How does the 35 Whelen Compare to the .375 H&H and 30-06?
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My USAF career took me all over Alaska and the Aleutians . My initial purchase was a 44 mag SW 29 and a old side by side Knickerbocker 12 gauge that I got second hand for general use while fishing . It was the firearms I observed the old hands carrying . I watch, listen and learn. First encounter i had with a bad bear was at a neighbors house and it was hell bent on getting in the house . As soon as it busted down the door he hit it with a 250gr Whelen and it dropped . I was at the gun shop the next day after and got an old Sporterized 98 Mauser in 35 Whelen ...... afterwards a bunch of my hunting & fishing buddies praised the caliber yet they were hard to find. I observed one on the rack and dozens of used 375 H&H's on the rack . I still have that 35 Whelen today, taken moose, elk , mule deer, black bear. I have many hunting calibers but that initial incident with the pissed off grizzly bear and the 35 Whelen set the standard caliber in the Rockies, Canada and Alaska for the rest of my life thus far for ME ...... Love that caliber. Listened and learned and experienced from others. Great video Ron Spomer .....
The “soft shove” recoil theory is just a coping mechanism that us magnum shooters say to convince ourselves that our rifles aren’t about to destroy us 😂
I believe when evaluated as a bell curve on a timing chart, the .375 H&H hits a higher recoil velocity than a .30-06 or a .338 WM, but it does it over a longer period of time, and therefore gives one the feeling of a shove, rather than a kick. I've shot many .338 WM rounds and many .375 H&H rounds from identical rifles and can assure you I would choose the felt recoil of the .375 H&H every time.
Thats funny!
I shoot a lot of harder recoiling guns. I prefer to shoot .45-70 (even hot loads) more than I do 3” or 3.5” magnum turkey loads from my 12ga. The .45-70 feels like it gently pushed through me whereas the magnum turkey loads feel like I’m getting slugged by Mike Tyson.
@@vinpribek3903 So you're saying the 375 takes longer to reach its top recoil velocity, thus its actual recoil energy is spread out more gradually over time? Hmmm. When I see calculated recoil velocity numbers I assume they reflect the velocity when the bullet leaves the muzzle since this is when it (bullet) is at its top velocity. Would not the rifle, then, be recoiling at its top velocity?
That's the same "stuff" they say about the 9.3x62 but I'd rather shoot it than my 300 WM! Cast bullets are your friend for general practice - I use a 250gr in my 9.3x62
Remington 760 and 7600 pumps in 35 Whelen are fantastic guns. I have the older 760 and it’s been great for elk and moose and even whitetail in northern Saskatchewan. Got mine of a family friend that harvested many game animals before it came to me. Sometimes ammo is hard to find. It’s not so pretty anymore but has filled freezers for many seasons.
If it fills the freezer, it's beautiful. Looks aren't everything.
These are awesome rifles that are sadly way too hard to find. I hope Remington gets sorted out after this buyout and rises like a Phoenix with a 7600 carbine stainless synthetic in 35 Whelen. The kinda rifle you could walk to hell and back with.
@@ssfd739 I think a reproduction Garand in stainless with a synthetic stock, chambered in .35 Whelan would be another candidate, but it undoubtedly would be a little pricey.
@@ssfd739 the 35 whelen 7600 carbine was al over the market for $619 for the last couple years. Started out as a limited run and then just kept pumping them out. Mine would not feed and accuracy was poor. It went back to Remington for both issues. It still jams non stop and has poor accuracy. Your not missing anything by not picking one up. They are not the whelen pumps produced around 88’.
@@tripplebeards3427 I have a 1952 Remington 760 in 35 whelen (30-06 rebore to 358) and its my most accurate rifle I own. Your issue is Remington - not the 35 Whelen. They over extended before they went bankrupt and it showed in the quality control. I had a 2013 Marlin - 'Remlin' in 35 Remington and it kept breaking barrel band screws so it went back to Remington. They sent it back with a new barrel and then it was NEVER right. After the 5th time back for warranty issues, they sent me back a new rifle (2015) and it seems to have been gone through before I got it as its flawless and feeds nearly every bullet I've tried - 105gr-265gr...very accurate too. Remington screwed up alot in that period... hopefully Marlin - now under Ruger will be back to its glory. Hoping the same for Remington
I have all three, the 35 Whelen is a damn fine cartridge. 225 gr Partition is my favorite loaded in it.
I haven’t used the partition yet they are always sold out. I use the accubonds on deer and it hits like a hammer.
In some southern states, the .35 Whelen is the round of choice during what is called "primitive weapon" season for deer. In Mississippi and Louisiana, a primitive weapon is defined as any single shot breech loader .35 caliber or greater. While many use a .45/70 during this season, others (myself included) prefer the flatter shooting .35 Whelen. We are hunting whitetail deer, so the 200 gr is plenty of power in a bullet. I use a CVA rifle and love to hunt with it.
Just a quick question. Is your CVA a break down version. And if so is the barell interchangeable.
@@davidheath2427 I think the answer is yes and yes. The fore grip removes with the pulling of a lever, allowing the barrel to easily rotate off. Conceivably, any other CVA centerfire barrel could be put in its place.
@@paulcrow4827 thank you for your reply
Got the same setup for the same reason.
" Primitive " 🤣🤣🤣 yeah, right. But I'm not complaining.😁
@@sadwingsraging3044 100% I don't make the rules, just follow them. Who am I to argue with the government?
.35 Whelen is probably one of the best Black Bear rounds availible and for me I would use it out West on Grizly and Brown Bear....
Not going to lie. It is certainly intriguing to me. I am mostly a one hunting rifle guy, buy if I go up to Alberta, BC or Alaska, I will want more than my .270 I think. I always thought I'd go for a .375 H&H or a .338 Lapua. .35 Whelen might deserve more of a look from me.
@@F14Goose37 Your .270 Win is plenty for pretty much anything in Alberta, within reasonable ranges. I live in Alberta, and I've killed countless WT deer, moose and elk with it. If you're proficient with your .270 Win, you would be very happy with it here, unless you're shooting at extended ranges.
I do hunt elk on the open prairie in Southern Alberta, where most shots are 500 yards, or a little longer. There, I use a 300 RUM, but for everything else, it's the .270 Win for me!
@@ABmacs I shoot a 140gr Berger VLD load in my .270, and I am pretty confident that I could take any North American game with it at reasonable ranges. The longest I have shot an animal was 539 on a coues deer, and that is honestly about as far as I care to shoot at an animal anymore (steel is a different story, but I still spend exponentially more time behind a bow than I do behind my rifle). Much longer than that, and bullet flight time is a serious consideration, and downrange energy starts coming in to play. I have zero experience with moose or black bear, or guided hunts up north for that matter. I have heard that a lot of guides would prefer you carried more rifle than a .270 though. I thought something with decent 200-300 yd performance that can anchor a moose or a grizzly on an "oh shit" less than ideal shot placement sounded like a good idea.
@@F14Goose37 The bullet face of the .35 cals is what makes the difference. It's in that sweet spot between 30 cal and 40 cal rounds. It's kinda the best of both worlds type round. The larger bullet face gives it tons of shock effect but it being below 40 cal also gives it a better penetration value. The energy dump at target is devastaing.
@@F14Goose37 I think it's a great option, especially in the Remington 7600. It has a lot of energy and the pump offers much faster follow up shots than a bolt action.
Finally, been waiting for this- 338-06 next please!
@buszero1 I think you're my doppelganger. Sound exactly like me😅
Yes 338-06 falls short of 338 win mag by very little in my Hornaday manual. An Elmer Keith original. The 35 Whelen is still a great cartridge as is anything based on the 3006
The only reason I don't have a 338-06 is because it is still a wildcat.
@@russellkeeling9712 Pretty sure 338-06 was legitimized by A-Square and approved by SAAMI in the late 90s. Weatherby even made factory rifles in the caliber for a while. So it technically not a wildcat
@@urmominabox87it may as well be, you can’t find any factory ammo anywhere.
I think adding the 8mm Mauser to the comparison between the 35 Whelen and 30-06 would have been interesting.
That would be a 9.3x 62 . Almost identical to the 35 Whelen. You might want to look at the 338- 06 now a standard round too. All very interesting and very comparable. What fun I have just reading about and comparing loading data out of various reloading manuals. At age 72 it about my limit nowadays after 60 years in the hunting fields. Have fun, be safe.
What is generally unknown is that the .35 Whelan is probably the most efficient cartridge ever developed as far as energy produced per grain of powder weight.
That’s an excellent point. If you were living on moose or elk in the 30’s, 70’s, or the 2023 inflation crisis; a guy could afford a little practice.
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338/06 be
338/06 beats the the 35 whelen in all aspects.
@@ssfd739 after the massive increase of inflation over the past 2 years, worst debt and deficits started in 2017, Never in my wildest dreams could I of dreamed the damn democrats would be our nations saviors lol man the world's gone upsidedown at this point.
But you're right, nothing quite like our 35 whelen lever action. Hopefully we will start seeing more new available options, both the ammo and rifles
@@johnserrano9689 We have no saviors in politics. The 1.75 trillion dollar infrastructure bill they want to pass, for this year alone, is 8 years worth of gdp. That is, all the money American citizens and businesses earns for the next 8 years, and that would be without interest. 8 years, for 1 year of "infrastructure" (which is loaded with taxes like a national mileage tax)...They are intentionally bankrupting us.
I'm from Melbourne Australia and the 35 Whelan is very popular for hound hunting on sambar deer. I own a Remington 7600 carbine in 35 Whelan and it is about perfect for this type of hunting. I also own a 9.3x62 and for stalking sambar this too in my humble opinion is about perfect also. The majority of shots are inside of 100 yards so 200 yards is a long way. The next size animal up from sambar is Elk. I also own a Sako 375 H+H and a Winchester Model 70 in 458 Win Mag. They all have their place but for hunting here down under the 35 Whelan can cover (with the right projectile) anything here from pigs to water buff. Thanks for sharing!
Ron... I love your videos ❤️
The 35's are my favorite caliber!
Thanks for sharing this brother 🙂
Glad you like them! Thanks.
35 Remington is my boy.....so a 35 that goes farther I know I would love.
I’ve used the 35 whelen on deer and it is an absolute hammer. Using a federal bonded 225 grain “bear claws” nothing I ever connected with even took an extra step but it also destroyed any meat in about a 6”-8” radius to the entrance wound. My plan is to use it for big black bear when hunting them from the ground because I’m my mind, stopping power like that gives me peace of mind.
Thank you for having down to earth, friendly, truthful, informative talks. More people ruin things with their unfriendlyness, BS, and attitude.
Thanks fed up. I try to keep it real and treat others with respect.
Amen Ron keep up the great work, we appreciate it a lot.
I have a Ruger M77 in 35 Whelen that I purchased on a lark and it quickly became my favorite rifle. Love the caliber. Your excellent video did it justice. Thank you.
Thank you William.
Thank you for your demonstration of proper bolt gun manipulation (@16:58). So tired of seeing 'expert' riflemen trying to work the bolt with their fingertips when the lift should be with a strong smack of the palm which then rolls around to pull the bolt to the rear smartly, then reverses (still with palm) to push it back home and locked. Very nice!
Thanks for pointing this out. Fingertip bolt manipulation always makes me cringe.
Some people have strong hands
Thank you, Ron! I hope everyone gives it a thumbs up!
Great video! I hope you make another comparing it to the 9.3 X 62. Please do the stats for the 225 grain hot loads from Buffalo Bore or similar for the 35 Whelen and compare it to the 286 grain 9.3.
Working on it!
And add the 9,3x64
Or 9.3/57Mauser
@@CU65LATER that is better suited to compare with the 358 Winchester and the new 350 Legend.
@@fabulousoffroaddesigns5080 Yes true ..Just saying...
Colonel Townsend Whelen... Thank you for a fantastic cartridge. I have one and absolutely love it. It's a beast of a cartridge and it's my black bear cartridge.
35 Whelen took off in Mississippi when Fish and Game had caliber requirements for the primative deer season. Now there's a boat load of single shot 35 Whelens out here. Good cartridge. Thanks for the review.
The belt on the 375 H&H has no affect on feeding in my experience. In fact I say the 375 H&H is one of the smoothest feeding cartridges and that is one of the reasons it remains so popular for DG in Africa. It’s gentle taper allows that round to feed smoothly and reliably in hot, dusty, humid conditions when staring down Black Death.
Amen
I'd say it has more to do with taking up magazine space as opposed to feeding, i.e. that could be case diameter as opposed to a useless belt that very few cartridges use. Does that mean the venerable 375 is no good? He'll no, but the belt is definitely not needed.
@@frankgulla8782 but the belt IS needed for headspacing on rounds that have very minimal shoulders.
Paul Deahl yup, the shape of the front end is more important for smooth feeding than the shape of the rear end.
@@luvtahandload7692 the 400 whelen had a lot less shoulder and didn't have a belt, a lot of rounds that have belts most handloaders will head space them off the shoulder.
I have hunted with all the above mostly Alaska. I have come down to the 33806 Ackley improved. Recoil is nice, shoots flat , and it flattens most everything. 👍👍😀
Must love the 30-06 😍 Never needed a 375H&H 🤷♂️
had a buddy of mine that loaded all kinds of 35 Whelen loads using projectiles normally used for .380 acp 9mm 38 special 357 mag he really played around with the caliber and is still playing around with it.
A really good round but you just showed why the 30-06 is so versatile
The fact that the 30-06 is extremely versatile does not mean that other cartridges can't be versatile, too. As many users of the 375 H&H Mag. have pointed out, it's their "better" versatile cartridge where dangerous game roams while the 30-06 is more versatile across most of North America except, perhaps, where big grizzlies roam.
@@RonSpomerOutdoors do you think that the 30.06 is insufficient for grizzlies?
@@actionjksn just gotta hit them right in kisser. Probably with a harder bullet as well thatll smash through bone. Id imagine a basic soft point used for black bear wouldnt be as good unless you smoke it right in the face.
It’s hard to believe after the last 100yrs arm wrestling over cartridge and case design, but man has stretched many a griz by dumping powder down a muzzle and jamming a glorified fishing sinker on top of it. The history of these old cartridges and gear is so fascinating. It helps me appreciate the irony in us thinking we are so tough, in our $100 long johns, with a GPS in one hand and a .338 Bazooka in the other. The human race is known for brains over braun and the timeline of the North American hunter is no exception.
@@ssfd739 all ya need is a 3006,
The last year or so the quality of your videos are absolutely skyrocketing. Im a huge fan. Cant wait for the 6.5swede video ;)
Thanks Raging. I don't really know what I'm doing, but I get by with a little help from my friends.
Another GREAT episode, Ron! I'll be waiting on the episode on the .358 Winchester, another cartridge that is very under-appreciated.
This was an excellent, and informative video. However, I would truly like to see you cover the 338 Federal, and the 338-06 A Square.
Nice coverage on a cartridge I've been thinking about for years. Thanks Ron!
Great video! Thanks so much for this one. I have owned (and still own) several 35 Whelen's. It is an excellent round and deserves to be much more popular. There's nothing on this continent anywhere that can't be handled properly with it and appropriate factory ammo or better yet- handloads. Mine would be one of the last I'd ever part with if I had to give up most my guns. I have owned several 375's and 30-06's as well (still own a 30-06). With today's high tech bullets and the Nosler partition in spitzer form, SD doesn't matter near as much as it used to with traditional cup and core bullets. The 35 with 225's at 2700 (or a bit more) is right in there with the 338 Win mag and has a lot less recoil and comes in lighter rifles. One thing charts never consider is frontal area and the 35 is a lot closer to the 375 than it is to the 30-06 in that regard. I am convinced frontal area matters and makes a difference in killing effect. Can you tell I love my 35 W? LOL
Ron you know what you talking about. We are South Africans. We understand. Thank you
Great video, Ron. Would love to see a head to head comparison of the 35 Whelen and the .338 / 06. The .338 has a higher sectional density in comparable bullet weights.
In Europe we hunt a lot with 9,3 X 62.. I’ll like to see a competitive whit tha 35W
It’s actually very similar, but the 9.3 can handle heavier bullets, and Whelen can be a bit faster.
I had never even heard of a .35 Whelen until yesterday. A new friend of mine asked me if I wanted to go with him to the gun club to sight in his friends hunting rifle, so I said sure! Turns out it was a .35 Whelen. I shot it a few times, not bad.
Great review.
As many have already said, the 35whelen is an incredible round. I have two that I have used for over 25 yrs and taken deer, elk and bear.
One quality of the round I appreciate about the round is the way it performs on game. Yes, is makes a nice hole and put game on their back in a hurry. But in doing so, the bullet doesn't create near the carnage to the surrounding meat at the point of impact.
The higher velocity magnums work great but sure do damage alot of good meat.
I have a love for and own other 35 calibers as well ( 35 rem, .348 win, and .358 win) and used in their proper place they all preform exceptionally well.
I’d also love to see a video discussing the 7.5X55 Swiss cartridge!
I'd like to see a video on how these cartridges compare to the 9.3 x 62 mauser.
Very similar actually. Just look at any loading manual.
@@falba1492 When hand loaded they are no different , but factory loads is a big difference
@@huckstirred7112 - I haven’t bought factory ammo for rifles in years, so I’m bias in always looking at hand loads. Besides, if you’re shooting a 35 Whelen, I’d bet you’re reloading. Not much of that on the shelves.
@@falba1492 I can't find anything I want on the shelves . If I didn't hand load I couldn't shoot
I really appreciate the calm demeanor and the history. This isnt the normal for firearm youtubers.
This is exactly the way I want to spend my time off.
I know it wasn't a option but the .338 win mag gets my vote
I second that.
If you look at the data, you can get similar velocity with up to 20% less powder, but you can always get faster loads with the 338. It’s an interesting trade off.
MINE TOO, I USE IT ON EVERY THING IN ALBERTA
Was looking for an Elk brush gun and asked you do do this video (THANKS!!!) on the 35 Whelen. I ended up buying a CVA scout break action, heavy barrel and it kicks considerably more then a .30-06. I had to break it so I could handle it. But now I know more of what this cartridge can do. I just wanted a 200 yard gun and seems I found a perfect fit. Thanks again!! I also have a 1903A3 action I'm going to build into a 35 Whelen.
Col. Townsend Whelen was also involved with the development of the 22 Hornet cartridge.
I have a 7mm Rem Mag, same parent case as the .375 H&H Mag and I have never had a problem chambering rounds. Smooth as butter.
The one rifle I had the money in hand with the intent to purchase a rifle that day but I passed over and regret doing so was a 7600 in .35W that had Canadian Maple furniture on it.
Man I wish I had bought that rifle. She was nice.
Thanks again for making this video on the .35 Whelen... I really don’t think that it has had nearly enough exposure.. and I I really feel that if more people knew about... more people would own a rifle chambered in it.
What a sweet coincidence that I was just listening to the Vortex Nation Podcast talking about the .35 Whelen a couple days ago and then you drop this to keep me thinking about that awesome “just right” cartridge.
A buddy of mine has one and loves it. I have looked for one a couple times when I am at a gun store. I have seen it in the Ruger No 1, but that is too pricey. I know that Remington had it in a bolt action and a pump. If I were to get it, I most likely would get it in the CVA Hunter or Scout single shot rifles for about $350.
Ruger also chambered it in their model 77 , Remington in their 7600. Reason they are hard to find is like Ron said. However, the hunters that have them usually hang onto them.
35 Whelen and 338-06 are pretty interesting. There are a lot of .358 cal bullets to choose from for the Whelen though. I think Midway had about 50.
Nope they do not. I look all the time and there are not so many bullets out there. Right now there are really none I know of. I don't shoot pistol bullets from mine so I don't count those.
Thanks Ron, very nice video. I South Africa we don't know the Whelen, but the 9.3×62(30-06 case) is very popular in bush and savannah terrain with a 286gr bullet. Mild recoil for the cal. and much more economical than 375 ammo. Readily available.
It must be almost the same thing as 35 Whelen!
The Whelens’ appeal for me was the retained kinetic energy at extended ranges.
Thank you Ron, excellent, understandable information provided as always! BTW: I just bought my first 35 Whelen. A five year hunt for one and now its mine! Love it!
35 Whelen is a Dream. Hits like a ton of bricks. Like the 30-06 and to be honest surpasses the Aught 6 in versatility. From light pistol varmint loads to being famed by Hemingway I believe as being one of the best for the Fatal Big Cats of Africa, moose, Grizzly, and elk all have felt the power... it really is a beast. With Modern powders, great new bullet technology this round is a very reliable at 400yards. I can't say enough about it.
That .358 Winchester is now an option for the AR308 platform now which is very cool
Another great video, thanks Ron.
It is great caliber, closer to the older 9,3x62 than to the 3006 I believe. 9,3 x62 is way more popular here in Europe but the 35 Whelen did had it's momentum back in the 80´s and early 90´s when Remington introduced it into the European markets. Most popular rifle loading it was the Remington 7400 semi auto but many bolt actions, like Heym SR21 were sold too. I do have one of Heym´s Stuzen shooting very well during our wild boar Monteria type of hunts.
If you haven’t found it necessary to try it, I sure as heck don’t need to try it. .22, 30.06, .375 H&H, .458 Lott, and my reloading equipment, and for my needs, I’m good! Informative vid. Thanks!!!
I've killed 9 elk with my 35. 225grain Barnes , it literally puts things to sleep on impact
My elk count with the Whelen is about the same. I have opted for the 200 gr Barnes ttsx.... And yes, it's lights out. I have made some bad shots too.... Lights out anyway.
The image of Ron Spomer "Dual Wielding" hunting rifles was something that I'm glad I got to see hahahaha I will say, I inherited my father's only custom rifle which is chambered in 35 Whelen. It is an Argentinian Mauser action fully built to fire what he called America's dangerous game cartridge. The rifle is an EXCELLENT shooter and will absolutely floor a bull Roosevelt elk (which I've witnessed many times).
I own a 350 Remington magnum, not that it makes a difference but l think it is 100 feet per second faster than the 35, l had a elk hunting buddy in the late 80's that had a custom 35 Whelan that he bragged on and had built just because he wanted to compeat with me lol, funny how us gun fanatics like to argue about caliber choice.
Well, your buddy's rifle held 2 more rounds in the magazine.
@@thehoneybadger8089 The 350 Rem mag (I own 2) is faster with lighter bullets. With 250 grain bullets loaded deep you run out of capacity and get the same ballistics as the Whelen. Now if he had got a 9.3x62 he'd have been able to razz you a bit.
350 rem mag is a great cartridge I live in Alaska and have killed everything in the state with it I shoot 250 tax bullets at 2800fps big power short action good choice sir
@@pauljensen7007 🤣Exactly how long did it take you to kill everything in the State of Alaska?😂 Does the US Fish and Wildlife Service have you on their "Most Wanted" list?😉🙃🌵
@@thehoneybadger8089 well not everything everything.
bears both kinds and moose
Excellent!
Great information brother! I bought a CVA single shot stainless in 35 Whelen a few months ago and was finally able to purchase 3 boxes of 200 grain Hornady Superformance a few days ago. I cannot wait to shoot it and whitetail deer hunt with it here in MO this Fall. Thanks again for the best video I've found on the cartridge.
I bought the same CVA .35 two years ago. I killed a buck last year that maybe made it 20 yards. I killed another this year and it dropped in its tracks at 100 yards. I was impressed to say the least. I used Remington 200 grain Cor loks.
Thats all I could find at the time, but I have shot them for 30 years in my 06' and they have been great. Looks like they are gonna be fine in the Whelen too.
35 Whelen is pretty much an American 9.3x62mm
@Lonny E Honestly for the same reason .35 Whelen hasn't as a whole. There's no need for the cartridge for majority of game in the United States. .308, .30-06, .270, and .243 Winchester pretty well tackle just about everything in the hunting department within the US.
I've been happy with mine.
Col. Whelen was away on a hunt when Howe developed the 35 Whelen. I remember reading about it in one of Whelen's books.
Thanks for that additional history, Badger.
Ron,
Have you done an episodes on obscure cartridges? Besides the 35 Whelen, the 8MM Remington Mag comes to mind. One of my uncle’s has one and all I can say is damn impressive.
Thanks for showing this I have 2 35 Whelen's I love m I generally shoot 220 grain bullets and I would say the recoil is like a 30 06 now when I shot 250 grain bullets a lot more recoil and I knocked my scope back you can also load m up a little hotter than the old manuals say for the 220 grain bullet I push it to about 2800fps and that packs a pretty good wallop.
I really enjoy these videos, i would be interested to see a video on the 338 Win mag.
Great video as always. I was very happy to hear you will be doing a video on the 358 winchester and I am still waiting for a 358 win vs 35 whelen video. I just really love these two calibers. Thank you Ron for all you do
You are welcome, Mccray
.358 Win vs .35 Whelen with equal barrel length and bullet weight would make an interesting comparison.
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Ron your videos are the best! Cheers!
Like comparing a 308 to say a 3006 ?
Thanks Dig It. Will try to get around to that some day.
If you cast lead bullets, the available bullet molds for 35 Whelen are more than many might realize. Many molds were made for the 35 Whelen but also 35 Winchester, 35 Newton, and 35 Remington as well. Not to mention older obsolete calibers as 35 or '38' caliber. Then the excellent new molds available from Saeco and NOE for instance. From any of the 180-245gr cast for 35 Remington will deliver, but then the old school Lyman 358318 mold (245gr) and Lyman 358009 (296gr) or NOE 360-313 Thumper with Hollow point, cup point or flat nose pins often dropping at 315-320gr, you have real versatility. The often generous freebore means you can often load the longest 358 bullets, I've yet to find a 358 rifle bullet it wont load up and shoot. PCing the bullets can easily gain some diameter if needed for an older gun, and sizing dies take it down if needed. A .359-360 sized cast PC'd for my 1952 Remington 760 35 Whelen is more accurate than any jacketed bullets I've tested....a tip - these guns can be easily had with an old 30-06 with a shot out bore - rebore it to 358 and you have a new 35 Whelen in an old gun haha
Thanks again Ron for a great comparison of some old tried and true cartridges. Really love your content and although I’ve been a contrarian at times I hope you don’t hold it against me. I suppose one reason I like your content is that we’re from the same era and you cover a lot of the old cartridges that aren’t talked about much anymore more, like 35 whelen or 257 roberts, 7x57 mauser and the list goes on. Just think the 7MM rem mag. And the 300 WM are slowly crossing over into the “Old Stuff” category, yikes! When I hand my grandson my 7MM rem. mag, he’ll probably wonder why I ever used such a thing.😮
A more favorable comparison would be the 300winmag, 300weatherbymag, and the 338winmag.
You forgot the 7mm mag.
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Ron I would like to thank you. I was down to 2 calibers for my next hunting rifle. I've been watching you and I'm up to 37 now!
Just here to make your life easier!
Woohoo a new Spomer video my Saturday has been made love these cartridge videos
Glad you like them!
I’d like to see a comparison of the .35 Whelen and the .350 Remington Magnum. I’ll pit my .350 with a 225 grain pill against anything on the North American continent.
I haven't seen much about this round. Way back when, the U.S. Forest Service did a study on the best guns for defense against the big bears. The rifle category gave two choices: the .375 H & H and the .30-06. Like you stated, the .35 Whelen fits right between those two. So, long story short, if I were in big bear country, the .35 Whelen out of a Shuff's Mini-G (a Garand conversion with a 16" barrel [and offered in .35 Whelen] not to be confused with a "tanker" conversion) would be my choice all day long. Great review on this classic cartridge.
The P1917 action shouldn't be forgotten either, very strong.
A few guys were using the 35 Whelen in Northern Maine back in the 80 and 90s
Yup... That's where I started hunting bear and using my Whelen.
I love this channel's 'caliber debates'!
Sweet Mother of Energy Ron! I've never really know about the 35W! Running some numbers through QuickLoad you can hit 4,000+ FPE with a 225gr Nosler Partition in a 25" barrel! 293yd MPBR 1,500 FPE out to 580yd. And I just so happen to have a few thousand 30-06 brass laying around.. CVA Scout for $295 locally so tempting. Thanks for the awesome content as always!
I started looking at the 35 Whelen numbers last year. They are phenomenal, especially when you compare it to a 338 Win Mag. A lot less powder, and a lot less recoil. Although the 338 will get you there faster. From the data, not from practical experience, a 200 grain projectile is faster out of the 35 Whelan then out of a 30-‘06. Maybe this has to do with the bearing surface of the project though.
Great stuff. Thank you. Appreciate the comparison.
If someone would produce an affordable bolt gun in the Whelen today, I'd snatch one up right away. Passed on a custom Savage 10 a few years ago and have regretted it ever since...
They could easily produce one. There's just not as big of a market for one compared to other cartridges. If anybody was to do it I'd expect it to be Savage with how easy it is to swap a barrel on one.
Ruger M77's and Remington 700 CDL's were a couple great ones. Grices gun shop may do a special run from those manufacturers from time to time. I bought my 700 CDLSF from them.
Hi Ron
Great video Mate Whalen sounds like an interesting Guy , thanks for your time, Steve from Australia .
Wow, all these famous names and they were all basically mates back in the day. What an awesome piece of history, thanks for sharing with us Ron!
Glad you enjoyed it
would like to see a comparison between the 375 H&H and the 375 ruger
Have always wanted a 35 Whelen. Thanks Ron.
Right on
Ron, I just watched your video and while it was great, I found one thing that is always wrong in gun conversations, articles and videos. That is that it takes a special "TRUE MAGNUM" action to accommodate the .375 H&H cartridge. I shoot the.458 Win mag, .375 H&H, the 35 Whelen , 8mm Rem Mag, and the 8mm-06 etc. all using the Remington 700 model actions except for the .375 which is a CZ. All of these calibers will fit into the Remington 700 long action (Remington only makes two action lengths.) I just went out to my shop and loaded three .375 into the magazine box of an 8mm-06 I'm developing a load for and the bolt will pick the .375 up and begin to chamber them. NOTE the firing pin assembly has been removed from the bolt. I don't just own these for S's and G's, I spent 5 weeks in Africa from the end of June to the beginning of august with my PH using the .458 for Hippo, Cape buffalo, and a Leopard and the .375 on many plains game so I know some of what I speak.
I purchased many older rem 700's last year (2021) on line and my wife drew the line when I was going after a Remington Custom shop 700 in .375. Ron, again, I'm not being picky here, I'm just trying to provide additional info.
I am a retired teacher living in Thailand & armed with rocks . I took a 8x57 that was loose bore but still shot good I shot some lead bullets impregnated with valve grinding compound . I got it opened up to 338 .
I like the 35 Whelen but never found the need for it.
The 30-06 has always done it for me using 180 or 220 grain bullets depending on what is being hunted.
35 Whelen Sambar Deer Hunter from Down under over here! Gidday Spomer!
G'day mate!
Yes that 375 is a very gentle push, kind of reminds you of a feather pillow pressing up against you.
LOL LOL LOL
I have a Rem 700 in 35 whelen with a 16 inch barrel and a muzzle brake. It makes a perfect brush gun.
I have the 35 Whelen's "younger brother", the 358 Winchester, which unfortunately is also an unpopular and under rated cartridge. My 358 is in a Browning BLR with a 20 inch barrel. The high expansion ratio makes it possible to get near maximum performance with a shorter barrel in a handier rifle.
Realy enjoyed the history here. I am 84 and remember Jack O'Conner and Col Whelen.
.35 caliber cartridges really are in a no man‘s land between the .338s and .375s...
Especially since there aren’t any really good quality rifles made in the cartridge.
I got into the internet thing rather late into it's evolution because earlier forays were not good at what I was looking for... providing data and answers. It's only been in the last 5+ years that I found that that had changed and changed dramatically. Instead of hours doing research in university libraries, it's rare for me to not find articles in such esoteric areas as the foundations of mathematics and physics...at my fingertips!
That's where you come in. My second areas of interest are guns and ballistics. They have been for around 65+ years... and because of that I have (I feel), a pretty good grasp of things in those disciplines. It's not unusual for me to say, boy I wish that the provider had noted something that they just missed that was important. That's what I really enjoy about your channel... you rarely miss anything and your charts and graphics are, especially lately, outstanding! Lastly, your presence and presentation are also, excellent. Thank you for what you do!
Take care...
I got a 35 Whelen and I really like it. Shoots a 250 gr pill nicely and is my bear medicine.
The 35 Whelen is a cool cartridge, for sure. It's a shame that it's not very common in production rifles.
Ron, tell your readers about the 256 Newton. In the past few years, we've been bombarded with all the new 6.5's and 256 Newton never gets any sunlight... For a 1912 30-06 conversion, it's a great old-school round that sadly fell through the cracks.
338-06 has much better bullet selection with higher coefficient.
I'm more of a 9.3x62 guy.
Hi Ron
My Dad used the .25 Whelan he only shot 1 animal and it being a white tale here in Wisconsin but it dropped in its tracks i hade found the gun in a hardware store in a little town in Northern Wisconsin and it didn't take much convincing for him to by it . My dad past away in 2018 and I have the gun now I can't remember the model but its a Remington pump action i will never get rid of it and will pass it down to my boys some day .
Mr. Spomer. I'm an avid viewer of your podasts and appeciate the personal detail you put into each of your sessions. The episode.on the 35 Whelen was an abolute tribute to the cartridge. After researching the 30-06 brethren, I came across the 338-06 which I think goes above and beyond what the 35 Whelen can offer. I would really like to see a session on this cartrride as I think t is another great 30-06 offspring that doesnt get the credit it deserves. Thank you. Clyde Bedynek
Love my Whelen. I shoot Barnes Vor-tx with 180gr Tipped Triple Shock bullets. The gun is a CVA Apex which is a single shot break action rifle. It is considered a primitive weapon in my state believe it or not. I tried 225 -250 grain bullets, but I didn't care for them. I don't nearly get blown off target after the shot with the 180's like I did with the heavier bullets, and my gun loves them. It is sub moa at 100 yds. Meat loss with the 35 Whelen doesn't seem to be as bad as with my .280 Remington. I hope to get a bolt action in .35 Whelen one day.
Out of a 25 inch barrel a worked up to full house maximum charge of Alliant Power Pro 2000-MR, a 250 grain bullet is leaving the barrel @ 2700 fps from the 35 Whelen.
Considering that a typical 270 grain bullet from a 375 H & H is doing just about 2800fps. That closes the gap even more.
I use and admire all three cartridges, but I love my .35 Whelen's, even have a custom Winchester Model 95 in .35 Whelen, love it! Nice job Ron.
Thanks Larry. That custom M95 sounds ideal!