more females than males but the near lack of male pale presence make the world feel artificial to me. Its even ruin some of the harem fantasy, the girls don't like me or the male avatar because they developed the bond, but because their the only character they can form a bond with. Its like the choose one trope but to an absurd degree. Its why i have more respect for dating sims games. Majority of the time the female cast is indifferent tot he male character till time and eventual bond is made. Its still a fantasy so don't get me wrong but its at least doesn't take my suspension of disbelief and strangle hold it.
This is sort of a mood, but I'm also someone who actually just can't identify with explicit player inserts and would rather see them as distinct characters. I think I'm just interested in character interactions amongst each other more.
I agree with this. It feels so weird to approach a world where the gender ratio doesn't make sense. Like the Sons of Calydon in Zenless Zone Zero is 2 little girls, 2 older girls and 1 cool guy in the gang. Gangs (from what I know) dont' really function like that and it just seems weird to have a single guy just be there in what is essentially just a girl gang. I feel like it should be more balanced with gender or it should just be one gender to really give the impression that it is a girl biker gang, not a girl biker gang + 1 guy they found. Also in lots of the promotional material the guy (Lighter) is just not included at all so it feels even more like he's intruding on a sisterhood. Maybe that allows the waifu-enjoyers to just pretend he's not there? idk
@@InfinitySevens your not alone. If want delt insert fantasy then I rather play RPG game where I make the character or dating sim. Otherwise let the world be its own thing and not players play ground.
I thinks it's because of the lack of design modern male gacha game characters (twink/pretty boy) and perhaps even the lore also personality. I've been playing FGO NA and JP, people still want male characters regardless you're a waifu enjoyer. Honestly it's because modern gacha players are allergic and companies like hoyo doesn't know how write good male characters. In FGO, people was hyped when Super Orion, Oberon, Constantine IX, Charlemagne, etc when they were first released. This whole thing only applies to newer gacha fandom, the old ones doesn't have this issue. Edit: Just Finished the video, glory to Destiny Child
@@novaaltreaz7307 Old fandoms were a lot more chill about the gender thing. Next banner is a girl? Cool, are they cute/hot? Oh next is a guy? Cool, are they cool/handsome? And yeah writing for modern male characters is a massive problem. Most games don't even try anymore. Destiny Child my beloved, you will be missed ❤️
Well Hoyo does know how to write good male characters. They did it in HI3.. tho the male characters were never playable and will never be playable but still.
I never cared for Firefly. I was mostly interested in the "mystery" of Penacony until she's got in the way and sidetracked the whole thing. I knew Hoyo was making a big deal about her and Acheron which I didn't give a shit about but they were pushing them down my throat. Ultimately Penacony "mystery" was a letdown and the the only 2 characters they cared about annoyed the crap out of me.
I think it's a bit of a shame because I was really excited for Firefly and even pulled for her but then they went all out on canonizing the 'relationship' which felt like a bit too much? Like, we're just going to get a new waifu a few patches later so why bother pushing one in particular in the story when ultimately it won't matter and we'll forget about her.
Starrail is perfectly balanced as long as you don't count loli trash as "female characters" because if you consider 12 year old girls to be women then there's something wrong with your brain. The number of adult men in STAR Rail is 2 times the number of adult women and we need more adult women like Himeko for balance. I'm starving in Starrail. I have no one to pull, because of your Husbando. I need grown women, not children or men
@@angmar87 uhhh you mean adult women model? There's a whole lot of character that above like 20+ but has avarage female model. And you want the "mommy" model? Seriously
@@Ucikkkkkkk Yes, because they look like real female characters, not lolis disguised as women. Chinese gacha games are simply chock-full of this loli trash
honestly surprised you didnt mention more of the the solo gender gachas. any with just men or just women and how they compare to each other. theres so many horrible moments too, like when love live (all girls) was going to have a collab and every man FREAKED the fuck out at the IDEA that they were going to talk to a guy
That's one of the reasons I love Reverse 1999 so much. While male characters are in minority, they all look very unique and interesting. A dope biker, cool old man, an italian gangster, a nerd, a BIRDMAN. Love love love this game.
I love Reverse 1999, and playing since launch. I agree that yeah most character in reverse 1999 are female (And be Lesbian) But when a male character is added they also get the quality treatment right, with the design like there isn't a single bad character design in the game, So everyone is equal but still has that bias of Female character better than male one. But Reverse 1999 does it the best out of any gacha game. Second to Limbus company but that's heavily debatable, Since you can only play 12 Sinner (Character), 6 males and 6 females character (Exsclude Charon, Vergilius and Dante since they arent playable) and the gacha is for diferent version of the character (ID), each character get their own moment even when the story isn't focus on them.
I can't keep playing the game, but I do agree it's a very unique design and I was very excited to play it day one. I'm glad to see people still happy with it. They deserve it.
The fact that Medicine Pocket (which canonically refers to themselves as they/them) exists in Reverse:1999 is such an amazing move from them too. The masc:femme characters ratio in the game is a bit sad to look at but at least they quality and marketing for either are equal
What happens to me was I was ready to spend money to get xiangli yao then turns out he's free. I'm happy and wants to wait for the next male characther to spend on because i want to show that male characther do sell. But 2 patch later and still no men while kuro really tried to sell the waifus as romantically as possible to the player and tbh it turns me off. I do wonder why won't mix gender games also makes the male characther head over heels for the player? It saves them from making people thinks the NTR stuff. Or is it just because male players thinks its gay??
I'm just gonna stop pulling for waifus after camellya. With her I'll have enough complete teams for meta gaming and won't feel the pressure for a long while. Time to tell them loud and clear 80/20 split is not okay.
As shaby as fgo is as a game, it apsolutely demolishes most gachas in terms of writing men (and writing in general tbh). And idk how well it holds up but I think the male to female ratio was around 1:2. And even this is bc only female characters get new swimsuit varients while men get just costumes (the pain is real) so that further amps the numbers of playable waifus.
That an unfortunately, the releases of men has dwindle overall over time....The year LB 6 came out we had 4 men..... all year and this year in JP, we have only 5 men currently...it sucks when a summer event has more waifus than the entire years male population in certain years...some years, we are blessed with plenty and some they are has barren has a wasteland.
honestly half the reason i dropped zzz is because they're allergic to making male limited s-ranks/5 stars/whatever they're called. i wish more gachas would cater to men-likers without being dating sims, every gacha out there has an abundance of waifu characters. (good video btw i agree with your points)
@@lants420 Yeah I wish the gender ratio was more even, but I'm glad that the few men we do have are well designed, fun/good, and are treated well in the narrative. And thanks, glad you enjoyed the video :)
the game got released like 3 months ago so that's normal. also they literally announced 2 males characters already and it garranteed that one is an S rank
@@xXNaniPTXx i'm just used to genshin and hsr which had male limited 5 stars as early as 1.0, waiting this long for a limited s-rank male has kinda killed the hype for me personally.
We have love and deepspace for at least , though the mc is female, and I'm not aware of any gachas who have an all male cast that isn't targeted towards primarily women Edit. : I forgot Obey Me! Existed 💀 We really need more Obey me's in the gacha scene , even though it IS a dating sim. I just appreciate the fact that the OM! mc isn't gendered which imo makes the intended audience much more inclusive if that makes sense?? Like yeah it's an otome , but its audience isn't strictly women due to the mc possibly being nb canonically
Starrail is perfectly balanced as long as you don't count loli trash as "female characters" because if you consider 12 year old girls to be women then there's something wrong with your brain. The number of adult men in STAR Rail is 2 times the number of adult women and we need more adult women like Himeko for balance. I'm starving in Starrail. I have no one to pull, because of your Husbando. I need grown women, not children or men
@@Andraskies Your Hoyo, who swore his eternal love for anime boys. If they are so in love with anime boys, then why didn't they make a separate game about them, like Deepspace? It's good that now there is a real Deepspace who took money from Hoyo and now they don't make anything from anime boys. Greedy developers got what they deserved. I hope Star Rail fails soon
@@angmar87 bro relax we get u like old women idc what hoyo releases but genshin and honkai star rail is a game for both genders, it's just that female characters sell well meaning they make more. Not jus cuz of deepspace it means we drop genshin and go love the men there, while yes its a dating sim and has a fighting system but it just doesnt feel like genshin where its open world and anime like bcuz if that was the case then stick to honkai impact 3rd, there's no male in the game, blue archive or zenless zone zero with a huge gender ratio gap instead of trashing a game that's meant for both sides to enjoy let ppl have their fun
@@Andraskies HOYO makes one new game every year. Why can't he make one game about their beloved anime boys and remove all this Otome trash from their other games? Why does every HOYO game have to be 50% Otome and most of the female characters have to be loli and underage?
@@pineapple5175Dante's gender is unconfirmed in the game proper thus, despite being based on a male poet, should not count for the male/female ratio. Also, there's Charon, which would make it 7 males/7 females/1 Dante in the bus.
...Arknights, this one game is the proof that you can create male charachters that people would want over waifu's. Not femboys, not trap, male, charismatic, stylish men. Also, this game has a ton of female characters that are fully covered even with oversized clothes but since the artworrks are incredible, their lore is amazing also, people tend to pull to have them instead of just sexy girls
Just look at Limbus Company, the rate of character is 50:50 There is 6 male and 6 female playable cahracter, each with their own personality and realy good interaction
I think the diverse and creative designs in Reverse 1999 are really well done, both for the female and male characters, like eg Getian (bird man) and 6 (who wears a Greco Roman robe) are unique designs esp considering the mostly flat silhouettes of male characters in gacha games
But still has more Females than males character, but atleast they arent getting worse treatment like otther gacha game, everyone in reverse 1999 is equal in term of design, Voice, And likable moment in the story.
@@panjinurfadillah2489 true, wish there was more of an even split since i like to collect both. I wonder if most ppl fall under either waifu or husbando collectors exclusively or if there is actually a sizable majority that like both equally
@@matchasketch8224 Since majority of any gacha player is Male, It's always gonna be more waifu collectors than husbando, Due to this bias a lot of gacha have so beautiful females waifu design compared to male one(They mostly have just a suit and that's it, nothing unique). But I Still hope Reverse 1999 have more Male focus character Next patch, And a straight romance maybe (The characters in reverse 1999 is all Gay, and European. Not that I am complaining, just need more variety)
@@panjinurfadillah2489 Although I like the character designs too, I'm also hoping for even more variety! Although I have to say A Knight is already very unique considering how most gacha that I know have playable characters with at least a face haha.
As a man who is a husbando collector, I'm so tired of the ratios being off. I played King's Raid for about 5+ years. They had a good balance of men and women, and treated them well(also both men AND women got fan-service skins). I'd so responsibly spend money on men if gacha creators made and treated their male characters well. I plan to E0 S1 Adventurine on his rerun bc he's such a good character. Also, games are sooo missing out on the queer community. Fellow mlm people will understand. There is rarely any sort of gacha catered towards players like me that isn't an otome game. The one game I can think of that is men oriented, which actually lets you be a male MC without unromantisizing certain parts of the story is The Tale of Food.
My opinion on this is... that weeb culture in general forgot how to make cool masculine characters. Back in the day we had Kenshiro, Spike, Sesshomaru, Dio, Guts... Since most of these gacha games take inspiration from already existing archetypes, it is not surprising that they´re very comfortable doing cool/attractive female characters, but fail to do the same with men since nowadays is all generic isekai dudes, femboys, teenagers that are terrified of being 5m from any female.
Fortunately there has been strives in masculine characters making comebacks as shows such as Baki Hanma and Blue Lock seem are incredibly popular for newer gen shows
@@PeruvianPotato Yeah there's a few of them fortunately (Thorfinn also comes to mind)... but the amount of popular/cool female characters outnumber male characters.
>Sesshomaru >Masculine Also women aren't exactly diverse in anime either, even less so than men despite there (usually) being more of them. Most of them are young, skinny, thin, with one of the several different anime archetypes of a personality. This applies even moreso to gatcha, where women are sold as objects of desire, and therefore can't exactly be "ugly" or (too) unlikable. Also diversify your anime a bit, try Akudama Drive or Urusei Yatsura
@@annak3342 Sesshomaru being pretty doesn´t make him less masculine lol. Yeah, I agree. Women aren´t really that diverse either. However there´s still more inspiration to make appealing female characters than male characters.
@@esaualfaro3447 Key word here is "appealing", being forced to be "appealing" limits female characters to begin with. How often do you see really masculine, muscular or older women in anime? Ones that actually LOOK that way, with crow's feet, wrinkles, fat or actual musculature? The only reason there's more "inspiration" for female characters here is because there are inherently more waifu tropes. You're mostly complaining about male characters that are either made to be self-inserts, side characters who are meant to be non-threatening for the self-insert to not get feel like they're NTR'd, or men made to appeal to women, so not your target audience to begin with.
Wuwa males are very well designed, imo. Xiangli Yao is the best dps character in the game right now. I think Wuwa treats their men well, giving screen time, cool design, strong kits... they just don't do it often, sadly. It's hard to attract the male enthusiasts when hey aren't given the chance. I'm hoping Love and Deepspace will change that.
Sorry but he is not best dps. He is VERY good but Jinshi is the best. and they barely give screentime to male characters. where is Calcharo? we have only got companion quests (dates) with women lately. 1.4 seems like a waifu patch, no males even in the story content lmao.
Literally, there was a whole boycott and association of Genshin and Radical Feminism JUST because Genshin didn't released female characters for while in KR. Asia in general just seems to hate men in male target gacha game. I am really not sure, I sometimes feel like the logic is "Why make male character when you can make female character with exactly same style and concept".
One of the main reasons I chose Caelus > Stelle. Going in you just know there’s going to be a lack of representation. Sunday performing well financially may hopefully further push the door in the same way Neuvillette has done in recent memory.
Adding more men to gacha games could do wonders for the worldbuilding if they're actually written well, which is a whole other problem. Except in Blue Archive, all the men are either robots or animals, and it's funny how it actually kinda works.
The world of Blue Archive is generally one big mystery that we're unraveling bit by bit, but it really is strange how every male character either is a robot, an animal, or some form of non-human, but all the women are at least humanoid, if not like 90% human. It really raises the question of what the population split is for Kivotos and if the population is even self-sustainable.
Blue Archive is a purposefully absurd setting. You're not supposed to ask why all the students are female, why Sensei is the only male in the Academy city, what happens when the students graduate, whether or not they actually have parents, why everyone though it was a good idea to let unstable teenage girls govern entire districts, and definitely not why the girls have halos which make them bulletproof. All you can do is accept the absurdity of their world, and enjoy the surprisingly well-written plots despite of the absurd setting.
unless you're explicitly talking bloodlines, a story's world building is not dependent on male/female ratio. There are stories that have had very cool world building with very skewed ratio and the reverse is true.
I didn't approach HSR with a PLAN to pull for husbandos (in fact started the game for Seele because she has a cool scythe), yet as of now I have every single playable man in this game (and guarantee for Sunday). I even picked up a few gremlins to support my husbandos better along the way. They're just making it really easy to skip and save, when every other female character is a half naked copy paste of the same mommy, idc how strong or meta they are. Firefly's promo materials and how shoved she was down my throat during the story was actively repulsive and made me decide to never pull this character, not even as collection completionist angle. Which is honestly a shame because if she and Sam were separate characters, I most likely would go for Sam just to keep the meme alive.
Thank you for making a video on this. People in the community and even popular content creators blow off the concerns and mistreatment of the female audience and outright disrespect them, because they don't care. It doesn't affect them even if they put on a façade that they do care about issues like these. A content creator I use to watch was Tectone. I don't think he's a bad person, but it's clear he doesn't give a fuck about anything as long as it doesn't affect him. Like telling Kuro games to only focus on putting out female banners, which in turn we have seen how that outcome played out. Then when people, mainly female players were upset about the 1.3 wuwa update when Shorekeeper is forced into being a love interest for the mc just like Firefly was he openly says "The only people upset about that are stupid women with big tiddies". Disrespecting us and degrading us to sexual objects in one sentence, because the issues doesn't affect him. When that is the person who is the most influential and largest creator in the gacha space no wonder our issues will never be heard or taken seriously. So any video on this topic to spread the word of this issue further is greatly greatly appreciated. This isn't back in the early 2000s were it was rare to see women playing video games. It's VERY common to see women playing video games on the regular nowadays. While I don't agree with the Love and Deepspace communities approach and rudeness to anyone who simply doesn't like the art style of the game. It's clear that its a response to previous harassment from men who harass the women playing love and deepspace, because love and deepspace is successful. On top of male players when discussing the issue about the male characters say they don't want male characters in the game. They also don't want men to be sexualized, but are totally okay with women being sexualized. I'm not even a prude or a feminist. I'm totally okay with sexualized female characters. However as a woman that comment makes me feel so disgusted. It makes me feel unsafe. How in the world is it okay to sexualize female characters, but not okay to sexualize male characters. It's only okay when we sexualize the female characters. These communities more and more make me feel disgusted, because of the sheer amount of men who don't see us as humans, but as sexual objects and that's it.
What mistreatment? They don't even make the male focused gacha characters look good. Maybe you people are too ignorant that some recent gachas do attract female players to pull characters? You don't need to make them purely female, just look at zenless zone zero.
" sheer amount of men who don't see us as humans" like 1 man out of 10 or even 100, you mean? consider spending less time on social media? Whatever the topic, there will always be people with polarising opinions inserting their 5 cents, if you look at this discussions from a male perspective and focus on the stuff that might bother you as a man, you might get the impression that all female players of gatcha games are feminists who just *hate* you for simply liking pretty women who don't treat you like garbage, real or fictional, and overall if you focus on negativity you'll realize that some people will always treat you worse for being the gender you are, be you a man or a woman. That's not true, of course, most women players aren't like that, but that's the type of women who will speak up the most online. Same with men. I honestly never in my life heard from a man that he isn't okay with women gooning over male charcaters while also being okay with sexualizing female characters, I can only imagine it were some guys on twitter or something? I can assure you that that's not how majority thinks lol. Tbf I can only talk about western fans, no idea what's going on on east, as I heard about some guys actually protesting male characters, but I assume that's a loud minority type of thing As for your particular complaint about Shorekeeper, as a rule of thumb female characters are made for men, and male characters are made for women in these kind of games, so I don't really see why they should change stuff because some women don't like her being a love interest for the mc, it's like if they made men in these games less hot because it bothers male players or something. Like how is this even a bad thing? It's not going to be taken seriously because it's not a serious problem, at least the way I see it, making someone fall in love with a man doesn't make them worse as a character. If you have some head canon regarding this character regarding her relationships or whatever, you are free to enjoy it anyway. Btw, people care the most about topics that affect them or their family/friends, it's just natural it seems. Like when someone talks about men's issues in public, it's usually a man, and when someone is talking about women's issues, it's usually a woman. Doesn't mean you don't have to care about anyone but you, but you can't blame people for caring *more* about the stuff that might affect them personally. Especially when it comes to stuff like video games where it's hard to tell when someone is just complaining for no reason like it always happens or if it's a real problem unless you personally experienced it. To me, personally, complaining about a female character being a love interest for the mc is a first world problem (aka not a problem at all), not to say that all complaints you might have are the same, but just this one if particular
What the hell are these double standards? Do you know how many female players play games like LaDs and then get upset over sexualized female characters? It's the most annoying shit ever. In my opinion idgaf what you like don't be a hypocrite, whichever side you are on. You play these games to look at attractive characters, so don't be a puritain about it.
@@AdvilUser Did you actually read my comment or are you fucking illiterate? I already said I don't care if female characters are sexualized. However when men aren't allowed to be sexualized, but females should have their tiddies being held back by a thin piece of cloth that's where I have an issue. Now that is hypocrisy. Its also a whole other problem when the women being sexualized are real people and not characters. LaDs is a direct counter to "males don't sell" because its clear by their success that they do. Which is a point I didn't even make in this comment. I simply said that the women in the love and deepspace community have been harrassed by men because of LaDs success. Why don't you get some basic reading comprehension next time before you start speaking stupid, you actual troglodyte. I don't know which one it is if you got Tectone's dick so far down your fucking throat or your that pathetic that you see fictional men as competition for your fictional waifu. No matter which one it is. Sit down and shut up. You don't know what you're talking about. Actual moron.
The truth is, a male character can sell. The example is Neuvillette from Genshin Impact. He's male, but he's very meta (currently the strongest #1 DPS), strong, has good personality, good lore, he's important to the main lore, he's just perfect. And his banner sold very well. They just DON"T want to make male character in general. In Genshin Impact, Kinnich was the ONLY 5 star limited male character in 2024. It is so shocking that we got only ONE male 5 star character in the whole 2024 year that even Chinese players (who prefer female characters in general) are angry about it. The thing is, male characters can sell, because there are many female players who want male characters. And in general, male characters in gatcha games are very popular. For example, there is a game purely with all male characters and the game sold more than Genshin, Honkai and others games. In Genshin, they just don't make many meta wised male characters and they make female characters like a factory, to the point that many of them has the SAME PERSONALITY. The problem is huge.
>FGO gets mentioned once >Gets praised incredibly well >Refuses to Elaborate >Leaves Rare time FGO ever got away from the conversation without getting insulted at least once lmao
saying men don’t sale in gacha games when Granblue Fantasy’s male characters are more popular and they’re the reason why it’s gotten successful is funny
i think the ''man problem'' in games happens in lots of genres, i just finished cyber punk and the differnece between the female companions/ romances and male was VAST. females get cool stories, deep writing and the men romancables are so much shallower and added as an after thought. i think with the rise of more female gamers ( or atleast the companies recognising we exist and spend money too) means more thought put into the boys and thier stories :) I want to see more overally sexualised, unrealistic ,naked ripped men with male jiggle pyhsics XD
A well written story is also a part of it. Oberon from FGO is well loved and popular cause he is one of the best written characters and it aslo helps that he's a busted support
Arknights consistently has guys in the top 10 of their popularity polls. so I feel like they're doing something right, though I think part of it is that like Aventurine a lot of them are surrounded by good writing and also built up in advance of them actually debuting as playable characters. Role diversity isn't really an issue either as most of the archetypes have male and female representation in that respect and a lot of the strongest picks in those groups are guys like Mlynar and Chongyue (Who are both crowd-clearing damage dealers).
yeah it's all quality. do you give your characters effort in design and story. I mean even if there are a lot of female characters in gatcha some of them suffer story-wise because of the 'must be in love with the MC' aspect.
Honkai impact 3rd player here since hov arrival Try just TRY to say adding male characters could be a very good thing and that the only waifu game was an early hoyo thing and that they HAVE to evolve and You Get Crushed whithout placing a word .......
CN is upset because any man threat them, they think they Will take away the waifus (they dont take same sex relationship as serious as hetero) Global would get mad because threats the Yuri relationships
Funny, there's no male in genshin and Honkai that draw me in as much as males in FGO. I only waifu collector in Hoyo games, while FGO, hmmm Munenori Yagyuu go swing
Thanks for speaking up about that, as sad as it is, when women talk about problems like that, we're told to "stop complaining" or "play something else then, this game isn't for you". I've played WuWa since launch and I've had sooo much fun with it, but if you want to play as male characters you're basically screwed. Lingyang, Yuanwu and Aalto are characters I see anyone barely use, Jiyan was quickly replaces by Jinshi in many players' teams the next banner because of her crazy dmg + she got the whole main story focused on her, in the next update, but ok, lets be fair, I still see people use Jiyan in teams with Mortefi, who's also used not infrequently, but it's still not as frequent as many other female characters. And then there's Calcharo who not only haven't appeared in the story yet, but got replaced in terms of combat in 4 months by another male character - Xiangli Yao, who was given for free, so there's no reason not to use him. Havoc male Rover has really good dmg, but he's optional so you could just not have him on your account. So, basically, out of 8(vs16) characters, people only consistently use 3-4. Also, this is a problem with WuWa in general, but their dsigns look boring (for me personally, I already know all the arguements against this claim, that's just my opinion) so I hope they won't just put every future male character in suits... I still think Genshin has one of the most well designed male characters, you have more variety in their designs that aren't just "suit 1, suit2, suit 3". Venti's design is still one of my favourites of all time, not just in Genshin, but in ANY anime game. Granted, it still sufferes from the fact that the developers are too afraid to make any characters look more than 30 years old and less than stick figure skinny (with SOME exceptions that started happening like what, 2 years after game's launch?), even though some of them like Zhongli or Neuvillette would've been so much better if they looked older, like 40+ AND it still has some tall model male characters in just... suits, but they still have variety. Also male Rover in WuWa feels like the most copy-paste isekai harem protagonist №32783287, while Aether has such a unique design compared to many-many male protagonists in anime, if he was a banner character, I would've considered pulling him just bacause of his design.
Correction women aren’t special. If you complain people will tell you those same things regardless of your gender. There is no misogyny here they will say this to everyone
Firefly is funny because everything they did to make her so popular is what made her one of my lease liked characters in the game. I fully stand behind that she should've been a one off character that died in 2.0
Also Aether Gazer fucking hurts. At this point I don't even know why they had playable men in the first place when they're such a complete afterthought 99% of the time. I feel like it's pure cope hoping that even just one prime mod will be male.
At least FEH has a pretty decent gender split last I able to check(It's hard nowadays with the sheer number of characters) plus characters like Ike are consistently some of the best in the game when a new alt for them comes out. The only place it really falls flat is the writing. We still have never gotten a free male companion oc and the men, with minor exceptions, are usually the weakest written characters.
I think Reverse 1999 did a good job with a character called 6. He's considered a must pull for the game and his abilities made him quite valuable. He might be power crept by another character in the future from what I heard but he is one of the most versatile. His story in game is interesting as well. The ratio is heavy towards women too but the male characters do have niches that I use. Arknights like you said also has a good roster but yeah there are a lot of suits...
I like the male character designs of Reverse. Especially A Knight. I also like 6's story. Especially his part in 1.9. But the game not only targets men, but lesbians as well. Atleast I read somewhere that Bluepoch tries to make games intended for women who are interested in women. This would also kind of explain why so many Reverse girls are either gay, or atleast seem gay.
As someone who enjoys various flavours, from a woman inside a TV to a bug-limbed man, Reverse: 1999 and Limbus Company are my go-to buffet for well-designed and well-treated male and female characters
Another thing to note is that while women DO get more attention in theses games its not exactly good attention. For example, I realize that while looking at the character archives in Star Rail, none of the women are wearing pants. At most skin tight thigh highs/leggings. Also, the women are all feminine, like incredibly feminine. Where as in genshin for example, there's some feminine men, like kaye, linny, and kavah. Also a lot of women don't get stories that are as interesting as male stories. For every Furina there's like 3 Barbras who just aren't fun or cool characters. This is because they don't actually care about female representation. They want money and its easier to do that with women because we're already seen and treated as products by most media. Great video btw
@Rpground Someone with an mlp profile pic is calling me woke??? Mlp??? All the girls' main cast, literally about the power of friendship, has multiple episodes about celebrating people's differences, show???
OMG bro, you know that you are the problem right? if someone with your line of thinking gets into a position were they can do change, the game will fail... is a garanty that the game will lose money, these moral cruzades don't belong in gatcha games. WHO cares about female representation, the goal of the bussiness is to make money and content for the people who pay for it, how you can't undestand this? why can't people like you undestand that you are not the majority, that is why games that try this shit FAIL.
@MALICEM12 Also, I meant their outfits are incredibly sexual for like no reason. Wasn't there backlash from the Japanese genshin company because Ei dresses kind like hooker instead of a noble goddess? (What she's supposed to be)
idk who thought gacha games are by nature wifu games since male centered gacha games with long shelf lives have always been a thing too. it’s just another case of ignoring what the majority of women would like and undermining how much money they WOULD spend. there’s no need to spend money when you’ve gotten like 6 patches without having to spend a single gacha currency.
Gacha games tend to have phenomenal designs for women. That streetwear ninja girl is a perfect example. It's lewd and cool all at once. I think male characters also deserve more love, but I never know what people want out of a man. I'm not attracted to men, and I don't think they're as cool. For someone who DOES find men hot, what kinds of men do they want? Will women/gay guys simp and whale for male characters in the same way?
For me personally, someone who prefers male characters, I really want more buff male characters with facial hair. Male characters like Aventurine or Dr. Ratio I can see having their respected fan base and have no issue with. But when you're in a gatcha game with a crazy ratio desparity between male and female characters who all generally have that pretty Asian beauty standards... I just want a buff cool male. Hence, my love in Star Rail is Gallagher despite being a 4* unit with honestly not that much screen time.
In general, women tend not to prefer super buff guys. It's actually mostly men who like to see the ultra masculine characters. I'm a woman and I personally do not find it appealing at all. With HSR I'd say Gallagher is the upper limit. Some women are exceptions, but that's on average. Aventurine or Sunday are perfect in my opinion. That's part of the reason why so many gacha characters are pretty boys, because those designs do really well with women. Especially in Asian markets. Kpop boy groups are massively popular for a reason.
I just like a masculine presenting guy with a massive case of gap moe where he's allowed to be soft and oddly cute despite his appearance, yea know, that gentle giant stuff?
So far Arknights is showing some promise with the male to female ratio with a good amount of 6 star male characters, but not enough to close the gap. At least we're getting Logo and Ulpi who are both 6 star characters soom so they understand there is a market for male characters!
As much as a love PGR and ZZZ, I wish they would release more men. PGR has proven multiple times that they CAN write men, and make their designs interesting, however, every 6 months they release another male character while women are constantly released. As for ZZZ, they can clearly design men interesting too, but don’t do it the same for women. The men are more experimental while all the women are designed to be “cute” or “sexy”. It gets even worse when you try to criticize those points and people tell them “go play otome games!” When they just aren’t interested in that genre and they prefer combat games, and just want the devs to listen to them for once. (This isn’t a breakdown of the story since I finished this chapter in December when it released, and now my memory is hazy about it) In PGR, my favorite stories are Spiral of Chronos and Cradle Parade, Spiral of Chronos focusing on a male character; I consider this chapter to be one of the best written as not only do I find it heartbreaking, but it constantly kept me on my feet. Lee, the main character of this chapter, is quite already well written, and he goes through way more character development. This frame (Hyperreal) having differing personalities compared to Entropy and Palefire. While in those frames he was grumpy and unapproachable, in this one, he’s a lot softer and communicates with his feelings way more. Pgr clearly proves that they can write stories featuring its men, but just chooses not to since a majority of the cast is women, and women is what they almost always release.
Destiny Child (RIP the english version of that, it was incredibly F2P friendly with a great soundtrack, artwork, and pretty neat little character sidestory feature for what it was) only had a few male character cards but i loved the way all of them looked. it had a fan service feature that would give you buffs if you left your favorite cards in a hot springs and the male character cards werent exempt from this. i played that game every day for 1 whole year before i quit it and the issue was that none of the powerful cards in the game were male characters, they were all mid level power cards that you would never use on anything that wasnt a beginner or starter team. because the game was generous with giving away free gacha pulls and guaranteed high rank pulls system if you rolled too many times without a good card appearing, you soon wouldnt use them. you literally would only keep them to collect them. it made me question, what was the point of even adding them in the first place? it's not like i ever met another female player who played DC, the male cards in that game were clearly designed to appeal to women but it never had any fandom around it because all the other fujos were busy being obsessed with genshin etc. and of course all high power cards were waifus, there was no equal power male character equvalent so such fandom couldnt be cultivated. why did they have ANY male character cards in the game to begin with? even went so far as to make "bathing" fan service graphics and backstory quests for them but not have them have any utility or purpose? it just seems weird. EDIT: I WAS LISTENING TO YOUR VIDEO WHILE TYPING THIS COMMENT OUT AND YOU SHOUTED IT OUT JUST AS I HIT POST @ 17:30
The problem with gacha gamers are they treat the game like a dating "waifu/husbando" simulator... i.e If men pulled for male character, they thought they were gay... I once asked if I was gay because I pulled male character... LIke what??? Bruh I grew up reading berserk, vagabond, samuraix, dragon ball, etc ofc I prefer to play as a badass male character as my main/DPS... I don't want to play as a girl... It's an Action "Role" Playing Game not a Barbie or Dating Simulator the game...
thissss lol. I think this is also why a lot of male loving female players are actually just as comfortable with getting female characters despite also wanting more males too. when girls get a female character, they enjoy the fantasy of plying the badass female fighter. they don't have the homophobic ick thing going on. heck I would say some girls even enjoy wlw ships or have their own waifus.
Well let's take a look at Neuvillette in Genshin. Good story, great design and good voice acting in all languages. It's possible and Capitano will probably make the highest banner sale if he ever comes. I hope WuWa gives the male character another chance. If they were to create a stoty like Shore Keeper with a male character and make it a viable unit, sales would certainly be very good then.
I agree with the video whole heartedly. My personal account collection in Star Rail is largely curated around the males because I actually don’t prefer to goon, so sometimes I wait an untold number of patches for a good pull target. Not that I don’t aim for women sometimes too, but I have really high standards and look for characters that will actually appeal to me long-term instead of just being a novelty of the month. So far the only character in that regard has been Robin.
That's because these players can't grow up if they can have the idea of their waifu dating a guy it got so bad that blue archive thought they were getting cheated on by another game just shows you how unhinged or how bad the player base be let's not forget about the bunny incident this shows you how crazy and delusional these players are but it's not all the community only the toxic ones Because their procession of reality is these waifus are real no matter what you say to these people you can't convince them it's like literally talking to a brick wall
The point is, is it worth it to convince them to get out of this? Let's be honest, when it comes to dating scene, dating a fictional character it still better
While I'm generally more interested in female characters than male, not all female characters have been to my interested. Some of them I even nearly regret pulling for in retrospect because I never use them. Males seem to both be almost an afterthought in being made interesting by devs and mostly there for the game to not land in the 'harem' category, though many games, gachas or not, aren't shy about being labeled as that.
And rhe best of all is that we only focus on those 12 sinners (Character) story with each canto, some characters have unique characteristics that we just dont know until it's their canto like Ryoshu and Meursault who i am having a hard time knowing why they act like that.
I'm gonna need to defend some of my Arknights men here. Silverash HAS to wear a suit bc he's a literal CEO Executor is some sort of law enforcer, and so was OG Ch'en. Mlynar is also a former office worker despite being a knight XD Suuure Phantom should get more non-suit outfits being the resident theatre kid, but he's also kind of an assassin so just think of Hitman lol. As for the rest so far none really wear a SUIT suit ig, Arknights is known for the tacticool streetwear for both guys and girls after all, with some exceptions. My favorite outfits for males are from the ABC Gang bc they're streetwear + handyman suit kind of fit, which suits their lore (especially Chiave). Not to mention--WE HAVE MEN WITH BEARDS/STUBBLE/STACHE DANGIT. That's a plus imo XD
Honestly, in 95% of these types of videos, The person making the video does not know Limbus Company. Which is depressing, since Limbus most of the time is the total opposite of the points that are often criticized in these videos. 😮💨
Something I feel we need to stop overlooking is the fact that a large part of the reason why gacha games are so focused on female characters comes from the rise in feminist and anti-feminist movements in China and Korea. Because of gender tensions between men and women, gamers in those countries have started viewing the inclusion of male characters as a "feminist dog whistle" with a lot of male gamers having an immediate negative reaction to it. This is why games like Azur Promilia had their entire fanbase turn against them purely off the incorrect assumption that they might be considering adding male characters. It's also why Snowbreak stated they were no longer including male npcs as well as their recent statement that they were no longer collabing with any cosplayers due to the backlash they received after it was discovered that some of the cosplayers they collabed with in the past held feminist views. Or why Girls Frontline has been embroiled in multiple NTR controversies. The political landscape in China and Korea is preventing developers from appealing equally to both genders even Genshin has received extreme amounts of hate in China and Korea for its inclusion of male characters like Scaramouche being largely hated by male players in those countries due to his overwhelming popularity among woman. Genshin's recent choice to only introduce 2 male characters in Natlan might also have been caused by the backlash that they have faced in the past. It's also leading to a rise in husbando and female audience-focused gacha games like Love in Deepspace and Infinity Nikki. But it's becoming much harder to make games that appeal to both men and women in China and Korea.
The writing of a character helps in them being a money maker or not. Firefly got that and Acheron too. Something the Honkai team needs to do for the guys. Make us care or want them. It shouldn't be hard. Sucks Boothill didn't get good writing, but his game play and quirks made me want him. Mostly he preventing himself from cursing. That's comedy gold.
exactly. Not a male character, but I went into Natlan expecting to hate Citlali (The pink haired cryo girl), but they wrote her so well (and didn't just write her to be MC love interest) that I'm actually convinced to pull for her. They were able to make me go from hating a character to loving a character with good writing and it doesn't even need to be waifu bait. So WHY can they not do that for male characters.
You know I'm surprised you didn't mention Genshin even once. Most male characters seem to be somewhat popular, relevant and/or even meta: - Zhongli's demo is still the most viewed video of the whole game - Tartaglia is somewhat beloved and is relevant to the story, as well as having one of the strongest teams in the game - Diluc is still the only character that has a 5-star skin in the game whereas all the waifu skins are 4-star and rather plane, and he also gained an incredible buff in the form of Furina and Xianyun. - Xiao is definitely the most beloved character for the Genshin Devs as he has an exclusive set, an Archon Quest dedicated to him, every single Lantern Rite has a secret or direct interaction with him, he has obtained an extremely powerful team that made him go from Mid to Okay, and so far no other Anemo DPS can compare to him now. - Kazuha has become so cool to the point of becoming South Korea's public enemy No.1 as every single character that interacts with him always has to praise his skills, personality and/or remind us that he achieved the impossible by having the power of 2 Visions and blocking Raiden's sword booba attack with a shitty 3-star sword. Not to mention that he's still a top meta unit. - Itto is what Boothill wishes to be but honestly he's just not all that amazing. He's pretty mediocre but what doesn't have in pull value he has on event stardom. - Now nearly the entirety of Sumeru is composed by male characters, or at least the most relevant to the story or the most valuable in terms of gameplay. Al Haitham is considered one of the top 3 strongest characters in the game, Tighnari and Cyno are somewhat mediocre but have a lot of funny dialogue and really good weapons, Wanderer/Scaramouche got really well treated, and Kaveh well... His gay drama carries him whole. And I haven't even covered Fontaine with Neuvillette being so goddamn broken in both story and gameplay that Raiden mains still can't recover from all the emotional and financial damage they've suffered.
As a dude, give me someone like Adray or Albel (manly or edgy, respectively) from Star Ocean 3 and I'll go for them, but most gacha games default to pretty K-pop looking boys. Boothill was close, but because of the silly no cursing bit makes me look at him as weak. Firefly is super cool, and I would have pulled for them regardless of being male or female, I wish the default was the SAM suit though. I don't need it to be my girlfriend, I need to have a murder robot on my team. I think ZZZ is doing better, or at least has the potential to, with character designs. There have been alot of ladies back-to-back, but Ben is fantastic, Lighter is cool (even though he's a pretty boy) and I really wish they would make Pompey a character, since he's a badass that dudes would like to play as and a daddy that alot of girls would like to buy.
@@Tonbizzle Oh man, I completely forgot to talk about the K-popification of gacha men! I don't mind summoning for pretty boys every now and then, but I miss when I could actually summon cool dudes. Give me a badass no nonsense knight or something. Lighter is a step in the right direction, I'm hoping we get big daddy at some point cause that's exactly what I want.
@@bladimirvideosyeah that's kinda the reason I'm not too bothered by the lack of men in gacha because most of them tend to be kinda lame to me anyway. The K-pop look doesn't appeal to me and I prefer cool looking dude characters over say someone like adventurine.
Boothill Stan here, I LOVE Boothill's Censoring. Especially in the Portuguese translation. Its so perfect to see how They replace the Swearing in portuguese. That Silly Cowboy that appeared for like 10 minutes caught my eye more than any other character ever would, Also, he cute
I always wonder why men are covered up 99% when women get skin exposure galore. Like, the reason for women shoeing skin is "because its their battle suit snd its what they're comfortable in" and then the men get the same thing, but to be honest, if i was one of the men, I'd be so annoyed cuz it means I'll get so hot and bothered in warn weather since the clothes would cover head to toe while the women are more comfortable and can show off while also being cool. I mean, of course, men do get some skin exposure, but its just not to the same level as women get. Can i at least get a male who is sexy and cool and doesn't wear something that covers his entire body? There is this one gacha called Fellow Moon (still CN Only) and there's a video of ultimate animations of its characters, and the first character is a male, shows skin, is hot, and looks cool
All the meta male units in Arknights are damage dealers. SilverAsh, Mlynar, Thorns, Mountain, Logos, Ulpianus, Gnosis -- they're all DPSes. Only one meta guy -- Lumen -- is a healer.
Honestly, this is coming from a guy who likes female characters a lot, and plays games reflective of that (Nikke, Wuthwring Waves, etc), but the reason why i personally ended up disliking seeing males in gacha is. Well, I'm exhausted by the pretty boy standards, that i usually see from countries like Japan, Korea, ane China. Which makes sense knowing the country of origin of these gachas. But I'd wish for more superhero-like builds, or builds that are reflective more on the strength a lot of the men should have. Jiyan comes to mind, as despite being a pretty boy, he's built like an athelete with defined muscles. Calchoro in the same game. And i love Yuanwu for the fact he has a beard, which is immensely rare in these genres of gacha. Welt and Siegfried from Honkai Impact 3rd come to mind. Poseidon, Soriz, Vaseraga, etc. from Granblue. It's sort of why it was hard for me to get behind the designs in say Genshin, because none of the men there are beyond the pretty boy look. Even Itto was nerfed. Star Rail has this problem too, so it feels disappointing when you know the male coming out looks like they belong in the same boy band as other pretty boys. Tldr: Gachas need men with MUSCLES and bearde. Also women with abs, thank you.
And we forget that what what we like due to our old media interactions isn't same for others. JP,KR,CN hold their standards rigidly. Most games just follow what's more preferred. Not to mention it's very often I see West playerbase complaining about a thing and east being chill on it and vice versa
the female characters have the same problem tho? Dahya, Beidou and Feixiao are all supposed to be masc women but they've the same slender model, not to mention the lack of actual pants for most women
I'm glad someone else is also aware of this fact. I would like to have more male characters as good as females but you know how the market goes, sell hot waifus for weeb cmmers, specially in asia cause they spend crazy amounts on gachas. Epic 7 has pretty solid male designs tho and don't even get me started on Alchemist Code designs (damn I miss that game) none of which are mainstream today Thing is, when people talk about gachas they only think about the hoyoverse triplets or anything amongst that style as a game
Genshin actually has crazy good male characters. I'm usually a waifu puller, with no male characters in Wuthering, Zenless and HSR. But in genshin, I actively pulled for GaMing and Neuvillette, and intend to get Venti, Itto and Zhongli too.
Can't relate how you'd pull for Genshin men but not for HSR men, where the male characters are far from 'perfect personality and agreeable morals' yet still respectable and sell well, with great gamekit too. Aventurine? Boothill? Imbibitor Lunae? Luocha? Even Jiaoqiu who has no problems poisoning his food for a goal despite him being a chef? How about Dr Ratio who's a professor but the way he insults people is rarely ideal for a teacher? Other than Childe who killed people for his version of greater good, as a girl I noticed Genshin tends to make the males really agreeable and morally upright, which is fairly reasonable, understandable even, but a bit unrealistic really. Not much variety unlike HSR men.
No, Raid Shadow Legends has plenty of cool looking male undead, dwarves, ogres, orcs. Raid is the only gacha game I can think that even give you a cool amount monsters and humanoids of all kinds. I wish these kind of games had more worlds like Shining Force where centaurs/trolls/werewolves/robots were common party members.
It's not that they don't sell, it's just that once a game settles down with male or female characters, it's kinda hard to catch the attention of people who want the exact opposite of what the game is providing. And to be fair, every game gathers the attention of different players, meaning that if the devs don't see the potential, then they will obviously not waste resources on male characters
Genshin impact demographycaly speaking, is both played equally by men and women, mobile gacha games in japan is more played by men, but generally speaking, gacha games have women players on the rise. I wish, as a woman, that the "wifu" stupidity stop.
Will say for Arknights most of them arent exactly tanks (defenders). If anything most of them are guards (ground/tank unit dps). Also the most recent global banner released Logos a mage dps who is broken, but not as much as the other limited character in the banner. I will also add to this but a gacha game that deviates from this to a degree is Limbus company, if anything for the fact that the only units you can get from the gacha are alternate units of the main cast and almost half of them are men.
It took so long for Arknights to grant players a male Healer and now we got three, two of them being free. TBH if Lumen was a banner operator I bet he would've sold well for being the only Medic who can remove status effects T-T but IG the devs learned their lesson so the later welfares are now on the "shitty" side of strength (Vigil and Crownslayer)
I think there are various reasons for this: first and foremost, I think HSR was always aimed mainly at the Male audience, just like its sister game, Honkai Impact 3rd, so of course its main attractor point is its female character. But if you look at another MiHoYo game: "Tear of Themis', you wouldn't find any playable female characters there, because that game mainly aimed at Female audience. Second, (this is just my opinion and over-generalization) I think it is ultimately because of how human males and females work, males are simple creatures that are easily stimulated by visuals, that's why women wear dresses, and that's why female characters design are very bold, but if you look at them they usually don't have much personality variation with the most popular are cutesy girlfriend typearch. While female, on the other hand, are creature that seeks intimacy, and connection, that's why the male characters marketed toward women usually use heir personality as the main charm point, instead of the suit they wear.
I just want to see more male characters and designs like the ones in afkj. They’re so diverse and cool (some are so sexy it’s ridiculous👀) and guess what? THEY ARE popular amongst the players. In fact the most asked for character at the moment is a bunny guy and it got to the point they devs had to assure players he is coming soon lmao.
I think the uneven male to female character release is a heavy factor in this you have forever to save so there’s no need to spend tbh it’s the companies loss seeing the success of games like Love & deep space, for all of time/Lovebrush & enstars (while they do use reoccurring characters) show that there can be a range of themes used to cater to female audiences and make money from it they just need to actually think of actually fun themes
Tbh most of the hate is rlly just bc insecure incels are threatened by any and all men and think they deserve “care/love/special treatment” from characters in a weird idol culture like type of entitlement
Enstars and Twisted Wonderland are HUGE games that's all male, and boy it's sad that they can't tap onto that demographic bc whiny incels will harass them to no end
Ur point abt male chrs being mid/bad in gameplay wise fits for Sunday...especially after seeing his kits leaks lmfao (seriously...another Harmony...sure, Sunday was most likely to be Harmony considering his story but COME ON MAN...)
@@cynolover Just looked into him, and yeah he definitely sounds mid for the current meta. Advanceing actions is nice but buffing damage is better, and storing energy doesn't really seem that useful for current characters. But it seems like he's gonna be good for summon characters like Jing Yuan. So he'll probably have a small niche in the future.
@@bladimirvideos I mean pattern recognition dictates he'll be broken, at least until the waifu version of him that advances all summons comes out in like patch 3.2 or something.
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Damn I forgot to use this example! In regards to Male vs Female designs, compare the Male and Female Main characters from Wuthering Waves. The guy looks like the most milk toast generic anime MC ever created. And the Female MC actually has a distinct design that stands out. Of course its subjective weather or not the designs are good, its up to your personal taste to decide.
Saying this with ZZZ pfp is wild! At least wuwa's mc has actual fun and engaging gameplay compared to whatever you think is "creative"
This is pure bias and a L take
@@denji4740 I actually don't like the MCs from Zenless. But they're also weird kinda self insert NPCs and not playable in the normal sense, so I didn't bring them up. I also don't think the Male MC from Wuthering is bad, just generic, or milk toast as I put it. The dichotomy between the Male and Fem MCs is really funny to me tho which is why I brought it up.
Edit: Also I was talking purely about design and not gameplay. Havoc Rover is really fun, but that has nothing to do with my comment.
@@denji4740 at least wuwa mc is swag and cool enough to have a boss aura dedicated for him, also Jiyan, Mortefi, GeShu Lin, Scar, Aalto, and more, my god this guy is such a fucking joke.
the only thing why Male character dont sell well is because lack of real coolness, swag, the aura which girl even fallen over with in otome game, also a male character has to give not 'generic' feeling, but feel like cool, that associate with you.
@@bladimirvideos Calcharo and Xiangling exist they might as well be the mc’s since there both free
Yao xiangling is free from the event, and Calcharo technically since there were two standard char selectors, if a player cared about male characters ofc they would chose him or Tiger boi…
The male character roster isn’t completely dead so why spread misinformation like this also
Jiyan is pretty cool too. You should start off with ZZZ or other games when it comes to criticism because it will sound like your nitpicking because it’s hoyo’s competition…
@@bladimirvideos What did Kuro do to you? If you like male characters be happy you can get them for free and save for scar and genshulin…I wish I got shore keeper free
If there's something like a 4-1 ratio of female to male characters, then waifu collectors will need to pay to get them all, while husbando collectors likely won't need to break f2p status. This alone pretty much guarantees that male banners will do worse.
those people with money don't like it, they want money, there is not much to talk about it.
I started playing Honkai Star Rail in 1.6. I was able to get every single new limited 5 star male character without spending a dime on the game and even then some like eidolons, lightcones, and even some female characters (Black Swan and Feixiao). This is 100% true. There is no reason for female players to spend or spend a lot when they can just get all the male characters they want for free.
true, waifu collector here that played genshin impact,
the constant release of male characters during the sumeru versions kept me away from spending any money which i normally do.
and the primogems i saved during that period last til like half way into fontaine around 4.3 which i ran out and start spending again.
Starrail is perfectly balanced as long as you don't count loli trash as "female characters" because if you consider 12 year old girls to be women then there's something wrong with your brain. The number of adult men in STAR Rail is 2 times the number of adult women and we need more adult women for balance.
@@GrimlyVeiledjust say male character collectors because not all female gacha players only want male characters there are plenty of female waifs collectors and male husbando collectors.
You forgot the NTR problem. Asian players will demolish gamedevs to the ground if a male character ever dares to get close to someone's waifu, which is something reasonably within the realm of possibility if the game has any male character at all
What they tried to do with Wanderer (twice) but the developers actually held their ground.
Its such a strange thing, i may absolutely love my waifus and im definitely scitzo for them but how deranged do you gotta be to think you can be ntr'd by pixels?
@@phosspatharios9680 honestly the NTR topic deserves its own dedicated video. With how deep that rabbit hole goes I could make an entire movie length video if I wanted to lol. I might do that at some point, could be an interesting topic to discuss.
I might be stupid but what does NTR mean??
@@obsidianstar9089 NTR is short for Netorare, a Japanese word that basically means cheating. A lot of players get attached to female characters to the point where they delude themselves into thinking they are in a relationship with them. So when a male characters has literally any type of interaction with a women these players get mad cause the women is "cheating" on them. It's honestly really sad to see.
These games (mostly Mihoyo) seem to actively sabotage male characters in favour of the female ones in terms of banner order, reruns and such. If I remember correctly Jingyuan from HSR is actually the most popular character, with Dan Heng IL being one of the most retweeted drip markets and now Sunday's reveal is trending and has overtaken Dan Heng. I think people absolutely love male characters who are done well but it's so infrequent. Genshin Impact has Wriothesley who based on banner sales you'd think is unpopular (but people absolutely love him). He hasn't had a rerun in over a year and his debut sales were bad because of the other characters people wanted to save for (and Cryo being terrible in the meta). At least husbandos are easier to go f2p.
If they stopped screwing over male characters maybe they'd actually realise there's a good market there? Are the waifu enjoyers not yet broke? Not yet bored? Why pull for Acheron and Feixiao and Firefly and Robin and Ruan Mei when a month later the next meta waifu is revealed?
Ikr.
Look at every break related supports, fire.
The upcoming break support, Fugue, fire.
Who will benefit the most? I don't know, Boothill? Rappa?
Oh no! It's HSR's all time favorite! Firefly!
They freaking made an entire fire roster just for her. You usually don't get the same elements and paths back to back together. Too unusual.
Gallagher, Fire Abundance, just came out and suddenly there is a Lingsha, Fire Abundance???
Jiaoqiu, Fire Nihility, even if he isn't perfect break support, he can easily apply vulnerability and reduce fire toughness, now there is another Fire Nihility???
Blatant favoritism, now with all the break supports being fire, they wouldn't release any break related supports soon, which means no PHYSICAL BREAK support for Boothill.
Firefly doesn't need 150% weakness efficiency, when she have the entire roster for her.
in genshin a lot of male characters are the ones who have the most character development/screentime: kazuha, xiao, scaramouche, neuvilette, kaveh, childe, dain, it is certainly not as bad as it is in hsr, especially that xiao got like 2 supports for himself, and neuvi being the best dps in the game that got buffed with xilonen just now
@@raywa5821 I honestly do not know why the fuq everything became so cheesy once firefly appeared in the story, making everything turned into a shitstorm, but people wouldn't mind as long as they make firefly one of the most broken characters
Shit character & plot + OP kit = good $$$
@@onedayiwillbegone2366 ikr? They literally degraded the trailblazer to a 100% memelord hypocrite that drools over FF from the get go (unearned) but is SuSpiCioUs of all other Stellaron Hunters and still hates Sampo for some reason even though the guy literally saved them and helped save Belobog and all his ''horrible crimes'' amount to some silly scams (vs FF/SAM who's known to be ruthless mind you)
I honestly would've loved if they did something that's actually interesting with FF because she does have potential, but in the end she ended up being just another no substance waifu.
Starrail is perfectly balanced as long as you don't count loli trash as "female characters" because if you consider 12 year old girls to be women then there's something wrong with your brain. The number of adult men in STAR Rail is 2 times the number of adult women and we need more adult women like Himeko for balance.
I'm starving in Starrail. I have no one to pull, because of your Husbando. I need grown women, not children or men
I’m holding out hope that Sunday from HSR will start a huge change. I haven’t looked at exact statistics, but just looking around different social medias shows you that people are HYPED for this man. If Sunday’s banner proves lucrative, this may be the start of something more diverse
we dont need your diversity
I hope your Husbando fails. I don't need another year filled with cloned feminine anime boys.
I'm a guy and if he works the way I'm told he does I'm getting him, probably with money. Also because he was right.
@@yaelz6043 I don't understand why developers who have dreamed of making anime boys won't just give up female characters? Back in HI3 they dreamed of adding male characters, but the players didn’t allow them. In Genshin they did their best and made Genshin the number 1 anime boys game, but they still want to sell female characters too
His social media likes are nothing compared to firefly in china or jp, and raiden has less likes than heizou so social media likes are nothing anyways. He will sell very well, but def not more than acheron or firefly.
My only issue with waifu/husbando gachas is that despite how insane people are about "ntr", the games don't even lean at all into relationship mechanics with the characters, at most you get a water thin affection or friendship system, yet everyone goes crazy when male characters exist. As always the loud and vocal weirdos set the tone for everyone else...
Exactly they just friends bcoz all of them bitches mine
Neuvillette is a great example of how to do a male character right. Amazing design, likeable character, great marketing, huge story significance, absurdly powerful. And his banner sold really, really well.
Also helps that he's one of the best DPS in the game that can clear floor 11 and 12 on his own.
And he's a Dragon and Chinese look up their dragons highly.
Only Possible if a Gacha game starts off showing that it has male and female characters.
Sunday
Don't lie neuvillette banner didn't sell well, it was his next rerun when people realised how broken is he then they start pulling him, even with that tho his banner still sold atl "average " at best
I remember an art competion in epic seven where a male art ended up winning and the whole community start hating on the artist and try to cancel his prize, the devs ended up disqualifying the artist for a stupid reason and he give up on making arts for the game.
Fr. could you drop the link or website?
wtf....
Yep, sounds like peak inceI rage
That's fucked.
I'm kind of glad I stopped playing that game if the devs seriously caved to their vocal side of their fanbase for that reason.
Quite ironic for a game like FGO, widely known to genderswap its characters for whatever reason because "waifu", to be respectful of the male characters they produce. You're talking about Oberon from a story standpoint, but know also that he's one of the best supports in the game given how crazy powerful he can make other characters.
FGO men are built different and aren't that lacking
I still find myself wishing less males were genderbent but I do appreciate the ones we get. The most recent one Huang Feihu is pretty likeable in my opinion. Plus, Tametomo scratches the mech suit itch for me the way Firefly does.
FGO has great men, but let's not pretend like the game does not have it's own issues with men. They don't have swimsuit variants( only costumes), they suffer from getting drop rates( Arjuna alter took 2 years originally and Iskandar took 4 to get one after the zero re-run) in comparasion to the girls that get a re-run once a year at least and their releases can dwindle by extreme ammounts at times....you mentioned Oberon, well here is a neat fact for you, the year he came out only had 4 men( Oberon included) released in the WHOLE YEAR...this year in JP much of the same with only 5 currently.
@@firestarsantos7467 I thought Arjuna Alter not getting a re-run for a long time was because he's so busted?
But I'm happy that I got him earlier this year in JP when he got a re-run, never know when another one will pop up.
@@firestarsantos7467 yeah, but when they do made males, they are mostly awesome. The females however even though they are much more then the males, they mostly hit or miss in term of characterization.
(I am male) I like to play the game from third-person perspective so I dislike the terms waifus and husbandos both. I want characters to have meaningful relations with others of the cast and not always salivate over the mc. I get one or two characters but everyone loves the mc? Hate that.
Well said.
I don't "hate" what you mention exactly, but it's really strange how often that seems to happens. Like, surely some of the female characters in Nikke should be going crazy over Anderson or Mustang? Not just the MC Commander?
Same
Amen bro, never got the hype around those cringe ass phrases
@@NeoSaturos123 I think it's also to mean that the avatar meant to be a self-insert is also somewhat treated as a "character". I also use such a point of view, where I somehow dissociate myself from even the self-insert because I'm unable to imagine myself inserted in the story. In my case, it's more like me creating a self-insert OC in the story than actually putting myself
i don't get why star rail is so scared to release screwllum as a playable character when it's proven that in zzz, someone like von lycaon can sell well
@@lillyie I remember when the game came out my original plan was to save for Kafka and Screllun, cause I thought hed release in year one. A year and a half later and he's nowhere to be seen 😭
He was supposed to be in 1.6 but Ratio ended up replacing his banner according to leaks
And as for now, he isn't a major story character but Hoyo already planned big plot with him digging Rubert's tomb
Honestly probably a good thing he didn't release earlier. Hopefully he's given a good kit so he sticks around for a while without being power creeped.
i want him so bad 😭
uh because its not his time yet?
I genuinely think that Boothill is going to have a bigger role later on in the story, his insane backstory with the ipc tells me that at some point he's going to have a big role with something to do with that, they can't cook so hard with a backstory and not do something with it later, that plus the fact he's been appearing more (wardance event and 2.6) I feel like they're trying to make him feel mysterious but also trying to get us to like him for when his arc starts
This isn't copium I swear
I SWEAR
PLEASE
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PLEAAASSESEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
ILL KILL MYSELF IF THEY FORGET ABOUT HIM 😭
No I get it, I also geniunely think he's going to be a bigger part of the story once the IPC get even more relevant probably when Oswaldo finally shows up is when Boothill will shine the most since that is the person he's after
@@ishashifar YEAH please Hoyo it'd be so satisfying seeing him actually get his revenge
ME AND YOU BESTIE, ME AND YOU-
GIVE MY CYBORG MAN MORE SCREENTIME, HE DESERVES ITTT
@@Random_Hooman I NEED MORE OF HIM SO BAD
THEY SAY SUNDAY FANS SUFFER THE MOST BUT HE HAD A WHOLE ARC AND THEN SOME, US BOOTHILL FANS ARE STUCK WITH CRUMBS 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
By the way, it’s funny that she is so concerned about Husbando, who earned nothing, and at the same time they cast aside Acheron, who earned 100 million for them.
Acheron should be the main character of the game, judging by her earnings
I love Star Rail, but I'd like some more male characters with story and decent designs. I kinda quit Zenless because the water balloon jiggle physics was distracting. By "distracting" I don't mean it in an aroused way. Like, you wanna tell a story but here comes skintight water balloons! Sexy character design is fine, great even, but there is a point to which it just becomes discount softcore.
Sadly that's Exactly the Audience they want.
Same in Wuwa.
Their tights and chest jiggles like a entire body is just like waterbaloons. I quit playing, because only characters I could play were male Rover, 5 star standart military male (forgot his name), Verina and 4 star mad scientist. And the game kept freezing 10-20 seconds. And Shorekeeper has a worst design, she literally walks around in her lingerie lazy to change apropriate clothes. Girl, you are in apolicyse era, not in a strip club.
@@anetepaulakrinicka7830 We left the Apocalypse long ago when they rewrote the story. We just so happen to be in an Apocalypse.
Also. To make things worst Storekeeper isn't even Human. Just a Guardian that Rover Made in his past life. Which is also in love with him.
I love my Wife. 💕
Recipe to ruin a great female design is to overdo it. In Wuwa there are some fantastic designs like Jinhsi and Camellya, but do I need to see Yinlin's bouncing fruit baskets in my face every time I do her ultimate? Nah.
ZZZ kind of offended me when I saw Yanagi for the first time. Like, come on! She would have looked just fine had you toned it down a bit (like Nicole pre-release) but we gotta make money somehow, I guess.
@@silverhawkscape2677 thank god they cater to real customers lol.
Another problem is Dottore is hated, but Ruan Mei is loved by fandom. They both are written as mad scientists with cruel experiments.
I swear, if you simp/like Dottore, people gonna send death treats and harass you for liking him. But on Ruan Mei, no, because she is a waifu.
I swear, if Dottore was a woman, people would forgive just like how they forgive on Ei for turning Inazuma into torture over 500 years.
Ruan Mei is functionally lovable and even waifu-able if you completely ignore her character story and only focus on everything else about her. She has a pretty lady design, she's a genius whose rare buff in Simulated Universe turns the game so in your favor it is laughable, and is a support who boosts the damage your team does and helps suppress enemy actions in a turn-based game where each side gets to have actions. But all of that belies the fact that she is an emotionless bitch who does not love or have empathy for the things she creates, and uses you the player to clean up a mess that she started which incidentally is one of the weekly bosses of the game, a replica of GIANT SPACE DEATH BEETLE THAT CLONES ITSELF.
Do note, all of the favorable descriptive stuff I mentioned about her was stuff that players were being drip fed about her up until her release, so the image of Ruan Mei being a cool beauty genius was already sculpted in their head before the story came in to kick that pedestal down. And while there are people who still choose to brush over the rather unsavory parts about Ruan Mei, her place within the fandom is as of current "potential threat upon the cosmos, but she's still meta support", so people will still find a way to end up pulling for her (myself included).
I've seen people hate Ruan Mei as well, probably not to the extent like sending death threats like you said though (Genshin players are crazy).
I personally like both of them as characters because morally grey characters like them are rarer in both of their games: its refreshing from the happy go lucky characters.
Really? Cuz from what I've seen, it's usually the opposite as I see many people either defend or whitewash his crimes just cuz he's hot (and I should know cuz Collei is my favorite character in the game)
@@KrofisPlays Yeah it’s so ironic. Ruan Mei is one of Firefly’s best teammates in gameplay but if they met in story and Firefly found out about what she did, she would beyond HATE her and burn her to ashes.
Agree completely. I did pull for her but only behave she’s pretty much necessary for break teams.
Nah.will never forgive Dottore based on what he did to Collei.
As a PGR player I can say the men are usually handled very well, when they actually make one. Which doesn't happen often.
There's also some cool male NPCS like shorthalt and some of the politicians
Sorry bro, no time for a male character, it's time for another Liv variant 😎😎😎😎
@Sottoth
*Cue Uncle coming in to carry the fire team on his back, and Sleepy boy doing the same with the ice*
I think that most of the guys are npcs. Playable men are rare and few in between,but I like all of them
Tbf, while still giving fanservice, the "waifu" are not their selling point
I agree with the video but I would suggest Star Rail slowly gets better with the male designs. Boothill got some crazy metal body, and Dr. Ratio has a cool outfit inspired with ancient greece. I think its just going to be better. Gallagher is also original in my opinion because he has that restaurant/bar worker uniform thing going on. Most men still are kinda boring, but i want to give credit where its deserved. Especially with Dr. Ratio because hes very simple, but stands out regardless.
Idk what you're talking about 99% of star rail men wear jacket and pants. What design?
@@bulat9331 What do 99% of men wear IRL. Do you want them to wear short-shorts, yukata and Chiitan costumes? Ain't gonna happen, especially because people hate on any male design that deviates from gender norms and traditions (like Lyney from Genshin Impact)
and Boothill was actually pretty damn important in the story, without him the finale of Penacony could not have happened. Boothill is a male character done right.
@@shib9164Male fashion out side of casual and formal wear leans more on their job more than individual fashion. So lean into to it.
@@shib9164 I mean.. hsr is literally in space? why all the characters are just humans or humans with some animal features.. like.. where is the imagination? also Luofu female characters are basically just same dresses with different colours. Male characters seem to buy their pants from same shop too. female characters its either Luofu dress or short shorts. They all look good but I think it getting little repetitve. Even the new female general didnt wear actual pants lol. like cmoooon
15:16 some will go all out of their way to comment on male characters pv to say "its a guy i won't pull" like bro who asked 💀
But there r also a lot of ppl who comment on female chars that they wont pull simple bc theyre a women esoecially on twitter. So this goes both ways
@mimik2829 I've never seen that happen anywhere but twitter.
fr esp sunday and jiaoqiu, let our boys shine their own. even i found a guy whos angry that he needs to pull jiaoqiu for his acheron lmao.
@@mimik2829The other side is more common. Incels constantly diss male characters and say they won't pull because they're not waifu.
@@mimik2829 I feel like this is done in retaliation to all the waifu-addicted people who act like male characters shouldn't be in the game. We've been hurt before by games such as HI3 so if it means we go to war to defend the existence of husbandos then I'd say it's justified.
If the male character enjoyers got treated better then there'd be no reason to hate on the waifus.
Recently Honkai Star Rail released the drip marketing for Sunday, and it got more engagement on social media than even Firefly's drip marketing back in the day, which is utterly UNBELIEVABLE.
If this engagement turns into banner sales, we might have a husbando actually OUTSELL a waifu in a gacha game.
Hoyoverse would make history.
Massive copium, but he will sell well indeed. Jing yuan is still the most popular male in cn btw. So he might sell well actually.
I've never interacted with HSR but MAN I knew more about Sunday and didn't even know Firefly was a Hoyo character until I saw like a few mentions of her online
The same thing happened with Itto in Genshin. His engagement on Twitter was way higher than Raiden. His sales didn't come anywhere near his. The problem with social media engagement is its dominated by women, and it doesn't translate into profits
To quote what Twins Iink said once , the majority of the male characters from gacha are often your favorite taste of butter , there's nothing differing from the standart formula and that can be said about not only about design but also from a story perspective , they're mostly just there , the devs don't give them as much attention as the female characters and their designs dont stand out cuz they're so similar one to another , so far i think FGO is literally the one gacha with equal more treatment between the two genders of characters and ironically that game IS a waifu game , with all the common raunchness you would expect from it
To Love and Deepspace: Yes! China players in cases of Honkai Impact 3rd DO despise men, but in that case we're talking about waifu collecting gooners. Love and Deepspace however, IS a Chinese game.
And Hoyo DOES have a successful otome targeted at women called Tears pf Themis. Sadly, it's not well known with most people who play games like Star Rail.
A LOT of really high earning Gachas in China are in fact dating sims targeted at woman, such as Love and Deepspace, TOT but also titles like Light and Night (Only available in China) or Mr Love, etc. Chinese women go crazy for men. I'm not gonna be surprised when even more Chinese otome titles targeted at woman will spread into the west in the coming years
Anyways, I have Boothill and he's hot. Save a horse, ride a cowboy.
@@SeiichirouUta
First and foremost, you say "I don't want to play Otome" then why are you here complaining about an otome that isn't even targeted at players like you?
TOT is a classic Otome. Nearly every other otome both in and outside of China is like the way you descibed. If you wanna run around and take screenshots, play Genshin.If the gaming format is not your style, don't blame the game.
I've been playing TOT consistently for 3 years now, even though I take regular breaks with other Hoyo games. I've spent more money on TOT than on Genshin. The boys are well written, there's beautiful art and the updates regularly strive to have TOT keep up with new otomes.
So yes, Mihoyo DOES make games specifically targeted at women and they care about these boys (see: literally all the merch and the boys being presented at the MHY hq in Shanghai with other characters). Just because you don't like the game, doesn't mean it's shit.
@@SeiichirouUta hoyo games are mostly story driven and so is thears of themis, sorry if u dotn enjoy the story for what is it (personally think its rather good) then theres nothing to look in there for u, its a good side game (if u ignore events) as in u do dailies and log out
love and deep space should be called the most stingy game in history, as a player myslef i am getting more and more tired, thanks game for the 10 limited pulls to pull on a character i dont want or for it to completly go to waste, bc u cannot give crystals as a reward so people could save right
@@raywa5821 well I guess it IS a tactic to get people to pull on current banners, but at the same time it's better than most other gacha games who give you absolutely nothing ig 💀😭
@@SeiichirouUta huh bro "So please stop putting words where I didn't write them." you said you don't want to play otomes but you then complained about it having all aspects of being an otome knowing it's an otome but also that it's boring. Calling a game boring and saying the devs don't care about malecharacters equals to me, that you're calling it shit lmao
Also it's sadly just our reality that most action based games are targeted at men, while romance games are targeted at women. I, too, hope this would change, but seeing how much Asian women are spending on otomes, it's quite unlikely lol
While I don't know anything about game coding, I never got the impression for it to be cheap.
What do you find cheap about it?
In Korea and especially in China there literally thousands of game fans are protesting many gacha games when they trying to add male characters. Sometimes it ends with threats and real life harassment or attacks, with review bombing, etc. And those markets are usually biggest for Gacha games of new era (as previously most gacha games were Japan-only or Japan+Global).
It looks like there are lots of incels in Korea and China on the news lately protesting and complaining about all sorts of issues to do with women, so I wouldn't be surprised if this sexist ideology is contributing to the current gacha market too.
Agree show me the gacha MEN!
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Not a Husbando enjoyer by any means, but disparity in characters designs can lead to games looking stagnant, at least from a visual standpoint. and like you said, if that's what the design team wants and that's their vision that is a 100% okay, but dammit when the majority of devs all seems to share the same vision with 0 variety, something has clearly gone amiss
I literally can't visually tell waifu gachas apart so I never started playing any of them. Thats probably saved me from gacha addiction
This is so true. Azure Lane is a successful waifu game bc it's true to its marketing. But when a gacha game aims to cater to a wider audience by introducing both male and female characters, they shouldn't betray expectations of one portion of the fanbase in favor of the other.
I'm someone who enjoys both waifus and husbandos, but admittedly I prefer male designs and characters (i'm a seriously deranged otome enjoyer and have played a myriad of dating sims LaDS included). I'm f2p, so perhaps my voice isn't going to be as large as those who can use money to turn the tide, but I completely agree. Plenty of men hating male players had yelled at Kurogames to stop making male characters (in regards to both WuWa and PGR). Which I think Kurogames does pretty well with Male character design and story. I don't get why we can't have both male and female characters be equally treated. It's not like women dislike waifus. In fact, women LOVE waifus. Most women ARE the ones drawing those waifus that male players swear by. So I don't understand why women can't ALSO have husbandos when gachas like PGR/WuWa, HSR, GI, etc. literally PROMOTE the fact they provide both. I'm ngl, sure Hoyo did make Tears of Themis, but ToT is nowhere as successful as LaDS, and even in an otome gacha game meant to target the audience they're neglecting, the main guys aren't even mind blowingly hot or well written at some points. I wish gachas were like before. Other than Brave Frontier, there were other gachas i enjoyed, like Unison League, Puzzles and Dragons, Kings Raid, and more, that had a good amount of high quality male designs and stories. The only few games that I know with comparable male-female ratios that persist today would be Epic 7 and Arknights, both games I have a bit of a love/hate relationship with, not because of the characters provided, but because they're way too grindy. PGR, HSR, WuWa, etc are in a position where they can capitalize on the husbando market, specifically BECAUSE it isn't as grind heavy and very casual-friendly. Again, to end this off, I'm the kind of sick degenerate who's into both waifus and husbandos and prefer gachas only to pull for them over whether their meta or not, but I'd definitely like to see my husbandos get the same treatment as my waifus in terms of technical kits, story, and design. (side note: I'm such the opposite of you, Bladimir. I'm a sucker for suits. But you are right in saying there's too many.)
The day an actual gacha masc character gets a slvtty outfit but with a buff bear body model is the day I can happily break my f2p record. Let the men be sltty too gacha developers!
@LilySiti not only slvtty, but equal romance and lore writing that females get please. Firefly got a very wholesome and heavily romanced scene with MC in HSR. Same with Yinlin, Shorekeeper, and now the new resonator coming out. All of them have very clear romantic or sexual interest in MC in WuWa. None of the men even get close to the mc in wuwa, but a heartfelt talk between Jiyan. I feel like that's another reason why men fail in banners, they practically give everyone bare bone reason to be attached to them in those regards. I think that's why sunday is doing so well, people like his character not just his design.
as someone who is Bisexual and heavily lean to female characters, the lack of male character pulls me out of the lore or story because it feels to unrealistic to my taste. not that its impossible for world to have more females than males but the near lack of male pale presence make the world feel artificial to me. Its even ruin some of the harem fantasy, the girls don't like me or the male avatar because they developed the bond, but because their the only character they can form a bond with. Its like the choose one trope but to an absurd degree.
Its why i have more respect for dating sims games. Majority of the time the female cast is indifferent tot he male character till time and eventual bond is made. Its still a fantasy so don't get me wrong but its at least doesn't take my suspension of disbelief and strangle hold it.
This is sort of a mood, but I'm also someone who actually just can't identify with explicit player inserts and would rather see them as distinct characters. I think I'm just interested in character interactions amongst each other more.
I agree with this. It feels so weird to approach a world where the gender ratio doesn't make sense. Like the Sons of Calydon in Zenless Zone Zero is 2 little girls, 2 older girls and 1 cool guy in the gang. Gangs (from what I know) dont' really function like that and it just seems weird to have a single guy just be there in what is essentially just a girl gang. I feel like it should be more balanced with gender or it should just be one gender to really give the impression that it is a girl biker gang, not a girl biker gang + 1 guy they found.
Also in lots of the promotional material the guy (Lighter) is just not included at all so it feels even more like he's intruding on a sisterhood. Maybe that allows the waifu-enjoyers to just pretend he's not there? idk
@@InfinitySevens your not alone. If want delt insert fantasy then I rather play RPG game where I make the character or dating sim. Otherwise let the world be its own thing and not players play ground.
I thinks it's because of the lack of design modern male gacha game characters (twink/pretty boy) and perhaps even the lore also personality. I've been playing FGO NA and JP, people still want male characters regardless you're a waifu enjoyer.
Honestly it's because modern gacha players are allergic and companies like hoyo doesn't know how write good male characters. In FGO, people was hyped when Super Orion, Oberon, Constantine IX, Charlemagne, etc when they were first released. This whole thing only applies to newer gacha fandom, the old ones doesn't have this issue.
Edit: Just Finished the video, glory to Destiny Child
@@novaaltreaz7307 Old fandoms were a lot more chill about the gender thing. Next banner is a girl? Cool, are they cute/hot? Oh next is a guy? Cool, are they cool/handsome? And yeah writing for modern male characters is a massive problem. Most games don't even try anymore.
Destiny Child my beloved, you will be missed ❤️
Well Hoyo does know how to write good male characters. They did it in HI3.. tho the male characters were never playable and will never be playable but still.
Wasn't biggest critique of Genshin pre Fontaine that Mihoyo can't write women? 😭😭
I mean there's nothing wrong with twink pretty boys really...
Hoyo can't write in general (I'm over exaggerating but they couldn't t keep a character consistent even if their lives depended on it)@@stooroosk
I never cared for Firefly. I was mostly interested in the "mystery" of Penacony until she's got in the way and sidetracked the whole thing. I knew Hoyo was making a big deal about her and Acheron which I didn't give a shit about but they were pushing them down my throat. Ultimately Penacony "mystery" was a letdown and the the only 2 characters they cared about annoyed the crap out of me.
So true
I think it's a bit of a shame because I was really excited for Firefly and even pulled for her but then they went all out on canonizing the 'relationship' which felt like a bit too much? Like, we're just going to get a new waifu a few patches later so why bother pushing one in particular in the story when ultimately it won't matter and we'll forget about her.
Starrail is perfectly balanced as long as you don't count loli trash as "female characters" because if you consider 12 year old girls to be women then there's something wrong with your brain. The number of adult men in STAR Rail is 2 times the number of adult women and we need more adult women like Himeko for balance.
I'm starving in Starrail. I have no one to pull, because of your Husbando. I need grown women, not children or men
@@angmar87 uhhh you mean adult women model? There's a whole lot of character that above like 20+ but has avarage female model. And you want the "mommy" model? Seriously
@@Ucikkkkkkk Yes, because they look like real female characters, not lolis disguised as women. Chinese gacha games are simply chock-full of this loli trash
honestly surprised you didnt mention more of the the solo gender gachas. any with just men or just women and how they compare to each other. theres so many horrible moments too, like when love live (all girls) was going to have a collab and every man FREAKED the fuck out at the IDEA that they were going to talk to a guy
That's one of the reasons I love Reverse 1999 so much. While male characters are in minority, they all look very unique and interesting. A dope biker, cool old man, an italian gangster, a nerd, a BIRDMAN.
Love love love this game.
I love Reverse 1999, and playing since launch. I agree that yeah most character in reverse 1999 are female (And be Lesbian) But when a male character is added they also get the quality treatment right, with the design like there isn't a single bad character design in the game, So everyone is equal but still has that bias of Female character better than male one. But Reverse 1999 does it the best out of any gacha game.
Second to Limbus company but that's heavily debatable, Since you can only play 12 Sinner (Character), 6 males and 6 females character (Exsclude Charon, Vergilius and Dante since they arent playable) and the gacha is for diferent version of the character (ID), each character get their own moment even when the story isn't focus on them.
I can't keep playing the game, but I do agree it's a very unique design and I was very excited to play it day one. I'm glad to see people still happy with it. They deserve it.
Ehh that's just another Honkai type game where 90 characters are female and 10 are male
lol
They have good writing and design so not quite honkai
The fact that Medicine Pocket (which canonically refers to themselves as they/them) exists in Reverse:1999 is such an amazing move from them too. The masc:femme characters ratio in the game is a bit sad to look at but at least they quality and marketing for either are equal
What happens to me was I was ready to spend money to get xiangli yao then turns out he's free. I'm happy and wants to wait for the next male characther to spend on because i want to show that male characther do sell. But 2 patch later and still no men while kuro really tried to sell the waifus as romantically as possible to the player and tbh it turns me off.
I do wonder why won't mix gender games also makes the male characther head over heels for the player? It saves them from making people thinks the NTR stuff. Or is it just because male players thinks its gay??
It is rumor there will be an new male in 2.1
I'm just gonna stop pulling for waifus after camellya. With her I'll have enough complete teams for meta gaming and won't feel the pressure for a long while. Time to tell them loud and clear 80/20 split is not okay.
As shaby as fgo is as a game, it apsolutely demolishes most gachas in terms of writing men (and writing in general tbh). And idk how well it holds up but I think the male to female ratio was around 1:2. And even this is bc only female characters get new swimsuit varients while men get just costumes (the pain is real) so that further amps the numbers of playable waifus.
That an unfortunately, the releases of men has dwindle overall over time....The year LB 6 came out we had 4 men..... all year and this year in JP, we have only 5 men currently...it sucks when a summer event has more waifus than the entire years male population in certain years...some years, we are blessed with plenty and some they are has barren has a wasteland.
Gbf does it better still
honestly half the reason i dropped zzz is because they're allergic to making male limited s-ranks/5 stars/whatever they're called. i wish more gachas would cater to men-likers without being dating sims, every gacha out there has an abundance of waifu characters. (good video btw i agree with your points)
I started cause one is coming after basically a patch (2 half patches in reality).
@@lants420 Yeah I wish the gender ratio was more even, but I'm glad that the few men we do have are well designed, fun/good, and are treated well in the narrative. And thanks, glad you enjoyed the video :)
the game got released like 3 months ago so that's normal. also they literally announced 2 males characters already and it garranteed that one is an S rank
@@xXNaniPTXx i'm just used to genshin and hsr which had male limited 5 stars as early as 1.0, waiting this long for a limited s-rank male has kinda killed the hype for me personally.
We have love and deepspace for at least , though the mc is female, and I'm not aware of any gachas who have an all male cast that isn't targeted towards primarily women
Edit. : I forgot Obey Me! Existed 💀
We really need more Obey me's in the gacha scene , even though it IS a dating sim. I just appreciate the fact that the OM! mc isn't gendered which imo makes the intended audience much more inclusive if that makes sense?? Like yeah it's an otome , but its audience isn't strictly women due to the mc possibly being nb canonically
As a guy husbando collector, we are starwing😂
Starrail is perfectly balanced as long as you don't count loli trash as "female characters" because if you consider 12 year old girls to be women then there's something wrong with your brain. The number of adult men in STAR Rail is 2 times the number of adult women and we need more adult women like Himeko for balance.
I'm starving in Starrail. I have no one to pull, because of your Husbando. I need grown women, not children or men
@@angmar87 damn bro who hurt u
@@Andraskies Your Hoyo, who swore his eternal love for anime boys. If they are so in love with anime boys, then why didn't they make a separate game about them, like Deepspace? It's good that now there is a real Deepspace who took money from Hoyo and now they don't make anything from anime boys. Greedy developers got what they deserved. I hope Star Rail fails soon
@@angmar87 bro relax we get u like old women idc what hoyo releases but genshin and honkai star rail is a game for both genders, it's just that female characters sell well meaning they make more. Not jus cuz of deepspace it means we drop genshin and go love the men there, while yes its a dating sim and has a fighting system but it just doesnt feel like genshin where its open world and anime like bcuz if that was the case then stick to honkai impact 3rd, there's no male in the game, blue archive or zenless zone zero with a huge gender ratio gap instead of trashing a game that's meant for both sides to enjoy let ppl have their fun
@@Andraskies HOYO makes one new game every year. Why can't he make one game about their beloved anime boys and remove all this Otome trash from their other games?
Why does every HOYO game have to be 50% Otome and most of the female characters have to be loli and underage?
I wish to spread Limbus Company propaganda (there are exactly 6 main male characters and 6 female main characters)
6 playable males, 8 male mc if we count dante and vergil
Li,bus company always going their own rythm.
They really deserve love
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@@pineapple5175Dante's gender is unconfirmed in the game proper thus, despite being based on a male poet, should not count for the male/female ratio.
Also, there's Charon, which would make it 7 males/7 females/1 Dante in the bus.
...Arknights, this one game is the proof that you can create male charachters that people would want over waifu's.
Not femboys, not trap, male, charismatic, stylish men.
Also, this game has a ton of female characters that are fully covered even with oversized clothes but since the artworrks are incredible, their lore is amazing also, people tend to pull to have them instead of just sexy girls
What abt reverse 1999
@@abdulrahmanzubairu8371 they're pretty okay too tbh, as someone who played both.
Arknights is the one fanbase where I know CN fans actually place an uncle in their Top 3 favorite characters
Just look at Limbus Company, the rate of character is 50:50
There is 6 male and 6 female playable cahracter, each with their own personality and realy good interaction
6 Playable male character, 8 in total if we count Dante and Vergilius, While the female is 7 including Charon.
@@panjinurfadillah2489
Dante doesn't have a confirmed gender so it's more of a 1:1 ratio with Dante being the outlier.
@@GrayRavensHandler We love a nonbinary clockhead protagonist
I think the diverse and creative designs in Reverse 1999 are really well done, both for the female and male characters, like eg Getian (bird man) and 6 (who wears a Greco Roman robe) are unique designs esp considering the mostly flat silhouettes of male characters in gacha games
But still has more Females than males character, but atleast they arent getting worse treatment like otther gacha game, everyone in reverse 1999 is equal in term of design, Voice, And likable moment in the story.
@@panjinurfadillah2489 true, wish there was more of an even split since i like to collect both. I wonder if most ppl fall under either waifu or husbando collectors exclusively or if there is actually a sizable majority that like both equally
@@matchasketch8224I would imagine most like both, just like any cool characters, but those people are the quiet majority.
@@matchasketch8224 Since majority of any gacha player is Male, It's always gonna be more waifu collectors than husbando, Due to this bias a lot of gacha have so beautiful females waifu design compared to male one(They mostly have just a suit and that's it, nothing unique). But I Still hope Reverse 1999 have more Male focus character Next patch, And a straight romance maybe (The characters in reverse 1999 is all Gay, and European. Not that I am complaining, just need more variety)
@@panjinurfadillah2489 Although I like the character designs too, I'm also hoping for even more variety! Although I have to say A Knight is already very unique considering how most gacha that I know have playable characters with at least a face haha.
As a man who is a husbando collector, I'm so tired of the ratios being off. I played King's Raid for about 5+ years. They had a good balance of men and women, and treated them well(also both men AND women got fan-service skins).
I'd so responsibly spend money on men if gacha creators made and treated their male characters well. I plan to E0 S1 Adventurine on his rerun bc he's such a good character.
Also, games are sooo missing out on the queer community. Fellow mlm people will understand. There is rarely any sort of gacha catered towards players like me that isn't an otome game. The one game I can think of that is men oriented, which actually lets you be a male MC without unromantisizing certain parts of the story is The Tale of Food.
Man,I loved King’s Raid.Too bad that the devs ruined the game with that damn October 2022 nerf update and now it’s on the brink of EOS 😢
OOf I used to play king's raid. I miss my man roy.
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't R1999 also capitalize on himejoshis or just queer women in general as a secondary niche?
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My opinion on this is... that weeb culture in general forgot how to make cool masculine characters. Back in the day we had Kenshiro, Spike, Sesshomaru, Dio, Guts...
Since most of these gacha games take inspiration from already existing archetypes, it is not surprising that they´re very comfortable doing cool/attractive female characters, but fail to do the same with men since nowadays is all generic isekai dudes, femboys, teenagers that are terrified of being 5m from any female.
Fortunately there has been strives in masculine characters making comebacks as shows such as Baki Hanma and Blue Lock seem are incredibly popular for newer gen shows
@@PeruvianPotato Yeah there's a few of them fortunately (Thorfinn also comes to mind)... but the amount of popular/cool female characters outnumber male characters.
>Sesshomaru
>Masculine
Also women aren't exactly diverse in anime either, even less so than men despite there (usually) being more of them. Most of them are young, skinny, thin, with one of the several different anime archetypes of a personality. This applies even moreso to gatcha, where women are sold as objects of desire, and therefore can't exactly be "ugly" or (too) unlikable.
Also diversify your anime a bit, try Akudama Drive or Urusei Yatsura
@@annak3342 Sesshomaru being pretty doesn´t make him less masculine lol.
Yeah, I agree. Women aren´t really that diverse either. However there´s still more inspiration to make appealing female characters than male characters.
@@esaualfaro3447
Key word here is "appealing", being forced to be "appealing" limits female characters to begin with.
How often do you see really masculine, muscular or older women in anime? Ones that actually LOOK that way, with crow's feet, wrinkles, fat or actual musculature? The only reason there's more "inspiration" for female characters here is because there are inherently more waifu tropes. You're mostly complaining about male characters that are either made to be self-inserts, side characters who are meant to be non-threatening for the self-insert to not get feel like they're NTR'd, or men made to appeal to women, so not your target audience to begin with.
Wuwa males are very well designed, imo. Xiangli Yao is the best dps character in the game right now. I think Wuwa treats their men well, giving screen time, cool design, strong kits... they just don't do it often, sadly. It's hard to attract the male enthusiasts when hey aren't given the chance. I'm hoping Love and Deepspace will change that.
Sorry but he is not best dps. He is VERY good but Jinshi is the best. and they barely give screentime to male characters. where is Calcharo? we have only got companion quests (dates) with women lately. 1.4 seems like a waifu patch, no males even in the story content lmao.
Literally, there was a whole boycott and association of Genshin and Radical Feminism JUST because Genshin didn't released female characters for while in KR. Asia in general just seems to hate men in male target gacha game.
I am really not sure, I sometimes feel like the logic is "Why make male character when you can make female character with exactly same style and concept".
One of the main reasons I chose Caelus > Stelle.
Going in you just know there’s going to be a lack of representation. Sunday performing well financially may hopefully further push the door in the same way Neuvillette has done in recent memory.
Adding more men to gacha games could do wonders for the worldbuilding if they're actually written well, which is a whole other problem.
Except in Blue Archive, all the men are either robots or animals, and it's funny how it actually kinda works.
The world of Blue Archive is generally one big mystery that we're unraveling bit by bit, but it really is strange how every male character either is a robot, an animal, or some form of non-human, but all the women are at least humanoid, if not like 90% human. It really raises the question of what the population split is for Kivotos and if the population is even self-sustainable.
Blue Archive is a purposefully absurd setting. You're not supposed to ask why all the students are female, why Sensei is the only male in the Academy city, what happens when the students graduate, whether or not they actually have parents, why everyone though it was a good idea to let unstable teenage girls govern entire districts, and definitely not why the girls have halos which make them bulletproof.
All you can do is accept the absurdity of their world, and enjoy the surprisingly well-written plots despite of the absurd setting.
unless you're explicitly talking bloodlines, a story's world building is not dependent on male/female ratio. There are stories that have had very cool world building with very skewed ratio and the reverse is true.
@@Lynemn because the world of blue archive is a metaphor.
I didn't approach HSR with a PLAN to pull for husbandos (in fact started the game for Seele because she has a cool scythe), yet as of now I have every single playable man in this game (and guarantee for Sunday). I even picked up a few gremlins to support my husbandos better along the way. They're just making it really easy to skip and save, when every other female character is a half naked copy paste of the same mommy, idc how strong or meta they are.
Firefly's promo materials and how shoved she was down my throat during the story was actively repulsive and made me decide to never pull this character, not even as collection completionist angle. Which is honestly a shame because if she and Sam were separate characters, I most likely would go for Sam just to keep the meme alive.
Thank you for making a video on this. People in the community and even popular content creators blow off the concerns and mistreatment of the female audience and outright disrespect them, because they don't care. It doesn't affect them even if they put on a façade that they do care about issues like these. A content creator I use to watch was Tectone. I don't think he's a bad person, but it's clear he doesn't give a fuck about anything as long as it doesn't affect him. Like telling Kuro games to only focus on putting out female banners, which in turn we have seen how that outcome played out. Then when people, mainly female players were upset about the 1.3 wuwa update when Shorekeeper is forced into being a love interest for the mc just like Firefly was he openly says "The only people upset about that are stupid women with big tiddies". Disrespecting us and degrading us to sexual objects in one sentence, because the issues doesn't affect him. When that is the person who is the most influential and largest creator in the gacha space no wonder our issues will never be heard or taken seriously. So any video on this topic to spread the word of this issue further is greatly greatly appreciated. This isn't back in the early 2000s were it was rare to see women playing video games. It's VERY common to see women playing video games on the regular nowadays.
While I don't agree with the Love and Deepspace communities approach and rudeness to anyone who simply doesn't like the art style of the game. It's clear that its a response to previous harassment from men who harass the women playing love and deepspace, because love and deepspace is successful.
On top of male players when discussing the issue about the male characters say they don't want male characters in the game. They also don't want men to be sexualized, but are totally okay with women being sexualized. I'm not even a prude or a feminist. I'm totally okay with sexualized female characters. However as a woman that comment makes me feel so disgusted. It makes me feel unsafe. How in the world is it okay to sexualize female characters, but not okay to sexualize male characters. It's only okay when we sexualize the female characters. These communities more and more make me feel disgusted, because of the sheer amount of men who don't see us as humans, but as sexual objects and that's it.
What mistreatment? They don't even make the male focused gacha characters look good. Maybe you people are too ignorant that some recent gachas do attract female players to pull characters? You don't need to make them purely female, just look at zenless zone zero.
" sheer amount of men who don't see us as humans" like 1 man out of 10 or even 100, you mean? consider spending less time on social media? Whatever the topic, there will always be people with polarising opinions inserting their 5 cents, if you look at this discussions from a male perspective and focus on the stuff that might bother you as a man, you might get the impression that all female players of gatcha games are feminists who just *hate* you for simply liking pretty women who don't treat you like garbage, real or fictional, and overall if you focus on negativity you'll realize that some people will always treat you worse for being the gender you are, be you a man or a woman. That's not true, of course, most women players aren't like that, but that's the type of women who will speak up the most online. Same with men. I honestly never in my life heard from a man that he isn't okay with women gooning over male charcaters while also being okay with sexualizing female characters, I can only imagine it were some guys on twitter or something? I can assure you that that's not how majority thinks lol. Tbf I can only talk about western fans, no idea what's going on on east, as I heard about some guys actually protesting male characters, but I assume that's a loud minority type of thing
As for your particular complaint about Shorekeeper, as a rule of thumb female characters are made for men, and male characters are made for women in these kind of games, so I don't really see why they should change stuff because some women don't like her being a love interest for the mc, it's like if they made men in these games less hot because it bothers male players or something. Like how is this even a bad thing? It's not going to be taken seriously because it's not a serious problem, at least the way I see it, making someone fall in love with a man doesn't make them worse as a character. If you have some head canon regarding this character regarding her relationships or whatever, you are free to enjoy it anyway. Btw, people care the most about topics that affect them or their family/friends, it's just natural it seems. Like when someone talks about men's issues in public, it's usually a man, and when someone is talking about women's issues, it's usually a woman. Doesn't mean you don't have to care about anyone but you, but you can't blame people for caring *more* about the stuff that might affect them personally. Especially when it comes to stuff like video games where it's hard to tell when someone is just complaining for no reason like it always happens or if it's a real problem unless you personally experienced it. To me, personally, complaining about a female character being a love interest for the mc is a first world problem (aka not a problem at all), not to say that all complaints you might have are the same, but just this one if particular
What the hell are these double standards? Do you know how many female players play games like LaDs and then get upset over sexualized female characters? It's the most annoying shit ever. In my opinion idgaf what you like don't be a hypocrite, whichever side you are on. You play these games to look at attractive characters, so don't be a puritain about it.
@@AdvilUser Did you actually read my comment or are you fucking illiterate? I already said I don't care if female characters are sexualized. However when men aren't allowed to be sexualized, but females should have their tiddies being held back by a thin piece of cloth that's where I have an issue. Now that is hypocrisy.
Its also a whole other problem when the women being sexualized are real people and not characters.
LaDs is a direct counter to "males don't sell" because its clear by their success that they do. Which is a point I didn't even make in this comment. I simply said that the women in the love and deepspace community have been harrassed by men because of LaDs success.
Why don't you get some basic reading comprehension next time before you start speaking stupid, you actual troglodyte. I don't know which one it is if you got Tectone's dick so far down your fucking throat or your that pathetic that you see fictional men as competition for your fictional waifu. No matter which one it is. Sit down and shut up. You don't know what you're talking about. Actual moron.
The truth is, a male character can sell. The example is Neuvillette from Genshin Impact. He's male, but he's very meta (currently the strongest #1 DPS), strong, has good personality, good lore, he's important to the main lore, he's just perfect. And his banner sold very well. They just DON"T want to make male character in general. In Genshin Impact, Kinnich was the ONLY 5 star limited male character in 2024. It is so shocking that we got only ONE male 5 star character in the whole 2024 year that even Chinese players (who prefer female characters in general) are angry about it. The thing is, male characters can sell, because there are many female players who want male characters. And in general, male characters in gatcha games are very popular. For example, there is a game purely with all male characters and the game sold more than Genshin, Honkai and others games. In Genshin, they just don't make many meta wised male characters and they make female characters like a factory, to the point that many of them has the SAME PERSONALITY. The problem is huge.
>FGO gets mentioned once
>Gets praised incredibly well
>Refuses to Elaborate
>Leaves
Rare time FGO ever got away from the conversation without getting insulted at least once lmao
saying men don’t sale in gacha games when Granblue Fantasy’s male characters are more popular and they’re the reason why it’s gotten successful is funny
i think the ''man problem'' in games happens in lots of genres, i just finished cyber punk and the differnece between the female companions/ romances and male was VAST. females get cool stories, deep writing and the men romancables are so much shallower and added as an after thought. i think with the rise of more female gamers ( or atleast the companies recognising we exist and spend money too) means more thought put into the boys and thier stories :)
I want to see more overally sexualised, unrealistic ,naked ripped men with male jiggle pyhsics XD
may I introduce you to a game without this problem (I think) Cookie run: Kingdom. AND all the characters are unique + well designed to boot!
hardly even functions as a game to be honest
A well written story is also a part of it. Oberon from FGO is well loved and popular cause he is one of the best written characters and it aslo helps that he's a busted support
Look at Love and Deepspace and tell me men don't sell lmao
they do sell but companies just think its riskier so they dont bother
Arknights consistently has guys in the top 10 of their popularity polls. so I feel like they're doing something right, though I think part of it is that like Aventurine a lot of them are surrounded by good writing and also built up in advance of them actually debuting as playable characters.
Role diversity isn't really an issue either as most of the archetypes have male and female representation in that respect and a lot of the strongest picks in those groups are guys like Mlynar and Chongyue (Who are both crowd-clearing damage dealers).
yeah it's all quality. do you give your characters effort in design and story. I mean even if there are a lot of female characters in gatcha some of them suffer story-wise because of the 'must be in love with the MC' aspect.
I hope Sunday breaks banner records, it would be so awesome seeing a male character on the top, at least for a little bit
Honkai impact 3rd player here since hov arrival
Try just TRY to say adding male characters could be a very good thing and that the only waifu game was an early hoyo thing and that they HAVE to evolve and
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Very old player, I would vote for. But Chinese players would be upset somehow(even if only one girl is canonically interested in Captain. Lol)
Agreed even though we are supposed to be the captain @@GolgothianSylex
CN is upset because any man threat them, they think they Will take away the waifus (they dont take same sex relationship as serious as hetero) Global would get mad because threats the Yuri relationships
Then we have something like Limbus Company with 12 playable characters (6 male and 6 female, all desirable)
Oberon is literally one of the best male and meta characters in FGO. Although, I prefer Muramasa since "Shirou-face"
Funny, there's no male in genshin and Honkai that draw me in as much as males in FGO. I only waifu collector in Hoyo games, while FGO, hmmm Munenori Yagyuu go swing
FGO has a solid gender ratio of badass men and women
Thanks for speaking up about that, as sad as it is, when women talk about problems like that, we're told to "stop complaining" or "play something else then, this game isn't for you". I've played WuWa since launch and I've had sooo much fun with it, but if you want to play as male characters you're basically screwed. Lingyang, Yuanwu and Aalto are characters I see anyone barely use, Jiyan was quickly replaces by Jinshi in many players' teams the next banner because of her crazy dmg + she got the whole main story focused on her, in the next update, but ok, lets be fair, I still see people use Jiyan in teams with Mortefi, who's also used not infrequently, but it's still not as frequent as many other female characters. And then there's Calcharo who not only haven't appeared in the story yet, but got replaced in terms of combat in 4 months by another male character - Xiangli Yao, who was given for free, so there's no reason not to use him. Havoc male Rover has really good dmg, but he's optional so you could just not have him on your account. So, basically, out of 8(vs16) characters, people only consistently use 3-4.
Also, this is a problem with WuWa in general, but their dsigns look boring (for me personally, I already know all the arguements against this claim, that's just my opinion) so I hope they won't just put every future male character in suits... I still think Genshin has one of the most well designed male characters, you have more variety in their designs that aren't just "suit 1, suit2, suit 3". Venti's design is still one of my favourites of all time, not just in Genshin, but in ANY anime game. Granted, it still sufferes from the fact that the developers are too afraid to make any characters look more than 30 years old and less than stick figure skinny (with SOME exceptions that started happening like what, 2 years after game's launch?), even though some of them like Zhongli or Neuvillette would've been so much better if they looked older, like 40+ AND it still has some tall model male characters in just... suits, but they still have variety. Also male Rover in WuWa feels like the most copy-paste isekai harem protagonist №32783287, while Aether has such a unique design compared to many-many male protagonists in anime, if he was a banner character, I would've considered pulling him just bacause of his design.
Correction women aren’t special. If you complain people will tell you those same things regardless of your gender. There is no misogyny here they will say this to everyone
Firefly is funny because everything they did to make her so popular is what made her one of my lease liked characters in the game. I fully stand behind that she should've been a one off character that died in 2.0
Also Aether Gazer fucking hurts. At this point I don't even know why they had playable men in the first place when they're such a complete afterthought 99% of the time. I feel like it's pure cope hoping that even just one prime mod will be male.
At least FEH has a pretty decent gender split last I able to check(It's hard nowadays with the sheer number of characters) plus characters like Ike are consistently some of the best in the game when a new alt for them comes out. The only place it really falls flat is the writing. We still have never gotten a free male companion oc and the men, with minor exceptions, are usually the weakest written characters.
I think Reverse 1999 did a good job with a character called 6. He's considered a must pull for the game and his abilities made him quite valuable. He might be power crept by another character in the future from what I heard but he is one of the most versatile. His story in game is interesting as well. The ratio is heavy towards women too but the male characters do have niches that I use. Arknights like you said also has a good roster but yeah there are a lot of suits...
I like the male character designs of Reverse. Especially A Knight.
I also like 6's story. Especially his part in 1.9.
But the game not only targets men, but lesbians as well.
Atleast I read somewhere that Bluepoch tries to make games intended for women who are interested in women.
This would also kind of explain why so many Reverse girls are either gay, or atleast seem gay.
As someone who enjoys various flavours, from a woman inside a TV to a bug-limbed man, Reverse: 1999 and Limbus Company are my go-to buffet for well-designed and well-treated male and female characters
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Another thing to note is that while women DO get more attention in theses games its not exactly good attention. For example, I realize that while looking at the character archives in Star Rail, none of the women are wearing pants. At most skin tight thigh highs/leggings. Also, the women are all feminine, like incredibly feminine. Where as in genshin for example, there's some feminine men, like kaye, linny, and kavah. Also a lot of women don't get stories that are as interesting as male stories. For every Furina there's like 3 Barbras who just aren't fun or cool characters. This is because they don't actually care about female representation. They want money and its easier to do that with women because we're already seen and treated as products by most media. Great video btw
@Rpground Someone with an mlp profile pic is calling me woke??? Mlp??? All the girls' main cast, literally about the power of friendship, has multiple episodes about celebrating people's differences, show???
OMG bro, you know that you are the problem right?
if someone with your line of thinking gets into a position were they can do change, the game will fail... is a garanty that the game will lose money, these moral cruzades don't belong in gatcha games.
WHO cares about female representation, the goal of the bussiness is to make money and content for the people who pay for it, how you can't undestand this? why can't people like you undestand that you are not the majority, that is why games that try this shit FAIL.
>women wear women's clothes in east Asian media and that's a problem
BRUH
@MALICEM12 do you think East Asian women don't wear pants?
@MALICEM12 Also, I meant their outfits are incredibly sexual for like no reason. Wasn't there backlash from the Japanese genshin company because Ei dresses kind like hooker instead of a noble goddess? (What she's supposed to be)
idk who thought gacha games are by nature wifu games since male centered gacha games with long shelf lives have always been a thing too. it’s just another case of ignoring what the majority of women would like and undermining how much money they WOULD spend. there’s no need to spend money when you’ve gotten like 6 patches without having to spend a single gacha currency.
Touken Ranbu is such a good example of this and technically it's not even a husbando game; its target audience are history nerds T-T
Gacha games tend to have phenomenal designs for women. That streetwear ninja girl is a perfect example. It's lewd and cool all at once. I think male characters also deserve more love, but I never know what people want out of a man. I'm not attracted to men, and I don't think they're as cool. For someone who DOES find men hot, what kinds of men do they want? Will women/gay guys simp and whale for male characters in the same way?
For me personally, someone who prefers male characters, I really want more buff male characters with facial hair.
Male characters like Aventurine or Dr. Ratio I can see having their respected fan base and have no issue with.
But when you're in a gatcha game with a crazy ratio desparity between male and female characters who all generally have that pretty Asian beauty standards... I just want a buff cool male. Hence, my love in Star Rail is Gallagher despite being a 4* unit with honestly not that much screen time.
For fgo/ fate example Napoleon, Caligula and Lucius Longinus are my favourites that comes to mind.
In general, women tend not to prefer super buff guys. It's actually mostly men who like to see the ultra masculine characters. I'm a woman and I personally do not find it appealing at all. With HSR I'd say Gallagher is the upper limit. Some women are exceptions, but that's on average. Aventurine or Sunday are perfect in my opinion.
That's part of the reason why so many gacha characters are pretty boys, because those designs do really well with women. Especially in Asian markets. Kpop boy groups are massively popular for a reason.
We also absolutely simp and whale for the men.
I just like a masculine presenting guy with a massive case of gap moe where he's allowed to be soft and oddly cute despite his appearance, yea know, that gentle giant stuff?
So far Arknights is showing some promise with the male to female ratio with a good amount of 6 star male characters, but not enough to close the gap. At least we're getting Logo and Ulpi who are both 6 star characters soom so they understand there is a market for male characters!
Ulpipi is based, all the abyssal hunters are really.
@@whitewall2253 Praying to gacha gods that I can earn enough for Ulpipi. If not I'm just gonna wait for standard banner bc Logos took all my funds T-T
As much as a love PGR and ZZZ, I wish they would release more men. PGR has proven multiple times that they CAN write men, and make their designs interesting, however, every 6 months they release another male character while women are constantly released. As for ZZZ, they can clearly design men interesting too, but don’t do it the same for women. The men are more experimental while all the women are designed to be “cute” or “sexy”. It gets even worse when you try to criticize those points and people tell them “go play otome games!” When they just aren’t interested in that genre and they prefer combat games, and just want the devs to listen to them for once.
(This isn’t a breakdown of the story since I finished this chapter in December when it released, and now my memory is hazy about it)
In PGR, my favorite stories are Spiral of Chronos and Cradle Parade, Spiral of Chronos focusing on a male character; I consider this chapter to be one of the best written as not only do I find it heartbreaking, but it constantly kept me on my feet. Lee, the main character of this chapter, is quite already well written, and he goes through way more character development. This frame (Hyperreal) having differing personalities compared to Entropy and Palefire. While in those frames he was grumpy and unapproachable, in this one, he’s a lot softer and communicates with his feelings way more. Pgr clearly proves that they can write stories featuring its men, but just chooses not to since a majority of the cast is women, and women is what they almost always release.
SHOW ME MENNNNN!!! (Female here)
Destiny Child (RIP the english version of that, it was incredibly F2P friendly with a great soundtrack, artwork, and pretty neat little character sidestory feature for what it was) only had a few male character cards but i loved the way all of them looked. it had a fan service feature that would give you buffs if you left your favorite cards in a hot springs and the male character cards werent exempt from this.
i played that game every day for 1 whole year before i quit it and the issue was that none of the powerful cards in the game were male characters, they were all mid level power cards that you would never use on anything that wasnt a beginner or starter team. because the game was generous with giving away free gacha pulls and guaranteed high rank pulls system if you rolled too many times without a good card appearing, you soon wouldnt use them. you literally would only keep them to collect them. it made me question, what was the point of even adding them in the first place?
it's not like i ever met another female player who played DC, the male cards in that game were clearly designed to appeal to women but it never had any fandom around it because all the other fujos were busy being obsessed with genshin etc. and of course all high power cards were waifus, there was no equal power male character equvalent so such fandom couldnt be cultivated. why did they have ANY male character cards in the game to begin with? even went so far as to make "bathing" fan service graphics and backstory quests for them but not have them have any utility or purpose? it just seems weird.
EDIT: I WAS LISTENING TO YOUR VIDEO WHILE TYPING THIS COMMENT OUT AND YOU SHOUTED IT OUT JUST AS I HIT POST @ 17:30
The problem with gacha gamers are they treat the game like a dating "waifu/husbando" simulator... i.e If men pulled for male character, they thought they were gay... I once asked if I was gay because I pulled male character... LIke what??? Bruh I grew up reading berserk, vagabond, samuraix, dragon ball, etc ofc I prefer to play as a badass male character as my main/DPS... I don't want to play as a girl... It's an Action "Role" Playing Game not a Barbie or Dating Simulator the game...
thissss lol. I think this is also why a lot of male loving female players are actually just as comfortable with getting female characters despite also wanting more males too.
when girls get a female character, they enjoy the fantasy of plying the badass female fighter. they don't have the homophobic ick thing going on. heck I would say some girls even enjoy wlw ships or have their own waifus.
Well let's take a look at Neuvillette in Genshin. Good story, great design and good voice acting in all languages.
It's possible and Capitano will probably make the highest banner sale if he ever comes. I hope WuWa gives the male character another chance. If they were to create a stoty like Shore Keeper with a male character and make it a viable unit, sales would certainly be very good then.
I hope Sunday becomes the exception for this rule ...
I agree with the video whole heartedly. My personal account collection in Star Rail is largely curated around the males because I actually don’t prefer to goon, so sometimes I wait an untold number of patches for a good pull target.
Not that I don’t aim for women sometimes too, but I have really high standards and look for characters that will actually appeal to me long-term instead of just being a novelty of the month. So far the only character in that regard has been Robin.
That's because these players can't grow up if they can have the idea of their waifu dating a guy it got so bad that blue archive thought they were getting cheated on by another game just shows you how unhinged or how bad the player base be let's not forget about the bunny incident this shows you how crazy and delusional these players are but it's not all the community only the toxic ones Because their procession of reality is these waifus are real no matter what you say to these people you can't convince them it's like literally talking to a brick wall
yea, idek what the bunny incident is but theres a cat incident in the genshin fanbase its evil what these manchildren will do
The point is, is it worth it to convince them to get out of this? Let's be honest, when it comes to dating scene, dating a fictional character it still better
@@Akito_Yamada870 are you by chance scared of women
@@z4in23 no bro wtf???
@@Akito_Yamada870 I agree dating real woman is more a pain than dating with fictional ones
While I'm generally more interested in female characters than male, not all female characters have been to my interested. Some of them I even nearly regret pulling for in retrospect because I never use them. Males seem to both be almost an afterthought in being made interesting by devs and mostly there for the game to not land in the 'harem' category, though many games, gachas or not, aren't shy about being labeled as that.
Limbus Company have a fix cast of 6 male and female but unlike other gacha media everyone is love by the fandom (a.k.a Project Moon fandom)
And rhe best of all is that we only focus on those 12 sinners (Character) story with each canto, some characters have unique characteristics that we just dont know until it's their canto like Ryoshu and Meursault who i am having a hard time knowing why they act like that.
@XochiMictlan69My Walpurgisnatch reaction:
I'm gonna need to defend some of my Arknights men here. Silverash HAS to wear a suit bc he's a literal CEO Executor is some sort of law enforcer, and so was OG Ch'en. Mlynar is also a former office worker despite being a knight XD
Suuure Phantom should get more non-suit outfits being the resident theatre kid, but he's also kind of an assassin so just think of Hitman lol.
As for the rest so far none really wear a SUIT suit ig, Arknights is known for the tacticool streetwear for both guys and girls after all, with some exceptions. My favorite outfits for males are from the ABC Gang bc they're streetwear + handyman suit kind of fit, which suits their lore (especially Chiave).
Not to mention--WE HAVE MEN WITH BEARDS/STUBBLE/STACHE DANGIT. That's a plus imo XD
Tequila's base skin is probably my 2nd or 3rd favorite male outfit in AK
Bro clearly hasn't seen Limbus Company
Honestly, in 95% of these types of videos, The person making the video does not know Limbus Company.
Which is depressing, since Limbus most of the time is the total opposite of the points that are often criticized in these videos.
😮💨
Something I feel we need to stop overlooking is the fact that a large part of the reason why gacha games are so focused on female characters comes from the rise in feminist and anti-feminist movements in China and Korea. Because of gender tensions between men and women, gamers in those countries have started viewing the inclusion of male characters as a "feminist dog whistle" with a lot of male gamers having an immediate negative reaction to it. This is why games like Azur Promilia had their entire fanbase turn against them purely off the incorrect assumption that they might be considering adding male characters. It's also why Snowbreak stated they were no longer including male npcs as well as their recent statement that they were no longer collabing with any cosplayers due to the backlash they received after it was discovered that some of the cosplayers they collabed with in the past held feminist views. Or why Girls Frontline has been embroiled in multiple NTR controversies.
The political landscape in China and Korea is preventing developers from appealing equally to both genders even Genshin has received extreme amounts of hate in China and Korea for its inclusion of male characters like Scaramouche being largely hated by male players in those countries due to his overwhelming popularity among woman. Genshin's recent choice to only introduce 2 male characters in Natlan might also have been caused by the backlash that they have faced in the past. It's also leading to a rise in husbando and female audience-focused gacha games like Love in Deepspace and Infinity Nikki. But it's becoming much harder to make games that appeal to both men and women in China and Korea.
The writing of a character helps in them being a money maker or not. Firefly got that and Acheron too. Something the Honkai team needs to do for the guys. Make us care or want them. It shouldn't be hard. Sucks Boothill didn't get good writing, but his game play and quirks made me want him. Mostly he preventing himself from cursing. That's comedy gold.
exactly. Not a male character, but I went into Natlan expecting to hate Citlali (The pink haired cryo girl), but they wrote her so well (and didn't just write her to be MC love interest) that I'm actually convinced to pull for her. They were able to make me go from hating a character to loving a character with good writing and it doesn't even need to be waifu bait. So WHY can they not do that for male characters.
Agreed. I went for S6 Xiangli Yao to send a message and also because I love his design.
Still waiting for fgo to release Camazotz and Agravain from NPC jail
I still pray for husbando Kama.....I know they made an in-universe explanation to avoid adding him...but, still....
You know I'm surprised you didn't mention Genshin even once. Most male characters seem to be somewhat popular, relevant and/or even meta:
- Zhongli's demo is still the most viewed video of the whole game
- Tartaglia is somewhat beloved and is relevant to the story, as well as having one of the strongest teams in the game
- Diluc is still the only character that has a 5-star skin in the game whereas all the waifu skins are 4-star and rather plane, and he also gained an incredible buff in the form of Furina and Xianyun.
- Xiao is definitely the most beloved character for the Genshin Devs as he has an exclusive set, an Archon Quest dedicated to him, every single Lantern Rite has a secret or direct interaction with him, he has obtained an extremely powerful team that made him go from Mid to Okay, and so far no other Anemo DPS can compare to him now.
- Kazuha has become so cool to the point of becoming South Korea's public enemy No.1 as every single character that interacts with him always has to praise his skills, personality and/or remind us that he achieved the impossible by having the power of 2 Visions and blocking Raiden's sword booba attack with a shitty 3-star sword. Not to mention that he's still a top meta unit.
- Itto is what Boothill wishes to be but honestly he's just not all that amazing. He's pretty mediocre but what doesn't have in pull value he has on event stardom.
- Now nearly the entirety of Sumeru is composed by male characters, or at least the most relevant to the story or the most valuable in terms of gameplay. Al Haitham is considered one of the top 3 strongest characters in the game, Tighnari and Cyno are somewhat mediocre but have a lot of funny dialogue and really good weapons, Wanderer/Scaramouche got really well treated, and Kaveh well... His gay drama carries him whole.
And I haven't even covered Fontaine with Neuvillette being so goddamn broken in both story and gameplay that Raiden mains still can't recover from all the emotional and financial damage they've suffered.
As a dude, give me someone like Adray or Albel (manly or edgy, respectively) from Star Ocean 3 and I'll go for them, but most gacha games default to pretty K-pop looking boys. Boothill was close, but because of the silly no cursing bit makes me look at him as weak.
Firefly is super cool, and I would have pulled for them regardless of being male or female, I wish the default was the SAM suit though. I don't need it to be my girlfriend, I need to have a murder robot on my team.
I think ZZZ is doing better, or at least has the potential to, with character designs. There have been alot of ladies back-to-back, but Ben is fantastic, Lighter is cool (even though he's a pretty boy) and I really wish they would make Pompey a character, since he's a badass that dudes would like to play as and a daddy that alot of girls would like to buy.
Lore wise he is actually swearing, but he has a filter in his translation system.
@@Tonbizzle Oh man, I completely forgot to talk about the K-popification of gacha men! I don't mind summoning for pretty boys every now and then, but I miss when I could actually summon cool dudes. Give me a badass no nonsense knight or something. Lighter is a step in the right direction, I'm hoping we get big daddy at some point cause that's exactly what I want.
@@bladimirvideosyeah that's kinda the reason I'm not too bothered by the lack of men in gacha because most of them tend to be kinda lame to me anyway. The K-pop look doesn't appeal to me and I prefer cool looking dude characters over say someone like adventurine.
Boothill Stan here, I LOVE Boothill's Censoring. Especially in the Portuguese translation.
Its so perfect to see how They replace the Swearing in portuguese. That Silly Cowboy that appeared for like 10 minutes caught my eye more than any other character ever would, Also, he cute
I'm honestly sick of all the pretty boys lol.
I want more male characters dammit😭
I always wonder why men are covered up 99% when women get skin exposure galore. Like, the reason for women shoeing skin is "because its their battle suit snd its what they're comfortable in" and then the men get the same thing, but to be honest, if i was one of the men, I'd be so annoyed cuz it means I'll get so hot and bothered in warn weather since the clothes would cover head to toe while the women are more comfortable and can show off while also being cool.
I mean, of course, men do get some skin exposure, but its just not to the same level as women get. Can i at least get a male who is sexy and cool and doesn't wear something that covers his entire body? There is this one gacha called Fellow Moon (still CN Only) and there's a video of ultimate animations of its characters, and the first character is a male, shows skin, is hot, and looks cool
All the meta male units in Arknights are damage dealers. SilverAsh, Mlynar, Thorns, Mountain, Logos, Ulpianus, Gnosis -- they're all DPSes. Only one meta guy -- Lumen -- is a healer.
Honestly, this is coming from a guy who likes female characters a lot, and plays games reflective of that (Nikke, Wuthwring Waves, etc), but the reason why i personally ended up disliking seeing males in gacha is.
Well, I'm exhausted by the pretty boy standards, that i usually see from countries like Japan, Korea, ane China. Which makes sense knowing the country of origin of these gachas. But I'd wish for more superhero-like builds, or builds that are reflective more on the strength a lot of the men should have.
Jiyan comes to mind, as despite being a pretty boy, he's built like an athelete with defined muscles. Calchoro in the same game. And i love Yuanwu for the fact he has a beard, which is immensely rare in these genres of gacha.
Welt and Siegfried from Honkai Impact 3rd come to mind.
Poseidon, Soriz, Vaseraga, etc. from Granblue.
It's sort of why it was hard for me to get behind the designs in say Genshin, because none of the men there are beyond the pretty boy look. Even Itto was nerfed.
Star Rail has this problem too, so it feels disappointing when you know the male coming out looks like they belong in the same boy band as other pretty boys.
Tldr: Gachas need men with MUSCLES and bearde. Also women with abs, thank you.
Read the tl;dr and holy shit I concur.
Big Daddy will be playable (cope)
Agree. Need more like people Gallagher. You can see FGO, I love more males from there than from HSR and genshin
And we forget that what what we like due to our old media interactions isn't same for others. JP,KR,CN hold their standards rigidly. Most games just follow what's more preferred. Not to mention it's very often I see West playerbase complaining about a thing and east being chill on it and vice versa
the female characters have the same problem tho? Dahya, Beidou and Feixiao are all supposed to be masc women but they've the same slender model, not to mention the lack of actual pants for most women
I always have this thought that most gacha females have so little clothing bc the devs gave all of the cloth to male characters lol
FINALLY!! Someone finally bravely says there's an unfair excessive bias towards girls!
Ty ♥
I'm glad someone else is also aware of this fact. I would like to have more male characters as good as females but you know how the market goes, sell hot waifus for weeb cmmers, specially in asia cause they spend crazy amounts on gachas. Epic 7 has pretty solid male designs tho and don't even get me started on Alchemist Code designs (damn I miss that game) none of which are mainstream today
Thing is, when people talk about gachas they only think about the hoyoverse triplets or anything amongst that style as a game
Dude sme T-T I miss Alchemist Code
Genshin actually has crazy good male characters. I'm usually a waifu puller, with no male characters in Wuthering, Zenless and HSR. But in genshin, I actively pulled for GaMing and Neuvillette, and intend to get Venti, Itto and Zhongli too.
they are all female looking mofos... that is why, androgenous as fuck.
Absolutely. Men in Genshin are more diverse than pretty much anywhere else. There are just not many of them.
I pulled neuvilette as an accessory for my furina
Only crazy good there in Neuv and maybe zhongli...
Can't relate how you'd pull for Genshin men but not for HSR men, where the male characters are far from 'perfect personality and agreeable morals' yet still respectable and sell well, with great gamekit too. Aventurine? Boothill? Imbibitor Lunae? Luocha? Even Jiaoqiu who has no problems poisoning his food for a goal despite him being a chef? How about Dr Ratio who's a professor but the way he insults people is rarely ideal for a teacher? Other than Childe who killed people for his version of greater good, as a girl I noticed Genshin tends to make the males really agreeable and morally upright, which is fairly reasonable, understandable even, but a bit unrealistic really. Not much variety unlike HSR men.
No, Raid Shadow Legends has plenty of cool looking male undead, dwarves, ogres, orcs. Raid is the only gacha game I can think that even give you a cool amount monsters and humanoids of all kinds. I wish these kind of games had more worlds like Shining Force where centaurs/trolls/werewolves/robots were common party members.
It's not that they don't sell, it's just that once a game settles down with male or female characters, it's kinda hard to catch the attention of people who want the exact opposite of what the game is providing. And to be fair, every game gathers the attention of different players, meaning that if the devs don't see the potential, then they will obviously not waste resources on male characters
Genshin impact demographycaly speaking, is both played equally by men and women, mobile gacha games in japan is more played by men, but generally speaking, gacha games have women players on the rise.
I wish, as a woman, that the "wifu" stupidity stop.
Will say for Arknights most of them arent exactly tanks (defenders). If anything most of them are guards (ground/tank unit dps).
Also the most recent global banner released Logos a mage dps who is broken, but not as much as the other limited character in the banner.
I will also add to this but a gacha game that deviates from this to a degree is Limbus company, if anything for the fact that the only units you can get from the gacha are alternate units of the main cast and almost half of them are men.
It took so long for Arknights to grant players a male Healer and now we got three, two of them being free. TBH if Lumen was a banner operator I bet he would've sold well for being the only Medic who can remove status effects T-T but IG the devs learned their lesson so the later welfares are now on the "shitty" side of strength (Vigil and Crownslayer)
I think there are various reasons for this:
first and foremost, I think HSR was always aimed mainly at the Male audience, just like its sister game, Honkai Impact 3rd, so of course its main attractor point is its female character.
But if you look at another MiHoYo game: "Tear of Themis', you wouldn't find any playable female characters there, because that game mainly aimed at Female audience.
Second, (this is just my opinion and over-generalization) I think it is ultimately because of how human males and females work, males are simple creatures that are easily stimulated by visuals, that's why women wear dresses, and that's why female characters design are very bold, but if you look at them they usually don't have much personality variation with the most popular are cutesy girlfriend typearch.
While female, on the other hand, are creature that seeks intimacy, and connection, that's why the male characters marketed toward women usually use heir personality as the main charm point, instead of the suit they wear.
Support male characters financially? Say no more.
I'm E6S5-ing Sunday in HSR. You bet I love that man.
I just want to see more male characters and designs like the ones in afkj. They’re so diverse and cool (some are so sexy it’s ridiculous👀) and guess what? THEY ARE popular amongst the players. In fact the most asked for character at the moment is a bunny guy and it got to the point they devs had to assure players he is coming soon lmao.
I think the uneven male to female character release is a heavy factor in this you have forever to save so there’s no need to spend tbh it’s the companies loss seeing the success of games like Love & deep space, for all of time/Lovebrush & enstars (while they do use reoccurring characters) show that there can be a range of themes used to cater to female audiences and make money from it they just need to actually think of actually fun themes
Tbh most of the hate is rlly just bc insecure incels are threatened by any and all men and think they deserve “care/love/special treatment” from characters in a weird idol culture like type of entitlement
Enstars and Twisted Wonderland are HUGE games that's all male, and boy it's sad that they can't tap onto that demographic bc whiny incels will harass them to no end
Ur point abt male chrs being mid/bad in gameplay wise fits for Sunday...especially after seeing his kits leaks lmfao
(seriously...another Harmony...sure, Sunday was most likely to be Harmony considering his story but COME ON MAN...)
@@cynolover Just looked into him, and yeah he definitely sounds mid for the current meta. Advanceing actions is nice but buffing damage is better, and storing energy doesn't really seem that useful for current characters. But it seems like he's gonna be good for summon characters like Jing Yuan. So he'll probably have a small niche in the future.
@@bladimirvideos I mean pattern recognition dictates he'll be broken, at least until the waifu version of him that advances all summons comes out in like patch 3.2 or something.
@@mr.protagonist5639 Gallagher who has been alive and kicking for 6 patches now ... "yeah about that ..." (wasnt benched)
There haven't even been showcases for Sunday, yet you're already doomposting him.
@@justadude189"Gallagher" "alive"
I don't think those two words can be in a sentence chief /jk