Damn I forgot to use this example! In regards to Male vs Female designs, compare the Male and Female Main characters from Wuthering Waves. The guy looks like the most milk toast generic anime MC ever created. And the Female MC actually has a distinct design that stands out. Of course its subjective weather or not the designs are good, its up to your personal taste to decide.
Saying this with ZZZ pfp is wild! At least wuwa's mc has actual fun and engaging gameplay compared to whatever you think is "creative" This is pure bias and a L take
@@denji4740 I actually don't like the MCs from Zenless. But they're also weird kinda self insert NPCs and not playable in the normal sense, so I didn't bring them up. I also don't think the Male MC from Wuthering is bad, just generic, or milk toast as I put it. The dichotomy between the Male and Fem MCs is really funny to me tho which is why I brought it up. Edit: Also I was talking purely about design and not gameplay. Havoc Rover is really fun, but that has nothing to do with my comment.
@@denji4740 at least wuwa mc is swag and cool enough to have a boss aura dedicated for him, also Jiyan, Mortefi, GeShu Lin, Scar, Aalto, and more, my god this guy is such a fucking joke. the only thing why Male character dont sell well is because lack of real coolness, swag, the aura which girl even fallen over with in otome game, also a male character has to give not 'generic' feeling, but feel like cool, that associate with you.
@@bladimirvideos Calcharo and Xiangling exist they might as well be the mc’s since there both free Yao xiangling is free from the event, and Calcharo technically since there were two standard char selectors, if a player cared about male characters ofc they would chose him or Tiger boi… The male character roster isn’t completely dead so why spread misinformation like this also Jiyan is pretty cool too. You should start off with ZZZ or other games when it comes to criticism because it will sound like your nitpicking because it’s hoyo’s competition…
@@bladimirvideos What did Kuro do to you? If you like male characters be happy you can get them for free and save for scar and genshulin…I wish I got shore keeper free
You forgot the NTR problem. Asian players will demolish gamedevs to the ground if a male character ever dares to get close to someone's waifu, which is something reasonably within the realm of possibility if the game has any male character at all
Its such a strange thing, i may absolutely love my waifus and im definitely scitzo for them but how deranged do you gotta be to think you can be ntr'd by pixels?
@@phosspatharios9680 honestly the NTR topic deserves its own dedicated video. With how deep that rabbit hole goes I could make an entire movie length video if I wanted to lol. I might do that at some point, could be an interesting topic to discuss.
@@obsidianstar9089 NTR is short for Netorare, a Japanese word that basically means cheating. A lot of players get attached to female characters to the point where they delude themselves into thinking they are in a relationship with them. So when a male characters has literally any type of interaction with a women these players get mad cause the women is "cheating" on them. It's honestly really sad to see.
Neuvillette is a great example of how to do a male character right. Amazing design, likeable character, great marketing, huge story significance, absurdly powerful. And his banner sold really, really well.
Don't lie neuvillette banner didn't sell well, it was his next rerun when people realised how broken is he then they start pulling him, even with that tho his banner still sold atl "average " at best
If there's something like a 4-1 ratio of female to male characters, then waifu collectors will need to pay to get them all, while husbando collectors likely won't need to break f2p status. This alone pretty much guarantees that male banners will do worse.
I started playing Honkai Star Rail in 1.6. I was able to get every single new limited 5 star male character without spending a dime on the game and even then some like eidolons, lightcones, and even some female characters (Black Swan and Feixiao). This is 100% true. There is no reason for female players to spend or spend a lot when they can just get all the male characters they want for free.
true, waifu collector here that played genshin impact, the constant release of male characters during the sumeru versions kept me away from spending any money which i normally do. and the primogems i saved during that period last til like half way into fontaine around 4.3 which i ran out and start spending again.
I remember an art competion in epic seven where a male art ended up winning and the whole community start hating on the artist and try to cancel his prize, the devs ended up disqualifying the artist for a stupid reason and he give up on making arts for the game.
@@mimik2829 I feel like this is done in retaliation to all the waifu-addicted people who act like male characters shouldn't be in the game. We've been hurt before by games such as HI3 so if it means we go to war to defend the existence of husbandos then I'd say it's justified. If the male character enjoyers got treated better then there'd be no reason to hate on the waifus.
i don't get why star rail is so scared to release screwllum as a playable character when it's proven that in zzz, someone like von lycaon can sell well
@@lillyie I remember when the game came out my original plan was to save for Kafka and Screllun, cause I thought hed release in year one. A year and a half later and he's nowhere to be seen 😭
He was supposed to be in 1.6 but Ratio ended up replacing his banner according to leaks And as for now, he isn't a major story character but Hoyo already planned big plot with him digging Rubert's tomb
Quite ironic for a game like FGO, widely known to genderswap its characters for whatever reason because "waifu", to be respectful of the male characters they produce. You're talking about Oberon from a story standpoint, but know also that he's one of the best supports in the game given how crazy powerful he can make other characters.
I’m holding out hope that Sunday from HSR will start a huge change. I haven’t looked at exact statistics, but just looking around different social medias shows you that people are HYPED for this man. If Sunday’s banner proves lucrative, this may be the start of something more diverse
My opinion on this is... that weeb culture in general forgot how to make cool masculine characters. Back in the day we had Kenshiro, Spike, Sesshomaru, Dio, Guts... Since most of these gacha games take inspiration from already existing archetypes, it is not surprising that they´re very comfortable doing cool/attractive female characters, but fail to do the same with men since nowadays is all generic isekai dudes, femboys, teenagers that are terrified of being 5m from any female.
Fortunately there has been strives in masculine characters making comebacks as shows such as Baki Hanma and Blue Lock seem are incredibly popular for newer gen shows
@@PeruvianPotato Yeah there's a few of them fortunately (Thorfinn also comes to mind)... but the amount of popular/cool female characters outnumber male characters.
>Sesshomaru >Masculine Also women aren't exactly diverse in anime either, even less so than men despite there (usually) being more of them. Most of them are young, skinny, thin, with one of the several different anime archetypes of a personality. This applies even moreso to gatcha, where women are sold as objects of desire, and therefore can't exactly be "ugly" or (too) unlikable. Also diversify your anime a bit, try Akudama Drive or Urusei Yatsura
@@annak3342 Sesshomaru being pretty doesn´t make him less masculine lol. Yeah, I agree. Women aren´t really that diverse either. However there´s still more inspiration to make appealing female characters than male characters.
@@esaualfaro3447 Key word here is "appealing", being forced to be "appealing" limits female characters to begin with. How often do you see really masculine, muscular or older women in anime? Ones that actually LOOK that way, with crow's feet, wrinkles, fat or actual musculature? The only reason there's more "inspiration" for female characters here is because there are inherently more waifu tropes. You're mostly complaining about male characters that are either made to be self-inserts, side characters who are meant to be non-threatening for the self-insert to not get feel like they're NTR'd, or men made to appeal to women, so not your target audience to begin with.
These games (mostly Mihoyo) seem to actively sabotage male characters in favour of the female ones in terms of banner order, reruns and such. If I remember correctly Jingyuan from HSR is actually the most popular character, with Dan Heng IL being one of the most retweeted drip markets and now Sunday's reveal is trending and has overtaken Dan Heng. I think people absolutely love male characters who are done well but it's so infrequent. Genshin Impact has Wriothesley who based on banner sales you'd think is unpopular (but people absolutely love him). He hasn't had a rerun in over a year and his debut sales were bad because of the other characters people wanted to save for (and Cryo being terrible in the meta). At least husbandos are easier to go f2p. If they stopped screwing over male characters maybe they'd actually realise there's a good market there? Are the waifu enjoyers not yet broke? Not yet bored? Why pull for Acheron and Feixiao and Firefly and Robin and Ruan Mei when a month later the next meta waifu is revealed?
Ikr. Look at every break related supports, fire. The upcoming break support, Fugue, fire. Who will benefit the most? I don't know, Boothill? Rappa? Oh no! It's HSR's all time favorite! Firefly! They freaking made an entire fire roster just for her. You usually don't get the same elements and paths back to back together. Too unusual. Gallagher, Fire Abundance, just came out and suddenly there is a Lingsha, Fire Abundance??? Jiaoqiu, Fire Nihility, even if he isn't perfect break support, he can easily apply vulnerability and reduce fire toughness, now there is another Fire Nihility??? Blatant favoritism, now with all the break supports being fire, they wouldn't release any break related supports soon, which means no PHYSICAL BREAK support for Boothill. Firefly doesn't need 150% weakness efficiency, when she have the entire roster for her.
in genshin a lot of male characters are the ones who have the most character development/screentime: kazuha, xiao, scaramouche, neuvilette, kaveh, childe, dain, it is certainly not as bad as it is in hsr, especially that xiao got like 2 supports for himself, and neuvi being the best dps in the game that got buffed with xilonen just now
@@raywa5821 I honestly do not know why the fuq everything became so cheesy once firefly appeared in the story, making everything turned into a shitstorm, but people wouldn't mind as long as they make firefly one of the most broken characters Shit character & plot + OP kit = good $$$
@@onedayiwillbegone2366 ikr? They literally degraded the trailblazer to a 100% memelord hypocrite that drools over FF from the get go (unearned) but is SuSpiCioUs of all other Stellaron Hunters and still hates Sampo for some reason even though the guy literally saved them and helped save Belobog and all his ''horrible crimes'' amount to some silly scams (vs FF/SAM who's known to be ruthless mind you) I honestly would've loved if they did something that's actually interesting with FF because she does have potential, but in the end she ended up being just another no substance waifu.
Another problem is Dottore is hated, but Ruan Mei is loved by fandom. They both are written as mad scientists with cruel experiments. I swear, if you simp/like Dottore, people gonna send death treats and harass you for liking him. But on Ruan Mei, no, because she is a waifu. I swear, if Dottore was a woman, people would forgive just like how they forgive on Ei for turning Inazuma into torture over 500 years.
Ruan Mei is functionally lovable and even waifu-able if you completely ignore her character story and only focus on everything else about her. She has a pretty lady design, she's a genius whose rare buff in Simulated Universe turns the game so in your favor it is laughable, and is a support who boosts the damage your team does and helps suppress enemy actions in a turn-based game where each side gets to have actions. But all of that belies the fact that she is an emotionless bitch who does not love or have empathy for the things she creates, and uses you the player to clean up a mess that she started which incidentally is one of the weekly bosses of the game, a replica of GIANT SPACE DEATH BEETLE THAT CLONES ITSELF. Do note, all of the favorable descriptive stuff I mentioned about her was stuff that players were being drip fed about her up until her release, so the image of Ruan Mei being a cool beauty genius was already sculpted in their head before the story came in to kick that pedestal down. And while there are people who still choose to brush over the rather unsavory parts about Ruan Mei, her place within the fandom is as of current "potential threat upon the cosmos, but she's still meta support", so people will still find a way to end up pulling for her (myself included).
I've seen people hate Ruan Mei as well, probably not to the extent like sending death threats like you said though (Genshin players are crazy). I personally like both of them as characters because morally grey characters like them are rarer in both of their games: its refreshing from the happy go lucky characters.
Really? Cuz from what I've seen, it's usually the opposite as I see many people either defend or whitewash his crimes just cuz he's hot (and I should know cuz Collei is my favorite character in the game)
@@KrofisPlays Yeah it’s so ironic. Ruan Mei is one of Firefly’s best teammates in gameplay but if they met in story and Firefly found out about what she did, she would beyond HATE her and burn her to ashes. Agree completely. I did pull for her but only behave she’s pretty much necessary for break teams.
My only issue with waifu/husbando gachas is that despite how insane people are about "ntr", the games don't even lean at all into relationship mechanics with the characters, at most you get a water thin affection or friendship system, yet everyone goes crazy when male characters exist. As always the loud and vocal weirdos set the tone for everyone else...
I never cared for Firefly. I was mostly interested in the "mystery" of Penacony until she's got in the way and sidetracked the whole thing. I knew Hoyo was making a big deal about her and Acheron which I didn't give a shit about but they were pushing them down my throat. Ultimately Penacony "mystery" was a letdown and the the only 2 characters they cared about annoyed the crap out of me.
I think it's a bit of a shame because I was really excited for Firefly and even pulled for her but then they went all out on canonizing the 'relationship' which felt like a bit too much? Like, we're just going to get a new waifu a few patches later so why bother pushing one in particular in the story when ultimately it won't matter and we'll forget about her.
I genuinely think that Boothill is going to have a bigger role later on in the story, his insane backstory with the ipc tells me that at some point he's going to have a big role with something to do with that, they can't cook so hard with a backstory and not do something with it later, that plus the fact he's been appearing more (wardance event and 2.6) I feel like they're trying to make him feel mysterious but also trying to get us to like him for when his arc starts This isn't copium I swear I SWEAR PLEASE PLESASSSEKIEKEMMD PLEAAASSESEEEEEEEEEEEEEE ILL KILL MYSELF IF THEY FORGET ABOUT HIM 😭
No I get it, I also geniunely think he's going to be a bigger part of the story once the IPC get even more relevant probably when Oswaldo finally shows up is when Boothill will shine the most since that is the person he's after
@@Random_Hooman I NEED MORE OF HIM SO BAD THEY SAY SUNDAY FANS SUFFER THE MOST BUT HE HAD A WHOLE ARC AND THEN SOME, US BOOTHILL FANS ARE STUCK WITH CRUMBS 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
honestly half the reason i dropped zzz is because they're allergic to making male limited s-ranks/5 stars/whatever they're called. i wish more gachas would cater to men-likers without being dating sims, every gacha out there has an abundance of waifu characters. (good video btw i agree with your points)
@@lants420 Yeah I wish the gender ratio was more even, but I'm glad that the few men we do have are well designed, fun/good, and are treated well in the narrative. And thanks, glad you enjoyed the video :)
the game got released like 3 months ago so that's normal. also they literally announced 2 males characters already and it garranteed that one is an S rank
@@xXNaniPTXx i'm just used to genshin and hsr which had male limited 5 stars as early as 1.0, waiting this long for a limited s-rank male has kinda killed the hype for me personally.
We have love and deepspace for at least , though the mc is female, and I'm not aware of any gachas who have an all male cast that isn't targeted towards primarily women Edit. : I forgot Obey Me! Existed 💀 We really need more Obey me's in the gacha scene , even though it IS a dating sim. I just appreciate the fact that the OM! mc isn't gendered which imo makes the intended audience much more inclusive if that makes sense?? Like yeah it's an otome , but its audience isn't strictly women due to the mc possibly being nb canonically
As shaby as fgo is as a game, it apsolutely demolishes most gachas in terms of writing men (and writing in general tbh). And idk how well it holds up but I think the male to female ratio was around 1:2. And even this is bc only female characters get new swimsuit varients while men get just costumes (the pain is real) so that further amps the numbers of playable waifus.
To Love and Deepspace: Yes! China players in cases of Honkai Impact 3rd DO despise men, but in that case we're talking about waifu collecting gooners. Love and Deepspace however, IS a Chinese game. And Hoyo DOES have a successful otome targeted at women called Tears pf Themis. Sadly, it's not well known with most people who play games like Star Rail. A LOT of really high earning Gachas in China are in fact dating sims targeted at woman, such as Love and Deepspace, TOT but also titles like Light and Night (Only available in China) or Mr Love, etc. Chinese women go crazy for men. I'm not gonna be surprised when even more Chinese otome titles targeted at woman will spread into the west in the coming years Anyways, I have Boothill and he's hot. Save a horse, ride a cowboy.
Sorry, but look at what TOT basically is: Dialogue after dialogue after dialogue, the combat is auto-argument + card game, they only have four male characters that change clothes for new banners and who partly undress for events. I played it for like three months and it bored me half to death. Which told me once again: MHY don't care about male chars. TOT feels like a cheap excuse, "but we DO make games for husbando enjoyers". I don't want to play otome. I want to take my guys and beat up the enemies. I want to run around with them and discover the world. I want them to flex their muscles and take screenshots of their cake. Is that too much to ask?
@@SeiichirouUta First and foremost, you say "I don't want to play Otome" then why are you here complaining about an otome that isn't even targeted at players like you? TOT is a classic Otome. Nearly every other otome both in and outside of China is like the way you descibed. If you wanna run around and take screenshots, play Genshin.If the gaming format is not your style, don't blame the game. I've been playing TOT consistently for 3 years now, even though I take regular breaks with other Hoyo games. I've spent more money on TOT than on Genshin. The boys are well written, there's beautiful art and the updates regularly strive to have TOT keep up with new otomes. So yes, Mihoyo DOES make games specifically targeted at women and they care about these boys (see: literally all the merch and the boys being presented at the MHY hq in Shanghai with other characters). Just because you don't like the game, doesn't mean it's shit.
@@SeiichirouUta hoyo games are mostly story driven and so is thears of themis, sorry if u dotn enjoy the story for what is it (personally think its rather good) then theres nothing to look in there for u, its a good side game (if u ignore events) as in u do dailies and log out
love and deep space should be called the most stingy game in history, as a player myslef i am getting more and more tired, thanks game for the 10 limited pulls to pull on a character i dont want or for it to completly go to waste, bc u cannot give crystals as a reward so people could save right
@@Ekklesia2680 It just took TOT as an example as one of the few otome I've played so far. I found all of them boring. What I wanted to say is that the typical genre for male char dominated gacha games seems to be otome and that just sucks. I would like to see a game like Genshin or Wuwa that concentrates on male chars. Also I never said that TOT was shit. If you know enough about how games are made you can easily see that it is cheaply made. So please stop putting words where I didn't write them.
That's one of the reasons I love Reverse 1999 so much. While male characters are in minority, they all look very unique and interesting. A dope biker, cool old man, an italian gangster, a nerd, a BIRDMAN. Love love love this game.
I love Reverse 1999, and playing since launch. I agree that yeah most character in reverse 1999 are female (And be Lesbian) But when a male character is added they also get the quality treatment right, with the design like there isn't a single bad character design in the game, So everyone is equal but still has that bias of Female character better than male one. But Reverse 1999 does it the best out of any gacha game. Second to Limbus company but that's heavily debatable, Since you can only play 12 Sinner (Character), 6 males and 6 females character (Exsclude Charon, Vergilius and Dante since they arent playable) and the gacha is for diferent version of the character (ID), each character get their own moment even when the story isn't focus on them.
I can't keep playing the game, but I do agree it's a very unique design and I was very excited to play it day one. I'm glad to see people still happy with it. They deserve it.
The fact that Medicine Pocket (which canonically refers to themselves as they/them) exists in Reverse:1999 is such an amazing move from them too. The masc:femme characters ratio in the game is a bit sad to look at but at least they quality and marketing for either are equal
To quote what Twins Iink said once , the majority of the male characters from gacha are often your favorite taste of butter , there's nothing differing from the standart formula and that can be said about not only about design but also from a story perspective , they're mostly just there , the devs don't give them as much attention as the female characters and their designs dont stand out cuz they're so similar one to another , so far i think FGO is literally the one gacha with equal more treatment between the two genders of characters and ironically that game IS a waifu game , with all the common raunchness you would expect from it
In Korea and especially in China there literally thousands of game fans are protesting many gacha games when they trying to add male characters. Sometimes it ends with threats and real life harassment or attacks, with review bombing, etc. And those markets are usually biggest for Gacha games of new era (as previously most gacha games were Japan-only or Japan+Global).
It looks like there are lots of incels in Korea and China on the news lately protesting and complaining about all sorts of issues to do with women, so I wouldn't be surprised if this sexist ideology is contributing to the current gacha market too.
(I am male) I like to play the game from third-person perspective so I dislike the terms waifus and husbandos both. I want characters to have meaningful relations with others of the cast and not always salivate over the mc. I get one or two characters but everyone loves the mc? Hate that.
I think the diverse and creative designs in Reverse 1999 are really well done, both for the female and male characters, like eg Getian (bird man) and 6 (who wears a Greco Roman robe) are unique designs esp considering the mostly flat silhouettes of male characters in gacha games
But still has more Females than males character, but atleast they arent getting worse treatment like otther gacha game, everyone in reverse 1999 is equal in term of design, Voice, And likable moment in the story.
@@panjinurfadillah2489 true, wish there was more of an even split since i like to collect both. I wonder if most ppl fall under either waifu or husbando collectors exclusively or if there is actually a sizable majority that like both equally
@@matchasketch8224 Since majority of any gacha player is Male, It's always gonna be more waifu collectors than husbando, Due to this bias a lot of gacha have so beautiful females waifu design compared to male one(They mostly have just a suit and that's it, nothing unique). But I Still hope Reverse 1999 have more Male focus character Next patch, And a straight romance maybe (The characters in reverse 1999 is all Gay, and European. Not that I am complaining, just need more variety)
@@panjinurfadillah2489 Although I like the character designs too, I'm also hoping for even more variety! Although I have to say A Knight is already very unique considering how most gacha that I know have playable characters with at least a face haha.
As a man who is a husbando collector, I'm so tired of the ratios being off. I played King's Raid for about 5+ years. They had a good balance of men and women, and treated them well(also both men AND women got fan-service skins). I'd so responsibly spend money on men if gacha creators made and treated their male characters well. I plan to E0 S1 Adventurine on his rerun bc he's such a good character. Also, games are sooo missing out on the queer community. Fellow mlm people will understand. There is rarely any sort of gacha catered towards players like me that isn't an otome game. The one game I can think of that is men oriented, which actually lets you be a male MC without unromantisizing certain parts of the story is The Tale of Food.
I thinks it's because of the lack of design modern male gacha game characters (twink/pretty boy) and perhaps even the lore also personality. I've been playing FGO NA and JP, people still want male characters regardless you're a waifu enjoyer. Honestly it's because modern gacha players are allergic and companies like hoyo doesn't know how write good male characters. In FGO, people was hyped when Super Orion, Oberon, Constantine IX, Charlemagne, etc when they were first released. This whole thing only applies to newer gacha fandom, the old ones doesn't have this issue. Edit: Just Finished the video, glory to Destiny Child
@@novaaltreaz7307 Old fandoms were a lot more chill about the gender thing. Next banner is a girl? Cool, are they cute/hot? Oh next is a guy? Cool, are they cool/handsome? And yeah writing for modern male characters is a massive problem. Most games don't even try anymore. Destiny Child my beloved, you will be missed ❤️
Well Hoyo does know how to write good male characters. They did it in HI3.. tho the male characters were never playable and will never be playable but still.
as someone who is Bisexual and heavily lean to female characters, the lack of male character pulls me out of the lore or story because it feels to unrealistic to my taste. not that its impossible for world to have more females than males but the near lack of male pale presence make the world feel artificial to me. Its even ruin some of the harem fantasy, the girls don't like me or the male avatar because they developed the bond, but because their the only character they can form a bond with. Its like the choose one trope but to an absurd degree. Its why i have more respect for dating sims games. Majority of the time the female cast is indifferent tot he male character till time and eventual bond is made. Its still a fantasy so don't get me wrong but its at least doesn't take my suspension of disbelief and strangle hold it.
This is sort of a mood, but I'm also someone who actually just can't identify with explicit player inserts and would rather see them as distinct characters. I think I'm just interested in character interactions amongst each other more.
I agree with this. It feels so weird to approach a world where the gender ratio doesn't make sense. Like the Sons of Calydon in Zenless Zone Zero is 2 little girls, 2 older girls and 1 cool guy in the gang. Gangs (from what I know) dont' really function like that and it just seems weird to have a single guy just be there in what is essentially just a girl gang. I feel like it should be more balanced with gender or it should just be one gender to really give the impression that it is a girl biker gang, not a girl biker gang + 1 guy they found. Also in lots of the promotional material the guy (Lighter) is just not included at all so it feels even more like he's intruding on a sisterhood. Maybe that allows the waifu-enjoyers to just pretend he's not there? idk
Thank you for making a video on this. People in the community and even popular content creators blow off the concerns and mistreatment of the female audience and outright disrespect them, because they don't care. It doesn't affect them even if they put on a façade that they do care about issues like these. A content creator I use to watch was Tectone. I don't think he's a bad person, but it's clear he doesn't give a fuck about anything as long as it doesn't affect him. Like telling Kuro games to only focus on putting out female banners, which in turn we have seen how that outcome played out. Then when people, mainly female players were upset about the 1.3 wuwa update when Shorekeeper is forced into being a love interest for the mc just like Firefly was he openly says "The only people upset about that are stupid women with big tiddies". Disrespecting us and degrading us to sexual objects in one sentence, because the issues doesn't affect him. When that is the person who is the most influential and largest creator in the gacha space no wonder our issues will never be heard or taken seriously. So any video on this topic to spread the word of this issue further is greatly greatly appreciated. This isn't back in the early 2000s were it was rare to see women playing video games. It's VERY common to see women playing video games on the regular nowadays. While I don't agree with the Love and Deepspace communities approach and rudeness to anyone who simply doesn't like the art style of the game. It's clear that its a response to previous harassment from men who harass the women playing love and deepspace, because love and deepspace is successful. On top of male players when discussing the issue about the male characters say they don't want male characters in the game. They also don't want men to be sexualized, but are totally okay with women being sexualized. I'm not even a prude or a feminist. I'm totally okay with sexualized female characters. However as a woman that comment makes me feel so disgusted. It makes me feel unsafe. How in the world is it okay to sexualize female characters, but not okay to sexualize male characters. It's only okay when we sexualize the female characters. These communities more and more make me feel disgusted, because of the sheer amount of men who don't see us as humans, but as sexual objects and that's it.
What mistreatment? They don't even make the male focused gacha characters look good. Maybe you people are too ignorant that some recent gachas do attract female players to pull characters? You don't need to make them purely female, just look at zenless zone zero.
Adding more men to gacha games could do wonders for the worldbuilding if they're actually written well, which is a whole other problem. Except in Blue Archive, all the men are either robots or animals, and it's funny how it actually kinda works.
The world of Blue Archive is generally one big mystery that we're unraveling bit by bit, but it really is strange how every male character either is a robot, an animal, or some form of non-human, but all the women are at least humanoid, if not like 90% human. It really raises the question of what the population split is for Kivotos and if the population is even self-sustainable.
Blue Archive is a purposefully absurd setting. You're not supposed to ask why all the students are female, why Sensei is the only male in the Academy city, what happens when the students graduate, whether or not they actually have parents, why everyone though it was a good idea to let unstable teenage girls govern entire districts, and definitely not why the girls have halos which make them bulletproof. All you can do is accept the absurdity of their world, and enjoy the surprisingly well-written plots despite of the absurd setting.
Not a Husbando enjoyer by any means, but disparity in characters designs can lead to games looking stagnant, at least from a visual standpoint. and like you said, if that's what the design team wants and that's their vision that is a 100% okay, but dammit when the majority of devs all seems to share the same vision with 0 variety, something has clearly gone amiss
As a dude, give me someone like Adray or Albel (manly or edgy, respectively) from Star Ocean 3 and I'll go for them, but most gacha games default to pretty K-pop looking boys. Boothill was close, but because of the silly no cursing bit makes me look at him as weak. Firefly is super cool, and I would have pulled for them regardless of being male or female, I wish the default was the SAM suit though. I don't need it to be my girlfriend, I need to have a murder robot on my team. I think ZZZ is doing better, or at least has the potential to, with character designs. There have been alot of ladies back-to-back, but Ben is fantastic, Lighter is cool (even though he's a pretty boy) and I really wish they would make Pompey a character, since he's a badass that dudes would like to play as and a daddy that alot of girls would like to buy.
@@Tonbizzle Oh man, I completely forgot to talk about the K-popification of gacha men! I don't mind summoning for pretty boys every now and then, but I miss when I could actually summon cool dudes. Give me a badass no nonsense knight or something. Lighter is a step in the right direction, I'm hoping we get big daddy at some point cause that's exactly what I want.
@@bladimirvideosyeah that's kinda the reason I'm not too bothered by the lack of men in gacha because most of them tend to be kinda lame to me anyway. The K-pop look doesn't appeal to me and I prefer cool looking dude characters over say someone like adventurine.
Boothill Stan here, I LOVE Boothill's Censoring. Especially in the Portuguese translation. Its so perfect to see how They replace the Swearing in portuguese. That Silly Cowboy that appeared for like 10 minutes caught my eye more than any other character ever would, Also, he cute
Another thing to note is that while women DO get more attention in theses games its not exactly good attention. For example, I realize that while looking at the character archives in Star Rail, none of the women are wearing pants. At most skin tight thigh highs/leggings. Also, the women are all feminine, like incredibly feminine. Where as in genshin for example, there's some feminine men, like kaye, linny, and kavah. Also a lot of women don't get stories that are as interesting as male stories. For every Furina there's like 3 Barbras who just aren't fun or cool characters. This is because they don't actually care about female representation. They want money and its easier to do that with women because we're already seen and treated as products by most media. Great video btw
Oh no! Wokie is upset that women look like women! How dare they! This they/them wants Concord levels of design, just look at how successful that game was...oh, right...
@Rpground Someone with an mlp profile pic is calling me woke??? Mlp??? All the girls' main cast, literally about the power of friendship, has multiple episodes about celebrating people's differences, show???
@@axolotl-cg7it Accepting everyone for who they are is how we got drag queen story hour and this war in femininity/masculinity. So don't throw that in my face when you can't even live up to those standards yourself.
OMG bro, you know that you are the problem right? if someone with your line of thinking gets into a position were they can do change, the game will fail... is a garanty that the game will lose money, these moral cruzades don't belong in gatcha games. WHO cares about female representation, the goal of the bussiness is to make money and content for the people who pay for it, how you can't undestand this? why can't people like you undestand that you are not the majority, that is why games that try this shit FAIL.
I agree with the video but I would suggest Star Rail slowly gets better with the male designs. Boothill got some crazy metal body, and Dr. Ratio has a cool outfit inspired with ancient greece. I think its just going to be better. Gallagher is also original in my opinion because he has that restaurant/bar worker uniform thing going on. Most men still are kinda boring, but i want to give credit where its deserved. Especially with Dr. Ratio because hes very simple, but stands out regardless.
@@bulat9331 What do 99% of men wear IRL. Do you want them to wear short-shorts, yukata and Chiitan costumes? Ain't gonna happen, especially because people hate on any male design that deviates from gender norms and traditions (like Lyney from Genshin Impact)
So far Arknights is showing some promise with the male to female ratio with a good amount of 6 star male characters, but not enough to close the gap. At least we're getting Logo and Ulpi who are both 6 star characters soom so they understand there is a market for male characters!
Wuwa males are very well designed, imo. Xiangli Yao is the best dps character in the game right now. I think Wuwa treats their men well, giving screen time, cool design, strong kits... they just don't do it often, sadly. It's hard to attract the male enthusiasts when hey aren't given the chance. I'm hoping Love and Deepspace will change that.
Genshin actually has crazy good male characters. I'm usually a waifu puller, with no male characters in Wuthering, Zenless and HSR. But in genshin, I actively pulled for GaMing and Neuvillette, and intend to get Venti, Itto and Zhongli too.
Can't relate how you'd pull for Genshin men but not for HSR men, where the male characters are far from 'perfect personality and agreeable morals' yet still respectable and sell well, with great gamekit too. Aventurine? Boothill? Imbibitor Lunae? Luocha? Even Jiaoqiu who has no problems poisoning his food for a goal despite him being a chef? How about Dr Ratio who's a professor but the way he insults people is rarely ideal for a teacher? Other than Childe who killed people for his version of greater good, as a girl I noticed Genshin tends to make the males really agreeable and morally upright, which is fairly reasonable, understandable even, but a bit unrealistic really. Not much variety unlike HSR men.
Honestly why I love HSR, it has really good characters as in stories and personalities rather then just gender and designs but I cant deny designs are good too. Dr. Ratio IL Dan Heng Blade Jing Yuan all were hotties and they pushed on that then Adventurine showed up with Dr. Ratio and people lost their minds. And can we plese talk about Acheron and Black Swan! That was beautiful story telling. Its like the characters are _more_ then looks and gender. And Ive played Deep Space for a while, the romance story was ok but the gameplay isnt all that engaging. Makes sense as the focus isnt about gameplay at all but Romancing Otome. I wish we it had both but we are slowly getting there.
Honestly, this is coming from a guy who likes female characters a lot, and plays games reflective of that (Nikke, Wuthwring Waves, etc), but the reason why i personally ended up disliking seeing males in gacha is. Well, I'm exhausted by the pretty boy standards, that i usually see from countries like Japan, Korea, ane China. Which makes sense knowing the country of origin of these gachas. But I'd wish for more superhero-like builds, or builds that are reflective more on the strength a lot of the men should have. Jiyan comes to mind, as despite being a pretty boy, he's built like an athelete with defined muscles. Calchoro in the same game. And i love Yuanwu for the fact he has a beard, which is immensely rare in these genres of gacha. Welt and Siegfried from Honkai Impact 3rd come to mind. Poseidon, Soriz, Vaseraga, etc. from Granblue. It's sort of why it was hard for me to get behind the designs in say Genshin, because none of the men there are beyond the pretty boy look. Even Itto was nerfed. Star Rail has this problem too, so it feels disappointing when you know the male coming out looks like they belong in the same boy band as other pretty boys. Tldr: Gachas need men with MUSCLES and bearde. Also women with abs, thank you.
And we forget that what what we like due to our old media interactions isn't same for others. JP,KR,CN hold their standards rigidly. Most games just follow what's more preferred. Not to mention it's very often I see West playerbase complaining about a thing and east being chill on it and vice versa
the female characters have the same problem tho? Dahya, Beidou and Feixiao are all supposed to be masc women but they've the same slender model, not to mention the lack of actual pants for most women
What happens to me was I was ready to spend money to get xiangli yao then turns out he's free. I'm happy and wants to wait for the next male characther to spend on because i want to show that male characther do sell. But 2 patch later and still no men while kuro really tried to sell the waifus as romantically as possible to the player and tbh it turns me off. I do wonder why won't mix gender games also makes the male characther head over heels for the player? It saves them from making people thinks the NTR stuff. Or is it just because male players thinks its gay??
I'm just gonna stop pulling for waifus after camellya. With her I'll have enough complete teams for meta gaming and won't feel the pressure for a long while. Time to tell them loud and clear 80/20 split is not okay.
Most recent HSR banner: Feixiao, Robin, Kafka, Black Swan, Lingsha and Topaz. Notice something? They're all women. Additionally, it was Topaz's fourth banner. While male characters like Blade and Jing Yuan haven't had a banner in a year. As an F2P husbando collector, I'm a husbando collector because of the smaller number of male characters. I didn’t start that way, I just liked the male characters and eventually decided because of the progressing meta I'd summon for male characters and not bother with female characters, because there's so many of them and they'll eventually lose meta. Although I have a few limited female characters (I have Robin) because good supports will stay good supports for a while because of the amount of supports released.
Blade was in December 2023 and I haven't seen crowds waiting for him same woth Jing Yuan in February 2024 (I have both haven't played any in a giant while) also it is Topaz's third banner do your research
@@rage8631 I'm sorry, I feel like I annoyed you? My point still stands that Blade and Jing Yuan haven't had a rerun in just short of a year, but Topaz had her rerun recently, with Robin's debut. I sort of went off my memory in that aspect. And seriously, if you go anywhere near any sort of media, you would be very aware of the sheer number of f2p fangirls waiting for those male characters because of the obvious lack of them. I'm sorry if I somehow offended you with my imperfect memory?
Well let's take a look at Neuvillette in Genshin. Good story, great design and good voice acting in all languages. It's possible and Capitano will probably make the highest banner sale if he ever comes. I hope WuWa gives the male character another chance. If they were to create a stoty like Shore Keeper with a male character and make it a viable unit, sales would certainly be very good then.
honestly surprised you didnt mention more of the the solo gender gachas. any with just men or just women and how they compare to each other. theres so many horrible moments too, like when love live (all girls) was going to have a collab and every man FREAKED the fuck out at the IDEA that they were going to talk to a guy
Ur point abt male chrs being mid/bad in gameplay wise fits for Sunday...especially after seeing his kits leaks lmfao (seriously...another Harmony...sure, Sunday was most likely to be Harmony considering his story but COME ON MAN...)
@@cynolover Just looked into him, and yeah he definitely sounds mid for the current meta. Advanceing actions is nice but buffing damage is better, and storing energy doesn't really seem that useful for current characters. But it seems like he's gonna be good for summon characters like Jing Yuan. So he'll probably have a small niche in the future.
@@bladimirvideos I mean pattern recognition dictates he'll be broken, at least until the waifu version of him that advances all summons comes out in like patch 3.2 or something.
I love Star Rail, but I'd like some more male characters with story and decent designs. I kinda quit Zenless because the water balloon jiggle physics was distracting. By "distracting" I don't mean it in an aroused way. Like, you wanna tell a story but here comes skintight water balloons! Sexy character design is fine, great even, but there is a point to which it just becomes discount softcore.
Same in Wuwa. Their tights and chest jiggles like a entire body is just like waterbaloons. I quit playing, because only characters I could play were male Rover, 5 star standart military male (forgot his name), Verina and 4 star mad scientist. And the game kept freezing 10-20 seconds. And Shorekeeper has a worst design, she literally walks around in her lingerie lazy to change apropriate clothes. Girl, you are in apolicyse era, not in a strip club.
@@anetepaulakrinicka7830 We left the Apocalypse long ago when they rewrote the story. We just so happen to be in an Apocalypse. Also. To make things worst Storekeeper isn't even Human. Just a Guardian that Rover Made in his past life. Which is also in love with him. I love my Wife. 💕
Recipe to ruin a great female design is to overdo it. In Wuwa there are some fantastic designs like Jinhsi and Camellya, but do I need to see Yinlin's bouncing fruit baskets in my face every time I do her ultimate? Nah. ZZZ kind of offended me when I saw Yanagi for the first time. Like, come on! She would have looked just fine had you toned it down a bit (like Nicole pre-release) but we gotta make money somehow, I guess.
Arknights consistently has guys in the top 10 of their popularity polls. so I feel like they're doing something right, though I think part of it is that like Aventurine a lot of them are surrounded by good writing and also built up in advance of them actually debuting as playable characters. Role diversity isn't really an issue either as most of the archetypes have male and female representation in that respect and a lot of the strongest picks in those groups are guys like Mlynar and Chongyue (Who are both crowd-clearing damage dealers).
Honkai impact 3rd player here since hov arrival Try just TRY to say adding male characters could be a very good thing and that the only waifu game was an early hoyo thing and that they HAVE to evolve and You Get Crushed whithout placing a word .......
CN is upset because any man threat them, they think they Will take away the waifus (they dont take same sex relationship as serious as hetero) Global would get mad because threats the Yuri relationships
I'm someone who enjoys both waifus and husbandos, but admittedly I prefer male designs and characters (i'm a seriously deranged otome enjoyer and have played a myriad of dating sims LaDS included). I'm f2p, so perhaps my voice isn't going to be as large as those who can use money to turn the tide, but I completely agree. Plenty of men hating male players had yelled at Kurogames to stop making male characters (in regards to both WuWa and PGR). Which I think Kurogames does pretty well with Male character design and story. I don't get why we can't have both male and female characters be equally treated. It's not like women dislike waifus. In fact, women LOVE waifus. Most women ARE the ones drawing those waifus that male players swear by. So I don't understand why women can't ALSO have husbandos when gachas like PGR/WuWa, HSR, GI, etc. literally PROMOTE the fact they provide both. I'm ngl, sure Hoyo did make Tears of Themis, but ToT is nowhere as successful as LaDS, and even in an otome gacha game meant to target the audience they're neglecting, the main guys aren't even mind blowingly hot or well written at some points. I wish gachas were like before. Other than Brave Frontier, there were other gachas i enjoyed, like Unison League, Puzzles and Dragons, Kings Raid, and more, that had a good amount of high quality male designs and stories. The only few games that I know with comparable male-female ratios that persist today would be Epic 7 and Arknights, both games I have a bit of a love/hate relationship with, not because of the characters provided, but because they're way too grindy. PGR, HSR, WuWa, etc are in a position where they can capitalize on the husbando market, specifically BECAUSE it isn't as grind heavy and very casual-friendly. Again, to end this off, I'm the kind of sick degenerate who's into both waifus and husbandos and prefer gachas only to pull for them over whether their meta or not, but I'd definitely like to see my husbandos get the same treatment as my waifus in terms of technical kits, story, and design. (side note: I'm such the opposite of you, Bladimir. I'm a sucker for suits. But you are right in saying there's too many.)
The day an actual gacha masc character gets a slvtty outfit but with a buff bear body model is the day I can happily break my f2p record. Let the men be sltty too gacha developers!
Funny, there's no male in genshin and Honkai that draw me in as much as males in FGO. I only waifu collector in Hoyo games, while FGO, hmmm Munenori Yagyuu go swing
I've seen people mention gachas with a good number of men in the comments, and I'd like to share a unique gacha game with an all-male, non-card based cast: the tale of food. it's basically food fantasy if it was based on just chinese food and all characters were males. The boys are food personifications who sacrificed their memories to protect Kongsang (main setting), and the story mainly revolves around reforging bonds with them (I don't know much of the story though, due to being too busy to play I don't have all event stories and I'm currently blocked from continuing the main story). You can farm for ingredients, cook dishes with them and offer them to people at a restaurant. You can also give the boys gifts. I'll be honest, the game isn't that perfect; the EN translations and voice acting can be really bad at times, which I guess is to be expected from something not that popular in the EN gacha scene. The game is very grindy, with tons of menus that you want to interact with if you want to get your dailies done, and the gacha rates aren't that great. I could talk more on the game's pros and cons, but I think it's better if you experience it for yourself. I can't guarantee you'll enjoy it, but in case you want a gacha made solely of men with an expanding cast instead of being card based like Obey Me and LnD, I hope I can help you find that lmao ^-^'
THE TALE OF FOOD MENTION 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 Also the mc can be male which are great for bisexual/gay men, and the mc can be female also to give the girls what they want
Gacha games tend to have phenomenal designs for women. That streetwear ninja girl is a perfect example. It's lewd and cool all at once. I think male characters also deserve more love, but I never know what people want out of a man. I'm not attracted to men, and I don't think they're as cool. For someone who DOES find men hot, what kinds of men do they want? Will women/gay guys simp and whale for male characters in the same way?
For me personally, someone who prefers male characters, I really want more buff male characters with facial hair. Male characters like Aventurine or Dr. Ratio I can see having their respected fan base and have no issue with. But when you're in a gatcha game with a crazy ratio desparity between male and female characters who all generally have that pretty Asian beauty standards... I just want a buff cool male. Hence, my love in Star Rail is Gallagher despite being a 4* unit with honestly not that much screen time.
In general, women tend not to prefer super buff guys. It's actually mostly men who like to see the ultra masculine characters. I'm a woman and I personally do not find it appealing at all. With HSR I'd say Gallagher is the upper limit. Some women are exceptions, but that's on average. Aventurine or Sunday are perfect in my opinion. That's part of the reason why so many gacha characters are pretty boys, because those designs do really well with women. Especially in Asian markets. Kpop boy groups are massively popular for a reason.
I just like a masculine presenting guy with a massive case of gap moe where he's allowed to be soft and oddly cute despite his appearance, yea know, that gentle giant stuff?
14:55 "Slash underage- WOAH DID I SAY THAT?" 💀💀 I haven't finished the video yet, but I just want to point out that Genshin is a really good example. Out of the Seven archons, only two are male (Neuvillette is a sovereign, not an archon, he doesn't count), and in the recent Natlan update, only two of the ten characters are male. And they're the most basic, generic, black - clothed ones, with Kinich just wearing a basic shirt and trousers, and Ororon being a Gacha life emo boy.
LITERALLY. Kinich at least has like the thematic of 'pixels' I guess.. But Ororon it's just...⚰ I've noticed a decline for male characters designs since Sumeru ended tbh
@@pinkhazzard Ororon looks like he came straight out of a 2010 Hot Topic. I've not touched Genshin Impact in a while (gacha fatigue and laziness combined) but I get the impression they just dropped the ball with the Natlan character designs (a fair deal of them look anachronistic and more in line with ZZZ's characters). EDIT: I have problems with Xilonen for the same anachronism-related reasons but I generally don't see her getting as much flak since she's pretty. Maybe it's just cause most of the circles I'm in tend to be himejoshi-dominated so there's obvious bias towards female characters (though Chasca tends to get lambasted regardless because her design just feels like a culmination of everything wrong with HYV designs).
While I like Kinich he is kind of just a redone Xiao for the dedicated Xiao-lover fanbase. Ororon is indefensible, like what in the deviantart OC is this? We having 3-stars in Genshin now?
Just look at Limbus Company, the rate of character is 50:50 There is 6 male and 6 female playable cahracter, each with their own personality and realy good interaction
Surprisingly there are some male liker gacha games which cater to different types of desings like NU Carnival which its mostly those "pretty boy" types of male designs in anime, Tokyo AfterSchool Summoners, Live a Hero, GYEE which mostly have furry or human male characters with more "manly" or bulky types of desings with all the fanservice you'd could imagine (id say TAS and LAH are more furry bara oriented and GYEE it's mostly big burly muscular men oriented) there are 2 more but those are NSFW
That's because these players can't grow up if they can have the idea of their waifu dating a guy it got so bad that blue archive thought they were getting cheated on by another game just shows you how unhinged or how bad the player base be let's not forget about the bunny incident this shows you how crazy and delusional these players are but it's not all the community only the toxic ones Because their procession of reality is these waifus are real no matter what you say to these people you can't convince them it's like literally talking to a brick wall
The point is, is it worth it to convince them to get out of this? Let's be honest, when it comes to dating scene, dating a fictional character it still better
In my opinion, people like badass men and cute sexy girl. When the male design looks soft, people turn their head away. The logic is simple. When player play badass male character, they pretend to be that character. When player play a cute female character, that's their waifu and they get to stare into her ass 24/7.
You are talking about yourself.I think majority of men like woman with solid personality like arlecchino from genshin and kafka from hsr.Their popularity proves my point.
I think Reverse 1999 did a good job with a character called 6. He's considered a must pull for the game and his abilities made him quite valuable. He might be power crept by another character in the future from what I heard but he is one of the most versatile. His story in game is interesting as well. The ratio is heavy towards women too but the male characters do have niches that I use. Arknights like you said also has a good roster but yeah there are a lot of suits...
I wonder how many people would have pulled for Xiangli Yao in Wuthering Waves if they hadn't given him for free. Not many, and he is a proven top tier DPS.
I'm glad someone else is also aware of this fact. I would like to have more male characters as good as females but you know how the market goes, sell hot waifus for weeb cmmers, specially in asia cause they spend crazy amounts on gachas. Epic 7 has pretty solid male designs tho and don't even get me started on Alchemist Code designs (damn I miss that game) none of which are mainstream today Thing is, when people talk about gachas they only think about the hoyoverse triplets or anything amongst that style as a game
The writing of a character helps in them being a money maker or not. Firefly got that and Acheron too. Something the Honkai team needs to do for the guys. Make us care or want them. It shouldn't be hard. Sucks Boothill didn't get good writing, but his game play and quirks made me want him. Mostly he preventing himself from cursing. That's comedy gold.
exactly. Not a male character, but I went into Natlan expecting to hate Citlali (The pink haired cryo girl), but they wrote her so well (and didn't just write her to be MC love interest) that I'm actually convinced to pull for her. They were able to make me go from hating a character to loving a character with good writing and it doesn't even need to be waifu bait. So WHY can they not do that for male characters.
I agree with the video whole heartedly. My personal account collection in Star Rail is largely curated around the males because I actually don’t prefer to goon, so sometimes I wait an untold number of patches for a good pull target. Not that I don’t aim for women sometimes too, but I have really high standards and look for characters that will actually appeal to me long-term instead of just being a novelty of the month. So far the only character in that regard has been Robin.
Tbh, Arknights does treat their men well, but they still dont quite sell. Despite being a Sui, wich is a family of dragons that Arknights releases a new memeber every year, Chonyue is one of the lowest limiteds. And he was given some love. And developers do give males some of the strongest characters, currently the most powerful dps is a male, and soon the best Caster will also be, but idk, they still arent selling.
I actually think Wuthering Waves does very well in this aspect. Yes, about 75% of the cast are women, and that won't be changing any time soon. But the men they have are very well developed and have good designs, plenty of screentime, and lots of marketing behind them. Jiyan gets a ton of time in the main story and his own quest. Aalto isn't there for long but he and Encore are an unforgettable comedic duo. Xiangli Yao was the main focus of the patch he debuted in, even overshadowing Zhezhi. Even Yuanwu, who only barely exists, is one of the best teammates for Jinhsi, one of the most popular characters in the game. Wuwa so far is doing much better than other games when it comes to how they treat their men and I'm excited for future husbando characters.
i see where your coming from but china has tooooooooooooooooooooo much of a hold on the market and looking at how good the original wuwa story and how the cn community didnt like it we're stuck till some company want to be the change.
love your insight one this, I personally love pulling for both male and female characters but since most of the gotcha I have been playing recently are waifu focused I have been severely missing male characters in gotchas like brave frontiers where the male characters get amazing designs and not afraid to show some skin like the female characters.
Idk if you forget about Ensemble Stars is that EVIL NUM+ did kinda well because of the character and the design for the unit. I was expecting the MV did very well and it has almost 2 million views and the performance from them, heck even the choice of members. Ngl I'm dissapointed when they didn't release many male characters
I can explain in a few sentences what you wonder about in the entire video. Men find women hot if they are straight, and many gamers are. Women find women pretty, cute or attractive (or want their clothes). Men (straight) do not care much about men around, especially not if they can have a hot girl instead. And women may like hot guys, but they like hot girls just as much (usually). Gamers are still predominantly males who are straight... and thus the lack of popularity for male gatcha options is explained, as companies want your money, so they go with the easy option - the hot animu chick.
I think it's a bit more complicated than that. I mean, I don't think any of that is untrue, but keep in mind that outside of the gacha / anime game sphere male playable characters are MORE common, especially male protagonists. (Even on JRPGs or fighting games with several playble characters, it tends to be close to a 50/50 split) And if women like pretty women, men often like cool men. Look at the popularity of characters like Dante, or Kratos, or Solid Snake... Heck, look up any list with "The most popular" or "the most iconic" videogame characters in history, and the men far outnumber the women. (For example... Earlier this year, Bafta made a public pool to find out the most iconic video game characters. Out of the 20 characters in that list, only 3 are female. Thought it's worth mentioned that Lara Croft got first place.) Men who prefer to play as / be surrounded by female characters have always existed, but I think this phenomenon were male characters are so overwhadowed by female ones is more specific to anime games and, specially, to the gacha sphere. (And it's probably deeply connected to the "waifu culture" in those spheres.)
There are a few things that I wanted to bring up in regards to this topic (longer comment incoming) 1) Jing Yuan was Ridiculously well received in star rail. Winning a large popularity poll and having some of the highest earnings in the history of the game. (But as stated in the video, that's really hard to gauge) 2) People will always play what's good regardless of esthetics. If the best character is 'married' or 'the wrong gender', a lot of people will run the character anyway. Even if they don't like them. Hell, I actively dislike Sparkle and Ruan Mei as characters, but I still run them both all the time. And 3) I think selling the Chinese market on bois is a bit of an uphill battle. There are significantly more men than women over there, and only focusing on one's own market is a problem across the entertainment industry.
Really good video! And I am glad that it is another guy who talks about this problem. If you were a woman you might as well have skipped posting this video, because the hate you would get...
On the topic of Arknights: I feel it treats its male characters well both in terms of gameplay and story. There are many deep and interesting male characters with important roles, and gameplay-wise the proportion of "meta" characters is roughly the same between males and females. I think where Arknights fails is the marketing and the female:male ratio. Arknights has a roughly 75:25 (playable*) female to male ratio iirc. This ratio translates to the "stars" of the banners: most banners in Arknights put out 3 or 4 characters and almost always the most marketed one is female. This is most notable on limited banners (the ones most people look foward to) where there's just one male limited character out of, like, 15 or so total limited characters. I think the banner coming up next month is a good example. We're getting two of the most powerful characters the game has seen: one male, one female. The female trivializes most content; the male, while not so strong, is clearly the strongest character of his class. Story wise, I think (and there's a lot of people who agree with me here) the male is a lot more interesting and likeable than the female. But the marketing is all centered around the female, with her being the limited character and all. *I say "playable" because, if you include story-relevant NPCs, the ratio is probably a lot closer to 50:50. There are a lot of males characters in NPC jail, and a lot of male villains too.
Ngl, i gravitate towards female characters in Gacha, but for the most part, i have the "rule of cool" mentality. And it's because of what you pointed out: design and focus. Most male designs fall into the "pretty/bishounen/young generic character", but if they look cool/have an interesting background, i'm all in for using/pulling them. But the devs surely have favorites "marketable waifus" if you will. Examples of this are Blade and Boothill (proud e1s1 yeehaw main), from HSR, and it still pisses me off how Hoyo kept treating him in terms of story/focus. 2.2 Boothill sucks, he got squished between Acheron/Robin and Firefly banners (so most f2p had to save and skip), his only event was a dispatch/comission event, and it's getting a second rerun in 2.6. The other reason is complementary: if i'm gonna spend an unreasonable amount of time on gachas/mmos/live services, if it's a third person camera, i'll probably pick up the female characters (instead of looking at super unrealistic mega buffed dudes or prettier than the sun guys).
All the meta male units in Arknights are damage dealers. SilverAsh, Mlynar, Thorns, Mountain, Logos, Ulpianus, Gnosis -- they're all DPSes. Only one meta guy -- Lumen -- is a healer.
This just reminded me of Azur Promilia, people saw a male npc and disaster ensued online about male playable character, the devs even had to make a statement confirming no male character will be playable
Genshin impact demographycaly speaking, is both played equally by men and women, mobile gacha games in japan is more played by men, but generally speaking, gacha games have women players on the rise. I wish, as a woman, that the "wifu" stupidity stop.
I actually find hsr men quite good. Imo they are treated well in the story and by the gameplay no matter how they are expected to be selled Take the boothill for instance, he has extremely good combat design, which goes perfectly with his lore. He is one of the strongest characters in the game, one of the best for speedruns and 0 cycles, has enourmous amount of damage and very flexible team comps. Compare this to the firefly, who is very strong, but a relatively expensive to play, cuz she wants several 5* supports that are getting released (lingsha, upcoming tingyoung), and her e2 is a heavy bait. Boothill has a very strong future story potential, good lore, but couldn't be included more to the penacony's arc due to it's oversaturation with characters. Story wise, i still think male character still get a focus. Dang Heng IL, Aventurine, Blade, Jing Yuan and others, even Jiaoqiu got a big focus in the recent story quest. The thing is, it's not actually that important for a waifu character to be good story wise. Female characters struggle from being presented as a "waifu" or "mommy material" in the story (yes, firefly) But i get the sense that they kinda dropped the idea of selling the male characters. Some are getting released before heavily expected characters (boothill, jiaoqiu) so they just can't sell well. Some are even given for free (dr ratio and there is a rumor that another male 5* could be free). The exception is aventurine, who is very desirable in most of the team composition and has a lot of functions aside from being a sustain, they really tried to sell him. But that's like 1 male characters per 1/2 year.
I think another issue is live sevice games sometimes change their plans. Like if a healer girl doesnt sell. Might not see one again for a year. And if a male doesnt sell...*poof
Damn I forgot to use this example! In regards to Male vs Female designs, compare the Male and Female Main characters from Wuthering Waves. The guy looks like the most milk toast generic anime MC ever created. And the Female MC actually has a distinct design that stands out. Of course its subjective weather or not the designs are good, its up to your personal taste to decide.
Saying this with ZZZ pfp is wild! At least wuwa's mc has actual fun and engaging gameplay compared to whatever you think is "creative"
This is pure bias and a L take
@@denji4740 I actually don't like the MCs from Zenless. But they're also weird kinda self insert NPCs and not playable in the normal sense, so I didn't bring them up. I also don't think the Male MC from Wuthering is bad, just generic, or milk toast as I put it. The dichotomy between the Male and Fem MCs is really funny to me tho which is why I brought it up.
Edit: Also I was talking purely about design and not gameplay. Havoc Rover is really fun, but that has nothing to do with my comment.
@@denji4740 at least wuwa mc is swag and cool enough to have a boss aura dedicated for him, also Jiyan, Mortefi, GeShu Lin, Scar, Aalto, and more, my god this guy is such a fucking joke.
the only thing why Male character dont sell well is because lack of real coolness, swag, the aura which girl even fallen over with in otome game, also a male character has to give not 'generic' feeling, but feel like cool, that associate with you.
@@bladimirvideos Calcharo and Xiangling exist they might as well be the mc’s since there both free
Yao xiangling is free from the event, and Calcharo technically since there were two standard char selectors, if a player cared about male characters ofc they would chose him or Tiger boi…
The male character roster isn’t completely dead so why spread misinformation like this also
Jiyan is pretty cool too. You should start off with ZZZ or other games when it comes to criticism because it will sound like your nitpicking because it’s hoyo’s competition…
@@bladimirvideos What did Kuro do to you? If you like male characters be happy you can get them for free and save for scar and genshulin…I wish I got shore keeper free
You forgot the NTR problem. Asian players will demolish gamedevs to the ground if a male character ever dares to get close to someone's waifu, which is something reasonably within the realm of possibility if the game has any male character at all
What they tried to do with Wanderer (twice) but the developers actually held their ground.
Its such a strange thing, i may absolutely love my waifus and im definitely scitzo for them but how deranged do you gotta be to think you can be ntr'd by pixels?
@@phosspatharios9680 honestly the NTR topic deserves its own dedicated video. With how deep that rabbit hole goes I could make an entire movie length video if I wanted to lol. I might do that at some point, could be an interesting topic to discuss.
I might be stupid but what does NTR mean??
@@obsidianstar9089 NTR is short for Netorare, a Japanese word that basically means cheating. A lot of players get attached to female characters to the point where they delude themselves into thinking they are in a relationship with them. So when a male characters has literally any type of interaction with a women these players get mad cause the women is "cheating" on them. It's honestly really sad to see.
Neuvillette is a great example of how to do a male character right. Amazing design, likeable character, great marketing, huge story significance, absurdly powerful. And his banner sold really, really well.
Also helps that he's one of the best DPS in the game that can clear floor 11 and 12 on his own.
And he's a Dragon and Chinese look up their dragons highly.
Only Possible if a Gacha game starts off showing that it has male and female characters.
Sunday
Don't lie neuvillette banner didn't sell well, it was his next rerun when people realised how broken is he then they start pulling him, even with that tho his banner still sold atl "average " at best
If there's something like a 4-1 ratio of female to male characters, then waifu collectors will need to pay to get them all, while husbando collectors likely won't need to break f2p status. This alone pretty much guarantees that male banners will do worse.
those people with money don't like it, they want money, there is not much to talk about it.
I started playing Honkai Star Rail in 1.6. I was able to get every single new limited 5 star male character without spending a dime on the game and even then some like eidolons, lightcones, and even some female characters (Black Swan and Feixiao). This is 100% true. There is no reason for female players to spend or spend a lot when they can just get all the male characters they want for free.
true, waifu collector here that played genshin impact,
the constant release of male characters during the sumeru versions kept me away from spending any money which i normally do.
and the primogems i saved during that period last til like half way into fontaine around 4.3 which i ran out and start spending again.
I remember an art competion in epic seven where a male art ended up winning and the whole community start hating on the artist and try to cancel his prize, the devs ended up disqualifying the artist for a stupid reason and he give up on making arts for the game.
Fr. could you drop the link or website?
wtf....
Yep, sounds like peak inceI rage
That's fucked.
I'm kind of glad I stopped playing that game if the devs seriously caved to their vocal side of their fanbase for that reason.
15:16 some will go all out of their way to comment on male characters pv to say "its a guy i won't pull" like bro who asked 💀
But there r also a lot of ppl who comment on female chars that they wont pull simple bc theyre a women esoecially on twitter. So this goes both ways
@mimik2829 I've never seen that happen anywhere but twitter.
fr esp sunday and jiaoqiu, let our boys shine their own. even i found a guy whos angry that he needs to pull jiaoqiu for his acheron lmao.
@@mimik2829The other side is more common. Incels constantly diss male characters and say they won't pull because they're not waifu.
@@mimik2829 I feel like this is done in retaliation to all the waifu-addicted people who act like male characters shouldn't be in the game. We've been hurt before by games such as HI3 so if it means we go to war to defend the existence of husbandos then I'd say it's justified.
If the male character enjoyers got treated better then there'd be no reason to hate on the waifus.
i don't get why star rail is so scared to release screwllum as a playable character when it's proven that in zzz, someone like von lycaon can sell well
@@lillyie I remember when the game came out my original plan was to save for Kafka and Screllun, cause I thought hed release in year one. A year and a half later and he's nowhere to be seen 😭
He was supposed to be in 1.6 but Ratio ended up replacing his banner according to leaks
And as for now, he isn't a major story character but Hoyo already planned big plot with him digging Rubert's tomb
Honestly probably a good thing he didn't release earlier. Hopefully he's given a good kit so he sticks around for a while without being power creeped.
i want him so bad 😭
uh because its not his time yet?
Quite ironic for a game like FGO, widely known to genderswap its characters for whatever reason because "waifu", to be respectful of the male characters they produce. You're talking about Oberon from a story standpoint, but know also that he's one of the best supports in the game given how crazy powerful he can make other characters.
FGO men are built different and aren't that lacking
I’m holding out hope that Sunday from HSR will start a huge change. I haven’t looked at exact statistics, but just looking around different social medias shows you that people are HYPED for this man. If Sunday’s banner proves lucrative, this may be the start of something more diverse
we dont need your diversity
My opinion on this is... that weeb culture in general forgot how to make cool masculine characters. Back in the day we had Kenshiro, Spike, Sesshomaru, Dio, Guts...
Since most of these gacha games take inspiration from already existing archetypes, it is not surprising that they´re very comfortable doing cool/attractive female characters, but fail to do the same with men since nowadays is all generic isekai dudes, femboys, teenagers that are terrified of being 5m from any female.
Fortunately there has been strives in masculine characters making comebacks as shows such as Baki Hanma and Blue Lock seem are incredibly popular for newer gen shows
@@PeruvianPotato Yeah there's a few of them fortunately (Thorfinn also comes to mind)... but the amount of popular/cool female characters outnumber male characters.
>Sesshomaru
>Masculine
Also women aren't exactly diverse in anime either, even less so than men despite there (usually) being more of them. Most of them are young, skinny, thin, with one of the several different anime archetypes of a personality. This applies even moreso to gatcha, where women are sold as objects of desire, and therefore can't exactly be "ugly" or (too) unlikable.
Also diversify your anime a bit, try Akudama Drive or Urusei Yatsura
@@annak3342 Sesshomaru being pretty doesn´t make him less masculine lol.
Yeah, I agree. Women aren´t really that diverse either. However there´s still more inspiration to make appealing female characters than male characters.
@@esaualfaro3447
Key word here is "appealing", being forced to be "appealing" limits female characters to begin with.
How often do you see really masculine, muscular or older women in anime? Ones that actually LOOK that way, with crow's feet, wrinkles, fat or actual musculature? The only reason there's more "inspiration" for female characters here is because there are inherently more waifu tropes. You're mostly complaining about male characters that are either made to be self-inserts, side characters who are meant to be non-threatening for the self-insert to not get feel like they're NTR'd, or men made to appeal to women, so not your target audience to begin with.
These games (mostly Mihoyo) seem to actively sabotage male characters in favour of the female ones in terms of banner order, reruns and such. If I remember correctly Jingyuan from HSR is actually the most popular character, with Dan Heng IL being one of the most retweeted drip markets and now Sunday's reveal is trending and has overtaken Dan Heng. I think people absolutely love male characters who are done well but it's so infrequent. Genshin Impact has Wriothesley who based on banner sales you'd think is unpopular (but people absolutely love him). He hasn't had a rerun in over a year and his debut sales were bad because of the other characters people wanted to save for (and Cryo being terrible in the meta). At least husbandos are easier to go f2p.
If they stopped screwing over male characters maybe they'd actually realise there's a good market there? Are the waifu enjoyers not yet broke? Not yet bored? Why pull for Acheron and Feixiao and Firefly and Robin and Ruan Mei when a month later the next meta waifu is revealed?
Ikr.
Look at every break related supports, fire.
The upcoming break support, Fugue, fire.
Who will benefit the most? I don't know, Boothill? Rappa?
Oh no! It's HSR's all time favorite! Firefly!
They freaking made an entire fire roster just for her. You usually don't get the same elements and paths back to back together. Too unusual.
Gallagher, Fire Abundance, just came out and suddenly there is a Lingsha, Fire Abundance???
Jiaoqiu, Fire Nihility, even if he isn't perfect break support, he can easily apply vulnerability and reduce fire toughness, now there is another Fire Nihility???
Blatant favoritism, now with all the break supports being fire, they wouldn't release any break related supports soon, which means no PHYSICAL BREAK support for Boothill.
Firefly doesn't need 150% weakness efficiency, when she have the entire roster for her.
in genshin a lot of male characters are the ones who have the most character development/screentime: kazuha, xiao, scaramouche, neuvilette, kaveh, childe, dain, it is certainly not as bad as it is in hsr, especially that xiao got like 2 supports for himself, and neuvi being the best dps in the game that got buffed with xilonen just now
@@raywa5821 I honestly do not know why the fuq everything became so cheesy once firefly appeared in the story, making everything turned into a shitstorm, but people wouldn't mind as long as they make firefly one of the most broken characters
Shit character & plot + OP kit = good $$$
@@onedayiwillbegone2366 ikr? They literally degraded the trailblazer to a 100% memelord hypocrite that drools over FF from the get go (unearned) but is SuSpiCioUs of all other Stellaron Hunters and still hates Sampo for some reason even though the guy literally saved them and helped save Belobog and all his ''horrible crimes'' amount to some silly scams (vs FF/SAM who's known to be ruthless mind you)
I honestly would've loved if they did something that's actually interesting with FF because she does have potential, but in the end she ended up being just another no substance waifu.
Another problem is Dottore is hated, but Ruan Mei is loved by fandom. They both are written as mad scientists with cruel experiments.
I swear, if you simp/like Dottore, people gonna send death treats and harass you for liking him. But on Ruan Mei, no, because she is a waifu.
I swear, if Dottore was a woman, people would forgive just like how they forgive on Ei for turning Inazuma into torture over 500 years.
Ruan Mei is functionally lovable and even waifu-able if you completely ignore her character story and only focus on everything else about her. She has a pretty lady design, she's a genius whose rare buff in Simulated Universe turns the game so in your favor it is laughable, and is a support who boosts the damage your team does and helps suppress enemy actions in a turn-based game where each side gets to have actions. But all of that belies the fact that she is an emotionless bitch who does not love or have empathy for the things she creates, and uses you the player to clean up a mess that she started which incidentally is one of the weekly bosses of the game, a replica of GIANT SPACE DEATH BEETLE THAT CLONES ITSELF.
Do note, all of the favorable descriptive stuff I mentioned about her was stuff that players were being drip fed about her up until her release, so the image of Ruan Mei being a cool beauty genius was already sculpted in their head before the story came in to kick that pedestal down. And while there are people who still choose to brush over the rather unsavory parts about Ruan Mei, her place within the fandom is as of current "potential threat upon the cosmos, but she's still meta support", so people will still find a way to end up pulling for her (myself included).
I've seen people hate Ruan Mei as well, probably not to the extent like sending death threats like you said though (Genshin players are crazy).
I personally like both of them as characters because morally grey characters like them are rarer in both of their games: its refreshing from the happy go lucky characters.
Really? Cuz from what I've seen, it's usually the opposite as I see many people either defend or whitewash his crimes just cuz he's hot (and I should know cuz Collei is my favorite character in the game)
@@KrofisPlays Yeah it’s so ironic. Ruan Mei is one of Firefly’s best teammates in gameplay but if they met in story and Firefly found out about what she did, she would beyond HATE her and burn her to ashes.
Agree completely. I did pull for her but only behave she’s pretty much necessary for break teams.
Nah.will never forgive Dottore based on what he did to Collei.
My only issue with waifu/husbando gachas is that despite how insane people are about "ntr", the games don't even lean at all into relationship mechanics with the characters, at most you get a water thin affection or friendship system, yet everyone goes crazy when male characters exist. As always the loud and vocal weirdos set the tone for everyone else...
I never cared for Firefly. I was mostly interested in the "mystery" of Penacony until she's got in the way and sidetracked the whole thing. I knew Hoyo was making a big deal about her and Acheron which I didn't give a shit about but they were pushing them down my throat. Ultimately Penacony "mystery" was a letdown and the the only 2 characters they cared about annoyed the crap out of me.
So true
I think it's a bit of a shame because I was really excited for Firefly and even pulled for her but then they went all out on canonizing the 'relationship' which felt like a bit too much? Like, we're just going to get a new waifu a few patches later so why bother pushing one in particular in the story when ultimately it won't matter and we'll forget about her.
As a PGR player I can say the men are usually handled very well, when they actually make one. Which doesn't happen often.
There's also some cool male NPCS like shorthalt and some of the politicians
Sorry bro, no time for a male character, it's time for another Liv variant 😎😎😎😎
@Sottoth
*Cue Uncle coming in to carry the fire team on his back, and Sleepy boy doing the same with the ice*
I think that most of the guys are npcs. Playable men are rare and few in between,but I like all of them
Tbf, while still giving fanservice, the "waifu" are not their selling point
As a guy husbando collector, we are starwing😂
I genuinely think that Boothill is going to have a bigger role later on in the story, his insane backstory with the ipc tells me that at some point he's going to have a big role with something to do with that, they can't cook so hard with a backstory and not do something with it later, that plus the fact he's been appearing more (wardance event and 2.6) I feel like they're trying to make him feel mysterious but also trying to get us to like him for when his arc starts
This isn't copium I swear
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ILL KILL MYSELF IF THEY FORGET ABOUT HIM 😭
No I get it, I also geniunely think he's going to be a bigger part of the story once the IPC get even more relevant probably when Oswaldo finally shows up is when Boothill will shine the most since that is the person he's after
@@ishashifar YEAH please Hoyo it'd be so satisfying seeing him actually get his revenge
ME AND YOU BESTIE, ME AND YOU-
GIVE MY CYBORG MAN MORE SCREENTIME, HE DESERVES ITTT
@@Random_Hooman I NEED MORE OF HIM SO BAD
THEY SAY SUNDAY FANS SUFFER THE MOST BUT HE HAD A WHOLE ARC AND THEN SOME, US BOOTHILL FANS ARE STUCK WITH CRUMBS 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
honestly half the reason i dropped zzz is because they're allergic to making male limited s-ranks/5 stars/whatever they're called. i wish more gachas would cater to men-likers without being dating sims, every gacha out there has an abundance of waifu characters. (good video btw i agree with your points)
I started cause one is coming after basically a patch (2 half patches in reality).
@@lants420 Yeah I wish the gender ratio was more even, but I'm glad that the few men we do have are well designed, fun/good, and are treated well in the narrative. And thanks, glad you enjoyed the video :)
the game got released like 3 months ago so that's normal. also they literally announced 2 males characters already and it garranteed that one is an S rank
@@xXNaniPTXx i'm just used to genshin and hsr which had male limited 5 stars as early as 1.0, waiting this long for a limited s-rank male has kinda killed the hype for me personally.
We have love and deepspace for at least , though the mc is female, and I'm not aware of any gachas who have an all male cast that isn't targeted towards primarily women
Edit. : I forgot Obey Me! Existed 💀
We really need more Obey me's in the gacha scene , even though it IS a dating sim. I just appreciate the fact that the OM! mc isn't gendered which imo makes the intended audience much more inclusive if that makes sense?? Like yeah it's an otome , but its audience isn't strictly women due to the mc possibly being nb canonically
Agree show me the gacha MEN!
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Might I interest you in limbus company , love and deepspace, , Obey me???/j
As shaby as fgo is as a game, it apsolutely demolishes most gachas in terms of writing men (and writing in general tbh). And idk how well it holds up but I think the male to female ratio was around 1:2. And even this is bc only female characters get new swimsuit varients while men get just costumes (the pain is real) so that further amps the numbers of playable waifus.
To Love and Deepspace: Yes! China players in cases of Honkai Impact 3rd DO despise men, but in that case we're talking about waifu collecting gooners. Love and Deepspace however, IS a Chinese game.
And Hoyo DOES have a successful otome targeted at women called Tears pf Themis. Sadly, it's not well known with most people who play games like Star Rail.
A LOT of really high earning Gachas in China are in fact dating sims targeted at woman, such as Love and Deepspace, TOT but also titles like Light and Night (Only available in China) or Mr Love, etc. Chinese women go crazy for men. I'm not gonna be surprised when even more Chinese otome titles targeted at woman will spread into the west in the coming years
Anyways, I have Boothill and he's hot. Save a horse, ride a cowboy.
Sorry, but look at what TOT basically is: Dialogue after dialogue after dialogue, the combat is auto-argument + card game, they only have four male characters that change clothes for new banners and who partly undress for events. I played it for like three months and it bored me half to death. Which told me once again: MHY don't care about male chars. TOT feels like a cheap excuse, "but we DO make games for husbando enjoyers".
I don't want to play otome. I want to take my guys and beat up the enemies. I want to run around with them and discover the world. I want them to flex their muscles and take screenshots of their cake. Is that too much to ask?
@@SeiichirouUta
First and foremost, you say "I don't want to play Otome" then why are you here complaining about an otome that isn't even targeted at players like you?
TOT is a classic Otome. Nearly every other otome both in and outside of China is like the way you descibed. If you wanna run around and take screenshots, play Genshin.If the gaming format is not your style, don't blame the game.
I've been playing TOT consistently for 3 years now, even though I take regular breaks with other Hoyo games. I've spent more money on TOT than on Genshin. The boys are well written, there's beautiful art and the updates regularly strive to have TOT keep up with new otomes.
So yes, Mihoyo DOES make games specifically targeted at women and they care about these boys (see: literally all the merch and the boys being presented at the MHY hq in Shanghai with other characters). Just because you don't like the game, doesn't mean it's shit.
@@SeiichirouUta hoyo games are mostly story driven and so is thears of themis, sorry if u dotn enjoy the story for what is it (personally think its rather good) then theres nothing to look in there for u, its a good side game (if u ignore events) as in u do dailies and log out
love and deep space should be called the most stingy game in history, as a player myslef i am getting more and more tired, thanks game for the 10 limited pulls to pull on a character i dont want or for it to completly go to waste, bc u cannot give crystals as a reward so people could save right
@@Ekklesia2680 It just took TOT as an example as one of the few otome I've played so far. I found all of them boring. What I wanted to say is that the typical genre for male char dominated gacha games seems to be otome and that just sucks. I would like to see a game like Genshin or Wuwa that concentrates on male chars.
Also I never said that TOT was shit. If you know enough about how games are made you can easily see that it is cheaply made. So please stop putting words where I didn't write them.
I wish to spread Limbus Company propaganda (there are exactly 6 main male characters and 6 female main characters)
6 playable males, 8 male mc if we count dante and vergil
Li,bus company always going their own rythm.
They really deserve love
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That's one of the reasons I love Reverse 1999 so much. While male characters are in minority, they all look very unique and interesting. A dope biker, cool old man, an italian gangster, a nerd, a BIRDMAN.
Love love love this game.
I love Reverse 1999, and playing since launch. I agree that yeah most character in reverse 1999 are female (And be Lesbian) But when a male character is added they also get the quality treatment right, with the design like there isn't a single bad character design in the game, So everyone is equal but still has that bias of Female character better than male one. But Reverse 1999 does it the best out of any gacha game.
Second to Limbus company but that's heavily debatable, Since you can only play 12 Sinner (Character), 6 males and 6 females character (Exsclude Charon, Vergilius and Dante since they arent playable) and the gacha is for diferent version of the character (ID), each character get their own moment even when the story isn't focus on them.
I can't keep playing the game, but I do agree it's a very unique design and I was very excited to play it day one. I'm glad to see people still happy with it. They deserve it.
Ehh that's just another Honkai type game where 90 characters are female and 10 are male
lol
They have good writing and design so not quite honkai
The fact that Medicine Pocket (which canonically refers to themselves as they/them) exists in Reverse:1999 is such an amazing move from them too. The masc:femme characters ratio in the game is a bit sad to look at but at least they quality and marketing for either are equal
To quote what Twins Iink said once , the majority of the male characters from gacha are often your favorite taste of butter , there's nothing differing from the standart formula and that can be said about not only about design but also from a story perspective , they're mostly just there , the devs don't give them as much attention as the female characters and their designs dont stand out cuz they're so similar one to another , so far i think FGO is literally the one gacha with equal more treatment between the two genders of characters and ironically that game IS a waifu game , with all the common raunchness you would expect from it
In Korea and especially in China there literally thousands of game fans are protesting many gacha games when they trying to add male characters. Sometimes it ends with threats and real life harassment or attacks, with review bombing, etc. And those markets are usually biggest for Gacha games of new era (as previously most gacha games were Japan-only or Japan+Global).
It looks like there are lots of incels in Korea and China on the news lately protesting and complaining about all sorts of issues to do with women, so I wouldn't be surprised if this sexist ideology is contributing to the current gacha market too.
(I am male) I like to play the game from third-person perspective so I dislike the terms waifus and husbandos both. I want characters to have meaningful relations with others of the cast and not always salivate over the mc. I get one or two characters but everyone loves the mc? Hate that.
I think the diverse and creative designs in Reverse 1999 are really well done, both for the female and male characters, like eg Getian (bird man) and 6 (who wears a Greco Roman robe) are unique designs esp considering the mostly flat silhouettes of male characters in gacha games
But still has more Females than males character, but atleast they arent getting worse treatment like otther gacha game, everyone in reverse 1999 is equal in term of design, Voice, And likable moment in the story.
@@panjinurfadillah2489 true, wish there was more of an even split since i like to collect both. I wonder if most ppl fall under either waifu or husbando collectors exclusively or if there is actually a sizable majority that like both equally
@@matchasketch8224I would imagine most like both, just like any cool characters, but those people are the quiet majority.
@@matchasketch8224 Since majority of any gacha player is Male, It's always gonna be more waifu collectors than husbando, Due to this bias a lot of gacha have so beautiful females waifu design compared to male one(They mostly have just a suit and that's it, nothing unique). But I Still hope Reverse 1999 have more Male focus character Next patch, And a straight romance maybe (The characters in reverse 1999 is all Gay, and European. Not that I am complaining, just need more variety)
@@panjinurfadillah2489 Although I like the character designs too, I'm also hoping for even more variety! Although I have to say A Knight is already very unique considering how most gacha that I know have playable characters with at least a face haha.
As a man who is a husbando collector, I'm so tired of the ratios being off. I played King's Raid for about 5+ years. They had a good balance of men and women, and treated them well(also both men AND women got fan-service skins).
I'd so responsibly spend money on men if gacha creators made and treated their male characters well. I plan to E0 S1 Adventurine on his rerun bc he's such a good character.
Also, games are sooo missing out on the queer community. Fellow mlm people will understand. There is rarely any sort of gacha catered towards players like me that isn't an otome game. The one game I can think of that is men oriented, which actually lets you be a male MC without unromantisizing certain parts of the story is The Tale of Food.
Man,I loved King’s Raid.Too bad that the devs ruined the game with that damn October 2022 nerf update and now it’s on the brink of EOS 😢
OOf I used to play king's raid. I miss my man roy.
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't R1999 also capitalize on himejoshis or just queer women in general as a secondary niche?
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THE TALE OF FOOD MENTION 🔥🔥🔥🔥
I thinks it's because of the lack of design modern male gacha game characters (twink/pretty boy) and perhaps even the lore also personality. I've been playing FGO NA and JP, people still want male characters regardless you're a waifu enjoyer.
Honestly it's because modern gacha players are allergic and companies like hoyo doesn't know how write good male characters. In FGO, people was hyped when Super Orion, Oberon, Constantine IX, Charlemagne, etc when they were first released. This whole thing only applies to newer gacha fandom, the old ones doesn't have this issue.
Edit: Just Finished the video, glory to Destiny Child
@@novaaltreaz7307 Old fandoms were a lot more chill about the gender thing. Next banner is a girl? Cool, are they cute/hot? Oh next is a guy? Cool, are they cool/handsome? And yeah writing for modern male characters is a massive problem. Most games don't even try anymore.
Destiny Child my beloved, you will be missed ❤️
Well Hoyo does know how to write good male characters. They did it in HI3.. tho the male characters were never playable and will never be playable but still.
Wasn't biggest critique of Genshin pre Fontaine that Mihoyo can't write women? 😭😭
I mean there's nothing wrong with twink pretty boys really...
Hoyo can't write in general (I'm over exaggerating but they couldn't t keep a character consistent even if their lives depended on it)@@stooroosk
as someone who is Bisexual and heavily lean to female characters, the lack of male character pulls me out of the lore or story because it feels to unrealistic to my taste. not that its impossible for world to have more females than males but the near lack of male pale presence make the world feel artificial to me. Its even ruin some of the harem fantasy, the girls don't like me or the male avatar because they developed the bond, but because their the only character they can form a bond with. Its like the choose one trope but to an absurd degree.
Its why i have more respect for dating sims games. Majority of the time the female cast is indifferent tot he male character till time and eventual bond is made. Its still a fantasy so don't get me wrong but its at least doesn't take my suspension of disbelief and strangle hold it.
This is sort of a mood, but I'm also someone who actually just can't identify with explicit player inserts and would rather see them as distinct characters. I think I'm just interested in character interactions amongst each other more.
I agree with this. It feels so weird to approach a world where the gender ratio doesn't make sense. Like the Sons of Calydon in Zenless Zone Zero is 2 little girls, 2 older girls and 1 cool guy in the gang. Gangs (from what I know) dont' really function like that and it just seems weird to have a single guy just be there in what is essentially just a girl gang. I feel like it should be more balanced with gender or it should just be one gender to really give the impression that it is a girl biker gang, not a girl biker gang + 1 guy they found.
Also in lots of the promotional material the guy (Lighter) is just not included at all so it feels even more like he's intruding on a sisterhood. Maybe that allows the waifu-enjoyers to just pretend he's not there? idk
Thank you for making a video on this. People in the community and even popular content creators blow off the concerns and mistreatment of the female audience and outright disrespect them, because they don't care. It doesn't affect them even if they put on a façade that they do care about issues like these. A content creator I use to watch was Tectone. I don't think he's a bad person, but it's clear he doesn't give a fuck about anything as long as it doesn't affect him. Like telling Kuro games to only focus on putting out female banners, which in turn we have seen how that outcome played out. Then when people, mainly female players were upset about the 1.3 wuwa update when Shorekeeper is forced into being a love interest for the mc just like Firefly was he openly says "The only people upset about that are stupid women with big tiddies". Disrespecting us and degrading us to sexual objects in one sentence, because the issues doesn't affect him. When that is the person who is the most influential and largest creator in the gacha space no wonder our issues will never be heard or taken seriously. So any video on this topic to spread the word of this issue further is greatly greatly appreciated. This isn't back in the early 2000s were it was rare to see women playing video games. It's VERY common to see women playing video games on the regular nowadays.
While I don't agree with the Love and Deepspace communities approach and rudeness to anyone who simply doesn't like the art style of the game. It's clear that its a response to previous harassment from men who harass the women playing love and deepspace, because love and deepspace is successful.
On top of male players when discussing the issue about the male characters say they don't want male characters in the game. They also don't want men to be sexualized, but are totally okay with women being sexualized. I'm not even a prude or a feminist. I'm totally okay with sexualized female characters. However as a woman that comment makes me feel so disgusted. It makes me feel unsafe. How in the world is it okay to sexualize female characters, but not okay to sexualize male characters. It's only okay when we sexualize the female characters. These communities more and more make me feel disgusted, because of the sheer amount of men who don't see us as humans, but as sexual objects and that's it.
What mistreatment? They don't even make the male focused gacha characters look good. Maybe you people are too ignorant that some recent gachas do attract female players to pull characters? You don't need to make them purely female, just look at zenless zone zero.
Adding more men to gacha games could do wonders for the worldbuilding if they're actually written well, which is a whole other problem.
Except in Blue Archive, all the men are either robots or animals, and it's funny how it actually kinda works.
The world of Blue Archive is generally one big mystery that we're unraveling bit by bit, but it really is strange how every male character either is a robot, an animal, or some form of non-human, but all the women are at least humanoid, if not like 90% human. It really raises the question of what the population split is for Kivotos and if the population is even self-sustainable.
Blue Archive is a purposefully absurd setting. You're not supposed to ask why all the students are female, why Sensei is the only male in the Academy city, what happens when the students graduate, whether or not they actually have parents, why everyone though it was a good idea to let unstable teenage girls govern entire districts, and definitely not why the girls have halos which make them bulletproof.
All you can do is accept the absurdity of their world, and enjoy the surprisingly well-written plots despite of the absurd setting.
Not a Husbando enjoyer by any means, but disparity in characters designs can lead to games looking stagnant, at least from a visual standpoint. and like you said, if that's what the design team wants and that's their vision that is a 100% okay, but dammit when the majority of devs all seems to share the same vision with 0 variety, something has clearly gone amiss
As a dude, give me someone like Adray or Albel (manly or edgy, respectively) from Star Ocean 3 and I'll go for them, but most gacha games default to pretty K-pop looking boys. Boothill was close, but because of the silly no cursing bit makes me look at him as weak.
Firefly is super cool, and I would have pulled for them regardless of being male or female, I wish the default was the SAM suit though. I don't need it to be my girlfriend, I need to have a murder robot on my team.
I think ZZZ is doing better, or at least has the potential to, with character designs. There have been alot of ladies back-to-back, but Ben is fantastic, Lighter is cool (even though he's a pretty boy) and I really wish they would make Pompey a character, since he's a badass that dudes would like to play as and a daddy that alot of girls would like to buy.
Lore wise he is actually swearing, but he has a filter in his translation system.
@@Tonbizzle Oh man, I completely forgot to talk about the K-popification of gacha men! I don't mind summoning for pretty boys every now and then, but I miss when I could actually summon cool dudes. Give me a badass no nonsense knight or something. Lighter is a step in the right direction, I'm hoping we get big daddy at some point cause that's exactly what I want.
@@bladimirvideosyeah that's kinda the reason I'm not too bothered by the lack of men in gacha because most of them tend to be kinda lame to me anyway. The K-pop look doesn't appeal to me and I prefer cool looking dude characters over say someone like adventurine.
Boothill Stan here, I LOVE Boothill's Censoring. Especially in the Portuguese translation.
Its so perfect to see how They replace the Swearing in portuguese. That Silly Cowboy that appeared for like 10 minutes caught my eye more than any other character ever would, Also, he cute
I'm honestly sick of all the pretty boys lol.
Another thing to note is that while women DO get more attention in theses games its not exactly good attention. For example, I realize that while looking at the character archives in Star Rail, none of the women are wearing pants. At most skin tight thigh highs/leggings. Also, the women are all feminine, like incredibly feminine. Where as in genshin for example, there's some feminine men, like kaye, linny, and kavah. Also a lot of women don't get stories that are as interesting as male stories. For every Furina there's like 3 Barbras who just aren't fun or cool characters. This is because they don't actually care about female representation. They want money and its easier to do that with women because we're already seen and treated as products by most media. Great video btw
Oh no! Wokie is upset that women look like women!
How dare they! This they/them wants Concord levels of design, just look at how successful that game was...oh, right...
@Rpground Someone with an mlp profile pic is calling me woke??? Mlp??? All the girls' main cast, literally about the power of friendship, has multiple episodes about celebrating people's differences, show???
@@axolotl-cg7it Accepting everyone for who they are is how we got drag queen story hour and this war in femininity/masculinity.
So don't throw that in my face when you can't even live up to those standards yourself.
OMG bro, you know that you are the problem right?
if someone with your line of thinking gets into a position were they can do change, the game will fail... is a garanty that the game will lose money, these moral cruzades don't belong in gatcha games.
WHO cares about female representation, the goal of the bussiness is to make money and content for the people who pay for it, how you can't undestand this? why can't people like you undestand that you are not the majority, that is why games that try this shit FAIL.
>women wear women's clothes in east Asian media and that's a problem
BRUH
I agree with the video but I would suggest Star Rail slowly gets better with the male designs. Boothill got some crazy metal body, and Dr. Ratio has a cool outfit inspired with ancient greece. I think its just going to be better. Gallagher is also original in my opinion because he has that restaurant/bar worker uniform thing going on. Most men still are kinda boring, but i want to give credit where its deserved. Especially with Dr. Ratio because hes very simple, but stands out regardless.
Idk what you're talking about 99% of star rail men wear jacket and pants. What design?
@@bulat9331 What do 99% of men wear IRL. Do you want them to wear short-shorts, yukata and Chiitan costumes? Ain't gonna happen, especially because people hate on any male design that deviates from gender norms and traditions (like Lyney from Genshin Impact)
So far Arknights is showing some promise with the male to female ratio with a good amount of 6 star male characters, but not enough to close the gap. At least we're getting Logo and Ulpi who are both 6 star characters soom so they understand there is a market for male characters!
Ulpipi is based, all the abyssal hunters are really.
Wuwa males are very well designed, imo. Xiangli Yao is the best dps character in the game right now. I think Wuwa treats their men well, giving screen time, cool design, strong kits... they just don't do it often, sadly. It's hard to attract the male enthusiasts when hey aren't given the chance. I'm hoping Love and Deepspace will change that.
Genshin actually has crazy good male characters. I'm usually a waifu puller, with no male characters in Wuthering, Zenless and HSR. But in genshin, I actively pulled for GaMing and Neuvillette, and intend to get Venti, Itto and Zhongli too.
they are all female looking mofos... that is why, androgenous as fuck.
Absolutely. Men in Genshin are more diverse than pretty much anywhere else. There are just not many of them.
I pulled neuvilette as an accessory for my furina
Only crazy good there in Neuv and maybe zhongli...
Can't relate how you'd pull for Genshin men but not for HSR men, where the male characters are far from 'perfect personality and agreeable morals' yet still respectable and sell well, with great gamekit too. Aventurine? Boothill? Imbibitor Lunae? Luocha? Even Jiaoqiu who has no problems poisoning his food for a goal despite him being a chef? How about Dr Ratio who's a professor but the way he insults people is rarely ideal for a teacher? Other than Childe who killed people for his version of greater good, as a girl I noticed Genshin tends to make the males really agreeable and morally upright, which is fairly reasonable, understandable even, but a bit unrealistic really. Not much variety unlike HSR men.
Honestly why I love HSR, it has really good characters as in stories and personalities rather then just gender and designs but I cant deny designs are good too. Dr. Ratio IL Dan Heng Blade Jing Yuan all were hotties and they pushed on that then Adventurine showed up with Dr. Ratio and people lost their minds. And can we plese talk about Acheron and Black Swan! That was beautiful story telling. Its like the characters are _more_ then looks and gender.
And Ive played Deep Space for a while, the romance story was ok but the gameplay isnt all that engaging. Makes sense as the focus isnt about gameplay at all but Romancing Otome. I wish we it had both but we are slowly getting there.
SHOW ME MENNNNN!!! (Female here)
Honestly, this is coming from a guy who likes female characters a lot, and plays games reflective of that (Nikke, Wuthwring Waves, etc), but the reason why i personally ended up disliking seeing males in gacha is.
Well, I'm exhausted by the pretty boy standards, that i usually see from countries like Japan, Korea, ane China. Which makes sense knowing the country of origin of these gachas. But I'd wish for more superhero-like builds, or builds that are reflective more on the strength a lot of the men should have.
Jiyan comes to mind, as despite being a pretty boy, he's built like an athelete with defined muscles. Calchoro in the same game. And i love Yuanwu for the fact he has a beard, which is immensely rare in these genres of gacha.
Welt and Siegfried from Honkai Impact 3rd come to mind.
Poseidon, Soriz, Vaseraga, etc. from Granblue.
It's sort of why it was hard for me to get behind the designs in say Genshin, because none of the men there are beyond the pretty boy look. Even Itto was nerfed.
Star Rail has this problem too, so it feels disappointing when you know the male coming out looks like they belong in the same boy band as other pretty boys.
Tldr: Gachas need men with MUSCLES and bearde. Also women with abs, thank you.
Read the tl;dr and holy shit I concur.
Big Daddy will be playable (cope)
Agree. Need more like people Gallagher. You can see FGO, I love more males from there than from HSR and genshin
And we forget that what what we like due to our old media interactions isn't same for others. JP,KR,CN hold their standards rigidly. Most games just follow what's more preferred. Not to mention it's very often I see West playerbase complaining about a thing and east being chill on it and vice versa
the female characters have the same problem tho? Dahya, Beidou and Feixiao are all supposed to be masc women but they've the same slender model, not to mention the lack of actual pants for most women
What happens to me was I was ready to spend money to get xiangli yao then turns out he's free. I'm happy and wants to wait for the next male characther to spend on because i want to show that male characther do sell. But 2 patch later and still no men while kuro really tried to sell the waifus as romantically as possible to the player and tbh it turns me off.
I do wonder why won't mix gender games also makes the male characther head over heels for the player? It saves them from making people thinks the NTR stuff. Or is it just because male players thinks its gay??
It is rumor there will be an new male in 2.1
I'm just gonna stop pulling for waifus after camellya. With her I'll have enough complete teams for meta gaming and won't feel the pressure for a long while. Time to tell them loud and clear 80/20 split is not okay.
Most recent HSR banner: Feixiao, Robin, Kafka, Black Swan, Lingsha and Topaz. Notice something? They're all women. Additionally, it was Topaz's fourth banner. While male characters like Blade and Jing Yuan haven't had a banner in a year.
As an F2P husbando collector, I'm a husbando collector because of the smaller number of male characters. I didn’t start that way, I just liked the male characters and eventually decided because of the progressing meta I'd summon for male characters and not bother with female characters, because there's so many of them and they'll eventually lose meta. Although I have a few limited female characters (I have Robin) because good supports will stay good supports for a while because of the amount of supports released.
Blade was in December 2023 and I haven't seen crowds waiting for him same woth Jing Yuan in February 2024 (I have both haven't played any in a giant while)
also it is Topaz's third banner do your research
@@rage8631 I'm sorry, I feel like I annoyed you? My point still stands that Blade and Jing Yuan haven't had a rerun in just short of a year, but Topaz had her rerun recently, with Robin's debut. I sort of went off my memory in that aspect.
And seriously, if you go anywhere near any sort of media, you would be very aware of the sheer number of f2p fangirls waiting for those male characters because of the obvious lack of them. I'm sorry if I somehow offended you with my imperfect memory?
Topaz haz two reruns and Ratio hasn't since his debut
Well let's take a look at Neuvillette in Genshin. Good story, great design and good voice acting in all languages.
It's possible and Capitano will probably make the highest banner sale if he ever comes. I hope WuWa gives the male character another chance. If they were to create a stoty like Shore Keeper with a male character and make it a viable unit, sales would certainly be very good then.
honestly surprised you didnt mention more of the the solo gender gachas. any with just men or just women and how they compare to each other. theres so many horrible moments too, like when love live (all girls) was going to have a collab and every man FREAKED the fuck out at the IDEA that they were going to talk to a guy
Ur point abt male chrs being mid/bad in gameplay wise fits for Sunday...especially after seeing his kits leaks lmfao
(seriously...another Harmony...sure, Sunday was most likely to be Harmony considering his story but COME ON MAN...)
@@cynolover Just looked into him, and yeah he definitely sounds mid for the current meta. Advanceing actions is nice but buffing damage is better, and storing energy doesn't really seem that useful for current characters. But it seems like he's gonna be good for summon characters like Jing Yuan. So he'll probably have a small niche in the future.
@@bladimirvideos I mean pattern recognition dictates he'll be broken, at least until the waifu version of him that advances all summons comes out in like patch 3.2 or something.
@@mr.protagonist5639 Gallagher who has been alive and kicking for 6 patches now ... "yeah about that ..." (wasnt benched)
There haven't even been showcases for Sunday, yet you're already doomposting him.
@@justadude189"Gallagher" "alive"
I don't think those two words can be in a sentence chief /jk
I love Star Rail, but I'd like some more male characters with story and decent designs. I kinda quit Zenless because the water balloon jiggle physics was distracting. By "distracting" I don't mean it in an aroused way. Like, you wanna tell a story but here comes skintight water balloons! Sexy character design is fine, great even, but there is a point to which it just becomes discount softcore.
Sadly that's Exactly the Audience they want.
Same in Wuwa.
Their tights and chest jiggles like a entire body is just like waterbaloons. I quit playing, because only characters I could play were male Rover, 5 star standart military male (forgot his name), Verina and 4 star mad scientist. And the game kept freezing 10-20 seconds. And Shorekeeper has a worst design, she literally walks around in her lingerie lazy to change apropriate clothes. Girl, you are in apolicyse era, not in a strip club.
@@anetepaulakrinicka7830 We left the Apocalypse long ago when they rewrote the story. We just so happen to be in an Apocalypse.
Also. To make things worst Storekeeper isn't even Human. Just a Guardian that Rover Made in his past life. Which is also in love with him.
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Recipe to ruin a great female design is to overdo it. In Wuwa there are some fantastic designs like Jinhsi and Camellya, but do I need to see Yinlin's bouncing fruit baskets in my face every time I do her ultimate? Nah.
ZZZ kind of offended me when I saw Yanagi for the first time. Like, come on! She would have looked just fine had you toned it down a bit (like Nicole pre-release) but we gotta make money somehow, I guess.
Arknights consistently has guys in the top 10 of their popularity polls. so I feel like they're doing something right, though I think part of it is that like Aventurine a lot of them are surrounded by good writing and also built up in advance of them actually debuting as playable characters.
Role diversity isn't really an issue either as most of the archetypes have male and female representation in that respect and a lot of the strongest picks in those groups are guys like Mlynar and Chongyue (Who are both crowd-clearing damage dealers).
Honkai impact 3rd player here since hov arrival
Try just TRY to say adding male characters could be a very good thing and that the only waifu game was an early hoyo thing and that they HAVE to evolve and
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Very old player, I would vote for. But Chinese players would be upset somehow(even if only one girl is canonically interested in Captain. Lol)
Agreed even though we are supposed to be the captain @@GolgothianSylex
CN is upset because any man threat them, they think they Will take away the waifus (they dont take same sex relationship as serious as hetero) Global would get mad because threats the Yuri relationships
may I introduce you to a game without this problem (I think) Cookie run: Kingdom. AND all the characters are unique + well designed to boot!
I'm someone who enjoys both waifus and husbandos, but admittedly I prefer male designs and characters (i'm a seriously deranged otome enjoyer and have played a myriad of dating sims LaDS included). I'm f2p, so perhaps my voice isn't going to be as large as those who can use money to turn the tide, but I completely agree. Plenty of men hating male players had yelled at Kurogames to stop making male characters (in regards to both WuWa and PGR). Which I think Kurogames does pretty well with Male character design and story. I don't get why we can't have both male and female characters be equally treated. It's not like women dislike waifus. In fact, women LOVE waifus. Most women ARE the ones drawing those waifus that male players swear by. So I don't understand why women can't ALSO have husbandos when gachas like PGR/WuWa, HSR, GI, etc. literally PROMOTE the fact they provide both. I'm ngl, sure Hoyo did make Tears of Themis, but ToT is nowhere as successful as LaDS, and even in an otome gacha game meant to target the audience they're neglecting, the main guys aren't even mind blowingly hot or well written at some points. I wish gachas were like before. Other than Brave Frontier, there were other gachas i enjoyed, like Unison League, Puzzles and Dragons, Kings Raid, and more, that had a good amount of high quality male designs and stories. The only few games that I know with comparable male-female ratios that persist today would be Epic 7 and Arknights, both games I have a bit of a love/hate relationship with, not because of the characters provided, but because they're way too grindy. PGR, HSR, WuWa, etc are in a position where they can capitalize on the husbando market, specifically BECAUSE it isn't as grind heavy and very casual-friendly. Again, to end this off, I'm the kind of sick degenerate who's into both waifus and husbandos and prefer gachas only to pull for them over whether their meta or not, but I'd definitely like to see my husbandos get the same treatment as my waifus in terms of technical kits, story, and design. (side note: I'm such the opposite of you, Bladimir. I'm a sucker for suits. But you are right in saying there's too many.)
The day an actual gacha masc character gets a slvtty outfit but with a buff bear body model is the day I can happily break my f2p record. Let the men be sltty too gacha developers!
Oberon is literally one of the best male and meta characters in FGO. Although, I prefer Muramasa since "Shirou-face"
Funny, there's no male in genshin and Honkai that draw me in as much as males in FGO. I only waifu collector in Hoyo games, while FGO, hmmm Munenori Yagyuu go swing
I've seen people mention gachas with a good number of men in the comments, and I'd like to share a unique gacha game with an all-male, non-card based cast: the tale of food.
it's basically food fantasy if it was based on just chinese food and all characters were males. The boys are food personifications who sacrificed their memories to protect Kongsang (main setting), and the story mainly revolves around reforging bonds with them (I don't know much of the story though, due to being too busy to play I don't have all event stories and I'm currently blocked from continuing the main story). You can farm for ingredients, cook dishes with them and offer them to people at a restaurant. You can also give the boys gifts.
I'll be honest, the game isn't that perfect; the EN translations and voice acting can be really bad at times, which I guess is to be expected from something not that popular in the EN gacha scene. The game is very grindy, with tons of menus that you want to interact with if you want to get your dailies done, and the gacha rates aren't that great. I could talk more on the game's pros and cons, but I think it's better if you experience it for yourself. I can't guarantee you'll enjoy it, but in case you want a gacha made solely of men with an expanding cast instead of being card based like Obey Me and LnD, I hope I can help you find that lmao ^-^'
THE TALE OF FOOD MENTION 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 Also the mc can be male which are great for bisexual/gay men, and the mc can be female also to give the girls what they want
Look at Love and Deepspace and tell me men don't sell lmao
Gacha games tend to have phenomenal designs for women. That streetwear ninja girl is a perfect example. It's lewd and cool all at once. I think male characters also deserve more love, but I never know what people want out of a man. I'm not attracted to men, and I don't think they're as cool. For someone who DOES find men hot, what kinds of men do they want? Will women/gay guys simp and whale for male characters in the same way?
For me personally, someone who prefers male characters, I really want more buff male characters with facial hair.
Male characters like Aventurine or Dr. Ratio I can see having their respected fan base and have no issue with.
But when you're in a gatcha game with a crazy ratio desparity between male and female characters who all generally have that pretty Asian beauty standards... I just want a buff cool male. Hence, my love in Star Rail is Gallagher despite being a 4* unit with honestly not that much screen time.
For fgo/ fate example Napoleon, Caligula and Lucius Longinus are my favourites that comes to mind.
In general, women tend not to prefer super buff guys. It's actually mostly men who like to see the ultra masculine characters. I'm a woman and I personally do not find it appealing at all. With HSR I'd say Gallagher is the upper limit. Some women are exceptions, but that's on average. Aventurine or Sunday are perfect in my opinion.
That's part of the reason why so many gacha characters are pretty boys, because those designs do really well with women. Especially in Asian markets. Kpop boy groups are massively popular for a reason.
We also absolutely simp and whale for the men.
I just like a masculine presenting guy with a massive case of gap moe where he's allowed to be soft and oddly cute despite his appearance, yea know, that gentle giant stuff?
Much needed video, and thank you for point out the truth about these freaks who like sexualized ch*ld characters
14:55 "Slash underage- WOAH DID I SAY THAT?" 💀💀
I haven't finished the video yet, but I just want to point out that Genshin is a really good example. Out of the Seven archons, only two are male (Neuvillette is a sovereign, not an archon, he doesn't count), and in the recent Natlan update, only two of the ten characters are male. And they're the most basic, generic, black - clothed ones, with Kinich just wearing a basic shirt and trousers, and Ororon being a Gacha life emo boy.
God their designs are awful. Literally copy paste and call it a day.
LITERALLY.
Kinich at least has like the thematic of 'pixels' I guess.. But Ororon it's just...⚰
I've noticed a decline for male characters designs since Sumeru ended tbh
@@pinkhazzard Ororon looks like he came straight out of a 2010 Hot Topic. I've not touched Genshin Impact in a while (gacha fatigue and laziness combined) but I get the impression they just dropped the ball with the Natlan character designs (a fair deal of them look anachronistic and more in line with ZZZ's characters).
EDIT: I have problems with Xilonen for the same anachronism-related reasons but I generally don't see her getting as much flak since she's pretty. Maybe it's just cause most of the circles I'm in tend to be himejoshi-dominated so there's obvious bias towards female characters (though Chasca tends to get lambasted regardless because her design just feels like a culmination of everything wrong with HYV designs).
While I like Kinich he is kind of just a redone Xiao for the dedicated Xiao-lover fanbase. Ororon is indefensible, like what in the deviantart OC is this? We having 3-stars in Genshin now?
Just look at Limbus Company, the rate of character is 50:50
There is 6 male and 6 female playable cahracter, each with their own personality and realy good interaction
Surprisingly there are some male liker gacha games which cater to different types of desings like NU Carnival which its mostly those "pretty boy" types of male designs in anime, Tokyo AfterSchool Summoners, Live a Hero, GYEE which mostly have furry or human male characters with more "manly" or bulky types of desings with all the fanservice you'd could imagine (id say TAS and LAH are more furry bara oriented and GYEE it's mostly big burly muscular men oriented) there are 2 more but those are NSFW
That's because these players can't grow up if they can have the idea of their waifu dating a guy it got so bad that blue archive thought they were getting cheated on by another game just shows you how unhinged or how bad the player base be let's not forget about the bunny incident this shows you how crazy and delusional these players are but it's not all the community only the toxic ones Because their procession of reality is these waifus are real no matter what you say to these people you can't convince them it's like literally talking to a brick wall
yea, idek what the bunny incident is but theres a cat incident in the genshin fanbase its evil what these manchildren will do
The point is, is it worth it to convince them to get out of this? Let's be honest, when it comes to dating scene, dating a fictional character it still better
@@Akito_Yamada870 are you by chance scared of women
@@z4in23 no bro wtf???
@@Akito_Yamada870 I agree dating real woman is more a pain than dating with fictional ones
I hope Sunday becomes the exception for this rule ...
In my opinion, people like badass men and cute sexy girl. When the male design looks soft, people turn their head away. The logic is simple. When player play badass male character, they pretend to be that character. When player play a cute female character, that's their waifu and they get to stare into her ass 24/7.
You are talking about yourself.I think majority of men like woman with solid personality like arlecchino from genshin and kafka from hsr.Their popularity proves my point.
I just want cool characters mans
I m.
Plenty players (esp femme players) love soft men. Look at the reaction to Kazuhau from men vs women.
So you're telling me girls wanna be badass male characters? LMAO. No, we wanna date sexy husbandos, that's all.
I think Reverse 1999 did a good job with a character called 6. He's considered a must pull for the game and his abilities made him quite valuable. He might be power crept by another character in the future from what I heard but he is one of the most versatile. His story in game is interesting as well. The ratio is heavy towards women too but the male characters do have niches that I use. Arknights like you said also has a good roster but yeah there are a lot of suits...
I wonder how many people would have pulled for Xiangli Yao in Wuthering Waves if they hadn't given him for free. Not many, and he is a proven top tier DPS.
Bro clearly hasn't seen Limbus Company
I'm glad someone else is also aware of this fact. I would like to have more male characters as good as females but you know how the market goes, sell hot waifus for weeb cmmers, specially in asia cause they spend crazy amounts on gachas. Epic 7 has pretty solid male designs tho and don't even get me started on Alchemist Code designs (damn I miss that game) none of which are mainstream today
Thing is, when people talk about gachas they only think about the hoyoverse triplets or anything amongst that style as a game
The writing of a character helps in them being a money maker or not. Firefly got that and Acheron too. Something the Honkai team needs to do for the guys. Make us care or want them. It shouldn't be hard. Sucks Boothill didn't get good writing, but his game play and quirks made me want him. Mostly he preventing himself from cursing. That's comedy gold.
exactly. Not a male character, but I went into Natlan expecting to hate Citlali (The pink haired cryo girl), but they wrote her so well (and didn't just write her to be MC love interest) that I'm actually convinced to pull for her. They were able to make me go from hating a character to loving a character with good writing and it doesn't even need to be waifu bait. So WHY can they not do that for male characters.
I agree with the video whole heartedly. My personal account collection in Star Rail is largely curated around the males because I actually don’t prefer to goon, so sometimes I wait an untold number of patches for a good pull target.
Not that I don’t aim for women sometimes too, but I have really high standards and look for characters that will actually appeal to me long-term instead of just being a novelty of the month. So far the only character in that regard has been Robin.
Tbh, Arknights does treat their men well, but they still dont quite sell. Despite being a Sui, wich is a family of dragons that Arknights releases a new memeber every year, Chonyue is one of the lowest limiteds. And he was given some love. And developers do give males some of the strongest characters, currently the most powerful dps is a male, and soon the best Caster will also be, but idk, they still arent selling.
I actually think Wuthering Waves does very well in this aspect. Yes, about 75% of the cast are women, and that won't be changing any time soon. But the men they have are very well developed and have good designs, plenty of screentime, and lots of marketing behind them. Jiyan gets a ton of time in the main story and his own quest. Aalto isn't there for long but he and Encore are an unforgettable comedic duo. Xiangli Yao was the main focus of the patch he debuted in, even overshadowing Zhezhi. Even Yuanwu, who only barely exists, is one of the best teammates for Jinhsi, one of the most popular characters in the game. Wuwa so far is doing much better than other games when it comes to how they treat their men and I'm excited for future husbando characters.
Love and deepspace is really nice tho, we girls are finally getting what we want
Support male characters financially? Say no more.
I'm E6S5-ing Sunday in HSR. You bet I love that man.
i see where your coming from but china has tooooooooooooooooooooo much of a hold on the market and looking at how good the original wuwa story and how the cn community didnt like it we're stuck till some company want to be the change.
also if you speak english aint a damn thing we can do we dont pay their bills really
love your insight one this, I personally love pulling for both male and female characters but since most of the gotcha I have been playing recently are waifu focused I have been severely missing male characters in gotchas like brave frontiers where the male characters get amazing designs and not afraid to show some skin like the female characters.
Tears of Themis anyone...? Another Hoyo game but with a male-only roster that's in the back-alley somewhere....
Well, yes, but this is discussing games with both; not one.
Idk if you forget about Ensemble Stars is that EVIL NUM+ did kinda well because of the character and the design for the unit. I was expecting the MV did very well and it has almost 2 million views and the performance from them, heck even the choice of members. Ngl I'm dissapointed when they didn't release many male characters
I can explain in a few sentences what you wonder about in the entire video.
Men find women hot if they are straight, and many gamers are. Women find women pretty, cute or attractive (or want their clothes). Men (straight) do not care much about men around, especially not if they can have a hot girl instead. And women may like hot guys, but they like hot girls just as much (usually). Gamers are still predominantly males who are straight... and thus the lack of popularity for male gatcha options is explained, as companies want your money, so they go with the easy option - the hot animu chick.
I think it's a bit more complicated than that. I mean, I don't think any of that is untrue, but keep in mind that outside of the gacha / anime game sphere male playable characters are MORE common, especially male protagonists. (Even on JRPGs or fighting games with several playble characters, it tends to be close to a 50/50 split)
And if women like pretty women, men often like cool men. Look at the popularity of characters like Dante, or Kratos, or Solid Snake... Heck, look up any list with "The most popular" or "the most iconic" videogame characters in history, and the men far outnumber the women. (For example... Earlier this year, Bafta made a public pool to find out the most iconic video game characters. Out of the 20 characters in that list, only 3 are female. Thought it's worth mentioned that Lara Croft got first place.)
Men who prefer to play as / be surrounded by female characters have always existed, but I think this phenomenon were male characters are so overwhadowed by female ones is more specific to anime games and, specially, to the gacha sphere. (And it's probably deeply connected to the "waifu culture" in those spheres.)
That's some crazy bullshit my man
@@kogorun No it is fact, truth hurts I know but its better to accept it.
@@joaomarcoscosta4647 Don't believe ANYTHING from the mainstream or associated to it for gaming, believe the numbers instead.
Don't care much about men yet 90% of games made for men have almost exclusively male characters as main characters.
Solution: there should be more husbando oriented gacha games like touken ranbu and tale of food
i didn't roll for SAM, she's a fire character and they are a ton of them, i didn't need her lol
Welp, guess I'm gonna pull for lighter now.
I was hyped for Firefly solely because SAM looks like Valimar from sen no kiseki.
There are a few things that I wanted to bring up in regards to this topic (longer comment incoming)
1) Jing Yuan was Ridiculously well received in star rail. Winning a large popularity poll and having some of the highest earnings in the history of the game. (But as stated in the video, that's really hard to gauge)
2) People will always play what's good regardless of esthetics. If the best character is 'married' or 'the wrong gender', a lot of people will run the character anyway. Even if they don't like them. Hell, I actively dislike Sparkle and Ruan Mei as characters, but I still run them both all the time.
And 3) I think selling the Chinese market on bois is a bit of an uphill battle. There are significantly more men than women over there, and only focusing on one's own market is a problem across the entertainment industry.
Really good video! And I am glad that it is another guy who talks about this problem. If you were a woman you might as well have skipped posting this video, because the hate you would get...
On the topic of Arknights: I feel it treats its male characters well both in terms of gameplay and story. There are many deep and interesting male characters with important roles, and gameplay-wise the proportion of "meta" characters is roughly the same between males and females.
I think where Arknights fails is the marketing and the female:male ratio. Arknights has a roughly 75:25 (playable*) female to male ratio iirc. This ratio translates to the "stars" of the banners: most banners in Arknights put out 3 or 4 characters and almost always the most marketed one is female. This is most notable on limited banners (the ones most people look foward to) where there's just one male limited character out of, like, 15 or so total limited characters.
I think the banner coming up next month is a good example. We're getting two of the most powerful characters the game has seen: one male, one female. The female trivializes most content; the male, while not so strong, is clearly the strongest character of his class. Story wise, I think (and there's a lot of people who agree with me here) the male is a lot more interesting and likeable than the female. But the marketing is all centered around the female, with her being the limited character and all.
*I say "playable" because, if you include story-relevant NPCs, the ratio is probably a lot closer to 50:50. There are a lot of males characters in NPC jail, and a lot of male villains too.
Sunday will sell well but still nah for hoyo
Gachas on the other hand seems the reason why a lot of men are failing
Ngl, i gravitate towards female characters in Gacha, but for the most part, i have the "rule of cool" mentality. And it's because of what you pointed out: design and focus. Most male designs fall into the "pretty/bishounen/young generic character", but if they look cool/have an interesting background, i'm all in for using/pulling them. But the devs surely have favorites "marketable waifus" if you will. Examples of this are Blade and Boothill (proud e1s1 yeehaw main), from HSR, and it still pisses me off how Hoyo kept treating him in terms of story/focus. 2.2 Boothill sucks, he got squished between Acheron/Robin and Firefly banners (so most f2p had to save and skip), his only event was a dispatch/comission event, and it's getting a second rerun in 2.6.
The other reason is complementary: if i'm gonna spend an unreasonable amount of time on gachas/mmos/live services, if it's a third person camera, i'll probably pick up the female characters (instead of looking at super unrealistic mega buffed dudes or prettier than the sun guys).
BRO I GOT HORNY TO APPLE IN REVERSE 99! WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT!?😂
All the meta male units in Arknights are damage dealers. SilverAsh, Mlynar, Thorns, Mountain, Logos, Ulpianus, Gnosis -- they're all DPSes. Only one meta guy -- Lumen -- is a healer.
This just reminded me of Azur Promilia, people saw a male npc and disaster ensued online about male playable character, the devs even had to make a statement confirming no male character will be playable
Bruh. Love and Deep Space exist. A successfull gacha of only husbandos.
I think they are referring to a game that includes both.
I really wanted male charcters in hi3 its sad that because of the comunity i'll never see playable men there
Genshin impact demographycaly speaking, is both played equally by men and women, mobile gacha games in japan is more played by men, but generally speaking, gacha games have women players on the rise.
I wish, as a woman, that the "wifu" stupidity stop.
If you posted it a day later, you could have seen the release of Sunday dripmarketing
crying emoji with the anger emoji on top? yeah they're always jokes.
Not having many male characters means saving lots of jades between pulls.
OMMGGGGGGGG BRAVE FRONTIER MENTION
I WAS NOOOOT EXPECTING THAT WHAT
I actually find hsr men quite good. Imo they are treated well in the story and by the gameplay no matter how they are expected to be selled
Take the boothill for instance, he has extremely good combat design, which goes perfectly with his lore. He is one of the strongest characters in the game, one of the best for speedruns and 0 cycles, has enourmous amount of damage and very flexible team comps. Compare this to the firefly, who is very strong, but a relatively expensive to play, cuz she wants several 5* supports that are getting released (lingsha, upcoming tingyoung), and her e2 is a heavy bait.
Boothill has a very strong future story potential, good lore, but couldn't be included more to the penacony's arc due to it's oversaturation with characters.
Story wise, i still think male character still get a focus. Dang Heng IL, Aventurine, Blade, Jing Yuan and others, even Jiaoqiu got a big focus in the recent story quest.
The thing is, it's not actually that important for a waifu character to be good story wise. Female characters struggle from being presented as a "waifu" or "mommy material" in the story (yes, firefly)
But i get the sense that they kinda dropped the idea of selling the male characters. Some are getting released before heavily expected characters (boothill, jiaoqiu) so they just can't sell well. Some are even given for free (dr ratio and there is a rumor that another male 5* could be free). The exception is aventurine, who is very desirable in most of the team composition and has a lot of functions aside from being a sustain, they really tried to sell him. But that's like 1 male characters per 1/2 year.
I think another issue is live sevice games sometimes change their plans. Like if a healer girl doesnt sell. Might not see one again for a year. And if a male doesnt sell...*poof